From roy at panix.com Fri Aug 1 19:39:31 2008 From: roy at panix.com (Roy Smith) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [python-advocacy] New python products supported? Message-ID: <36501.128.222.37.21.1217612371.squirrel@mail.panix.com> I noticed recently that Perforce released an officially supported version of their Python API to replace the previously distributed, but not supported, version (http://public.perforce.com/guest/robert_cowham/perforce/API/python/index.html). I suspect this is a fairly common scenario. Somebody inside a company does some kind of Python add-on for their company's main product. The company half-pretends it doesn't exist for a while and after enough time goes by, they decide to turn it into a real supported product. It would be interesting if we had a list of such "coming of age" Python events. It would be a good way to show that the corporate world is starting to take Python seriously. From sdeibel at wingware.com Fri Aug 1 20:18:38 2008 From: sdeibel at wingware.com (Stephan Deibel) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:18:38 -0400 Subject: [python-advocacy] New python products supported? In-Reply-To: <36501.128.222.37.21.1217612371.squirrel@mail.panix.com> References: <36501.128.222.37.21.1217612371.squirrel@mail.panix.com> Message-ID: <4893537E.3050602@wingware.com> Roy Smith wrote: > I noticed recently that Perforce released an officially supported version > of their Python API to replace the previously distributed, but not > supported, version > (http://public.perforce.com/guest/robert_cowham/perforce/API/python/index.html). > > I suspect this is a fairly common scenario. Somebody inside a company > does some kind of Python add-on for their company's main product. The > company half-pretends it doesn't exist for a while and after enough time > goes by, they decide to turn it into a real supported product. It would > be interesting if we had a list of such "coming of age" Python events. It > would be a good way to show that the corporate world is starting to take > Python seriously. I think the corporate world is already taking Python seriously. I see who's buying licenses for Wing IDE and there's a distinct trend towards inclusion of the big names / fortune 500 / etc. In nearly 10 years we've gone from almost all individual sales (consultants mostly, or individual employees buying on their own), then we saw the addition of more and more smallish and startup companies to the mix, and finally in the last 2-3 years now also the big corporations. I doubt this is just due to the product improving, but rather think it reflects the path by which Python has made its way into these companies. In other words, I think the "secret sauce" aspect of Python is no longer a secret. That said, I'm sure there's plenty of room for expanding into companies that don't use Python now, but I'm not sure that lack of credibility or being taken seriously are the main barriers at this point. - Stephan From mmarch at gmail.com Fri Aug 1 20:29:43 2008 From: mmarch at gmail.com (Michael March) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 11:29:43 -0700 Subject: [python-advocacy] New python products supported? In-Reply-To: <4893537E.3050602@wingware.com> References: <36501.128.222.37.21.1217612371.squirrel@mail.panix.com> <4893537E.3050602@wingware.com> Message-ID: <48bc40670808011129l3e890c29h8ac9c04a40fde7b2@mail.gmail.com> >> I noticed recently that Perforce released an officially supported version >> of their Python API to replace the previously distributed, but not >> supported, version >> >> (http://public.perforce.com/guest/robert_cowham/perforce/API/python/index.html). >> >> I suspect this is a fairly common scenario. Somebody inside a company >> does some kind of Python add-on for their company's main product. The >> company half-pretends it doesn't exist for a while and after enough time >> goes by, they decide to turn it into a real supported product. It would >> be interesting if we had a list of such "coming of age" Python events. It >> would be a good way to show that the corporate world is starting to take >> Python seriously. > > I think the corporate world is already taking Python seriously. I see who's > buying licenses for Wing IDE and there's a distinct trend towards inclusion > of the big names / fortune 500 / etc. > > In nearly 10 years we've gone from almost all individual sales (consultants > mostly, or individual employees buying on their own), then we saw the > addition > of more and more smallish and startup companies to the mix, and finally in > the > last 2-3 years now also the big corporations. > > I doubt this is just due to the product improving, but rather think it > reflects > the path by which Python has made its way into these companies. > > In other words, I think the "secret sauce" aspect of Python is no longer > a secret. > > That said, I'm sure there's plenty of room for expanding into companies > that don't use Python now, but I'm not sure that lack of credibility or > being taken seriously are the main barriers at this point. > > - Stephan As someone who has made it his 5 year mission of embedded Python into all corporate work I do, I can tell you Python has a LONG way to go before its reaches its potential in the IT world. My experience is that most IT leadership either hasn't heard of Python or they immediately lump it in with Perl. Granted, Python's 'brand' is rising but its still going to take people stealthly implementing internal projects using Python and THEN pulling the curtain to reveal what language was used. I've been doing that at all my gigs and I've (mostly) left a trail of Python converts. From sdeibel at wingware.com Fri Aug 1 20:44:08 2008 From: sdeibel at wingware.com (Stephan Deibel) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:44:08 -0400 Subject: [python-advocacy] New python products supported? In-Reply-To: <48bc40670808011129l3e890c29h8ac9c04a40fde7b2@mail.gmail.com> References: <36501.128.222.37.21.1217612371.squirrel@mail.panix.com> <4893537E.3050602@wingware.com> <48bc40670808011129l3e890c29h8ac9c04a40fde7b2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48935978.4050704@wingware.com> Michael March wrote: > As someone who has made it his 5 year mission of embedded Python into > all corporate work I do, I can tell you Python has a LONG way to go > before its reaches its potential in the IT world. My experience is > that most IT leadership either hasn't heard of Python or they > immediately lump it in with Perl. That's interesting. I'm obviously looking at the long term trend from the outside and from a place where more or less everyone _has_ heard of Python. Would it be fair to say that "haven't heard of it" is the greater factor than not taking it seriously once it's heard of? I'm somewhat guessing but it sounds like you've been successful in getting adopters. 5-10 years ago I certainly heard much more often that management simply refused flat out to consider Python even _after_ something working has been implemented very quickly with it. Or is that still happening? - Stephan From mmarch at gmail.com Fri Aug 1 22:04:14 2008 From: mmarch at gmail.com (Michael March) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:04:14 -0700 Subject: [python-advocacy] New python products supported? In-Reply-To: <48935978.4050704@wingware.com> References: <36501.128.222.37.21.1217612371.squirrel@mail.panix.com> <4893537E.3050602@wingware.com> <48bc40670808011129l3e890c29h8ac9c04a40fde7b2@mail.gmail.com> <48935978.4050704@wingware.com> Message-ID: <48bc40670808011304t45b7d11eu8814058a98f6fb1c@mail.gmail.com> >> As someone who has made it his 5 year mission of embedded Python into >> all corporate work I do, I can tell you Python has a LONG way to go >> before its reaches its potential in the IT world. My experience is >> that most IT leadership either hasn't heard of Python or they >> immediately lump it in with Perl. > > That's interesting. I'm obviously looking at the long term trend from > the outside and from a place where more or less everyone _has_ heard > of Python. Would it be fair to say that "haven't heard of it" is the > greater factor than not taking it seriously once it's heard of? I'm > somewhat guessing but it sounds like you've been successful in getting > adopters. 5-10 years ago I certainly heard much more often that > management simply refused flat out to consider Python even _after_ > something working has been implemented very quickly with it. Or is > that still happening? First, I want to correct/amend what I said about 'never heard of Python'. Pretty much the case is that at the very least someone has vaguely heard of it but it ends there. The next step up from that is "its a scripting language like Perl", etc. >From a 'proving its worth' aspect, here is my experience. In the past three years I have implemented around a half dozen Python solutions. In most of those cases the solution was implemented so quickly, with so little fuss, it turned most involved into believers. From jeff at taupro.com Sat Aug 2 03:45:06 2008 From: jeff at taupro.com (Jeff Rush) Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:45:06 -0500 Subject: [python-advocacy] New python products supported? In-Reply-To: <48bc40670808011304t45b7d11eu8814058a98f6fb1c@mail.gmail.com> References: <36501.128.222.37.21.1217612371.squirrel@mail.panix.com> <4893537E.3050602@wingware.com> <48bc40670808011129l3e890c29h8ac9c04a40fde7b2@mail.gmail.com> <48935978.4050704@wingware.com> <48bc40670808011304t45b7d11eu8814058a98f6fb1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4893BC22.7090007@taupro.com> Michael March wrote: > > First, I want to correct/amend what I said about 'never heard of > Python'. Pretty much the case is that at the very least someone has > vaguely heard of it but it ends there. The next step up from that is > "its a scripting language like Perl", etc. Hmm, I'm wondering how we can raise the visibility of Python in those particular levels of IT. Michael, in your world, how do those decision makers, not line-developers, become aware of tools? Do they listen to technical podcasts? Just read InfoWorld? Get taken to lunch a lot by vendors? Are they swayed primarily by case histories or by cool abstract technology? Do we need to get brief whitepapers or, for those short on time, more screencasts suitable for certain classes of people? Slanted to talking head case histories or comparison to languages they do know, or something a bit more abstract like commonly encountered mid-level problems and how Python solves those easily? At showmedo.com a good selection of screencasts are collecting but many are more for the in-the-trenches developer and not so much about programming philosophy, leverage and scope. I say mid-level problems above because low-level ones are cool to impress your programmer friend with, using trick expressions, but I don't think they impress decision makers. And high-level problems may be too abstract, more like choosing an entire web framework, a vendor or family of products. You'd have to match their industry focus quite well to make it work. Mid-level problems would be about commonly-encountered things like user authentication techniques, wrapping a database in DB-API or ORM, structuring a large body of code for collaboration, a good overview of unit/functional testing in Python, using docstrings/introspection to generate the bulk of your developer docs. Maybe even a bit more abstract, like how a framework like D-BUS uses decorators and metaclasses to annotate and invisibly proxy libraries and an in-depth demonstration of the ctypes module to show how Python can wrap their world very easily. And I presume the problem isn't the availability of people, training and books, because it sounds like you're saying they aren't even at that point yet. -Jeff From dorai at thodla.com Sat Aug 2 04:38:42 2008 From: dorai at thodla.com (Dorai Thodla) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 08:08:42 +0530 Subject: [python-advocacy] New python products supported? In-Reply-To: <36501.128.222.37.21.1217612371.squirrel@mail.panix.com> References: <36501.128.222.37.21.1217612371.squirrel@mail.panix.com> Message-ID: <603b7e560808011938o19ac4480p481828de53429330@mail.gmail.com> I noticed that Python support increasing among major vendors. Some of the major influencers in software - Microsoft, Sun, Google all seem to be increasing support for Python. Watching and highlighting major software vendors supporting Python and talking about adoption rates may be one way to increase awareness. We may need a more specific PythonIT or Python in IT effort as well. Dorai Thodla www.thodla.com On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Roy Smith wrote: > I noticed recently that Perforce released an officially supported version > of their Python API to replace the previously distributed, but not > supported, version > ( > http://public.perforce.com/guest/robert_cowham/perforce/API/python/index.html > ). > > I suspect this is a fairly common scenario. 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URL: From catherine.devlin at gmail.com Sat Aug 2 05:10:50 2008 From: catherine.devlin at gmail.com (Catherine Devlin) Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 23:10:50 -0400 Subject: [python-advocacy] silent-movie slideshow? Message-ID: <6523e39a0808012010i4a901455raff8b8a5f959ee78@mail.gmail.com> Hi! I'm thinking of putting up a table at the next Ohio LinuxFest to hawk Python and PyOhio. One of the things I'd like to put on it is a computer screen paging gradually through some instructive and/or eye-catching samples of things Python can do... everything from "here's list comprehension" to "here's a tiny Pyglet game". Stuff to catch the eyes of the passers-by and millers-about. Before I go off writing one from scratch, does anybody know of an existing slideshow along those lines? I didn't see one at http://wiki.python.org/moin/Advocacy. (Some promising possibilities, like "http://advocacy.python.org/@@/collaterals/PythonAdvocacyGlossy-1-A4.pdf", give me "Service temporarily unavailable".) Or a good tool to write it in? I'm thinking maybe Bruce, but I haven't tried 2.0 yet. Oh, yeah - and it would also be good to hand out some stuff. A one-page Getting Started with Python guide would be nice. Suggestions? Thanks! -- - Catherine http://catherinedevlin.blogspot.com/ *** PyOhio 2008 * Columbus * July 26, 2008 * pyohio.org *** From jeff at taupro.com Sat Aug 2 15:18:13 2008 From: jeff at taupro.com (Jeff Rush) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 08:18:13 -0500 Subject: [python-advocacy] silent-movie slideshow? In-Reply-To: <6523e39a0808012010i4a901455raff8b8a5f959ee78@mail.gmail.com> References: <6523e39a0808012010i4a901455raff8b8a5f959ee78@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48945E95.8010402@taupro.com> Catherine Devlin wrote: > Hi! I'm thinking of putting up a table at the next Ohio LinuxFest to > hawk Python and PyOhio. One of the things I'd like to put on it is a > computer screen paging gradually through some instructive and/or > eye-catching samples of things Python can do... everything from > "here's list comprehension" to "here's a tiny Pyglet game". Stuff to > catch the eyes of the passers-by and millers-about. That would be very useful - lots of people would benefit. Actually constructing dynamic slides for specific topics would be a good usergroup activity and then combine the efforts. Hmmm, vpython, pickle, numpy, some data plotting, pyglet demo, something PDF with ReportLab, with scenes of the actual source intermixed. > Before I go off writing one from scratch, does anybody know of an > existing slideshow along those lines? I didn't see one at > http://wiki.python.org/moin/Advocacy. (Some promising possibilities, > like "http://advocacy.python.org/@@/collaterals/PythonAdvocacyGlossy-1-A4.pdf", > give me "Service temporarily unavailable".) I'm not aware of anything like that that already exists. BTW, I did restart the advocacy server - it isn't in the system boot script so it goes down when they reboot it. > Or a good tool to write it in? I'm thinking maybe Bruce, but I > haven't tried 2.0 yet. Bruce or maybe just something custom, that pulls in various modules and runs them for awhile, like your neat vpython demo you have. The variety of demos make it hard to use an existing tool to pull them together, especially if the demos aren't designed to relinguish control after a bit. > Oh, yeah - and it would also be good to hand out some stuff. A > one-page Getting Started with Python guide would be nice. Check the advocacy materials for something like this - not sure if you want a 'what is Python and where do I find resources' paper or a 'programming reference sheet'. Things like the former are on that site. -Jeff From ctrachte at gmail.com Sun Aug 3 07:28:05 2008 From: ctrachte at gmail.com (Carl Trachte) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 22:28:05 -0700 Subject: [python-advocacy] Prominent Postgresql Figure Prefers Python Message-ID: <426ada670808022228x6dda9b2crcfd6109bbf292753@mail.gmail.com> Hello. Wasn't sure if I should post this, but saw no great harm (pgsql.general is a public newsgroup). Someone was flaming about PHP getting slammed for political reasons - Josh Drake's response seems like a decent explanation of why he prefers Python. Disclaimer: I don't know enough about web programming to understand PHP's weaknesses. Generally, I avoid language wars as much as possible. Carl T. On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 12:29 -0400, Bill Wordsworth wrote: > Obviously he is a newbie out of the woods- couldn't make a connection > and print results something that the rest of us have been doing for > years. It is newbies like him and fan-boys of Ruby/Python/Perl who > give PHP a bad name. No, it is PHP that gives PHP a bad name. That being said, it depends on your perception. I personally have zero problem with PHP. It has always done what I have asked of it. I do however prefer Python. > But I fail to understand the little animosity > within some PostgreSQL users to PHP- is it the LAMP stack? No. It because PHP is developed wrong. If you talk to "engineers" and you say to them, "Can you take a look at this code and tell me what you think?". Any engineer worth their salt is going to tell you that the PHP code is scary. Whereas the PostgreSQL code is nicely done. (notice I have not used the word perfect anywhere.) There are also particulars about the language that are just wrong (as I understand it). Specifically in consistency, namespace issues and some others. Coming from my perspective, I could care less that PHPs code is a gnarled mess because I am not a C developer. Nor am I what would be considered a Software Engineer. I am a hack of a developer and a reasonable DBA/Sysadmin. My job is Consultant. If I were an Engineer and I work with several, I wouldn't like PHP either. The majority of known PostgreSQL community people are Engineers. Thus you get the hating. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ United States PostgreSQL Association: http://www.postgresql.us/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate From gslindstrom at gmail.com Mon Aug 4 23:59:40 2008 From: gslindstrom at gmail.com (Greg Lindstrom) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 16:59:40 -0500 Subject: [python-advocacy] Fund raising and Swag Message-ID: Hello, I am with the Arkansas Python Users Group (Python Artists of Arkansas, or PyAR^2) and am to the point of requesting businesses in our area for funds. Are there any examples of letter to do this? We have a few "technology" companies in the area, but I would like to present this more as something a responsible member of our business community would do, but I'm not sure how to do it. Another area we could use help is on swag. Is there a list anywhere of companies or people we could approach for swag? OReilly is going to send some books and Elegant Stitches will give us some stuff (seeing as my wife owns it :-). Are there others we can ask? Does the PSF help out with this (that is, do they contribute $$ to regional conferences)? Thanks for your help. --greg From goodger at python.org Tue Aug 5 16:05:31 2008 From: goodger at python.org (David Goodger) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:05:31 -0400 Subject: [python-advocacy] Fund raising and Swag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4335d2c40808050705r3bf18cfh351df012cfd623a7@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 17:59, Greg Lindstrom wrote: > Does the PSF help out with this (that is, do they contribute > $$ to regional conferences)? The PSF has contributed to regional conferences in the past. For example, we recently sponsored PyOhio's "catering" (a pizza lunch). To request funds, you should send email to the PSF Board (psf at python.org) with details: who you are, what the event is, how many people you expect, what you want funded, and how much (concrete amount). Our next meeting is next Monday, and we meet monthly. David Goodger PSF Director & Secretary From mikeyp at snaplogic.org Fri Aug 8 05:09:56 2008 From: mikeyp at snaplogic.org (Michael Pittaro) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:09:56 -0700 Subject: [python-advocacy] The advantages of Python Message-ID: <489BB904.3010808@snaplogic.org> Tarus Balog of OpenNMS on Python versus Java: "Where Zenoss has a great advantage right now is the fact that they are in Python. Python is kind of, the best of both worlds, you get a lot of Java-esque kind of things but then you get the usability of Perl." An interesting discussion ensues about the usability of Perl bit, as well as his perspective on Python adoption. ( From the RedMonk IT management podcast, #16, about 24 minutes in. http://tinyurl.com/56box4 ) mike -- Mike Pittaro Co-Founder Snaplogic, Inc. mikeyp at snaplogic.org http://www.snaplogic.org/developer/mikeyp From aahz at pythoncraft.com Sun Aug 10 18:10:16 2008 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:10:16 -0700 Subject: [python-advocacy] The 'running a conference' white paper In-Reply-To: <20080729174549.GA7611@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net> References: <20080729174549.GA7611@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net> Message-ID: <20080810161016.GA4839@panix.com> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008, A.M. Kuchling wrote: > > A passing reference by Catherine reminded me about > , > a white paper I wrote last year. It's mostly done, though I notice a > few unfinished sentences; will fix those... > > Once it's finished, what do we want to do with it? Will it stay in > the wiki? Should I move it out from underneath AdvocacyWritingTasks/? Made a few changes myself. I'm not familiar enough with the wiki organization to suggest a different place. -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ Adopt A Process -- stop killing all your children! From roy at panix.com Tue Aug 12 21:29:35 2008 From: roy at panix.com (Roy Smith) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [python-advocacy] Python on Wikipedia Selection for schools In-Reply-To: <603b7e560808011938o19ac4480p481828de53429330@mail.gmail.com> References: <36501.128.222.37.21.1217612371.squirrel@mail.panix.com> <603b7e560808011938o19ac4480p481828de53429330@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45400.128.222.37.21.1218569375.squirrel@mail.panix.com> I just stumbled onto Wikipedia Selection for schools (http://schools-wikipedia.org/index.htm). This is a "selection of 4625 articles suitable for school children", which means some combination of the subject being apropos to the UK National Curriculum and not having any dirty words. Of interest to this list is that "Python (programming language)" is one of only 15 articles (and 6 languages) selected for the "IT/Computer Programming" section. The full list is at: http://schools-wikipedia.org/wp/index/subject.IT.Computer_Programming.htm From roy at panix.com Tue Aug 12 21:34:42 2008 From: roy at panix.com (Roy Smith) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [python-advocacy] Python on Wikipedia Selection for schools In-Reply-To: <45400.128.222.37.21.1218569375.squirrel@mail.panix.com> References: <36501.128.222.37.21.1217612371.squirrel@mail.panix.com> <603b7e560808011938o19ac4480p481828de53429330@mail.gmail.com> <45400.128.222.37.21.1218569375.squirrel@mail.panix.com> Message-ID: <46785.128.222.37.21.1218569682.squirrel@mail.panix.com> I just noticed something else about this -- the image used as the icon for the entire "Computer Programming" section is a snippet of python code: http://schools-wikipedia.org/images/212/21292.png.htm > I just stumbled onto Wikipedia Selection for schools > (http://schools-wikipedia.org/index.htm). This is a "selection of 4625 > articles suitable for school children", which means some combination of > the subject being apropos to the UK National Curriculum and not having any > dirty words. > > Of interest to this list is that "Python (programming language)" is one of > only 15 articles (and 6 languages) selected for the "IT/Computer > Programming" section. The full list is at: > > http://schools-wikipedia.org/wp/index/subject.IT.Computer_Programming.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > Advocacy mailing list > Advocacy at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy > > From misterniceguy0 at gmail.com Wed Aug 13 12:14:26 2008 From: misterniceguy0 at gmail.com (Mister Nice Guy) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:14:26 +0300 Subject: [python-advocacy] Storesonline, 3 Steps to an Online Ecommerce Web Store Message-ID: <3b9f447d0808130314g4017ac9eg2b6e9a010633e72b@mail.gmail.com> *Storesonline, 3 Steps to an Online Ecommerce Web Store* So you're looking to start an online business and need an easy, inexpensive way to create an online store - but you're not sure where to start? This article has you covered! Here, you'll learn the three vital steps to establishing your own ecommerce web site. *Storesonline* can provide all these three steps below. 1. 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Kuchling) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:01:31 -0400 Subject: [python-advocacy] Python bug tracker screencast Message-ID: <20080819000131.GA424@amk.local> My first screencast is now on ShowMeDo, discussing how to search the Python bug tracker: http://showmedo.com/videos/video?name=3110000&fromSeriesID=311 Because it's my first, I'd really appreciate comments on how to improve it. --amk From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 13:11:38 2008 From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:11:38 +0200 Subject: [python-advocacy] re Python bug tracker screencast Message-ID: <7be3f35d0808190411v64b66028k639182e9afaf3206@mail.gmail.com> > > Because it's my first, I'd really appreciate comments on how to > improve it. > congratulation to your broadcast! Recommendations: 1) the seconds of white browser screen at the beginning was a stumbler for me. I was not really sure if everything is working. Recommendation: before explaining, enter the URL, and start with something "the Python bugtracker @ bugs.python.org is......" 2) you explain when a bug gets to the top. There was something like "status changed..." - maybe you can point to what is happening 3) you click on a bug to track down. Maybe take your speech "let's look at ... by clicking on the title" BEFORE you click 4) I especially like the marking of the single fields while explaining them. It would help to have something more then the labels read, along the line "the title describes xxxxxx" (That was really help full at the nosy list) 5) how did you get back from the single bug to the list? Browser back? Is that okay in this web app? 6) found tickets are ordered by priority (voice) mouse is pointing on status. Is status==priority? 7) the explanation of type, keywords in the fancy search are really helpfull! 8) WOW! there should be more of that screen casts! best wishes Harald -- GHUM Harald Massa persuadere et programmare Harald Armin Massa Spielberger Stra?e 49 70435 Stuttgart 0173/9409607 no fx, no carrier pigeon - EuroPython 2009 will take place in Birmingham - Stay tuned! From taleinat at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 16:08:57 2008 From: taleinat at gmail.com (Tal Einat) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:08:57 +0300 Subject: [python-advocacy] re Python bug tracker screencast In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0808190411v64b66028k639182e9afaf3206@mail.gmail.com> References: <7be3f35d0808190411v64b66028k639182e9afaf3206@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7afdee2f0808220708y27d3e2cbhfefc4393c3f658ff@mail.gmail.com> Harald Armin Massa wrote: >> >> Because it's my first, I'd really appreciate comments on how to >> improve it. >> > Recommendations: > > 3) you click on a bug to track down. Maybe take your speech "let's > look at ... by clicking on the title" BEFORE you click > Generally, I find that screen-casts which give some indication of when the mouse is clicked are much easier to follow, and I think it would be especially useful in this screen-cast since part of what you're showing is how to use the interface. On a similar note, it isn't obvious how you reached the list of comments, although you do mention they are "after this meta-data"; scrolling the window with the mouse would be preferable. > 6) found tickets are ordered by priority (voice) mouse is pointing on > status. Is status==priority? > Perhaps add a brief note on when priority is set and by whom? Maybe a few words on how to create an issue (including that you have to register to do so) would fit nicely here? I can imagine users wanting to report a bug (and perhaps check if it has previously been reported) would look for this info in such a screen-cast. This is a great idea and the execution is good! Short, clear and to the point :) This would have saved me (and surely many others) some trial and error after the switch to roundup... - Tal From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com Sat Aug 23 11:46:56 2008 From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:46:56 +0200 Subject: [python-advocacy] "pythonic" gets near-mainstream usage Message-ID: <7be3f35d0808230246q559762eer817f3408f901bdb4@mail.gmail.com> hust read an articel about Tracemonky, Firefox upcoming psyco... and within that article @ arstechnika, near the end: """ The addition of some rather nice Pythonic sugar in JavaScript 1.7 and 1.8 is a great start """ first use of Pythonic outside of speaking about Python. Great Mem-gain, I say. ref: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080822-firefox-to-get-massive-javascript-performance-boost.html -- GHUM Harald Massa persuadere et programmare Harald Armin Massa Spielberger Stra?e 49 70435 Stuttgart 0173/9409607 no fx, no carrier pigeon - EuroPython 2009 will take place in Birmingham - Stay tuned!