[BangPypers] Certification

Dorai Thodla dorai at thodla.com
Wed Oct 24 16:09:55 CEST 2007


Anand,
You make some good points. I have had similar experience to the one you
describe with certified Java and .NET progammers too.

It may be interesting to find out what python.org thinks about
certification.

Dorai

On 10/23/07, Anand Balachandran Pillai <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am not a fan of certifications, but I think he raises a valid point.
> In today's IT industry, "certifications" are a fact and are here to stay.
> Of course, the most important thing is to build up skills by yourself.
> Especially in learning a language, there is nothing like teaching
> yourself and writing code. I know this myself, since I have taught
> myself four programming languages (C/C++, Java & Python)
> without the recourse of any "formal training", OTOH just by
> learning from the Internet and participating in forums and writing
> my own code and developing my own projects.
>
> Still, having a "certification program" seems to increase the
> popularity and effectiveness of adoption of a language in the IT
> industry. Python is gaining popularity and increasing adoption
> everyday and having a real certification program for it shall only
> increase the profile of the language. Especially in a software industry
> market like India (and Bangalore specifically) it looks like
> certifications
> are in demand.
>
> I have often found it difficult to assess the programming skills and
> knowledge of candidates appearing as "Python programmers". In
> my previous company which was a Python shop, a typical candidate
> interview used to play out like this...
>
> Me: So, how will you rate yourself in Python say in a scale 1-5 ?
> Candidate: Ummmm.... like 3.
> Me: Ok, very good. Can you write out a list comprehension to compute
> the sum of a series ?
> Candidate: Err... what is a list comprehension ?
> Me: Ah, I thought you knew it. What did you tell me your Python
> experience was ?
> Candidate: I have worked in Plone and Zope and have written Python
> scripts.
> Me: Ok...
>
> I am not trying to denigrate Plone/Zope developers here  (I know they
> are great platforms and there are amazing Python programmers who
> do Zope/Plone primarily for a living). But I found it difficult to
> separate the
> guy who has been doing only Plone/Zope customization and the guy
> who has worked in Python as a language away from "platforms".
>
> Perhaps a certification could be of use here. Not from the geek
> perspective,
> but from companies looking to hire Python programmers. It does make
> a lot of  practical sense.
>
> To answer the OP's question, there are no certification programs I know
> for Python in Bangalore. However, I think there is a requirement and space
> for this and we as a group should try and look into this. Any ideas ?
>
> Regards
>
> --Anand
>
> On 10/24/07, Sridhar Ratnakumar <sridhar.ratna at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 10/23/07, Goutham D L <dl.goutham at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > Are there any Python certification programmes in bangalore?
> > >
> >
> > So I tried googling for this certification thing and came up with
> >
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-announce-list/2005-June/004077.html
> >
> > .. also this,
> >
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Python-Interview-Questions-Answers-Explanations/dp/1933804548
> >
> > If you intention behind doing this "certification" is to build up your
> > profile and increase the job prospects, just write software in Python
> > -- and add that to your resume.
> >
> > Here's your map,
> >
> > 1. Learn Python - http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCSpy/
> > 2. Master Python - http://diveintopython.org/
> > 3. Read code
> > 4. Write code - sourceforge.net et. al
> > 5. Goto 3
> >
> > Examinations are not required, but hacker spirit is.
> >
> > --
> > http://nearfar.org/
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
> --
> -Anand
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Dorai Thodla (http://www.thodla.com)
Tracking Web Trends
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20071024/35a70e63/attachment.htm 


More information about the BangPypers mailing list