Mailman 3 November 2004 - SpamBayes

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Nov. 27, 2004

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RE: [Spambayes] Msg for Tony about earlier problems.
by Tony Meyer Nov. 26, 2004

Nov. 26, 2004

[Description of doing a clean install] > Hey presto: all is now working fine. :) > So far it's been running for just over a week and the only > real issue I have isn't with SB itself it's with configuring > the AV not to touch the SB cache, where there are [as one might > expect] a lot of infected items which never make it into our > mail system thanks to pre-processing of SB headers. This is similar to the problem that some people have where their anti-virus software finds viruses in the cache directories. I can't think of any way to work around this, though, other than manually telling the AV software that it's not a problem (as you describe). > I /think/ that's cracked the problem. Many thanks for your > patience and the time spent on debugging. No worries - let me know if there are any more problems. Thanks for your help in figuring out how the service should operate - I'll commit the updated script at some point so it'll behave much better in 1.1. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes(a)python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this.

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RE: [Spambayes] Please do a plug-in version for Outlook Express as well!
by Tony Meyer Nov. 26, 2004

Nov. 26, 2004

> Thanks for the through explanation. I have lots of programs > running on my computer: ZoneAlarm, AVG, SpywareGuard, Spybot, > MrPostman, etc. to name a few. I just was trying to reduce > the number of running programs by one! A plug-in will take up more or less the same amount of memory and processing time, so all you'd really gain is reducing the list of running programs in Task Manager (which, given how many processes are running with an average XP system, is nearly pointless). > About the proxy, it seems to me that it doesn't come with a > default list of filter words. It would be better to have a list > of words in addition to the learning feature, so it will be > ready to do something as soon as it is installed :) This has been discussed a number of times. The arguments against are: (a) You really need to supply both sample ham and spam messages to start off with, but how do you choose these? Are there examples of ham and spam that will really be universally considered such? (b) SpamBayes learns really fast - you only need to train on a dozen messages and results are fairly satisfactory*. So you're not really gaining that much. (c) The success of filters like this lies in the fact that it learns what you personally consider good & bad mail, and this works against that. All that said, it would be simple enough to do if someone was going to do the work in (a) of picking the messages (and could be optional). IIRC, one of the developers (Skip?) even started work along these lines, but there really isn't much demand for it, and so it's never got very far. If you strongly feel that it would be a good addition, the best move would be to add a tracker to the feature requests (RFE) on sourceforge: <http://sf.net/projects/spambayes>. That way it won't get lost in list traffic, and it's easy for other people to add their pleas. =Tony.Meyer * I use the 'bigrams' option, still experimental with 1.0.1, which probably makes learning quicker. But it should still be quick even without that. -- Please always include the list (spambayes(a)python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this.

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RE: [Spambayes] It all started with SP2
by Tony Meyer Nov. 26, 2004

Nov. 26, 2004

> 6. The other outlook plugin is Plaxxo, but it hasn't really > given me any troubles prior to, or since. I downloaded that in case it was some sort of conflict, but I don't have any troubles running them both, so I presume it's not. > 7. I think I could try a download if that might work. Since > our server blocks executables, I'd have to figure out a way > to do that with your help, but I can download and install > software in my PC from the web. I can put it online easily enough. What I'm testing is whether setting the toolbar to temporary instead of permanent will change anything (other than that, it is exactly identical to 1.0.1). If this version doesn't help, then you can just uninstall and delete it and put the regular one back. To try it out: 1. Download it from <http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/spambayes-tester-261104.exe> 2. Close Outlook. 3. Uninstall the existing SpamBayes (with the regular Windows Add/Remove Programs control panel) 4. Completely reset the Outlook toolbars by removing the file \Documents and Settings\{username}\Application Data\Microsoft\Outlook\outcmd.dat. 5. Run the installer. 6. Open Outlook and try the toolbar out. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes(a)python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this.

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RE: [Spambayes] Re: How to recover spam to a specific ham folder
by Tony Meyer Nov. 26, 2004

Nov. 26, 2004

> What I can see though is that all emails first show up in the > main entrance folder, then they are being further processed: > Outlook rules move them to the appropriate subfolders, > Spambayes checks for ham/spam status and moves them to the > corresponding folders (spam or unsure > messages) if necessary. An explanation for the problem could > be, if Spambayes comes before Outlook, it moves the emails > from the main folder to the spam folder or to the unsure > messages folder, an undo would just put them back into the > main folder. If background filtering is enabled (it is by default), then SpamBayes tries to run after all Outlook rules (you can adjust the values - Advanced tab of the Manager dialog - to ensure that this is the case). > I changed my Spymbayes configuration and took out the main > folder as ham folder, so Spambayes can only operate on the > subfolders. Now it should restore correctly, because now it > knows the subfolder an email came from. But Spambayes doesn't > do as exspected: An email with target subfolder B and moved > by Spambayes to the spam folder is recovered to subfolder A > (the first one in Spambayes' ham folder list). This is very odd. If SpamBayes can't figure out which folder to restore to (i.e. if the error is printed to the log), then it should try to put it in what Outlook thinks is the default inbox, which I presume would be the main folder, and not subfolder A. Now that you've made the change and the main folder isn't in the watched folders list, do you get an error printed in your log (the troubleshooting guide explains where that is) saying "Error locating origin of message"? If you do get the error, then the problem is with (a) saving/retrieving the original folder info and (b) subfolder A being returned as the default inbox. If you do not get the error, then the problem must be with saving the original folder info - i.e. SpamBayes is saving subfolder A as the original folder, rather than subfolder B. If that is the case, are there any additional Outlook rules running on either subfolder? =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes(a)python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this.

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RE: [Spambayes] email evades Spambayes
by Tony Meyer Nov. 26, 2004

Nov. 26, 2004

> If the CAPA command is given SOME of the time the server > connection fails to close after the QUIT command. What do you get back from the CAPA command (a) with the proxy and (b) with a direct connection to the server? We modify the CAPA response, so maybe I can't duplicate this since my response doesn't get duplicated (I don't have access to a POP3 server that has a CAPA response that would be modified). However, it does pass the test script... > Under these conditions, the pop3 proxy passes the commands for > the next session(s) without filtering the email. It is > moderately reproducible. This is also very strange (a second connection should be through the proxy, no matter what stage the first connection is at). What happens then, if you cause this problem with a telnet connection, and before ending the session (i.e. while it is hung) open another telnet connection to the proxy? Does this then result in a connection where you have direct access to the server? Does anything get printed to the (spambayes) log? (The troubleshooting guide explains where this is, or it's the console window when running from source). > what I think would resolve this is for the proxy to send an > extra <CR><LF> after the QUIT command to ensure that the session > has closed. I don't believe that this would solve the problem. The proxy sends all outgoing data exactly as is, no matter what. There's no reason that any sequence of actions should effect the server's response to a QUIT command, unless there's something odd about that specific POP server. (Do you only use the one POP server? If there's more than one, does the problem happen with both?) > I have had two of these cases after changing the check forr > SSL setting, but the problem is greatly reduced. Without checking (and assuming that the problem is with CAPA), I assume this is because Eudora doesn't use CAPA in most circumstances if it doesn't need to check for STARTTLS ability. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes(a)python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this.

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RE: [Spambayes] "Check for new version" proxy settings?
by Tony Meyer Nov. 26, 2004

Nov. 26, 2004

> The release notes for 1.0.1 talk about putting proxy detail > in the configuration file. > > But I can't find any information on what file and what > information needs to be put there in what format. > > Thanks in advance for any pointers on how to do this. Firstly, if the "Check for new version" function already works for you, then you don't need to do this. The information can usually be retrieved automatically and so you don't need to do anything. Secondly, if all you have is the location of an 'autoconfigure' script (as IE uses, but also supported by Firefox and others), that won't work. Supporting those is a lot of work, and not really worth it just for a version check. However, if it doesn't currently work, and you have the proxy's address (and optionally a username & password), then you need to put these in the 'default_bayes_customize.ini' file (for Outlook) or 'Proxy\bayescustomze.ini' file (for non-Outlook) that's in your data directory (the FAQ explains where to find that). Add these lines to the start or end of the file: [globals] proxy_username:foo proxy_password:bar proxy_server:proxy.example.com:8891 If you don't need a username/password, then those can be left out. If the port is 8880, then you can leave the colon and port off the end of the server name. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes(a)python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this.

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RE: [Spambayes] RE: [Spambayes-announce] ANNOUNCE: SpamBayes release1.0.1
by Tony Meyer Nov. 26, 2004

Nov. 26, 2004

> It's not too far off. I said in the original that I don't > bother updating to 2.x+ all the time. I forgot about 2.(x+1)a0 - > usually that happens a bit down the track, once there's actually > been changes to the trunk... Ah, ok. So as a draft to add to README-DEVEL (at the end of the process): o Change spambayes/__init__.py to contain the new version number with a '+' at the end, to indicate to CVS users that they are using code after the release, and check this change in. After a number of changes have been checked in, this can be incremented and have "a0" added to the end. For example, with a 1.1 release: [before the release process] '1.1rc1' [during the release process] '1.1' [after the release process] '1.1+' [later] '1.2a0' Seem ok? That'd make CVS Head '1.1a0' and the maintenance branch '1.0.1+' now. =Tony.Meyer

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RE: [Spambayes] email evades Spambayes
by The Rolphs Nov. 26, 2004

Nov. 26, 2004

I can confirm there is no secondary connection. A check of netstat -a doesn't show it and the mail client only knows about the localhost servers. At 03:28 PM 11/26/2004 +1300, Tony Meyer wrote: > > There is a bug of some sort in the pop3 proxy which causes it > > to pass all mail without filtering if it hangs. > >Are you positive? I cannot reproduce this (Eudora, Thunderbird, Outlook >Express) - if the proxy hangs, then the mail clients generates an error, as >one would expect. Are you certain there isn't a secondary connection >directly to the server that's working and gets the mail instead? A test >would be whether mail that's downloaded when the proxy hangs has the >SpamBayes headers. > >=Tony.Meyer > >-- >Please always include the list (spambayes(a)python.org) in your replies >(reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. >http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this. Regards. The Rolphs rolph(a)110.net

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RE: [Spambayes] RE: [Spambayes-announce] ANNOUNCE: SpamBayes release 1.0.1
by Tony Meyer Nov. 26, 2004

Nov. 26, 2004

> Current cvs head seems like it says "2.4c1". Since that's > the current release, I infer that cvs head matches the > current version more-or-less. I think that fairly soon after > the 2.4 release the cvs head version will read 2.5a0. Hmmm...this doesn't match the all-powerful-release-manager's answer at all :) So should spambayes have "1.0+" or "1.1a0" for CVS head? And "1.0.1", "1.0.1+", or "1.0.2a0" for the maintenance branch? =Tony.Meyer

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