Mailman 3 May 2005 - SpamBayes

Re: [Spambayes] Spambayes eats lots of memory
by Tony Meyer May 29, 2005

May 29, 2005

> I had a look at the tracker before posting but did not find this very > same problem. [ 1182671 ] When cache directories are full, 1.1a1 starts slowly <https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=1182671&group_ id=61702> [ 1182670 ] High memory consumption with sb_server when receiving mail <https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=1182670&group_ id=61702> =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this.

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Re: [Spambayes] Data files
by Tony Meyer May 29, 2005

May 29, 2005

> Is there a data file I can copy from my desktop to the laptop? Please see FAQ 3.6: <http://spambayes.org/faq.html#can-i-share-move-my-training-data-from-one-co mputer-to-another> =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this.

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Re: [Spambayes] Multi-user installation
by Tony Meyer May 29, 2005

May 29, 2005

> I need step by step instructions to add the add-in for > everyone that logs onto a machine. The directions given > were not very helpful. Where you are having trouble in the instructions? You need to open a command prompt and type in the command in the instructions. That's all there is to it. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this.

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Outlook Express setup problem
by Stu May 28, 2005

May 28, 2005

Howdy guys- I'm having some difficulty setting up SpamBayes with Outlook Express. SpamBayes is installed and configured according to instructions with "mail.comcast.net" in the very first field. I followed the instructions on FAQ 4.21 but I think I am getting hung up at step #12. When I go TOOLS>ACCOUNTS>PROPERTIES>SERVERS I see the following (text inside quotes is editable field) SERVER INFORMATION My incoming mail server is a "POP3" server. Incoming mail (POP3): "Mail.comcast.net" Outgoing mail (SMTP): "smtp.comcast.net" INCOMING MAIL SERVER Account name: "rowski" Password: "*********"" I assume from the instructions in step 12 that I am to replace "mail.comcast.net" with "localhost" Good so far? When I do this and try to check mail, I get a window: Window header = Logon - mail.comcast.net Please enter your user name and password for the following server. Logon Server: localhost User Name: "rowski" Password: "********" Reentering user name and password and clicking OK just brings back same window. Can someone please get me back on track? Thanks for your help. Stu rowski(a)comcast.net

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Data files
by Robert N. Cordy May 28, 2005

May 28, 2005

Sirs, I am very happy with Spam Bayes and have used it for a couple of years on desktop computer without a problem of any sort. Now I have a laptop on which I would like to install what was "learned" by my desktop SpamBayes. Is there a data file I can copy from my desktop to the laptop? Thank you. R. N. Cordy ===============

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Help!!
by Gladys Krinke May 28, 2005

May 28, 2005

Hello.......I am 71 years old so please be patient with me. Yes..........I have read a lot of info on troubleshooting. I have Windows 98 and oh! am I being spammed!! i downloaded Spam Bays and installed it. The only evidence I can find that I have done that is by clicking Start.......Programs.........Spam Bays is there at the bottom of the list but no evidence anywhere in Outlook Express page. How do I get to use it? Thanks for helping Gladys Krinke

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Re: [Spambayes] Spambayes eats lots of memory
by Robert Mezzone May 27, 2005

May 27, 2005

I think this is a known bug in sbserver with this release. Remember a stands for Alpha :=) Robert -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces(a)python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of François VOGEL Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 3:38 PM To: spambayes(a)python.org Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes eats lots of memory Hi, I'm running Win XP SP2 on a 4-months old PC with 512 MB RAM, with the latest SpamBayes 1.1a1 and Outlook Express. It is running very fine as to its filtering capabilities, and this really changed my life, but it eats huge amount of memory. This happens gradually worse as I train more and the computer (or just Spambayes) is not restarted. I have now approximately 50 spam and 50 ham trained only. Process sb_tray.exe can use up to 200 MB of memory and maybe more (did not be patient enough to see how far this would go!). Each time Outlook Express recovers the new mail, everything slows down dramatically because the computer is swapping memory on disk. Even when there is no mail traffic between Outlook Express and Spambayes, this memory is not released. It is neither released when I close Outlook Express but it is to some extent (still 50MB used for sb_tray.exe) when I stop Spambayes. At this point I cannot start Spambayes again, I have to exit Spambayes (I find my memory back) and launch it again (~40 MB used for it). Is this the normal behaviour? How comes that comparing with approx. 100 messages needs so much memory that is never released? The logfile seems perfectly normal AFAIK: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\spambayes.modules C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\spambayes.modules\spambayes\languages Service not available. Using thread. Loading database... Listener on port 110 is proxying pop.free.fr:110 User interface url is http://localhost:8880/ Thanks for any hint. Francois _______________________________________________ Spambayes(a)python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

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Multi-user installation
by Whidden, Kass May 27, 2005

May 27, 2005

I need step by step instructions to add the add-in for everyone that logs onto a machine. The directions given were not very helpful. Kass Whidden Administrative Assistant San Carlos Park Fire District (239) 267-7525 (239) 267-7505 fax

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Spambayes eats lots of memory
by François VOGEL May 27, 2005

May 27, 2005

Hi, I'm running Win XP SP2 on a 4-months old PC with 512 MB RAM, with the latest SpamBayes 1.1a1 and Outlook Express. It is running very fine as to its filtering capabilities, and this really changed my life, but it eats huge amount of memory. This happens gradually worse as I train more and the computer (or just Spambayes) is not restarted. I have now approximately 50 spam and 50 ham trained only. Process sb_tray.exe can use up to 200 MB of memory and maybe more (did not be patient enough to see how far this would go!). Each time Outlook Express recovers the new mail, everything slows down dramatically because the computer is swapping memory on disk. Even when there is no mail traffic between Outlook Express and Spambayes, this memory is not released. It is neither released when I close Outlook Express but it is to some extent (still 50MB used for sb_tray.exe) when I stop Spambayes. At this point I cannot start Spambayes again, I have to exit Spambayes (I find my memory back) and launch it again (~40 MB used for it). Is this the normal behaviour? How comes that comparing with approx. 100 messages needs so much memory that is never released? The logfile seems perfectly normal AFAIK: C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\spambayes.modules C:\Program Files\SpamBayes\lib\spambayes.modules\spambayes\languages Service not available. Using thread. Loading database... Listener on port 110 is proxying pop.free.fr:110 User interface url is http://localhost:8880/ Thanks for any hint. Francois

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Re: [Spambayes] SpamBayes for Outlook 2000 over IMAP?
by Tony Meyer May 27, 2005

May 27, 2005

> What I've determined so far. Please help correct my confusion: > > - The SB Outlook plugin does not filter IMAP. Incorrect. The SpamBayes Outlook plug-in filters any incoming mail in Outlook. It doesn't know or care what sort of store (IMAP, pst, Exchange, Hotmail) the mail is on. > - The SB 1.0.4 Windows install exe does not include > "applications suitable for almost all email clients" like the > download page says under the Windows heading. It only > contains the Outlook plugin. Incorrect. It contains both the Outlook plug-in and sb_server, which covers Outlook and basically any mail clients that are using POP3 (not IMAP). It doesn't contain the SpamBayes IMAP filter (sb_imapfilter); 1.1 (currently in alpha) does, however. > - So, I need Python and the SB source for Windows. Nope; you'll be fine with the installer and the Outlook plug-in. > The 1.0.4 .zip package does not decompress in WinZip 8. Are you certain that you downloaded it correctly? I would be very surprised if this was the case. I have WinZip 9, so can't tell for sure, but it seems very unlikely. Check that the file size matches that on the download page. > - FAQ item 1.5 describes the POP proxy and web interface, > both of which I'm afraid to run on a non-NAT'ed machine. You shouldn't be (and you needn't use the POP3 proxy if your mail is retrieved via IMAP). By default the web interface only accepts connections from the local machine. You can unrestrict this if you wish, allowing connections from specific IPs (or from anywhere, if you really want). You can also require the web interface to ask for authentication, although this isn't enabled by default. If you're connecting to the web interface from the machine it's running on, no traffic should be sent outside that machine (unless you have a really weird network configuration). > - Something (the "IMAP Filter" section of the readme?) > clarified that sb_imapfilter.py is not a proxy, but connects > to the IMAP server independantly of your e-mail client and > scores/filters your mail at certain time intervals. That's correct. Again, you don't have to use this, since you can use the Outlook plug-in. > - Running sb_imapfilter.py starts the web interface and lets > my machine listen for HTTP on port 8880. Correct again. > - sb_imapfilter.py does not use the Bayesian database from > the Outlook plugin. By default sb_imapfilter.py (and sb_server.py) uses a different filename for the database, yes. It is the same format, though, so you can interchange them if you want to. Or you can point sb_imapfilter.py (or the Outlook plug-in) at the other database, and share them. (Concurrent access is *not* supported, however). > Now, the questions, in addition to "Are the above is correct?": > > - Can I run sb_imapfilter.py without it starting the web interface? > Let me configure using interface once, then never run it > again; thus never opening up port 8880 for listening. Yes. > - When I first have sb_imapfilter.py connect to my IMAP > server, will it score every message in my Inbox? Every undeleted message, yes. > Will that > erase them all and recreate them (slightly noted somewhere in > the FAQ)? Yes. You can't modify IMAP messages (it's a really crap protocol), only create new copies of them. So it has to do this. Again, you can just use the Outlook plug-in. > Will it change their read/unread status (which I > rely on desperately)? No. > - Does spam sit in my Inbox until sb_imapfilter.py does its > periodic sweep? Yes. > Or does sb_imapfilter.py detect new mail as > it arrives, score it, and filter as necessary (elluded to in > the FAQ 1.5.8 overview)? No. > - Each time sb_imapfilter.py checks my IMAP Inbox, will it > score only new mail since its last check? Yes. > If so, can I avoid > the initial scoring (and potential delete/recreate and > read-status change) by tricking it somehow? Yes, but that would be very complicated. > - Since I don't have cron on Windows, how can I set > sb_imapfilter.py to run periodically? You can use the -l switch, in which case it will do it itself. > Task Scheduler? You can do this instead if you prefer. > Leaving a cmd window open all day? If you run sb_imapfilter.py with pythonw.exe instead of python.exe a cmd window will not be opened. > - Does the web interface really keep full-text copies of all > my mail (suggested in FAQ 1.5.5), even those 1+meg > attachments people sometimes send? No. The POP3 proxy does this. It's a necessary part of how it operates (I can elaborate if you wish). Messages expire from the cache after a certain amount of time (default 7 days). > Can I disable that, Yes. > or is > that the only way to train the system It's the preferred way to train the POP3 proxy. It has nothing to do with the IMAP filter, or the Outlook plug-in (which you should use). > without opening the spam (triggering spammer alerts) I don't know what you mean by "opening" here. > and forwarding it to localhost:8880 (which I'd rather not run)? Only sb_upload.py "forwards" mail to the web interface, and it's extremely unlikely that you'd want to use that. The web interface isn't used for training by sb_imapfilter or the Outlook plug-in. > All my reading and testing culminated in me running > sb_imapfilter.py, putting my config info in the web > interface, then clicking "Save and Shutdown" and having it do > nothing but spin the IE page-loading globe endlessly. > Killing the python.exe process ended it. I don't know what happened here, but since you ought to be using the Outlook plug-in, I won't bother to try and figure it out, unless you do actually want to use sb_imapfilter.py. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this.

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