From: Nathan Goldbaum <nathan12343@gmail.com>Subject: Re: [yt-users] install failureDate: September 28, 2014 at 21:38:36 EDTTo: Mordecai-Mark Mac Low <mordecai@amnh.org>Cc: <teuben@astro.umd.edu>In your original message you said that you were using activate.csh - can you under bash with the bash activate script?When you say "on startup", can you copy/paste a session where the error happens? Are you saying that python is failing to start or do you get the abort error when you import yt?On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Mordecai-Mark Mac Low <mordecai@amnh.org> wrote:I’m taking this off the general list for the moment…I have replaced readline with gnureadline as you suggested, and that does eliminate the error during installation (see https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31830722/yt_install-v2.log). Unfortunately, it doesn’t change the behavior on startup: Abort, with no further errors.At Peter Teuben’s suggestion, I also ran dtruss on this, but he saw nothing obviously wrong — just a whole lot of files being opened (around 900 at his estimate).- MordecaiOn Sep 28, 2014, at 20:45, Nathan Goldbaum <nathan12343@gmail.com> wrote:---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Nathan Goldbaum <nathan12343@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [yt-users] install failure
To: Discussion of the yt analysis package <yt-users@lists.spacepope.org>So looking at the install log, it's actually the install script that's trying to build readline, right here: https://bitbucket.org/yt_analysis/yt/src/4cf5c5369df9b012759ab979330d8e356d1b0e00/doc/install_script.sh?at=yt#cl-987I'm actually able to reproduce this on my OSX Mavericks laptop when I do "pip install readline". It seems that the readline package on pypi hasn't been updated since 2012: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/readline.I never noticed this issue because I use homebrew's python, and homebrew links against the gnu readline library when they build python.It seems the gnureadline package has supplanted the old readline package: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/gnureadlineI've gone ahead and created a pull request to make the install script install gnureadline instead of readline: https://bitbucket.org/yt_analysis/yt/pull-request/1225/install-gnureadline-package-since-readline/diffYou can probably just modify your local copy of the install script to use "pip install gnureadline" instead of "pip install readline".Hope that fixes your issue, thanks very much for the report.-NathanOn Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Mordecai-Mark Mac Low <mordecai@amnh.org> wrote:Nathan,
I’ve posted the full install log to
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31830722/yt_install.log
It does look like ipython is trying to compile readline.
I have the regular Mac Python installation, but would have to learn anaconda or canopy before using them for an installation, which I was hoping to avoid for the moment by using the install script.
Best,
Mordecai
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> Hi Mordecai,
>
> We've had some reports about incompatibilities with the install script on
> OS X Mavericks recently, but I don't think this error has been reported
> before. Unfortunately getting the install script to work portably in all
> cases is a labor of love and sometimes errors like these crop up.
>
> Googling for your error returns this discussion on the readline mailing
> list: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-readline/2013-12/msg00002.html.
> Apparently the version you're compiling needs to be patched to compile
> cleanly on mavericks. I haven't checked whether the patch has made its way
> into a readline release.
>
> I'm not sure what exactly is compiling readline (IPython maybe?), but
> earlier in the install script we should have installed a pure-python
> version of the readline library from pypi if we were unable to import it.
> It would help to figure out what went wrong if you could upload the full
> install log somewhere.
>
> Do you have a python environment setup on your laptop already? It's very
> straightforward to install yt using anaconda, canopy, or a manually
> configured python environment, bypassing all the bootstrapping that the
> install script must do. Take a look at the following page in the
> documentation:
>
> http://yt-project.org/doc/installing.html#installing-yt-using-anaconda
> http://yt-project.org/doc/installing.html#installing-yt-using-pip-or-from-source
>
> Hope that's helpful.
>
> -Nathan
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Mordecai-Mark Mac Low <mordecai@amnh.org>
> wrote:> URL: <http://lists.spacepope.org/pipermail/yt-users-spacepope.org/attachments/20140928/d7562d47/attachment.htm>
>
>> Hi, I am having a fatal problem installing yt on my MacBook Pro running OS
>> X v10.9.4. I am using the install script, with the options set as follows:
>>
>>
>> # Here's where you put the HDF5 path if you like; otherwise it'll download
>> it
>> # and install it on its own
>> #HDF5_DIR=/opt/local/lib
>>
>> # If you need to supply arguments to the NumPy or SciPy build, supply them
>> here
>> # This one turns on gfortran manually:
>> #NUMPY_ARGS="--fcompiler=gnu95"
>> # If you absolutely can't get the fortran to work, try this:
>> #NUMPY_ARGS="--fcompiler=fake"
>>
>> INST_HG=0 # Install Mercurial or not? If hg is not already
>> # installed, yt cannot be installed.
>> INST_ZLIB=1 # On some systems (Kraken) matplotlib has issues with
>> # the system zlib, which is compiled statically.
>> # If need be, you can turn this off.
>> INST_BZLIB=1 # On some systems, libbzip2 is missing. This can
>> # lead to broken mercurial installations.
>> INST_PNG=1 # Install a local libpng? Same things apply as with zlib.
>> INST_FTYPE=1 # Install FreeType2 locally?
>> INST_ENZO=0 # Clone a copy of Enzo?
>> INST_SQLITE3=1 # Install a local version of SQLite3?
>> INST_PYX=1 # Install PyX? Sometimes PyX can be problematic without a
>> # working TeX installation.
>> INST_0MQ=1 # Install 0mq (for IPython) and affiliated bindings?
>> INST_ROCKSTAR=1 # Install the Rockstar halo finder?
>> INST_SCIPY=0 # Install scipy?
>>
>>
>> After downloading and activating Xcode command line tools, I got the
>> script to complete successfully. I activated it using the activate.csh
>> script.
>>
>> However, when I then try to start yt, it pauses for 30 seconds or so, and
>> then issues the response ?Abort?, with no further errors. I get the same
>> response if I try to import yt into the python (running in the yt
>> environment). Abort, and return to the command line.
>>
>> I have tried erasing the yt-x86_64 directory and reinstalling from
>> scratch, with no change in behavior. I also examined the yt_install.log.
>> I found a number of, presumably irrelevant, errors in the configuration
>> tests, but also an error at the end of the long section on building Ipython
>> (almost at the end of the script, just before readline assembly that looks
>> possibly relevant:
>>
>> gcc -dynamic -arch i386 -arch x86_64 -arch_only `/usr/bin/arch`
>> -install_name /usr/local/lib/libreadline.6.2.dylib -current_version 6.2
>> -compatibility_version 6 -v -o libreadline.6.2.dylib readline.so vi_mode.so
>> funmap.so keymaps.so parens.so search.so rltty.so complete.so bind.so
>> isearch.so display.so signals.so util.so kill.so undo.so macro.so input.so
>> callback.so terminal.so text.so nls.so misc.so xmalloc.so xfree.so
>> history.so histexpand.so histfile.so histsearch.so shell.so mbutil.so
>> tilde.so compat.so -lncurses
>> Apple LLVM version 6.0 (clang-600.0.51) (based on LLVM 3.5svn)
>> Target: x86_64-apple-darwin13.3.0
>> Thread model: posix
>> clang: error: invalid argument '-compatibility_version 6' only allowed
>> with '-dynamiclib'
>> clang: error: invalid argument '-compatibility_version 6' only allowed
>> with '-dynamiclib'
>> make[1]: *** [libreadline.6.2.dylib] Error 1
>> make: [shared] Error 2 (ignored)
>>
>> Any insight on how to proceed?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Mordecai
>>
>>
>> --
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>> +1-212-496-3443 Department of Astrophysics
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> Hi Mordecai,
>
> Depending on what you want to do with yt, if you need the latest build or
> not, but I've had success on Mac with the anaconda distribution of python
> which includes yt-3.0. https://store.continuum.io/cshop/anaconda/.
>
>
> Ari
>
>
>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 12:14:04 -0700
>> From: Nathan Goldbaum <nathan12343@gmail.com>
>> To: Discussion of the yt analysis package
>> <yt-users@lists.spacepope.org>
>> Subject: Re: [yt-users] ProfilePlot in YT-3.0
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>> On Sunday, September 28, 2014, John Regan <johnanthonyregan@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Nathan,
>>>
>>> Thanks for that. I'll have a look at what helper functions would be
>> useful
>>> as I use the ProfilePlot routine and I can issue a PR then. I think it
>>> would be worth updating the docs with info like you just sent me.
>>>
>>
>> Again, please feel free to open a pull request.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Nathan Goldbaum <nathan12343@gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nathan12343@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi John,
>>>>
>>>> ProfilePlot is a wrapper around the Profile1D class, which calculates
>> and
>>>> stores the histograms. To access the underlying data you need to access
>>>> the profile object via the profiles attribute of the ProfilePlot:
>>>>
>>>> import yt
>>>> ds = yt.load('IsolatedGalaxy/galaxy0030/galaxy0030')
>>>> plot = yt.ProfilePlot(ds.all_data(), 'radius', 'density')
>>>> profile = plot.profiles[0]
>>>> print profile.x_field, profile.x
>>>> print profile.field_data.keys(), profile['density']
>>>>
>>>> There are probably a number of ways that the current API can be improved
>>>> to make it more straightforward to access this data. PRs along this
>> front
>>>> would be very welcome, I think.
>>>>
>>>> -Nathan
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 1:05 AM, John Regan <johnanthonyregan@gmail.com
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','johnanthonyregan@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> HI All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there an easy way to access the x_field and the y_fields in the
>>>>> ProfilePlot function?
>>>>>
>>>>> So for example
>>>>>
>>>>> prof = ProfilePlot(sphere, "radius", "density")
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> print prof.x_field
>>>>> print prof.y_field[0]
>>>>>
>>>>> I inserted a couple of hack functions into the ProfilePlot class to
>>>>> return the x_field and the .items() tuple but there is probably a
>> better
>>>>> way?
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
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>> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 15:36:55 -0400
>> From: Mordecai-Mark Mac Low <mordecai@amnh.org>
>> To: <yt-users@lists.spacepope.org>
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>> Hi, I am having a fatal problem installing yt on my MacBook Pro running OS
>> X v10.9.4. I am using the install script, with the options set as follows:
>>
>>
>> # Here's where you put the HDF5 path if you like; otherwise it'll download
>> it
>> # and install it on its own
>> #HDF5_DIR=/opt/local/lib
>>
>> # If you need to supply arguments to the NumPy or SciPy build, supply them
>> here
>> # This one turns on gfortran manually:
>> #NUMPY_ARGS="--fcompiler=gnu95"
>> # If you absolutely can't get the fortran to work, try this:
>> #NUMPY_ARGS="--fcompiler=fake"
>>
>> INST_HG=0 # Install Mercurial or not? If hg is not already
>> # installed, yt cannot be installed.
>> INST_ZLIB=1 # On some systems (Kraken) matplotlib has issues with
>> # the system zlib, which is compiled statically.
>> # If need be, you can turn this off.
>> INST_BZLIB=1 # On some systems, libbzip2 is missing. This can
>> # lead to broken mercurial installations.
>> INST_PNG=1 # Install a local libpng? Same things apply as with zlib.
>> INST_FTYPE=1 # Install FreeType2 locally?
>> INST_ENZO=0 # Clone a copy of Enzo?
>> INST_SQLITE3=1 # Install a local version of SQLite3?
>> INST_PYX=1 # Install PyX? Sometimes PyX can be problematic without a
>> # working TeX installation.
>> INST_0MQ=1 # Install 0mq (for IPython) and affiliated bindings?
>> INST_ROCKSTAR=1 # Install the Rockstar halo finder?
>> INST_SCIPY=0 # Install scipy?
>>
>>
>> After downloading and activating Xcode command line tools, I got the
>> script to complete successfully. I activated it using the activate.csh
>> script.
>>
>> However, when I then try to start yt, it pauses for 30 seconds or so, and
>> then issues the response ?Abort?, with no further errors. I get the same
>> response if I try to import yt into the python (running in the yt
>> environment). Abort, and return to the command line.
>>
>> I have tried erasing the yt-x86_64 directory and reinstalling from
>> scratch, with no change in behavior. I also examined the yt_install.log.
>> I found a number of, presumably irrelevant, errors in the configuration
>> tests, but also an error at the end of the long section on building Ipython
>> (almost at the end of the script, just before readline assembly that looks
>> possibly relevant:
>>
>> gcc -dynamic -arch i386 -arch x86_64 -arch_only `/usr/bin/arch`
>> -install_name /usr/local/lib/libreadline.6.2.dylib -current_version 6.2
>> -compatibility_version 6 -v -o libreadline.6.2.dylib readline.so vi_mode.so
>> funmap.so keymaps.so parens.so search.so rltty.so complete.so bind.so
>> isearch.so display.so signals.so util.so kill.so undo.so macro.so input.so
>> callback.so terminal.so text.so nls.so misc.so xmalloc.so xfree.so
>> history.so histexpand.so histfile.so histsearch.so shell.so mbutil.so
>> tilde.so compat.so -lncurses
>> Apple LLVM version 6.0 (clang-600.0.51) (based on LLVM 3.5svn)
>> Target: x86_64-apple-darwin13.3.0
>> Thread model: posix
>> clang: error: invalid argument '-compatibility_version 6' only allowed
>> with '-dynamiclib'
>> clang: error: invalid argument '-compatibility_version 6' only allowed
>> with '-dynamiclib'
>> make[1]: *** [libreadline.6.2.dylib] Error 1
>> make: [shared] Error 2 (ignored)
>>
>> Any insight on how to proceed?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Mordecai
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mordecai-Mark Mac Low Curator & Professor
>> +1-212-496-3443 Department of Astrophysics
>> +1-212-769-5007 (fax) American Museum of Natural History
>> mmaclow (Skype, Hangout) 79th St at CPW, NY, NY, 10024-5192, USA
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>> Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 16:30:01 -0400
>> From: Peter Teuben <teuben@astro.umd.edu>
>> To: yt-users@lists.spacepope.org
>> Subject: Re: [yt-users] install failure
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>>
>> just "abort" usually tells me it can't find enough memory while loading
>> the executable.
>> I assume you got plenty of that.
>>
>> On linux I would then use 'strace' to see if the kernel tells me more.
>> And the ldd
>> command to see what shared libs it might need.
>>
>> On a mac, there appears to be the dtruss command for strace. Me and Mac
>> appear
>> to be in a continues state of dislike, all I got was
>> dtrace: failed to initialize dtrace: DTrace requires additional
>> privileges
>> so I'm sure somebody can tell me what that means (I don't have admin on
>> that mac)
>>
>> peter
>>
>>
>> On 09/28/2014 03:36 PM, Mordecai-Mark Mac Low wrote:
>>> Hi, I am having a fatal problem installing yt on my MacBook Pro
>>> running OS X v10.9.4. I am using the install script, with the options
>>> set as follows:
>>>
>>>
>>> # Here's where you put the HDF5 path if you like; otherwise it'll
>>> download it
>>> # and install it on its own
>>> #HDF5_DIR=/opt/local/lib
>>>
>>> # If you need to supply arguments to the NumPy or SciPy build, supply
>>> them here
>>> # This one turns on gfortran manually:
>>> #NUMPY_ARGS="--fcompiler=gnu95"
>>> # If you absolutely can't get the fortran to work, try this:
>>> #NUMPY_ARGS="--fcompiler=fake"
>>>
>>> INST_HG=0 # Install Mercurial or not? If hg is not already
>>> # installed, yt cannot be installed.
>>> INST_ZLIB=1 # On some systems (Kraken) matplotlib has issues with
>>> # the system zlib, which is compiled statically.
>>> # If need be, you can turn this off.
>>> INST_BZLIB=1 # On some systems, libbzip2 is missing. This can
>>> # lead to broken mercurial installations.
>>> INST_PNG=1 # Install a local libpng? Same things apply as with
>> zlib.
>>> INST_FTYPE=1 # Install FreeType2 locally?
>>> INST_ENZO=0 # Clone a copy of Enzo?
>>> INST_SQLITE3=1 # Install a local version of SQLite3?
>>> INST_PYX=1 # Install PyX? Sometimes PyX can be problematic without
>> a
>>> # working TeX installation.
>>> INST_0MQ=1 # Install 0mq (for IPython) and affiliated bindings?
>>> INST_ROCKSTAR=1 # Install the Rockstar halo finder?
>>> INST_SCIPY=0 # Install scipy?
>>>
>>>
>>> After downloading and activating Xcode command line tools, I got the
>>> script to complete successfully. I activated it using the activate.csh
>>> script.
>>>
>>> However, when I then try to start yt, it pauses for 30 seconds or so,
>>> and then issues the response ?Abort?, with no further errors. I get
>>> the same response if I try to import yt into the python (running in
>>> the yt environment). Abort, and return to the command line.
>>>
>>> I have tried erasing the yt-x86_64 directory and reinstalling from
>>> scratch, with no change in behavior. I also examined the
>>> yt_install.log. I found a number of, presumably irrelevant, errors in
>>> the configuration tests, but also an error at the end of the long
>>> section on building Ipython (almost at the end of the script, just
>>> before readline assembly that looks possibly relevant:
>>>
>>> gcc -dynamic -arch i386 -arch x86_64 -arch_only `/usr/bin/arch`
>>> -install_name /usr/local/lib/libreadline.6.2.dylib -current_version
>>> 6.2 -compatibility_version 6 -v -o libreadline.6.2.dylib readline.so
>>> vi_mode.so funmap.so keymaps.so parens.so search.so rltty.so
>>> complete.so bind.so isearch.so display.so signals.so util.so kill.so
>>> undo.so macro.so input.so callback.so terminal.so text.so nls.so
>>> misc.so xmalloc.so xfree.so history.so histexpand.so histfile.so
>>> histsearch.so shell.so mbutil.so tilde.so compat.so -lncurses
>>> Apple LLVM version 6.0 (clang-600.0.51) (based on LLVM 3.5svn)
>>> Target: x86_64-apple-darwin13.3.0
>>> Thread model: posix
>>> clang: error: invalid argument '-compatibility_version 6' only
>>> allowed with '-dynamiclib'
>>> clang: error: invalid argument '-compatibility_version 6' only
>>> allowed with '-dynamiclib'
>>> make[1]: *** [libreadline.6.2.dylib] Error 1
>>> make: [shared] Error 2 (ignored)
>>>
>>> Any insight on how to proceed?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Mordecai
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mordecai-Mark Mac Low Curator & Professor
>>> +1-212-496-3443 Department of Astrophysics
>>> +1-212-769-5007 (fax) American Museum of Natural History
>>> mmaclow (Skype, Hangout) 79th St at CPW, NY, NY, 10024-5192, USA
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+1-212-496-3443 Department of Astrophysics
+1-212-769-5007 (fax) American Museum of Natural History
mmaclow (Skype, Hangout) 79th St at CPW, NY, NY, 10024-5192, USA