Re: [Speed] [pypy-dev] Moving the project forward
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Yahr, I be here. I would really like to see this done under a config management system (I prefer Chef and thats been the plan so far unless there are heavy objections). In general no one should ever be changing things on any PSF server by hand if at all possible in the interests of disaster recovery, reproducibility, and some modicum of enforced documentation (even if that doc is just a Chef recipe).
--Noah
On Aug 30, 2011, at 5:35 PM, Alex Gaynor wrote:
I've gotten Noah Kantrowitz on here, he's doing some other infrastructure stuff for the PSF, and would like to include speed.python.org in the proper organization of the machines, rather than ad-hoc "everyone installs what they think it needs" :)
Alex
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Jesse Noller <jnoller@gmail.com> wrote: (Re-sending intentionally - I wasn't subbed to pypy-dev and got rejected)
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Jesse Noller <jnoller@gmail.com> wrote:
Here's a summary (nicely put together by Nick Coghlan):
OSU/OSL have set up the machine itself (details in the July list archives)
I am the machine admin (I have root)
Tennessee and Miquel are working on getting codespeed up and running
I and Maciej are already too busy to handle the coordination/admin side of things
I just added the "speedracer" account - a common account to setup things as needed. Currently, I don't see activity from Miquel on setting up the codespeed instance. I know Tennessee has been looking at setting up the runner.
What we need is this, very simply:
1 - A working, running codespeed instance installed 2 - Benchmark runner(s) setup and going - for PyPy and CPython 2.x since the benchmarks don't run on Python 3 yet.
Other needs/notes:
- a project issue tracker doesn't appear to exist yet (needs to be done)
- a better 'placeholder/about' page would be useful that offered links to:
- the speed@python.org mailing list signup page
- the issue tracker (once it exists)
- the codespeed repo
Ideally, the front landing page would end up looking like: http://speed.pypy.org/
the aim is to eventually have the web front end running on different (but still OSU/OSL hosted) hardware, although that likely isn't critical right now
the current 5 GB /tmp size may be a problem for PyPy
Where do we go from here - I can not be the one to keep pestering the group to make forward progress. On behalf of the PSF, and the CPython and PyPy teams, I got us a donated platform for running these shared, common benchmarks. Right now we have a 10,000$+ paper weight taking rack space in OSU/OSL.
I need someone to take lead on this and get the project moving forward
- as a reminder, here was the original proposal I made to the board, after PyCon 2011:
""" Coming out of the PyCon VM and language summits, it was commonly agreed that PyPy, CPython, IronPython and Jython should strive to move to a common set of benchmarks and a single performance-oriented site. This was agreed upon by the maintainers present at the conference, and included leads from all of the major implementations. This project would be lead by the various VM development teams, and based around the Unladen Swallow/PyPy benchmark suite. The site would be derived from:
There are already GSOC students potentially lined up to work on porting the test suite to Python 3!
There, of course, is the requirement that we have:
1> A machine 2> Hosting for that machine
And I took the job of finding both. As the OSU/OSL [1] has come up several times in discussions about free, monitored hosting, I felt that now would be the time to float the trial balloon and start a continuing relationship with the OSU/OSL team. I got to speak with some of the team at PyCon, and I was quite impressed with their enthusiasm and willingness to help out. """
I need help from everyone to get this up and running: the PyPy team is most familiar with the speed.pypy.org/codespeed system. If we could get a dump of what needs to be done to get things setup, that may help get more hands involved.
I am feeling personally responsible that this has not been moving forward - I need your help to get this up and running for the betterment of CPython and PyPy. This project benefits both projects, and Python in general immensely.
Once up and running, this system will be prominently placed on the Python.org home page, and be used by potential users to help select and evaluate their Python runtime.
Jesse
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-On [20110831 02:57], Noah Kantrowitz (noah@coderanger.net) wrote:
Yahr, I be here. I would really like to see this done under a config management system (I prefer Chef and thats been the plan so far unless there are heavy objections). In general no one should ever be changing things on any PSF server by hand if at all possible in the interests of disaster recovery, reproducibility, and some modicum of enforced documentation (even if that doc is just a Chef recipe).
If Noah's going to pull this, being an Opscode guy, does it make sense for me to help out. I mean, he's the Chef guru here and I doubt there's little I can contribute then?
-- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven <asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org> / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Under this standard shalt thou conquer...
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Noah is one person, yes you should help
On Aug 31, 2011, at 3:43 AM, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven <asmodai@in-nomine.org> wrote:
-On [20110831 02:57], Noah Kantrowitz (noah@coderanger.net) wrote:
Yahr, I be here. I would really like to see this done under a config management system (I prefer Chef and thats been the plan so far unless there are heavy objections). In general no one should ever be changing things on any PSF server by hand if at all possible in the interests of disaster recovery, reproducibility, and some modicum of enforced documentation (even if that doc is just a Chef recipe).
If Noah's going to pull this, being an Opscode guy, does it make sense for me to help out. I mean, he's the Chef guru here and I doubt there's little I can contribute then?
-- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven <asmodai(-at-)in-nomine.org> / asmodai イェルーン ラウフロック ヴァン デル ウェルヴェン http://www.in-nomine.org/ | GPG: 2EAC625B Under this standard shalt thou conquer...
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On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Jesse Noller <jnoller@gmail.com> wrote:
Noah is one person, yes you should help
On Aug 31, 2011, at 3:43 AM, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven <asmodai@in-nomine.org> wrote:
-On [20110831 02:57], Noah Kantrowitz (noah@coderanger.net) wrote:
Yahr, I be here. I would really like to see this done under a config management system (I prefer Chef and thats been the plan so far unless there are heavy objections). In general no one should ever be changing things on any PSF server by hand if at all possible in the interests of disaster recovery, reproducibility, and some modicum of enforced documentation (even if that doc is just a Chef recipe).
If Noah's going to pull this, being an Opscode guy, does it make sense for me to help out. I mean, he's the Chef guru here and I doubt there's little I can contribute then?
Backing Jesse up on this one: it's generally nice to have at least two people able to do things so that one person going on holidays (or whatever) doesn't prevent progress.
speed.python.org is really going to need its own supporting community to fulfil its potential, and the existing CPython and PyPy devs already have pretty full plates, so relying on us to make it happen won't work so well. Getting started is going to be a little rocky, since decision making responsibilities aren't at all clear and there will need to be a bit of "self-appointment" involved.
So I'll ask a (deceptively) simple question: who's going to set up a BitBucket project to use as the issue tracker for speed.python.org (at least initially), populate it with information about the current plans for the speed.python.org site and then announce that to this list?
Whoever does this will be volunteering themselves for a bit of work in helping to coordinate things, especially in granting other people access to the project and turning the summary in Jesse's email into a list of initial tasks, but they'll also be playing a key part in helping to build a useful community resource.
But the field's wide open as to who that person will be - all it really takes at this point is a BitBucket account and a willingness to say "I can do this!" :)
Cheers, Nick.
-- Nick Coghlan | ncoghlan@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia
participants (4)
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Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven
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Jesse Noller
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Nick Coghlan
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Noah Kantrowitz