From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Thu Mar 11 15:45:11 2010
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 06:45:11 -0800
Subject: [python-advocacy] FWD: Python included in the Softpedia software
	database
Message-ID: <20100311144510.GA12019@panix.com>

This looks fine to me, forwarding in case anyone else wants to check the
material (I have no intention of adding their link to python.org)

----- Forwarded message from Softpedia Editorial Team <softeditor at softpedia.com> -----

> To: webmaster at python.org
> Subject: Python included in the Softpedia software database
> From: Softpedia Editorial Team <softeditor at softpedia.com>
> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:05:02 -0500 (EST)
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> As you may already know, Python, one of your products, is part of
> Softpedia's database of software programs for the Windows operating system.
> It is featured with a description text, screenshots, download links and
> technical details on this page:
> http://www.softpedia.com/get/Programming/Coding-languages-Compilers/Python.shtml
> 
> The description text was created by our editors, using sources such as text
> from your product's homepage, information from its help system, the PAD
> file (if available) and the editor's own opinions on the program itself.
> 
> 
> "Python" has been tested in the Softpedia labs using several
> industry-leading security solutions and found to be completely clean of
> adware/spyware components. We are impressed with the quality of your
> product and encourage you to keep these high standards in the future.
> 
> To assure our visitors that Python is clean, we have granted it with the
> "100% FREE" Softpedia award. To let your users know about this
> certification, you may display this award on your website, on software
> boxes or inside your product.
> 
> More information about your product's certification and the award is
> available on this page:
> http://www.softpedia.com/progClean/Python-Clean-54060.html
> 
> Feel free to link to us using the URLs above. If you choose to link to the
> clean award page for your product, you may use the award graphic or a text
> link: "100% FREE award granted by Softpedia".
> 
> 
> 
> Your developer page on Softpedia can be reached at the URL below. It
> contains the list of software products and a link to your website.
> http://www.softpedia.com/developer/Python-Software-Foundation-31019.html 
> 
> If you feel that having your product listed on Softpedia is not a benefit
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From Cameron at phaseit.net  Wed Mar 24 15:49:58 2010
From: Cameron at phaseit.net (Cameron Laird)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:49:58 +0000
Subject: [python-advocacy] Help with IronPython presentation
Message-ID: <20100324144958.GA28655@lairds.us>

I'll present Python to a .NET crowd in a couple of weeks, and I'll
take all the help I can get.  While I certainly have an excess of
Python material, I don't speak .NET.  I wrote to Jim H., of course,
but haven't heard back from him; I wonder if the e-mail address I
use is too old ...  In any case, assistance contacting him, tales
of cool .NET tricks that Python makes easy, and anything else in
this vein are very, VERY welcome.  

This is about Python, not me--I conscientiously give all the
credit for what I receive to the originator.  I'm happy to
advertise appropriate products or services; my goal is just to 
make the strongest possible impression on these young developers.

From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk  Wed Mar 24 16:40:56 2010
From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:40:56 +0000
Subject: [python-advocacy] Help with IronPython presentation
In-Reply-To: <20100324144958.GA28655@lairds.us>
References: <20100324144958.GA28655@lairds.us>
Message-ID: <4BAA3288.7030008@voidspace.org.uk>

Hello Cameron,

There is a lot of introductory material to IronPython on my website:

     http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ironpython/

A couple of presentations I've done on IronPython:

     http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ironpython/ACCU2008/
     http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ironpython/developerday.html

A very good resource for .NET programmers interested in IronPython is 
"IronPython in Action". ;-)

     http://www.ironpythoninaction.com/

A large application written entirely in IronPython is Resolver One 
(largest codebase of IronPython in the wild):

     http://www.resolversystems.com/

Reasons .NET programmers should be interested in IronPython even if they 
won't switch to it as a primary development language:

     * Scripting tasks
     * Powerful REPL for interactive exploration of .NET assemblies and 
classes with live objects
     * Easy to embed in .NET applications (easy to interact with C# / 
VB.NET) for providing user scripting

Plus all the wonderful language features of Python of course.

All the best,

Michael Foord

On 24/03/2010 14:49, Cameron Laird wrote:
> I'll present Python to a .NET crowd in a couple of weeks, and I'll
> take all the help I can get.  While I certainly have an excess of
> Python material, I don't speak .NET.  I wrote to Jim H., of course,
> but haven't heard back from him; I wonder if the e-mail address I
> use is too old ...  In any case, assistance contacting him, tales
> of cool .NET tricks that Python makes easy, and anything else in
> this vein are very, VERY welcome.
>
> This is about Python, not me--I conscientiously give all the
> credit for what I receive to the originator.  I'm happy to
> advertise appropriate products or services; my goal is just to
> make the strongest possible impression on these young developers.
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From Cameron at phaseit.net  Wed Mar 24 17:24:53 2010
From: Cameron at phaseit.net (Cameron Laird)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:24:53 +0000
Subject: [python-advocacy] Help with IronPython presentation
In-Reply-To: <4BAA3288.7030008@voidspace.org.uk>
References: <20100324144958.GA28655@lairds.us>
	<4BAA3288.7030008@voidspace.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20100324162453.GB17762@lairds.us>

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 03:40:56PM +0000, Michael Foord wrote:
			.
		[a treasure trove
		of valuable material]
			.
			.
> Reasons .NET programmers should be interested in IronPython even if they 
> won't switch to it as a primary development language:
> 
>     * Scripting tasks
>     * Powerful REPL for interactive exploration of .NET assemblies and 
> classes with live objects
>     * Easy to embed in .NET applications (easy to interact with C# / 
> VB.NET) for providing user scripting
			.
			.
			.
Michael, I can't thank you enough.  It's this last theme
that I'll make most prominent, by the way; I do my best
gently directing listeners' gaze in a different direction,
rather than rousing the rabble to dramatic action.

From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk  Wed Mar 24 17:25:15 2010
From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:25:15 +0000
Subject: [python-advocacy] Help with IronPython presentation
In-Reply-To: <20100324162453.GB17762@lairds.us>
References: <20100324144958.GA28655@lairds.us>	<4BAA3288.7030008@voidspace.org.uk>
	<20100324162453.GB17762@lairds.us>
Message-ID: <4BAA3CEB.20900@voidspace.org.uk>

On 24/03/2010 16:24, Cameron Laird wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 03:40:56PM +0000, Michael Foord wrote:
> 			.
> 		[a treasure trove
> 		of valuable material]
> 			.
> 			.
>    
>> Reasons .NET programmers should be interested in IronPython even if they
>> won't switch to it as a primary development language:
>>
>>      * Scripting tasks
>>      * Powerful REPL for interactive exploration of .NET assemblies and
>> classes with live objects
>>      * Easy to embed in .NET applications (easy to interact with C# /
>> VB.NET) for providing user scripting
>>      
> 			.
> 			.
> 			.
> Michael, I can't thank you enough.  It's this last theme
> that I'll make most prominent, by the way; I do my best
> gently directing listeners' gaze in a different direction,
> rather than rousing the rabble to dramatic action.
>    

Cool - and I agree. Once you whet their appetite and get people started 
Python speaks for itself. IronPython was designed from the very start to 
be easy to embed, so it really is almost trivially simple to use it to 
add user scripting to applications (or for rapid prototyping of ideas). 
There are a host of examples online (including on my website).

If you have Silverlight installed http://www.trypython.org/ is a useful 
resource.

All the best,

Michael

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From amnorvend at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 04:04:15 2010
From: amnorvend at gmail.com (Jason Baker)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 21:04:15 -0500
Subject: [python-advocacy] Python programming from the eyes of usability
Message-ID: <816c4abb1003291904n223d44b2vb694ef8245fa26d@mail.gmail.com>

I just found this tutorial:  http://jonathanscorner.com/python/

I think we should add a link to it somewhere, but I haven't the
slightest idea where.

From Cameron at phaseit.net  Tue Mar 30 13:25:25 2010
From: Cameron at phaseit.net (Cameron Laird)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:25:25 +0000
Subject: [python-advocacy] Python programming from the eyes of usability
In-Reply-To: <816c4abb1003291904n223d44b2vb694ef8245fa26d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <816c4abb1003291904n223d44b2vb694ef8245fa26d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100330112525.GA25715@lairds.us>

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 09:04:15PM -0500, Jason Baker wrote:
			.
			.
			.
> I just found this tutorial:  http://jonathanscorner.com/python/
> 
> I think we should add a link to it somewhere, but I haven't the
> slightest idea where.
			.
			.
			.
My favorite is within the Wiki, somewhere in the vicinity of <URL:
http://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=tutorial&titlesearch=Titles >.
Let me know if you'd like help completing this.

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Tue Mar 30 16:43:25 2010
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:43:25 -0700
Subject: [python-advocacy] Python programming from the eyes of usability
In-Reply-To: <816c4abb1003291904n223d44b2vb694ef8245fa26d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <816c4abb1003291904n223d44b2vb694ef8245fa26d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100330144325.GA8279@panix.com>

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010, Jason Baker wrote:
>
> I just found this tutorial:  http://jonathanscorner.com/python/
> 
> I think we should add a link to it somewhere, but I haven't the
> slightest idea where.

Nice!  In addition to Cameron's comments, you should definitely include
a summary explaining why this particular tutorial is interesting (it's
really not for programming newbies).

I also sent feedback to the author correcting his explanation of tuples.
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From nico at tekNico.net  Tue Mar 30 16:47:04 2010
From: nico at tekNico.net (Nicola Larosa)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:47:04 +0200
Subject: [python-advocacy] Python programming from the eyes of usability
In-Reply-To: <816c4abb1003291904n223d44b2vb694ef8245fa26d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <816c4abb1003291904n223d44b2vb694ef8245fa26d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BB20EE8.3030706@tekNico.net>

Jason Baker wrote:
> I just found this tutorial:  http://jonathanscorner.com/python/

Python as lightsabre: nice, hadn't heard that one before. :-)

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