Mailman 3 May 2005 - SpamBayes

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by michael May 27, 2005

May 27, 2005

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Problem reviewing emails
by KD5NWA May 27, 2005

May 27, 2005

Ever since I switched over to V1.04 I'm having a problem classifying my mail. What happens is that email's that are Spam are classified as good, but when you go to the review screen the email's are not there, so after a few days the database is worthless. I end up deleting the databases (all of them) and starting again, I just did it yesterday, and I'm starting to notice that some mail that I receive do not show up on the review screen, so it's going to get corrupted again. I have deleted all databases and started learning three times now. I was running before just fine, it started when I upgraded from 1.03 to 1.04 I'm running the following; XP with SP2 and all the critical patches SpamBayes V1.04 using ports 510 and 511 Eudora 6.21 I have three email accounts from two ISP's, both are set in Spambayes. All three email accounts are set to read from "localhost" SpamBayes is set to not automatically train, and to not suppress catching of bulk email's SpamBayes is set to harvest the email adresses. I'm running the Microsoft firewall I'm new to the list so I don't know if this is old news, I looked at the archives and I discouraged by the amount of mail to look through. Cecil Bayona KD5NWA www.qrpradio.com 'Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.'

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Need help
by Seth Viresh-CVS001 May 27, 2005

May 27, 2005

When I click on the 'Delete as spam' or the 'recover from spam' buttons in the toolbar, it seems to update its rules but does not move the mail into my junk mail folder or the inbox folder. It used to work fine. Just stopped doing it one day. Any help will be appreciated.

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Re: [Spambayes] a new idea .... Spam filtering perhand withdeleteoption also !?
by Tony Meyer May 26, 2005

May 26, 2005

> So - yet - it is normal for me also, that i got some "ham > mails" in folder "INBOX", which are delete,, because i think > that is not interesst anymore for me. > But i could be possible that it is interessing to undelete > it, why i share it with a other user , too (small office 4 person). So you're essentially archiving mail in the Trash folder. This isn't really a good idea - you'd be much better off moving the mail that you aren't interested in now (but might be in the future) to some other folder (e.g. "Archive") and just putting things you want to delete in the Trash. However, I think that this feature request would give you the functionality that you're after: [ 973376 ] Make "Delete as Spam" *really* Delete the email <http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=973376&group_id=61 702&atid=498106> Not exactly what you asked for, but I think it would do what you want. I have no idea if/when that feature request will be implemented, but you're welcome to add comments to it, or to write such a patch yourself, of course. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this.

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Re: [Spambayes] [spambayes-dev] ham goes not left to theoriginalfolder - Outlook2003
by Tony Meyer May 26, 2005

May 26, 2005

> Here the log-part from this action ... [...] > Unable to determine source folder for message 'RE: [Spambayes] > [spambayes-dev] ham goes not left to the originalfolder - > Outlook2003' - restoring to Inbox [...] > Or maybe i can olso help - i can programm vis c, vis basic, c > also....... > But at first i will wait what you are think about the > logs....because i > would need a lot of time to feel good in the sources :) If you were willing to run from source and try a few changes, that would greatly help. If you can run from source, then the code we are interested in is the GetRememberedFolder() method in msgstore.py. ISTM that to get the function to return None (which will print out the message that was in your log) without also printing a "Error locating origin of message" message the GetFolder() method has to return None. It gets called with either the folder id from the message, or the folder id from the messageinfo database. It would help to know which one it is (I suspect the latter, and something is going wrong with storing it in the messageinfo database). Could you add a print "MAPI", folder_id line before the first call to self.msgstore.GetFolder() in the GetRememberedFolder() method, and a print "msgdb", self.original_folder line before the second call and see what gets printed to the log? =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this.

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Re: [Spambayes] a new idea .... Spam filtering perhand with deleteoption also !?
by Tony Meyer May 26, 2005

May 26, 2005

> No - as default if i delte a mail in imap - it goes to "trash" folder > > So now - it would be nice if i can only delete all spam-mails > from folder "trash" So you don't want to filter the Trash folder (i.e. you don't want to reclassify the messages, or move any of them), just delete those that have already been marked as spam. Why not just permanently delete the messages rather than moving them to the Trash folder? Why not just empty the Trash folder? There's nothing in there you want to keep, right? (Otherwise, why would they be in the trash?) =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this.

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Re: [Spambayes] a new idea .... Spam filtering perhand with delete option also !?
by Tony Meyer May 25, 2005

May 25, 2005

> 1.) So in the options i only check the folder "Inbox" and move all > SPAM-mails to "SPAM". > > 2.) sometimes i check manually per hand the spam-folder - after that i > delete all messages and a copy is also in "Trash" after that ..... > > Well - NOW - how can i clean the trash-folder ??? I'm afraid I don't really understand. Why do you want to filter the trash folder? Hasn't all the mail in there already been filtered when it was in the Inbox? (either it was classified as ham and you manually moved the message to the Trash, or it was classified as spam, moved to the Spam folder, and then you deleted it). =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this.

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Re: [Spambayes] Multi-User configuration
by Tony Meyer May 25, 2005

May 25, 2005

> I'm looking to setup SpamBayes for a small network of users, > about 25, who are all using Outlook 2002. I would ideally like > the spam database to be shared across by everyone, Is there a reason for that? The very strength of filters like SpamBayes is that they are trained to the individual. It would also mean that installation was simple. [...] > It looks like I could set up each client to look at a shared > drive on a file server, and then just make sure that their > profile name was unique (which is all easy enough). It seems > to be working ok for the two test machines I have sharing the > database. I created the initial database from from a large > sample (about 400 spam and 400 good messages), and now each is > able to add new spam or good messages to the filter as they go. Basically, you're pointing both instances of the Outlook plug-in at the same database file, correct? [...] > That's all fine, but I want to be sure if I will run into any > trouble doing this on a larger scale, with all 25 users. Yes, you will run into a lot of trouble. You will find that the database gets regularly corrupted (you'll find this will the two users, as well, but it may take a bit longer). SpamBayes doesn't have any support for concurrent access to the database, which is what you are after here. There are various ways you could achieve this, but none are easy: 1. You could leave the plug-in running as it does by default, with individual databases, and create a script that synchronises them at some point (e.g. overnight) when they are not being used. 2. IIRC, some of the experimental database backends (mysql (1.0+), postgresql (1.0+), ZODB/ZEO (1.1a1+)) can manage concurrent access. However, you'd have to add additional code to handle this (with ZEO, at least; I don't really know what the situation with the SQL ones are) - basically if concurrent access is attempted, it will raise an exception, which you can catch, wait, and try again later. 3. You could leave the plug-in running as it does by default, with individual databases, and have a script that creates a fresh database from messages in certain folders (easy with spam, hard with ham) overnight, and replace the individual databases with it. 4. You could do the filtering server-side somehow (e.g. <http://spambayes.org/server_side.html>), although I'm not sure how you would work in the bit about the users doing their own training. 5. I think (but am not 100%) that if you used 1.1a1 (or ran from source) and used a pickle for storage, that what would happen is that the database wouldn't get corrupted, but you'd lose training data. Each time the database was saved to disk, it would become the valid copy, but the other instances of SpamBayes wouldn't load that until they were restarted, so if one of those then saved the database, the information would be replaced. Essentially, unless you really do have good reason for wanting a shared database (or have the resources to implement something like one of the above), it would be best to leave the plug-in working with individual databases. =Tony.Meyer -- Please always include the list (spambayes at python.org) in your replies (reply-all), and please don't send me personal mail about SpamBayes. http://www.massey.ac.nz/~tameyer/writing/reply_all.html explains this.

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Multi-User configuration
by Robert McFadden May 25, 2005

May 25, 2005

I'm looking to setup SpamBayes for a small network of users, about 25, who are all using Outlook 2002. I would ideally like the spam database to be shared across by everyone, and to be able to use the Outlook plugin for easy training by the users. It looks like I could set up each client to look at a shared drive on a file server, and then just make sure that their profile name was unique (which is all easy enough). It seems to be working ok for the two test machines I have sharing the database. I created the initial database from from a large sample (about 400 spam and 400 good messages), and now each is able to add new spam or good messages to the filter as they go. It seems like they are using a personal copy of the DB when Outlook is opened, and while changes they make to the database are apparent immediately, changes the other user(s) make aren't seen until Outlook is restarted. That's all fine, but I want to be sure if I will run into any trouble doing this on a larger scale, with all 25 users. Thanks in advance, Rob

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Re: [Spambayes] SB with Outlook 2003?
by Jesse Pelton May 25, 2005

May 25, 2005

Should work. I'd say give it a whirl! ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces(a)python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Don Ireland Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 11:43 AM To: spambayes(a)python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] SB with Outlook 2003? Thanks. I never even thought about Excange. We don't use Exchange. Outlook 2003 is installed locally on my PC and checks email via my ISP's POP3 server. That shouldn't matter thougt--right? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jesse Pelton <mailto:jsp@PKC.com> To: Don Ireland <mailto:spambayes@donireland.com> ; spambayes(a)python.org Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 11:32 AM Subject: RE: [Spambayes] SB with Outlook 2003? Works for me. Since I can't turn off the Exchange server-side filtering, I have SpamBayes filter Outlook's Junk folders as well. SpamBayes doesn't move ham (yet), so I find messages in the Junk or Junk candidates folder periodically, in which case I know Exchange thought they were spam but SpamBayes knew better. ________________________________ From: spambayes-bounces(a)python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Don Ireland Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 11:25 AM To: spambayes(a)python.org Subject: [Spambayes] SB with Outlook 2003? Will Spambayes work well with Outlook 2003? Although 2003 has it's own spam filters and does a decent job, it still misses alot of spam and I've already got it set on "high". TIA

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