Hi Gang, Preface: I'm not a protocol guru, or even a "distributed object" (DO) guru, so this message is from the point of view of a DO novice looking for insights from some of the twisted minions (/gurus) and other cybergods who hang out here. I've been monitoring Brian's work on newpb (PBng?), and I love everything about it. Except how long it's taking. :( Brian: I know you have a real job, too, so I completely understand! (Incidentally, you're the only one whose commit messages I save, because they're always so well documented.) I've read the TODO list, and pretty much everything is beyond my abilities (and time) to contribute to -- sorry! -- but is it possible to put any kind of approximate timeline on some of it? PB is what I really want to use for my project, but I need something that's close to ready-for-prime-time, and I've been waiting literally years for PB, so in the meantime I'm looking at other candidates. I would definitely prefer a "twistable" technology -- i.e., one for which some kind of async adapter can be written from twisted -- and also one that has bindings for other languages (mainly Java, since my organization is Java-heavy). I've dismissed the idea of CORBA -- although one or more of the python orbs is probably twistable, CORBA has such a negative image that I'd probably have to lie about using it, and it does have lots of weird baggage. [Aside: I always liked Bill Janssen's ILU (how could you not like a distributed object system that had bindings for both python and lisp??) and I was sad to see it go. Interesting that Bill is now in the Python community.] Over the weekend I read the docs for ICE (http://www.zeroc.com/), sort of a streamlined, WAN-optimized CORBA. It has nice features, and even support for (threaded) async operations which seems (to my novice understanding) twistable. But its type system and python binding seem very unpythonic to me, based on lots of C++-isms, etc. Ugh. I just today discovered "json-rpc", which looks pretty cool. I currently use xml-rpc in my twisted app, and I've thought that json would be a neat replacement for xml (more concise + very pythonic syntax so probably *way* more efficient python marshalling/unmarshalling). And someone finally did it -- great! Has anyone here experimented with it? Anyone thought about twistifying it? If not, I might take a stab (I'd start by looking at what Itamar [I think] did with xml-rpc). Cheers, Steve