I've been off-list for a while, but I am back. As the original author of Trial, I still feel partly responsible for it. So, I would like to become the official maintainer of Trial again.

Would you like to describe what Trial is? I have no clue and don't know where to find those clues either. Tim

On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:47:58 -0700, Jonathan Lange wrote:

Hello Everyone.

I've been off-list for a while, but I am back. As the original author of Trial, I still feel partly responsible for it. So, I would like to become the official maintainer of Trial again.

I am _not_ planning on re-writing Trial. Rather, I'm going to restrict myself to fixing bugs, doing incremental refactorings to clean-up the cruft and rejecting ideas for new features.

I've asked Jonathan Simms (slyphon) whether he would mind. He is more than happy for me to assume the mantle of Trial maintainer.

Let me know if there are any objections. Otherwise, start assigning trial bugs to me by default.

I'd like to talk about any big changes you'd like to make before you make them. Trial has recently almost become just barely usable, and I'd like to keep it from slipping back at all. Also, there is some major refactoring/rewriting that is definitely required. If you don't want to tackle these, that's fine, but someone's going to have to. Jp

I believe the main direction that Trial has to go in, to wit, removing all reactor-spinning calls, requires first that all Twisted unit tests which call wait() or deferredResult() or the like be converted to instead return Deferreds.

There's a couple of files in twisted.trial, doctest.py and tdoctest.py . The first looks like a patched version of the stdlib one. What about present and/or future support for writing tests in doctest format? -- Nicola Larosa - nico@tekNico.net PHP is such a load of crap, right down to the standard library, that it creates a culture where it's acceptable to write horrible code. [...] Maybe with PHP 5 they are trying to clean up the neighborhood, but that doesn't change the fact when you program in PHP you are programming in a dump. -- Ian Bicking, July 2005

On Mon, Aug 22, 2005, Tim Terlegård wrote:

Would you like to describe what Trial is? I have no clue and don't know where to find those clues either.

It's the Twisted unit testing framework. API documentation is available at [1] What other documentation there is seems to be in the Testing Standard HOWTO at [2] -Mary [1] http://twistedmatrix.com/documents/current/api/twisted.trial.html [2] http://twistedmatrix.com/projects/core/documentation/howto/policy/test-stand...

On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:59:48 +0200, Nicola Larosa wrote:

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I believe the main direction that Trial has to go in, to wit, removing all reactor-spinning calls, requires first that all Twisted unit tests which call wait() or deferredResult() or the like be converted to instead return Deferreds.

There's a couple of files in twisted.trial, doctest.py and tdoctest.py . The first looks like a patched version of the stdlib one. What about present and/or future support for writing tests in doctest format?

It's a mess. I think it should be removed. A future version of trial might have support added in a more maintainable fashion. Jp