Mailman 3 November 2003 - SpamBayes

RE: [OT] Spambays question
by Tony Meyer Nov. 28, 2003

Nov. 28, 2003

> This is a litle bit out of topic, but i suppose that a lot of > python users, use the spanbays spam filter. As well as the spambayes mailing list already mentioned, you might want to try the spambayes website <http://spambayes.org>, FAQ <http://spambayes.org/faq.html>, and wiki <http://entrian.com/sbwiki>. > I must admit it works great, after a month testing with it, > it made no errors and catch 100% of spam. The only (litle) > problem I see is that it puts all spam in a spam folder. I > think, that now i'm confident with it, it would be great if > you could simple delete automaticly the spam without putting > it in a spam folder. > > Perhaps somebody managed to do that ? FAQ 3.9 has your answer: <http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-can-i-configure-spambayes-to- delete-spam-rather-than-moving-it>. (This assumes you are using the Outlook plug-in - if not, then just alter whatever rule you created in your mail client). =Tony Meyer

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Spambayes for Outlook 2000 - Suggested Improvements
by Scott R M Geelan Nov. 28, 2003

Nov. 28, 2003

Hi all, GREAT PACKAGE! I've been using it for a few days now and it works a treat! >From my point of view, user utility could be enhanced by: 1. allowing selected mails in the Spambayes Junk E-Mail folder to be permanently deleted, direct from there, instead of going to Outlook's Deleted Items folder, and then having to permanently delete them from there. 2. Allowing Spambayes to "permanently delete" messages it detects as spam directly from the inbox, (similar to the Outlook Rules option) once the user has determined that his/her spam filter has been appropriately trained. Look forward to further enhancements to the package. Thank you Scott R Geelan (B.App.Sc) Chief Executive Officer AJ Parkes & Company Pty Ltd Ph: +61 7 3277 2111 Fax: +61 7 3277 9258 Email: sgeelan(a)ajparkes.com.au Website: www.ajparkes.com.au

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Re: [OT] Spambays question
by Gerrit Holl Nov. 27, 2003

Nov. 27, 2003

Rony wrote: > From: Rony <bucodi(a)ahoo.fr> > Subject: [OT] Spambays question > This is a litle bit out of topic, but i suppose that a lot of python > users, use the spanbays spam filter. I suppose you'd better ask this question at the Spambayes mailing list. It is at spambayes(a)python.org. > I must admit it works great, after a month testing with it, it made no > errors and catch 100% of spam. > The only (litle) problem I see is that it puts all spam in a spam > folder. I think, that now i'm confident with it, it would be great if > you could simple delete automaticly the spam without putting it in a > spam folder. > > Perhaps somebody managed to do that ? Are you using the Outlook plugin? Gerrit. -- 225. If he perform a serious operation on an ass or ox, and kill it, he shall pay the owner one-fourth of its value. -- 1780 BC, Hammurabi, Code of Law -- Asperger's Syndrome - a personal approach: http://people.nl.linux.org/~gerrit/english/

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Spam Bayes Thanks!
by Roy Morley Nov. 27, 2003

Nov. 27, 2003

I have downloaded your anti Spam software for Outlook (ME) & its fantastic its learnt what's crap very quickly & it all fires straight into the bin with no hassle whatsoever. Installation was a breeze! I've sent a donation, keep up the good work! I work for myself & my Spam problem has been getting worse month by month & have been wasting valuable time deleting it all only for it to re-appear with monotonous regularity..... Roy Morley Site & Event Logistics Ltd 57 Ealing Park Mansions South Ealing Road Ealing W5 4QH Phone 0208 566 3142 Fax 0208 579 7584 Mobile 07850 726735 www.eventlogistics.demon.co.uk

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Question about disk accesses.
by Todd Lawson Nov. 27, 2003

Nov. 27, 2003

Hi all, I have a question that is a bit deeper than anything I have seen on the regular spambayes list, but I'll give it a shot. I have been using SB for about 2 months now, and obviously it works great. However, lately when I retrieve message, my system drops to a crawl due to disk accesses. I loaded up filemon (a disk access monitor utility) and logged the activity when I go retrieve the latest messages from my mail server. In the span of the 5 seconds it took to process my mail, there were 8000 disk access of the form at the bottom of this email. so, my question is: Is this normal and my system is just slow on disk accesses, or is this due to the size of my DBs, or ??? Here is break down on my system, version, config, etc. Spambayes version 1.0a5. Windows 2k. PIII 700 IDE drives, 7.2k RPM, very large (100 gig+) using the "pop3proxy.py -b" directly from a command line DOS box. 6500 spam, 4500 ham in DBs. I stopped training, as I get almost 100% accurate results, and no false positives. Any help / advice would be appreciated. Thanks! Todd 1806 10:20:31 AM python.exe:2064 FSCTL_IS_VOLUME_MOUNTED I:\spam_backup_2 SUCCESS 1807 10:20:31 AM python.exe:2064 IRP_MJ_CREATE I:\spam_backup_2\pop3proxy-unknown-cache\ SUCCESS Options: Open Directory Access: All 1808 10:20:31 AM python.exe:2064 IRP_MJ_DIRECTORY_CONTROL I:\spam_backup_2\pop3proxy-unknown-cache\ SUCCESS FileBothDirectoryInformation: 1068530533 1809 10:20:31 AM python.exe:2064 IRP_MJ_CLEANUP I:\spam_backup_2\pop3proxy-unknown-cache\ SUCCESS 1810 10:20:31 AM python.exe:2064 IRP_MJ_CLOSE I:\spam_backup_2\pop3proxy-unknown-cache\ SUCCESS 1811 10:20:31 AM python.exe:2064 FSCTL_IS_VOLUME_MOUNTED I:\spam_backup_2 SUCCESS 1812 10:20:31 AM python.exe:2064 IRP_MJ_CREATE I:\spam_backup_2\pop3proxy-unknown-cache\ SUCCESS Options: Open Directory Access: All 1813 10:20:31 AM python.exe:2064 IRP_MJ_DIRECTORY_CONTROL I:\spam_backup_2\pop3proxy-unknown-cache\ SUCCESS FileBothDirectoryInformation: 1068830297-2 1814 10:20:31 AM python.exe:2064 IRP_MJ_CLEANUP I:\spam_backup_2\pop3proxy-unknown-cache\ SUCCESS 1815 10:20:31 AM python.exe:2064 IRP_MJ_CLOSE I:\spam_backup_2\pop3proxy-unknown-cache\ SUCCESS 1816 10:20:31 AM python.exe:2064 FSCTL_IS_VOLUME_MOUNTED I:\spam_backup_2 SUCCESS

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sorry
by Tiago Estill de Noronha Nov. 27, 2003

Nov. 27, 2003

someone has called my attetion to the fact that I commneted the ironical spam without removing it may bother some of you by repating it, I tought people who don't like spam would not take it serious, and thus repeating it wouldn't make any diference, but now I now some people think diferent so again, sorry ********************* Tiago Estill de Noronha TiagoTiago(a)Globo.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.537 / Virus Database: 332 - Release Date: 6/11/2003

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Problem in dragging messages to a folder
by Witkin, Lou Nov. 26, 2003

Nov. 26, 2003

Hi I am using the SpamBayes Outloook addin, binary version 0.81 with Outlook 2002 on a Compaq tablet PC with Windows XP Professional for Tablet PC. When I drag and drop messages from the Inbox into a folder, this works fine. However, if I first do a "find" operation so that I see a subset of the messages, if I then try to drag and drop a message into a folder, I get the error message "Can't move the items." I am able to work around the problem by right-clicking on the message, and then selecting the command "Move to Folder". I have read the trouble-shooting guide and other SpamBayes documentation and can't figure out what I am doing wrong. Thanks for any help that you can give me on this. Sincerely, Lou Witkin

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subject newlines
by hank＠marinar.com Nov. 26, 2003

Nov. 26, 2003

I've experienced with 1.0a6 when a subject exceeds 68 characters: sb_filter.py will automatically insert carriage returns to wrap the Subject: header (maybe more as well). I'm not sure if this is intentional or not, but failed to find documentation about it. I would prefer that if such header modification was done, it would only be performed by the MTA. I have yet to test with 1.0a7, but didn't notice this fixed in the changelog. Has anyone else experienced this? Thanks! |nank

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RE: [Spambayes] notate_subject
by Tony Meyer Nov. 26, 2003

Nov. 26, 2003

> What happened to hammie.py? It was deprecated a long while back. You can still access it if you want to, by using the hammie.py module (in the spambayes directory) as a script, or by using the hammiebulk.py module. The recommended method is to use sb_filter.py and sb_mboxtrain.py or sb_server.py with sb_upload.py (the former in your case, I would imagine). > Regardless, you're saying that there's an > open ticket which would fix my dilemma? Yes. > Iff true, this alone > would allow me to switch from SA to SB. Learning Python > seems like fun, maybe I'll idle the devel list and see if > there's anything I can do to help. Good plan :) The change isn't that difficult to make, but I can't see that I would be able to get to it before mid November (I'm going away for a while). One of the other developers might, though. Actually, although that is the correct long-term solution, you could add in subject modification to a local copy yourself without much trouble. I've only done a bare minimum of testing this, but it appears to work: """ *** hammie.py Mon Oct 20 19:51:31 2003 --- hammie2.py Mon Oct 20 19:47:20 2003 *************** *** 116,121 **** --- 116,125 ---- else: is_spam = False disp = options["Headers", "header_unsure_string"] + if disp in options["Headers", "notate_subject"]: + subj = msg["Subject"] + del msg["Subject"] + msg["Subject"] = "%s %s" % (disp, subj) if train: self.train(msg, is_spam, True) disp += ("; %."+str(options["Headers", "header_score_digits"])+"f") % Prob """ > I greatly appreciate your assistance, Tony. Have a great weekend. No worries, and thanks, I did :) =Tony Meyer

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Re: [Spambayes] Outlook Envelope Tray Icon
by Taed Wynnell Nov. 26, 2003

Nov. 26, 2003

> I created the following code to implement this in > the Outlook plugin and attached it to a menu item for testing. It was, > in fact, successful in removing the new mail envelope from the taskbar. > Now, the *really* tricky part is figuring out when to remove the icon. I don't know how they do it, but Cloudmark SpamNet (which is a voting-system filter -- email is treated as spam if other people who use SpamNet report it as spam) does a pretty good job of doing the right thing. Only maybe 1 in 200 times is it wrong. I would guess that whenever it starts to process a new email (or perhaps periodically), it first reads the current state of the icon (no idea how to do that), then processes the mail, and then clears it if necessary. For example, when a spam arrives in my inbox, I do see the icon come on, and then when SpamNet moves the spam out a few seconds later, it turns it off. Furthermore, when it's a non-spam, the icon remains on. I've never seen a case where it is OFF when it should be ON, but I have seen a bunch of cases (maybe 1 or 2 a week) where it is ON when it should be OFF. By the way, I've been using SpamBayes and SpamNet together for the last week, and have no false positives, no false negatives, and only a few unsures to deal with. For me, both product filter about 90% of the spam, but luckily, the missing 10% in each do not seem to overlap. The very tiny spam emails that contain only a URL SpamNet seems to miss, but SpamBayes gets them. The long spams frequently turn up as Unsure by SpamBayes, but SpamNet gets them fine. I do this by having SpamNet make the first pass, and then SpamBayes is set for a 10 second delay in background processing, so it gets to look at anything that SpamNet missed.

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