From catherine.devlin at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 16:38:42 2007 From: catherine.devlin at gmail.com (Catherine Devlin) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 10:38:42 -0500 Subject: [python-advocacy] Slide deck for introductory talk Message-ID: <6523e39a0702010738i5eeabf4x467ed058faa92460@mail.gmail.com> Michael, Aside from its use at PyCon, would you consider making your slides available to the Python community in general, to be archived in places like http://advocacy.python.org/ ? I've often thought that the Python community could use a ready-to-go slide deck for a basic introduction. I've considered giving a local "intro to Python" presentation - heck, the local Perl Mongers group has been *nagging me to* - but I haven't had time to put together a good slide deck. If I could just grab an existing introductory talk, practice it, and go - I could start presenting right away. I'll bet we could find people in many cities who could do the same thing. Is there a "standard" Intro to Python slide deck out there already that I'm simply unaware of? "If you died today, are you 100% certain that your successor could read and maintain your code?" On 1/31/07, Michael Tobis wrote: [originally to edu-sig and pycon-organizers, not advocacy at python.org] > I guess it's a bit late to try to put this together, but is there any > interest in putting together a Python for Newbies presentation at PyCon for > friends and family? > > I have a two-hour presentation I've given a few times, so it would not > take much prep for me to do this. It has some nice features, in that it > gives people the flavor of programming in just one session. > -- - Catherine http://catherinedevlin.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/advocacy/attachments/20070201/a1e0b541/attachment.htm From mtobis at gmail.com Thu Feb 1 16:47:28 2007 From: mtobis at gmail.com (Michael Tobis) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 09:47:28 -0600 Subject: [python-advocacy] Slide deck for introductory talk In-Reply-To: <6523e39a0702010738i5eeabf4x467ed058faa92460@mail.gmail.com> References: <6523e39a0702010738i5eeabf4x467ed058faa92460@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: This is a good suggestion. I will certainly try to make what I have available. Maybe a webcast is in order. Note however, that its intent is as an intro to programming using Python, not as an intro to Python itself, and especially NOT as an intro to Python suitable for Perlmongers. Indeed, Python for Perlmongers and Python for Javanauts and Python for C++ gurus and Python for FoxPro hackers and Python for Fortran victims might all be somewhat different. You have to "reset your brain" differently in each case. However, they will not differ as much among each other as Python for rank beginners. mt On 2/1/07, Catherine Devlin wrote: > > Michael, > > Aside from its use at PyCon, would you consider making your slides > available to the Python community in general, to be archived in places like http://advocacy.python.org/ > ? > > I've often thought that the Python community could use a ready-to-go slide > deck for a basic introduction. I've considered giving a local "intro to > Python" presentation - heck, the local Perl Mongers group has been *nagging > me to* - but I haven't had time to put together a good slide deck. If I > could just grab an existing introductory talk, practice it, and go - I could > start presenting right away. I'll bet we could find people in many cities > who could do the same thing. > > Is there a "standard" Intro to Python slide deck out there already that > I'm simply unaware of? > > "If you died today, are you 100% certain that your successor could read > and maintain your code?" > > On 1/31/07, Michael Tobis wrote: [originally to edu-sig > and pycon-organizers, not advocacy at python.org] > > > I guess it's a bit late to try to put this together, but is there any > > interest in putting together a Python for Newbies presentation at PyCon for > > friends and family? > > > > I have a two-hour presentation I've given a few times, so it would not > > take much prep for me to do this. It has some nice features, in that it > > gives people the flavor of programming in just one session. > > > > -- > - Catherine > http://catherinedevlin.blogspot.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/advocacy/attachments/20070201/3db10416/attachment.html From jeff at taupro.com Fri Feb 2 14:09:38 2007 From: jeff at taupro.com (Jeff Rush) Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 07:09:38 -0600 Subject: [python-advocacy] About PyCamp - a Regional Python Unconference Message-ID: <45C33812.1070800@taupro.com> A week or so ago, the Dallas and Houston Python User Groups met online in a chat room, to discuss the possibility of a regional Python conference. There was interest on all sides. Some of the Dallas members had recently attended their second BarCamp (http://barcamp.org), defined as an ad-hoc gathering born from the desire for people to share and learn in an open environment. From this interaction as well as the realization, after the Dallas group hosted PyCon in 2006 and will again in 2007, that a conference is a *lot* of work, we decided to try the idea of running an "unconference". An unconference (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconference) is a conference where the content of the sessions is driven and created by the participants, generally day-by-day during the course of the event, rather than by a single organizer, or small group of organizers, in advance. And tossing around some names, we decided upon "PyCamp". There is much to be discussed re dates, location and how it will operate, so I set up the website: http://pycamp.python.org/ and a Mailman instance for mailing lists at: http://pycamp.python.org/lists/ The rough idea is to hold a Texas-wide unconference, perhaps sometimes in August and near Austin. There was also the idea of holding a rotating unconference that moves between Dallas, Austin and Houston, say twice a year. To minimize the impact on participant (not attendee - this is an unconference after all where you are expected to get involved) schedules, it was suggested we hold it over a weekend. We'd meet for dinner/drinks on a Friday evening, hold our talks at some hotel on Saturday and early Sunday, and then travel home Sunday evening. You'll notice that I keep saying "maybe", "suggested" and other weasel words above. This is because I'm not the conference chair (thankfully) and we're not imposing the schedule/rules. Ralph Green of Dallas has volunteered to wrangle the project and website, and is one of those who has attended a BarCamp. We need the creative energy and participation by members of all Python User Groups in Texas and invite you to join the Texas PyCamp mailing list (see above URL). Oh, and we didn't want to be the only ones having fun, so the PyCamp URL, wiki and mailing lists are available to other states or regions than Texas. Hopefully we can start a movement toward regional PyCamp Unconferences everywhere. If you're unfortunate enough to not live in Texas, drop me an email and I'll set you up your own regional section of the PyCamp site. Jump in and let's talk. And with PyCon rapidly approaching, we'd like to meet face-to-face with kindred spirits there. I'll make sure it gets on the conference schedule. Jeff Rush Python Advocacy Coordinator Dallas-Ft. Worth Pythoneers Coordinator PyCon 2007 Co-Chair From amk at amk.ca Sat Feb 3 14:23:05 2007 From: amk at amk.ca (A.M. Kuchling) Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 08:23:05 -0500 Subject: [python-advocacy] About PyCamp - a Regional Python Unconference In-Reply-To: <45C33812.1070800@taupro.com> References: <45C33812.1070800@taupro.com> Message-ID: <20070203132305.GA23729@andrew-kuchlings-computer.local> On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 07:09:38AM -0600, Jeff Rush wrote: > From this interaction as well as the realization, after the Dallas group > hosted PyCon in 2006 and will again in 2007, that a conference is a *lot* > of work, we decided to try the idea of running an "unconference". After PyCon (maybe *long* after PyCon :) ), I'd also like to run an unconference somewhere on the East Coast. Part of the motivation is that conferences are fun, but formal ones like PyCon are a fair bit of work. I also think we'd benefit from more frequent sprints, and a network of smaller regional conferences would be a good way to foster that. --amk From tennessee at tennessee.id.au Fri Feb 9 04:13:09 2007 From: tennessee at tennessee.id.au (Tennessee Leeuwenburg) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 14:13:09 +1100 Subject: [python-advocacy] Python Papers second issue now available! Message-ID: <43c8685c0702081913pcfa5398pf9b2781a5994e4be@mail.gmail.com> G'day Pythonistas! Welcome to Issue Two of The Python Papers. It has been an exciting time and we are pleased to have reached this milestone. I'd like to say a big hello to all the people who have provided their input in making this a reality: the python-advocacy list, comp.lang.python, the Python User Groups that responded to the call to participate and also many individuals. This is also the first issue where we have attempted to publish both a PDF and an HTML edition. Get it here! (http://pythonpapers.cgpublisher.com/product/pub.169/prod.5) Please note the new volume number commences with the calendar year, so the volume number has increased while the issue number is the same as the last issue. The choice of format was clearly an issue for many people on both sides. Going forward, we will continue to use PDF as our primary 'authorative' version for the purposes of page numbering and referencing, however the HTML edition will be made public in a day or two after further editing to cope with conversion effects. Table of Contents: Editorial | Page 1 Python 411 Interview | Page 2 Coding Idioms pt 2 -- Design Patterns | Page 5 Python User Group Highlights | Page 7 Firebird Database Backup by Serialized Database Table Dump | Page 10 Python Events | P15 Cheers, -Tennessee Leeuwenburg (Editor-In-Chief) Posted by Tennessee Leeuwenburg on 2007/02/09 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/advocacy/attachments/20070209/ce78fa58/attachment.htm From tennessee at tennessee.id.au Tue Feb 20 05:14:10 2007 From: tennessee at tennessee.id.au (Tennessee Leeuwenburg) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:14:10 +1100 Subject: [python-advocacy] Python Papers Volume 2, Issue 1 comments Message-ID: <43c8685c0702192014m4e8af1f4j8841f874067fb497@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Many of you provided comments on the last issue of The Python Papers. The new issue has been available for a few days, and I was wondering if people as they read it would be able to provide more valuable feedback. We have tried to meet the demand, and have published an HTML version. In the end, it seems like there is no two-birds-with-one-stone solution to multiformat publishing, and so I had to create the web version manually. I am simply not a web designer, so the HTML is probably insufficient in terms of browser compatibilities etc. However, it was at least readable on both IE and Firefox. Also, I have begun an effort to produce a thorough review of papers published in the last year, to be presented in the next issue. It will probably be quite labour intensive, so if anyone has any nominations, or can contribute a review of a paper, that would be great to know about. I would also love to hear people's comments on the content of the most recent edition... Cheers, -T -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/advocacy/attachments/20070220/e12575e7/attachment.html From surekap at gmail.com Sat Feb 24 15:20:17 2007 From: surekap at gmail.com (Prateek Sureka) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 08:20:17 -0600 Subject: [python-advocacy] Python Advocacy in India Message-ID: <0F6212E1-2F55-4C0F-A9C0-3316F75DE4E9@gmail.com> Hi Jeff, We met yesterday at Pycon after your talk on advocacy. My organization Brainwave (www.brainwavelive.com) does the bulk of its development in Python. Our product is a database+web stack entirely built on Python, for building enterprise web applications. As such we spend a lot of time not only trying to recruit good Python developers but also providing training to our customers (application/ solution development firms like Satyam Computers) and trying to raise awareness for Python in the enterprise. The fact that we have a commercial product and support infrastructure around it enables us to capture the ear and influence IT departments of large corporations and also other medium-large development firms who are still mainly .NET or Java shops. The India development center of Brainwave has been engaged in this effort for some time and so far the biggest problem has been working in isolation. We would like to connect ourselves with the greater Python community and draw on the resources and the existing advocacy engine to further the cause of Python in India. This could include volunteers who are traveling to India who know a lot to offer to hold a lecture/meeting talking about how they used Python, showcasing success stories, organizing code-fests etc etc. We also have the ability to lobby the Indian Institute of Technology and get interns to work on projects of our choice - another area where you may be able to help. Please let me know how we can take things forward. thanks, Prateek Sureka Chief Technology Architect Brainwave LLC ps at brainwavelive.com www.brainwavelive.com From tennessee at tennessee.id.au Tue Feb 27 03:44:04 2007 From: tennessee at tennessee.id.au (Tennessee Leeuwenburg) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:44:04 +1000 Subject: [python-advocacy] Python Advocacy in India In-Reply-To: <0F6212E1-2F55-4C0F-A9C0-3316F75DE4E9@gmail.com> References: <0F6212E1-2F55-4C0F-A9C0-3316F75DE4E9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43c8685c0702261844k9547286g240fc21c38788c9@mail.gmail.com> Dear Prateek Sureka, My name is Tennessee Leeuwenburg. I am the Editor-In-Chief of The Python Papers (http://pythonpapers.org). We are a small team of volunteers working to produce a free, quarterly Python journal including articles, interviews and academic papers among other things. It would be fantastic to make closer ties with groups in different countries. Currently, the editorial board is based entirely in Melbourne, Australia, although we would love to expand to include others. We would love to include content from India. It sounds like you may be interested in working on a profile piece for your organisation which we would be happy to help with and feature in our next edition. It would be fascinating to have some insight into the development processes in India to offer to our readers. If you have something specific in mind, that would be fine. Alternatively, edition two contains some Python User Group articles which you might like to have a look at. Specifically addressing some of your points below -- decreasing the feeling of isolation is one of the key 'mandates' if you will for The Python Papers. Raising the profile of development in India through the journal is a first step -- including regular articles in future editions, and fostering greater involvement would be another. I am sure the greater Python community would have plenty of use for volunteer assistance, but should you be interested, we are also seeking more assistance in creating our journal. Our website is currently undergoing redevelopment, so the information isn't organised as neatly as we would like. However, each edition is available from our homepage (http://pythonpapers.org) and additional resources, such as our "Information for Authors" document, is available from http://archive.pythonpapers.org. Please let me know if you are interested in any of the above situations. With some more thought, we might be able to come up with some more ideas for beneficial co-operation. Your points about having connections with the Indian Institute of Technology and other organisations indicate that a positive response from both myself and as many other people involved in Python advocacy as possible should be a priority. Yours Sincerely, -Tennessee Leeuwenburg (Editor-In-Chief, The Python Papers) On 2/25/07, Prateek Sureka wrote: > > Hi Jeff, > > We met yesterday at Pycon after your talk on advocacy. My > organization Brainwave (www.brainwavelive.com) does the bulk of its > development in Python. > Our product is a database+web stack entirely built on Python, for > building enterprise web applications. > > As such we spend a lot of time not only trying to recruit good Python > developers but also providing training to our customers (application/ > solution development firms like Satyam Computers) and trying to raise > awareness for Python in the enterprise. The fact that we have a > commercial product and support infrastructure around it enables us to > capture the ear and influence IT departments of large corporations > and also other medium-large development firms who are still > mainly .NET or Java shops. > > The India development center of Brainwave has been engaged in this > effort for some time and so far the biggest problem has been working > in isolation. We would like to connect ourselves with the greater > Python community and draw on the resources and the existing advocacy > engine to further the cause of Python in India. This could include > volunteers who are traveling to India who know a lot to offer to hold > a lecture/meeting talking about how they used Python, showcasing > success stories, organizing code-fests etc etc. We also have the > ability to lobby the Indian Institute of Technology and get interns > to work on projects of our choice - another area where you may be > able to help. > > Please let me know how we can take things forward. > > thanks, > > Prateek Sureka > Chief Technology Architect > Brainwave LLC > ps at brainwavelive.com > www.brainwavelive.com > > _______________________________________________ > Advocacy mailing list > Advocacy at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/advocacy/attachments/20070227/9f7525a7/attachment.html From alvinwang at gmail.com Tue Feb 27 07:36:42 2007 From: alvinwang at gmail.com (Alvin Wang) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:36:42 -0800 Subject: [python-advocacy] Pycon Message-ID: <77d044440702262236v42cc166bs9846b960e546a3d8@mail.gmail.com> Pycon was great. I enjoyed the advocacy discussion. One thought I had as I read about the Oscars this morning is that we should offer a Person of the Year for advocacy in Python at Pycon. Project of the Year. New project of the year. Etc. It combines the thanking that we were talking about at Pycon with having something to talk about for Press releases. It could also be a nice icon for the project webpage or personal blog. Pycon doesn't have enough exhibits for a best in show but I was thinking that you could have all the Lightning talks on Friday be new projects. The coolest talk would be named Best of Pycon. -- Alvin Wang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/advocacy/attachments/20070226/8fdf80ce/attachment.htm From goodmansond at gmail.com Tue Feb 27 16:28:47 2007 From: goodmansond at gmail.com (DeanG) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 09:28:47 -0600 Subject: [python-advocacy] Pycon In-Reply-To: <77d044440702262236v42cc166bs9846b960e546a3d8@mail.gmail.com> References: <77d044440702262236v42cc166bs9846b960e546a3d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: One outlet of Person of the Year is the O'Reilly Frank Willison Award given at OSCON. In the last few years it's gotten less attention and could use an Advocacy or PSF contact person. The other awards sound neat and might make a nice showcasing opportunity at PyCon. On 2/27/07, Alvin Wang wrote: > Pycon was great. I enjoyed the advocacy discussion. > > One thought I had as I read about the Oscars this morning is that we should > offer a Person of the Year for advocacy in Python at Pycon. Project of the > Year. New project of the year. Etc. From sdeibel at wingware.com Tue Feb 27 17:58:32 2007 From: sdeibel at wingware.com (Stephan Deibel) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:58:32 -0600 Subject: [python-advocacy] Pycon In-Reply-To: References: <77d044440702262236v42cc166bs9846b960e546a3d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Feb 27, 2007, at 9:28 AM, DeanG wrote: > One outlet of Person of the Year is the O'Reilly Frank Willison Award > given at OSCON. > > In the last few years it's gotten less attention and could use an > Advocacy or PSF contact person. Yes, although it's at OSCON and not PyCon so would be good to have something at PyCon if someone is willing to take the lead on this. Feel free to contact me to arrange some sort of prizes paid for by the PSF. BTW, at PyCon I found out that O'Reilly apparently thinks the Willison Award is supposed to be a PSF thing, and apparently last year's recipient never got any sort of paper or plaque or anything. This may be confusion from the many changes of who is the main Python contact at O'Reilly. I've never been to OSCON so don't know how it was presented in the past. Clearly needs to be fixed -- don't use that as a model for how any PyCon-time award is done! ;-) In fact if someone wants to manage both awards, that would be great. This is one of those items that the PSF board hasn't had time to do a good job with and each of the last years it's been a last minute thing. - Stephan Deibel Chairman of the Board Python Software Foundation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/advocacy/attachments/20070227/f91899be/attachment.html From sdeibel at wingware.com Tue Feb 27 19:41:23 2007 From: sdeibel at wingware.com (Stephan Deibel) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:41:23 -0600 Subject: [python-advocacy] Looking for new Python Success Stories editor(s) Message-ID: Hi, I'm looking for someone to replace me as the editor of the Python Success Stories collection. I've got two stories in the pipeline that I am just not getting to and it's time for me to step back from this role. The work can be a minimum of processing the self-submitted stories (about 4-5 per year, 2 hours each) or much more if you want to try to pursue doing more printed booklets w/ O'Reilly, actively request stories from prominent Python users, and improve how the stories are stored, content franchised, and consumed/displayed on python.org. I can provide guidance and info as needed. This is fairly important, I think, in that these stories help legitimize Python in the minds of big IT groups that incorrectly think Python is a marginalized niche language. Any takers here or suggestions of who might be interested? - Stephan Deibel Wingware Advancing Software Development www.wingware.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/advocacy/attachments/20070227/91b58f4e/attachment.htm From alvinwang at gmail.com Tue Feb 27 21:46:37 2007 From: alvinwang at gmail.com (Alvin Wang) Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:46:37 -0800 Subject: [python-advocacy] Pycon In-Reply-To: References: <77d044440702262236v42cc166bs9846b960e546a3d8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <77d044440702271246u5bbb9c9bra7214ba8cf913c87@mail.gmail.com> On 2/27/07, Stephan Deibel wrote: > > On Feb 27, 2007, at 9:28 AM, DeanG wrote: > > One outlet of Person of the Year is the O'Reilly Frank Willison Award > given at OSCON. > > In the last few years it's gotten less attention and could use an > Advocacy or PSF contact person. > > > Yes, although it's at OSCON and not PyCon so would be good to have > something > at PyCon if someone is willing to take the lead on this. Feel free to > contact me to > arrange some sort of prizes paid for by the PSF. > > BTW, at PyCon I found out that O'Reilly apparently thinks the Willison > Award is > supposed to be a PSF thing, and apparently last year's recipient never got > any > sort of paper or plaque or anything. This may be confusion from the many > changes > of who is the main Python contact at O'Reilly. I've never been to OSCON > so don't > know how it was presented in the past. Clearly needs to be fixed -- don't > use that > as a model for how any PyCon-time award is done! ;-) > > In fact if someone wants to manage both awards, that would be great. This > is one of > those items that the PSF board hasn't had time to do a good job with and > each of > the last years it's been a last minute thing. > > - > > Stephan Deibel > Chairman of the Board > Python Software Foundation > > > > I did not know about the Willison Award. I was not planning on going to Oscon even though I will be in Portland on the weekend before it. We should leave that as an overall Person of the year award. Here are my thoughts on Pycon awards. I would be willing to put some work into it if nobody more qualified steps forward. 1) Decide on a manageable set of annual awards say <10. Suggestions from community by 8/31 - Python book of the year - should have word python on the cover - not required - Python article of the year - magazine web or print not a blog posting - Python Evangelist of the year - Python - closed source Product of the year - Python open source project of the year - Python - new project of the year - Python Groundbreaker of the year - Etc. 2) Nomination period - say 12/15->1/15 3) Voting period - say 1/16->2/15 4) Awards - whenever Pycon is -- Alvin Wang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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