Hi all,

I like Britton's suggestion the most so far.  I'd like to look at .particles and .fluid as wrappers around the current infrastructures, rather than a replacement.  (Just saw matt's response come in, which is also in line with this).  That way we can provide a method for the user to specify (Jeez, busy list, just got Nathan's response!) multiple fluids.  This would allow for something like obj.fluid['default']['DivV'] and obj.fluid['dust']['DivV'] and it would know which velocities to pick up for each.  I think I better send my response now, as I just got Jeff's +1!.  Anyways, I think this is looking good.  We can mandate the frontend specifying a "default" or have a method of fallbacks.  

I'll jump on the +1 bandwagon.

Sam

On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Britton Smith <brittonsmith@gmail.com> wrote:
I think there is a lot of value to not having yt 3.0 be jarring to users when they are introduced to it.  I think we are wrestling with a trade-off between drawing technical distinctions and not making for a difficult transition for the user, as well as those that work on this.

So far, yt does a pretty good job figuring out on its own the nature of the field that's being requested.  I propose that we have both obj.fluid['whatever'] and obj.particles['whatever'] as means of explicitly stating the type of field being requested, but that we also allow for obj['whatever'] and let yt try to figure it out first.  If yt can't figure out what type of field it's being asked to get, it can throw an exception and ask for specific direction.

Would this satisfy people?

Britton


On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Stephen Skory <s@skory.us> wrote:
Hi all,

I've been thinking about things, and this actually dovetails onto
Chris' comments as well, I think. The way I see it, in order to get to
data from a dataset, here are the abstract levels yt goes through:

1. Dataset Identifier (pf)
2. Data Container (pf.obj)
3. Data Type (particles, fluid)
4. Data Type Class (POPIII, interpolated fluid)
5. Data Type Specific Data ("x", "particle_position_x")

What we're struggling with is where to put level #3 in our syntax. As
we currently have it, it's done at the finest level with the
generalized dict access for a specific thing (dd["x"],
dd["ParticleMass"], dd["DerivedField"]), and yt works out the rest. I
don't know if I myself like this idea, but we might want to consider
putting the Data Type specification up higher. For example we could
have Data Type-specific data containers (dd_fluid =
pf.h.all_data("fluid")). Or, I like this even less, but it's
conceivable that there could be a Data Type-specific load (pf_parts =
load("DD1234", "particles").

I'm not making any suggestions here, I just want to see if anyone sees
any benefit from changing the level at which Data Type is specified?
Feel free to say "no, stupidest idea since lawn darts." I'm not
convinced it isn't.

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