Mailman 3 July 2003 - SpamBayes

message.py msgInfoDB import side effects are trouble
by Brad Clements July 31, 2003

July 31, 2003

I'm integrating spambayes into a multi-user windows email client. Users most likely will not have write access to the 'current working directory' for the application. I don't need to use the persistent features of the message.Message class. However because message.msginfoDB is created when the message module is imported, there's no easy way for me to stop the creation of the unused spambayes.messageinfo.db file What's the best way to clean up this "side effect of importing"? passing in an explicit storage to messsage_from_string seems like one place to tackle this problem. But I have no idea how many apps just blithely create message.Message objects (or SBMessage objects) -- When I say multi-user, I mean that the 'current operating user' needs to change while the program is running. I can handle this by altering Options.options which seems to work, but the I can't get around the import side effect of msgInfoDB. -- Brad Clements, bkc(a)murkworks.com (315)268-1000 http://www.murkworks.com (315)268-9812 Fax http://www.wecanstopspam.org/ AOL-IM: BKClements

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new opt-out registry for spam
by Lori Butler July 31, 2003

July 31, 2003

This mail was sent in html format. Please open the attached file.

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training
by kevin＠martin.fl.us July 31, 2003

July 31, 2003

I have installed SpamBayes and set up the Spam and UnsureSpam folders for training. I am trying to train SpamBayes by selecting the appropriate folders by selecting Browse but none of the subfolders of my mailbox (at the topmost level) are displayed. I double click on the folder name, I click on the + sign, check the box for my mailbox and I get nothing. What can I do? Kevin

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Scanning public folders
by Coe, Bob July 31, 2003

July 31, 2003

ROBERT K. COE _____ Is SpamBayes supposed to work on Outlook public folders? You can specify a public folder on the list of folders to be scanned; but when we try to delete a message as spam from a public folder, SpamBayes tells us that no mail message was selected. It doesn't seem to matter whether the message has the envelope icon or the post-it note icon; it doesn't work in either case. Has anyone else reported this? Bob <mailto:rcoe@CambridgeMA.GOV> MIS Department, City <http://www.cambridgema.gov/> of Cambridge 831 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge MA 02139 · 617-349-4217 · fax 617-349-6165

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RE: [Spambayes] expected behaviour in Outlook2k
by Clyde L. Parliament July 31, 2003

July 31, 2003

Thanx for the quick reply. 1. it worked in v0.3 and earlier . . . . 2. I can understand it not having enough info to automatically delete it (move it to 'SPAM_UNSURE'?), but what I don't understand is why 'No mail items are selected' response after clicking on the 'Delete As Spam' button. P.S. I have saved several emails (in html)from a particular 'spamhaus' that have no response when clicking on 'Delete As Spam'; would these messages be of any interest for further research? TIA > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au] > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 7:28 PM > To: Clyde L. Parliament; 'Meyer, Tony'; spambayes(a)python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] expected behaviour in Outlook2k > > > > Tried the 0.6 version, and so far, the problem with the > > messages being marked as unread looks like it is solved. > > That is great to know - thanks. > > > However, a new problem that didn't exist previously is now > > showing up. One of the systems that Spambayes is running on > > runs OL (OL2002 SP1 on XP Pro SP1) as 'Administrator', and as > > such, receives a lot of undeliverable email. Some of he > > messages that this account receives has an icon (in the > > message list window for Inbox) that looks like a metered > > postage mark with a red arrow in the center; these are from > > 'spam-loops' (my mail servers bounces message to address in > > 'From:' due to bad 'To:' address; other server responds by > > bouncing message back because the orginal 'From:' address > was bad). > > This is a "feature" :) The problem is that suc reports do > not have the normal message payload, such a headers. This > can confuse the classifier. Eg, I hacked SpamBayes here, and > a "Show Clues" for such a report shows the following message stream: > > """ > X-Exchange-Message: true > Subject: Undeliverable: AnyAddressMatches(mvarCurrentUserAddresses, > mvarToAddresses) > To: 'user(a)domain.com' > """ > > This isn't enough information for SpamBayes to do anything > useful with. If this really bothers you, please open a > Feature Request at sourceforge, where we can discuss the > various options. > > Mark. >

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linux bayescustomize.ini location
by Steve Farmer July 31, 2003

July 31, 2003

Hi all, I have installed spambeyes on my Linux(RH7.3) server and I am wondering where the default location for the bayescustomize.ini is? Regards Steve -- ------------------------------------------------- Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. -Abraham Lincoln, U.S. president (1809-1865) Support free speech; visit http://www.efa.org.au/ Heads Together Software Pty Ltd http://www.hts.com.au Email: hts(a)hts.com.au Tel: 612 9982 6767 Fax: 612 9982 7122

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RE: [Spambayes] Whitelisting
by Nick Vincent July 31, 2003

July 31, 2003

Hi Sophie, > I use a couple of methods to solve this type of problem. > 1. I use the bat mail program which applies its filters in > the order that they are stored, so in your case i would > filter on 'word of the day" before I filter on the spambayes > header. the spambayas filter would never see the msg. I can see how your solution would be work, and I could do something similar with Outlook rules. I imagine that there are lots of platform specific ways to work around the issue, I just wanted to discuss an interesting boundary condition which may effect the useability of SpamBayes as a product. > The other system is to use one of the free e-mail suppliers > for that particular service, then filter only to accept mail > from from the one place. For instance this address only > accepts from from spambayas and one other mailing list. Makes > filtering a dream. Again, I can do this if I want, but I was looking at a solution that would leave the mail unfiltered in my inbox without having to make some kind of external workaround. Nick

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re white list
by Sophie July 31, 2003

July 31, 2003

Hi Nick, Thursday, July 31, 2003, 8:16:58 PM, you wrote: NV> I receive a number of mailings which contain a combination of what I term as NV> ham and spam in the same mail, e.g. an amount of ham content supported by a NV> lot of spam advertisement. I refer particularly dictionary.com's "word of NV> the day" mailing as this causes me the most trouble. I use a couple of methods to solve this type of problem. 1. I use the bat mail program which applies its filters in the order that they are stored, so in your case i would filter on 'word of the day" before I filter on the spambayes header. the spambayas filter would never see the msg. The other system is to use one of the free e-mail suppliers for that particular service, then filter only to accept mail from from the one place. For instance this address only accepts from from spambayas and one other mailing list. Makes filtering a dream. OOPS!! sorry Nick I just noticed that I answered to your mail add. not to the list so this is a re-send -- Regards, Sophie mailto:t_sophie@myrealbox.com

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Whitelisting
by Nick Vincent July 31, 2003

July 31, 2003

Hi, I've been using SpamBayes for a month or so now and have found it excellent, and already have a number of other people using it on recommendation. Thanks to the team for all their hard work, and particularly for their very active participation in the project. I've followed the debate about whitelisting, but would like to add my few pence. I agree in principal that whitelisting should occur naturally as a result of training, but in practice this is not working for me, and I suspect that others may see the same problem. I receive a number of mailings which contain a combination of what I term as ham and spam in the same mail, e.g. an amount of ham content supported by a lot of spam advertisement. I refer particularly dictionary.com's "word of the day" mailing as this causes me the most trouble. Training this as ham (for a month) seems not to be working as it is still getting classified at appx 48% unsure every day. Training on these messages, which I know to contain many spam words as well as a small slice of ham I will effectively be reducing the efficacy of the filter by ruling out good spam clues. For this reason I would propose an "advanced user" whitelist (not available by default perhaps? just in a text file?) which would allow me to completely ignore mails which I know contain conflicting ham/spam data. Nick

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RE: [Spambayes] problems with 1.0 alpha 4 outlook addin
by Nordstrom, Paul July 31, 2003

July 31, 2003

>> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au] >> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 5:55 PM >> To: Nordstrom, Paul; spambayes(a)python.org >> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] problems with 1.0 alpha 4 outlook addin >> >> >> > when I switch from one profile to the other, the folder >> > settings get lost ... both filterable folders and target >> > folders. This happens even if all the message stores >> > involved are visible in both profiles. It is as if they had >> > never been set. The keyword association data seems to >> > survive the transitions. >> >> This is by design. You must configure each profile >> seperately, but the training information is shared. It >> seems that even if I wanted to share folder settings between >> profiles I would have a hard time - the IDs used for these >> folders appear to change across profiles. >> perhaps I wasn't clear ... any time I come back to a profile (after having switched to the other one) ALL its configuration is gone (except for the training info) and must be reentered. I wasn't expecting them to share configuration, I just tried that as a workaround. >> But assuming there are no technical problems, I'm not >> convinced we should share any configuration. For users that >> share only a few information stores (or indeed none at all) >> between profiles, this may appear strange, and could have >> confusing semantics - eg, if 2 out of 3 profiles share an >> information store, should changing the spam folders in one >> of these 2 profiles change the other one? >> I certainly agree with this. >> If there are any issues other than the fact that each >> profile needs to be configured seperately, then please open >> a bug, being as specific as you can. If what you want is a >> feature request, please open one of them instead (as I find >> it easier to ignore them <wink>) >> >> > Donation complete ... (now if you only accepted Amazon Honor >> > system donations :-) >> > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/542032/qid%3D105 >> 8919474/sr%3D1-1 >> >> Excellent - thanks! It would be nice if somehow the PSA >> could track how much was given by SpamBayes users. I think >> that once the mail SpamBayes dev crew agrees, we should add >> a few PayPal donate buttons on a few of the pages. >> >> Mark. >>

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