Geoffrey,

(1) How much data are read/written by program ? - After all the particles (3200^3 of them) are read in they are linked with a fortran KDtree if they satisfy some conditions.

(2) How many parallel readers/writers are used by program ? - It is reading using 512 cores from my submission script.  The amount of write to disk depends on the distribution of the particle haloes across processors, if they exist across processors then there will be more files written out by write_particle_lists. (3) Do you use MPI_IO ? or something else ? - Yes, the program uses mpi4py-1.2.2 installed in my home directory The details of the code can be found at: http://yt-project.org/doc/analysis_modules/running_halofinder.html#halo-find... under the section "Parallel HOP"

The main thing you got wrong is that we do not use MPI_IO. The IO is done primarily through a custom HDF5 reader written in C, and each thread does its own reading. The issue that Pragnesh is probably seeing, and what Geoffrey alludes to, is how load balancing is done. Because of the details of how Enzo stores its data, it is difficult to know where to send the data for load balancing it without reading it all in, first. Out of convenience, once the layout is established, the data is read in again (instead of distributed via communication), this time by the tasks that have been assigned the data. Furthermore, the data as assigned may come from several files, meaning that each task will be opening/closing multiple files multiple times. If all these IO calls are causing a problem, I could see about putting in some kind of IO wait (configurable by the user) that basically slows down the reading part of the process. p.s. Geoffrey - what is the cosmological size of your box? If it's above about 300 Mpc/h, load balancing is probably not necessary, which should roughly half the IO required. -- Stephen Skory s@skory.us http://stephenskory.com/ 510.621.3687 (google voice)

Hi Geoffery, Have you tried increasing those two environment variables in your batch script? I've seen the same warnings and failures on pleaides with enzo, and I've been able to avoid them by increasing them to export MPI_BUFS_PER_PROC=64 export MPI_BUFS_PER_HOST=256 John On 09/23/2011 02:12 PM, Geoffrey So wrote:

Hi Stephen, Pragneshkumar

Let me know if I should move this discussion off the yt-dev list.

The box size is only 80 Mpc or 56 Mpc/h, so load balancing probably help with peak memory more than hinder, but could still try turning it off.

Would decreasing the amount of cores alleviate some of the symptoms? Or would that just increase the computation time too much? I haven't done any scaling tests on the parallelHF.

Incidentally, I've killed the job after seeing the following error, looks like mpi was having some buffer trouble, which could be caused by the heavy IO?: . . .

MPI WARNING: Could not allocate an internal buffer in the last 30 seconds on rank 503. Try increasing MPI_BUFS_PER_PROC and/or MPI_BUFS_PER_HOST. MPI WARNING: Could not allocate an internal buffer in the last 30 seconds on rank 505. Try increasing MPI_BUFS_PER_PROC and/or MPI_BUFS_PER_HOST. MPI WARNING: Could not allocate an internal buffer in the last 30 seconds on rank 509. Try increasing MPI_BUFS_PER_PROC and/or MPI_BUFS_PER_HOST. MPI WARNING: Could not allocate an internal buffer in the last 30 seconds on rank 511. Try increasing MPI_BUFS_PER_PROC and/or MPI_BUFS_PER_HOST. Traceback (most recent call last): File "ParallelHaloProfiler.py", line 17, in <module> rearrange=True, safety=1.5, premerge=True) File "/nics/b/home/gsiisg/NautilusYT/src/yt-hg/yt/analysis_modules/halo_finding/halo_objects.py", line 1861, in __init__ root_points = self._subsample_points() File "/nics/b/home/gsiisg/NautilusYT/src/yt-hg/yt/analysis_modules/halo_finding/halo_objects.py", line 1991, in _subsample_points root_points = self._mpi_concatenate_array_on_root_double(my_points[0]) File "/nics/b/home/gsiisg/NautilusYT/src/yt-hg/yt/utilities/parallel_tools/parallel_analysis_interface.py", line 187, in passage return func(self, data) File "/nics/b/home/gsiisg/NautilusYT/src/yt-hg/yt/utilities/parallel_tools/parallel_analysis_interface.py", line 794, in _mpi_concatenate_array_on_root_double data = na.concatenate((data, new_data)) ValueError: negative dimensions are not allowed

Can I get a refund of the SU on that job?

From G.S.

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Stephen Skory mailto:s@skory.us> wrote:

Geoffrey,

> (1) How much data are read/written by program ? > - After all the particles (3200^3 of them) are read in they are linked with > a fortran KDtree if they satisfy some conditions. > > (2) How many parallel readers/writers are used by program ? > - It is reading using 512 cores from my submission script. The amount of > write to disk depends on the distribution of the particle haloes across > processors, if they exist across processors then there will be more files > written out by write_particle_lists. > (3) Do you use MPI_IO ? or something else ? > - Yes, the program uses mpi4py-1.2.2 installed in my home directory > The details of the code can be found at: > http://yt-project.org/doc/analysis_modules/running_halofinder.html#halo-find... > under the section "Parallel HOP"

The main thing you got wrong is that we do not use MPI_IO. The IO is done primarily through a custom HDF5 reader written in C, and each thread does its own reading.

The issue that Pragnesh is probably seeing, and what Geoffrey alludes to, is how load balancing is done. Because of the details of how Enzo stores its data, it is difficult to know where to send the data for load balancing it without reading it all in, first. Out of convenience, once the layout is established, the data is read in again (instead of distributed via communication), this time by the tasks that have been assigned the data. Furthermore, the data as assigned may come from several files, meaning that each task will be opening/closing multiple files multiple times.

If all these IO calls are causing a problem, I could see about putting in some kind of IO wait (configurable by the user) that basically slows down the reading part of the process.

p.s. Geoffrey - what is the cosmological size of your box? If it's above about 300 Mpc/h, load balancing is probably not necessary, which should roughly half the IO required.

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