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1. Re: suggestions for naming to help us preserve a Twisted
trademark (Jonathan Lange)
2. How-to raise errors with sshclient conch example in Twisted
book (asset)
3. Re: suggestions for naming to help us preserve a Twisted
trademark (glyph@divmod.com)
4. Re: suggestions for naming to help us preserve a Twisted
trademark (Drew Smathers)
5. Re: suggestions for naming to help us preserve a Twisted
trademark (Gabriel Rossetti)
6. Re: suggestions for naming to help us preserve a Twisted
trademark (Chris Miles)
7. Re: suggestions for naming to help us preserve a Twisted
trademark (Simon Pickles)
8. Re: How-to raise errors with sshclient conch example in
Twisted book (Kuba Konczyk)
9. Re: suggestions for naming to help us preserve a Twisted
trademark (Michael)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 13:09:20 +1000
From: "Jonathan Lange" <jml@mumak.net>
Subject: Re: [Twisted-Python] suggestions for naming to help us
preserve a Twisted trademark
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On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Tim Stebbing <tjstebbing@gmail.com> wrote:
>> More seriously, Emacs, Apache, Linux, Python, Debian and Ubuntu are
>> all trademarked. The Emacs trademark is held by the FSF, bastions of
>> ideological purity. So far, I've encountered only one person who finds
>> this suspicious. Hi Tim :)
>>
>
> 'other people do this thing so we should also do this thing' is not a
> great argument. I'm not against the idea, I just have some questions
> we're yet to have answered.
>
That's not what I said.
You said "trademarks make people suspicious". I provided
counter-examples, demonstrating that your statement is not true in the
general case.
jml
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 20:40:32 -0700
From: "asset" <asset@impactdamage.com>
Subject: [Twisted-Python] How-to raise errors with sshclient conch
example in Twisted book
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Ref: http://www.devshed.com/c/a/Python/SSH-with-Twisted/4/ =
Im new to Twisted and am trying to learn as quickly as I can. I apologize =
if this question is a waste of anybody's time.
When working the with sshclient.py example (from the Twisted book, and the =
link above) I find the reactor hangs and does not raise an exception on con=
nection failures or failed authentication.
Ive been trying to work out how to catch these situations and shut down the=
reactor; or cleanup for another attempt, yet I cant seem to wrap my head a=
round it.
I imagine this is trivial and Im totally missing it.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thx,
TKiel
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 03:43:39 -0000
From: glyph@divmod.com
Subject: Re: [Twisted-Python] suggestions for naming to help us
preserve a Twisted trademark
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On 12:52 am, waterbug@pangalactic.us wrote:
>I think trademarking "twisted" is a good idea, if only to have
>a prior claim in the (unlikely) event someone else should
>try to claim it for something in the context of software.
Thanks.
>I'm not enthusiastic about "twisty" as a naming standard for
>anything -- partly from jml's observations and partly just some
>aversion to it that I don't understand myself -- if I don't
>mind "twisted", why would "twisty" bother me? I dunno.
I am not particularly enthusiastic about the term myself, personally. I
think we need some word to fill that role (the one that "Py" fills for
Python) but please feel free to suggest something else. It doesn't have
to be a full word - "Py" isn't. "Twi"? (Quick, someone come up with a
home lighting control project that uses twisted so we can have
"TwiLight".)
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 00:10:10 -0400
From: "Drew Smathers" <drew.smathers@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Twisted-Python] suggestions for naming to help us
preserve a Twisted trademark
To: "Twisted general discussion" <twisted-python@twistedmatrix.com>
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On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:43 PM, <glyph@divmod.com> wrote:
> On 12:52 am, waterbug@pangalactic.us wrote:
>>
>> I think trademarking "twisted" is a good idea, if only to have
>> a prior claim in the (unlikely) event someone else should
>> try to claim it for something in the context of software.
>
> Thanks.
>>
>> I'm not enthusiastic about "twisty" as a naming standard for
>> anything -- partly from jml's observations and partly just some
>> aversion to it that I don't understand myself -- if I don't
>> mind "twisted", why would "twisty" bother me? I dunno.
>
> I am not particularly enthusiastic about the term myself, personally. I
> think we need some word to fill that role (the one that "Py" fills for
> Python) but please feel free to suggest something else. It doesn't have to
> be a full word - "Py" isn't. "Twi"? (Quick, someone come up with a home
> lighting control project that uses twisted so we can have "TwiLight".)
>
I think "Twi" is problematic because it's on the cusp of becoming a
word, or even worse, too easily mistaken for an acronym (and a rather
pedestrian sounding acronym due to the closeness to the airliner TWA).
Also Twi SNMP, Twi Storage, and Twi Goodies all sound (and read)
horribly as project names. My vote is for just "Tw" or the word
"Twist".
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 08:34:11 +0200
From: Gabriel Rossetti <mailing_lists@evotex.ch>
Subject: Re: [Twisted-Python] suggestions for naming to help us
preserve a Twisted trademark
To: Twisted general discussion <twisted-python@twistedmatrix.com>
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glyph@divmod.com wrote:
> On 12:52 am, waterbug@pangalactic.us wrote:
>> I think trademarking "twisted" is a good idea, if only to have
>> a prior claim in the (unlikely) event someone else should
>> try to claim it for something in the context of software.
>
> Thanks.
>> I'm not enthusiastic about "twisty" as a naming standard for
>> anything -- partly from jml's observations and partly just some
>> aversion to it that I don't understand myself -- if I don't
>> mind "twisted", why would "twisty" bother me? I dunno.
>
> I am not particularly enthusiastic about the term myself, personally.
> I think we need some word to fill that role (the one that "Py" fills
> for Python) but please feel free to suggest something else. It
> doesn't have to be a full word - "Py" isn't. "Twi"? (Quick, someone
> come up with a home lighting control project that uses twisted so we
> can have "TwiLight".)
>
I'm also not really fond of Twisty, why not just "tw"? For "Twisted
Goodies" & "Twisted Storage" that would make it "twGoodies" and
"twStorage", just my 2 cents.
Gabriel
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 17:18:40 +1000
From: Chris Miles <miles.chris@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Twisted-Python] suggestions for naming to help us
preserve a Twisted trademark
To: Twisted general discussion <twisted-python@twistedmatrix.com>
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On 30/05/2008, at 4:34 PM, Gabriel Rossetti wrote:
> glyph@divmod.com wrote:
>> I am not particularly enthusiastic about the term myself,
>> personally. I think we need some word to fill that role (the one
>> that "Py" fills for Python) but please feel free to suggest
>> something else. It doesn't have to be a full word - "Py" isn't.
>> "Twi"? (Quick, someone come up with a home lighting control
>> project that uses twisted so we can have "TwiLight".)
>>
> I'm also not really fond of Twisty, why not just "tw"? For "Twisted
> Goodies" & "Twisted Storage" that would make it "twGoodies" and
> "twStorage", just my 2 cents.
The "tw" prefix is already used by ToscaWidgets-related packages, see http://tinyurl.com/5sjyhu
Cheers,
CM
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 08:35:21 +0100
From: Simon Pickles <sipickles@googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [Twisted-Python] suggestions for naming to help us
preserve a Twisted trademark
To: Twisted general discussion <twisted-python@twistedmatrix.com>
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Chris Miles wrote:
>
> The "tw" prefix is already used by ToscaWidgets-related packages, see
> http://tinyurl.com/5sjyhu
>
>
'twd' says twisted to me...
Si
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:08:58 +0100
From: "Kuba Konczyk" <jakamkon@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Twisted-Python] How-to raise errors with sshclient conch
example in Twisted book
To: asset@impactdamage.com, "Twisted general discussion"
<twisted-python@twistedmatrix.com>
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2008/5/30 asset <asset@impactdamage.com>:
[...]
>
> When working the with sshclient.py example (from the Twisted book, and the
> link above) I find the reactor hangs and does not raise an exception on
> connection failures or failed authentication.
>
Try to turn on logging using twisted.python.log(sys.stderr).I would
also suggest to put it after getpass in example you're using.
For handling a connection failures have a look at
clientConnectionFailed in ClientFactory and for a authentication
errors receiveError in SSHClientTransport.
>
> TKiel
jkk
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 10:52:30 +0100
From: Michael <ms@cerenity.org>
Subject: Re: [Twisted-Python] suggestions for naming to help us
preserve a Twisted trademark
To: twisted-python@twistedmatrix.com
Cc: Tim Stebbing <tjstebbing@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200805301052.31509.ms@cerenity.org>
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On Friday 30 May 2008 01:25:19 Tim Stebbing wrote:
> why?
>
> I mean, if you trademark 'Twisted' and developer X goes and calls his
> bit of code 'twisted foo' are you going to pursue him in court? To
> what end?
There's also defensive trademarking. If Linux (for example) had been
trademarked early, this would never have happened:
In the United States, the name Linux is a trademark registered to Linus
Torvalds.[59] Initially, nobody registered it, but on August 15, 1994,
William R. Della Croce, Jr. filed for the trademark Linux, and then
demanded royalties from Linux distributors. In 1996, Torvalds and some
affected organizations sued him to have the trademark assigned to
Torvalds, and in 1997 the case was settled.[60]
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux#Licensing.2C_trademark.2C_and_naming )
Michael.
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