From dorai at thodla.com Tue Jan 1 05:28:38 2008 From: dorai at thodla.com (Dorai Thodla) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 09:58:38 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] How to Think Like a Python Programmer Message-ID: <603b7e560712312028o69ca064fgf64a7e1b7a2cb25e@mail.gmail.com> Happy New Year. Here is How to Think Like a (Python) Programmerin PDF. (thanks to programming.reddit.com) This book is a substantially revised version of *How to Think Like a Computer Scientist: Learning with Python* . -- Dorai Thodla (http://www.thodla.com) US: 650-206-2688 India: 98408 89258 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080101/51f7e788/attachment.htm From srsy70 at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 15:21:22 2008 From: srsy70 at gmail.com (S.Ramaswamy) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:51:22 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] HarvestMan with eventlets In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30712262216q55d3056x318e7812a21f5fd9@mail.gmail.com> References: <8548c5f30712262216q55d3056x318e7812a21f5fd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > > I have been evaluating twisted for sometime for doing this, but I have not > been able to wrap my brain around twisted. Also the fact that twisted > requires an explicit event loop call is not very good and makes it difficult > to write an application which has its own separate event loop. > How about using the built-in asyncore module. I guess you would have to re-invent some of the stuff that the twisted guys have already done. asynchttp ( http://asynchttp.sourceforge.net/ ) is an async python client library that doesn't seem to be actively maintained. Here's an interesting discussion about asyncore vs twisted: http://apipes.blogspot.com/2005/05/unsung-heroes-of-python.html Ramaswamy From srsy70 at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 15:38:31 2008 From: srsy70 at gmail.com (S.Ramaswamy) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 20:08:31 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] HarvestMan with eventlets In-Reply-To: References: <8548c5f30712262216q55d3056x318e7812a21f5fd9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > > > > I have been evaluating twisted for sometime for doing this, but I have not > > been able to wrap my brain around twisted. Also the fact that twisted > > requires an explicit event loop call is not very good and makes it difficult > > to write an application which has its own separate event loop. > > > How about using the built-in asyncore module. I guess you would have > to re-invent some of the stuff that the twisted guys have already > done. > asynchttp ( http://asynchttp.sourceforge.net/ ) is an async python > client library that doesn't seem to be actively maintained. Here's an > interesting discussion about asyncore vs twisted: > http://apipes.blogspot.com/2005/05/unsung-heroes-of-python.html > Here's another one - Multitask ( http://o2s.csail.mit.edu/o2s-wiki/multitask). Requires python 2.5. >From the introduction: "multitask allows [WWW] Python programs to use [WWW] generators (a.k.a. coroutines) to perform cooperative multitasking and asynchronous I/O. Applications written using multitask consist of a set of cooperating tasks that yield to a shared task manager whenever they perform a (potentially) blocking operation, such as I/O on a socket or getting data from a queue. The task manager temporarily suspends the task (allowing other tasks to run in the meantime) and then restarts it when the blocking operation is complete. Such an approach is suitable for applications that would otherwise have to use select() and/or multiple threads to achieve concurrency." That kind of I/O blocking might not suit harvestman type application ? Ramaswamy From abpillai at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 05:45:09 2008 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:15:09 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] API: Design Matters In-Reply-To: <603b7e560712312054s4867a79bt723224e5397d7a3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <603b7e560712312054s4867a79bt723224e5397d7a3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8548c5f30801012045kfa5ec94s2528cb85dac84175@mail.gmail.com> Nice post. Talking about APIs, I used to find Win32 APIs as the most horrible in terms of number of parameters they take and the obscure name of the params. I did not know that .NET APIs suffer from similar issues. The Select API mentioned in the article seems to be very horribly designed and not well thought of. Some people think that if they just preserve the arguments and order of arguments in an API as is the usual accepted form of it, that is enough. For example this Select(...) API does it since it kind of retains the "form" of its UNIX select(...) function call (except for using an integer instead of a structure for the timeout argument, which is a crime!) . But it is modifying the "semantics" of the API in terms of how it modifies its arguments. It is not just important to retain the "form" but also the "semantics" of an API to make it easy to use. --Anand On Jan 1, 2008 10:24 AM, Dorai Thodla wrote: > This may be a good topic for discussion. > > Why changing APIs might become a criminal offense - Should the authors of > lousy APIs be held accountable for their crimes? > http://www.acmqueue.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=488&page=1 > > > -- > Dorai Thodla (http://www.thodla.com) > US: 650-206-2688 > India: 98408 89258 > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > -- -Anand From dorai at thodla.com Wed Jan 2 05:55:41 2008 From: dorai at thodla.com (Dorai Thodla) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 10:25:41 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] API: Design Matters In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30801012045kfa5ec94s2528cb85dac84175@mail.gmail.com> References: <603b7e560712312054s4867a79bt723224e5397d7a3d@mail.gmail.com> <8548c5f30801012045kfa5ec94s2528cb85dac84175@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <603b7e560801012055m19f915e8r7a335ed354f9a8c1@mail.gmail.com> Anand, I found that this is one of the most difficult things to do well. Triggered by this post I did some Googling and read a couple of others. I am posting a link to the Google presentation which is probably one of the best. http://lcsd05.cs.tamu.edu/slides/keynote.pdf Dorai www.thodla.com On Jan 2, 2008 10:15 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > Nice post. Talking about APIs, I used to find Win32 APIs as the most > horrible in terms of number of parameters they take and the obscure > name of the params. > > I did not know that .NET APIs suffer from similar issues. The Select > API mentioned in the article seems to be very horribly designed and > not well thought of. > > Some people think that if they just preserve the arguments and order > of arguments in an API as is the usual accepted form of it, that is > enough. For example this Select(...) API does it since it kind of > retains the "form" of its UNIX select(...) function call (except for > using an integer instead of a structure for the timeout argument, > which is a crime!) . But it is modifying the "semantics" of the API in > terms of how it modifies its arguments. It is not just important to > retain the "form" but also the "semantics" of an API to make it easy > to use. > > --Anand > > On Jan 1, 2008 10:24 AM, Dorai Thodla wrote: > > This may be a good topic for discussion. > > > > Why changing APIs might become a criminal offense - Should the authors > of > > lousy APIs be held accountable for their crimes? > > > http://www.acmqueue.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=488&page=1 > > > > > > -- > > Dorai Thodla (http://www.thodla.com) > > US: 650-206-2688 > > India: 98408 89258 > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > > > -- > -Anand > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- Dorai Thodla (http://www.thodla.com) US: 650-206-2688 India: 98408 89258 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080102/02c2cfe9/attachment.htm From abpillai at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 14:17:22 2008 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:47:22 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python grows in 2007 Message-ID: <8548c5f30801030517u497474a2kf22914df05a3f3bd@mail.gmail.com> The TIOBE programming languages community index {http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm} shows that Python has gone a step higher in Dec 07 when compared to Dec 06. Python was at position 7 in 06 and now it is at position 6. Ruby has jumped two notches from position 11 to position 9. Other interesting trends is that Java has managed to keep the top-spot while C++ is on a downward trend. It is also interesting to see the drop in Perl - I guess a lot of Perl programmers are moving to Ruby or Python :) The chart below shows the long term trends. A quick look provides some interesting observations. o C++ has been on a downward slope since 2005 o The Java graph has an overall negative trend since 2001, but has numerous large peaks and troughs with the most recent being an upward growth. In general the growth has been flat since mid 2005 o Perl is clearly on an downward trend o PHP is overall on an upward trend o Python had a dramatic peak in early-mid 2004 which spiked its popularity (I wonder what caused it!) which it has managed to improve further. o Ruby has had a major surge in late 2006-2007 and is now almost equaling Python though the growth rate of Python is slightly more than that of Ruby o Visual Basic is on an overall flat trend since 2002 managing to keep its space and actually growing in 2007 Good news for Python programmers ... The full report will be released some time soon. -- -Anand From abpillai at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 14:26:01 2008 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:56:01 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python grows in 2007 In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30801030517u497474a2kf22914df05a3f3bd@mail.gmail.com> References: <8548c5f30801030517u497474a2kf22914df05a3f3bd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8548c5f30801030526i4c4233c4k897ad4c0a429c0e6@mail.gmail.com> A few more observations... o The language "D" is slowly on its way up. o Lua has the fastest growth from posn 46 to posn 20! o Contrary to popular jokes, COBOL is still alive and in fact growing :D This validates my theory that the very high level language trio of Python, Ruby,PHP and its associates Lua etc are the future languages to look out for. And "D" looks set to be the C++++ for the future. (the ++ is no typo!) I invite you to draw your own observations. Btw, the TIOBE index is the popular programming language index on the web. I am not sure what methods they use to calculate these numbers or how scientific they are... --Anand On Jan 3, 2008 6:47 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > The TIOBE programming languages community index {http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm} > shows that Python has gone a step higher in Dec 07 when compared to Dec 06. > > Python was at position 7 in 06 and now it is at position 6. Ruby has jumped > two notches from position 11 to position 9. > > Other interesting trends is that Java has managed to keep the top-spot > while C++ is on a downward trend. It is also interesting to see the drop > in Perl - I guess a lot of Perl programmers are moving to Ruby or Python :) > > The chart below shows the long term trends. A quick look provides > some interesting observations. > > o C++ has been on a downward slope since 2005 > o The Java graph has an overall negative trend since 2001, but > has numerous large peaks and troughs with the most recent > being an upward growth. In general the growth has been flat > since mid 2005 > o Perl is clearly on an downward trend > o PHP is overall on an upward trend > o Python had a dramatic peak in early-mid 2004 which spiked > its popularity (I wonder what caused it!) which it has managed > to improve further. > o Ruby has had a major surge in late 2006-2007 and is now > almost equaling Python though the growth rate of Python is > slightly more than that of Ruby > o Visual Basic is on an overall flat trend since 2002 managing to > keep its space and actually growing in 2007 > > Good news for Python programmers ... The full report will be > released some time soon. > > -- > -Anand > -- -Anand From ramdas at developeriq.com Thu Jan 3 14:46:32 2008 From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:16:32 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python grows in 2007 In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30801030526i4c4233c4k897ad4c0a429c0e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <8548c5f30801030517u497474a2kf22914df05a3f3bd@mail.gmail.com> <8548c5f30801030526i4c4233c4k897ad4c0a429c0e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e38f9f00801030546o34545beemccacde875bcf9029@mail.gmail.com> I notice that Javascript is a non mover. Surprising, there is no dearth of new ajax apps, launched shipping and being announced every day. On Jan 3, 2008 6:56 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > A few more observations... > > o The language "D" is slowly on its way up. > o Lua has the fastest growth from posn 46 to posn 20! > o Contrary to popular jokes, COBOL is still alive and in fact growing :D > > This validates my theory that the very high level language trio of > Python, Ruby,PHP > and its associates Lua etc are the future languages to look out for. > > And "D" looks set to be the C++++ for the future. (the ++ is no typo!) > > I invite you to draw your own observations. Btw, the TIOBE index is > the popular programming language index on the web. I am not > sure what methods they use to calculate these numbers or how scientific > they are... > > --Anand > > On Jan 3, 2008 6:47 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai > wrote: > > The TIOBE programming languages community index { > http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm} > > shows that Python has gone a step higher in Dec 07 when compared to Dec > 06. > > > > Python was at position 7 in 06 and now it is at position 6. Ruby has > jumped > > two notches from position 11 to position 9. > > > > Other interesting trends is that Java has managed to keep the top-spot > > while C++ is on a downward trend. It is also interesting to see the drop > > in Perl - I guess a lot of Perl programmers are moving to Ruby or Python > :) > > > > The chart below shows the long term trends. A quick look provides > > some interesting observations. > > > > o C++ has been on a downward slope since 2005 > > o The Java graph has an overall negative trend since 2001, but > > has numerous large peaks and troughs with the most recent > > being an upward growth. In general the growth has been flat > > since mid 2005 > > o Perl is clearly on an downward trend > > o PHP is overall on an upward trend > > o Python had a dramatic peak in early-mid 2004 which spiked > > its popularity (I wonder what caused it!) which it has managed > > to improve further. > > o Ruby has had a major surge in late 2006-2007 and is now > > almost equaling Python though the growth rate of Python is > > slightly more than that of Ruby > > o Visual Basic is on an overall flat trend since 2002 managing to > > keep its space and actually growing in 2007 > > > > Good news for Python programmers ... The full report will be > > released some time soon. > > > > -- > > -Anand > > > > > > -- > -Anand > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080103/6faf1f47/attachment.htm From indrajith.k at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 15:14:39 2008 From: indrajith.k at gmail.com (Indrajith K) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:44:39 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python grows in 2007 In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30801030526i4c4233c4k897ad4c0a429c0e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <8548c5f30801030517u497474a2kf22914df05a3f3bd@mail.gmail.com> <8548c5f30801030526i4c4233c4k897ad4c0a429c0e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Its nice to see Python moving up the ladder. But it has to be seen how to interpret this statistics. The word "popular" if I could make out is rated by its presence in the internet. The web site clearly mentions "Observe that the TIOBE index is not about the best programming language or the language in which most lines of code have been written." So, the "popularity" is in fact the activity on that language. It might be wrong to relate it with the usage and industry requirement. It is very well understandable, that a new programming language can generate lot of activity. An established programming language like C or C++ may not have that much activity. Esp, when internet applications are growing in number, and could well expect the "web" related languages will have the advantage during this time period. Out of the first ten, 7 are languages more suited for web development. So, in case Python rating drops in the future, I don't mind. Its the best programming language I have come across. On Jan 3, 2008 6:56 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > A few more observations... > > o The language "D" is slowly on its way up. > o Lua has the fastest growth from posn 46 to posn 20! > o Contrary to popular jokes, COBOL is still alive and in fact growing :D > > This validates my theory that the very high level language trio of > Python, Ruby,PHP > and its associates Lua etc are the future languages to look out for. > > And "D" looks set to be the C++++ for the future. (the ++ is no typo!) > > I invite you to draw your own observations. Btw, the TIOBE index is > the popular programming language index on the web. I am not > sure what methods they use to calculate these numbers or how scientific > they are... > > --Anand > > > On Jan 3, 2008 6:47 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > The TIOBE programming languages community index {http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm} > > shows that Python has gone a step higher in Dec 07 when compared to Dec 06. > > > > Python was at position 7 in 06 and now it is at position 6. Ruby has jumped > > two notches from position 11 to position 9. > > > > Other interesting trends is that Java has managed to keep the top-spot > > while C++ is on a downward trend. It is also interesting to see the drop > > in Perl - I guess a lot of Perl programmers are moving to Ruby or Python :) > > > > The chart below shows the long term trends. A quick look provides > > some interesting observations. > > > > o C++ has been on a downward slope since 2005 > > o The Java graph has an overall negative trend since 2001, but > > has numerous large peaks and troughs with the most recent > > being an upward growth. In general the growth has been flat > > since mid 2005 > > o Perl is clearly on an downward trend > > o PHP is overall on an upward trend > > o Python had a dramatic peak in early-mid 2004 which spiked > > its popularity (I wonder what caused it!) which it has managed > > to improve further. > > o Ruby has had a major surge in late 2006-2007 and is now > > almost equaling Python though the growth rate of Python is > > slightly more than that of Ruby > > o Visual Basic is on an overall flat trend since 2002 managing to > > keep its space and actually growing in 2007 > > > > Good news for Python programmers ... The full report will be > > released some time soon. > > > > -- > > -Anand > > > > > > -- > -Anand > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From dorai at thodla.com Thu Jan 3 15:14:40 2008 From: dorai at thodla.com (Dorai Thodla) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:44:40 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python grows in 2007 In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30801030526i4c4233c4k897ad4c0a429c0e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <8548c5f30801030517u497474a2kf22914df05a3f3bd@mail.gmail.com> <8548c5f30801030526i4c4233c4k897ad4c0a429c0e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <603b7e560801030614p560d1d23t43738807a74ed50b@mail.gmail.com> Anand, I have been tracking TIOBE for a while and have a couple of blogs on it. They do explain their methodology here: http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm Dorai www.thodla.com P.S: http://dorai.wordpress.com/?s=%22programming+language+trends%22 On Jan 3, 2008 6:56 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > A few more observations... > > o The language "D" is slowly on its way up. > o Lua has the fastest growth from posn 46 to posn 20! > o Contrary to popular jokes, COBOL is still alive and in fact growing :D > > This validates my theory that the very high level language trio of > Python, Ruby,PHP > and its associates Lua etc are the future languages to look out for. > > And "D" looks set to be the C++++ for the future. (the ++ is no typo!) > > I invite you to draw your own observations. Btw, the TIOBE index is > the popular programming language index on the web. I am not > sure what methods they use to calculate these numbers or how scientific > they are... > > --Anand > > On Jan 3, 2008 6:47 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai > wrote: > > The TIOBE programming languages community index { > http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm} > > shows that Python has gone a step higher in Dec 07 when compared to Dec > 06. > > > > Python was at position 7 in 06 and now it is at position 6. Ruby has > jumped > > two notches from position 11 to position 9. > > > > Other interesting trends is that Java has managed to keep the top-spot > > while C++ is on a downward trend. It is also interesting to see the drop > > in Perl - I guess a lot of Perl programmers are moving to Ruby or Python > :) > > > > The chart below shows the long term trends. A quick look provides > > some interesting observations. > > > > o C++ has been on a downward slope since 2005 > > o The Java graph has an overall negative trend since 2001, but > > has numerous large peaks and troughs with the most recent > > being an upward growth. In general the growth has been flat > > since mid 2005 > > o Perl is clearly on an downward trend > > o PHP is overall on an upward trend > > o Python had a dramatic peak in early-mid 2004 which spiked > > its popularity (I wonder what caused it!) which it has managed > > to improve further. > > o Ruby has had a major surge in late 2006-2007 and is now > > almost equaling Python though the growth rate of Python is > > slightly more than that of Ruby > > o Visual Basic is on an overall flat trend since 2002 managing to > > keep its space and actually growing in 2007 > > > > Good news for Python programmers ... The full report will be > > released some time soon. > > > > -- > > -Anand > > > > > > -- > -Anand > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- Dorai Thodla (http://www.thodla.com) US: 650-206-2688 India: 98408 89258 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080103/85b3c1ff/attachment-0001.htm From dorai at thodla.com Thu Jan 3 15:23:55 2008 From: dorai at thodla.com (Dorai Thodla) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:53:55 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python grows in 2007 In-Reply-To: References: <8548c5f30801030517u497474a2kf22914df05a3f3bd@mail.gmail.com> <8548c5f30801030526i4c4233c4k897ad4c0a429c0e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <603b7e560801030623k7d6c73b3v94eadf8e72d47e81@mail.gmail.com> This is a great discussion. We can look at some factors and trends: 1. Adoption of Python in leading influencers in marketplace (Third most used language in Google, IronPython on the rise in Microsoft, Python efforts at Sun etc.) 2. Typical sponsors, attendees of Python conferences like PyCon 3. The number of applications, libraries, web frameworks in Python 4. Google trends ( http://www.google.com/trends?q=perl%2C+python%2C+php%2C+ruby%2C+javascript&ctab=0&geo=all&date=2007&sort=0). This just shows search trends which does not really mean much. 5. Number of open source packages written in Python (vs PERL, PHP, Ruby, Java, C# in the last 2 years) I am a Python fan too and feel that it has the best mix of elegance and productivity. But I always wonder why some of the most popular web applications - WikiMedia, Wordpress, Flickr, Facebook are all based on PHP. Is it the scalability? Simplicity? The availability of free tools and libraries? Low entry point coming in from C? I would love a discussion on this subject. If the language is popular, more people try to train in it. On Jan 3, 2008 7:44 PM, Indrajith K wrote: > Its nice to see Python moving up the ladder. But it has to be seen how > to interpret this statistics. The word "popular" if I could make out > is rated by its presence in the internet. The web site clearly > mentions "Observe that the TIOBE index is not about the best > programming language or the language in which most lines of code have > been written." So, the "popularity" is in fact the activity on that > language. It might be wrong to relate it with the usage and industry > requirement. It is very well understandable, that a new programming > language can generate lot of activity. An established programming > language like C or C++ may not have that much activity. Esp, when > internet applications are growing in number, and could well expect the > "web" related languages will have the advantage during this time > period. Out of the first ten, 7 are languages more suited for web > development. > > So, in case Python rating drops in the future, I don't mind. Its the > best programming language I have come across. > > On Jan 3, 2008 6:56 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai > wrote: > > A few more observations... > > > > o The language "D" is slowly on its way up. > > o Lua has the fastest growth from posn 46 to posn 20! > > o Contrary to popular jokes, COBOL is still alive and in fact growing :D > > > > This validates my theory that the very high level language trio of > > Python, Ruby,PHP > > and its associates Lua etc are the future languages to look out for. > > > > And "D" looks set to be the C++++ for the future. (the ++ is no typo!) > > > > I invite you to draw your own observations. Btw, the TIOBE index is > > the popular programming language index on the web. I am not > > sure what methods they use to calculate these numbers or how scientific > > they are... > > > > --Anand > > > > > > On Jan 3, 2008 6:47 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai > wrote: > > > The TIOBE programming languages community index { > http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm} > > > shows that Python has gone a step higher in Dec 07 when compared to > Dec 06. > > > > > > Python was at position 7 in 06 and now it is at position 6. Ruby has > jumped > > > two notches from position 11 to position 9. > > > > > > Other interesting trends is that Java has managed to keep the top-spot > > > while C++ is on a downward trend. It is also interesting to see the > drop > > > in Perl - I guess a lot of Perl programmers are moving to Ruby or > Python :) > > > > > > The chart below shows the long term trends. A quick look provides > > > some interesting observations. > > > > > > o C++ has been on a downward slope since 2005 > > > o The Java graph has an overall negative trend since 2001, but > > > has numerous large peaks and troughs with the most recent > > > being an upward growth. In general the growth has been flat > > > since mid 2005 > > > o Perl is clearly on an downward trend > > > o PHP is overall on an upward trend > > > o Python had a dramatic peak in early-mid 2004 which spiked > > > its popularity (I wonder what caused it!) which it has managed > > > to improve further. > > > o Ruby has had a major surge in late 2006-2007 and is now > > > almost equaling Python though the growth rate of Python is > > > slightly more than that of Ruby > > > o Visual Basic is on an overall flat trend since 2002 managing to > > > keep its space and actually growing in 2007 > > > > > > Good news for Python programmers ... The full report will be > > > released some time soon. > > > > > > -- > > > -Anand > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -Anand > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- Dorai Thodla (http://www.thodla.com) US: 650-206-2688 India: 98408 89258 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080103/c03e579c/attachment.htm From sridhar.ratna at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 15:47:58 2008 From: sridhar.ratna at gmail.com (Sridhar Ratnakumar) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 20:17:58 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python grows in 2007 In-Reply-To: <603b7e560801030623k7d6c73b3v94eadf8e72d47e81@mail.gmail.com> References: <8548c5f30801030517u497474a2kf22914df05a3f3bd@mail.gmail.com> <8548c5f30801030526i4c4233c4k897ad4c0a429c0e6@mail.gmail.com> <603b7e560801030623k7d6c73b3v94eadf8e72d47e81@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c73a13a0801030647od55e3b5j354847eafaebbbf2@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 3, 2008 7:53 PM, Dorai Thodla wrote: > This is a great discussion. We can look at some factors and trends: > > 1. Adoption of Python in leading influencers in marketplace (Third most used > language in Google, IronPython on the rise in Microsoft, Python efforts at > Sun etc.) > 2. Typical sponsors, attendees of Python conferences like PyCon > 3. The number of applications, libraries, web frameworks in Python > 4. Google trends ( > http://www.google.com/trends?q=perl%2C+python%2C+php%2C+ruby%2C+javascript&ctab=0&geo=all&date=2007&sort=0). > This just shows search trends which does not really mean much. > 5. Number of open source packages written in Python (vs PERL, PHP, Ruby, > Java, C# in the last 2 years) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_language#Measuring_language_usage > I am a Python fan too and feel that it has the best mix of elegance and > productivity. But I always wonder why some of the most popular web > applications - WikiMedia, Wordpress, Flickr, Facebook are all based on PHP. > Is it the scalability? Simplicity? The availability of free tools and > libraries? Low entry point coming in from C? http://www.dreamsongs.com/WorseIsBetter.html http://www.dreamsongs.com/MobSoftware.html -- http://nearfar.org/ From dorai at thodla.com Thu Jan 3 16:12:58 2008 From: dorai at thodla.com (Dorai Thodla) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 20:42:58 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python grows in 2007 In-Reply-To: <7c73a13a0801030647od55e3b5j354847eafaebbbf2@mail.gmail.com> References: <8548c5f30801030517u497474a2kf22914df05a3f3bd@mail.gmail.com> <8548c5f30801030526i4c4233c4k897ad4c0a429c0e6@mail.gmail.com> <603b7e560801030623k7d6c73b3v94eadf8e72d47e81@mail.gmail.com> <7c73a13a0801030647od55e3b5j354847eafaebbbf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <603b7e560801030712m1c9ed538u59243f0cc1c7b146@mail.gmail.com> Sridhar, Thanks. Some wonderful resources. Dorai On Jan 3, 2008 8:17 PM, Sridhar Ratnakumar wrote: > On Jan 3, 2008 7:53 PM, Dorai Thodla wrote: > > This is a great discussion. We can look at some factors and trends: > > > > 1. Adoption of Python in leading influencers in marketplace (Third most > used > > language in Google, IronPython on the rise in Microsoft, Python efforts > at > > Sun etc.) > > 2. Typical sponsors, attendees of Python conferences like PyCon > > 3. The number of applications, libraries, web frameworks in Python > > 4. Google trends ( > > > http://www.google.com/trends?q=perl%2C+python%2C+php%2C+ruby%2C+javascript&ctab=0&geo=all&date=2007&sort=0 > ). > > This just shows search trends which does not really mean much. > > 5. Number of open source packages written in Python (vs PERL, PHP, Ruby, > > Java, C# in the last 2 years) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_language#Measuring_language_usage > > > I am a Python fan too and feel that it has the best mix of elegance and > > productivity. But I always wonder why some of the most popular web > > applications - WikiMedia, Wordpress, Flickr, Facebook are all based on > PHP. > > Is it the scalability? Simplicity? The availability of free tools and > > libraries? Low entry point coming in from C? > > http://www.dreamsongs.com/WorseIsBetter.html > http://www.dreamsongs.com/MobSoftware.html > > > > -- > http://nearfar.org/ > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- Dorai Thodla (http://www.thodla.com) US: 650-206-2688 India: 98408 89258 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080103/9c3f3fc4/attachment.htm From orsenthil at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 05:17:13 2008 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (O.R.Senthil Kumaran) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:47:13 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python grows in 2007 In-Reply-To: References: <8548c5f30801030517u497474a2kf22914df05a3f3bd@mail.gmail.com> <8548c5f30801030526i4c4233c4k897ad4c0a429c0e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080104041713.GB3607@gmail.com> * Indrajith K [2008-01-03 19:44:39]: > > So, in case Python rating drops in the future, I don't mind. Its the > best programming language I have come across. > +1 for QOTW. I agree and that should be our stance. :-) -- O.R.Senthil Kumaran http://uthcode.sarovar.org From baiju at muthukadan.net Fri Jan 4 11:07:06 2008 From: baiju at muthukadan.net (baiju at muthukadan.net) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 15:37:06 +0530 (IST) Subject: [BangPypers] Python grows in 2007 In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30801030526i4c4233c4k897ad4c0a429c0e6@mail.gmail.com> References: <8548c5f30801030517u497474a2kf22914df05a3f3bd@mail.gmail.com> <8548c5f30801030526i4c4233c4k897ad4c0a429c0e6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <38682.200.65.127.161.1199441226.squirrel@muthukadan.net> Last year (May 2007) I posted a blog about comparing different package repositories (http://baijum81.livejournal.com/20775.html). The total number of packages in different repositories was like this: 1. Perl (11643) http://cpan.org/ 2. Python (2392) http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi 3. Ruby (1587) http://raa.ruby-lang.org/ 4. PHP (442) http://pear.php.net/packages.php When I read this thread I thought just revisit the repositories. Here is the new status: 1. Perl (12783) http://cpan.org/ 2. Python (3249) http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi 3. Ruby (1642) http://raa.ruby-lang.org/ 4. PHP (465) http://pear.php.net/packages.php Here is the increment details: Disclaimer: I am not a statistical guy :) #!/usr/bin/env python # May 21st 2007 perl1 = 11643 python1 = 2392 ruby1 = 1587 php1 = 442 # Jan 4th 2008 perl2 = 12783 python2 = 3249 ruby2 = 1642 php2 = 465 perld = perl2 - perl1 pythond = python2 - python1 rubyd = ruby2 - ruby1 phpd = php2 - php1 total = perld + pythond + rubyd + phpd print "Perl", (perld/float(total))*100 print "Python", (pythond/float(total))*100 print "Ruby", (rubyd/float(total))*100 print "PHP", (phpd/float(total))*100 # Output:- # # Perl 54.9397590361 # Python 41.3012048193 # Ruby 2.65060240964 # PHP 1.10843373494 Again, I am not going to any conclusions ;) Regards, Baiju M From baiju at muthukadan.net Fri Jan 4 11:30:16 2008 From: baiju at muthukadan.net (baiju at muthukadan.net) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:00:16 +0530 (IST) Subject: [BangPypers] Python grows in 2007 In-Reply-To: <38682.200.65.127.161.1199441226.squirrel@muthukadan.net> References: <8548c5f30801030517u497474a2kf22914df05a3f3bd@mail.gmail.com> <8548c5f30801030526i4c4233c4k897ad4c0a429c0e6@mail.gmail.com> <38682.200.65.127.161.1199441226.squirrel@muthukadan.net> Message-ID: <52428.200.65.127.161.1199442616.squirrel@muthukadan.net> > Last year (May 2007) I posted a blog about comparing different package > repositories (http://baijum81.livejournal.com/20775.html). > > The total number of packages in different repositories was like this: > > 1. Perl (11643) http://cpan.org/ > 2. Python (2392) http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi > 3. Ruby (1587) http://raa.ruby-lang.org/ > 4. PHP (442) http://pear.php.net/packages.php > > > When I read this thread I thought just revisit the repositories. > Here is the new status: > > 1. Perl (12783) http://cpan.org/ > 2. Python (3249) http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi > 3. Ruby (1642) http://raa.ruby-lang.org/ > 4. PHP (465) http://pear.php.net/packages.php > > Here is the increment details: > Disclaimer: I am not a statistical guy :) > > #!/usr/bin/env python > > # May 21st 2007 > perl1 = 11643 > python1 = 2392 > ruby1 = 1587 > php1 = 442 > > # Jan 4th 2008 > perl2 = 12783 > python2 = 3249 > ruby2 = 1642 > php2 = 465 > > perld = perl2 - perl1 > pythond = python2 - python1 > rubyd = ruby2 - ruby1 > phpd = php2 - php1 > > total = perld + pythond + rubyd + phpd > > print "Perl", (perld/float(total))*100 > print "Python", (pythond/float(total))*100 > print "Ruby", (rubyd/float(total))*100 > print "PHP", (phpd/float(total))*100 > > # Output:- > # > # Perl 54.9397590361 > # Python 41.3012048193 > # Ruby 2.65060240964 > # PHP 1.10843373494 > > Again, I am not going to any conclusions ;) My friend Jayesh suggested it is better to show individual growth rate than taking comparative performance, so here it is: print "Perl", (perld/float(perl1))*100 print "Python", (pythond/float(python1))*100 print "Ruby", (rubyd/float(ruby1))*100 print "PHP", (phpd/float(php1))*100 # Output:- # #Perl 9.79129090441 #Python 35.8277591973 #Ruby 3.46565847511 #PHP 5.2036199095 Regards, Baiju M From baiju at muthukadan.net Fri Jan 4 11:30:52 2008 From: baiju at muthukadan.net (baiju at muthukadan.net) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:00:52 +0530 (IST) Subject: [BangPypers] Python grows in 2007 In-Reply-To: <38682.200.65.127.161.1199441226.squirrel@muthukadan.net> References: <8548c5f30801030517u497474a2kf22914df05a3f3bd@mail.gmail.com> <8548c5f30801030526i4c4233c4k897ad4c0a429c0e6@mail.gmail.com> <38682.200.65.127.161.1199441226.squirrel@muthukadan.net> Message-ID: <54158.200.65.127.161.1199442652.squirrel@muthukadan.net> > Last year (May 2007) I posted a blog about comparing different package > repositories (http://baijum81.livejournal.com/20775.html). > > The total number of packages in different repositories was like this: > > 1. Perl (11643) http://cpan.org/ > 2. Python (2392) http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi > 3. Ruby (1587) http://raa.ruby-lang.org/ > 4. PHP (442) http://pear.php.net/packages.php > > > When I read this thread I thought just revisit the repositories. > Here is the new status: > > 1. Perl (12783) http://cpan.org/ > 2. Python (3249) http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi > 3. Ruby (1642) http://raa.ruby-lang.org/ > 4. PHP (465) http://pear.php.net/packages.php > > Here is the increment details: > Disclaimer: I am not a statistical guy :) > > #!/usr/bin/env python > > # May 21st 2007 > perl1 = 11643 > python1 = 2392 > ruby1 = 1587 > php1 = 442 > > # Jan 4th 2008 > perl2 = 12783 > python2 = 3249 > ruby2 = 1642 > php2 = 465 > > perld = perl2 - perl1 > pythond = python2 - python1 > rubyd = ruby2 - ruby1 > phpd = php2 - php1 > > total = perld + pythond + rubyd + phpd > > print "Perl", (perld/float(total))*100 > print "Python", (pythond/float(total))*100 > print "Ruby", (rubyd/float(total))*100 > print "PHP", (phpd/float(total))*100 > > # Output:- > # > # Perl 54.9397590361 > # Python 41.3012048193 > # Ruby 2.65060240964 > # PHP 1.10843373494 > > Again, I am not going to any conclusions ;) My friend Jayesh suggested it is better to show individual growth rate than taking comparative performance, so here it is: print "Perl", (perld/float(perl1))*100 print "Python", (pythond/float(python1))*100 print "Ruby", (rubyd/float(ruby1))*100 print "PHP", (phpd/float(php1))*100 # Output:- # #Perl 9.79129090441 #Python 35.8277591973 #Ruby 3.46565847511 #PHP 5.2036199095 Regards, Baiju M From abpillai at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 11:31:35 2008 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:01:35 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python grows in 2007 In-Reply-To: <38682.200.65.127.161.1199441226.squirrel@muthukadan.net> References: <8548c5f30801030517u497474a2kf22914df05a3f3bd@mail.gmail.com> <8548c5f30801030526i4c4233c4k897ad4c0a429c0e6@mail.gmail.com> <38682.200.65.127.161.1199441226.squirrel@muthukadan.net> Message-ID: <8548c5f30801040231r60f4d3a2i75ecf0c16a285437@mail.gmail.com> I think you made a mistake by dividing over the total number of packages. The percentages shown by dividing the incremental growth of say Perl by the total growth does not give any indication of an index. It is like adding apples to oranges. The more valid index is the relative growth of the package size w.r.t the previous package size i.e (p2-p1)*100/p1. That is very simple growth percentage of each language and here it is. Ruby: 3.5% PHP: 5.2% Perl: 9.8% Python: 35.8% Interpret the numbers yourself! --Anand On Jan 4, 2008 3:37 PM, wrote: > Last year (May 2007) I posted a blog about comparing different package > repositories (http://baijum81.livejournal.com/20775.html). > > The total number of packages in different repositories was like this: > > 1. Perl (11643) http://cpan.org/ > 2. Python (2392) http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi > 3. Ruby (1587) http://raa.ruby-lang.org/ > 4. PHP (442) http://pear.php.net/packages.php > > > When I read this thread I thought just revisit the repositories. > Here is the new status: > > 1. Perl (12783) http://cpan.org/ > 2. Python (3249) http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi > 3. Ruby (1642) http://raa.ruby-lang.org/ > 4. PHP (465) http://pear.php.net/packages.php > > Here is the increment details: > Disclaimer: I am not a statistical guy :) > > #!/usr/bin/env python > > # May 21st 2007 > perl1 = 11643 > python1 = 2392 > ruby1 = 1587 > php1 = 442 > > # Jan 4th 2008 > perl2 = 12783 > python2 = 3249 > ruby2 = 1642 > php2 = 465 > > perld = perl2 - perl1 > pythond = python2 - python1 > rubyd = ruby2 - ruby1 > phpd = php2 - php1 > > total = perld + pythond + rubyd + phpd > > print "Perl", (perld/float(total))*100 > print "Python", (pythond/float(total))*100 > print "Ruby", (rubyd/float(total))*100 > print "PHP", (phpd/float(total))*100 > > # Output:- > # > # Perl 54.9397590361 > # Python 41.3012048193 > # Ruby 2.65060240964 > # PHP 1.10843373494 > > Again, I am not going to any conclusions ;) > > Regards, > Baiju M > > > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- -Anand From pradeep at btbytes.com Fri Jan 4 11:47:37 2008 From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Kishore Gowda) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:17:37 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python grows in 2007 In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30801040231r60f4d3a2i75ecf0c16a285437@mail.gmail.com> References: <8548c5f30801030517u497474a2kf22914df05a3f3bd@mail.gmail.com> <8548c5f30801030526i4c4233c4k897ad4c0a429c0e6@mail.gmail.com> <38682.200.65.127.161.1199441226.squirrel@muthukadan.net> <8548c5f30801040231r60f4d3a2i75ecf0c16a285437@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3e3294b70801040247l7ac6ae13mca57962a524963ec@mail.gmail.com> On 1/4/08, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > Ruby: 3.5% > PHP: 5.2% > Perl: 9.8% > Python: 35.8% Well, absolute growth figures can be misleading. If number of packages goes from 10 to 15, there is a growth of 50%!! So, for a language like perl, which already has 10k+ packages, the numbers are still impressive. Even though I've not written a single line of working code in Perl, I'd like to acknowledge the power of time-tested perl code. I hope to get an opportunity in near future to explore the library-power of perl. Also, a lot of that 35.8% growth for Python comes from Zope related packages. Which is a good news/boring news depending on your love for Zope. Zopistas have been very positive and consistent in their action when it comes to good engineering practices like doctests, unittests and packaging. More power to them. Repoze project http://www.repoze.org is a must watch for those who believe in a WSGI future. Cheers, Pradeep -- Home - http://btbytes.com Heart - http://sampada.net Yummy! - http://konkanirecipes.com From indrajith.k at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 11:53:36 2008 From: indrajith.k at gmail.com (Indrajith K) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:23:36 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python grows in 2007 In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30801040231r60f4d3a2i75ecf0c16a285437@mail.gmail.com> References: <8548c5f30801030517u497474a2kf22914df05a3f3bd@mail.gmail.com> <8548c5f30801030526i4c4233c4k897ad4c0a429c0e6@mail.gmail.com> <38682.200.65.127.161.1199441226.squirrel@muthukadan.net> <8548c5f30801040231r60f4d3a2i75ecf0c16a285437@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Number of packages to a good extent can be taken as a indicator of the reach of the language (though it makes sense more to languages like python, perl, ruby etc). Perl has a long history. CPAN has almost every thing you require. The growth won't be really feeble, still number of packages for perl increased by 1140, python increased its stretch by 857. I agree that python standard lib can replace many CPAN modules, but it is hard to believe Python std lib + cheeseshop = perl std lib + cpan. Python growth is great, but it has a long way to go. To me ruby is not in my radar (though oreilly says the ruby books sales out numbered python books in 2007, it is where Python was few years ago). On Jan 4, 2008 4:01 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > I think you made a mistake by dividing over the total number of > packages. The percentages shown by dividing the incremental > growth of say Perl by the total growth does not give any indication > of an index. It is like adding apples to oranges. > > The more valid index is the relative growth of the package size > w.r.t the previous package size i.e (p2-p1)*100/p1. That is very > simple growth percentage of each language and here it is. > > Ruby: 3.5% > PHP: 5.2% > Perl: 9.8% > Python: 35.8% > > Interpret the numbers yourself! > > --Anand > > > On Jan 4, 2008 3:37 PM, wrote: > > Last year (May 2007) I posted a blog about comparing different package > > repositories (http://baijum81.livejournal.com/20775.html). > > > > The total number of packages in different repositories was like this: > > > > 1. Perl (11643) http://cpan.org/ > > 2. Python (2392) http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi > > 3. Ruby (1587) http://raa.ruby-lang.org/ > > 4. PHP (442) http://pear.php.net/packages.php > > > > > > When I read this thread I thought just revisit the repositories. > > Here is the new status: > > > > 1. Perl (12783) http://cpan.org/ > > 2. Python (3249) http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi > > 3. Ruby (1642) http://raa.ruby-lang.org/ > > 4. PHP (465) http://pear.php.net/packages.php > > > > Here is the increment details: > > Disclaimer: I am not a statistical guy :) > > > > #!/usr/bin/env python > > > > # May 21st 2007 > > perl1 = 11643 > > python1 = 2392 > > ruby1 = 1587 > > php1 = 442 > > > > # Jan 4th 2008 > > perl2 = 12783 > > python2 = 3249 > > ruby2 = 1642 > > php2 = 465 > > > > perld = perl2 - perl1 > > pythond = python2 - python1 > > rubyd = ruby2 - ruby1 > > phpd = php2 - php1 > > > > total = perld + pythond + rubyd + phpd > > > > print "Perl", (perld/float(total))*100 > > print "Python", (pythond/float(total))*100 > > print "Ruby", (rubyd/float(total))*100 > > print "PHP", (phpd/float(total))*100 > > > > # Output:- > > # > > # Perl 54.9397590361 > > # Python 41.3012048193 > > # Ruby 2.65060240964 > > # PHP 1.10843373494 > > > > Again, I am not going to any conclusions ;) > > > > Regards, > > Baiju M > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > -- > -Anand > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From abpillai at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 12:07:54 2008 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:37:54 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python grows in 2007 In-Reply-To: References: <8548c5f30801030517u497474a2kf22914df05a3f3bd@mail.gmail.com> <8548c5f30801030526i4c4233c4k897ad4c0a429c0e6@mail.gmail.com> <38682.200.65.127.161.1199441226.squirrel@muthukadan.net> <8548c5f30801040231r60f4d3a2i75ecf0c16a285437@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8548c5f30801040307m7bfb4731pc0d19fa1d9fceecf@mail.gmail.com> Hard book sales need not indicate growing popularity of a language. In a way it could indicate that the language is more used in the software industry, because the typical buyer of an open source language book does it for a company project. For Python the lesser book sales I think indicates that the language is so easy to learn from the Internet and from groups like this, that there is no real need of a hard copy of a book. Also Python has more free books (ebooks) out there then Ruby. Regarding the absolute percentage growth if language A grows from 10 packages to 15 it really means it *has* grown by 50% by itself and it is impressive. In this case the hypothetical language is real young, so growing from 10 to 15 is to be also considered as growth. There is no real way to compare this kind of a percentage *across* languages, which differ widely in their user base and code base. I think in the case of Python, PyPI is pretty incomplete. There are lots of excellent Python packages out in the wild which have not registered with PyPI. I am not a Perl monk, but I guess this is quite different in the case of CPAN which starts with "Comprehensive" as its first word anyway :) --Anand On Jan 4, 2008 4:23 PM, Indrajith K wrote: > Number of packages to a good extent can be taken as a indicator of the > reach of the language (though it makes sense more to languages like > python, perl, ruby etc). Perl has a long history. CPAN has almost > every thing you require. The growth won't be really feeble, still > number of packages for perl increased by 1140, python increased its > stretch by 857. I agree that python standard lib can replace many CPAN > modules, but it is hard to believe Python std lib + cheeseshop = perl > std lib + cpan. Python growth is great, but it has a long way to go. > To me ruby is not in my radar (though oreilly says the ruby books > sales out numbered python books in 2007, it is where Python was few > years ago). > > > On Jan 4, 2008 4:01 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > I think you made a mistake by dividing over the total number of > > packages. The percentages shown by dividing the incremental > > growth of say Perl by the total growth does not give any indication > > of an index. It is like adding apples to oranges. > > > > The more valid index is the relative growth of the package size > > w.r.t the previous package size i.e (p2-p1)*100/p1. That is very > > simple growth percentage of each language and here it is. > > > > Ruby: 3.5% > > PHP: 5.2% > > Perl: 9.8% > > Python: 35.8% > > > > Interpret the numbers yourself! > > > > --Anand > > > > > > On Jan 4, 2008 3:37 PM, wrote: > > > Last year (May 2007) I posted a blog about comparing different package > > > repositories (http://baijum81.livejournal.com/20775.html). > > > > > > The total number of packages in different repositories was like this: > > > > > > 1. Perl (11643) http://cpan.org/ > > > 2. Python (2392) http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi > > > 3. Ruby (1587) http://raa.ruby-lang.org/ > > > 4. PHP (442) http://pear.php.net/packages.php > > > > > > > > > When I read this thread I thought just revisit the repositories. > > > Here is the new status: > > > > > > 1. Perl (12783) http://cpan.org/ > > > 2. Python (3249) http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi > > > 3. Ruby (1642) http://raa.ruby-lang.org/ > > > 4. PHP (465) http://pear.php.net/packages.php > > > > > > Here is the increment details: > > > Disclaimer: I am not a statistical guy :) > > > > > > #!/usr/bin/env python > > > > > > # May 21st 2007 > > > perl1 = 11643 > > > python1 = 2392 > > > ruby1 = 1587 > > > php1 = 442 > > > > > > # Jan 4th 2008 > > > perl2 = 12783 > > > python2 = 3249 > > > ruby2 = 1642 > > > php2 = 465 > > > > > > perld = perl2 - perl1 > > > pythond = python2 - python1 > > > rubyd = ruby2 - ruby1 > > > phpd = php2 - php1 > > > > > > total = perld + pythond + rubyd + phpd > > > > > > print "Perl", (perld/float(total))*100 > > > print "Python", (pythond/float(total))*100 > > > print "Ruby", (rubyd/float(total))*100 > > > print "PHP", (phpd/float(total))*100 > > > > > > # Output:- > > > # > > > # Perl 54.9397590361 > > > # Python 41.3012048193 > > > # Ruby 2.65060240964 > > > # PHP 1.10843373494 > > > > > > Again, I am not going to any conclusions ;) > > > > > > Regards, > > > Baiju M > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > BangPypers mailing list > > > BangPypers at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -Anand > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- -Anand From sridhar.ratna at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 13:04:46 2008 From: sridhar.ratna at gmail.com (Sridhar Ratnakumar) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 17:34:46 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python grows in 2007 In-Reply-To: <7c73a13a0801030647od55e3b5j354847eafaebbbf2@mail.gmail.com> References: <8548c5f30801030517u497474a2kf22914df05a3f3bd@mail.gmail.com> <8548c5f30801030526i4c4233c4k897ad4c0a429c0e6@mail.gmail.com> <603b7e560801030623k7d6c73b3v94eadf8e72d47e81@mail.gmail.com> <7c73a13a0801030647od55e3b5j354847eafaebbbf2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c73a13a0801040404j52a39016x9127a3c419deda80@mail.gmail.com> 'Comments ratio' looks interesting, http://www.ohloh.net/languages?sort=comment_ratio (ohloh covers most active open source projects) The lack of abstractions in Java code is reflected by its huge 35% comment ratio! Python is way below in rank for obvious reasons. :-) -- http://nearfar.org/ From ramdas at developeriq.com Fri Jan 4 15:54:42 2008 From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 20:24:42 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python grows in 2007 In-Reply-To: <7c73a13a0801040404j52a39016x9127a3c419deda80@mail.gmail.com> References: <8548c5f30801030517u497474a2kf22914df05a3f3bd@mail.gmail.com> <8548c5f30801030526i4c4233c4k897ad4c0a429c0e6@mail.gmail.com> <603b7e560801030623k7d6c73b3v94eadf8e72d47e81@mail.gmail.com> <7c73a13a0801030647od55e3b5j354847eafaebbbf2@mail.gmail.com> <7c73a13a0801040404j52a39016x9127a3c419deda80@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e38f9f00801040654n69f6d3b5j2315f52c21a2d134@mail.gmail.com> My guess is that popularity impact has to be in terms of number of jobs (commercial/freelance) out there. Books are fair indication of hype, but not necessarily the actual use of a language/technology. However what I feel is more important is the impact based on the strategies rolled out by global leaders in technology. Whatever said there is a huge momentum favouring Ruby, which is real and number of vendors are heavily betting on Ruby as a language and Rails as a platform. Though the number of developers knowing/writing Python eclipses number of Ruby/Rails developers many vendors feel that there will be more enterprise developers writing code in Ruby very soon. For example Code Gear( a Borland Company) has shipped a commercial IDE for Ruby/Rails. I did meet their CEO in person when he was in Bangalore. He said that they are looking at Python, but does not see Python as an opportunity among serious developers who will cough up money for a professional IDE. Similarly Sun Microsystems is planning to bet heavily on Ruby, with JRuby and is infact expected to officially recommend JRuby powered Rails as an alternate for Java to millions of developers when it comes to non enterprise web development. Sun is also expecting to roll out a strategy for Python (Jython) but that might only roll out in end of 2008. However, official tag line is that their strategy around Python( Jython) will not revolve around the web, but will position Python for an alternate market. Folks whom I know at Sun, tells me that they have done a research among their enterprise customers, and more of these companies are siding Ruby, and in fact they fear that before their developer base abandon Java for Ruby, they'd like to get Ruby on the Java wagon. While it is good to celebrate such trivial trends in this thread, the stark reality is that Ruby is stealing the thunder from Python, and it is a fact. Please do not interpret it in any other sense, I am still a strong Python loyalist and recommend the language any day over any other language, and probabaly will remain the same for many more years to come. Ramdas On Jan 4, 2008 5:34 PM, Sridhar Ratnakumar wrote: > 'Comments ratio' looks interesting, > http://www.ohloh.net/languages?sort=comment_ratio (ohloh covers most > active open source projects) > > The lack of abstractions in Java code is reflected by its huge 35% > comment ratio! Python is way below in rank for obvious reasons. :-) > > > -- > http://nearfar.org/ > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just about anyone interested in python, django and web development can come in. Ramdas _______________________________________________ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080105/a1ca9c32/attachment.htm From bharath.keshav at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 16:29:16 2008 From: bharath.keshav at gmail.com (Bharath Keshav) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 20:59:16 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00801050708k2cf27c79re7aaa8dc807f9aab@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801050708k2cf27c79re7aaa8dc807f9aab@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I am interested in attending the meeting. Probably, one or two more guys from my company who are working on Django, also might be interested in this. regards, Bharath On Jan 5, 2008 8:38 PM, Ramdas S wrote: > Dear all, > > It's been sometime since we had a Bangpypers meet up. I was wondering > whether there is enough interest in having a Django specific meet among > users in the group. I am looking at a date end of January. > > If anyone is interested do reply, and if we can have at least 3 confirmed > attendees, then we will even call for it in Django Users group. > > Just about anyone interested in python, django and web development can > come in. > > Ramdas > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080105/83582204/attachment.htm From rmathews at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 19:58:43 2008 From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 00:28:43 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <586572.16098.qm@web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <6e38f9f00801050708k2cf27c79re7aaa8dc807f9aab@mail.gmail.com> <586572.16098.qm@web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1c4dc2780801051058p94e7e45j73c4a014b6e3b016@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 5, 2008 8:38 PM, Ramdas S wrote: > It's been sometime since we had a Bangpypers meet up. I was wondering > whether there is enough interest in having a Django specific meet among > users in the group. I am looking at a date end of January. > This sounds very interesting, can you be more specific about the time and place, and what about Django will be discussed. On Jan 5, 2008 8:46 PM, M.V.Ramana Murty wrote: > Good Idea and I m intrested. But like to see its about intoduction or a meet > of advanced users. > Meets for beginners usually turn out to be pretty bad, maybe people could read up on what they need to before the meet. :) -- Roshan Mathews From lorddaemon at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 22:46:51 2008 From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Darkseid) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 03:16:51 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2780801051058p94e7e45j73c4a014b6e3b016@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801050708k2cf27c79re7aaa8dc807f9aab@mail.gmail.com> <586572.16098.qm@web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1c4dc2780801051058p94e7e45j73c4a014b6e3b016@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <477FFACB.20102@gmail.com> Yes please. I need to pick people's brains about django in production. As always, I can arrange for place, projectors, food etc. in ThoughtWorks. Best, Sidu. http://blog.sidu.in -- Two's an SMS. Three's a Mob. Get your free group SMS from Activ Mobs! SMS "register your_nickname" to +91 98446 22848 to start Mobbing. http://blog.inactiv.com From =?UTF-8?Q?Pradeep_Kishore_Gowda_=E0=B2=AA=E0=B3=8D=E0=B2=B0?= Sun Jan 6 05:28:40 2008 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Pradeep_Kishore_Gowda_=E0=B2=AA=E0=B3=8D=E0=B2=B0?= (=?UTF-8?Q?Pradeep_Kishore_Gowda_=E0=B2=AA=E0=B3=8D=E0=B2=B0?=) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 09:58:40 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <477FFACB.20102@gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801050708k2cf27c79re7aaa8dc807f9aab@mail.gmail.com> <586572.16098.qm@web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1c4dc2780801051058p94e7e45j73c4a014b6e3b016@mail.gmail.com> <477FFACB.20102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2D210F2C-898D-4849-B6AC-B7A3099B0CCC@btbytes.com> On 06-Jan-08, at 3:16 AM, Darkseid wrote: > Yes please. I need to pick people's brains about django in production. > As always, I can arrange for place, projectors, food etc. in > ThoughtWorks. > Count me in. -Pradeep From ramdas at developeriq.com Sun Jan 6 07:59:19 2008 From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 12:29:19 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <2D210F2C-898D-4849-B6AC-B7A3099B0CCC@btbytes.com> References: <6e38f9f00801050708k2cf27c79re7aaa8dc807f9aab@mail.gmail.com> <586572.16098.qm@web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1c4dc2780801051058p94e7e45j73c4a014b6e3b016@mail.gmail.com> <477FFACB.20102@gmail.com> <2D210F2C-898D-4849-B6AC-B7A3099B0CCC@btbytes.com> Message-ID: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> Great! What abt last saturday of the month? I am comfortable with Thoughtworks I agree while newbies are welcome, the discussions need to be beyond writing a blog/wiki/to-do stuff in Django. I consider Django as the big hope for a mass based Python web development platform, like RAILS/LAMP. I am not qualified to comment on the other python platforms from a technology point of view, but when it comes to market share and mind share, Django seems to have half of the script right. I am certainly not inviting a flame war on the above paragraph, we had enough of that. If everyone is OK with Thoughtworks, which is in Diamond District, Airport Road, please indicate so or suggest alternate places. The ideal time according to me is a saturday 4 PM. You are welcome to suggest alternatives too. Also we may need to have a rough schedule in place. Thanks Ramdas On Jan 6, 2008 9:58 AM, Pradeep Kishore Gowda ??????? ?????? ??? < pradeep at btbytes.com> wrote: > > On 06-Jan-08, at 3:16 AM, Darkseid wrote: > > > Yes please. I need to pick people's brains about django in production. > > As always, I can arrange for place, projectors, food etc. in > > ThoughtWorks. > > > > Count me in. > -Pradeep > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080106/5ab8fa4f/attachment.htm From murty_murty at yahoo.com Sun Jan 6 11:09:44 2008 From: murty_murty at yahoo.com (M.V.Ramana Murty) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 02:09:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <98896.96042.qm@web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I am Ok with ThoughtWorks. Ramdas S wrote: Great! What abt last saturday of the month? I am comfortable with Thoughtworks I agree while newbies are welcome, the discussions need to be beyond writing a blog/wiki/to-do stuff in Django. I consider Django as the big hope for a mass based Python web development platform, like RAILS/LAMP. I am not qualified to comment on the other python platforms from a technology point of view, but when it comes to market share and mind share, Django seems to have half of the script right. I am certainly not inviting a flame war on the above paragraph, we had enough of that. If everyone is OK with Thoughtworks, which is in Diamond District, Airport Road, please indicate so or suggest alternate places. The ideal time according to me is a saturday 4 PM. You are welcome to suggest alternatives too. Also we may need to have a rough schedule in place. Thanks Ramdas On Jan 6, 2008 9:58 AM, Pradeep Kishore Gowda ????????????????????? ?????????????????? ????????? wrote: On 06-Jan-08, at 3:16 AM, Darkseid wrote: > Yes please. I need to pick people's brains about django in production. > As always, I can arrange for place, projectors, food etc. in > ThoughtWorks. > Count me in. -Pradeep _______________________________________________ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers _______________________________________________ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080106/0e25ea44/attachment.htm From ramdas at developeriq.com Sun Jan 6 17:38:01 2008 From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 22:08:01 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <7dd811cb0801060807k13d85901o7d9fec2eb7d19665@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <98896.96042.qm@web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7dd811cb0801060807k13d85901o7d9fec2eb7d19665@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e38f9f00801060838y604b0c5eq3bbcc2a86919f56c@mail.gmail.com> I hope not! I am sure the idea is to mainly meet developers, and get to know the kind of projects which people are working on. It is not practical for anyone to expect that they learn Django or any XYZ technology by attending a user group meeting. I am sure you might meet django/python experts there. Some of the names who replied to the mails are known to me and are well- known python veterans. RS On Jan 6, 2008 9:37 PM, Rohan Sharma wrote: > Hey, I'm new here and interested in meeting some fellow Python users. > However, I do not know much about Django and web development in general. > Will I be lost? > > > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080106/ce05da4b/attachment.htm From ramdas at developeriq.com Mon Jan 7 15:46:51 2008 From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:16:51 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00801060838y604b0c5eq3bbcc2a86919f56c@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <98896.96042.qm@web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7dd811cb0801060807k13d85901o7d9fec2eb7d19665@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801060838y604b0c5eq3bbcc2a86919f56c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e38f9f00801070646p26dc106eraf40fd040affb6fd@mail.gmail.com> Hello, Can we have a consensus on the date and venue and can someone officially confirm availability @ Thoughtworks. Would like to post the same Ramdas On Jan 6, 2008 10:08 PM, Ramdas S wrote: > I hope not! I am sure the idea is to mainly meet developers, and get to > know the kind of projects which people are working on. It is not practical > for anyone to expect that they learn Django or any XYZ technology by > attending a user group meeting. > > I am sure you might meet django/python experts there. Some of the names > who replied to the mails are known to me and are well- known python > veterans. > > RS > > > On Jan 6, 2008 9:37 PM, Rohan Sharma < gates.plusplus at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hey, I'm new here and interested in meeting some fellow Python users. > > However, I do not know much about Django and web development in general. > > Will I be lost? > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080107/a9269e2d/attachment.htm From lorddaemon at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 17:26:48 2008 From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Darkseid) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 21:56:48 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00801070646p26dc106eraf40fd040affb6fd@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <98896.96042.qm@web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7dd811cb0801060807k13d85901o7d9fec2eb7d19665@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801060838y604b0c5eq3bbcc2a86919f56c@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801070646p26dc106eraf40fd040affb6fd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478252C8.6050507@gmail.com> Guys, Let's settle the dates, then I can go ahead and confirm availability. Thanks, Sidu. http://blog.sidu.in Ramdas S wrote: > Hello, > > Can we have a consensus on the date and venue and can someone > officially confirm availability @ Thoughtworks. Would like to post the > same > > Ramdas -- Two's an SMS. Three's a Mob. Get your free group SMS from Activ Mobs! SMS "register your_nickname" to +91 98446 22848 to start Mobbing. http://blog.inactiv.com From rmathews at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 04:26:40 2008 From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 08:56:40 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <478252C8.6050507@gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <98896.96042.qm@web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7dd811cb0801060807k13d85901o7d9fec2eb7d19665@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801060838y604b0c5eq3bbcc2a86919f56c@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801070646p26dc106eraf40fd040affb6fd@mail.gmail.com> <478252C8.6050507@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1c4dc2780801071926h1083953bt8d12962766394aa@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 7, 2008 9:56 PM, Darkseid wrote: > Let's settle the dates, then I can go ahead and confirm availability. > 2/3rd Feb weekend ... or this weekend or the 19/20th weekend. Am just trying to avoid the 26/27th weekend. :) -- Roshan Mathews From =?UTF-8?Q?Pradeep_Kishore_Gowda_=E0=B2=AA=E0=B3=8D=E0=B2=B0?= Tue Jan 8 04:31:11 2008 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Pradeep_Kishore_Gowda_=E0=B2=AA=E0=B3=8D=E0=B2=B0?= (=?UTF-8?Q?Pradeep_Kishore_Gowda_=E0=B2=AA=E0=B3=8D=E0=B2=B0?=) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 09:01:11 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2780801071926h1083953bt8d12962766394aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <98896.96042.qm@web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7dd811cb0801060807k13d85901o7d9fec2eb7d19665@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801060838y604b0c5eq3bbcc2a86919f56c@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801070646p26dc106eraf40fd040affb6fd@mail.gmail.com> <478252C8.6050507@gmail.com> <1c4dc2780801071926h1083953bt8d12962766394aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <21B839B4-0AA5-4577-90E3-6562A98D2D7C@btbytes.com> On 08-Jan-08, at 8:56 AM, Roshan Mathews wrote: > On Jan 7, 2008 9:56 PM, Darkseid wrote: >> Let's settle the dates, then I can go ahead and confirm availability. >> > 2/3rd Feb weekend ... or this weekend or the 19/20th weekend. Am just > trying to avoid the 26/27th weekend. :) > I'm occupied on 12/13 and 19th with python related work :) I'm ok with 25/26 or 2/3 feb. Regards, Pradeep From allagappan at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 06:11:26 2008 From: allagappan at gmail.com (Allagappan M) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 10:41:26 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <21B839B4-0AA5-4577-90E3-6562A98D2D7C@btbytes.com> References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <98896.96042.qm@web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7dd811cb0801060807k13d85901o7d9fec2eb7d19665@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801060838y604b0c5eq3bbcc2a86919f56c@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801070646p26dc106eraf40fd040affb6fd@mail.gmail.com> <478252C8.6050507@gmail.com> <1c4dc2780801071926h1083953bt8d12962766394aa@mail.gmail.com> <21B839B4-0AA5-4577-90E3-6562A98D2D7C@btbytes.com> Message-ID: <9c15b6180801072111v66bb2db2g23e26d181ac5c91b@mail.gmail.com> Hi, On Jan 8, 2008 9:01 AM, Pradeep Kishore Gowda ??????? ?????? ??? wrote: > > I'm occupied on 12/13 and 19th with python related work :) > I'm ok with 25/26 or 2/3 feb. Feb 2/3 clashes with Fossconf Chennai[1]. Please have it on 25/26. Thanks, Allagappan [1] http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ From ramdas at developeriq.com Tue Jan 8 08:35:30 2008 From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 13:05:30 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <9c15b6180801072111v66bb2db2g23e26d181ac5c91b@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <98896.96042.qm@web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7dd811cb0801060807k13d85901o7d9fec2eb7d19665@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801060838y604b0c5eq3bbcc2a86919f56c@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801070646p26dc106eraf40fd040affb6fd@mail.gmail.com> <478252C8.6050507@gmail.com> <1c4dc2780801071926h1083953bt8d12962766394aa@mail.gmail.com> <21B839B4-0AA5-4577-90E3-6562A98D2D7C@btbytes.com> <9c15b6180801072111v66bb2db2g23e26d181ac5c91b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e38f9f00801072335r34419693ge2c721e891851322@mail.gmail.com> 26th looks to be a good date. I guess we will never be able to get a date that is agreeable to everyone. So let's freeze 26th. I am sorry to anyone who finds it difficult on that date. If Thoughtworks is available, we can look at Thoughtworks or else some other place. sid, can you advise availability Ramdas On Jan 8, 2008 10:41 AM, Allagappan M wrote: > Hi, > > On Jan 8, 2008 9:01 AM, Pradeep Kishore Gowda ??????? ?????? ??? > wrote: > > > > I'm occupied on 12/13 and 19th with python related work :) > > I'm ok with 25/26 or 2/3 feb. > > Feb 2/3 clashes with Fossconf Chennai[1]. Please have it on 25/26. > > Thanks, > Allagappan > > [1] http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080108/0f19bd62/attachment.htm From lorddaemon at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 10:52:56 2008 From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Darkseid) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:22:56 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2780801071926h1083953bt8d12962766394aa@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <98896.96042.qm@web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7dd811cb0801060807k13d85901o7d9fec2eb7d19665@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801060838y604b0c5eq3bbcc2a86919f56c@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801070646p26dc106eraf40fd040affb6fd@mail.gmail.com> <478252C8.6050507@gmail.com> <1c4dc2780801071926h1083953bt8d12962766394aa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478347F8.1030406@gmail.com> I'm afraid I personally won't be here on Feb 2/3 (a close friend's wedding). I would appreciate it if you could pick another weekend as I'd hate to miss this ... Sidu http://blog.sidu.in Roshan Mathews wrote: > On Jan 7, 2008 9:56 PM, Darkseid wrote: > >> Let's settle the dates, then I can go ahead and confirm availability. >> >> > 2/3rd Feb weekend ... or this weekend or the 19/20th weekend. Am just > trying to avoid the 26/27th weekend. :) > > -- Two's an SMS. Three's a Mob. Get your free group SMS from Activ Mobs! SMS "register your_nickname" to +91 98446 22848 to start Mobbing. http://blog.inactiv.com From lorddaemon at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 10:53:48 2008 From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Darkseid) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:23:48 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00801072335r34419693ge2c721e891851322@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <98896.96042.qm@web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7dd811cb0801060807k13d85901o7d9fec2eb7d19665@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801060838y604b0c5eq3bbcc2a86919f56c@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801070646p26dc106eraf40fd040affb6fd@mail.gmail.com> <478252C8.6050507@gmail.com> <1c4dc2780801071926h1083953bt8d12962766394aa@mail.gmail.com> <21B839B4-0AA5-4577-90E3-6562A98D2D7C@btbytes.com> <9c15b6180801072111v66bb2db2g23e26d181ac5c91b@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801072335r34419693ge2c721e891851322@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4783482C.9060004@gmail.com> Sure 26th should be fine, let me confirm that. Sidu http://blog.sidu.in Ramdas S wrote: > 26th looks to be a good date. > > I guess we will never be able to get a date that is agreeable to > everyone. So let's freeze 26th. I am sorry to anyone who finds it > difficult on that date. > > If Thoughtworks is available, we can look at Thoughtworks or else some > other place. > > sid, can you advise availability > > Ramdas > > On Jan 8, 2008 10:41 AM, Allagappan M > wrote: > > Hi, > > On Jan 8, 2008 9:01 AM, Pradeep Kishore Gowda ??????? ?????? ??? > > wrote: > > > > I'm occupied on 12/13 and 19th with python related work :) > > I'm ok with 25/26 or 2/3 feb. > > Feb 2/3 clashes with Fossconf Chennai[1]. Please have it on 25/26. > > Thanks, > Allagappan > > [1] http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- Two's an SMS. Three's a Mob. Get your free group SMS from Activ Mobs! SMS "register your_nickname" to +91 98446 22848 to start Mobbing. http://blog.inactiv.com From sridhar.ratna at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 15:24:03 2008 From: sridhar.ratna at gmail.com (Sridhar Ratnakumar) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:54:03 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python grows in 2007 In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00801040654n69f6d3b5j2315f52c21a2d134@mail.gmail.com> References: <8548c5f30801030517u497474a2kf22914df05a3f3bd@mail.gmail.com> <8548c5f30801030526i4c4233c4k897ad4c0a429c0e6@mail.gmail.com> <603b7e560801030623k7d6c73b3v94eadf8e72d47e81@mail.gmail.com> <7c73a13a0801030647od55e3b5j354847eafaebbbf2@mail.gmail.com> <7c73a13a0801040404j52a39016x9127a3c419deda80@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801040654n69f6d3b5j2315f52c21a2d134@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c73a13a0801090624p52717240uaee4e191ac846274@mail.gmail.com> http://blog.showmedo.com/2008/01/08/growth-in-python-project-popularity/ -- http://nearfar.org/ From abpillai at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 07:24:32 2008 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:54:32 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python grows in 2007 In-Reply-To: <7c73a13a0801090624p52717240uaee4e191ac846274@mail.gmail.com> References: <8548c5f30801030517u497474a2kf22914df05a3f3bd@mail.gmail.com> <8548c5f30801030526i4c4233c4k897ad4c0a429c0e6@mail.gmail.com> <603b7e560801030623k7d6c73b3v94eadf8e72d47e81@mail.gmail.com> <7c73a13a0801030647od55e3b5j354847eafaebbbf2@mail.gmail.com> <7c73a13a0801040404j52a39016x9127a3c419deda80@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801040654n69f6d3b5j2315f52c21a2d134@mail.gmail.com> <7c73a13a0801090624p52717240uaee4e191ac846274@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8548c5f30801092224n43f3e1efxda15b05437353d05@mail.gmail.com> Well, that kind of goes against the theory that Python growth was mostly due to Zope related packages, doesn't it ? --Anand On Jan 9, 2008 7:54 PM, Sridhar Ratnakumar wrote: > http://blog.showmedo.com/2008/01/08/growth-in-python-project-popularity/ > > -- > > http://nearfar.org/ > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- -Anand From abpillai at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 07:22:51 2008 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:52:51 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python grows in 2007 In-Reply-To: <7c73a13a0801090624p52717240uaee4e191ac846274@mail.gmail.com> References: <8548c5f30801030517u497474a2kf22914df05a3f3bd@mail.gmail.com> <8548c5f30801030526i4c4233c4k897ad4c0a429c0e6@mail.gmail.com> <603b7e560801030623k7d6c73b3v94eadf8e72d47e81@mail.gmail.com> <7c73a13a0801030647od55e3b5j354847eafaebbbf2@mail.gmail.com> <7c73a13a0801040404j52a39016x9127a3c419deda80@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801040654n69f6d3b5j2315f52c21a2d134@mail.gmail.com> <7c73a13a0801090624p52717240uaee4e191ac846274@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8548c5f30801092222t53b05619i2b4acb7cfeaef22a@mail.gmail.com> The TIOBE page has been updated. TIOBE declares Python as the programming language of 2007. http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm --Anand On Jan 9, 2008 7:54 PM, Sridhar Ratnakumar wrote: > http://blog.showmedo.com/2008/01/08/growth-in-python-project-popularity/ > > -- > > http://nearfar.org/ > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- -Anand From abpillai at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 07:30:22 2008 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:00:22 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Didn't we miss this ? Message-ID: <8548c5f30801092230i3c41bc08u36d322feba83df3f@mail.gmail.com> Siddhi, who is part of the group had won a contest for most video plays of the month for his "Learn Django - Create a wiki in 20 minutes" at ShowMeDo.com . Jeff Rush blogged about it, I am sorry the news is a bit old. I am posting it now because I think it was not mentioned anywhere in this list. http://python-advocacy.blogspot.com/2007/09/showmedocom-announces-winner-of-most.html Congrats Siddhi! -- -Anand From pradeep at btbytes.com Thu Jan 10 08:01:38 2008 From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Kishore Gowda) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:31:38 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python grows in 2007 In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30801092224n43f3e1efxda15b05437353d05@mail.gmail.com> References: <8548c5f30801030517u497474a2kf22914df05a3f3bd@mail.gmail.com> <8548c5f30801030526i4c4233c4k897ad4c0a429c0e6@mail.gmail.com> <603b7e560801030623k7d6c73b3v94eadf8e72d47e81@mail.gmail.com> <7c73a13a0801030647od55e3b5j354847eafaebbbf2@mail.gmail.com> <7c73a13a0801040404j52a39016x9127a3c419deda80@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801040654n69f6d3b5j2315f52c21a2d134@mail.gmail.com> <7c73a13a0801090624p52717240uaee4e191ac846274@mail.gmail.com> <8548c5f30801092224n43f3e1efxda15b05437353d05@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3e3294b70801092301j68307e58n6eac3fdff3017025@mail.gmail.com> On 1/10/08, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > Well, that kind of goes against the theory that Python growth was mostly due > to Zope related packages, doesn't it ? > O RLY!? AFAIK, I was the one who mentioned zope packages, so let me point out something. I said, the growth in the number of python packages on PyPI is partly due to lot of zope related packages, whereas this statistics talks about the *downloads*. They are two completely different statistics. Cheers, Pradeep From abpillai at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 08:23:20 2008 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:53:20 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python grows in 2007 In-Reply-To: <3e3294b70801092301j68307e58n6eac3fdff3017025@mail.gmail.com> References: <8548c5f30801030517u497474a2kf22914df05a3f3bd@mail.gmail.com> <8548c5f30801030526i4c4233c4k897ad4c0a429c0e6@mail.gmail.com> <603b7e560801030623k7d6c73b3v94eadf8e72d47e81@mail.gmail.com> <7c73a13a0801030647od55e3b5j354847eafaebbbf2@mail.gmail.com> <7c73a13a0801040404j52a39016x9127a3c419deda80@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801040654n69f6d3b5j2315f52c21a2d134@mail.gmail.com> <7c73a13a0801090624p52717240uaee4e191ac846274@mail.gmail.com> <8548c5f30801092224n43f3e1efxda15b05437353d05@mail.gmail.com> <3e3294b70801092301j68307e58n6eac3fdff3017025@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8548c5f30801092323r25c681a2j3e173b2cb03b4d07@mail.gmail.com> I am not interested in fanning flames. Sorry to compare the wrong statistics. However it would be interesting to compare the downloads of these so-called Zope packages w.r.t the downloads of the other packages listed here. That would be a right comparison, won't it ? Increased downloads of existing or old packages do represent an increase in awareness or usage of that language, so this is an interesting index to look at. According to me, the Python package index really does not give much indication of any growth of Python, as does say the CPAN index gives for Perl. Comparing growth of package indexes can be a misleading index. TIOBE seems to use a simple search engine hit comparison. Though a rough and crude index, this does tend to act as a smooth index of the popularity of a language, canceling out the noises and variations in other more specific indices, since a search engine query covers every word about the language on the web, even blogs about it. Downloads of packages is a much more worthy index than many others. For example a 20% increase in downloads of Python language packages from the Python website (or its mirrors) can be directly considered as a 20% increase in its popularity or usage. --Anand On Jan 10, 2008 12:31 PM, Pradeep Kishore Gowda wrote: > On 1/10/08, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > Well, that kind of goes against the theory that Python growth was mostly due > > to Zope related packages, doesn't it ? > > > > O RLY!? > > AFAIK, I was the one who mentioned zope packages, so let me point out > something. > > I said, the growth in the number of python packages on PyPI is partly > due to lot of zope related packages, whereas this statistics talks > about the *downloads*. > > They are two completely different statistics. > > Cheers, > Pradeep > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- -Anand From dorai at thodla.com Thu Jan 10 08:41:30 2008 From: dorai at thodla.com (Dorai Thodla) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:11:30 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python grows in 2007 In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30801092323r25c681a2j3e173b2cb03b4d07@mail.gmail.com> References: <8548c5f30801030517u497474a2kf22914df05a3f3bd@mail.gmail.com> <603b7e560801030623k7d6c73b3v94eadf8e72d47e81@mail.gmail.com> <7c73a13a0801030647od55e3b5j354847eafaebbbf2@mail.gmail.com> <7c73a13a0801040404j52a39016x9127a3c419deda80@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801040654n69f6d3b5j2315f52c21a2d134@mail.gmail.com> <7c73a13a0801090624p52717240uaee4e191ac846274@mail.gmail.com> <8548c5f30801092224n43f3e1efxda15b05437353d05@mail.gmail.com> <3e3294b70801092301j68307e58n6eac3fdff3017025@mail.gmail.com> <8548c5f30801092323r25c681a2j3e173b2cb03b4d07@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <603b7e560801092341r1406d204pbc2e901b6e3fa8c@mail.gmail.com> There may be several other metrics too. 1. Increasing usage of the language in both open source and commercial packages 2. Job listings 3. Activity in the discussion groups The download activity may not completely measure since some distributions may include several standard packages (I may be completely out of line here). I also wanted to throw in this into the mix: http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/weblog/arch_d7_2008_01_05.shtml#e916 (might have been posted earlier) Dorai On Jan 10, 2008 12:53 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > I am not interested in fanning flames. Sorry to compare the wrong > statistics. > However it would be interesting to compare the downloads of these > so-called > Zope packages w.r.t the downloads of the other packages listed here. That > would be a right comparison, won't it ? > > Increased downloads of existing or old packages do represent an > increase in awareness or usage of that language, so this is an interesting > index to look at. > > According to me, the Python package index really does not give much > indication of any growth of Python, as does say the CPAN index gives for > Perl. > Comparing growth of package indexes can be a misleading index. > > TIOBE seems to use a simple search engine hit comparison. Though a > rough and crude index, this does tend to act as a smooth index of > the popularity of a language, canceling out the noises and variations > in other more specific indices, since a search engine query covers every > word > about the language on the web, even blogs about it. > > Downloads of packages is a much more worthy index than many others. > For example a 20% increase in downloads of Python language packages > from the Python website (or its mirrors) can be directly considered as a > 20% increase in its popularity or usage. > > --Anand > > On Jan 10, 2008 12:31 PM, Pradeep Kishore Gowda > wrote: > > On 1/10/08, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > > Well, that kind of goes against the theory that Python growth was > mostly due > > > to Zope related packages, doesn't it ? > > > > > > > O RLY!? > > > > AFAIK, I was the one who mentioned zope packages, so let me point out > > something. > > > > I said, the growth in the number of python packages on PyPI is partly > > due to lot of zope related packages, whereas this statistics talks > > about the *downloads*. > > > > They are two completely different statistics. > > > > Cheers, > > Pradeep > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > -- > -Anand > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- Dorai Thodla (http://www.thodla.com) US: 650-206-2688 India: 98408 89258 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080110/c403c371/attachment.htm From dorai at thodla.com Sat Jan 12 05:11:40 2008 From: dorai at thodla.com (Dorai Thodla) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:41:40 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Web Frameworks and Web Hosts Message-ID: <603b7e560801112011s287ac3d8j3ba6d1e213444a6@mail.gmail.com> " Well. Actually, "problems". As I see it, there are three major issues facing frameworks on shared hosting. First off, the new wave of popular frameworks all make a clean break from a traditional CGI-style model where the application is simply loaded and executed fresh on each and every request; this is a necessary change (reloading a framework like Rails or Django on every request would result in horrific performance), but one that causes headaches for web hosts. Second, the deployment options are so varied as to be bewildering; even when there's some sort of standard gateway protocol ? as with WSGI in Python ? there's still plenty of room for disagreement on how to actually *deploy* an application. To run with the WSGI example (and pick on Python a bit just to show I'm not engaging in any favoritism here): I can write an *application*that speaks WSGI fairly easily, and WSGI applications are for the most part interchangeable. But on the *server* side, it's not so clear: should the server learn to speak WSGI directly (? la mod_wsgi)? Should there be an intermediary to bridge the gap, like flup? If so, what protocol should the server and the intermediary use (flup can speak FastCGI, SCGI and AJP, for example)? Third, the new wave of frameworks are bringing languages like Ruby and Python onto shared hosting for the first time, and with that comes the problem of library support; there's a whole new world of standard modules hosts need to be aware of and be ready to support if they want to get serious about these frameworks, because asking the typical shared-hosting customer to go out and compile database adapters or image-manipulation libraries (if your AUP even allows that) simply won't work." http://www.b-list.org/weblog/2008/jan/10/hosts/ -- Dorai Thodla (http://www.thodla.com) US: 650-206-2688 India: 98408 89258 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080112/e539ad15/attachment.htm From ramdas at developeriq.com Sun Jan 13 15:33:13 2008 From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:03:13 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone knows something about VPS Hosting? Message-ID: <6e38f9f00801130633w7528db76nd8b29295f3f1dd9b@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I need some advice on VPS Hosting. Has anyone tried out any VPS Hosts for Django? How reliable are they? How are they better than dedi cated servers? Ramdas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080113/143f07da/attachment.htm From siddharta.lists at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 16:59:56 2008 From: siddharta.lists at gmail.com (Siddharta) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:29:56 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone knows something about VPS Hosting? In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00801130633w7528db76nd8b29295f3f1dd9b@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801130633w7528db76nd8b29295f3f1dd9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478A357C.4040908@gmail.com> I host my site with WebFaction. They have support for Django too. They are primarily a python based hosting company. They have shared & dedicated hosting.. not sure about VPS. I've been with them for a year and I've been really happy with them. http://www.webfaction.com/ -- Siddharta Govindaraj Ramdas S wrote: > Hi, > > I need some advice on VPS Hosting. Has anyone tried out any VPS Hosts > for Django? How reliable are they? How are they better than dedi cated > servers? > > Ramdas > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From ramdas at developeriq.com Sun Jan 13 17:10:53 2008 From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:40:53 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone knows something about VPS Hosting? In-Reply-To: <478A357C.4040908@gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801130633w7528db76nd8b29295f3f1dd9b@mail.gmail.com> <478A357C.4040908@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e38f9f00801130810y7fcf534anfdd4c1d1fe767c96@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I've seen webfaction, though never checked it. But can you install software that does not come as standard Python like Genshi, pyparsing with web faction Ramdas On Jan 13, 2008 9:29 PM, Siddharta wrote: > I host my site with WebFaction. They have support for Django too. They > are primarily a python based hosting company. They have shared & > dedicated hosting.. not sure about VPS. I've been with them for a year > and I've been really happy with them. > > http://www.webfaction.com/ > > -- > Siddharta Govindaraj > > Ramdas S wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I need some advice on VPS Hosting. Has anyone tried out any VPS Hosts > > for Django? How reliable are they? How are they better than dedi cated > > servers? > > > > Ramdas > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080113/aafa8931/attachment.htm From siddharta.lists at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 17:30:49 2008 From: siddharta.lists at gmail.com (Siddharta) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:00:49 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone knows something about VPS Hosting? In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00801130810y7fcf534anfdd4c1d1fe767c96@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801130633w7528db76nd8b29295f3f1dd9b@mail.gmail.com> <478A357C.4040908@gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801130810y7fcf534anfdd4c1d1fe767c96@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478A3CB9.2080900@gmail.com> Ramdas S wrote: > Hi, > > I've seen webfaction, though never checked it. But can you install > software that does not come as standard Python like Genshi, pyparsing > with web faction > > Ramdas Yes you can. It will get installed under your home directory. The python installation is configured to pick up modules from this directory. If it really must be in the global python installation, you can put in a ticket and they will install it for you. -- Siddharta Govindaraj From =?UTF-8?Q?Pradeep_Kishore_Gowda_=E0=B2=AA=E0=B3=8D=E0=B2=B0?= Sun Jan 13 17:32:03 2008 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Pradeep_Kishore_Gowda_=E0=B2=AA=E0=B3=8D=E0=B2=B0?= (=?UTF-8?Q?Pradeep_Kishore_Gowda_=E0=B2=AA=E0=B3=8D=E0=B2=B0?=) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:02:03 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone knows something about VPS Hosting? In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00801130810y7fcf534anfdd4c1d1fe767c96@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801130633w7528db76nd8b29295f3f1dd9b@mail.gmail.com> <478A357C.4040908@gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801130810y7fcf534anfdd4c1d1fe767c96@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <455E0F0D-80AD-4B85-ABC8-BA2C56796CB3@btbytes.com> On 13-Jan-08, at 9:40 PM, Ramdas S wrote: > Hi, > > I've seen webfaction, though never checked it. But can you install > software that does not come as standard Python like Genshi, > pyparsing with web faction Yes you can. You get your own $HOME/lib/python2.4 into which you can put pretty much anything. My first Production site using Django (a telco engg application), is running on Webfaction since May 2007 :) And I've only good things to say about webfaction. Go for it. I've also used VPS(Slicehost, Linode and Grokthis.net). However, for most apps the webfaction a/c is sufficient and enough. If you enjoy doing your own server administration, and have some exotic requirements (Say, you want to run NGINX server, which by the way is sooper cool server), VPS may be a good option . Otherwise webfaction gives a very good deal. You have to remember that all their plans include RAM amounts which apply to your app only. Basically the 60MB RAM (plan-1) is counted only towards your app and does not take into consideration the memory used by the OS, Webserver, DBServer etc., Which is a good thing. If I may hazard a guess, a 60MB shared-1 plan on WF may be better than running your own 128MB VPS. I've used Shared-1 and later upgraded to Shared-3 because we needed bigger harddisk. -Pradeep From ramdas at developeriq.com Sun Jan 13 17:38:37 2008 From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:08:37 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone knows something about VPS Hosting? In-Reply-To: <455E0F0D-80AD-4B85-ABC8-BA2C56796CB3@btbytes.com> References: <6e38f9f00801130633w7528db76nd8b29295f3f1dd9b@mail.gmail.com> <478A357C.4040908@gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801130810y7fcf534anfdd4c1d1fe767c96@mail.gmail.com> <455E0F0D-80AD-4B85-ABC8-BA2C56796CB3@btbytes.com> Message-ID: <6e38f9f00801130838r76e18f16y54b3a734485b4f24@mail.gmail.com> Guys, Thanks! Shall give webfaction a try. Ramdas On Jan 13, 2008 10:02 PM, Pradeep Kishore Gowda ??????? ?????? ??? < pradeep at btbytes.com> wrote: > > On 13-Jan-08, at 9:40 PM, Ramdas S wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I've seen webfaction, though never checked it. But can you install > > software that does not come as standard Python like Genshi, > > pyparsing with web faction > > Yes you can. > You get your own $HOME/lib/python2.4 into which you can put pretty > much anything. > > My first Production site using Django (a telco engg application), is > running on Webfaction since May 2007 :) > And I've only good things to say about webfaction. Go for it. > > I've also used VPS(Slicehost, Linode and Grokthis.net). > > However, for most apps the webfaction a/c is sufficient and enough. > > If you enjoy doing your own server administration, and have some > exotic requirements > (Say, you want to run NGINX server, which by the way is sooper cool > server), VPS may be a good option . Otherwise webfaction gives a very > good deal. > > You have to remember that all their plans include RAM amounts which > apply to your app only. > Basically the 60MB RAM (plan-1) is counted only towards your app and > does not take into consideration the memory used by the OS, > Webserver, DBServer etc., Which is a good thing. > If I may hazard a guess, a 60MB shared-1 plan on WF may be better > than running your own 128MB VPS. > > I've used Shared-1 and later upgraded to Shared-3 because we needed > bigger harddisk. > -Pradeep > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080113/76b4949e/attachment.htm From lorddaemon at gmail.com Sun Jan 13 22:12:53 2008 From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Darkseid) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:42:53 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone knows something about VPS Hosting? In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00801130633w7528db76nd8b29295f3f1dd9b@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801130633w7528db76nd8b29295f3f1dd9b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478A7ED5.8080603@gmail.com> I've had a very good experience with slicehost.com. If you're feeling wealthy (or have high traffic), Amazon's EC2 is an excellent option too. HTH, Sidu. Ramdas S wrote: > Hi, > > I need some advice on VPS Hosting. Has anyone tried out any VPS Hosts > for Django? How reliable are they? How are they better than dedi cated > servers? > > Ramdas > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- Two's an SMS. Three's a Mob. Get your free group SMS from Activ Mobs! SMS "register your_nickname" to +91 98446 22848 to start Mobbing. http://blog.inactiv.com From lorddaemon at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 07:32:09 2008 From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Darkseid) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:02:09 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00801072335r34419693ge2c721e891851322@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <98896.96042.qm@web52108.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <7dd811cb0801060807k13d85901o7d9fec2eb7d19665@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801060838y604b0c5eq3bbcc2a86919f56c@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801070646p26dc106eraf40fd040affb6fd@mail.gmail.com> <478252C8.6050507@gmail.com> <1c4dc2780801071926h1083953bt8d12962766394aa@mail.gmail.com> <21B839B4-0AA5-4577-90E3-6562A98D2D7C@btbytes.com> <9c15b6180801072111v66bb2db2g23e26d181ac5c91b@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801072335r34419693ge2c721e891851322@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478B01E9.5010508@gmail.com> Ok, TW is confirmed for Saturday, 26th Jan 2008. What time, though? Sidu http://blog.sidu.in Ramdas S wrote: > 26th looks to be a good date. > > I guess we will never be able to get a date that is agreeable to > everyone. So let's freeze 26th. I am sorry to anyone who finds it > difficult on that date. > > If Thoughtworks is available, we can look at Thoughtworks or else some > other place. > > sid, can you advise availability > > Ramdas > > -- Two's an SMS. Three's a Mob. Get your free group SMS from Activ Mobs! SMS "register your_nickname" to +91 98446 22848 to start Mobbing. http://blog.inactiv.com From abpillai at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 07:32:43 2008 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:02:43 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <478B01E9.5010508@gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <7dd811cb0801060807k13d85901o7d9fec2eb7d19665@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801060838y604b0c5eq3bbcc2a86919f56c@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801070646p26dc106eraf40fd040affb6fd@mail.gmail.com> <478252C8.6050507@gmail.com> <1c4dc2780801071926h1083953bt8d12962766394aa@mail.gmail.com> <21B839B4-0AA5-4577-90E3-6562A98D2D7C@btbytes.com> <9c15b6180801072111v66bb2db2g23e26d181ac5c91b@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801072335r34419693ge2c721e891851322@mail.gmail.com> <478B01E9.5010508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8548c5f30801132232j3abcbcd5r5718079914036078@mail.gmail.com> It has been a long time since a BangPypers meeting, so I plan to attend this. Can we have it at an agreeable time in the afternoon to late evening, say between 3.00 and 7.00 pm ? Personally, I prefer a timing from 4.00 - 6.30 pm. Thanks --Anand On Jan 14, 2008 12:02 PM, Darkseid wrote: > Ok, TW is confirmed for Saturday, 26th Jan 2008. What time, though? > > Sidu > http://blog.sidu.in > > Ramdas S wrote: > > 26th looks to be a good date. > > > > I guess we will never be able to get a date that is agreeable to > > everyone. So let's freeze 26th. I am sorry to anyone who finds it > > difficult on that date. > > > > If Thoughtworks is available, we can look at Thoughtworks or else some > > other place. > > > > sid, can you advise availability > > > > Ramdas > > > > > > -- > Two's an SMS. Three's a Mob. Get your free group SMS from Activ Mobs! > SMS "register your_nickname" to +91 98446 22848 to start Mobbing. > http://blog.inactiv.com > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- -Anand From ramdas at developeriq.com Mon Jan 14 08:20:52 2008 From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:50:52 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30801132232j3abcbcd5r5718079914036078@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801060838y604b0c5eq3bbcc2a86919f56c@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801070646p26dc106eraf40fd040affb6fd@mail.gmail.com> <478252C8.6050507@gmail.com> <1c4dc2780801071926h1083953bt8d12962766394aa@mail.gmail.com> <21B839B4-0AA5-4577-90E3-6562A98D2D7C@btbytes.com> <9c15b6180801072111v66bb2db2g23e26d181ac5c91b@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801072335r34419693ge2c721e891851322@mail.gmail.com> <478B01E9.5010508@gmail.com> <8548c5f30801132232j3abcbcd5r5718079914036078@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e38f9f00801132320y132dcbd1q93b131d724576a1@mail.gmail.com> I second the afternoon timing. 4 Pm to 6.30 Pm is fine. I am making an announcement shortly on Django-User list. Ramdas On Jan 14, 2008 12:02 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > It has been a long time since a BangPypers meeting, so I plan to attend > this. Can we have it at an agreeable time in the afternoon to late > evening, > say between 3.00 and 7.00 pm ? > > Personally, I prefer a timing from 4.00 - 6.30 pm. > > Thanks > > --Anand > > On Jan 14, 2008 12:02 PM, Darkseid wrote: > > Ok, TW is confirmed for Saturday, 26th Jan 2008. What time, though? > > > > Sidu > > http://blog.sidu.in > > > > Ramdas S wrote: > > > 26th looks to be a good date. > > > > > > I guess we will never be able to get a date that is agreeable to > > > everyone. So let's freeze 26th. I am sorry to anyone who finds it > > > difficult on that date. > > > > > > If Thoughtworks is available, we can look at Thoughtworks or else some > > > other place. > > > > > > sid, can you advise availability > > > > > > Ramdas > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Two's an SMS. Three's a Mob. Get your free group SMS from Activ Mobs! > > SMS "register your_nickname" to +91 98446 22848 to start Mobbing. > > http://blog.inactiv.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > -- > -Anand > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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PS: You can also personally communicate with me using this email or gtalk. -- http://nearfar.org/ From anandology at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 06:10:29 2008 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:40:29 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone knows something about VPS Hosting? In-Reply-To: <478A7ED5.8080603@gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801130633w7528db76nd8b29295f3f1dd9b@mail.gmail.com> <478A7ED5.8080603@gmail.com> Message-ID: <41139fcb0801142110k5a7a5eb2u21b7e977ffad3b35@mail.gmail.com> On 1/14/08, Darkseid wrote: > I've had a very good experience with slicehost.com. If you're feeling > wealthy (or have high traffic), Amazon's EC2 is an excellent option too. Even I am very happy with slicehost. From lorddaemon at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 14:24:53 2008 From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Darkseid) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:54:53 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Announcing DevCamp Bangalore 1 Message-ID: <478CB425.2090502@gmail.com> Hi everyone, Many of us have discussed setting up a niche camp for the software development community for some months now. Well, we're happy to announce that DevCamp Bangalore 1 is happening on February 9th 2008. DevCamp is an unconference for the software development community. It will focus on all aspects of crafting software in any language and on any platform, so if you're a developer, architect, analyst, sys-admin, tester or manager, this event is for you. You can find more details over at the wiki: http://www.devcamp.in Like most unconferences, DevCamp is completely free, but please don't forget to register ( http://www.devcamp.in/wiki/Register ). We are also looking for a few volunteers, so if you're interested please sign up at the volunteers mailing list ( http://groups.google.com/group/dev_motley_crew ) or you can contact either Kesava ( mkreddy_in aT yah0o d0t c0m ) or myself. Similarly, we are also on the lookout for sponsors - if you have anyone in mind, please refer them. Thanks, Sidu and Kesava. From dorai at thodla.com Wed Jan 16 07:52:11 2008 From: dorai at thodla.com (Dorai Thodla) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:22:11 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] SimCity released for Open Source (with Python integration) Message-ID: <603b7e560801152252p790dc61as9c1b7c6cb0e3ac8d@mail.gmail.com> The "MicropolisCore" project includes the latest Micropolis (SimCity) source code, cleaned up and recast into C++ classes, integrated into Python, using the wonderful SWIG interface generator tool. It also includes a Cairo based TileEngine, and a cellular automata machine CellEngine, which are independent but can be plugged together, so the tile engine can display cellular automata cells as well as SimCity tiles, or any other application's tiles. via: http://weblogs.asp.net/bsimser/archive/2008/01/10/simcity-source-code-released-to-the-wild-let-the-ports-begin.aspx -- Dorai Thodla (http://www.thodla.com) US: 650-206-2688 India: 98408 89258 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080116/bf03f9ef/attachment.htm From maverick4ml at yahoo.com Wed Jan 16 09:43:45 2008 From: maverick4ml at yahoo.com (sanal p) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:43:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [BangPypers] Hi all Message-ID: <345899.17979.qm@web44815.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi all, New year Greetings to all !.. I am new to this forum and a pythonist.. Is their any meetings/discussions in near time . I hope we could arrange some stuffs to learn and develop and contribute back to open source world.. regards, maverick --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080116/395a44ef/attachment.htm From gnuyoga at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 09:17:17 2008 From: gnuyoga at gmail.com (gnuyoga) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:47:17 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] Experience in Python/Linux Message-ID: <478DBD8D.2010707@gmail.com> hi folks, Urgent requirement for people with Python / Linux skills. Those who are intereted can mail their resumes to slashgnu at gmail.com - sree -- http://picasaweb.google.com/gnuyoga Each soul is potentially divine. The goal is to manifest the divine by controlling nature, internal or external. Do this by work or worship or psychic control or philosophy by one or more, or all of these and be free. From pradeep at btbytes.com Wed Jan 16 11:31:53 2008 From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Kishore Gowda) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:01:53 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] Experience in Python/Linux In-Reply-To: <478DBD8D.2010707@gmail.com> References: <478DBD8D.2010707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3e3294b70801160231k5a7fefa8ke61512f3266fbc52@mail.gmail.com> On 1/16/08, gnuyoga wrote: > Urgent requirement for people with Python / Linux skills. Those who are > intereted can mail their resumes to slashgnu at gmail.com Hi Sree, Information regarding the company seeking python developers and desired profile is a *must*. Generic calls are best avoided. Pradeep (moderator). -- Home - http://btbytes.com Heart - http://sampada.net Yummy! - http://konkanirecipes.com From lorddaemon at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 13:35:40 2008 From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Darkseid) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:05:40 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00801132320y132dcbd1q93b131d724576a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801060838y604b0c5eq3bbcc2a86919f56c@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801070646p26dc106eraf40fd040affb6fd@mail.gmail.com> <478252C8.6050507@gmail.com> <1c4dc2780801071926h1083953bt8d12962766394aa@mail.gmail.com> <21B839B4-0AA5-4577-90E3-6562A98D2D7C@btbytes.com> <9c15b6180801072111v66bb2db2g23e26d181ac5c91b@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801072335r34419693ge2c721e891851322@mail.gmail.com> <478B01E9.5010508@gmail.com> <8548c5f30801132232j3abcbcd5r5718079914036078@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801132320y132dcbd1q93b131d724576a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <478DFA1C.5020403@gmail.com> So I'm going to book a room in TW from 4:00pm to 7:00 pm for Saturday, 26th Jan 2008. That's ok, right? ty, Sidu. http://blog.sidu.in Ramdas S wrote: > I second the afternoon timing. 4 Pm to 6.30 Pm is fine. I am making an > announcement shortly on Django-User list. > > Ramdas > > On Jan 14, 2008 12:02 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < > abpillai at gmail.com > wrote: > > It has been a long time since a BangPypers meeting, so I plan to > attend > this. Can we have it at an agreeable time in the afternoon to late > evening, > say between 3.00 and 7.00 pm ? > > Personally, I prefer a timing from 4.00 - 6.30 pm. > > Thanks > > --Anand > > On Jan 14, 2008 12:02 PM, Darkseid > wrote: > > Ok, TW is confirmed for Saturday, 26th Jan 2008. What time, though? > > > > Sidu > > http://blog.sidu.in > > > > Ramdas S wrote: > > > 26th looks to be a good date. > > > > > > I guess we will never be able to get a date that is agreeable to > > > everyone. So let's freeze 26th. I am sorry to anyone who finds it > > > difficult on that date. > > > > > > If Thoughtworks is available, we can look at Thoughtworks or > else some > > > other place. > > > > > > sid, can you advise availability > > > > > > Ramdas > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Two's an SMS. Three's a Mob. Get your free group SMS from Activ > Mobs! > > SMS "register your_nickname" to +91 98446 22848 to start Mobbing. > > http://blog.inactiv.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > > -- > -Anand > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- Two's an SMS. Three's a Mob. Get your free group SMS from Activ Mobs! SMS "register your_nickname" to +91 98446 22848 to start Mobbing. http://blog.inactiv.com From ramdas at developeriq.com Wed Jan 16 13:31:41 2008 From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:01:41 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <478DFA1C.5020403@gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <478252C8.6050507@gmail.com> <1c4dc2780801071926h1083953bt8d12962766394aa@mail.gmail.com> <21B839B4-0AA5-4577-90E3-6562A98D2D7C@btbytes.com> <9c15b6180801072111v66bb2db2g23e26d181ac5c91b@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801072335r34419693ge2c721e891851322@mail.gmail.com> <478B01E9.5010508@gmail.com> <8548c5f30801132232j3abcbcd5r5718079914036078@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801132320y132dcbd1q93b131d724576a1@mail.gmail.com> <478DFA1C.5020403@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e38f9f00801160431h34b29ddbs6bdede547a197d0@mail.gmail.com> Someone please second this arrangement and we are on..... Ramdas On Jan 16, 2008 6:05 PM, Darkseid wrote: > So I'm going to book a room in TW from 4:00pm to 7:00 pm for Saturday, > 26th Jan 2008. That's ok, right? > > ty, > Sidu. > http://blog.sidu.in > > Ramdas S wrote: > > I second the afternoon timing. 4 Pm to 6.30 Pm is fine. I am making an > > announcement shortly on Django-User list. > > > > Ramdas > > > > On Jan 14, 2008 12:02 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < > > abpillai at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > It has been a long time since a BangPypers meeting, so I plan to > > attend > > this. Can we have it at an agreeable time in the afternoon to late > > evening, > > say between 3.00 and 7.00 pm ? > > > > Personally, I prefer a timing from 4.00 - 6.30 pm. > > > > Thanks > > > > --Anand > > > > On Jan 14, 2008 12:02 PM, Darkseid > > wrote: > > > Ok, TW is confirmed for Saturday, 26th Jan 2008. What time, > though? > > > > > > Sidu > > > http://blog.sidu.in > > > > > > Ramdas S wrote: > > > > 26th looks to be a good date. > > > > > > > > I guess we will never be able to get a date that is agreeable to > > > > everyone. So let's freeze 26th. I am sorry to anyone who finds > it > > > > difficult on that date. > > > > > > > > If Thoughtworks is available, we can look at Thoughtworks or > > else some > > > > other place. > > > > > > > > sid, can you advise availability > > > > > > > > Ramdas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Two's an SMS. Three's a Mob. Get your free group SMS from Activ > > Mobs! > > > SMS "register your_nickname" to +91 98446 22848 to start Mobbing. > > > http://blog.inactiv.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > BangPypers mailing list > > > BangPypers at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -Anand > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > -- > Two's an SMS. Three's a Mob. Get your free group SMS from Activ Mobs! > SMS "register your_nickname" to +91 98446 22848 to start Mobbing. > http://blog.inactiv.com > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080116/40c7e557/attachment.htm From =?UTF-8?Q?Pradeep_Kishore_Gowda_=E0=B2=AA=E0=B3=8D=E0=B2=B0?= Wed Jan 16 16:28:23 2008 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Pradeep_Kishore_Gowda_=E0=B2=AA=E0=B3=8D=E0=B2=B0?= (=?UTF-8?Q?Pradeep_Kishore_Gowda_=E0=B2=AA=E0=B3=8D=E0=B2=B0?=) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:58:23 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00801160431h34b29ddbs6bdede547a197d0@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <478252C8.6050507@gmail.com> <1c4dc2780801071926h1083953bt8d12962766394aa@mail.gmail.com> <21B839B4-0AA5-4577-90E3-6562A98D2D7C@btbytes.com> <9c15b6180801072111v66bb2db2g23e26d181ac5c91b@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801072335r34419693ge2c721e891851322@mail.gmail.com> <478B01E9.5010508@gmail.com> <8548c5f30801132232j3abcbcd5r5718079914036078@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801132320y132dcbd1q93b131d724576a1@mail.gmail.com> <478DFA1C.5020403@gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801160431h34b29ddbs6bdede547a197d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <07CFBA4E-E4EC-469A-81B1-ED4B67F03F19@btbytes.com> +1 On 16-Jan-08, at 6:01 PM, Ramdas S wrote: > Someone please second this arrangement and we are on..... > > Ramdas > > On Jan 16, 2008 6:05 PM, Darkseid wrote: > So I'm going to book a room in TW from 4:00pm to 7:00 pm for Saturday, > 26th Jan 2008. That's ok, right? > > ty, > Sidu. > http://blog.sidu.in > > Ramdas S wrote: > > I second the afternoon timing. 4 Pm to 6.30 Pm is fine. I am > making an > > announcement shortly on Django-User list. > > > > Ramdas > > > > On Jan 14, 2008 12:02 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < > > abpillai at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > It has been a long time since a BangPypers meeting, so I plan to > > attend > > this. Can we have it at an agreeable time in the afternoon to > late > > evening, > > say between 3.00 and 7.00 pm ? > > > > Personally, I prefer a timing from 4.00 - 6.30 pm. > > > > Thanks > > > > --Anand > > > > On Jan 14, 2008 12:02 PM, Darkseid > > wrote: > > > Ok, TW is confirmed for Saturday, 26th Jan 2008. What time, > though? > > > > > > Sidu > > > http://blog.sidu.in > > > > > > Ramdas S wrote: > > > > 26th looks to be a good date. > > > > > > > > I guess we will never be able to get a date that is > agreeable to > > > > everyone. So let's freeze 26th. I am sorry to anyone who > finds it > > > > difficult on that date. > > > > > > > > If Thoughtworks is available, we can look at Thoughtworks or > > else some > > > > other place. > > > > > > > > sid, can you advise availability > > > > > > > > Ramdas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Two's an SMS. Three's a Mob. Get your free group SMS from > Activ > > Mobs! > > > SMS "register your_nickname" to +91 98446 22848 to start > Mobbing. > > > http://blog.inactiv.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > BangPypers mailing list > > > BangPypers at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -Anand > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > -- > Two's an SMS. Three's a Mob. Get your free group SMS from Activ Mobs! > SMS "register your_nickname" to +91 98446 22848 to start Mobbing. > http://blog.inactiv.com > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080116/773e963c/attachment.htm From gurpreet.sachdeva at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 06:02:12 2008 From: gurpreet.sachdeva at gmail.com (Gurpreet Sachdeva) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:32:12 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] Build Engineer @ PacketVideo, Chandigarh (Python/Perl) Message-ID: http://www.packetvideo.com/careers/index.html#Chandigarh1 Someone matching the skill set can send me the resume. Thanks and Regards, Gurpreet Singh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080117/260f60ca/attachment-0001.htm From abpillai at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 06:38:03 2008 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 11:08:03 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] Build Engineer @ PacketVideo, Chandigarh (Python/Perl) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8548c5f30801162138i3150cd9n143e6acf6076f074@mail.gmail.com> Hi, It is the beginning of a new year and we expect more job postings like this to the group, so a gentle reminder on the policy for these postings. o It is OK to post job openings to the group, as long as it is related to Python programming. We do not welcome generic software job postings here. In other words, please do not make posts like "There is a job opening related to Linux, get in touch with me...". o Please try to provide a brief description on what the job(s) is about in not more than a small paragraph. If possible, provide a URL where the details on the opening can be read. o Multiple postings for positions in the same organization is not allowed. Try to provide a brief overview of all open positions in a single post. o The forum has strict spam filters and do not accept blanket job spam emails from consultancies or job agents. o If you are interested in an opening, please reply to the person who posted the opening and not to the group. This is something which frequently happens, it is irritating; so try to avoid sending your interest on an opening to the group. The post to which I have replied is a good example on making lean, to-the-point Python job posts in this group. It can be used as an example. Thanks for your help. --Anand (moderator) On Jan 17, 2008 10:32 AM, Gurpreet Sachdeva wrote: > http://www.packetvideo.com/careers/index.html#Chandigarh1 > > Someone matching the skill set can send me the resume. > > Thanks and Regards, > Gurpreet Singh > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > -- -Anand From pravi.a at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 02:41:41 2008 From: pravi.a at gmail.com (Praveen A) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:41:41 -0800 Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: [ssug-malappuram] Python book - some content at last! In-Reply-To: <3f2beab60801171738j47b15d4fp2536d970117579c@mail.gmail.com> References: <970258.91662.qm@web94602.mail.in2.yahoo.com> <3f2beab60801171738j47b15d4fp2536d970117579c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3f2beab60801171741g18820acep14b8ef7267241b3a@mail.gmail.com> Hey it would great to have some real world tests with real kids. Show the book to any kids you know and ask their feedback. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Pramode C.E. > Date: ???? ????? ?? ??:?? Subject: [ssug-malappuram] Python book - some content at last! To: ssug-malappuram at freelists.org Hello, Two sample chapters of the book are ready! Translation will start soon ... Comments, suggestions, criticism *urgently* required! Check out: http://gnuvision.com/books/pybook/ Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Go to http://in.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php Wiki: http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Malappuram -- ???????? ??????????????????? Join The DRM Elimination Crew Now! http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-DRM-Campaign -- ???????? ??????????????????? Join The DRM Elimination Crew Now! http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-DRM-Campaign -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080117/8c1abde5/attachment.htm From sethi.anubha at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 10:39:42 2008 From: sethi.anubha at gmail.com (anubha sethi) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:09:42 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] What are opportunities for python programmers Message-ID: Hi, I am working on my MCA project using python. Please tell me about any interesting opportunities for Python programmers in Banglore for freshers. Regards Anubha -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080118/3b68ee53/attachment.htm From ramdas at developeriq.com Fri Jan 18 11:57:28 2008 From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:27:28 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] What are opportunities for python programmers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6e38f9f00801180257q7a8c2765tea9d025d9007ae14@mail.gmail.com> There are plenty of opportunities. Though not many are visible in large ads released by big companies. But many startups are looking for Python pros. regds Ramdas On Jan 18, 2008 3:09 PM, anubha sethi wrote: > Hi, > > I am working on my MCA project using python. > Please tell me about any interesting opportunities for Python programmers > in Banglore for freshers. > > Regards > Anubha > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080118/c2506fdb/attachment.htm From abpillai at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 12:32:05 2008 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:02:05 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] What are opportunities for python programmers In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00801180257q7a8c2765tea9d025d9007ae14@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801180257q7a8c2765tea9d025d9007ae14@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8548c5f30801180332m4e78fbe6g959103a3dccc7882@mail.gmail.com> Though Python is not an "entrenched" language in the software industry as some of the biggies (Java, C# etc), it is a specialized skill and there is demand for it. As Ramdas said, many startups use Python since it helps in quick prototyping and is an excellent glue language. Of course it is a stand-alone application programming language also. There are Python opportunities in big companies - names like Dell, HP, Google come to mind immediately. Many companies use if for things other than software development - stuff like test automation, build automation etc. Personally I have worked in Python for HP and the startup SpikeSource in Bangalore. I have been out of the pure Python software job market for some time, but there must be new opportunities. Then there is the market for Python web frameworks and associated skills - CMS etc. A number of companies work here - ZeOmega, Mahiti etc. There are many freelancing and consulting opportunities also for the Python expert. --Anand On Jan 18, 2008 4:27 PM, Ramdas S wrote: > There are plenty of opportunities. Though not many are visible in large ads > released by big companies. But many startups are looking for Python pros. > > regds > > Ramdas > > > > On Jan 18, 2008 3:09 PM, anubha sethi < sethi.anubha at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I am working on my MCA project using python. > > Please tell me about any interesting opportunities for Python programmers > in Banglore for freshers. > > > > Regards > > Anubha > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > -- -Anand From dyutiman.chaudhuri at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 12:39:25 2008 From: dyutiman.chaudhuri at gmail.com (Dyutiman Chaudhuri) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:09:25 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] What are opportunities for python programmers In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30801180332m4e78fbe6g959103a3dccc7882@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801180257q7a8c2765tea9d025d9007ae14@mail.gmail.com> <8548c5f30801180332m4e78fbe6g959103a3dccc7882@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: But is there any way to find them? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080118/50972473/attachment.htm From bharath.keshav at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 13:48:54 2008 From: bharath.keshav at gmail.com (Bharath Keshav) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:18:54 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] What are opportunities for python programmers In-Reply-To: References: <6e38f9f00801180257q7a8c2765tea9d025d9007ae14@mail.gmail.com> <8548c5f30801180332m4e78fbe6g959103a3dccc7882@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hidden Reflex, a web start up company is also working Python and are looking for Python programmers. You can get more details about this company on the site: www.hiddenreflex.com . Thanks and regards, Bharath Keshav. On Jan 18, 2008 5:09 PM, Dyutiman Chaudhuri wrote: > But is there any way to find them? > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080122/1ab4565d/attachment.htm From abpillai at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 06:26:48 2008 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:56:48 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <07CFBA4E-E4EC-469A-81B1-ED4B67F03F19@btbytes.com> References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <21B839B4-0AA5-4577-90E3-6562A98D2D7C@btbytes.com> <9c15b6180801072111v66bb2db2g23e26d181ac5c91b@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801072335r34419693ge2c721e891851322@mail.gmail.com> <478B01E9.5010508@gmail.com> <8548c5f30801132232j3abcbcd5r5718079914036078@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801132320y132dcbd1q93b131d724576a1@mail.gmail.com> <478DFA1C.5020403@gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801160431h34b29ddbs6bdede547a197d0@mail.gmail.com> <07CFBA4E-E4EC-469A-81B1-ED4B67F03F19@btbytes.com> Message-ID: <8548c5f30801212126u5caf3e77i14625e351a86ae01@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, Did this happen ? The thread seems dead ! --Anand On Jan 16, 2008 8:58 PM, Pradeep Kishore Gowda ??????? ?????? ??? wrote: > +1 > > > > On 16-Jan-08, at 6:01 PM, Ramdas S wrote: > Someone please second this arrangement and we are on..... > > Ramdas > > On Jan 16, 2008 6:05 PM, Darkseid wrote: > > So I'm going to book a room in TW from 4:00pm to 7:00 pm for Saturday, > > 26th Jan 2008. That's ok, right? > > > > ty, > > > > Sidu. > > http://blog.sidu.in > > > > Ramdas S wrote: > > > > > I second the afternoon timing. 4 Pm to 6.30 Pm is fine. I am making an > > > announcement shortly on Django-User list. > > > > > > Ramdas > > > > > > On Jan 14, 2008 12:02 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < > > > > > abpillai at gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > > It has been a long time since a BangPypers meeting, so I plan to > > > attend > > > this. Can we have it at an agreeable time in the afternoon to late > > > evening, > > > say between 3.00 and 7.00 pm ? > > > > > > Personally, I prefer a timing from 4.00 - 6.30 pm. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > --Anand > > > > > > On Jan 14, 2008 12:02 PM, Darkseid > > > > > wrote: > > > > Ok, TW is confirmed for Saturday, 26th Jan 2008. What time, > though? > > > > > > > > Sidu > > > > http://blog.sidu.in > > > > > > > > Ramdas S wrote: > > > > > 26th looks to be a good date. > > > > > > > > > > I guess we will never be able to get a date that is agreeable to > > > > > everyone. So let's freeze 26th. I am sorry to anyone who finds > it > > > > > difficult on that date. > > > > > > > > > > If Thoughtworks is available, we can look at Thoughtworks or > > > else some > > > > > other place. > > > > > > > > > > sid, can you advise availability > > > > > > > > > > Ramdas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Two's an SMS. Three's a Mob. Get your free group SMS from Activ > > > Mobs! > > > > SMS "register your_nickname" to +91 98446 22848 to start Mobbing. > > > > http://blog.inactiv.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > BangPypers mailing list > > > > BangPypers at python.org > > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -Anand > > > _______________________________________________ > > > BangPypers mailing list > > > BangPypers at python.org > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > BangPypers mailing list > > > BangPypers at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > > -- > > Two's an SMS. Three's a Mob. Get your free group SMS from Activ Mobs! > > SMS "register your_nickname" to +91 98446 22848 to start Mobbing. > > http://blog.inactiv.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > -- -Anand From anandology at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 06:32:55 2008 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:02:55 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30801212126u5caf3e77i14625e351a86ae01@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <9c15b6180801072111v66bb2db2g23e26d181ac5c91b@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801072335r34419693ge2c721e891851322@mail.gmail.com> <478B01E9.5010508@gmail.com> <8548c5f30801132232j3abcbcd5r5718079914036078@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801132320y132dcbd1q93b131d724576a1@mail.gmail.com> <478DFA1C.5020403@gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801160431h34b29ddbs6bdede547a197d0@mail.gmail.com> <07CFBA4E-E4EC-469A-81B1-ED4B67F03F19@btbytes.com> <8548c5f30801212126u5caf3e77i14625e351a86ae01@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <41139fcb0801212132q31b3a42anf3e0d5638ca60945@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 22, 2008 10:56 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > Hi all, > > Did this happen ? The thread seems dead ! I think, plan was to meet on 26th. Anand From ramdas at developeriq.com Tue Jan 22 06:39:21 2008 From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:09:21 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0801212132q31b3a42anf3e0d5638ca60945@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801072335r34419693ge2c721e891851322@mail.gmail.com> <478B01E9.5010508@gmail.com> <8548c5f30801132232j3abcbcd5r5718079914036078@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801132320y132dcbd1q93b131d724576a1@mail.gmail.com> <478DFA1C.5020403@gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801160431h34b29ddbs6bdede547a197d0@mail.gmail.com> <07CFBA4E-E4EC-469A-81B1-ED4B67F03F19@btbytes.com> <8548c5f30801212126u5caf3e77i14625e351a86ae01@mail.gmail.com> <41139fcb0801212132q31b3a42anf3e0d5638ca60945@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e38f9f00801212139m61a44302j572424efc45c8700@mail.gmail.com> The meeting is on Sat 26th 4-7 Pm Thoughtworks I had announced it in Django-users too Ramdas On Jan 22, 2008 11:02 AM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > On Jan 22, 2008 10:56 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai > wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Did this happen ? 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The thread seems dead ! > > I think, plan was to meet on 26th. The plan is still on. Since the date,time and location are confirmed, lets look at the agenda now. Any specific topics that participants would like to see covered? Start with any questions you might have about django, learning, usage, deployment.. -Pradeep -- Home - http://btbytes.com Heart - http://sampada.net Yummy! - http://konkanirecipes.com From lorddaemon at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 06:43:22 2008 From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Darkseid) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:13:22 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0801212132q31b3a42anf3e0d5638ca60945@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <9c15b6180801072111v66bb2db2g23e26d181ac5c91b@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801072335r34419693ge2c721e891851322@mail.gmail.com> <478B01E9.5010508@gmail.com> <8548c5f30801132232j3abcbcd5r5718079914036078@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801132320y132dcbd1q93b131d724576a1@mail.gmail.com> <478DFA1C.5020403@gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801160431h34b29ddbs6bdede547a197d0@mail.gmail.com> <07CFBA4E-E4EC-469A-81B1-ED4B67F03F19@btbytes.com> <8548c5f30801212126u5caf3e77i14625e351a86ae01@mail.gmail.com> <41139fcb0801212132q31b3a42anf3e0d5638ca60945@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4795827A.5030802@gmail.com> I've booked a slot from 4pm to 6pm at TW on Saturday. -Sidu Anand Chitipothu wrote: > On Jan 22, 2008 10:56 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Did this happen ? The thread seems dead ! >> > > I think, plan was to meet on 26th. > > Anand > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > -- Two's an SMS. Three's a Mob. Get your free group SMS from Activ Mobs! SMS "register your_nickname" to +91 98446 22848 to start Mobbing. http://blog.inactiv.com From ramdas at developeriq.com Tue Jan 22 06:48:19 2008 From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:18:19 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <4795827A.5030802@gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <478B01E9.5010508@gmail.com> <8548c5f30801132232j3abcbcd5r5718079914036078@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801132320y132dcbd1q93b131d724576a1@mail.gmail.com> <478DFA1C.5020403@gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801160431h34b29ddbs6bdede547a197d0@mail.gmail.com> <07CFBA4E-E4EC-469A-81B1-ED4B67F03F19@btbytes.com> <8548c5f30801212126u5caf3e77i14625e351a86ae01@mail.gmail.com> <41139fcb0801212132q31b3a42anf3e0d5638ca60945@mail.gmail.com> <4795827A.5030802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e38f9f00801212148q511342fetda0f13f5b15f0ea6@mail.gmail.com> Yes, I am interested in knowing more about work happening in Bangalore in Django. Someone wants to do an advanced django stuff and can do it is welcome. Something in lines of Django plus Ajax( jquery) will interest me. Just my wish list. Please add yours RS On Jan 22, 2008 11:13 AM, Darkseid wrote: > I've booked a slot from 4pm to 6pm at TW on Saturday. > > -Sidu > > Anand Chitipothu wrote: > > On Jan 22, 2008 10:56 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai > wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Did this happen ? The thread seems dead ! > >> > > > > I think, plan was to meet on 26th. > > > > Anand > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > -- > Two's an SMS. Three's a Mob. Get your free group SMS from Activ Mobs! > SMS "register your_nickname" to +91 98446 22848 to start Mobbing. > http://blog.inactiv.com > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll try doing a Django+AJAX frameworks presentation. I will share my experiences of doing Django+AJAX(YUI/Jquery). -Pradeep On 1/22/08, Ramdas S wrote: > Yes, > > I am interested in knowing more about work happening in Bangalore in > Django. > > Someone wants to do an advanced django stuff and can do it is welcome. > Something in lines of Django plus Ajax( jquery) will interest me. > > Just my wish list. Please add yours > > RS > > > On Jan 22, 2008 11:13 AM, Darkseid wrote: > > I've booked a slot from 4pm to 6pm at TW on Saturday. > > > > -Sidu > > > > > > > > > > Anand Chitipothu wrote: > > > On Jan 22, 2008 10:56 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < > abpillai at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Hi all, > > >> > > >> Did this happen ? The thread seems dead ! > > >> > > > > > > I think, plan was to meet on 26th. > > > > > > Anand > > > _______________________________________________ > > > BangPypers mailing list > > > BangPypers at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Two's an SMS. Three's a Mob. Get your free group SMS from Activ Mobs! > > SMS "register your_nickname" to +91 98446 22848 to start Mobbing. > > http://blog.inactiv.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > -- Home - http://btbytes.com Heart - http://sampada.net Yummy! - http://konkanirecipes.com From abpillai at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 09:16:44 2008 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 13:46:44 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <4795827A.5030802@gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <478B01E9.5010508@gmail.com> <8548c5f30801132232j3abcbcd5r5718079914036078@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801132320y132dcbd1q93b131d724576a1@mail.gmail.com> <478DFA1C.5020403@gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801160431h34b29ddbs6bdede547a197d0@mail.gmail.com> <07CFBA4E-E4EC-469A-81B1-ED4B67F03F19@btbytes.com> <8548c5f30801212126u5caf3e77i14625e351a86ae01@mail.gmail.com> <41139fcb0801212132q31b3a42anf3e0d5638ca60945@mail.gmail.com> <4795827A.5030802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8548c5f30801220016s5099bf0erc7ee36f3d0f7377d@mail.gmail.com> Ok. Sorry for jumping the gun! I was somehow under the impression that this was scheduled the past Saturday. --Anand On Jan 22, 2008 11:13 AM, Darkseid wrote: > I've booked a slot from 4pm to 6pm at TW on Saturday. > > -Sidu > > > Anand Chitipothu wrote: > > On Jan 22, 2008 10:56 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Did this happen ? The thread seems dead ! > >> > > > > I think, plan was to meet on 26th. > > > > Anand > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > -- > Two's an SMS. Three's a Mob. Get your free group SMS from Activ Mobs! > SMS "register your_nickname" to +91 98446 22848 to start Mobbing. > http://blog.inactiv.com > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- -Anand From chirayu at chirayu.org Tue Jan 22 22:16:22 2008 From: chirayu at chirayu.org (Chirayu Patel) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 02:46:22 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <4795827A.5030802@gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <9c15b6180801072111v66bb2db2g23e26d181ac5c91b@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801072335r34419693ge2c721e891851322@mail.gmail.com> <478B01E9.5010508@gmail.com> <8548c5f30801132232j3abcbcd5r5718079914036078@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801132320y132dcbd1q93b131d724576a1@mail.gmail.com> <478DFA1C.5020403@gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801160431h34b29ddbs6bdede547a197d0@mail.gmail.com> <07CFBA4E-E4EC-469A-81B1-ED4B67F03F19@btbytes.com> <8548c5f30801212126u5caf3e77i14625e351a86ae01@mail.gmail.com> <41139fcb0801212132q31b3a42anf3e0d5638ca60945@mail.gmail.com> <4795827A.5030802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47965D26.4090101@chirayu.org> I want to attend the meet. Where is the TW office located? :-) regards, CP Darkseid wrote: > I've booked a slot from 4pm to 6pm at TW on Saturday. > > -Sidu > > Anand Chitipothu wrote: > >> On Jan 22, 2008 10:56 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Did this happen ? The thread seems dead ! >>> >>> >> I think, plan was to meet on 26th. >> >> Anand >> _______________________________________________ >> BangPypers mailing list >> BangPypers at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> >> >> > > From gnuyoga at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 04:29:11 2008 From: gnuyoga at gmail.com (gnuyoga) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:59:11 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <47965D26.4090101@chirayu.org> References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <9c15b6180801072111v66bb2db2g23e26d181ac5c91b@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801072335r34419693ge2c721e891851322@mail.gmail.com> <478B01E9.5010508@gmail.com> <8548c5f30801132232j3abcbcd5r5718079914036078@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801132320y132dcbd1q93b131d724576a1@mail.gmail.com> <478DFA1C.5020403@gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801160431h34b29ddbs6bdede547a197d0@mail.gmail.com> <07CFBA4E-E4EC-469A-81B1-ED4B67F03F19@btbytes.com> <8548c5f30801212126u5caf3e77i14625e351a86ae01@mail.gmail.com> <41139fcb0801212132q31b3a42anf3e0d5638ca60945@mail.gmail.com> <4795827A.5030802@gmail.com> <47965D26.4090101@chirayu.org> Message-ID: <4796B487.2060508@gmail.com> I if remember TW (visited 2 years back) ... its near domlur bridge ( airport road) ... inside diamond district ;-) - sree Chirayu Patel wrote: > I want to attend the meet. Where is the TW office located? :-) > > regards, > CP > > > Darkseid wrote: > >> I've booked a slot from 4pm to 6pm at TW on Saturday. >> >> -Sidu >> >> Anand Chitipothu wrote: >> >> >>> On Jan 22, 2008 10:56 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Did this happen ? The thread seems dead ! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> I think, plan was to meet on 26th. >>> >>> Anand >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BangPypers mailing list >>> BangPypers at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > -- http://picasaweb.google.com/gnuyoga Each soul is potentially divine. The goal is to manifest the divine by controlling nature, internal or external. Do this by work or worship or psychic control or philosophy by one or more, or all of these and be free. From ketanpadegaonkar at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 05:14:28 2008 From: ketanpadegaonkar at gmail.com (Ketan Padegaonkar) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:44:28 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <47965D26.4090101@chirayu.org> References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <9c15b6180801072111v66bb2db2g23e26d181ac5c91b@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801072335r34419693ge2c721e891851322@mail.gmail.com> <478B01E9.5010508@gmail.com> <8548c5f30801132232j3abcbcd5r5718079914036078@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801132320y132dcbd1q93b131d724576a1@mail.gmail.com> <478DFA1C.5020403@gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801160431h34b29ddbs6bdede547a197d0@mail.gmail.com> <07CFBA4E-E4EC-469A-81B1-ED4B67F03F19@btbytes.com> <8548c5f30801212126u5caf3e77i14625e351a86ae01@mail.gmail.com> <41139fcb0801212132q31b3a42anf3e0d5638ca60945@mail.gmail.com> <4795827A.5030802@gmail.com> <47965D26.4090101@chirayu.org> Message-ID: <9B13F88B-C427-4998-BCA8-F3AA0F5342C5@gmail.com> On 23-Jan-08, at 2:46 AM, Chirayu Patel wrote: > I want to attend the meet. Where is the TW office located? :-) ThoughtWorks Technologies, 2nd Floor, Tower C, Diamond District, Airport Road. > regards, > CP -- Ketan Padegaonkar I blog... therefore I am... http://ketan.padegaonkar.name http://swtbot.org/ - a functional testing tool for SWT/Eclipse From lorddaemon at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 05:16:17 2008 From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Darkseid) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 09:46:17 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] directions to TW Message-ID: <4796BF91.5090806@gmail.com> http://blog.sidu.in/2006/11/thoughtworks-is-hosting-barcamp.html Old, but still accurate. Only thing missing is the airport road flyover. Best, Sidu. -- Two's an SMS. Three's a Mob. Get your free group SMS from Activ Mobs! SMS "register your_nickname" to +91 98446 22848 to start Mobbing. http://blog.inactiv.com From vsapre80 at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 08:18:51 2008 From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:48:51 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <9B13F88B-C427-4998-BCA8-F3AA0F5342C5@gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801132320y132dcbd1q93b131d724576a1@mail.gmail.com> <478DFA1C.5020403@gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801160431h34b29ddbs6bdede547a197d0@mail.gmail.com> <07CFBA4E-E4EC-469A-81B1-ED4B67F03F19@btbytes.com> <8548c5f30801212126u5caf3e77i14625e351a86ae01@mail.gmail.com> <41139fcb0801212132q31b3a42anf3e0d5638ca60945@mail.gmail.com> <4795827A.5030802@gmail.com> <47965D26.4090101@chirayu.org> <9B13F88B-C427-4998-BCA8-F3AA0F5342C5@gmail.com> Message-ID: If somebody could share experiences of using Django on Windows that would be great. best regards, Vishal On Jan 23, 2008 9:44 AM, Ketan Padegaonkar wrote: > > On 23-Jan-08, at 2:46 AM, Chirayu Patel wrote: > > > I want to attend the meet. Where is the TW office located? :-) > > ThoughtWorks Technologies, 2nd Floor, Tower C, Diamond District, > Airport Road. > > > regards, > > CP > > > > -- > Ketan Padegaonkar > I blog... therefore I am... http://ketan.padegaonkar.name > http://swtbot.org/ - a functional testing tool for SWT/Eclipse > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else. Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it. Visit: http://members.soundclick.com/mukulsapre http://www.soundclick.com/gurusgrace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080123/9468282f/attachment.htm From allagappan at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 08:21:08 2008 From: allagappan at gmail.com (Allagappan M) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:51:08 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <478DFA1C.5020403@gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801160431h34b29ddbs6bdede547a197d0@mail.gmail.com> <07CFBA4E-E4EC-469A-81B1-ED4B67F03F19@btbytes.com> <8548c5f30801212126u5caf3e77i14625e351a86ae01@mail.gmail.com> <41139fcb0801212132q31b3a42anf3e0d5638ca60945@mail.gmail.com> <4795827A.5030802@gmail.com> <47965D26.4090101@chirayu.org> <9B13F88B-C427-4998-BCA8-F3AA0F5342C5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9c15b6180801222321m380e6a1cy6310fd5bf63b7515@mail.gmail.com> What are the topics? On Jan 23, 2008 12:48 PM, Vishal wrote: > If somebody could share experiences of using Django on Windows that would be > great. > > best regards, > Vishal From baiju at muthukadan.net Wed Jan 23 09:10:03 2008 From: baiju at muthukadan.net (baiju at muthukadan.net) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:40:03 +0530 (IST) Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <9c15b6180801222321m380e6a1cy6310fd5bf63b7515@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <478DFA1C.5020403@gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801160431h34b29ddbs6bdede547a197d0@mail.gmail.com> <07CFBA4E-E4EC-469A-81B1-ED4B67F03F19@btbytes.com> <8548c5f30801212126u5caf3e77i14625e351a86ae01@mail.gmail.com> <41139fcb0801212132q31b3a42anf3e0d5638ca60945@mail.gmail.com> <4795827A.5030802@gmail.com> <47965D26.4090101@chirayu.org> <9B13F88B-C427-4998-BCA8-F3AA0F5342C5@gmail.com> <9c15b6180801222321m380e6a1cy6310fd5bf63b7515@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <52613.200.65.127.161.1201075803.squirrel@muthukadan.net> > What are the topics? I have created a page under our wiki page here for writing details about the meeting: http://wiki.python.org/moin/BangPypers http://wiki.python.org/moin/BangPypers/Meeting26Jan2008 Please add agenda there as we did for the last meeting at TW. Regards, Baiju M From maxin_john at yahoo.co.uk Wed Jan 23 14:03:30 2008 From: maxin_john at yahoo.co.uk (Maxin B John) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:03:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [BangPypers] You <-> Eliza Google Talk program: Fun with Python, AI and google talk Message-ID: <698231.83741.qm@web26614.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hello Friends, Do you think it is cool if you are able to handover the overhead of chatting with friends to an Artificial intelligence program called Eliza .. For those who don't know Eliza, it is a computer program by Joseph Weizenbaum which simulates a therapist. Now let's do that using Python. To use the Gchat which uses XMPP protocol, we need to install a python module called xmpppy . It is available at http://xmpppy.sourceforge.net/. The standard 'python setup.py install ' will perform the installation of module for us . This program has two files 1) eliza.py 2) eliza_googletalk.py Now the eliza.py program which sends the chat string send by our friends to the Eliza program and returns the reply of Eliza AI program. #################################################################### # This program will talk with eliza, the psychiatrist AI program # # By Maxin B. John # #################################################################### import httplib import urllib #Function that POSTS the string to eliza website and formats the reply # my_dialog is the string that we POST to the www-ai.ijs.si website # obtains the reply from eliza scripts and prints it on the screen def eliza(my_dialog): params = urllib.urlencode({'Entry1': my_dialog}) headers = {"Content-type": "application/x-www-form-urlencoded","Accept": "text/plain"} conn = httplib.HTTPConnection("www-ai.ijs.si") conn.request("POST", "/eliza-cgi-bin/eliza_script", params, headers) response = conn.getresponse() data = response.read() reply_from_eliza= str(data.split('')[2]).split('\n')[1] return "%s\r\n" % (reply_from_eliza,) conn.close() # invoking the eliza function to test it's functionality in pythonic way if __name__== '__main__': str =eliza('I am maxin') print str ############################################################ Now the main part of the program ... eliza_googletalk.py ################################################################################## # You <-> Eliza Google chat program # # What: # # # # This program will login as you in the google chat and will automagically reply # # to those who are 'thinking' that they are chatting with you using the eliza # # AI program. # # How: # # # # The google chat handling/reply part is done using the xmpppy python module # # Chats from your friends will be passed to the eliza program and the resulting # # output will be returned back to your friends as though you have typed it. # # Who: # # # # Maxin B. John This code is small and self explanatory # # So I haven't added a single comment in this program. # ################################################################################## import xmpp import time from eliza import * def messageCB(sess,mess): nick=mess.getFrom().getResource() text=mess.getBody() reply = eliza(text) sess.send(xmpp.Message(mess.getFrom(),reply)) def LoopyFn(conn): try: conn.Process(1) except KeyboardInterrupt: return 0 return 1 def main_process(): jid = xmpp.protocol.JID('maxinbjohn at gmail.com') cl = xmpp.Client('gmail.com') cl.connect(('talk.google.com',5223)) cl.RegisterHandler('message',messageCB) cl.auth(jid.getNode(),'my_secret_password') cl.sendInitPresence() while LoopyFn(cl): pass if __name__ == '__main__': main_process() ################################################################### Run this program as python eliza_googletalk.py Now let your friends to be confused :) --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! - a smarter inbox. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080123/6c256a2b/attachment.htm From pintooo15 at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 15:03:50 2008 From: pintooo15 at gmail.com (Diabolic Preacher) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:33:50 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] You <-> Eliza Google Talk program: Fun with Python, AI and google talk In-Reply-To: <698231.83741.qm@web26614.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <698231.83741.qm@web26614.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Jan 23, 2008 6:33 PM, Maxin B John wrote: > Hello Friends, > > Do you think it is cool if you are able to handover the overhead of chatting > with friends to an Artificial intelligence program called Eliza .. For those > who don't know Eliza, it is a computer program by Joseph Weizenbaum which > simulates a therapist. definitely a cool idea unless you have added bots like twitter to your friend list. if you track quite a few keywords and twitterers, your twitter page will be full of status updates that are eliza's responses. so a bit of caution needed. fun would be to have 2 eliza's on either end talkin to each other...to keep the connection alive. :) -- Diabolic Preacher As Is Blog: http://pintooo15.livejournal.com/ Bookmarks: http://simpy.com/user/dpreacher -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS/IT d+(-) s+:+ a22 C++@ UL@ P L+(++) E- W++ !N o? K>++ w(-) !O M-(--) !V PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP t- 5? X>+ R- tv@ b-(+) DI+ D+ G++ e++ h-- !r y- ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From ramdas at developeriq.com Thu Jan 24 05:29:36 2008 From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:59:36 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <478DFA1C.5020403@gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801160431h34b29ddbs6bdede547a197d0@mail.gmail.com> <07CFBA4E-E4EC-469A-81B1-ED4B67F03F19@btbytes.com> <8548c5f30801212126u5caf3e77i14625e351a86ae01@mail.gmail.com> <41139fcb0801212132q31b3a42anf3e0d5638ca60945@mail.gmail.com> <4795827A.5030802@gmail.com> <47965D26.4090101@chirayu.org> <9B13F88B-C427-4998-BCA8-F3AA0F5342C5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e38f9f00801232029k26cd2503y8c8e6bf8cd0670cf@mail.gmail.com> Django works very well on Windows. Sidhi's silverstripe software is actually shipping a commercial product that is written in django and is available as a Windows binary. I am not aware of many othe projects, but we are building an app, that is finally going to run on Windows 2003, apache + mod-python and MySQL. RS On Jan 23, 2008 12:48 PM, Vishal wrote: > If somebody could share experiences of using Django on Windows that would > be great. > > best regards, > Vishal > > > On Jan 23, 2008 9:44 AM, Ketan Padegaonkar < ketanpadegaonkar at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > On 23-Jan-08, at 2:46 AM, Chirayu Patel wrote: > > > > > I want to attend the meet. Where is the TW office located? :-) > > > > ThoughtWorks Technologies, 2nd Floor, Tower C, Diamond District, > > Airport Road. > > > > > regards, > > > CP > > > > > > > > -- > > Ketan Padegaonkar > > I blog... therefore I am... http://ketan.padegaonkar.name > > http://swtbot.org/ - a functional testing tool for SWT/Eclipse > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > -- > A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else. > Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it. > > Visit: > http://members.soundclick.com/mukulsapre > http://www.soundclick.com/gurusgrace > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080124/9ed09def/attachment.htm From gnuyoga at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 06:29:32 2008 From: gnuyoga at gmail.com (gnuyoga) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:59:32 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00801232029k26cd2503y8c8e6bf8cd0670cf@mail.gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <478DFA1C.5020403@gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801160431h34b29ddbs6bdede547a197d0@mail.gmail.com> <07CFBA4E-E4EC-469A-81B1-ED4B67F03F19@btbytes.com> <8548c5f30801212126u5caf3e77i14625e351a86ae01@mail.gmail.com> <41139fcb0801212132q31b3a42anf3e0d5638ca60945@mail.gmail.com> <4795827A.5030802@gmail.com> <47965D26.4090101@chirayu.org> <9B13F88B-C427-4998-BCA8-F3AA0F5342C5@gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801232029k26cd2503y8c8e6bf8cd0670cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4798223C.10207@gmail.com> RS - Richard Stallman ??? ;-) > Django works very well on Windows. > > > RS -- http://picasaweb.google.com/gnuyoga Each soul is potentially divine. The goal is to manifest the divine by controlling nature, internal or external. Do this by work or worship or psychic control or philosophy by one or more, or all of these and be free. From rmathews at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 07:58:43 2008 From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 12:28:43 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone interested in a specific Django meet In-Reply-To: <4798223C.10207@gmail.com> References: <6e38f9f00801052259m321f9fafi1e0a2bdb1382b941@mail.gmail.com> <07CFBA4E-E4EC-469A-81B1-ED4B67F03F19@btbytes.com> <8548c5f30801212126u5caf3e77i14625e351a86ae01@mail.gmail.com> <41139fcb0801212132q31b3a42anf3e0d5638ca60945@mail.gmail.com> <4795827A.5030802@gmail.com> <47965D26.4090101@chirayu.org> <9B13F88B-C427-4998-BCA8-F3AA0F5342C5@gmail.com> <6e38f9f00801232029k26cd2503y8c8e6bf8cd0670cf@mail.gmail.com> <4798223C.10207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1c4dc2780801232258i3ccbe718pf2498324999910eb@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 24, 2008 10:59 AM, gnuyoga wrote: > RS - Richard Stallman ??? ;-) > That would be RMS, for Richard Mathew Stallman. :) RS would be Real Slimshady ... -- Roshan Mathews From agoldgod at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 11:18:43 2008 From: agoldgod at gmail.com (goldgod a) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:48:43 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [chennaipy 120] fossconf update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <105c9ccc0801230218n7e59085fi571311eed85c78f@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Shall we conduct a python sub conference in the Fossconf08. -- Thanks & Regards, goldgod From sujith.h at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 19:25:24 2008 From: sujith.h at gmail.com (Sujith H) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:55:24 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] You <-> Eliza Google Talk program: Fun with Python, AI and google talk In-Reply-To: <698231.83741.qm@web26614.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <698231.83741.qm@web26614.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4798D814.4040702@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Cool Maxin, I was talking to eliza for a long time and I didn't understood when you came online!!! :) Sujith Haridasan Maxin B John wrote: > Hello Friends, > > Do you think it is cool if you are able to handover the overhead of chatting with friends to an Artificial intelligence program called Eliza .. For those who don't know Eliza, it is a computer program by Joseph Weizenbaum which simulates a therapist. > > Now let's do that using Python. To use the Gchat which uses XMPP protocol, we need to install a python module called xmpppy . It is available at http://xmpppy.sourceforge.net/. The standard 'python setup.py install ' will perform the installation of module for us . > > This program has two files > 1) eliza.py > 2) eliza_googletalk.py > > > Now the eliza.py program which sends the chat string send by our friends to the Eliza program and returns the reply of Eliza AI program. > > #################################################################### > # This program will talk with eliza, the psychiatrist AI program # > # By Maxin B. John # > #################################################################### > > import httplib > import urllib > > #Function that POSTS the string to eliza website and formats the reply > # my_dialog is the string that we POST to the www-ai.ijs.si website > # obtains the reply from eliza scripts and prints it on the screen > > def eliza(my_dialog): > params = urllib.urlencode({'Entry1': my_dialog}) > headers = {"Content-type": "application/x-www-form-urlencoded","Accept": "text/plain"} > conn = httplib.HTTPConnection("www-ai.ijs.si") > conn.request("POST", "/eliza-cgi-bin/eliza_script", params, headers) > response = conn.getresponse() > data = response.read() > reply_from_eliza= str(data.split('')[2]).split('\n')[1] > return "%s\r\n" % (reply_from_eliza,) > conn.close() > > # invoking the eliza function to test it's functionality in pythonic way > if __name__== '__main__': > str =eliza('I am maxin') > print str > ############################################################ > > Now the main part of the program ... eliza_googletalk.py > > > ################################################################################## > # You <-> Eliza Google chat program # > # What: # > # # > # This program will login as you in the google chat and will automagically reply # > # to those who are 'thinking' that they are chatting with you using the eliza # > # AI program. # > # How: # > # # > # The google chat handling/reply part is done using the xmpppy python module # > # Chats from your friends will be passed to the eliza program and the resulting # > # output will be returned back to your friends as though you have typed it. # > # Who: # > # # > # Maxin B. John This code is small and self explanatory # > # So I haven't added a single comment in this program. # > ################################################################################## > > import xmpp > import time > from eliza import * > > def messageCB(sess,mess): > nick=mess.getFrom().getResource() > text=mess.getBody() > reply = eliza(text) > sess.send(xmpp.Message(mess.getFrom(),reply)) > > def LoopyFn(conn): > try: > conn.Process(1) > except KeyboardInterrupt: > return 0 > return 1 > > def main_process(): > jid = xmpp.protocol.JID('maxinbjohn at gmail.com') > cl = xmpp.Client('gmail.com') > cl.connect(('talk.google.com',5223)) > cl.RegisterHandler('message',messageCB) > cl.auth(jid.getNode(),'my_secret_password') > cl.sendInitPresence() > while LoopyFn(cl): > pass > if __name__ == '__main__': > main_process() > > ################################################################### > > Run this program as > > python eliza_googletalk.py > > Now let your friends to be confused :) > > > > --------------------------------- > Sent from Yahoo! - a smarter inbox. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHmNgTKS6CjcT4LG0RAmViAJ9I/y10rl0gS7illWdGdeOP9xfM3ACfSbl+ DKa6KQyYUs5Eq0UOM6Vyz74= =FU3g -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lorddaemon at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 10:25:37 2008 From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Darkseid) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:55:37 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Tomorrow's meeting Message-ID: <4799AB11.4000708@gmail.com> Guys, Due to some changes in my plans (consulting life, sigh...) I won't be able to make it for the meeting. However, Sriram Narayanan (aka Ram) will be there from ThoughtWorks' side to ensure that everything goes smoothly. I've copied Ram on this mail too. Thanks, Sidu. -- Two's an SMS. Three's a Mob. Get your free group SMS from Activ Mobs! SMS "register your_nickname" to +91 98446 22848 to start Mobbing. http://blog.inactiv.com From ramdas at developeriq.com Fri Jan 25 12:51:52 2008 From: ramdas at developeriq.com (Ramdas S) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:21:52 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Tomorrow's meeting In-Reply-To: <4799AB11.4000708@gmail.com> References: <4799AB11.4000708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6e38f9f00801250351j47c71aa9jcb3c3a62a9ab78ac@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Pradeep Kishore will be presenting a session on using Django and Ajax with Jquery and YUI. Apart from Pradeep is there anyone who is interested in sharing their gyaan? RS > > Due to some changes in my plans (consulting life, sigh...) I won't be > able to make it for the meeting. 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/attachments/20080125/dc203e9d/attachment.htm From =?UTF-8?Q?Pradeep_Kishore_Gowda_=E0=B2=AA=E0=B3=8D=E0=B2=B0?= Sat Jan 26 17:37:05 2008 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Pradeep_Kishore_Gowda_=E0=B2=AA=E0=B3=8D=E0=B2=B0?= (=?UTF-8?Q?Pradeep_Kishore_Gowda_=E0=B2=AA=E0=B3=8D=E0=B2=B0?=) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:07:05 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Tomorrow's meeting In-Reply-To: <4799AB11.4000708@gmail.com> References: <4799AB11.4000708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0A9FBF54-957E-4506-9E83-40F2AE89135F@btbytes.com> Hi, I have left my Kodak easyshare camera and my HP laptop's power chord in TW conference room (Paatshala), after today's Bangpyer's meeting. If any Thoughtworkers are reading this, can you please ask your security to secure the items, please. I'll go and collect them tomorrow morning. Pradeep 9844514846 On 25-Jan-08, at 2:55 PM, Darkseid wrote: > Guys, > > Due to some changes in my plans (consulting life, sigh...) I won't be > able to make it for the meeting. However, Sriram Narayanan (aka Ram) > will be there from ThoughtWorks' side to ensure that everything goes > smoothly. > > I've copied Ram on this mail too. > > Thanks, > Sidu. > > -- > Two's an SMS. Three's a Mob. Get your free group SMS from Activ Mobs! > SMS "register your_nickname" to +91 98446 22848 to start Mobbing. > http://blog.inactiv.com > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers From pradeep at btbytes.com Wed Jan 30 12:14:06 2008 From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Kishore Gowda) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:44:06 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Donita, the Django+jQuery app In-Reply-To: <3e3294b70801300311l74a88192w16a2454c8e7c377a@mail.gmail.com> References: <3e3294b70801300311l74a88192w16a2454c8e7c377a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3e3294b70801300314y5d87feaexac7370b7a7d92914@mail.gmail.com> Hi Pypers, I've uploaded the django+ajax app that I created during my presentation last week to http://code.google.com/p/donita/ Donita is an ajax enabled todo list app written using django, jquery and blueprintcss. I hope it will serve as a guide for your sojourn into django programming :) Cheers, pradeep -- Home - http://btbytes.com Heart - http://sampada.net Yummy! - http://konkanirecipes.com From umesh.sachdev at gmail.com Wed Jan 30 14:24:24 2008 From: umesh.sachdev at gmail.com (Umesh123) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:24:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python programmers required Message-ID: <15182128.post@talk.nabble.com> I am involved with a project in IIT-Madras's incubation centre, where we are looking for a group of vibrant people who can get involved in a project that requires knowledge of web technologies such as Python, RSS, Ajax, HTML etc with a bit of mix with mobile technologies. As of now, we are a small team of young professionals. This project will be spun-off as a start-up very soon and already there are a lot of big companies backing this up. Imagine working in an informal environment with a team thats led by innovation. If this is something that interests you, drop a line. Umesh Sachdev umesh.sachdev at gmail.com +91 9884611511 -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-JOB--Python-programmers-required-tp15182128p15182128.html Sent from the BangPypers - Bangalore Python Users Group mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From umesh.sachdev at gmail.com Wed Jan 30 14:29:48 2008 From: umesh.sachdev at gmail.com (Umesh123) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:29:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python programmers required Message-ID: <15182189.post@talk.nabble.com> I am involved with a project in IIT-Madras, where we are looking for a group of vibrant people who can get involved in a project that requires knowledge of web technologies such as Python, RSS, Ajax, HTML etc with a bit of mix with mobile technologies. As of now, we are a small team of young professionals. This project will be spun-off as a start-up very soon and already there are a lot of big companies backing this up. Imagine working in an informal environment with a team thats led by innovation. If this is something that interests you, drop a line. Umesh Sachdev umesh.sachdev at gmail.com -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-JOB--Python-programmers-required-tp15182189p15182189.html Sent from the BangPypers - Bangalore Python Users Group mailing list archive at Nabble.com.