Mailman 3 November 2002 - SpamBayes

Re: [Spambayes-checkins] spambayes INTEGRATION.txt,NONE,1.1
by Guido van Rossum Nov. 1, 2002

Nov. 1, 2002

[Skip checked in:] > first scribbled notes about integrating Spambayes with different email > packages. Hm, maybe the spambayes website could be brought a bit more up to date too? --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)

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Fwd: [Spambayes-checkins] spambayes timtest.py,1.29,1.30
by Anthony Baxter Nov. 1, 2002

Nov. 1, 2002

Note for anyone with their own test harnesses that aren't checked into the CVS. I've updated timtest and timcv (the only users of the spam/ham keep options that I could find) but if you use your own, you'll need to make a change. Anthony

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Re: RE: [Spambayes] Email client integration -- what's needed?
by Tim＠mail.powweb.com Nov. 1, 2002

Nov. 1, 2002

Well you're talkin to a Notes user with a HUGE spam problem... hundreds per day. And to make it worse, corporate users often cannot simply change their address to shut off the flow. You may be right about the corporate versus personal user. This research really doesn't specify which market they're talking about. I suspect that the lion's share of personal use is through hotmail, yahoo mail, and other web based mailers, or AOL, earthlink, or other specialized clients, which are beasts of a different nature... can we enable these? So what are we saying here? I think i'm getting (giving) mixed messages about what/who we should be targeting. Outlook is expensive, thus mostly corporations use it. There is a lot of research that suggests that corporations have a huge spam problem. Non-web-based personal use may not be the most productive area to enable, but it certainly is a visible segment, and when people at home can deal with spam effectively, they'll take that story to work.... So I propose we enable Outlook, Mozilla (for our OS brethren, which will likely get Netscape, too), have a pop3proxy that can be run locally and easily configured to be used by a number of "noise" mailers, and go from there... - Tim 10/31/2002 8:52:30 PM, "Mark Hammond" <mhammond(a)skippinet.com.au> wrote: >> The latest figures that I can find from Microsoft are that >> Outlook has 57% market share, Notes has 29%, Browser based email >> is 9%, and the rest is split >> between cc:Mail, GroupWise, Outlook Express, the Exchange client, >> and 2% of "Other." So Outlook is certainly the low hanging fruit >> here, but Notes is a big >> client as well. > >This is really for "internet mail", whereas I bet that the figures above are >"corporate" users. Most corporate users I have spoken to simply dont have a >large spam problem - their work address is rarely publically posted to the >Web, and the corporate internet mail gateway tends to have some rudimentary >spam filtering anyway. > >Basically, I would be surprised to find many Lotus Notes users with a spam >problem. > >> The Notes market will be a bit more difficult to >> reach, because as a product it is even more closed than >> Outlook... (imagine that...) > >I find that a strange comment given the integration already achieved with >Outlook. From an extensibility point-of-view, Outlook is almost as open as >I can imagine. > >Mark. > > >_______________________________________________ >Spambayes mailing list >Spambayes(a)python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > > > > - Tim www.fourstonesExpressions.com

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non-ascii mail in hammiecli
by Toby Dickenson Nov. 1, 2002

Nov. 1, 2002

hammiecli is giving its input an xmlrpc binary wrapper, to avoid marshalling problems with non-ascii input. However hammiesrv wasnt doing the same for its output. diff attached

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Re: RE: [Spambayes] Terminology in user documentation: "spam" vs. "junkmail"
by Tim＠mail.powweb.com Nov. 1, 2002

Nov. 1, 2002

You got it, Mark. Front ends are where this is really gonna happen, and your point is well taken. I filter 'FWD:' stuff, even if it's from someone I know, because it is invariably unwanted. In my Spambayes database, FWD: will have a spam weight of as close to 1 as possible... Can I manually configure that weight? lol So we've got two examples of unwanted email that has not really been represented in the current training corpus: unwanted individual mails (e.g. "I love you, please take me back") and forwards of urban legends, thoughts of the day, funny stories I've heard, and the like. It'd be interesting to see how the stats fall out if we were to (somehow) incorporate this kind of email into the current corpus. Another thought is that my definition of unwanted may certainly differ from your definition, even as it pertains to spam. Perhaps you really want to see something from quickinspirations.com (as unbelievable as that might seem to me... ;) Thus, the only really good terminology here is something like 'unwanted email'. - Tim 10/31/2002 7:25:14 PM, "Mark Hammond" <mhammond(a)skippinet.com.au> wrote: >> The reality is that the average person that will use this >> technology doesn't make a distinction between what we call spam >> and mail from their ex-boyfriend. >> It's all unwanted crap and they want to filter it. > >Agreed. Most people in my social circle who have heard of spam often think >it is a general term for "any mail with a large To list". I've received a >number of legit mails starting with eg. "Sorry for the spam, but I thought >this too funny not to send to all of you" (it wasn't <wink>). > >At the end of the day though, this is an issue for the front-ends rather >than the engine. The outlook addin tends to use "spam or unwanted email" >and "good email". "junk email" seems good too. It wouldn't surprise me to >find the word "spam" excised eventually. > >Front-end issues will probably drive small engine details though - nothing >beats real experience with a tool <wink> > >Mark. > > >_______________________________________________ >Spambayes mailing list >Spambayes(a)python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > > > > - Tim www.fourstonesExpressions.com

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Re: [Spambayes] Terminology in user documentation: "spam" vs. "junk mail"
by Tim＠mail.powweb.com Nov. 1, 2002

Nov. 1, 2002

Unwanted email is the best idea in your list. This technology is useful for filtering mail from any number of sources, not just spammers. How about mail from an ex-* who won't leave you alone... While perhaps other kinds of mail are not quite as predictable as general spam, they could be filtered nonetheless... The reality is that the average person that will use this technology doesn't make a distinction between what we call spam and mail from their ex-boyfriend. It's all unwanted crap and they want to filter it. - Tim Robin said: When we start writing user documentation, I propose using the term "junk mail" instead of "spam" and "non-junk mail" (or some other term) instead of "ham". I believe this will reduce confusion among non-techies who are encountering spam terminology for the first time. They'll have enough new ideas to learn trying to install and run a filter, let's not add jargon to what they have to learn. Other possibilities: "junk email" instead of "spam" "valid email" instead of "ham" "unwanted email" instead of "spam" "wanted email" instead of "ham" [Insert your clever idea here] Comments, anyone? -- Robin Munn <rmunn(a)pobox.com> http://www.rmunn.com/ PGP key ID: 0x6AFB6838 50FF 2478 CFFB 081A 8338 54F7 845D ACFD 6AFB 6838 10/31/2002 6:46:00 PM, Robin Munn <rmunn(a)pobox.com> wrote: - Tim www.fourstonesExpressions.com

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