From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Oct  1 02:17:10 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 05:47:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [commercial] nrc-foss certifications
Message-ID: <200910010547.10636.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

hi,

nrc-foss @ au-kbc is planning to introduce low cost entry level certifications 
in languages/tools like perl, php, python, ruby, mysql and postgresql - anyone 
interested in contributing to formulating/running such certifications, please 
contact me offlist. This is a commercial offer.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From navin.kabra at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 05:36:23 2009
From: navin.kabra at gmail.com (Navin Kabra)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:06:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python at Schools
In-Reply-To: <6c8d08a40909301347q5c769000pf8d42af6971d9bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <64160c70909261929t419abbfcs4b7b63548e4daee@mail.gmail.com> 
	<79a035420909292304m3ae1b8ceqa927b0d74ad455c5@mail.gmail.com> 
	<45ec909c0909292331i1f372a12y7e4effb172978adc@mail.gmail.com> 
	<7c73a13a0909300956k7301b3f1t76421151bce6f2c6@mail.gmail.com> 
	<5ead360a0909301019o4eeeb243o9367a6e4be699363@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4AC39981.3090009@gmail.com>
	<6c8d08a40909301347q5c769000pf8d42af6971d9bc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ce7f20c60909302036q36190eccta5b5542776275019@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:17 AM, shameek ghosh <shameek09 at gmail.com> wrote:

> college.So I
> retracked and instead started with teaching them effective ways of
> playing battleships using common search methods in algorithms
> etc....


Wow, this is a really cool insight, and an interesting way to motivate them.
I'd love to hear more such ideas on how kids of this age can be motivated to
take an interest in programming.
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From ssquery at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 08:41:23 2009
From: ssquery at gmail.com (sudhakar s)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:11:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] web services
Message-ID: <1528d2590909302341l374ef71aoc5fe621267e4be49@mail.gmail.com>

HI,   Can any one suggest me how to create a simple web service.
   Started working with webservices but fully confused with searches i made.

   any one have simple web service script which is currently working?
-- 
With Regards,
S Sudhakar.
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From lists.amitsaha at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 09:36:34 2009
From: lists.amitsaha at gmail.com (Amit Saha)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:06:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python at Schools
In-Reply-To: <5ead360a0909301019o4eeeb243o9367a6e4be699363@mail.gmail.com>
References: <64160c70909261929t419abbfcs4b7b63548e4daee@mail.gmail.com>	<79a035420909292304m3ae1b8ceqa927b0d74ad455c5@mail.gmail.com>	<45ec909c0909292331i1f372a12y7e4effb172978adc@mail.gmail.com>	<7c73a13a0909300956k7301b3f1t76421151bce6f2c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<5ead360a0909301019o4eeeb243o9367a6e4be699363@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC45C02.3020408@gmail.com>

Srijayanth Sridhar wrote:
> Not sure how many people here were taught Logo as their first language. I
> was, and most people regard it as a toy language because most teachers focus
> exclusively on the graphical aspects of the language. However, few know that
> Logo was inspired by Lisp and can handle fairly decent logical stuff too. I
> would really like to see Logo used more fully in this regard.

Hare are LOGO books which does serious programming talk:

The series: http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~bh/v1-toc2.html
and http://openbookproject.net/thinkcs/logo.php

-Amit

-- 
Journal: http://amitksaha.wordpress.com
?-blog: http://twitter.com/amitsaha
IRC: cornucopic on #scheme, #lisp, #math, #linux

From lists.amitsaha at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 09:29:46 2009
From: lists.amitsaha at gmail.com (Amit Saha)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 12:59:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] web services
In-Reply-To: <1528d2590909302341l374ef71aoc5fe621267e4be49@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1528d2590909302341l374ef71aoc5fe621267e4be49@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC45A6A.3040801@gmail.com>

<too many lists>

sudhakar s wrote:
> HI,   Can any one suggest me how to create a simple web service.

This should help: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=web+services+in+python
>    Started working with webservices but fully confused with searches i made.

How about the search results?


HTH,
-Amit
-- 
Journal: http://amitksaha.wordpress.com
?-blog: http://twitter.com/amitsaha
IRC: cornucopic on #scheme, #lisp, #math, #linux

From pythonmac at rebertia.com  Thu Oct  1 08:43:06 2009
From: pythonmac at rebertia.com (Chris Rebert)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:43:06 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] [Pythonmac-SIG] web services
In-Reply-To: <1528d2590909302341l374ef71aoc5fe621267e4be49@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1528d2590909302341l374ef71aoc5fe621267e4be49@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50697b2c0909302343o7dca3889rd19203ed2e68bbd6@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:41 PM, sudhakar s <ssquery at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> HI,
> ?? Can any one suggest me how to create a simple web service.
> ?? Started?working?with?webservices?but?fully?confused?with?searches?i?made.
>
> ???any?one?have?simple?web?service?script?which?is?currently?working?

How is this relevant to Python on the Mac OS X platform specifically?

Cheers,
Chris
--
http://blog.rebertia.com

From abpillai at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 09:45:27 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:15:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Post from non-members
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910010045l4083e47ye2c2971476f7a3e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

              Of late there has been a lot of activity in the group,
which is good :) But a side effect has been a sharp increase
in number of non-members trying to post to the list.

              I have been approving all these messages since they
are all relevant and not SPAM.

However if you find that there is a time-lag of a day or more
between your posting and messages appearing in the list, then
it is because you are a non-member and the post was waiting
for moderator approval.

If you find this happening, then take that time to sign up on
the mailing list as a member so that your future posts are not
held up. It is worth it, I assure you :)


Thanks

-- 
--Anand

PS: Non-members have been BCCed in this email.
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From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 08:58:44 2009
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:28:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] web services
In-Reply-To: <1528d2590909302341l374ef71aoc5fe621267e4be49@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1528d2590909302341l374ef71aoc5fe621267e4be49@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <91bea30d0909302358h2e6c67f1qc9684b097dd1b213@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:11 PM, sudhakar s <ssquery at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> HI,
> ?? Can any one suggest me how to create a simple web service.
> ?? Started?working?with?webservices?but?fully?confused?with?searches?i?made.
>
> ???any?one?have?simple?web?service?script?which?is?currently?working?

 There is no magic webservice script. What kind of webservice you want
SOAP or REST ? Please describe your requirements too.

regards
Vivek

-- 
The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!

From ssquery at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 10:09:06 2009
From: ssquery at gmail.com (sudhakar s)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:39:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] web services
In-Reply-To: <91bea30d0909302358h2e6c67f1qc9684b097dd1b213@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1528d2590909302341l374ef71aoc5fe621267e4be49@mail.gmail.com>
	<91bea30d0909302358h2e6c67f1qc9684b097dd1b213@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1528d2590910010109k1b3d0825j433e530c4757df6d@mail.gmail.com>

I was trying SOAP web services.How to construct .

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Vivek Khurana <hiddenharmony at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:11 PM, sudhakar s <ssquery at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > HI,
> >    Can any one suggest me how to create a simple web service.
> >
> Started working with webservices but fully confused with searches i made.
> >
> >    any one have simple web service script which is currently working?
>
>  There is no magic webservice script. What kind of webservice you want
> SOAP or REST ? Please describe your requirements too.
>
> regards
> Vivek
>
> --
> The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 10:28:30 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:58:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] web services
In-Reply-To: <1528d2590910010109k1b3d0825j433e530c4757df6d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1528d2590909302341l374ef71aoc5fe621267e4be49@mail.gmail.com>
	<91bea30d0909302358h2e6c67f1qc9684b097dd1b213@mail.gmail.com>
	<1528d2590910010109k1b3d0825j433e530c4757df6d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910010128q2aa7ca19rc7589a66c04edb53@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:39 PM, sudhakar s <ssquery at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was trying SOAP web services.How to construct .
>
>
>
>  Use SOAPpy. Here is the straight dope without any WSDL etc.

from SOAPPy import ThreadingSOAPServer

server = ThreadingSOAPServer(('0.0.0.0', 8888))
server.registerFunction(check)
server.registerFunction(dummy)
server.serve_forever()

Now your functions "check" and "dummy" are available to a SOAP client
at localhost:8888 port.

Please don't CC non-relevant lists in your posts. X-posting
is a virtue rarely, only if you know what you are doing.


>
>>
>> --
>> The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
>
> --
> With Regards,
> S Sudhakar.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ideamonk at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 14:36:19 2009
From: ideamonk at gmail.com (Abhishek Mishra)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 18:06:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Post from non-members
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910010045l4083e47ye2c2971476f7a3e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30910010045l4083e47ye2c2971476f7a3e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64160c70910010536n23a25bf9p36c5e32f4a59b08a@mail.gmail.com>

I beg sorry for being responsible for this. I actually sent Python at
Schools post to three mailing lists simultaneously, and in return it
happens that when one hits the reply button, the response is posted
back to all 3 mailing lists - InPyCon, Ilugb and bangpypers.
Please excuse me for not following some common mailing list etiquettes.
:(

regards,
Abhishek Mishra

On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> ????????????? Of late there has been a lot of activity in the group,
> which is good :) But a side effect has been a sharp increase
> in number of non-members trying to post to the list.
>
> ????????????? I have been approving all these messages since they
> are all relevant and not SPAM.
>
> However if you find that there is a time-lag of a day or more
> between your posting and messages appearing in the list, then
> it is because you are a non-member and the post was waiting
> for moderator approval.
>
> If you find this happening, then take that time to sign up on
> the mailing list as a member so that your future posts are not
> held up. It is worth it, I assure you :)
>
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> --Anand
>
> PS: Non-members have been BCCed in this email.
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>

From shivraj.ms at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 16:54:50 2009
From: shivraj.ms at gmail.com (Shivaraj M S)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 07:54:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] [ilugb] Python at Schools
In-Reply-To: <BLU117-DS2E289CD6A9F770CFA8D9A9BD40@phx.gbl>
References: <64160c70909261929t419abbfcs4b7b63548e4daee@mail.gmail.com>
	<12470af00909261956j119b32r2676f151cf1159b@mail.gmail.com>
	<25674985.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<BLU117-DS2E289CD6A9F770CFA8D9A9BD40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <25696915.post@talk.nabble.com>


>Secondly we are also working on one embedded platform
>using Python.

Should be innovative...

It reminded me of concurrent and sequential programming approaches of VHDL
for real time on FPGA written by Douglas L. Perry - one of the most well
written and interesting programming books. (or may be what I understood
better :-) ). 

I heard about MyHDL on Python but never got oppurtunity to use it. 

Apart from FPGA and Xilinix, talking about embedded processors, applications
and programming, would any high level programming language like python suit
since again they would look out for a more abstract level.
-- 
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Python-at-Schools-tp25630379p25696915.html
Sent from the BangPypers - Bangalore Python Users Group mailing list archive at Nabble.com.


From azhaguselvan at gmx.com  Thu Oct  1 17:42:04 2009
From: azhaguselvan at gmx.com (Azhaguselvan)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:12:04 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Post from non-members
In-Reply-To: <64160c70910010536n23a25bf9p36c5e32f4a59b08a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30910010045l4083e47ye2c2971476f7a3e@mail.gmail.com>
	<64160c70910010536n23a25bf9p36c5e32f4a59b08a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1254411724.3235.5.camel@debian-desktop>

On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 18:06 +0530, Abhishek Mishra wrote:
> I beg sorry for being responsible for this. I actually sent Python at
> Schools post to three mailing lists simultaneously, and in return it
> happens that when one hits the reply button, the response is posted
> back to all 3 mailing lists - InPyCon, Ilugb and bangpypers.
> Please excuse me for not following some common mailing list etiquettes.
> :(
> 
> regards,
> Abhishek Mishra
> 
Again not following the etiquette :( Please don't top-post.


Azhaguselvan,SP


From baiju at muthukadan.net  Sun Oct  4 04:00:34 2009
From: baiju at muthukadan.net (Baiju Muthukadan)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 07:30:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] SciPy India 2009 - SciPy.in
Message-ID: <a5031abc0910031900l23bc152bj9cf77ca6af91a94e@mail.gmail.com>

I found this today at python.org :

http://scipy.in/

--
Baiju M

From abpillai at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 07:23:00 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:53:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] SciPy India 2009 - SciPy.in
In-Reply-To: <a5031abc0910031900l23bc152bj9cf77ca6af91a94e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a5031abc0910031900l23bc152bj9cf77ca6af91a94e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910032223q66609f72n2239e2b203d36219@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Baiju Muthukadan <baiju at muthukadan.net>wrote:

> I found this today at python.org :
>
> http://scipy.in/
>

 Interesting... I would surmise that this would be in practice more of
 a "sci" than "py" conference, since the # of people who are interested
 specifically in Python for science would be quite a small # when
 compared to the general Python interest group size.

 6 days... isn't it rather too long for a specific interest
 conference.


>
> --
> Baiju M
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Sun Oct  4 07:37:18 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:07:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] SciPy India 2009 - SciPy.in
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910032223q66609f72n2239e2b203d36219@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a5031abc0910031900l23bc152bj9cf77ca6af91a94e@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910032223q66609f72n2239e2b203d36219@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910041107.19174.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Sunday 04 Oct 2009 10:53:00 am Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Baiju Muthukadan 
<baiju at muthukadan.net>wrote:
> > I found this today at python.org :
> >
> > http://scipy.in/
>
>  Interesting... I would surmise that this would be in practice more of
>  a "sci" than "py" conference, since the # of people who are interested
>  specifically in Python for science would be quite a small # when
>  compared to the general Python interest group size.
>
>  6 days... isn't it rather too long for a specific interest
>  conference.

weird: http://fossee.in/whydrupal
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From abpillai at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 07:52:28 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:22:28 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] SciPy India 2009 - SciPy.in
In-Reply-To: <200910041107.19174.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <a5031abc0910031900l23bc152bj9cf77ca6af91a94e@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910032223q66609f72n2239e2b203d36219@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910041107.19174.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910032252p369ceca2q516b2744917cd1f0@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Sunday 04 Oct 2009 10:53:00 am Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Baiju Muthukadan
> <baiju at muthukadan.net>wrote:
> > > I found this today at python.org :
> > >
> > > http://scipy.in/
> >
> >  Interesting... I would surmise that this would be in practice more of
> >  a "sci" than "py" conference, since the # of people who are interested
> >  specifically in Python for science would be quite a small # when
> >  compared to the general Python interest group size.
> >
> >  6 days... isn't it rather too long for a specific interest
> >  conference.
>
> weird: http://fossee.in/whydrupal
>

  Hadn't noticed it was written in Drupal. Well, they might have an
  excuse since they are focusing on "Scipy" rather than just Py!


> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Project Officer
> NRC-FOSS
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
> _______________________________________________
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Sun Oct  4 08:03:47 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 11:33:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] SciPy India 2009 - SciPy.in
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910032252p369ceca2q516b2744917cd1f0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a5031abc0910031900l23bc152bj9cf77ca6af91a94e@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910041107.19174.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<8548c5f30910032252p369ceca2q516b2744917cd1f0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910041133.48076.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Sunday 04 Oct 2009 11:22:28 am Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> > >  6 days... isn't it rather too long for a specific interest
> > >  conference.
> >
> > weird: http://fossee.in/whydrupal
>
>   Hadn't noticed it was written in Drupal. Well, they might have an
>   excuse since they are focusing on "Scipy" rather than just Py!

I am quite annoyed by the FUD about plone - granted plone is a pain to 
customise, but a Q&D CMS? All it needs is click click click - what on earth is 
this guy doing with buildout, restarting zope etc etc? Not that I would expect 
much from someone who is comfortable in drupal. SciPHP anyone?

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From pradeep at btbytes.com  Sun Oct  4 08:17:27 2009
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 02:17:27 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] SciPy India 2009 - SciPy.in
In-Reply-To: <200910041133.48076.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <a5031abc0910031900l23bc152bj9cf77ca6af91a94e@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910041107.19174.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<8548c5f30910032252p369ceca2q516b2744917cd1f0@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910041133.48076.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <3e3294b70910032317j4741dae3pbf89e1dac1c7ed48@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> On Sunday 04 Oct 2009 11:22:28 am Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
>> > > ?6 days... isn't it rather too long for a specific interest
>> > > ?conference.
>> >
>> > weird: http://fossee.in/whydrupal
>>
>> ? Hadn't noticed it was written in Drupal. Well, they might have an
>> ? excuse since they are focusing on "Scipy" rather than just Py!
>
> I am quite annoyed by the FUD about plone - granted plone is a pain to
> customise, but a Q&D CMS? All it needs is click click click - what on earth is
> this guy doing with buildout, restarting zope etc etc? Not that I would expect
> much from someone who is comfortable in drupal. SciPHP anyone?

Plone has the easiest setup story of all the CMSes. You don't even
need to have a database  and a webserver for $deity's sake. Some how
installing and configuring a database, and a webserver is easier than
running an installer !

I think the key quote from the TFA is "Since
I had some experience with drupal, I suggested that we go with drupal,
since I had some experience with its working. I worked for a couple of
hours to set up a basic site on my local machine"

Yeah? really? what about downloading a windows installer or a mac
installer  for plone and doing a click-click-click as KG suggested
and be done with it in minutes?

The biggest joke of all has to be the fact that all the features that
I see on their site, including events works out of the box on plone
without installing a single external plugin. And plone's event
features have lot more features than the half-assed calender i see on
that site.

PHP+MySQL is the BASIC of this age.

+PG

From mbaiju at zeomega.com  Sun Oct  4 08:53:01 2009
From: mbaiju at zeomega.com (Baiju M)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:23:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: [dfwPython] Introducing: The Python Project Howto
	for Releasing as Open Source
In-Reply-To: <4AC71DCB.4070500@taupro.com>
References: <4AC71DCB.4070500@taupro.com>
Message-ID: <c911c70d0910032353h5e91614bt6c653418ceab0329@mail.gmail.com>

>From dfwPython group ...


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jeff Rush <jeff at taupro.com>
Date: Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 3:17 PM
Subject: [dfwPython] Introducing: The Python Project Howto for
Releasing as Open Source
To: dfwpython <dfwpython at dfwpython.org>


I came across a cool website, which is still under refinement and wants
ideas from us, the Python community. ?It is called the Python Project Howto.

?http://infinitemonkeycorps.net/docs/pph/

It provides a one (long) page guide to publishing your Python source
after coding it, covering version control choices, your hosting options,
?producing quality code using Pylint, various kinds of unit and coverage
tests, documenting it using reStructuredText in docstrings and Sphinx,
licensing choices and how to package it and upload it to the Cheeseshop.

A very useful reference to keep handy.

-Jeff
_______________________________________________
dfwPython mailing list
dfwPython at dfwpython.org
https://www.dfwpython.org/mailman/listinfo/dfwpython

From sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 09:12:09 2009
From: sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com (Sidharth Kuruvila)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 12:42:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] SciPy India 2009 - SciPy.in
In-Reply-To: <3e3294b70910032317j4741dae3pbf89e1dac1c7ed48@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a5031abc0910031900l23bc152bj9cf77ca6af91a94e@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910041107.19174.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<8548c5f30910032252p369ceca2q516b2744917cd1f0@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910041133.48076.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<3e3294b70910032317j4741dae3pbf89e1dac1c7ed48@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.u09j7kanjp4oc1@sidharth-macbook.local>

Hey Hey, no need to dis Php, or Drupal for that matter, it's actually a  
mighty fine language for what it does. And they have been making it a lot  
better(namespaces, closures and, possibly just for Pradeep, goto).

Nice to see conferences happening around python.

On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 11:47:27 +0530, Pradeep Gowda <pradeep at btbytes.com>  
wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>  
> wrote:
>> On Sunday 04 Oct 2009 11:22:28 am Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
>>> > >  6 days... isn't it rather too long for a specific interest
>>> > >  conference.
>>> >
>>> > weird: http://fossee.in/whydrupal
>>>
>>>   Hadn't noticed it was written in Drupal. Well, they might have an
>>>   excuse since they are focusing on "Scipy" rather than just Py!
>>
>> I am quite annoyed by the FUD about plone - granted plone is a pain to
>> customise, but a Q&D CMS? All it needs is click click click - what on  
>> earth is
>> this guy doing with buildout, restarting zope etc etc? Not that I would  
>> expect
>> much from someone who is comfortable in drupal. SciPHP anyone?
>
> Plone has the easiest setup story of all the CMSes. You don't even
> need to have a database  and a webserver for $deity's sake. Some how
> installing and configuring a database, and a webserver is easier than
> running an installer !
>
> I think the key quote from the TFA is "Since
> I had some experience with drupal, I suggested that we go with drupal,
> since I had some experience with its working. I worked for a couple of
> hours to set up a basic site on my local machine"
>
> Yeah? really? what about downloading a windows installer or a mac
> installer  for plone and doing a click-click-click as KG suggested
> and be done with it in minutes?
>
> The biggest joke of all has to be the fact that all the features that
> I see on their site, including events works out of the box on plone
> without installing a single external plugin. And plone's event
> features have lot more features than the half-assed calender i see on
> that site.
>
> PHP+MySQL is the BASIC of this age.
>
> +PG
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers


-- 
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From sridhar.ratna at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 09:26:40 2009
From: sridhar.ratna at gmail.com (srid)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 00:26:40 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: [dfwPython] Introducing: The Python Project
	Howto for Releasing as Open Source
In-Reply-To: <c911c70d0910032353h5e91614bt6c653418ceab0329@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AC71DCB.4070500@taupro.com>
	<c911c70d0910032353h5e91614bt6c653418ceab0329@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c73a13a0910040026v13177df3la4481e13c680756a@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.com> wrote:
> ?http://infinitemonkeycorps.net/docs/pph/
>
> It provides a one (long) page guide to publishing your Python source
> after coding it, covering version control choices, your hosting options,
> ?producing quality code using Pylint, various kinds of unit and coverage
> tests, documenting it using reStructuredText in docstrings and Sphinx,
> licensing choices and how to package it and upload it to the Cheeseshop.

Adding to what is written, the following command will create a rough
project skeleton using setuptools:

  $ paster create -t basic_package MyProject

(For this to work, one should have PasteScript installed)

-srid

From abpillai at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 10:36:41 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 14:06:41 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] SciPy India 2009 - SciPy.in
In-Reply-To: <200910041133.48076.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <a5031abc0910031900l23bc152bj9cf77ca6af91a94e@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910041107.19174.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<8548c5f30910032252p369ceca2q516b2744917cd1f0@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910041133.48076.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910040136m580f4e68nda543da89fd8277@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Sunday 04 Oct 2009 11:22:28 am Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> > > >  6 days... isn't it rather too long for a specific interest
> > > >  conference.
> > >
> > > weird: http://fossee.in/whydrupal
> >
> >   Hadn't noticed it was written in Drupal. Well, they might have an
> >   excuse since they are focusing on "Scipy" rather than just Py!
>
> I am quite annoyed by the FUD about plone - granted plone is a pain to
> customise, but a Q&D CMS? All it needs is click click click - what on earth
> is
> this guy doing with buildout, restarting zope etc etc? Not that I would
> expect
> much from someone who is comfortable in drupal. SciPHP anyone?
>

  "Since I had some experience with drupal, I suggested that we go
  with drupal, since I had some experience with its working."

  I am bemused by this guy's thinking process. If he had some experience
with Drupal, then why not go for it the first thing ?
Why all this experiment with Plone and some good amount of bashing
at the end ?

 I typically stay away from Web framework stuff since it is not my
cup of tea, but it is quite strange to see this kind of Plone bashing
from a site which is hosting a Python related conference!

He should just change the "Why Drupal" content to "Because I
only know Drupal and I don't feel apologetic to run a non-python
framework for this site". The current content feels thoroughly
apologetic and quite flame inducing.


>
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Project Officer
> NRC-FOSS
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
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From pradeep at btbytes.com  Sun Oct  4 15:37:24 2009
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:37:24 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] SciPy India 2009 - SciPy.in
In-Reply-To: <op.u09j7kanjp4oc1@sidharth-macbook.local>
References: <a5031abc0910031900l23bc152bj9cf77ca6af91a94e@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910041107.19174.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<8548c5f30910032252p369ceca2q516b2744917cd1f0@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910041133.48076.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<3e3294b70910032317j4741dae3pbf89e1dac1c7ed48@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.u09j7kanjp4oc1@sidharth-macbook.local>
Message-ID: <3e3294b70910040637s602bb300i37c8407c342865e1@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 3:12 AM, Sidharth Kuruvila
<sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Hey, no need to dis Php, or Drupal for that matter, it's actually a
> mighty fine language for what it does. And they have been making it a lot
> better(namespaces, closures and, possibly just for Pradeep, goto).

Pretty weak sauce, don't you think. How did  you go from my response
to "Hey Hey, no need to dis Php, or Drupal for that matter"?

TFA is akin a person who has played baseball all his life being
assigned with the task of starting a cricket team in his school. He
comes over to a cricket practice session, swings the bat couple of
times in the air, misses the ball and goes back to write an article
saying how lame cricket is. [and vice versa].

Read gems like this:
""There was also the option of going with Django, which we discarded
because most of our site would be static and we thought it would be
too much work to do for a static site""

Well, if all you want is a static site, there are LOT more options.
For instance, Jekyll http://jekyllrb.com/ which is familiar to all who
have used github or webgen[2] or my own webgen.py[3] which Zed Shaw
has used/modified to power his popular blog and lamsonproject
website[4][5].  Where is the evidence for the TFA's author's  honest
attempt to use a python framework before dissing them and using
Drupal?

And what about "Django CMS procedure was too cumbersome."
Django CMS installation[1] is standard fare for anyone who has gone
through the django 4-part tutorial.

""very simple and instinctive. Drupal provides an interface that is
uncluttered and quite uncomplicated to navigate through. Also drupal
has a whole suite of modules that provide scale the functionality of a
website to great levels."" -- at this point he could have as well be
making tender love to Drupal.

The more I read, the more I see evidence of trying to justify the use
of Drupal more than doing an objective evaluation.
He could have said "Boss, I know Drupal best. I can do more with
Drupal in the given time than any other CMS. But, since you asked me
to evaluate python CMSes I'm going to cruise past them and call names
so that you know that I tried".

PHP is not the problem. The *users* of PHP tend to get wired in weird
ways after using it exclusively like the basic/vb programmers of the
yore.

There is not enough evidence for us to believe that your typical
PHP/Drupal developer is a connoisseur of CS concepts like closures.
Owning a bat once used by Don Bradman does not guarantee that the team
will beat Australia.

+PG


[1] http://www.django-cms.org/en/documentation/2.0/installation/
[2] http://webgen.rubyforge.org/
[3] http://github.com/btbytes/webgen.py/
[4] http://zedshaw.com
[5] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Ezedshaw/lamson/development/annotate/head%3A/doc/lamsonproject.org/webgen.py

From sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 16:25:53 2009
From: sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com (Sidharth Kuruvila)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 19:55:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] SciPy India 2009 - SciPy.in
In-Reply-To: <3e3294b70910040637s602bb300i37c8407c342865e1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a5031abc0910031900l23bc152bj9cf77ca6af91a94e@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910041107.19174.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<8548c5f30910032252p369ceca2q516b2744917cd1f0@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910041133.48076.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<3e3294b70910032317j4741dae3pbf89e1dac1c7ed48@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.u09j7kanjp4oc1@sidharth-macbook.local>
	<3e3294b70910040637s602bb300i37c8407c342865e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.u094rmm1jp4oc1@sidharth-macbook.local>

A thousand apologies, the "possibly just for Pradeep, goto", was a meant  
as a light joke not to be taken personally. Goto was the original issue  
with Basic.

You hit the nail squarely on the head when you say "The *users* of PHP  
tend to get wired in weird ways after using it". So do the users of python  
or any other language, in their own way. You can choose not to like Php,  
but there are a lot of good programmers who do use it productively.

The fact is that you've obviously invested some amount of time working  
with various python frameworks, which make certain choices obvious to you.  
The author of the article obviously wasn't able to do that, Drupal seems  
like a sensible decision to have made. I'd agree the post is almost  
certainly not objective, but then most comparisons are that way, it's  
something we have to live with.

Ps. I am talking from my own perspective, if I was asked to create a  
website backed by a database, I'd chose something based on Php simply  
because that's what I have some recent experience working with, so I spend  
less time wasted trying to learn the tools.

From pradeep at btbytes.com  Sun Oct  4 16:47:27 2009
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:47:27 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] SciPy India 2009 - SciPy.in
In-Reply-To: <op.u094rmm1jp4oc1@sidharth-macbook.local>
References: <a5031abc0910031900l23bc152bj9cf77ca6af91a94e@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910041107.19174.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<8548c5f30910032252p369ceca2q516b2744917cd1f0@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910041133.48076.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<3e3294b70910032317j4741dae3pbf89e1dac1c7ed48@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.u09j7kanjp4oc1@sidharth-macbook.local>
	<3e3294b70910040637s602bb300i37c8407c342865e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.u094rmm1jp4oc1@sidharth-macbook.local>
Message-ID: <3e3294b70910040747y1c664b31y1e600c2ce1befc76@mail.gmail.com>

I have no issues with PHP. Heck, I wrote my first website[1] using PHP
and a flat file (CSV) database when MySQL hosting was expensive :).

Textpattern (a superb CMS written in PHP+MySQL) powers my wife's
recipe website and she likes it as a user and I as a very dormant
administrator.

[1] http://web.archive.org/web/20030802085747/http://www.btbytes.com/

Happy hacking,
+PG

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Sidharth Kuruvila
<sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com> wrote:
> A thousand apologies, the "possibly just for Pradeep, goto", was a meant as
> a light joke not to be taken personally. Goto was the original issue with
> Basic.
>
> You hit the nail squarely on the head when you say "The *users* of PHP tend
> to get wired in weird ways after using it". So do the users of python or any
> other language, in their own way. You can choose not to like Php, but there
> are a lot of good programmers who do use it productively.
>
> The fact is that you've obviously invested some amount of time working with
> various python frameworks, which make certain choices obvious to you. The
> author of the article obviously wasn't able to do that, Drupal seems like a
> sensible decision to have made. I'd agree the post is almost certainly not
> objective, but then most comparisons are that way, it's something we have to
> live with.
>
> Ps. I am talking from my own perspective, if I was asked to create a website
> backed by a database, I'd chose something based on Php simply because that's
> what I have some recent experience working with, so I spend less time wasted
> trying to learn the tools.
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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Phone: 317-428-1965
Fax: 317-846-3777
pradeep at enthenergy.com

From lorddaemon at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 21:18:17 2009
From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Darkseid)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 00:48:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] web services
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910010128q2aa7ca19rc7589a66c04edb53@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1528d2590909302341l374ef71aoc5fe621267e4be49@mail.gmail.com>	<91bea30d0909302358h2e6c67f1qc9684b097dd1b213@mail.gmail.com>	<1528d2590910010109k1b3d0825j433e530c4757df6d@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910010128q2aa7ca19rc7589a66c04edb53@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC8F4F9.4090308@gmail.com>

I'd strongly recommend giving SOAP a pass and going with REST unless you 
need to integrate with an existing legacy SOAP system.

Best,
Sidu.

Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:39 PM, sudhakar s <ssquery at gmail.com 
> <mailto:ssquery at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I was trying SOAP web services.How to construct .
>
>
>
>  Use SOAPpy. Here is the straight dope without any WSDL etc.
>
> from SOAPPy import ThreadingSOAPServer
>
> server = ThreadingSOAPServer(('0.0.0.0', 8888))
> server.registerFunction(check)
> server.registerFunction(dummy)
> server.serve_forever()
>
> Now your functions "check" and "dummy" are available to a SOAP client
> at localhost:8888 port.
>
> Please don't CC non-relevant lists in your posts. X-posting
> is a virtue rarely, only if you know what you are doing.
>  
>
>
>
>         --
>         The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!
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>
>
>
>     -- 
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>     S Sudhakar.
>
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>
>
>
> -- 
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>
>
>
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From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 09:22:52 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 12:52:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon APAC 2010
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910050022p2e1188a6j85d0d6e34042764d@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,
    I'm assuming that the audience here is a superset of the one at
inpycon. This should reach everyone.

    During PyCon India, I received a couple of mails from the
organisers of the APAC PyCon 2010 in Singapore. They're interested in
coordinating Python efforts throughout the region and see India as one
of the countries which can make a mark.

    He's asked me to spread the word a little about the conference. I
mentioned their call for proposals at my talk during PyCon India. The
official site is at http://apac.pycon.org and the CFP links are at
http://pycon.sit.rp.sg/conference-1 and
http://pycon.sit.rp.sg/tutorial-1

    I've uploaded the PDF version of the CFP at
http://nibrahim.net.in/PyCon-Asia-Pacific-Call for Paper.pdf (just in
case attachments are not allowed on this list).

    As with all conferences, it's only as good as the people who
participate and the papers that are presented so do try to pitch in.

Thanks.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Mon Oct  5 10:01:31 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 13:31:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] SciPy India 2009 - SciPy.in
In-Reply-To: <op.u094rmm1jp4oc1@sidharth-macbook.local>
References: <a5031abc0910031900l23bc152bj9cf77ca6af91a94e@mail.gmail.com>
	<3e3294b70910040637s602bb300i37c8407c342865e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.u094rmm1jp4oc1@sidharth-macbook.local>
Message-ID: <200910051331.32178.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Sunday 04 Oct 2009 7:55:53 pm Sidharth Kuruvila wrote:
> Ps. I am talking from my own perspective, if I was asked to create a  
> website backed by a database, I'd chose something based on Php simply  
> because that's what I have some recent experience working with, so I spend
>   less time wasted trying to learn the tools.

especially, I suppose if the website in question was for the purpose of 
promoting python?
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 13:16:12 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:46:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] SciPy India 2009 - SciPy.in
In-Reply-To: <op.u094rmm1jp4oc1@sidharth-macbook.local>
References: <a5031abc0910031900l23bc152bj9cf77ca6af91a94e@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910041107.19174.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<8548c5f30910032252p369ceca2q516b2744917cd1f0@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910041133.48076.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<3e3294b70910032317j4741dae3pbf89e1dac1c7ed48@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.u09j7kanjp4oc1@sidharth-macbook.local>
	<3e3294b70910040637s602bb300i37c8407c342865e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.u094rmm1jp4oc1@sidharth-macbook.local>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910050416p32c18af2ua46be4893666b150@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Sidharth Kuruvila
<sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> Ps. I am talking from my own perspective, if I was asked to create a website
> backed by a database, I'd chose something based on Php simply because that's
> what I have some recent experience working with, so I spend less time wasted
> trying to learn the tools.
[..]

That's a sane choice but it destroys your screen cred as a Python web
advocate (if you are one). The web is one of Python's many domains
(given the number of web frameworks etc.) and this from a Python
conference organiser is a clear statement saying that *none* of them
were good enough for him.

If, after this, you try to speak to a technical audience about
developing and deploying websites with using a Python web framework,
they'd be more than just a little sceptical. :)

I don't think there are going to be many web development talks at
*sci*py but if this doesn't come up during the conference, I would be
reappy surprised.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Tue Oct  6 02:27:15 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 05:57:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] SciPy India 2009 - SciPy.in
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910050416p32c18af2ua46be4893666b150@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a5031abc0910031900l23bc152bj9cf77ca6af91a94e@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.u094rmm1jp4oc1@sidharth-macbook.local>
	<9963e56e0910050416p32c18af2ua46be4893666b150@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910060557.15609.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Monday 05 Oct 2009 4:46:12 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> > Ps. I am talking from my own perspective, if I was asked to create a
> > website backed by a database, I'd chose something based on Php simply
> > because that's what I have some recent experience working with, so I
> > spend less time wasted trying to learn the tools.
>
> [..]
>
> That's a sane choice

actually I personally would not employ/engage a person whose criterion for 
choosing a tool is 'what is easiest for me'. I need a person who would not 
mind struggling a bit to do the work with a tool that is best for me (ie, best 
for the customer). Yes, drupal is easy - excellent for the weekend warrior 
maintaining his own site. But for a developer with a conscience it is a 
nightmare - I remember looking at their site in August and notice about 60 odd 
security patches in 2009 alone. Imagine maintaining a dozen drupal sites and 
spending one's whole time applying the patches! Compared with plone or django, 
which do not even have a security page or a security mailing list. I set up a 
django site in 2005, and only visited it the other day because the customer 
wanted some enhancements. I am yet to visit the plone site I set up 2 years 
back. Of course many so-called developers do not have a conscience, they leave 
the site to the customer, and when it is cracked they say - 'why are you 
sleeping? Can you not see the hundreds of security patches you should have 
applied'. And php developers promoting python? verily they are worms in 
snake's skins ;-)
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 13:28:31 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:58:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] SciPy India 2009 - SciPy.in
In-Reply-To: <3e3294b70910040747y1c664b31y1e600c2ce1befc76@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a5031abc0910031900l23bc152bj9cf77ca6af91a94e@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910041107.19174.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<8548c5f30910032252p369ceca2q516b2744917cd1f0@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910041133.48076.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<3e3294b70910032317j4741dae3pbf89e1dac1c7ed48@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.u09j7kanjp4oc1@sidharth-macbook.local>
	<3e3294b70910040637s602bb300i37c8407c342865e1@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Pradeep Gowda <pradeep at btbytes.com> wrote:
[..]
> Textpattern (a superb CMS written in PHP+MySQL) powers my wife's
> recipe website and she likes it as a user and I as a very dormant
> administrator.
[..]

I like textpattern. Something about their overall style and
presentation makes it very.... retro classy. :)

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Tue Oct  6 02:58:49 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 06:28:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] SciPy India 2009 - SciPy.in
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910050428u47d9675doc9a0262cf02b2645@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a5031abc0910031900l23bc152bj9cf77ca6af91a94e@mail.gmail.com>
	<3e3294b70910040747y1c664b31y1e600c2ce1befc76@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910050428u47d9675doc9a0262cf02b2645@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910060628.49701.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Monday 05 Oct 2009 4:58:31 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Pradeep Gowda <pradeep at btbytes.com> wrote:
> [..]
>
> > Textpattern (a superb CMS written in PHP+MySQL) powers my wife's
> > recipe website and she likes it as a user and I as a very dormant
> > administrator.
>
> [..]
>
> I like textpattern. Something about their overall style and
> presentation makes it very.... retro classy. :)


cool looking site - and doesn't even have a security page!
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Oct  6 02:40:49 2009
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 19:40:49 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] SciPy India 2009 - SciPy.in
In-Reply-To: <200910060557.15609.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <a5031abc0910031900l23bc152bj9cf77ca6af91a94e@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.u094rmm1jp4oc1@sidharth-macbook.local>
	<9963e56e0910050416p32c18af2ua46be4893666b150@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910060557.15609.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <549053140910051740l7d3c69ccp7aba0a3fc835c321@mail.gmail.com>

This just in: Drupal has been ported to Django http://drupy.net/

-- 
Carl K

From baiju at muthukadan.net  Sun Oct  4 08:30:15 2009
From: baiju at muthukadan.net (Baiju Muthukadan)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:00:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] SciPy India 2009 - SciPy.in
In-Reply-To: <a5031abc0910031900l23bc152bj9cf77ca6af91a94e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a5031abc0910031900l23bc152bj9cf77ca6af91a94e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a5031abc0910032330v29e6c6f9od52c79c9adb3340a@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Baiju Muthukadan <baiju at muthukadan.net> wrote:
> I found this today at python.org :
>
> http://scipy.in/

I started this thread with the hope that they may get some
encouragement.  BangPypers is a group of Python programs.
Do we need to care whether they do it for Desktop,Web or
whatever purpose. Also we should encourage all kinds
of Python flavors like CPython, IronPython, Jython etc.
Please provide them some support, if possible.

P.S:  I am not a "Sci" guy, so I won't be going for this conference.

Regards,
Baiju M

From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 05:43:25 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:13:25 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] SciPy India 2009 - SciPy.in
In-Reply-To: <a5031abc0910032330v29e6c6f9od52c79c9adb3340a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a5031abc0910031900l23bc152bj9cf77ca6af91a94e@mail.gmail.com>
	<a5031abc0910032330v29e6c6f9od52c79c9adb3340a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910052043q1fac4779occfed796490bcb29@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Baiju Muthukadan <baiju at muthukadan.net>wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Baiju Muthukadan <baiju at muthukadan.net>
> wrote:
> > I found this today at python.org :
> >
> > http://scipy.in/
>
> I started this thread with the hope that they may get some
> encouragement.  BangPypers is a group of Python programs.
>

  You mean programmers, and a very sensitive group of programmers,
  mind you :-)


> Do we need to care whether they do it for Desktop,Web or
> whatever purpose. Also we should encourage all kinds
> of Python flavors like CPython, IronPython, Jython etc.
> Please provide them some support, if possible.
>

 Unfortunately, I do,  and a lot many others seems to.
 You would agree with many others who posted in this thread,
 that running a conf site about Python in Drupal is like going to
 the back-foot even before the very first ball is bowled. All the
 more if he is blogging about it and bashing Python frameworks
 while at it.

 Regarding any help, I doubt if they need any, since they seem to
 be well organized already.


> P.S:  I am not a "Sci" guy, so I won't be going for this conference.
>
>
 Yes, it surely is more Sci than Py I would say.  Still, it would be a good
 conf for engineers and mathematicians and guys who need more
 insights into numerical and mathematical problem solving.



> Regards,
> Baiju M
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From cspesit at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 09:01:51 2009
From: cspesit at gmail.com (cspesit)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 00:01:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers]  Anyone worked on GNuRadio out here?
Message-ID: <25745999.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi guys,
Working on a GNUradio project.
Following error encountered when i run multi_usrp_rx_cfile.py


[shesha2 at anrc multi_usrp]$ ./multi_usrp_rx_cfile.py 
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./multi_usrp_rx_cfile.py", line 18, in <module>
    from gnuradio import usrp_multi
ImportError: cannot import name usrp_multi


Tried setting python path,manually copying usrp_multi to prsent working
directory,not resolved

Any inputs?
Thanks
Sudarshan
9-88-66-37-21-9
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From bengkeatliew at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 04:46:43 2009
From: bengkeatliew at gmail.com (Liew BengKeat)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:46:43 +0800
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon APAC 2010
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910050022p2e1188a6j85d0d6e34042764d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910050022p2e1188a6j85d0d6e34042764d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3bcca90910051946x794f66denb8189cca7db99308@mail.gmail.com>

Thks Noufal.

Heard that you guys had a fantastic conference. Way to go!

Hi all, we would love to hear of work that you guys are doing with Python.
Steven Holden and Mark Hammond are coming amongst others.

rgds
Beng Keat

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>    I'm assuming that the audience here is a superset of the one at
> inpycon. This should reach everyone.
>
>    During PyCon India, I received a couple of mails from the
> organisers of the APAC PyCon 2010 in Singapore. They're interested in
> coordinating Python efforts throughout the region and see India as one
> of the countries which can make a mark.
>
>    He's asked me to spread the word a little about the conference. I
> mentioned their call for proposals at my talk during PyCon India. The
> official site is at http://apac.pycon.org and the CFP links are at
> http://pycon.sit.rp.sg/conference-1 and
> http://pycon.sit.rp.sg/tutorial-1
>
>    I've uploaded the PDF version of the CFP at
> http://nibrahim.net.in/PyCon-Asia-Pacific-Call for Paper.pdf (just in
> case attachments are not allowed on this list).
>
>    As with all conferences, it's only as good as the people who
> participate and the papers that are presented so do try to pitch in.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
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From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 07:08:09 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:38:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone worked on GNuRadio out here?
In-Reply-To: <25745999.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25745999.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910052208j11d3ed3epa24f00ad73c1e372@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 12:31 PM, cspesit <cspesit at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
> Working on a GNUradio project.
> Following error encountered when i run multi_usrp_rx_cfile.py
>
>
> [shesha2 at anrc multi_usrp]$ ./multi_usrp_rx_cfile.py
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> ?File "./multi_usrp_rx_cfile.py", line 18, in <module>
> ? ?from gnuradio import usrp_multi
> ImportError: cannot import name usrp_multi

I haven't worked on gnuradio myself but one thing that occurs to me
that is that gnuradio is a python package and the __init__.py can't
get imported for some reason.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 05:47:19 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:17:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] SciPy India 2009 - SciPy.in
In-Reply-To: <a5031abc0910032330v29e6c6f9od52c79c9adb3340a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a5031abc0910031900l23bc152bj9cf77ca6af91a94e@mail.gmail.com>
	<a5031abc0910032330v29e6c6f9od52c79c9adb3340a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910052047y4e3616a7k7a804c9f09b32ed3@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Baiju Muthukadan <baiju at muthukadan.net> wrote:
[..]
> Please provide them some support, if possible.

All power to them.

The drupal selection is going to come up repeatedly though.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Tue Oct  6 08:28:58 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:58:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] SciPy India 2009 - SciPy.in
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910052047y4e3616a7k7a804c9f09b32ed3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a5031abc0910031900l23bc152bj9cf77ca6af91a94e@mail.gmail.com>
	<a5031abc0910032330v29e6c6f9od52c79c9adb3340a@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910052047y4e3616a7k7a804c9f09b32ed3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910061158.58989.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Tuesday 06 Oct 2009 9:17:19 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Baiju Muthukadan <baiju at muthukadan.net>
> wrote: [..]
>
> > Please provide them some support, if possible.
>
> All power to them.
>
> The drupal selection is going to come up repeatedly though.

and I am going to land in deep kaka in Ilugc - no one has noticed yet, and if 
any of you know any prayers please pray that no one notices.

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From kadambari.devarajan at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 14:43:09 2009
From: kadambari.devarajan at gmail.com (Kadambari Devarajan)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 18:13:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
Message-ID: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,

The first "Scientific Computing with Python" conference in India (
http://scipy.in) will be held from December 12th to 17th, 2009 at the
Technopark in Trivandrum, Kerala, India (http://www.technopark.org/).

The theme of the conference will be "Scientific Python in Action" with
respect to application and teaching.  We are pleased to have Travis
Oliphant, the creator and lead developer of numpy (http://numpy.scipy.org)
as the keynote speaker.

Here is a rough schedule of the conference:

   Sat.    Dec. 12  (conference)
   Sun.    Dec. 13  (conference)
   Mon.   Dec. 14  (tutorials)
   Tues.  Dec. 15  (tutorials)
   Wed.   Dec. 16  (sprint)
   Thu.    Dec. 17  (sprint)

The tutorial sessions will have two tracks, one specifically for teachers
and one for the general public.

There are no registration fees.

Please register at:

       http://scipy.in

The call for papers will be announced soon.

This conference is organized by the FOSSEE project (http://fossee.in) funded
by the Ministry of Human Resources and Development's National
Mission on Education (NME) through Information and CommunicationTechnology
(ICT) jointly with SPACE-Kerala
(http://www.space-kerala.org).

Regards,
Kadambari Devarajan.

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From cranil89 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 17:03:24 2009
From: cranil89 at gmail.com (Anil)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:33:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ACB5C3C.6070400@gmail.com>

I so wanted to attend this too bad... I have my exams... :(
where will the PyCon vids be put up?

Kadambari Devarajan wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> The first "Scientific Computing with Python" conference in India 
> (http://scipy.in <http://scipy.in/>) will be held from December 12th 
> to 17th, 2009 at the
> Technopark in Trivandrum, Kerala, India (http://www.technopark.org/).
>
> The theme of the conference will be "Scientific Python in Action" with 
> respect to application and teaching.  We are pleased to have Travis
> Oliphant, the creator and lead developer of numpy 
> (http://numpy.scipy.org <http://numpy.scipy.org/>) as the keynote speaker.
>
> Here is a rough schedule of the conference:
>
>    Sat.    Dec. 12  (conference)
>    Sun.    Dec. 13  (conference)
>    Mon.   Dec. 14  (tutorials)
>    Tues.  Dec. 15  (tutorials)
>    Wed.   Dec. 16  (sprint)
>    Thu.    Dec. 17  (sprint)
>
> The tutorial sessions will have two tracks, one specifically for 
> teachers and one for the general public.
>
> There are no registration fees.
>
> Please register at:
>
>        http://scipy.in <http://scipy.in/>
>
> The call for papers will be announced soon.
>
> This conference is organized by the FOSSEE project (http://fossee.in 
> <http://fossee.in/>) funded by the Ministry of Human Resources and 
> Development's National
> Mission on Education (NME) through Information and 
> CommunicationTechnology (ICT) jointly with SPACE-Kerala
> (http://www.space-kerala.org <http://www.space-kerala.org/>).
>
> Regards,
> Kadambari Devarajan.
>
> -- 
> Check out my blog at
> http://kadambarid.livejournal.com
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Oct  6 17:25:32 2009
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:25:32 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <4ACB5C3C.6070400@gmail.com>
References: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ACB5C3C.6070400@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <549053140910060825p81dc00paf962b41fa69ad7e@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Anil <cranil89 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I so wanted to attend this too bad... I have my exams... :(
> where will the PyCon vids be put up?

Forgive me if I am being typical... but if you mean these:
http://pycon.blip.tv
there they are.

if you mean videos from scipy.in, I don't know if they are being
recorded.  However, if someone will cover my plane ticket and hotel
room, I can handle the rest, including a nice intro "talk foo by bar
brought to you by NiceCo.com"

>
> Kadambari Devarajan wrote:
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> The first "Scientific Computing with Python" conference in India
>> (http://scipy.in <http://scipy.in/>) will be held from December 12th to
>> 17th, 2009 at the
>> Technopark in Trivandrum, Kerala, India (http://www.technopark.org/).
>>
>> The theme of the conference will be "Scientific Python in Action" with
>> respect to application and teaching. ?We are pleased to have Travis
>> Oliphant, the creator and lead developer of numpy (http://numpy.scipy.org
>> <http://numpy.scipy.org/>) as the keynote speaker.
>>
>> Here is a rough schedule of the conference:
>>
>> ? Sat. ? ?Dec. 12 ?(conference)
>> ? Sun. ? ?Dec. 13 ?(conference)
>> ? Mon. ? Dec. 14 ?(tutorials)
>> ? Tues. ?Dec. 15 ?(tutorials)
>> ? Wed. ? Dec. 16 ?(sprint)
>> ? Thu. ? ?Dec. 17 ?(sprint)
>>
>> The tutorial sessions will have two tracks, one specifically for teachers
>> and one for the general public.
>>
>> There are no registration fees.
>>
>> Please register at:
>>
>> ? ? ? http://scipy.in <http://scipy.in/>
>>
>> The call for papers will be announced soon.
>>
>> This conference is organized by the FOSSEE project (http://fossee.in
>> <http://fossee.in/>) funded by the Ministry of Human Resources and
>> Development's National
>> Mission on Education (NME) through Information and CommunicationTechnology
>> (ICT) jointly with SPACE-Kerala
>> (http://www.space-kerala.org <http://www.space-kerala.org/>).
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kadambari Devarajan.
>>
>> --
>> Check out my blog at
>> http://kadambarid.livejournal.com
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From anandology at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 17:54:25 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:24:25 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Nested try-catch
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910060854m3760c4ebs215e5b4e24e63cdb@mail.gmail.com>

I encountered a tricky situation with nested try-catch. Here is the sample code:

def f():
    raise Exception("f")

def g():
    raise Exception("g")

try:
    f()
except:
    # do cleanup
    try:
        g()
    except:
        pass # ignore
    raise

This code raises Exception("g") instead of Exception("f") as intended.
The first exception is lost when the second one is generated. However,
this issue has been resolved in Python 3.0.

$ python2.5 a.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "a.py", line 13, in <module>
    g()
  File "a.py", line 6, in g
    raise Exception("g")
Exception: g

$ python3.0 a.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "a.py", line 9, in <module>
    f()
  File "a.py", line 3, in f
    raise Exception("f")
Exception: f

I managed to work-around that problem like this:

try:
    f()
except:
    x = sys.exc_info()
    # do cleanup
    try:
        g()
    except:
        pass # ignore
    raise x[0], x[1], x[2]

It provides exception class, object and traceback to raise instead of
letting raise take the last exception/traceback.

Has anybody else faced similar situation? Any better solutions?

Anand

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct  7 03:17:06 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 06:47:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910070647.06621.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Monday 05 Oct 2009 6:13:09 pm Kadambari Devarajan wrote:
> The first "Scientific Computing with Python" conference in India (
> http://scipy.in) will be held from December 12th to 17th, 2009 at the
> Technopark in Trivandrum, Kerala, India (http://www.technopark.org/).

cool - I wish your conference all the best, but I have a serious beef. I would 
suggest that before spreading python around the world, you could take a few 
days off and spread python around your team. The post:
 http://fossee.in/whydrupal

has not only exposed the abysmal ignorance of the author of all things python 
and spread FUD about plone, but is also a slap in the face for all of us who 
are engaged in python advocacy. How do you expect the public at large to take 
your advocacy of python seriously when your team itself expresses the opinion 
that python sucks?

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 18:17:00 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:47:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Nested try-catch
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910060854m3760c4ebs215e5b4e24e63cdb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41139fcb0910060854m3760c4ebs215e5b4e24e63cdb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910060917x43fa76dch77633b78c36e50b1@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
>
> Has anybody else faced similar situation? Any better solutions?

Can't say I've come across it. However, it looks like (and was
classified as) a bug which is fixed. :)


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 06:18:35 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:48:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <200910070647.06621.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com> 
	<200910070647.06621.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910062118w1e0f05d3v444f677fd9859e27@mail.gmail.com>

> cool - I wish your conference all the best, but I have a serious beef. I would
> suggest that before spreading python around the world, you could take a few
> days off and spread python around your team. The post:
> ?http://fossee.in/whydrupal
>
> has not only exposed the abysmal ignorance of the author of all things python
> and spread FUD about plone, but is also a slap in the face for all of us who
> are engaged in python advocacy.

I think they have done a quite good job of picking a random CMS and
not wasting their valuable time in implementing a Python software for
managing conference.

> How do you expect the public at large to take
> your advocacy of python seriously when your team itself expresses the opinion
> that python sucks?

They are only advocating Python for scientific community and not for
web frameworks or CMSs.
They are only expressing that there is no good CMS in Python. If you
read it as "Python sucks", then it is your problem.

Anand

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct  7 06:35:40 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:05:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
Message-ID: <200910071005.40521.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 9:48:35 am Anand Chitipothu wrote:
> > and spread FUD about plone, but is also a slap in the face for all of us
> > who are engaged in python advocacy.
>
> I think they have done a quite good job of picking a random CMS and
> not wasting their valuable time in implementing a Python software for
> managing conference.
>
> > How do you expect the public at large to take
> > your advocacy of python seriously when your team itself expresses the
> > opinion that python sucks?
>
> They are only advocating Python for scientific community and not for
> web frameworks or CMSs.
> They are only expressing that there is no good CMS in Python. If you
> read it as "Python sucks", then it is your problem.

I am not objecting to their choice of CMS, I am objecting to the blog post - 
which clearly sends the message that 'python sucks'.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/


From steve at lonetwin.net  Wed Oct  7 06:43:06 2009
From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 10:13:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Nested try-catch
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910060854m3760c4ebs215e5b4e24e63cdb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41139fcb0910060854m3760c4ebs215e5b4e24e63cdb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ACC1C5A.1080401@lonetwin.net>

Hi Anand,
On 10/06/2009 09:24 PM, Anand Chitipothu wrote:
> I encountered a tricky situation with nested try-catch. Here is the sample code:
> I managed to work-around that problem like this:
> [...snip...]
> try:
>      f()
> except:
>      x = sys.exc_info()
>      # do cleanup
>      try:
>          g()
>      except:
>          pass # ignore
>      raise x[0], x[1], x[2]
>
> It provides exception class, object and traceback to raise instead of
> letting raise take the last exception/traceback.
>
> Has anybody else faced similar situation? Any better solutions?
>

Well, i am wondering why you are extracting the exc_info() rather than saving 
off the exception object itself:
try:
     f()
except Exception, e
     saved = e
     try:
         g()
     except:
         pass # ignore
     raise e

I have not tested this on 3.0 but i am assuming this should work. If it doesn't 
try using finally:

try:
     f()
except Exception, e
     saved = e
     try:
         g()
     except:
         pass # ignore
     finally:
         raise e

cheers,
- steve
-- 
random non tech spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/
tech randomness: http://lonehacks.blogspot.com/
what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 06:45:36 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:15:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <200910071005.40521.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <200910071005.40521.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910062145s19f0a2c1y1c1d68bfdfd82e57@mail.gmail.com>

> I am not objecting to their choice of CMS, I am objecting to the blog post -
> which clearly sends the message that 'python sucks'.

They only cribbed about Plone, Pinax and Django-cms. I can't see
anything in that blog post that sounds as "python sucks". Did I miss
anything? Can you please tell me which part of the post sounds like
that?

Anand

From steve at lonetwin.net  Wed Oct  7 06:46:45 2009
From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 10:16:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Nested try-catch
In-Reply-To: <4ACC1C5A.1080401@lonetwin.net>
References: <41139fcb0910060854m3760c4ebs215e5b4e24e63cdb@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ACC1C5A.1080401@lonetwin.net>
Message-ID: <4ACC1D35.9050401@lonetwin.net>

On 10/07/2009 10:13 AM, steve wrote:
> Hi Anand,
> Well, i am wondering why you are extracting the exc_info() rather than saving
> off the exception object itself:
>  [...snip...]
>       raise e
>  [...snip...]
>       finally:
>           raise e
>

Ugh ! sorry, I meant 'raise saved' in both cases.

cheers,
- steve

-- 
random non tech spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/
tech randomness: http://lonehacks.blogspot.com/
what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 06:54:51 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:24:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Nested try-catch
In-Reply-To: <4ACC1C5A.1080401@lonetwin.net>
References: <41139fcb0910060854m3760c4ebs215e5b4e24e63cdb@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4ACC1C5A.1080401@lonetwin.net>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910062154g769a10c2m7919994990f07343@mail.gmail.com>

> Well, i am wondering why you are extracting the exc_info() rather than
> saving off the exception object itself:
> try:
> ? ?f()
> except Exception, e
> ? ?saved = e
> ? ?try:
> ? ? ? ?g()
> ? ?except:
> ? ? ? ?pass # ignore
> ? ?raise e
>
> I have not tested this on 3.0 but i am assuming this should work. If it
> doesn't try using finally:
>
> try:
> ? ?f()
> except Exception, e
> ? ?saved = e
> ? ?try:
> ? ? ? ?g()
> ? ?except:
> ? ? ? ?pass # ignore
> ? ?finally:
> ? ? ? ?raise e

You miss the traceback if you re-raise the exception. It produces this output:

$ python b.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "b.py", line 17, in <module>
    raise e
Exception: f

Instead of this:

$ python a.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "a.py", line 9, in <module>
    f()
  File "a.py", line 3, in f
    raise Exception("f")
Exception: f

When an exception is raised, traceback is taken from the current stack
unless a traceback object is provided to it. I'm using sys.exc_info()
to get the trackback of the original exception and using it when
re-raising the exception.

http://docs.python.org/reference/simple_stmts.html#raise

And there is no need to add "saved = e" as the exception is already
available as variable e.

Anand

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct  7 07:00:42 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:30:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910062145s19f0a2c1y1c1d68bfdfd82e57@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200910071005.40521.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<41139fcb0910062145s19f0a2c1y1c1d68bfdfd82e57@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910071030.42306.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 10:15:36 am Anand Chitipothu wrote:
> > I am not objecting to their choice of CMS, I am objecting to the blog
> > post - which clearly sends the message that 'python sucks'.
>
> They only cribbed about Plone, Pinax and Django-cms. I can't see
> anything in that blog post that sounds as "python sucks". Did I miss
> anything? Can you please tell me which part of the post sounds like
> that?

obviously the colour of the lenses of your specs differs from the colour of 
those of mine - to me the whole blog post spells, 'python sucks php rocks' to 
you it does not. There is no point in arguing about it.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 06:28:47 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:58:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910062118w1e0f05d3v444f677fd9859e27@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910070647.06621.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<41139fcb0910062118w1e0f05d3v444f677fd9859e27@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910062128m5537c508sdd1f544230856a72@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> They are only advocating Python for scientific community and not for
> web frameworks or CMSs.
> They are only expressing that there is no good CMS in Python. If you
> read it as "Python sucks", then it is your problem.
[..]

That's how I read it as well but given the large number of web
frameworks and CMSs for Python, this decision of theirs is going to
come up repeatedly during their efforts. Also, the tone of that page
was quite provocative.



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 05:51:23 2009
From: bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com (bhaskar jain)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:21:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Nested try-catch
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910060917x43fa76dch77633b78c36e50b1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41139fcb0910060854m3760c4ebs215e5b4e24e63cdb@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910060917x43fa76dch77633b78c36e50b1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7f2cbc970910062051p703c9634n115d13ee3beb3757@mail.gmail.com>

Anand, nice find..

But i read this in python docs -

"  Warning
Assigning the traceback return value to a local variable in a function that
is handling an exception will cause a circular reference. This will prevent
anything referenced by a local variable in the same function or by the
traceback from being garbage collected. Since most functions don?t need
access to the traceback, the best solution is to use something like exctype,
value = sys.exc_info()[:2] to extract only the exception type and value. If
you do need the traceback, make sure to delete it after use (best done with
a try ... finally statement) or to call exc_info() in a function that does
not itself handle an exception."


--Bhaskar.



On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> [..]
> >
> > Has anybody else faced similar situation? Any better solutions?
>
> Can't say I've come across it. However, it looks like (and was
> classified as) a bug which is fixed. :)
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
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From shivraj.ms at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 08:10:19 2009
From: shivraj.ms at gmail.com (Shivaraj M S)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 23:10:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <549053140910060825p81dc00paf962b41fa69ad7e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ACB5C3C.6070400@gmail.com>
	<549053140910060825p81dc00paf962b41fa69ad7e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <25781043.post@talk.nabble.com>


> However, if someone will cover my plane ticket and hotel
> room .....
Forgive me if I am being typical... 
Do you mean MHRD, India by "someone"? 
-- 
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From steve at lonetwin.net  Wed Oct  7 08:35:18 2009
From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:05:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Nested try-catch
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910062154g769a10c2m7919994990f07343@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41139fcb0910060854m3760c4ebs215e5b4e24e63cdb@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ACC1C5A.1080401@lonetwin.net>
	<41139fcb0910062154g769a10c2m7919994990f07343@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ACC36A6.5020809@lonetwin.net>

On 10/07/2009 10:24 AM, Anand Chitipothu wrote:
> [...snip...]
> When an exception is raised, traceback is taken from the current stack
> unless a traceback object is provided to it. I'm using sys.exc_info()
> to get the trackback of the original exception and using it when
> re-raising the exception.
>
Ah ok. I assumed you were only interested catching exceptions rather than the 
exception itself, since you were using a blanket except statement.

> http://docs.python.org/reference/simple_stmts.html#raise
>
> And there is no need to add "saved = e" as the exception is already
> available as variable e.

yeah, yeah :) ...that was just pseudo code to emphasize the fact that the object 
is available. In any case, if you really want to be pedantic, you ought to be 
raising custom exceptions rather than the base Exception object and also 
catching specific exceptions rather than a blanket except !

cheers,
- steve

-- 
random non tech spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/
tech randomness: http://lonehacks.blogspot.com/
what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 08:44:06 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:14:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910062128m5537c508sdd1f544230856a72@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910070647.06621.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<41139fcb0910062118w1e0f05d3v444f677fd9859e27@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910062128m5537c508sdd1f544230856a72@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910062344m4a80449bx2d8218e5b52ff373@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> [..]
> > They are only advocating Python for scientific community and not for
> > web frameworks or CMSs.
> > They are only expressing that there is no good CMS in Python. If you
> > read it as "Python sucks", then it is your problem.
> [..]
>
> That's how I read it as well but given the large number of web
> frameworks and CMSs for Python, this decision of theirs is going to
> come up repeatedly during their efforts. Also, the tone of that page
> was quite provocative.
>

  +1. You got to be a forgiving Solomon to remain so cool after reading that

 post and I am not one when it comes to rants which are baseless. If you
 agree with the poster that there are no good CMS in Python, then it is your
 problem and not an opinion many in this forum are willing to share.


>
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
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From lawgon at thenilgiris.com  Wed Oct  7 06:28:37 2009
From: lawgon at thenilgiris.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:58:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910062118w1e0f05d3v444f677fd9859e27@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910070647.06621.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<41139fcb0910062118w1e0f05d3v444f677fd9859e27@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910070958.37743.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>

On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 9:48:35 am Anand Chitipothu wrote:
> > and spread FUD about plone, but is also a slap in the face for all of us
> > who are engaged in python advocacy.
>
> I think they have done a quite good job of picking a random CMS and
> not wasting their valuable time in implementing a Python software for
> managing conference.
>
> > How do you expect the public at large to take
> > your advocacy of python seriously when your team itself expresses the
> > opinion that python sucks?
>
> They are only advocating Python for scientific community and not for
> web frameworks or CMSs.
> They are only expressing that there is no good CMS in Python. If you
> read it as "Python sucks", then it is your problem.

I am not objecting to their choice of CMS, I am objecting to the blog post - 
which clearly sends the message that 'python sucks'.
-- 
regards
kg
http://lawgon.livejournal.com

From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 09:14:33 2009
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:44:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <200910071005.40521.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <200910071005.40521.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <91bea30d0910070014h759ae7eaw80dcfd76ef682d16@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
>
> I am not objecting to their choice of CMS, I am objecting to the blog post -
> which clearly sends the message that 'python sucks'.

 Python do sucks when it comes to having a CMS. I am yet to find a
decent CMS in python that gives me ease and flexibility of drupal. So
you hardly have any option other than using Drupal even though PHP
sucks.
 Part of this could be due tot he fact that Drupal has matured over a
period of 9 years and has more contributors than any other CMS...

regards
Vivek

-- 
The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!

From aneesh.nl at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 09:44:00 2009
From: aneesh.nl at gmail.com (Aneesh A)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:14:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Pickle multiple objects
Message-ID: <90c47fb0910070044t721eb188o75b6d6a8d730ee88@mail.gmail.com>

Hi friends,
   I am new to python world. I am doing a small python game ( command line
based). The problem is:

I have to store high scores, so i pickled a list . after pickling, in append
mode, load method loads only first object.

How to retrieve multiple objects??

I am attaching a source.

Look the alpha.

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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct  7 09:42:08 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:12:08 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <91bea30d0910070014h759ae7eaw80dcfd76ef682d16@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200910071005.40521.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<91bea30d0910070014h759ae7eaw80dcfd76ef682d16@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910071312.09062.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 12:44:33 pm Vivek Khurana wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> 
wrote:
> > I am not objecting to their choice of CMS, I am objecting to the blog
> > post - which clearly sends the message that 'python sucks'.
>
>  Python do sucks when it comes to having a CMS. I am yet to find a
> decent CMS in python that gives me ease and flexibility of drupal. 

try plone
> So
> you hardly have any option other than using Drupal even though PHP
> sucks.
>  Part of this could be due tot he fact that Drupal has matured over a
> period of 9 years and has more contributors than any other CMS...

if it has matured, how come there are still at least one critical security 
issue per month?
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 09:56:28 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:26:28 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Pickle multiple objects
In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2780910070053j1f338662u254c0f2c87e5f817@mail.gmail.com>
References: <90c47fb0910070044t721eb188o75b6d6a8d730ee88@mail.gmail.com>
	<1c4dc2780910070053j1f338662u254c0f2c87e5f817@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c4dc2780910070056i4f2f240aic6946994bfd48311@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Aneesh A <aneesh.nl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have to store?high scores, so i pickled a list . after pickling, in append
>> mode, load?method?loads only first object.
>> How to?retrieve?multiple objects??
>
> What does this do:
>
> import cPickle as pickle
> list = [ (i, str(i)) for i in range(10) ]
> print list
> pickle.dump(list, file('dump', 'wb'), -1)
> list = pickle.load(file('dump', 'rb'))
> print list
>

Also, in
    store_highscores(highscore)

the subject and verb don't match.  Do you want to
store_highscores(highscores) or store_highscore(highscore)?

Roshan Mathews

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 07:01:10 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:31:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910062201p616d189ene1d6f0af6c346fca@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Kadambari Devarajan
<kadambari.devarajan at gmail.com> wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> The first "Scientific Computing with Python" conference in India
> (http://scipy.in) will be held from December 12th to 17th, 2009 at the
> Technopark in Trivandrum, Kerala, India (http://www.technopark.org/).

5 days worth Sci and Py is a lot. :)

I'll definitely be there. It would be great to meet up with fossee
people again too.

[..]

-- 
~noufal
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From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 09:53:22 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:23:22 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Pickle multiple objects
In-Reply-To: <90c47fb0910070044t721eb188o75b6d6a8d730ee88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <90c47fb0910070044t721eb188o75b6d6a8d730ee88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c4dc2780910070053j1f338662u254c0f2c87e5f817@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Aneesh A <aneesh.nl at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have to store?high scores, so i pickled a list . after pickling, in append
> mode, load?method?loads only first object.
> How to?retrieve?multiple objects??

What does this do:

import cPickle as pickle
list = [ (i, str(i)) for i in range(10) ]
print list
pickle.dump(list, file('dump', 'wb'), -1)
list = pickle.load(file('dump', 'rb'))
print list

Roshan Mathews

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct  7 10:00:44 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:30:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910062201p616d189ene1d6f0af6c346fca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910062201p616d189ene1d6f0af6c346fca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910071330.45227.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 10:31:10 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Kadambari Devarajan
>
> <kadambari.devarajan at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Greetings,
> >
> > The first "Scientific Computing with Python" conference in India
> > (http://scipy.in) will be held from December 12th to 17th, 2009 at the
> > Technopark in Trivandrum, Kerala, India (http://www.technopark.org/).
>
> 5 days worth Sci and Py is a lot. :)
>
> I'll definitely be there. It would be great to meet up with fossee
> people again too.

me too - have some inlaws to visit, and I would love to meet the author of the 
(in)famous blog post ;-)
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 10:37:16 2009
From: sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com (Sidharth Kuruvila)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 14:07:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Pickle multiple objects
In-Reply-To: <90c47fb0910070044t721eb188o75b6d6a8d730ee88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <90c47fb0910070044t721eb188o75b6d6a8d730ee88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ab2ed550910070137i14d194c5t87438e6db12412ec@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I'm guessing you want to do something like this


>>> fo = file("test.pkl", "w")
>>> pickle.dump([1,2,3,4], fo)
>>> pickle.dump([5,6,7,8], fo)
>>> fo.close()
>>> fi = file("test.pkl")
>>> pickle.load(fi)
[1, 2, 3, 4]
>>> pickle.load(fi)
[5, 6, 7, 8]
>>> pickle.load(fi)

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "<pyshell#10>", line 1, in <module>
pickle.load(fi)
File
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/pickle.py",
line 1370, in load
return Unpickler(file).load()
File
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/pickle.py",
line 858, in load
dispatch[key](self)
File
"/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/pickle.py",
line 880, in load_eof
raise EOFError
EOFError

You will need to handle the EOFError in a try catch block.

maybe

def pickledobjects(f):
try:
while True:
yield pickle.load(f)
except EOFError:
pass

objs = list(pickledobjects(file("fi")))

Though, is this isn't a large amount of data, I'd recommend just storing
the data in a single object and writing that to the file.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Aneesh A <aneesh.nl at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi friends,
>    I am new to python world. I am doing a small python game ( command line
> based). The problem is:
>
> I have to store high scores, so i pickled a list . after pickling, in
> append mode, load method loads only first object.
>
> How to retrieve multiple objects??
>
> I am attaching a source.
>
> Look the alpha.
>
>


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From sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 10:40:15 2009
From: sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com (Sidharth Kuruvila)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 14:10:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Pickle multiple objects
In-Reply-To: <90c47fb0910070044t721eb188o75b6d6a8d730ee88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <90c47fb0910070044t721eb188o75b6d6a8d730ee88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ab2ed550910070140g36c089e3y35a974f444af2d22@mail.gmail.com>

Oops formatting got mucked up. Should be

def pickledobjects(f):
    try:
        while True:
            yield pickle.load(f)
    except EOFError:
        pass

objs = list(pickledobjects(file("fi")))
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From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 10:28:17 2009
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:58:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <200910071312.09062.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <200910071005.40521.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<91bea30d0910070014h759ae7eaw80dcfd76ef682d16@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910071312.09062.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <91bea30d0910070128xb4f3a19sfb5be4b56f760556@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 12:44:33 pm Vivek Khurana wrote:
>
> if it has matured, how come there are still at least one critical security
> issue per month?

 Good question... would you point me to a software that doesnt have
security issue ? And the security issue is handled before it starts
affecting the deployed sites, is a sign of maturity itself...

regards
Vivek

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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct  7 11:46:50 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:16:50 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <91bea30d0910070128xb4f3a19sfb5be4b56f760556@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200910071005.40521.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<200910071312.09062.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<91bea30d0910070128xb4f3a19sfb5be4b56f760556@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910071516.50661.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 1:58:17 pm Vivek Khurana wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 12:44:33 pm Vivek Khurana wrote:
> >
> > if it has matured, how come there are still at least one critical
> > security issue per month?
>
>  Good question... would you point me to a software that doesnt have
> security issue ?

django, plone has about one issue every two years - usually minor and not 
affecting anything critical. There is something radically wrong in a software 
that gets one core critical issue a month (even then drupal is better than 
wordpress that churns out such things 2 or 3 times a month).
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 11:56:38 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:26:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <200910071516.50661.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <200910071005.40521.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<200910071312.09062.lawgon@au-kbc.org> 
	<91bea30d0910070128xb4f3a19sfb5be4b56f760556@mail.gmail.com> 
	<200910071516.50661.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910070256r659a50cfu7125d78e8cead599@mail.gmail.com>

> django, plone has about one issue every two years - usually minor and not
> affecting anything critical. There is something radically wrong in a software
> that gets one core critical issue a month (even then drupal is better than
> wordpress that churns out such things 2 or 3 times a month).

Django is not a CMS.

Setting up Plone and customizing is not very easy. I have tried and
gave up. Most Plone sites have a typical plone look and it indicates
that it is not easy to customize that. Try comparing number of themes
available for Drupal and Plone.

Anand

From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 12:02:33 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:32:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910062344m4a80449bx2d8218e5b52ff373@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com> 
	<200910070647.06621.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<41139fcb0910062118w1e0f05d3v444f677fd9859e27@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e0910062128m5537c508sdd1f544230856a72@mail.gmail.com> 
	<8548c5f30910062344m4a80449bx2d8218e5b52ff373@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910070302w6c8d46bfk570282a35d7b0b70@mail.gmail.com>

>> That's how I read it as well but given the large number of web
>> frameworks and CMSs for Python, this decision of theirs is going to
>> come up repeatedly during their efforts. Also, the tone of that page
>> was quite provocative.
>
> ? +1. You got to be a forgiving Solomon to remain so cool after reading that
> ?post and I am not one when it comes to rants which are baseless. If you
> ?agree with the poster that there are no good CMS in Python, then it is your
> ?problem and not an opinion many in this forum are willing to share.

You may not agree to the view that Python doesn't have good CMS
softwares. But saying that there is good CMS in python doesn't mean
"python sucks".

If there are good CMS softwares in Python then why nobody in this
group hasn't named a single one other than Plone?

Anand

From rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 12:09:11 2009
From: rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com (Rajeev J Sebastian)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:39:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910070302w6c8d46bfk570282a35d7b0b70@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910070647.06621.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<41139fcb0910062118w1e0f05d3v444f677fd9859e27@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910062128m5537c508sdd1f544230856a72@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910062344m4a80449bx2d8218e5b52ff373@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910070302w6c8d46bfk570282a35d7b0b70@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79a035420910070309i14cd0b2fhc80414626199c368@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
> You may not agree to the view that Python doesn't have good CMS
> softwares. But saying that there is good CMS in python doesn't mean
> "python sucks".
>
> If there are good CMS softwares in Python then why nobody in this
> group hasn't named a single one other than Plone?

+1

Also, there is a project made by one of my friends - drupy its called
(implementation of drupal in python). they are doing a line-by-line
translation of drupal to python.

Regards
Rajeev J Sebastian

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 12:11:06 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:41:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910070256r659a50cfu7125d78e8cead599@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200910071005.40521.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<200910071312.09062.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<91bea30d0910070128xb4f3a19sfb5be4b56f760556@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910071516.50661.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<41139fcb0910070256r659a50cfu7125d78e8cead599@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910070311s7b3ff462h4b645420187062e4@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:

> > django, plone has about one issue every two years - usually minor and not
> > affecting anything critical. There is something radically wrong in a
> software
> > that gets one core critical issue a month (even then drupal is better
> than
> > wordpress that churns out such things 2 or 3 times a month).
>
> Django is not a CMS.
>

  Technically yes, but practically Django is the closest you can get to
  write CMS-y apps in Python apart from Plone. So though "Django is not
  CMS", "Django has CMS" and in pratical terms, that is good enough to
  say Djangi is like a CMS in common parlance. At least this is what I have
  heard directly from people who build and support Django based websites
  in production, such as Ramdas.

  This is what is said in the Django FAQ also.


>
> Setting up Plone and customizing is not very easy. I have tried and
> gave up. Most Plone sites have a typical plone look and it indicates
> that it is not easy to customize that. Try comparing number of themes
> available for Drupal and Plone.
>

 It did not look like the scipy.in site is customizable.  I registerd as a
user
 there and there was no user customization options. But perhaps you
 just mean site level customization.

 Btw, don't say Plone is not customizable. We use Plone in the EIAO
 project and has create an entirely different product called worksite out
 of it customizing it in every possible fashion. Of course the person behind

 it is a Python wiz, but it is not an impossible task to do as you are
trying
 to make it sound.


>
> Anand
> _______________________________________________
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> BangPypers at python.org
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 12:14:23 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:44:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <79a035420910070309i14cd0b2fhc80414626199c368@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910070647.06621.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<41139fcb0910062118w1e0f05d3v444f677fd9859e27@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910062128m5537c508sdd1f544230856a72@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910062344m4a80449bx2d8218e5b52ff373@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910070302w6c8d46bfk570282a35d7b0b70@mail.gmail.com>
	<79a035420910070309i14cd0b2fhc80414626199c368@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910070314p7bb9af78ybb0760524a4fe120@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian <
rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > You may not agree to the view that Python doesn't have good CMS
> > softwares. But saying that there is good CMS in python doesn't mean
> > "python sucks".
> >
> > If there are good CMS softwares in Python then why nobody in this
> > group hasn't named a single one other than Plone?
>
> +1
>
> Also, there is a project made by one of my friends - drupy its called
> (implementation of drupal in python). they are doing a line-by-line
> translation of drupal to python.
>

  -1. Not a great way to build software. I wonder what they will
  end up with. You might end up with some-thing half-assed that
  is neither Drupal nor Python.

 Instead of doing line by line, do it at module level and with a proper
 top down design. That way you would perhaps avoid some design
 flaws in the original software.


>
> Regards
> Rajeev J Sebastian
> _______________________________________________
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> BangPypers at python.org
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From rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 12:18:13 2009
From: rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com (Rajeev J Sebastian)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:48:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910070314p7bb9af78ybb0760524a4fe120@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910070647.06621.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<41139fcb0910062118w1e0f05d3v444f677fd9859e27@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910062128m5537c508sdd1f544230856a72@mail.gmail.com>
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	<41139fcb0910070302w6c8d46bfk570282a35d7b0b70@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> ? -1. Not a great way to build software. I wonder what they will
> ? end up with. You might end up with some-thing half-assed that
> ? is neither Drupal nor Python.
>
> ?Instead of doing line by line, do it at module level and with a proper
> ?top down design. That way you would perhaps avoid some design
> ?flaws in the original software.

LOL ... thats exactly what I told him :)

Regards
Rajeev J Sebastian

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct  7 12:17:16 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:47:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910070256r659a50cfu7125d78e8cead599@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200910071005.40521.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<200910071516.50661.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<41139fcb0910070256r659a50cfu7125d78e8cead599@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910071547.16698.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 3:26:38 pm Anand Chitipothu wrote:
> > django, plone has about one issue every two years - usually minor and not
> > affecting anything critical. There is something radically wrong in a
> > software that gets one core critical issue a month (even then drupal is
> > better than wordpress that churns out such things 2 or 3 times a month).
>
> Django is not a CMS.

it is software - the OP had asked for a software that does not have security 
issues. django is one such.
>
> Setting up Plone and customizing is not very easy. I have tried and
> gave up.

me too - but what is needed here is out-of-the-box use, as Pradeep pointed 
out, the default plone is all they need. No need for any customising.

> Most Plone sites have a typical plone look and it indicates
> that it is not easy to customize that. Try comparing number of themes
> available for Drupal and Plone.

well the singapore guys seem to have done a good job with the default plone. 
After all this is a website for an organisation, not a fashion competition.

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct  7 12:18:07 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:48:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910070302w6c8d46bfk570282a35d7b0b70@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910062344m4a80449bx2d8218e5b52ff373@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910070302w6c8d46bfk570282a35d7b0b70@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 3:32:33 pm Anand Chitipothu wrote:
> >   +1. You got to be a forgiving Solomon to remain so cool after reading
> > that post and I am not one when it comes to rants which are baseless. If
> > you agree with the poster that there are no good CMS in Python, then it
> > is your problem and not an opinion many in this forum are willing to
> > share.
>
> You may not agree to the view that Python doesn't have good CMS
> softwares. But saying that there is good CMS in python doesn't mean
> "python sucks".
>
> If there are good CMS softwares in Python then why nobody in this
> group hasn't named a single one other than Plone?

because plone is a killer app and has killed all the other python CMS's
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 12:24:30 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:54:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910070311s7b3ff462h4b645420187062e4@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> > django, plone has about one issue every two years - usually minor and
>> > not
>> > affecting anything critical. There is something radically wrong in a
>> > software
>> > that gets one core critical issue a month (even then drupal is better
>> > than
>> > wordpress that churns out such things 2 or 3 times a month).
>>
>> Django is not a CMS.
>
> ? Technically yes, but practically Django is the closest you can get to
> ? write CMS-y apps in Python apart from Plone. So though "Django is not
> ? CMS", "Django has CMS" and in pratical terms, that is good enough to
> ? say Djangi is like a CMS in common parlance. At least this is what I have
> ? heard directly from people who build and support Django based websites
> ? in production, such as Ramdas.
>
> ? This is what is said in the Django FAQ also.

Be practical. You are asking to write a Django application and start
customizing it by writing code and take the headache of maintaining
it?

>> Setting up Plone and customizing is not very easy. I have tried and
>> gave up. Most Plone sites have a typical plone look and it indicates
>> that it is not easy to customize that. Try comparing number of themes
>> available for Drupal and Plone.
>
> ?It did not look like the scipy.in site is customizable.? I registerd as a
> user
> ?there and there was no user customization options. But perhaps you
> ?just mean site level customization.

I'm taking about customizing appearance.

> ?Btw, don't say Plone is not customizable. We use Plone in the EIAO
> ?project and has create an entirely different product called worksite out
> ?of it customizing it in every possible fashion. Of course the person behind
> ?it is a Python wiz, but it is not an impossible task to do as you are
> trying
> ?to make it sound.

The person behind Plone might be a wiz and it might be possible to
build super-powerful websites using Plone. But Drupal beats Plone when
it comes to setting up simple websites like a conference website and
customizing look and feel.

>From the appearance I can immediately say that http://www.eiao.net/ is
running on Plone. It has a typical Plone look. I couldn't say that
scipy.in is running on Drupal just from it look and feel.

Btw, some part or whole of scipy.in is running on Django.

http://scipy.in/scope

Anand

From rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 12:25:31 2009
From: rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com (Rajeev J Sebastian)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:55:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <200910071548.07936.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com>
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	<200910071548.07936.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 3:32:33 pm Anand Chitipothu wrote:
>> > ? +1. You got to be a forgiving Solomon to remain so cool after reading
>> > that post and I am not one when it comes to rants which are baseless. If
>> > you agree with the poster that there are no good CMS in Python, then it
>> > is your problem and not an opinion many in this forum are willing to
>> > share.
>>
>> You may not agree to the view that Python doesn't have good CMS
>> softwares. But saying that there is good CMS in python doesn't mean
>> "python sucks".
>>
>> If there are good CMS softwares in Python then why nobody in this
>> group hasn't named a single one other than Plone?
>
> because plone is a killer app and has killed all the other python CMS's

I think its because its just so damn easy to roll-your-own that it
doesnt matter.

I'm sure many people on this list have rolled their own blogs, etc
perhaps combining some existing apps for the purpose (My blog
http://www.rajeevsebastian.com uses lifeflow with some custom mods and
a custom skin).

Regards
Rajeev J Sebastian

From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 12:27:14 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:57:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <200910071548.07936.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
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	<8548c5f30910062344m4a80449bx2d8218e5b52ff373@mail.gmail.com> 
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	<200910071548.07936.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 3:32:33 pm Anand Chitipothu wrote:
>> > ? +1. You got to be a forgiving Solomon to remain so cool after reading
>> > that post and I am not one when it comes to rants which are baseless. If
>> > you agree with the poster that there are no good CMS in Python, then it
>> > is your problem and not an opinion many in this forum are willing to
>> > share.
>>
>> You may not agree to the view that Python doesn't have good CMS
>> softwares. But saying that there is good CMS in python doesn't mean
>> "python sucks".
>>
>> If there are good CMS softwares in Python then why nobody in this
>> group hasn't named a single one other than Plone?
>
> because plone is a killer app and has killed all the other python CMS's

So you agreed to my point.

1. Plone is difficult to customize
2. There are no good CMS softwares written in Python other than Plone

From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 12:30:59 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:00:59 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <79a035420910070325s2f05e726hedca0cf01f4f8c83@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> I think its because its just so damn easy to roll-your-own that it
> doesnt matter.
>
> I'm sure many people on this list have rolled their own blogs, etc
> perhaps combining some existing apps for the purpose (My blog
> http://www.rajeevsebastian.com uses lifeflow with some custom mods and
> a custom skin).

Possible. But writing a software requires time and you need to maintain it.

I'm not arguing that Python is not good language for writing a CMS
software. I'm just stating the fact that there are no good CMS
softwares written in Python.

Anand

From rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 12:40:08 2009
From: rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com (Rajeev J Sebastian)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:10:08 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910070330o694b9372v1e0107570328f40a@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think its because its just so damn easy to roll-your-own that it
>> doesnt matter.
>>
>> I'm sure many people on this list have rolled their own blogs, etc
>> perhaps combining some existing apps for the purpose (My blog
>> http://www.rajeevsebastian.com uses lifeflow with some custom mods and
>> a custom skin).
>
> Possible. But writing a software requires time and you need to maintain it.
>
> I'm not arguing that Python is not good language for writing a CMS
> software. I'm just stating the fact that there are no good CMS
> softwares written in Python.

I agree with you, rolling your own can't be a general practice.

I was responding to the comment about Plone being a "killer"
application. Last I looked at it, it was so comprehensive and
mind-boggling that, I think it killed *me* ;)

Regards
Rajeev J Sebastian

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 12:40:11 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:10:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910070324i334bb661wf221abe40ee6d1fc@mail.gmail.com>
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	<200910071516.50661.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<41139fcb0910070256r659a50cfu7125d78e8cead599@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> >   This is what is said in the Django FAQ also.
>
> Be practical. You are asking to write a Django application and start
> customizing it by writing code and take the headache of maintaining
> it?
>

  It is super-easy to write CMS-y applications in Django. I have written
  one for my personal use (for monitoring investments) at home with my
  limited knowledge of Django.

 I can tell you I enjoyed it. The whole admin module of Django makes
  maintainence easy.


>
> >> Setting up Plone and customizing is not very easy. I have tried and
> >> gave up. Most Plone sites have a typical plone look and it indicates
> >> that it is not easy to customize that. Try comparing number of themes
> >> available for Drupal and Plone.
> >
> >  It did not look like the scipy.in site is customizable.  I registerd as
> a
> > user
> >  there and there was no user customization options. But perhaps you
> >  just mean site level customization.
>
> I'm taking about customizing appearance.
>
>   Hmmm.... they are running a conf website, aren't they ?
  Well, I dont want to argue too much but a CMS system is not all
  about customizing appearance and theming.


>
> The person behind Plone might be a wiz and it might be possible to
> build super-powerful websites using Plone. But Drupal beats Plone when
> it comes to setting up simple websites like a conference website and
> customizing look and feel.
>
> >From the appearance I can immediately say that http://www.eiao.net/ is
> running on Plone. It has a typical Plone look. I couldn't say that
> scipy.in is running on Drupal just from it look and feel.
>

  There is another reason why they chose Plone which you are not
  aware of and which many people miss when building websites. Plone
  is one CMS which is most developer friendly when building accessible
  websites, which the disabled and blind want to access. Since this project
  is all about accessibility, they chose it. The developer being a Python
wiz
  helped, but that is not the main reason, nor is any special love for
Python.

  The whole website is keyboard navigable and highly accessible.
  Also try http://ws.eiao.net/ for a slightly different look and feel,
though
  I agree it is still "Plone"-ish.


>
> Btw, some part or whole of scipy.in is running on Django.
>
> http://scipy.in/scope
>

 EOF. Let them run whatever they feel like. I am out of this conversation.



>
> Anand
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From madhusudancs at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 12:40:23 2009
From: madhusudancs at gmail.com (Madhusudan C.S)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:10:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
Message-ID: <ac09130910070340v1671fe74wf7350a4afb284577@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> > django, plone has about one issue every two years - usually minor and
> >> > not
> >> > affecting anything critical. There is something radically wrong in a
> >> > software
> >> > that gets one core critical issue a month (even then drupal is better
> >> > than
> >> > wordpress that churns out such things 2 or 3 times a month).
> >>
> >> Django is not a CMS.
> >
> > ? Technically yes, but practically Django is the closest you can get to
> > ? write CMS-y apps in Python apart from Plone. So though "Django is not
> > ? CMS", "Django has CMS" and in pratical terms, that is good enough to
> > ? say Djangi is like a CMS in common parlance. At least this is what I
> have
> > ? heard directly from people who build and support Django based websites
> > ? in production, such as Ramdas.
> >
> > ? This is what is said in the Django FAQ also.
>
> Be practical. You are asking to write a Django application and start
> customizing it by writing code and take the headache of maintaining
> it?
>
> >> Setting up Plone and customizing is not very easy. I have tried and
> >> gave up. Most Plone sites have a typical plone look and it indicates
> >> that it is not easy to customize that. Try comparing number of themes
> >> available for Drupal and Plone.
> >
> > ?It did not look like the scipy.in site is customizable.? I registerd as
> a
> > user
> > ?there and there was no user customization options. But perhaps you
> > ?just mean site level customization.
>
> I'm taking about customizing appearance.
>
> > ?Btw, don't say Plone is not customizable. We use Plone in the EIAO
> > ?project and has create an entirely different product called worksite out
> > ?of it customizing it in every possible fashion. Of course the person
> behind
> > ?it is a Python wiz, but it is not an impossible task to do as you are
> > trying
> > ?to make it sound.
>
> The person behind Plone might be a wiz and it might be possible to
> build super-powerful websites using Plone. But Drupal beats Plone when
> it comes to setting up simple websites like a conference website and
> customizing look and feel.
>
> >From the appearance I can immediately say that http://www.eiao.net/ is
> running on Plone. It has a typical Plone look. I couldn't say that
> scipy.in is running on Drupal just from it look and feel.
>
> Btw, some part or whole of scipy.in is running on Django.
>
> http://scipy.in/scope
>

Thanks for clarifying. We(The Python group of the FOSSEE team) have been
looking at this thread and the thread on Scipy India 2009 - SciPy.in.

I don't want to make any comments on the exchanges in the threads.

This is a blog post from one of the senior persons in the team on the
subject:  http://fossee.in/blog/drupal



-- 
Thanks and regards,
 Madhusudan.C.S

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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct  7 12:39:05 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:09:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
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On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 3:57:14 pm Anand Chitipothu wrote:
> > because plone is a killer app and has killed all the other python CMS's
>
> So you agreed to my point.
>
> 1. Plone is difficult to customize

customise as in maybe interfacing it with an RDBMS - otherwise it is dead easy 
to add new apps - and there are zillions of them.

> 2. There are no good CMS softwares written in Python other than Plone

yes, as far as I know. Incidentally this is not a mere academic discussion for 
me. I am engaged in a major war in Chennai LUG about what kind of website is 
needed. One side wants drupal, the other side says that drupal has too much 
bloat and too many unwanted features and it is better to have a simple site 
with minimal features. So we have two sites as demos and the users have to 
choose between them. One in drupal. The other in django. Both with minimal 
features. The problem arose because the old site was in drupal and it got 
cracked and all the old data was lost. you can see the two sites at 

http://demo.ilugc.org.in
and
http://demo.ilugc.in

this unfortunate blog post would have tilted a lot of votes against me - 
fortunately the attention span of the average php/drupal phanbhoy is minimal 
and no one noticed it.

the difference between the two sites is that the django site has only what is 
seen - the other one has a zillion features, all of them disabled. I leave it 
to you to guess which is which.

So why only one python CMS? Mainly because most developers (as opposed to 
weekend warriors) can so easily make sites *precisely* suited to the needs in 
python, that no one realy needs a CMS with a million unused features.

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct  7 12:41:58 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:11:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910070330o694b9372v1e0107570328f40a@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 4:00:59 pm Anand Chitipothu wrote:
> > I'm sure many people on this list have rolled their own blogs, etc
> > perhaps combining some existing apps for the purpose (My blog
> > http://www.rajeevsebastian.com uses lifeflow with some custom mods and
> > a custom skin).
>
> Possible. But writing a software requires time and you need to maintain it.

how much time? I wrote and deployed the ilugc.org.in site in two hours and 
deployed it in 10 minutes and I can happily sleep at night because I know 
there will be no need for security patches and maintainence. The biggest job 
is the weekly svn up in the django source.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 12:57:36 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:27:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <200910071611.58830.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com> 
	<79a035420910070325s2f05e726hedca0cf01f4f8c83@mail.gmail.com> 
	<41139fcb0910070330o694b9372v1e0107570328f40a@mail.gmail.com> 
	<200910071611.58830.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
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>>
>> Possible. But writing a software requires time and you need to maintain it.
>
> how much time? I wrote and deployed the ilugc.org.in site in two hours and
> deployed it in 10 minutes and I can happily sleep at night because I know
> there will be no need for security patches and maintainence. The biggest job
> is the weekly svn up in the django source.

It took a month for in.pycon.org website to come up. What about that?

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct  7 12:59:55 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:29:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910070357s2ffdd74fl30543ddc37518f26@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910071611.58830.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<41139fcb0910070357s2ffdd74fl30543ddc37518f26@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910071629.55284.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 4:27:36 pm Anand Chitipothu wrote:
> >> Possible. But writing a software requires time and you need to maintain
> >> it.
> >
> > how much time? I wrote and deployed the ilugc.org.in site in two hours
> > and deployed it in 10 minutes and I can happily sleep at night because I
> > know there will be no need for security patches and maintainence. The
> > biggest job is the weekly svn up in the django source.
>
> It took a month for in.pycon.org website to come up. What about that?

a. it was slightly more complex than a simple cms
b. it did not take a month, the approval process took a month - the site was 
up in a day or two at the most.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 13:06:36 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:36:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <ac09130910070340v1671fe74wf7350a4afb284577@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ac09130910070340v1671fe74wf7350a4afb284577@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Madhusudan C.S <madhusudancs at gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> Thanks for clarifying. We(The Python group of the FOSSEE team) have been
> looking at this thread and the thread on Scipy India 2009 - SciPy.in.
>
> I don't want to make any comments on the exchanges in the threads.
>
> This is a blog post from one of the senior persons in the team on the
> subject:  http://fossee.in/blog/drupal
>

  This is a much more sensible post that then "Why Drupal" one, the
   tone of which started the whole conversation.

   And forums like these exist for enthusiasts to indulge in lively,
no-holds-barred
   and quite often very critical discussions.  The rights are more than
   "inalienable", they are fundamental.


>
>
> --
> Thanks and regards,
>  Madhusudan.C.S
>
> FOSSEE Team
>
>
>


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--Anand
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From pasokan at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 13:14:10 2009
From: pasokan at gmail.com (Asokan Pichai)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:44:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910070406o78a854a5w78327acf5f5d0f71@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear Anand,

It is as much your assumption that KG's one line comment referred to
scipy.in that started this. And the first page of fossee.in explains
that python is only one of the components of the project.

All the comments about the appropriateness of drupal for a python
conference site are misguided--because the conference site __is__ in
django.

And equally inappropriate are the comments along the lines of 'for
propagating python how can you use drupal?' because the site is for
more than python and that is explained in the first page.

Now I am as much a fan of the no-holds barred discussions, but I would
like draw the line at comments that are not informed about the subject
matter at hand

Asokan Pichai

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Madhusudan C.S <madhusudancs at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thanks for clarifying. We(The Python group of the FOSSEE team) have been
>> looking at this thread and the thread on Scipy India 2009 - SciPy.in.
>>
>> I don't want to make any comments on the exchanges in the threads.
>>
>> This is a blog post from one of the senior persons in the team on the
>> subject:? http://fossee.in/blog/drupal
>
> ? This is a much more sensible post that then "Why Drupal" one, the
> ?? tone of which started the whole conversation.
>
> ?? And forums like these exist for enthusiasts to indulge in lively,
> no-holds-barred
> ?? and quite often very critical discussions.? The rights are more than
> ?? "inalienable", they are fundamental.
>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks and regards,
>> ?Madhusudan.C.S
>>
>> FOSSEE Team
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --Anand
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>



-- 
Asokan Pichai
*-------------------*
We will find a way. Or, make one. (Hannibal)

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct  7 13:13:31 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:43:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910070406o78a854a5w78327acf5f5d0f71@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ac09130910070340v1671fe74wf7350a4afb284577@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 4:36:36 pm Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> <madhusudancs at gmail.com>wrote:
> > Thanks for clarifying. We(The Python group of the FOSSEE team) have been
> > looking at this thread and the thread on Scipy India 2009 - SciPy.in.
> >
> > I don't want to make any comments on the exchanges in the threads.
> >
> > This is a blog post from one of the senior persons in the team on the
> > subject:  http://fossee.in/blog/drupal
>
>   This is a much more sensible post that then "Why Drupal" one, the
>    tone of which started the whole conversation.
>
>    And forums like these exist for enthusiasts to indulge in lively,
> no-holds-barred
>    and quite often very critical discussions.  The rights are more than
>    "inalienable", they are fundamental.

yes - and one can appreciate the fossee people for permitting even a junior 
member to sound off even though they would not necessarily agree with him. Even 
in a liberal place like NRC-FOSS I would have had to go to bat on behalf of a 
junior member who put his foot in his mouth like this - with no guarantee that 
I would not be bowled first ball ;-)
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct  7 13:21:54 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:51:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <5de036dc0910070414r58faa3d1wd0ccdf2b17959c5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ac09130910070340v1671fe74wf7350a4afb284577@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910070406o78a854a5w78327acf5f5d0f71@mail.gmail.com>
	<5de036dc0910070414r58faa3d1wd0ccdf2b17959c5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910071651.54423.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 4:44:10 pm Asokan Pichai wrote:
> It is as much your assumption that KG's one line comment referred to
> scipy.in that started this. And the first page of fossee.in explains
> that python is only one of the components of the project.

my objection was not to the use of drupal - after all one does not get 
passionate over the use of a tool - if it works for the person who has to use 
it, no problem. My objection was to the blog post 'whydrupal?'. The whole tone 
and attitude seriously upset me.
>
> All the comments about the appropriateness of drupal for a python
> conference site are misguided--because the conference site __is__ in
> django.

so what prevents you from mentioning it in the footer? surely it is a good 
thing to acknowledge the software used? btw, I registered at the site, but am 
unable to log in (possibly log in is disabled?)
>
> And equally inappropriate are the comments along the lines of 'for
> propagating python how can you use drupal?' because the site is for
> more than python and that is explained in the first page.

as far as I am concerned, the only thing that I object to is the blog post. 
Yes, freedom of expression is cool, but certainly not in an official website 
(that *is* the official website of fossee is it not?). It is generally not 
advisable to permit people to put up whatever they want on an official website 
(unless you plan to take responsibility for it).

>
> Now I am as much a fan of the no-holds barred discussions, but I would
> like draw the line at comments that are not informed about the subject
> matter at hand

the comments were well informed of all the information available.

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct  7 13:25:32 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:55:32 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <5de036dc0910070414r58faa3d1wd0ccdf2b17959c5f@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 4:44:10 pm Asokan Pichai wrote:
> All the comments about the appropriateness of drupal for a python
> conference site are misguided--because the conference site __is__ in
> django.

<shameless plug>
incidentally there is a readymade locally available conference management 
software made in django, available free of cost.
</shameless plug>
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From pasokan at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 13:44:55 2009
From: pasokan at gmail.com (Asokan Pichai)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 17:14:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Re: [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec.
	2009
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> ?? and quite often very critical discussions.? The rights are more than
> ?? "inalienable", they are fundamental.
>

inalienable:
unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor

Does not seem to be  lesser than Fundamental to me.

-- 
Asokan Pichai
*-------------------*
We will find a way. Or, make one. (Hannibal)

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 14:33:36 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 18:03:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Re: [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in
	Dec. 2009
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References: <ac09130910070340v1671fe74wf7350a4afb284577@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Asokan Pichai <pasokan at gmail.com> wrote:

> >    and quite often very critical discussions.  The rights are more than
> >    "inalienable", they are fundamental.
> >
>
> inalienable:
> unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor
>
> Does not seem to be  lesser than Fundamental to me.
>

    Consider it a sarcastic reply to the thinly veiled sarcasm in the
    2nd line of his post. In fact, inalienable rights are more "fundamental"
    than fundamental rights. But that is out of context w.r.t this thread.
    You are welcome to a direct discussion with me.


>
> --
> Asokan Pichai
> *-------------------*
> We will find a way. Or, make one. (Hannibal)
> _______________________________________________
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From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 12:30:58 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:00:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> Btw, some part or whole of scipy.in is running on Django.
[..]

Scipy.in is in django
fossee.in is drupal

Details here http://fossee.in/blog/Drupal
-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 13:50:41 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 17:20:41 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Asokan Pichai <pasokan at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> And equally inappropriate are the comments along the lines of 'for
> propagating python how can you use drupal?' because the site is for
> more than python and that is explained in the first page.
[..]

Like I said earlier, selection of a non python thing for a conference
that's atleast partially Python related coupled with the tone of the
"whydrupal" page is going to steer a lot of heated conversations your
way. Not that there's anything wrong with doing that (the right tool
for the job etc.) but it's a conversation piece this is going to be
the first of many such 'discussions' you're going to witness. :)


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 06:50:15 2009
From: bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com (bhaskar jain)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:20:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd:  Nested try-catch
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My mails seem not to go :(

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From: bhaskar jain <bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Nested try-catch
To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>



Anand, nice find..

But i read this in python docs -

"  Warning
Assigning the traceback return value to a local variable in a function that
is handling an exception will cause a circular reference. This will prevent
anything referenced by a local variable in the same function or by the
traceback from being garbage collected. Since most functions don?t need
access to the traceback, the best solution is to use something like exctype,
value = sys.exc_info()[:2] to extract only the exception type and value. If
you do need the traceback, make sure to delete it after use (best done with
a try ... finally statement) or to call exc_info() in a function that does
not itself handle an exception."


--Bhaskar.



On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:47 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> [..]
> >
> > Has anybody else faced similar situation? Any better solutions?
>
> Can't say I've come across it. However, it looks like (and was
> classified as) a bug which is fixed. :)
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 15:13:17 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 18:43:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910070450x50040929qab57761e744dc0d9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ac09130910070340v1671fe74wf7350a4afb284577@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Asokan Pichai <pasokan at gmail.com> wrote:
> [..]
> > And equally inappropriate are the comments along the lines of 'for
> > propagating python how can you use drupal?' because the site is for
> > more than python and that is explained in the first page.
> [..]
>
> Like I said earlier, selection of a non python thing for a conference
> that's atleast partially Python related coupled with the tone of the
> "whydrupal" page is going to steer a lot of heated conversations your
> way. Not that there's anything wrong with doing that (the right tool
> for the job etc.)
>

 Couldn't help add this tailpiece... :->

  You were perhaps technically correct in your decision, but politically
incorrect...
  All the best to the conference!



>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
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From kadambari.devarajan at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 10:49:13 2009
From: kadambari.devarajan at gmail.com (Kadambari Devarajan)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 14:19:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] SciPy India 2009 - SciPy.in
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910052043q1fac4779occfed796490bcb29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a5031abc0910031900l23bc152bj9cf77ca6af91a94e@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi All,

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>  Yes, it surely is more Sci than Py I would say.  Still, it would be a good
>  conf for engineers and mathematicians and guys who need more
>  insights into numerical and mathematical problem solving.
>
>
Prabhu Ramachandran is writing a blog post on Python and Scientfic
Computing. I will send the link once it is up on the site.

Cheers,
Kadambari.

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From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 12:47:17 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:17:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <ac09130910070340v1671fe74wf7350a4afb284577@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ac09130910070340v1671fe74wf7350a4afb284577@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910070347k673d44c5we47c0b89dbbb3b73@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Madhusudan C.S <madhusudancs at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> Thanks for clarifying. We(The Python group of the FOSSEE team) have been
> looking at this thread and the thread on Scipy India 2009 - SciPy.in.
>
> I don't want to make any comments on the exchanges in the threads.
>
> This is a blog post from one of the senior persons in the team on the
> subject:? http://fossee.in/blog/drupal
[..]

Your focus on your actual project rather than on a (rather passionate
as far as I can tell) discussion about selection of CMSs speaks highly
of your commitment.  All the best with the conference. :)


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 12:08:25 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:38:25 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <200910071516.50661.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <200910071005.40521.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<200910071312.09062.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<91bea30d0910070128xb4f3a19sfb5be4b56f760556@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910071516.50661.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
[..]
> django, plone has about one issue every two years - usually minor and not
> affecting anything critical. There is something radically wrong in a software
> that gets one core critical issue a month (even then drupal is better than
> wordpress that churns out such things 2 or 3 times a month).[..]

One thing to consider is that the number of deployed installations of
PHP based CMSs like Drupal and Wordpress is much MUCH higher than the
Python based ones like Plone. That alone will skew the numbers quite a
bit.

There are cases of course where the software itself was not designed
with security in mind perhaps for an earlier era (eg. Sendmail) where
the number of exploits is quite high but I don't think Drupal falls
into this category.

Your comment however begs the question - do you feel that one of the
reasons why Drupal is 'insecure' because it's coded in PHP?


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 09:50:07 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:20:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <91bea30d0910070014h759ae7eaw80dcfd76ef682d16@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200910071005.40521.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<91bea30d0910070014h759ae7eaw80dcfd76ef682d16@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910070050p1b78b89bl36e583c7c22aaff5@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Vivek Khurana <hiddenharmony at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
>>
>> I am not objecting to their choice of CMS, I am objecting to the blog post -
>> which clearly sends the message that 'python sucks'.
>
> ?Python do sucks when it comes to having a CMS. I am yet to find a
> decent CMS in python that gives me ease and flexibility of drupal. So
> you hardly have any option other than using Drupal even though PHP
> sucks.
> ?Part of this could be due tot he fact that Drupal has matured over a
> period of 9 years and has more contributors than any other CMS...

I think so. PHP apps have had a headstart when it comes to the web.
Especially boilerplate applications like forums, bulletin boards,
CMSs etc. Many of the heavy duty sites out there use PHP as well (eg.
Wikipedia).

Wordpress for example has a really nasty security record but it's
probably one of the most widely used CMS/blogging apps out there. It
takes about a minute to install and set up and has a huge community
with themes, plugins etc which makes it quite compelling even if
you're a python person.

I asked around about this when I was planning on moving away from WP
for my own blog and most of the people on the python channel were of
the opinion that people use Python blogging platforms simply because
they are in *python* rather than for any other technical reasons and
that was disheartening. Python does work a lot better when you're
developing a new app from scratch though IMHO and in a while, if
people fix the deployment hassles, I think it can make headway.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 12:14:07 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:44:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910070302w6c8d46bfk570282a35d7b0b70@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910070647.06621.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<41139fcb0910062118w1e0f05d3v444f677fd9859e27@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910062128m5537c508sdd1f544230856a72@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910062344m4a80449bx2d8218e5b52ff373@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910070302w6c8d46bfk570282a35d7b0b70@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> If there are good CMS softwares in Python then why nobody in this
> group hasn't named a single one other than Plone?
[..]

Perhaps not a general drupal like CMS but infogami which you work on
is surely an option?

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 19:03:33 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 22:33:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910070314n31f197aex355cdc1e76874bb4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com> 
	<200910070647.06621.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<41139fcb0910062118w1e0f05d3v444f677fd9859e27@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e0910062128m5537c508sdd1f544230856a72@mail.gmail.com> 
	<8548c5f30910062344m4a80449bx2d8218e5b52ff373@mail.gmail.com> 
	<41139fcb0910070302w6c8d46bfk570282a35d7b0b70@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e0910070314n31f197aex355cdc1e76874bb4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910071003y7f29f80dr5c7171e0128aba14@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
> [..]
>> If there are good CMS softwares in Python then why nobody in this
>> group hasn't named a single one other than Plone?
> [..]
>
> Perhaps not a general drupal like CMS but infogami which you work on
> is surely an option?

It is not production ready.

Anand

From pradeep at btbytes.com  Wed Oct  7 20:37:59 2009
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 14:37:59 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910071003y7f29f80dr5c7171e0128aba14@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910070647.06621.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<41139fcb0910062118w1e0f05d3v444f677fd9859e27@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910062128m5537c508sdd1f544230856a72@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910062344m4a80449bx2d8218e5b52ff373@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910070302w6c8d46bfk570282a35d7b0b70@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910070314n31f197aex355cdc1e76874bb4@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910071003y7f29f80dr5c7171e0128aba14@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3e3294b70910071137s380996cek2ab7435f12bb8b91@mail.gmail.com>

> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
> [..]
>> If there are good CMS softwares in Python then why nobody in this
>> group hasn't named a single one other than Plone?
> [..]

There is Skeletonz http://orangoo.com/skeletonz/

Which is pretty "user friendly" from the demos I see.

Some of the sites built using are :
http://aspuru.unix.fas.harvard.edu/About/ and http://birc.au.dk/
which are pretty good looking sites and they are also similar to the
demography of the site maintainers of FOSEE.

Skeletonz's developer is amix.dk who is a well known python dev (Plurk
project etc.,)

And of course there is Zine whose administrative interface is closely
modeled after wordpress to help people
transition over from WP.

Our own Jace uses it to power his blog - http://jace.zaiki.in
The source for some of his improvements  can be found here :
http://bitbucket.org/jace

Zine is also very easy to template because it uses JInja (a templating
language inspired by Django's templating).

MoinMoin is a good candidate too, if you know how to create new
templates and hide the "wiki" artefacts like navigation elements.

There are more, let me know what are the parameters you are using to
choose your own ;)

+PG

From pradeep at btbytes.com  Wed Oct  7 20:53:15 2009
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 14:53:15 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <3e3294b70910071137s380996cek2ab7435f12bb8b91@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910070647.06621.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<41139fcb0910062118w1e0f05d3v444f677fd9859e27@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910062128m5537c508sdd1f544230856a72@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910062344m4a80449bx2d8218e5b52ff373@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910070302w6c8d46bfk570282a35d7b0b70@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910070314n31f197aex355cdc1e76874bb4@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910071003y7f29f80dr5c7171e0128aba14@mail.gmail.com>
	<3e3294b70910071137s380996cek2ab7435f12bb8b91@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3e3294b70910071153y7a5632fdl4fc3852795a749ff@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Pradeep Gowda <pradeep at btbytes.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
>> [..]
>>> If there are good CMS softwares in Python then why nobody in this
>>> group hasn't named a single one other than Plone?
>> [..]
>
> There is Skeletonz http://orangoo.com/skeletonz/
>
> Which is pretty "user friendly" from the demos I see.
>
> Some of the sites built using are :
> http://aspuru.unix.fas.harvard.edu/About/ and http://birc.au.dk/
> which are pretty good looking sites and they are also similar to the
> demography of the site maintainers of FOSEE.
>
> Skeletonz's developer is amix.dk who is a well known python dev (Plurk
> project etc.,)
>
> And of course there is Zine whose administrative interface is closely
> modeled after wordpress to help people
> transition over from WP.
>
> Our own Jace uses it to power his blog - http://jace.zaiki.in
> The source for some of his improvements ?can be found here :
> http://bitbucket.org/jace
>
> Zine is also very easy to template because it uses JInja (a templating
> language inspired by Django's templating).
>
> MoinMoin is a good candidate too, if you know how to create new
> templates and hide the "wiki" artefacts like navigation elements.
>
> There are more, let me know what are the parameters you are using to
> choose your own ;)

I'm replying to my own post here.. But wanted to add:

Zine's website is : http://zine.pocoo.org
Zine is not *just* a blogging software.
Zine can be configured to have a "fixed" home page and sections and of
course a blog/news.
The advantage of using Zine is, it is a WSGI aware server which can be
wired together with other software including
those built using django/pylons/zope etc.,

Zine is primarily developed by Armin Ronacher who has also brought to
us Pygments (syntax highlighting),
Sphinx (the official python documentation framework), so zine has some
serious muscles behind it.

+PG

From kadambari.devarajan at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 10:40:47 2009
From: kadambari.devarajan at gmail.com (Kadambari Devarajan)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 14:10:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <200910070647.06621.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910070647.06621.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <ad668e4f0910070140ud5f4c21lfa954f0242c32bbb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 6:47 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:

> cool - I wish your conference all the best,
>

Thank you.


> but I have a serious beef. I would suggest that before spreading python
> around the world, you could take a fewdays off and spread python around your
> team. The post:
>  http://fossee.in/whydrupal
>

Kindly do check http://fossee.in/blog/Drupal. I will be forwarding this to
Asokan Pichai who will be sending a more detailed reply.

Cheers,
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Oct  8 01:31:13 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 05:01:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910070308p39f723f4h97c1ecf4bdc80668@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200910071005.40521.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<200910071516.50661.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<9963e56e0910070308p39f723f4h97c1ecf4bdc80668@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910080501.13455.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 3:38:25 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>
> wrote: [..]
>
> > django, plone has about one issue every two years - usually minor and not
> > affecting anything critical. There is something radically wrong in a
> > software that gets one core critical issue a month (even then drupal is
> > better than wordpress that churns out such things 2 or 3 times a
> > month).[..]
>
> One thing to consider is that the number of deployed installations of
> PHP based CMSs like Drupal and Wordpress is much MUCH higher than the
> Python based ones like Plone. That alone will skew the numbers quite a
> bit.
>
> There are cases of course where the software itself was not designed
> with security in mind perhaps for an earlier era (eg. Sendmail) where
> the number of exploits is quite high but I don't think Drupal falls
> into this category.
>
> Your comment however begs the question - do you feel that one of the
> reasons why Drupal is 'insecure' because it's coded in PHP?

frankly I have no idea - apart from the empirical observation that most PHP 
apps have security pages/mailing lists and most python apps do not have them.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From abpillai at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 06:48:20 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 10:18:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <200910080501.13455.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <200910071005.40521.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<200910071516.50661.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<9963e56e0910070308p39f723f4h97c1ecf4bdc80668@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910080501.13455.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910072148i6f7c3108vdb4993a0c147c251@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:01 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:

> On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 3:38:25 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>
> > wrote: [..]
> >
> > > django, plone has about one issue every two years - usually minor and
> not
> > > affecting anything critical. There is something radically wrong in a
> > > software that gets one core critical issue a month (even then drupal is
> > > better than wordpress that churns out such things 2 or 3 times a
> > > month).[..]
> >
> > One thing to consider is that the number of deployed installations of
> > PHP based CMSs like Drupal and Wordpress is much MUCH higher than the
> > Python based ones like Plone. That alone will skew the numbers quite a
> > bit.
> >
> > There are cases of course where the software itself was not designed
> > with security in mind perhaps for an earlier era (eg. Sendmail) where
> > the number of exploits is quite high but I don't think Drupal falls
> > into this category.
> >
> > Your comment however begs the question - do you feel that one of the
> > reasons why Drupal is 'insecure' because it's coded in PHP.
>

  Yes. Take a look at the cyber security bulletin from U.S home land
security
  for Jan 09 as an example.

 http://www.us-cert.gov/cas/bulletins/SB09-033.html

 I did a quick n dirty count using browser find in Firefox, and counted
about 12
 vulnerabilities related to Python in total. For PHP, I counted 25 and
stopped
 counting.

 Of course, there is always the argument that Python is much less used on
the
 web as opposed to PHP, which is the reason for this. You can find an
argument
 in the lines of that here,


http://fourkitchens.com/blog/2009/04/03/vulnerability-reports-are-not-indications-weakness

 He quotes Linus out of context, which is "Given enough eyeballs, all bugs
are shallow"
 which however does not imply , "Not given enough eyeballs, shallow bugs are
actually
  deep pits waiting to be exploited". This is at best a strawman argument.



>
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Project Officer
> NRC-FOSS
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
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From jaganadhg at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 07:31:43 2009
From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:01:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: [fsug-tvm][X] National workshop on SciPy -
	November 7-8, 2009
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Sajjad Anwar <sajjadkm at gmail.com>
Date: Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:28 AM
Subject: [fsug-tvm] National workshop on SciPy - November 7-8, 2009
To: fsug-calicut <fsug-calicut at freelists.org>, fsug-tvm <
ilug-tvm at googlegroups.com>, fsug-lbs at googlegroups.com,
mes-fsug at googlegroups.com


Hello everyone

Looks like University of Calicut is organizing a National workshop on SciPy,
before the big event in collaboration with SPACE and FOSSEE.
Dates are Novermber 7-8, 2009

Details are here http://c11.space-kerala.org/scipy/?q=node
For Registration http://c11.space-kerala.org/scipy/?q=user/register

Regards.

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From jadhav.harshal at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 02:45:39 2009
From: jadhav.harshal at gmail.com (harshal jadhav)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 17:45:39 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] array in python
Message-ID: <13bd510c0910071745w5e1e8df2l839e1c0f5e8752b0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everybody,

I am Harshal Jadhav, student at San Jose State University.

I am using Python for my Master's project and i am a beginner.

I am using python language for GNU Radio. For this i have a sampled signal.
The signal is a sine wave. I have to trap each sample of this sine wave in
an array.
Is it possible to capture the samples of the sine wave in  an array in
python?

Regards,
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From anandology at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 08:25:26 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:55:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] array in python
In-Reply-To: <13bd510c0910071745w5e1e8df2l839e1c0f5e8752b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <13bd510c0910071745w5e1e8df2l839e1c0f5e8752b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910072325s3494729dp12cf969f64c6a31e@mail.gmail.com>

Harshal,

I don't think anybody in this mailing list has experience with GNU Radio.

Have you tried asking in GNU Radio mailing lists?
http://gnuradio.org/trac/wiki/MailingLists

Anand

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:15 AM, harshal jadhav <jadhav.harshal at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Everybody,
>
> I am Harshal Jadhav, student at San Jose State University.
>
> I am using Python for my Master's project and i am a beginner.
>
> I am using python language for GNU Radio. For this i have a sampled signal.
> The signal is a sine wave. I have to trap each sample of this sine wave in
> an array.
> Is it possible to capture the samples of the sine wave in? an array in
> python?
>
> Regards,
> Harshal Jadhav
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>

From abpillai at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 08:27:53 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:57:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] array in python
In-Reply-To: <13bd510c0910071745w5e1e8df2l839e1c0f5e8752b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <13bd510c0910071745w5e1e8df2l839e1c0f5e8752b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910072327l6426d3b7y79a31fcdb0034b40@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:15 AM, harshal jadhav <jadhav.harshal at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Everybody,
>
> I am Harshal Jadhav, student at San Jose State University.
>
> I am using Python for my Master's project and i am a beginner.
>
> I am using python language for GNU Radio. For this i have a sampled signal.
> The signal is a sine wave. I have to trap each sample of this sine wave in
> an array.
> Is it possible to capture the samples of the sine wave in  an array in
> python?
>
> Regards,
> Harshal Jadhav
>

 Please register at the site for further postings. I approved
 the posting even though you are a non-member.


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From pasokan at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 08:37:36 2009
From: pasokan at gmail.com (Asokan Pichai)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:07:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] array in python
In-Reply-To: <13bd510c0910071745w5e1e8df2l839e1c0f5e8752b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <13bd510c0910071745w5e1e8df2l839e1c0f5e8752b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5de036dc0910072337r5d168ff9rf2eb027acb336208@mail.gmail.com>

I think this may be of help

http://www.ar.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp/members/david/softwares/index.html


Look at the second item AudioLab in that page

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:15 AM, harshal jadhav <jadhav.harshal at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Everybody,
>
> I am Harshal Jadhav, student at San Jose State University.
>
> I am using Python for my Master's project and i am a beginner.
>
> I am using python language for GNU Radio. For this i have a sampled signal.
> The signal is a sine wave. I have to trap each sample of this sine wave in
> an array.
> Is it possible to capture the samples of the sine wave in? an array in
> python?
>
> Regards,
> Harshal Jadhav
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>



-- 
Asokan Pichai
*-------------------*
We will find a way. Or, make one. (Hannibal)

From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 08:23:01 2009
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:53:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] array in python
In-Reply-To: <13bd510c0910071745w5e1e8df2l839e1c0f5e8752b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <13bd510c0910071745w5e1e8df2l839e1c0f5e8752b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <91bea30d0910072323o129addc4u64cbb4f19a2440f9@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:15 AM, harshal jadhav <jadhav.harshal at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Everybody,
>
> I am Harshal Jadhav, student at San Jose State University.
>
> I am using Python for my Master's project and i am a beginner.
>
> I am using python language for GNU Radio. For this i have a sampled signal.
> The signal is a sine wave. I have to trap each sample of this sine wave in
> an array.
> Is it possible to capture the samples of the sine wave in? an array in
> python?

Python has list, tuples and dictionaries.. choose the most suitable datatype :)

regards
Vivek

-- 
The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!

From vid at svaksha.com  Thu Oct  8 05:43:14 2009
From: vid at svaksha.com (vid)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:28:14 +0545
Subject: [BangPypers] [x-post] Language Pages on the wiki
Message-ID: <12470af00910072043l48af6d8cp72120fbd3e3b350@mail.gmail.com>

[x-posted to bangpypers and inpycon]

Hi Folks,

http://wiki.python.org/moin/NewLanguagePage , has a collection of
various language pages for Python.

Please provide links to any Python related article/tutorial in your
native language and feel free to create a new page if your language is
not listed there. The German language page is a good yardstick for
acceptable python content : http://wiki.python.org/moin/GermanLanguage

Alternatively, for your native language, please use Rami's code snippet :

***
(using KDE 4.3.0's Konsole):
[rami at tigris ~]$ python3.1
Python 3.1 (r31:73572, Aug 10 2009, 18:55:18)
[GCC 4.3.2 20081105 (Red Hat 4.3.2-7)] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> def ?????_??(???):
...     ??? = "????? {0}? ???? ??????".format(???)
...     print(???)
...
>>> ???? = '????'
>>> ?????_??(????)
????? ????? ???? ??????
>>> ??? = 'Carl'
>>> ?????_??(???)
????? Carl? ???? ??????

***
Put it in a file 'salaam.py':
# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
#!/usr/bin/python3.1

def ?????_??(???):
   ??? = "????? {0}? ???? ??????".format(???)
   print(???)

???? = '????'
??? = 'Carl'

if __name__ == '__main__':
   ?????_??(????)
   ?????_??(???)

***

Run the file:
[rami at tigris ~]$ python3.1 salaam.py
????? ????? ???? ??????
????? Carl? ???? ??????



-- 
|| vid | http://vid.svaksha.com ||
|| you are what your deepest desire is |  as you desire, so is your
intention | as your intention, so is your will | as is your will, so
is your deed | as is your deed, so is your destiny || ~ upanishads ||

From stallomir at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 08:30:22 2009
From: stallomir at gmail.com (Mandar Gokhale)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 02:30:22 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] array in python
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910072327l6426d3b7y79a31fcdb0034b40@mail.gmail.com>
References: <13bd510c0910071745w5e1e8df2l839e1c0f5e8752b0@mail.gmail.com> 
	<8548c5f30910072327l6426d3b7y79a31fcdb0034b40@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c3fb38580910072330s6df201bmc64b1efa85a470f3@mail.gmail.com>

If you want to actually capture and demodulate signals, you will need some
sort of a RF frontend to get the data into the computer, and then process it
using GNURadio. Otherwise, if you are just using simulated signals, it
should be a fairly simple simple matter to store a sine wave in an array in
Python.


-Mandar
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From jeff at taupro.com  Thu Oct  8 09:56:01 2009
From: jeff at taupro.com (Jeff Rush)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 02:56:01 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] array in python
In-Reply-To: <91bea30d0910072323o129addc4u64cbb4f19a2440f9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <13bd510c0910071745w5e1e8df2l839e1c0f5e8752b0@mail.gmail.com>
	<91bea30d0910072323o129addc4u64cbb4f19a2440f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ACD9B11.5040506@taupro.com>

Vivek Khurana wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:15 AM, harshal jadhav <jadhav.harshal at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Everybody,
>>
>> I am Harshal Jadhav, student at San Jose State University.
>>
>> I am using Python for my Master's project and i am a beginner.
>>
>> I am using python language for GNU Radio. For this i have a sampled signal.
>> The signal is a sine wave. I have to trap each sample of this sine wave in
>> an array.
>> Is it possible to capture the samples of the sine wave in  an array in
>> python?
> 
> Python has list, tuples and dictionaries.. choose the most suitable datatype :)

None of the above is suitable for signal processing in Python, for (1)
speed of loading data into memory, (2) operating on it and (3) storing
it efficiently in memory (since you tend to have a lot of it).

I would use the 'array' type in the stdlib or better still, the array
type in the NumPy package.  The NumPy array has a much richer set of
operators you can apply efficiently to a signal sample stream.

Years ago I used it on a contract for on-the-fly 2-D image processing
from a batch currency scanner (counterfeit detection) and it was able to
do pretty complicated calculations and keep up.

-Jeff


From rmathews at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 08:18:22 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:48:22 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] array in python
In-Reply-To: <13bd510c0910071745w5e1e8df2l839e1c0f5e8752b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <13bd510c0910071745w5e1e8df2l839e1c0f5e8752b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c4dc2780910072318qc4749d0jfd64f8e3a4077c49@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:15 AM, harshal jadhav <jadhav.harshal at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am using python language for GNU Radio. For this i have a sampled signal.
> The signal is a sine wave. I have to trap each sample of this sine wave in
> an array.
> Is it possible to capture the samples of the sine wave in? an array in
> python?
>
You can use lists, and there is an array module too.

>>> import array
>>> help(array)
Help on built-in module array:

NAME
    array

FILE
    (built-in)

DESCRIPTION
    This module defines an object type which can efficiently represent
    an array of basic values: characters, integers, floating point
    numbers.  Arrays are sequence types and behave very much like lists,
    except that the type of objects stored in them is constrained.  The
    type is specified at object creation time by using a type code, which
    is a single character.  The following type codes are defined:

        Type code   C Type             Minimum size in bytes
        'c'         character          1
        'b'         signed integer     1
        'B'         unsigned integer   1
        'u'         Unicode character  2
        'h'         signed integer     2
        'H'         unsigned integer   2
        'i'         signed integer     2
        'I'         unsigned integer   2
        'l'         signed integer     4
        'L'         unsigned integer   4
        'f'         floating point     4
        'd'         floating point     8

    The constructor is:

    array(typecode [, initializer]) -- create a new array

From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 12:11:38 2009
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:41:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <200910071516.50661.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <200910071005.40521.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<200910071312.09062.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<91bea30d0910070128xb4f3a19sfb5be4b56f760556@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910071516.50661.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <91bea30d0910070311h1a2f66b8l4e1fc3960a4d1150@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
>
> django, plone has about one issue every two years - usually minor and not
> affecting anything critical. There is something radically wrong in a software
> that gets one core critical issue a month (even then drupal is better than
> wordpress that churns out such things 2 or 3 times a month).

 With close to 2000 contributed module there is enough room to have
one security issue a week, they still manage to do it onece a month.
Plone doesnt have that many features or that many contributors to make
mistakes :)
 Also, several of the critical issues of drupal or wordpress are
because they are based on php, which is a language in its pre-teens.

regards
Vivek

-- 
The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!

From lawgon at thenilgiris.com  Thu Oct  8 12:25:41 2009
From: lawgon at thenilgiris.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:55:41 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <91bea30d0910070311h1a2f66b8l4e1fc3960a4d1150@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200910071005.40521.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<200910071516.50661.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<91bea30d0910070311h1a2f66b8l4e1fc3960a4d1150@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910081555.42207.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>

On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 3:41:38 pm Vivek Khurana wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> > django, plone has about one issue every two years - usually minor and not
> > affecting anything critical. There is something radically wrong in a
> > software that gets one core critical issue a month (even then drupal is
> > better than wordpress that churns out such things 2 or 3 times a month).
>
>  With close to 2000 contributed module there is enough room to have
> one security issue a week, they still manage to do it onece a month.

this is critical issues in core - if you add critical issues in contributed 
modules, the count is around 50 for this year alone - an issue a day keeps the 
informed developer away!

> Plone doesnt have that many features or that many contributors to make
> mistakes :)
>  Also, several of the critical issues of drupal or wordpress are
> because they are based on php, which is a language in its pre-teens.

aha!

-- 
regards
kg
http://lawgon.livejournal.com

From kadambari.devarajan at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 12:26:48 2009
From: kadambari.devarajan at gmail.com (Kadambari Devarajan)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:56:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] SciPy India 2009 - SciPy.in
In-Reply-To: <ad668e4f0910070149x6afe564ap4be496b5ad5eb77d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a5031abc0910031900l23bc152bj9cf77ca6af91a94e@mail.gmail.com>
	<a5031abc0910032330v29e6c6f9od52c79c9adb3340a@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910052043q1fac4779occfed796490bcb29@mail.gmail.com>
	<ad668e4f0910070149x6afe564ap4be496b5ad5eb77d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ad668e4f0910080326u2b1ed7b5p6115adbd123180a6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Kadambari Devarajan <
kadambari.devarajan at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
> abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>  Yes, it surely is more Sci than Py I would say.  Still, it would be a
>> good
>>  conf for engineers and mathematicians and guys who need more
>>  insights into numerical and mathematical problem solving.
>>
>>
> Prabhu Ramachandran is writing a blog post on Python and Scientfic
> Computing. I will send the link once it is up on the site.
>
>
And here it is: http://fossee.in/blog/py-in-the-sci

Cheers,
Kadambari Devarajan.


-- 
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From cranil89 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 14:55:25 2009
From: cranil89 at gmail.com (Anil)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:25:25 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] array in python
In-Reply-To: <4ACD9B11.5040506@taupro.com>
References: <13bd510c0910071745w5e1e8df2l839e1c0f5e8752b0@mail.gmail.com>	<91bea30d0910072323o129addc4u64cbb4f19a2440f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ACD9B11.5040506@taupro.com>
Message-ID: <4ACDE13D.8050402@gmail.com>


Jeff Rush wrote:
> None of the above is suitable for signal processing in Python, for (1)
> speed of loading data into memory, (2) operating on it and (3) storing
> it efficiently in memory (since you tend to have a lot of it).
>
> I would use the 'array' type in the stdlib or better still, the array
> type in the NumPy package.  The NumPy array has a much richer set of
> operators you can apply efficiently to a signal sample stream.
>
> Years ago I used it on a contract for on-the-fly 2-D image processing
> from a batch currency scanner (counterfeit detection) and it was able to
> do pretty complicated calculations and keep up.
>
> -Jeff
True, numpy rocks :), I've used it for speech processing myself with 
audiolab that Asokan mentioned and now i'm using it for 2d biomedical 
image processing ... Although I know nothing about GNUradio, I can tell 
you numpy rocks... :D

From cranil89 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 14:56:23 2009
From: cranil89 at gmail.com (Anil)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:26:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] array in python
In-Reply-To: <4ACD9B11.5040506@taupro.com>
References: <13bd510c0910071745w5e1e8df2l839e1c0f5e8752b0@mail.gmail.com>	<91bea30d0910072323o129addc4u64cbb4f19a2440f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ACD9B11.5040506@taupro.com>
Message-ID: <4ACDE177.9050703@gmail.com>

Jeff Rush wrote:
> Vivek Khurana wrote:
>   
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:15 AM, harshal jadhav <jadhav.harshal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi Everybody,
>>>
>>> I am Harshal Jadhav, student at San Jose State University.
>>>
>>> I am using Python for my Master's project and i am a beginner.
>>>
>>> I am using python language for GNU Radio. For this i have a sampled signal.
>>> The signal is a sine wave. I have to trap each sample of this sine wave in
>>> an array.
>>> Is it possible to capture the samples of the sine wave in  an array in
>>> python?
>>>       
>> Python has list, tuples and dictionaries.. choose the most suitable datatype :)
>>     
>
> None of the above is suitable for signal processing in Python, for (1)
> speed of loading data into memory, (2) operating on it and (3) storing
> it efficiently in memory (since you tend to have a lot of it).
>
> I would use the 'array' type in the stdlib or better still, the array
> type in the NumPy package.  The NumPy array has a much richer set of
> operators you can apply efficiently to a signal sample stream.
>
> Years ago I used it on a contract for on-the-fly 2-D image processing
> from a batch currency scanner (counterfeit detection) and it was able to
> do pretty complicated calculations and keep up.
>
> -Jeff
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>   


From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 12:53:30 2009
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:23:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <200910071609.05191.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910071548.07936.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<41139fcb0910070327v7d418622w96a3f96133ad8987@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910071609.05191.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <91bea30d0910070353h77040701w41a8f392dcab5014@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
>
> http://demo.ilugc.org.in
> and
> http://demo.ilugc.in

The drupal site is looking more pleasing. And it is not that you have
to spend sleepless nights. One upgrade a month is more than sufficient
to keep system up to date (you will need to update your django source
too). Also, I cant understand how can you be 100% sure that the code
written by you has security loop holes ?

regards
Vivek

-- 
The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!

From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 17:47:45 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:17:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting on Sunday?
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910080847x36f57595t490ef8aed7ef270@mail.gmail.com>

Is Sunday afternoon fine with everyone? Say 3-5 or so?

As for the venue, it'd be nice to have it at ThoughtWorks if it's
available. After our initial plan to hold PyCon, I don't think we've
ever met there. Will it be available?


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From mbaiju at zeomega.com  Thu Oct  8 19:01:26 2009
From: mbaiju at zeomega.com (Baiju M)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 22:31:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting on Sunday?
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910080847x36f57595t490ef8aed7ef270@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910080847x36f57595t490ef8aed7ef270@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c911c70d0910081001j431c6ct13160d43177fd752@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> Is Sunday afternoon fine with everyone? Say 3-5 or so?

I will be available this weekend, so I can attend.

But we should try to announce bit earlier, at least two weeks back.

Regards,
Baiju M

From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 19:14:22 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 22:44:22 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting on Sunday?
In-Reply-To: <c911c70d0910081001j431c6ct13160d43177fd752@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910080847x36f57595t490ef8aed7ef270@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0910081001j431c6ct13160d43177fd752@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910081014n7de4af9doe371b251f6237763@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Is Sunday afternoon fine with everyone? Say 3-5 or so?
>
> I will be available this weekend, so I can attend.
>
> But we should try to announce bit earlier, at least two weeks back.


Yeah. Actually, I wanted to wrap up some of the conference stuff like
splitting the DVDs amongst some people etc.
It won't be a purely technical meet.

Anyone else?



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 05:14:10 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:44:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting on Sunday?
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910081014n7de4af9doe371b251f6237763@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910080847x36f57595t490ef8aed7ef270@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0910081001j431c6ct13160d43177fd752@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910081014n7de4af9doe371b251f6237763@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910082014t6dc30572w272aa724612b63c3@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Is Sunday afternoon fine with everyone? Say 3-5 or so?
> >
> > I will be available this weekend, so I can attend.
> >
> > But we should try to announce bit earlier, at least two weeks back.
>
>
> Yeah. Actually, I wanted to wrap up some of the conference stuff like
> splitting the DVDs amongst some people etc.
> It won't be a purely technical meet.
>
> Anyone else?
>

 +1. @ThoughtWorks would be great however. I also need to collect
  the DVDs from you.


>
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
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From jadhav.harshal at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 05:22:21 2009
From: jadhav.harshal at gmail.com (harshal jadhav)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 20:22:21 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] line understanding problem
Message-ID: <13bd510c0910082022w9156c79p8b46908afbcd73d2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

I want to play the following program :

from gnuradio import gr
from gnuradio import audio
from gnuradio.eng_option import eng_option
from optparse import OptionParser

class my_top_block(gr.top_block):

    def __init__(self):
        gr.top_block.__init__(self)

        parser = OptionParser(option_class=eng_option)
        parser.add_option("-O", "--audio-output", type="string", default="",
                          help="pcm output device name.  E.g., hw:0,0 or
/dev/dsp")
        parser.add_option("-r", "--sample-rate", type="eng_float",
default=48000,
                          help="set sample rate to RATE (48000)")
        (options, args) = parser.parse_args ()
        if len(args) != 0:
            parser.print_help()
            raise SystemExit, 1

        sample_rate = int(options.sample_rate)
        ampl = 0.1

        src0 = gr.sig_source_f (sample_rate, gr.GR_SIN_WAVE, 350, ampl)
        print src0
        #src11    = [src0(1),src0(2)]
        src1 = gr.sig_source_f (sample_rate, gr.GR_SIN_WAVE, 440, ampl)
        dst = audio.sink (sample_rate, options.audio_output)
        self.connect (src0, (dst, 0))
        self.connect (src1, (dst, 1))


if __name__ == '__main__':
    try:
        my_top_block().run()
    except KeyboardInterrupt:
        pass


though i get the output but i also get the following statement
<gr_block sig_source_f (1)>

i donot understand what this line means. My aim is to capture the samples of
src0. for that purpose i have given *print src0 *command.

Regards,
Harshal
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From shivraj.ms at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 05:35:29 2009
From: shivraj.ms at gmail.com (Shivaraj M S)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 20:35:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Anyone worked on GNuRadio out here?
In-Reply-To: <25745999.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25745999.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <25815010.post@talk.nabble.com>


I hope you have found the solution .
If not read on.

I followed http://gnuradio.org/trac/wiki/UbuntuInstall and was able to
reproduce the error.
The issue is http://osdir.com/ml/patch-gnuradio-gnu/2009-08/msg00000.html



cspesit wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> Working on a GNUradio project.
> Following error encountered when i run multi_usrp_rx_cfile.py
> 
> 
> [shesha2 at anrc multi_usrp]$ ./multi_usrp_rx_cfile.py 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "./multi_usrp_rx_cfile.py", line 18, in <module>
>     from gnuradio import usrp_multi
> ImportError: cannot import name usrp_multi
> 
> 
> Tried setting python path,manually copying usrp_multi to prsent working
> directory,not resolved
> 
> Any inputs?
> Thanks
> Sudarshan
> 9-88-66-37-21-9
> 

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From pradeep at btbytes.com  Fri Oct  9 05:36:21 2009
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 23:36:21 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] line understanding problem
In-Reply-To: <13bd510c0910082022w9156c79p8b46908afbcd73d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <13bd510c0910082022w9156c79p8b46908afbcd73d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3e3294b70910082036y45cc7e76v6c6a377bef5663c6@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 11:22 PM, harshal jadhav
<jadhav.harshal at gmail.com> wrote:
> though i get the output but i also get the following statement
> <gr_block sig_source_f (1)>
>
> i donot understand what this line means. My aim is to capture the samples of
> src0. for that purpose i have given print src0 command.

try this line instead:

    print dir(src0)

this will give you the list of properties and methods available on that object.
You might be able to identify the property/method that will give you
access to the samples.

From ashok.raavi at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 06:09:32 2009
From: ashok.raavi at gmail.com (ashok raavi)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:39:32 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting on Sunday?
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910082014t6dc30572w272aa724612b63c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910080847x36f57595t490ef8aed7ef270@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0910081001j431c6ct13160d43177fd752@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910081014n7de4af9doe371b251f6237763@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910082014t6dc30572w272aa724612b63c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2aa122da0910082109l2e3abb5fvcadc2d88817f040b@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.com> wrote:
>> > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> Is Sunday afternoon fine with everyone? Say 3-5 or so?
>> >
>> > I will be available this weekend, so I can attend.
>> >
>> > But we should try to announce bit earlier, at least two weeks back.
>>
>>
>> Yeah. Actually, I wanted to wrap up some of the conference stuff like
>> splitting the DVDs amongst some people etc.
>> It won't be a purely technical meet.
>>
>> Anyone else?
>>
>
>  +1. @ThoughtWorks would be great however. I also need to collect
>   the DVDs from you.
>

     +1


>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ~noufal
>> http://nibrahim.net.in
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --Anand
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 06:56:39 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:26:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting on Sunday?
In-Reply-To: <2aa122da0910082109l2e3abb5fvcadc2d88817f040b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910080847x36f57595t490ef8aed7ef270@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0910081001j431c6ct13160d43177fd752@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910081014n7de4af9doe371b251f6237763@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910082014t6dc30572w272aa724612b63c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<2aa122da0910082109l2e3abb5fvcadc2d88817f040b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910082156p4be3409dh6457e5bea72bacb@mail.gmail.com>

Will some of the TW guys be around to chaperon the meeting? Sidu?


-- 
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http://nibrahim.net.in

From ashulinux at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  9 07:28:07 2009
From: ashulinux at yahoo.com (Ashutosh Narayan)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 05:28:07 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting on Sunday?
In-Reply-To: <2aa122da0910082109l2e3abb5fvcadc2d88817f040b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <843640.44569.qm@web111414.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi,

I will there for the meeting.

~ Ashutosh


--- On Fri, 10/9/09, ashok raavi <ashok.raavi at gmail.com> wrote:

From: ashok raavi <ashok.raavi at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] User group meeting on Sunday?
To: "Bangalore Python Users Group - India" <bangpypers at python.org>
Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 9:39 AM



On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:



On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:


On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

>> Is Sunday afternoon fine with everyone? Say 3-5 or so?

>

> I will be available this weekend, so I can attend.

>

> But we should try to announce bit earlier, at least two weeks back.





Yeah. Actually, I wanted to wrap up some of the conference stuff like

splitting the DVDs amongst some people etc.

It won't be a purely technical meet.



Anyone else?

?+1. @ThoughtWorks would be great however. I also need to collect
? the DVDs from you.

? ?? +1
?

?








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http://nibrahim.net.in

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From agoldgod at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 07:35:38 2009
From: agoldgod at gmail.com (goldgod a)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:05:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] web services
In-Reply-To: <1528d2590910010109k1b3d0825j433e530c4757df6d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1528d2590909302341l374ef71aoc5fe621267e4be49@mail.gmail.com>
	<91bea30d0909302358h2e6c67f1qc9684b097dd1b213@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi,


I was trying SOAP web services.How to construct .
>

Just try with Soaplib. It is an easy to use python library for writing and
calling soap web services.

Refer: http://trac.optio.webfactional.com/

examples: http://trac.optio.webfactional.com/wiki/soaplib

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From aneesh.nl at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 09:23:02 2009
From: aneesh.nl at gmail.com (Aneesh A)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 12:53:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] SciPy India 2009 - SciPy.in
In-Reply-To: <ad668e4f0910080326u2b1ed7b5p6115adbd123180a6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a5031abc0910031900l23bc152bj9cf77ca6af91a94e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<a5031abc0910032330v29e6c6f9od52c79c9adb3340a@mail.gmail.com> 
	<8548c5f30910052043q1fac4779occfed796490bcb29@mail.gmail.com> 
	<ad668e4f0910070149x6afe564ap4be496b5ad5eb77d@mail.gmail.com> 
	<ad668e4f0910080326u2b1ed7b5p6115adbd123180a6@mail.gmail.com>
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Ok. About SciPy, is there any contact numbers??

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From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 13:03:45 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:33:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting on Sunday?
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910082156p4be3409dh6457e5bea72bacb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910080847x36f57595t490ef8aed7ef270@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0910081001j431c6ct13160d43177fd752@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910081014n7de4af9doe371b251f6237763@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910082014t6dc30572w272aa724612b63c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<2aa122da0910082109l2e3abb5fvcadc2d88817f040b@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910082156p4be3409dh6457e5bea72bacb@mail.gmail.com>
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Sure, come over.

Noufal, I've replied to your private mail.

-- Ram

On 10/9/09, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> Will some of the TW guys be around to chaperon the meeting? Sidu?
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
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From lorddaemon at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 13:17:13 2009
From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Darkseid)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:47:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting on Sunday?
In-Reply-To: <49977f270910090403k50d648cfq4e932a3173800e1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910080847x36f57595t490ef8aed7ef270@mail.gmail.com>	<c911c70d0910081001j431c6ct13160d43177fd752@mail.gmail.com>	<9963e56e0910081014n7de4af9doe371b251f6237763@mail.gmail.com>	<8548c5f30910082014t6dc30572w272aa724612b63c3@mail.gmail.com>	<2aa122da0910082109l2e3abb5fvcadc2d88817f040b@mail.gmail.com>	<9963e56e0910082156p4be3409dh6457e5bea72bacb@mail.gmail.com>
	<49977f270910090403k50d648cfq4e932a3173800e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ACF1BB9.7090305@gmail.com>

My schedule is very uncertain, but anyways Ram is there so all's well, I 
guess :)

Best,
Sidu.

Sriram Narayanan wrote:
> Sure, come over.
>
> Noufal, I've replied to your private mail.
>
> -- Ram
>
> On 10/9/09, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Will some of the TW guys be around to chaperon the meeting? Sidu?
>>
>>
>> --
>> ~noufal
>> http://nibrahim.net.in
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>>     
>
>   

From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 14:15:40 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 17:45:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting on Sunday?
In-Reply-To: <4ACF1BB9.7090305@gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910080847x36f57595t490ef8aed7ef270@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d0910081001j431c6ct13160d43177fd752@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910081014n7de4af9doe371b251f6237763@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910082014t6dc30572w272aa724612b63c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<2aa122da0910082109l2e3abb5fvcadc2d88817f040b@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910082156p4be3409dh6457e5bea72bacb@mail.gmail.com>
	<49977f270910090403k50d648cfq4e932a3173800e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ACF1BB9.7090305@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910090515s51353864g74d4f1e5debd94c9@mail.gmail.com>

BangPypers meeting at ThoughtWorks - Diamond District.
Time : 3pm - 5pm
Date : 11 Oct 2009 (Sunday)

Be there or... well... be left out.

Agenda
 - Some discussions to clean up leftovers of the conference (I'll keep
it short and sweet)
 - Anand Pillai was planning an Open Calais presentation but I'll let
him confirm.





-- 
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http://nibrahim.net.in

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Sat Oct 10 01:45:47 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 05:15:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <91bea30d0910070353h77040701w41a8f392dcab5014@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910071609.05191.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<91bea30d0910070353h77040701w41a8f392dcab5014@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910100515.48028.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 07 Oct 2009 4:23:30 pm Vivek Khurana wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> > http://demo.ilugc.org.in
> > and
> > http://demo.ilugc.in
>
> The drupal site is looking more pleasing. And it is not that you have
> to spend sleepless nights. One upgrade a month is more than sufficient
> to keep system up to date (you will need to update your django source
> too).

if I have one site, on one server, one upgrade a month is do-able. If I have 
10 sites on 3 servers, it becomes a head ache. I do not *have* not update my 
django source if I am not adding new features. I have just updated my second 
ever django site, after 4 years!. For the last 4 years I have not touched it, 
and it has been chugging along merrily without complaint. 

> Also, I cant understand how can you be 100% sure that the code
> written by you has security loop holes ?

maybe I am small fry - but no one has ever cracked any site I have put up - 
right from my perl days. This is not to say that no one will - but it hasn't 
happened yet. I believe django has some csrf issues if one does not use the 
appropriate middleware - but other than that it does not have security 
loopholes, and there is absolutely no need to upgrade as long as one does not 
have new feature requests - in the case of feature requests, upgrades are 
needed as it is easier to put new features with the latest code. In fact I 
have reached such and (in)sane level of confidence that I sometimes do an svn 
up in production and do not bother to check if the sites go down.

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From noufal at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 07:16:49 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:46:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <200910100515.48028.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910071609.05191.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<91bea30d0910070353h77040701w41a8f392dcab5014@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910100515.48028.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910092216w3a78d86v3014f9f21fb1cf6f@mail.gmail.com>

0 day Django exploit in the wild - http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=872533
http://www.djangoproject.com/weblog/2009/oct/09/security/

Fixed rather quickly but found rather late. One of the reasons is
probably because of the comparatively smaller user base. If Django had
the same number of users as Drupal, I expect a lot more to be visible.

Also, I don't think that merely *using* PHP means that your site is
less secure. That's a tad too simplistic for my tastes. And I'm also
willing to bet that if I did have to use PHP, using something like
Drupal would be a lot more secure than deploying a home brew CMS.

There was a time when I used to maintain my entire website on my local
machine as a bunch of text files using Muse for Emacs. Make edits as I
wanted and then 'publish' the site. Not exactly cutting edge tech. and
not very flexible but I'm guessing that static HTML pages have better
security records than Django and Drupal. :)



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From lawgon at thenilgiris.com  Sat Oct 10 07:40:30 2009
From: lawgon at thenilgiris.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:10:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
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On Saturday 10 Oct 2009 10:46:49 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> 0 day Django exploit in the wild -
> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=872533
> http://www.djangoproject.com/weblog/2009/oct/09/security/

cool - now that django *has* security problems, more people will be 
comfortable in using it ;-)
>
> Fixed rather quickly but found rather late. One of the reasons is
> probably because of the comparatively smaller user base. If Django had
> the same number of users as Drupal, I expect a lot more to be visible.

it is not really correct to keep comparing django to drupal - one needs to 
compare drupal to plone. Django is not a cms, and so it is much simpler and 
smaller without lots of features, so less likely to have critical 
vulnerabilities. Further django only accepts stuff that is completely 
documented and has a full set of tests - I am glad to see that drupal also has 
some attempt at tests.
>
> Also, I don't think that merely using PHP means that your site is
> less secure. That's a tad too simplistic for my tastes. And I'm also
> willing to bet that if I did have to use PHP, using something like
> Drupal would be a lot more secure than deploying a home brew CMS.

a python programmer that I have a lot of respect for has classified drupal as a 
7/10 - which is high praise. He classifies django at 8/10 ;-)

-- 
regards
kg
http://lawgon.livejournal.com

From zaki at manian.org  Sat Oct 10 07:51:18 2009
From: zaki at manian.org (Zaki Manian)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:21:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting on Sunday?
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	<9963e56e0910081014n7de4af9doe371b251f6237763@mail.gmail.com> 
	<8548c5f30910082014t6dc30572w272aa724612b63c3@mail.gmail.com> 
	<2aa122da0910082109l2e3abb5fvcadc2d88817f040b@mail.gmail.com> 
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I've been looking for an opportunity to meet that Bangalore python community
and finally a user group meeting gets along with my schedule.

Looking forward to meeting you all.

Sent from Bengaluru, Karnataka, India

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> BangPypers meeting at ThoughtWorks - Diamond District.
> Time : 3pm - 5pm
> Date : 11 Oct 2009 (Sunday)
>
> Be there or... well... be left out.
>
> Agenda
>  - Some discussions to clean up leftovers of the conference (I'll keep
> it short and sweet)
>  - Anand Pillai was planning an Open Calais presentation but I'll let
> him confirm.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 09:01:20 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:31:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
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Hi,

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> 0 day Django exploit in the wild -
> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=872533
> http://www.djangoproject.com/weblog/2009/oct/09/security/
>
> Fixed rather quickly but found rather late. One of the reasons is
> probably because of the comparatively smaller user base. If Django had
> the same number of users as Drupal, I expect a lot more to be visible.
>
> Also, I don't think that merely *using* PHP means that your site is
> less secure. That's a tad too simplistic for my tastes. And I'm also
> willing to bet that if I did have to use PHP, using something like
> Drupal would be a lot more secure than deploying a home brew CMS.
>

  Not exactly. There is some truth in saying that PHP is a less secure
  language overall when compared to Python. The reasons are up from
  design itself. PHP was designed ground up as a language for the web
  which means web development features are built directly into the core
  language as opposed to Python where these are provided by add-on
  modules. It does not take a lot of effort to connect security issues of
  PHP with this fact. This is what makes PHP powerful as well as
  vulnerable.

   For example, this is a very common way of doing a select using PHP.

  $query = "SELECT * FROM products WHERE name=?$productname?";
   mysql_query <http://www.php.net/mysql_query>($query);

  Only that this kind of SQL is very vulnerable to SQL injection attacks
because
  $productname can be replaced with malicious SQL code from outside.

  The correct way to do this would be,

  $query = sprintf <http://www.php.net/sprintf>("SELECT * FROM products
WHERE name=?%s?",
   mysql_real_escape_string <http://www.php.net/mysql_real_escape_string>(
$productname));
   mysql_query <http://www.php.net/mysql_query>($query);

 However, in Python due to some features like multiline strings and
 templating using a dictionary, these kind of issues are more easily
avoided.

 example

 query="""SELECT * from Products WHERE name=%s AND timestamp>=%s"""
 cursor.execute(query % ('burger', '2009-09-10 12:00:00')

 It is not easy to use SQL injection against code like above so the
 default Python string templating is a bit more secure than the one
 provided by PHP.  You don't need to go through the pain of
mysql_escape_string  to escape the SQL params which is the solution
 offered in the PHP world.

 This is just one example. Basically it is a fact that the clean, minimal
  syntax of Python with no "hackish" features does make it a more
 secure language, if not intentional then accidental. Anyway it is good
  news for Python developers.


>
> There was a time when I used to maintain my entire website on my local
> machine as a bunch of text files using Muse for Emacs. Make edits as I
> wanted and then 'publish' the site. Not exactly cutting edge tech. and
> not very flexible but I'm guessing that static HTML pages have better
> security records than Django and Drupal. :)
>
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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From noufal at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 16:03:17 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:33:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
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On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> ?? For example, this is a very common way of doing a select using PHP.
>
> ? $query = "SELECT * FROM products WHERE name=?$productname?";
> ?? mysql_query($query);
>
> ? Only that this kind of SQL is very vulnerable to SQL injection attacks
> because
> ? $productname can be replaced with malicious SQL code from outside.
>
> ? The correct way to do this would be,
>
> ? $query = sprintf("SELECT * FROM products WHERE name=?%s?",
> ?? mysql_real_escape_string($productname));
> ?? mysql_query($query);
>
> ?However, in Python due to some features like multiline strings and
> ?templating using a dictionary, these kind of issues are more easily
> avoided.
>
> ?example
>
> ?query="""SELECT * from Products WHERE name=%s AND timestamp>=%s"""
> ?cursor.execute(query % ('burger', '2009-09-10 12:00:00')

I'm not sure I understand here. You're using  constants here ('burger'
and '2009...') but variables in the PHP version. Since constants are
in your own code, they're trusted data but since the variables could
contain values from the outside, you're still vulnerable to SQL
injection unless you sanitise them. If you had a variable (say foo)
instead of 'burger' and that had some malicious SQL injection attempt,
you'd be vulnerable exactly like in the PHP version wouldn't you? Are
you saying you don't need to escape the variables in the Python
version? I haven't played with the raw dbapi for a long time so I
might be just spouting nonsense here.


> ?It is not easy to use SQL injection against code like above so the
> ?default Python string templating is a bit more secure than the one
> ?provided by PHP.? You don't need to go through the pain of
> mysql_escape_string? to escape the SQL params which is the solution
> ?offered in the PHP world.

I'm not sure I see the difference. Assuming you get two variables from
the outside product and date which contain the query parameters, what
would happen here?
query="""SELECT * from Products WHERE name=%s AND timestamp>=%s"""
product = "''; SHOW DATABASES;" # SQL Injection attempt
date = '2009-09-10 12:00:00'
print query%(product,date)
SELECT * from Products WHERE name=''; SHOW DATABASES; AND
timestamp>=2009-09-10 12:00:00

which would get screwed no?

> ?This is just one example. Basically it is a fact that the clean, minimal
> ? syntax of Python with no "hackish" features does make it a more
> ?secure language, if not intentional then accidental. Anyway it is good
> ? news for Python developers.

I think the language quality amplifies programmer skill. IF you have
two entry level PHP and Python programmers, I'm willing to bet that
they're code will be somewhat similar and language specific goodness
will not be there. As they become skilled, their ability to exploit
languages become better and the differences will be sharper. So, a
mature product hacked upon by good programmers will be considerably
better  if it's in a 'superior' language. I think Drupal and Plone
come into that category so the security argument holds. However, for
an average programmer doing a typical program, PHP vs. Python won't
make *much* of a difference except decide her future.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From carl at personnelware.com  Sat Oct 10 16:29:35 2009
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:29:35 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
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On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> [..]
>> ?? For example, this is a very common way of doing a select using PHP.
>>
>> ? $query = "SELECT * FROM products WHERE name=?$productname?";
>> ?? mysql_query($query);
>>
>> ? Only that this kind of SQL is very vulnerable to SQL injection attacks
>> because
>> ? $productname can be replaced with malicious SQL code from outside.
>>
>> ? The correct way to do this would be,
>>
>> ? $query = sprintf("SELECT * FROM products WHERE name=?%s?",
>> ?? mysql_real_escape_string($productname));
>> ?? mysql_query($query);
>>
>> ?However, in Python due to some features like multiline strings and
>> ?templating using a dictionary, these kind of issues are more easily
>> avoided.
>>
>> ?example
>>
>> ?query="""SELECT * from Products WHERE name=%s AND timestamp>=%s"""
>> ?cursor.execute(query % ('burger', '2009-09-10 12:00:00')
>
> I'm not sure I understand here. You're using ?constants here ('burger'
> and '2009...') but variables in the PHP version. Since constants are
> in your own code, they're trusted data but since the variables could
> contain values from the outside, you're still vulnerable to SQL
> injection unless you sanitise them. If you had a variable (say foo)
> instead of 'burger' and that had some malicious SQL injection attempt,
> you'd be vulnerable exactly like in the PHP version wouldn't you? Are
> you saying you don't need to escape the variables in the Python
> version? I haven't played with the raw dbapi for a long time so I
> might be just spouting nonsense here.


I need to inject...

The line should be:

cursor.execute(query, ('burger', '2009-09-10 12:00:00'))

and to keep it more like the php example:
cursor.execute(query, (productname, buy_datetime))

and now to digress int sql server stuff:

Most (all?) sql servers have the concept of query parameters.  This
means you put "markers" in the query (like %s) and supply the values
separately.  to be clear: the server does not have to parse the values
out of the query, because they are never in the query.  This pretty
much removes the SQL Injection issue.   It also means the server can
cache stuff about queries better because the query doesn't change,
just the parameters.


>
>
>> ?It is not easy to use SQL injection against code like above so the
>> ?default Python string templating is a bit more secure than the one
>> ?provided by PHP.? You don't need to go through the pain of
>> mysql_escape_string? to escape the SQL params which is the solution
>> ?offered in the PHP world.
>
> I'm not sure I see the difference. Assuming you get two variables from
> the outside product and date which contain the query parameters, what
> would happen here?
> query="""SELECT * from Products WHERE name=%s AND timestamp>=%s"""
> product = "''; SHOW DATABASES;" # SQL Injection attempt
> date = '2009-09-10 12:00:00'
> print query%(product,date)
> SELECT * from Products WHERE name=''; SHOW DATABASES; AND
> timestamp>=2009-09-10 12:00:00
>
> which would get screwed no?
>
>> ?This is just one example. Basically it is a fact that the clean, minimal
>> ? syntax of Python with no "hackish" features does make it a more
>> ?secure language, if not intentional then accidental. Anyway it is good
>> ? news for Python developers.
>
> I think the language quality amplifies programmer skill. IF you have
> two entry level PHP and Python programmers, I'm willing to bet that
> they're code will be somewhat similar and language specific goodness
> will not be there. As they become skilled, their ability to exploit
> languages become better and the differences will be sharper. So, a
> mature product hacked upon by good programmers will be considerably
> better ?if it's in a 'superior' language. I think Drupal and Plone
> come into that category so the security argument holds. However, for
> an average programmer doing a typical program, PHP vs. Python won't
> make *much* of a difference except decide her future.

I have done 2 php pages and a bunch of python.  My guess is PHP makes
it easier to write vulnerable code, but I am really going on on a limb
here, so I'll not try to support this notion.


-- 
Carl K

From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 16:39:17 2009
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:09:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
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On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
>
> I have done 2 php pages and a bunch of python. ?My guess is PHP makes
> it easier to write vulnerable code, but I am really going on on a limb
> here, so I'll not try to support this notion.

+1 PHP indeed makes it easier to write vulnerable code. But on the
other hand PHP applications are so widely deployed that they do go
through more security scanning than python apps. Hence you get more
vulnerabilities in PHP apps :) I think one critical issue per month is
a healthy sign that application is scrutinized regularly.

regards
Vivek


-- 
The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!

From noufal at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 17:05:24 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 20:35:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
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On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
[..]
> I need to inject...
>
> The line should be:
>
> cursor.execute(query, ('burger', '2009-09-10 12:00:00'))

Ah. Then it's just a case of the API doing the quoting internally
which points to a better API than a better language.

> and to keep it more like the php example:
> cursor.execute(query, (productname, buy_datetime))

Yes. That would be closer.

[..]
> I have done 2 php pages and a bunch of python. ?My guess is PHP makes
> it easier to write vulnerable code, but I am really going on on a limb
> here, so I'll not try to support this notion.

Yes. I think so too. However, something being in PHP alone doesn't
disqualify it as a robust and secure product.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From carl at personnelware.com  Sat Oct 10 18:32:01 2009
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 11:32:01 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] sql query parameters
Message-ID: <549053140910100932o13b019c9jcb7ef8b796f76168@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> wrote:
> [..]
>> I need to inject...
>>
>> The line should be:
>>
>> cursor.execute(query, ('burger', '2009-09-10 12:00:00'))
>
> Ah. Then it's just a case of the API doing the quoting internally
> which points to a better API than a better language.

Hopefully [1] it is not "quoting", for reasonable definitions of
quoting.   "serializing" maybe, but in the case of sqlite, which
executes in the same memory space as python, I am not sure the data is
even serialized.

This is described in the sql92 spec:
"""         Many SQL-statements can be written to use "parameters" (which are
         manifested in static execution of SQL-statements as <parameters>
         in <SQL statement>s contained in <procedure>s in <module>s or as
         <embedded variable name>s in <SQL statement>s contained in <em-
         bedded SQL host program>s). In SQL-statements that are executed
         dynamically, the parameters are called dynamic parameters (<dynamic
         parameter specification>s) and are represented in SQL language by a
         <question mark> (?).
""" http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~shadow/sql/sql1992.txt

Perhaps some code showing both sides of the connection will clarify:


db=[
{'a':'x', 'b':2, 'c':3},
{'a':'y', 'b':5, 'c':6},
{'a':'z', 'b':8, 'c':9},
]

def whack():
    db=[]
    print "blam-o!"

def server(command, parameters=() ):
    """
    command is something like "find b=5"
    """

    def whack():
        db=[]
        print "blam-o!"

    print "parsing", command.__repr__()
    words=command.split()
    if words[0]=='find':
        expression = words[1]
        print "1 finding", expression.__repr__()
        field,value = expression.split('=')
        print "2 finding", field, value.__repr__()
        if value=='?':
            value=parameters[0]
        else:
            value = eval(value)
        print "3 finding", field, value.__repr__()
        rows = [ row for row in db if row[field]==value]
        print "found ", rows
        return rows

server("find a='y'")
server("find a=?",('y',))
server("find b=8")
server("find b=?",(8,))
server("find c=?",('whack()',))
server("find c=wh1ack()")

The critical part:
       if value=='?':
            value=parameters[0]
        else:
            value = eval(value)

value=parameters[0] is very light weight.  the data is already in the
correct data type
eval(value) is cpu intensive, and as the last line shows, subject to injection.

yes, this is a contrived example, but it does a pretty good job
demonstrating the 2 ways of getting values to the server.  It does not
at all demonstrate the query optimization caching stuff, but I have no
clue how to show that in something this simple.



-- 
Carl K

From abpillai at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 18:50:08 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:20:08 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Inpycon] Weekend meeting
In-Reply-To: <37e621180910091053ke038307waadde3ef326b5581@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37e621180910091053ke038307waadde3ef326b5581@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:23 PM, abstract things
<abstractthings at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> My name is Sundar and I am Senior Python programming language user [?] (I mean 3+ years). I like Python programming. Well, I haven't registered for PyCon early enough but I attended Mayavi, Algorithms and Semantic Web talk. Wanted to attend many other interesting talks as well but time didn't permit me. So following some of the online material now.
>
> I also have very much interest in Semantic Web but I some how don't agree with the Anand's post. No offence Anand. I am following Semantic Web since 2005 onwards (soon after the SPARQL draft was out) and have been active member in online Semantic Web groups. Open Calais is a Web service which stores data/information with Semantics. When we access Open Calais store by its APIs, what we get in return is JSON format (may be others as well, I haven't explored much its API) results with entity and value etc. But that is something like taking data out from your database after sending a query. If somebody follows WordNet and NLP can figure it out with document classification algorithms that the particular text you are sending to Open Calais has what semantics associated (associated Nouns, Verbs e.g. Person, place, actions, class of the text i.e. sports, politics, history etc).
>
> Arranging this information on our webpage or blog is not the Semantic Web. I would call it as fetching data from a Semantic Data store and arranging it on our webpages so that Search engines can find it in better manner or we can have quality or enriched information on our webpages (one can use RDFa). Semantic Web is what happening inside Open Calais along with other Linguistics based features for extracting meaning of the data we send or ask through API. And no way anybody can call this as ONTOLOGY. Ontologies are like domain modelling, a hard thing). Ontologies are inside thing of Open Calais. What we get out from their data store is not an Ontology. Its simply the data with semantics we are getting (just the relationships without actually knowing the domain model built inside). We no way have any knowledge of how the data inside Open Calais is stored and what their ontology for a particular domain is (Something similar to getting results out from a database without knowing what the internal schema is).
>
> Semantic Web basic concept has RDF (which is in turn an XML based standard). What that guy in PyCon showed in his presentation was a direction to think about Semantic Web if you yourself is building some Semantic Web based system (eg. if your company wants to launch some online system with Semantic Web features then you can have your domain vocabulary defined and accessible using a URL, also how the RDF statements can be made, what are the best practices for making such statements etc). His talk was more of focused on large Enterprise systems and integrations compared to using Semantic Web for Web page based data annotation. (Micro formats is not the part of W3C based Semantic Web protocol stack).
>
> Based on my limited knowledge, RDFa and GRDDL are the two standards from W3C that can be used for Web content annotation and the RDFLib (that guy used this library in his practical Python examples if you remember) can generate RDFa documents from the triples you have in your datastore (see his last 3 or 4 slides). RDF based XML documents can be generated from a Web application or an enterprise application for semantic based data exchange.
>
> Well, my thoughts here are not to argue on any thing but to give a picture of Semantic Web from my acquired knowledge in last 4or so years. (and also the perspective of that guy as I observed).
>
> I guess it would have been more interesting if that guy would have given few examples of using Description Logic to describe data relationship and how OWL fits into that model and also about Stanford's Semantic Web Protege editor or some other editors for designing Ontologies. I guess it requires more than 45 min.
>
> Nevertheless, his talk was satisfying for me, may be because I already had background knowledge of this subject.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Sundar
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon>>wrote:
>
> >* Semantic web and python. Pretty cool stuff. I am interested.*
>
>  Cool. Here is a brief of what I want to present.
>
>  Anyone who attended the talk on Semantic web in Pycon would have
>  understood something about the "theorotical" semantic web as
>  visualized by W3C.
>
>  This is however a top-down approach which requires annotating
>  web-pages with metadata such as RDF, microformats etc.
>
>  However a more practical approach is extracting
>  semantic content namely ontologies and relationships from existing
>  web content. Such services are already becoming available.
>
>  I will be demonstrating such a web-service namely "OpenCalais"
>  by Reuters and how to use it in Python to develop some applications
>  using the rich semantic data returned by the service.
>
>  The whole session will be interactive and about showing running
>  Python code, and will last from 45min - 1 hour.
>
>
>
I am sorry, but I decided not to present this talk tomorrow. I had thought
of presenting OpenCalais as an example of top down semantic web but
with some prejudices already about the topic, I think I will be better
off with presenting something more than just that.

I am working on an idea which I have to use the service to build up
a semantic web application which uses OpenCalais to extract
data and present it via other web 3.0 services. However it won't
be ready by tomorrow and I dont have the time to hack something
up quick. Next week-end I will have something to present on this
and I think it will be better to present everything together than
piece by piece.

So this talk is canceled tomorrow. Let us have the PyCon
follow-up discussions.
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From noufal at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 19:46:49 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:16:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Inpycon] Weekend meeting
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On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> I am sorry, but I decided not to present this talk tomorrow. I had thought
> of presenting OpenCalais as an example of top down semantic web but
> with some prejudices already about the topic, I think I will be better
> off with presenting something more than just that.

I think the 'prejudice' if you want to call it that is mostly
regarding the nomenclature. Open Calais is still a useful web service
and a presentation on how you used it would be nice regardless of what
you call it.

I for one was looking forward to it. :-/

> I am working on an idea which I have to use the service to build up
> a semantic web application which uses OpenCalais to extract
> data and present it via other web 3.0 services. However it won't
> be ready by tomorrow and I dont have the time to hack something
> up quick. Next week-end I will have something to present on this
> and I think it will be better to present everything together than
> piece by piece.

Okay. We'll schedule this for the next meet up then.


Anyone else have some hacks they'd like to present/talk about?


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From lawgon at thenilgiris.com  Sun Oct 11 03:25:54 2009
From: lawgon at thenilgiris.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:55:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <91bea30d0910100739m1b769a42l6dc05bd3c15b493a@mail.gmail.com>
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On Saturday 10 Oct 2009 8:09:17 pm Vivek Khurana wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com> 
wrote:
> > I have done 2 php pages and a bunch of python.  My guess is PHP makes
> > it easier to write vulnerable code, but I am really going on on a limb
> > here, so I'll not try to support this notion.
>
> +1 PHP indeed makes it easier to write vulnerable code. But on the
> other hand PHP applications are so widely deployed that they do go
> through more security scanning than python apps. Hence you get more
> vulnerabilities in PHP apps :) I think one critical issue per month is
> a healthy sign that application is scrutinized regularly.

wishful thinking
-- 
regards
kg
http://lawgon.livejournal.com

From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 06:43:26 2009
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:13:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
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On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 6:55 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves
<lawgon at thenilgiris.com> wrote:
>
> wishful thinking

 How ?

regards
Vivek

-- 
The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!

From abpillai at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 07:42:42 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:12:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910100805i130c95adl7deb536314f0032d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ad668e4f0910050543q29cd6347q3891d0faef6a8276@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910071609.05191.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<91bea30d0910070353h77040701w41a8f392dcab5014@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910100515.48028.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
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	<9963e56e0910100703p2844d6aar91d0bdbf8f3570d2@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>
> wrote:
> [..]
> > I need to inject...
> >
> > The line should be:
> >
> > cursor.execute(query, ('burger', '2009-09-10 12:00:00'))
>
> Ah. Then it's just a case of the API doing the quoting internally
> which points to a better API than a better language.
>

 Nobody said Python is a better language than PHP. Indeed comparing both
 is a bit of apples to oranges comparison since both languages are designed
 for totally different intentions. Python is a general purpose language,
whereas
 PHP was built from the ground up for the web.

 My point is there are certain aspects of PHP which makes it easy to write
 vulnerable code if the coder is not careful. In Python, there are again
some
 aspects  (language as well as API) which guards against common pitfalls.



> > and to keep it more like the php example:
> > cursor.execute(query, (productname, buy_datetime))
>
> Yes. That would be closer.
>
> [..]
> > I have done 2 php pages and a bunch of python.  My guess is PHP makes
> > it easier to write vulnerable code, but I am really going on on a limb
> > here, so I'll not try to support this notion.
>
> Yes. I think so too. However, something being in PHP alone doesn't
> disqualify it as a robust and secure product.
>

  A product being robust is a totally different thing from it being secure.
  Robust means it is stable (as in staying up and doing what it is supposed
  to do) and works with reasonable or good performance. Security is
  a totally different aspect. Being secure doesn't imply robustness or
  vice-versa.


>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
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From rmathews at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 09:00:18 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:30:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
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On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> ?Nobody said Python is a better language than PHP. Indeed comparing both
> ?is a bit of apples to oranges comparison since both languages are designed
> ?for totally different intentions. Python is a general purpose language,
> whereas
> ?PHP was built from the ground up for the web.
>
FWIW, the comparison is between Python for web applications and PHP.  :)

Roshan Mathews

From lawgon at thenilgiris.com  Sun Oct 11 14:07:33 2009
From: lawgon at thenilgiris.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:37:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
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On Sunday 11 Oct 2009 10:13:26 am Vivek Khurana wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 6:55 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves
>
> <lawgon at thenilgiris.com> wrote:
> > wishful thinking
>
>  How ?

there are three types of logic:

1. deductive logic: eg: php is fundamentally insecure, this app is in php, 
therefore it is insecure

2. inductive logic: eg: most apps written in php regularly have security 
holes, therefore php is an insecure language

3. wishful logic: eg: I use php apps, therefore it is secure.
-- 
regards
kg
http://lawgon.livejournal.com

From rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 21:46:01 2009
From: rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com (Rajeev J Sebastian)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 01:16:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [ANN][X-Post] SciPy India conference in Dec. 2009
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On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> ? A product being robust is a totally different thing from it being secure.
> ? Robust means it is stable (as in staying up and doing what it is supposed
> ? to do) and works with reasonable or good performance. Security is
> ? a totally different aspect. Being secure doesn't imply robustness or
> ? vice-versa.

Well ... a non-robust piece of software on the web is vulnerable to
DoS attacks ...

Regards
Rajeev J Sebastian

From gopiindian86 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 09:19:11 2009
From: gopiindian86 at gmail.com (Gopinath R)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:49:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] New to python - neuron ring
Message-ID: <6a438da70910120019x2d6ea49cw9b4e83664afa4080@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I am a newbie to python. i like to learn python strongly. which version is
recommended to start with 2.6 or 3.0.
I believe 3.0 has lot more features added, there is no backward
compatibility in that. we cannot use some of the 2.6 syntaxes in that. for
Example: raw_input. it worries me a lot. pls give some suggestion.

Thanks,
Neuron Ring,
http://neuronring.com
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From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 09:23:26 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:53:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] New to python - neuron ring
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Gopinath R <gopiindian86 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am a newbie to python. i like to learn python strongly. which version is
> recommended to start with 2.6 or 3.0.
> I believe 3.0 has lot more features added, there is no backward
> compatibility in that. we cannot use some of the 2.6 syntaxes in that. for
> Example: raw_input. it worries me a lot. pls give some suggestion.

I believe the only real reason to stick with a pre 3.0 release is 3rd
party library availability. The language core itself is pretty decent
in post 3.0. As you mentioned, it was a deliberately backward
incompatible release.

Depending on what you're using Python for, this should guide you.

Enjoy.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From abpillai at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 09:26:17 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:56:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] New to python - neuron ring
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Gopinath R <gopiindian86 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am a newbie to python. i like to learn python strongly. which version is
> recommended to start with 2.6 or 3.0.
> I believe 3.0 has lot more features added, there is no backward
> compatibility in that. we cannot use some of the 2.6 syntaxes in that. for
> Example: raw_input. it worries me a lot.
>

  Why does it worry you a lot ?


> pls give some suggestion.
>

 If you are a stark newbie, start with 3.0 so there is nothing to unlearn
 and relearn later. 2.6 has most features of 3.0 so 2.6 is also a good
 starting point.

 My suggestion would be start with 3.0.


>
> Thanks,
> Neuron Ring,
> http://neuronring.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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>


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From rmathews at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 09:27:56 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:57:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] New to python - neuron ring
In-Reply-To: <6a438da70910120019x2d6ea49cw9b4e83664afa4080@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Gopinath R <gopiindian86 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am a newbie to python. i like to learn python strongly. which version is
> recommended to start with 2.6 or 3.0.
>

http://diveintopython3.org/ has been released, so maybe you can start
with 3.0 but OTOH, I don't know Python 3.0, so you should take this
with a pinch of salt.

Python 2.6 is going to be around for a while, so if you're looking for
employment opportunities maybe that makes more sense.
http://diveintopython.org/ in that case.

Roshan Mathews

From gopiindian86 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 09:29:16 2009
From: gopiindian86 at gmail.com (Gopinath R)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:59:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] New to python - neuron ring
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910120023v21d44ce5yce7ae24a06443c12@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120019x2d6ea49cw9b4e83664afa4080@mail.gmail.com> 
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So Noufal,

what ure suggesting me. Shall i start learning with python 3.0 ?
**


On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Gopinath R <gopiindian86 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am a newbie to python. i like to learn python strongly. which version
> is
> > recommended to start with 2.6 or 3.0.
> > I believe 3.0 has lot more features added, there is no backward
> > compatibility in that. we cannot use some of the 2.6 syntaxes in that.
> for
> > Example: raw_input. it worries me a lot. pls give some suggestion.
>
> I believe the only real reason to stick with a pre 3.0 release is 3rd
> party library availability. The language core itself is pretty decent
> in post 3.0. As you mentioned, it was a deliberately backward
> incompatible release.
>
> Depending on what you're using Python for, this should guide you.
>
> Enjoy.
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Mon Oct 12 09:28:01 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:58:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] New to python - neuron ring
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910120023v21d44ce5yce7ae24a06443c12@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120019x2d6ea49cw9b4e83664afa4080@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910120023v21d44ce5yce7ae24a06443c12@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910121258.02111.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Monday 12 Oct 2009 12:53:26 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am a newbie to python. i like to learn python strongly. which version
> > is recommended to start with 2.6 or 3.0.
> > I believe 3.0 has lot more features added, there is no backward
> > compatibility in that. we cannot use some of the 2.6 syntaxes in that.
> > for Example: raw_input. it worries me a lot. pls give some suggestion.
>
> I believe the only real reason to stick with a pre 3.0 release is 3rd
> party library availability. The language core itself is pretty decent
> in post 3.0. As you mentioned, it was a deliberately backward
> incompatible release.
>
> Depending on what you're using Python for, this should guide you.

if you are learning the language for the sake of pursuit of knowledge, 3.x is 
fine. If you are learning it to use it in production, 2.5/6 is the way to go.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From baiju at muthukadan.net  Mon Oct 12 09:33:03 2009
From: baiju at muthukadan.net (Baiju Muthukadan)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:03:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] New to python - neuron ring
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910120023v21d44ce5yce7ae24a06443c12@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120019x2d6ea49cw9b4e83664afa4080@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910120023v21d44ce5yce7ae24a06443c12@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
> I believe the only real reason to stick with a pre 3.0 release is 3rd
> party library availability.

BTW, Now 'distribute' ( http://pypi.python.org/pypi/distribute )
has Python 3.x support.  If you want to create distribution
packages you can use it instead of setuptools.

I guess, distribute is going to accelerate Python 3 .x support
for many third party packages.

Regards,
Baiju M

From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 09:41:00 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:11:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] New to python - neuron ring
In-Reply-To: <6a438da70910120029p2f9f6acaqd8a80903ece61f31@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120019x2d6ea49cw9b4e83664afa4080@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910120023v21d44ce5yce7ae24a06443c12@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Gopinath R <gopiindian86 at gmail.com> wrote:
> So Noufal,
>
> what ure suggesting me. Shall i start learning with python 3.0 ?

Nope. I'm pointing out what I feel the most important difference as
far as usage is concerned is and then asking you to take a decision by
yourself.



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From navin.kabra at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 09:44:15 2009
From: navin.kabra at gmail.com (Navin Kabra)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:14:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] New to python - neuron ring
In-Reply-To: <6a438da70910120019x2d6ea49cw9b4e83664afa4080@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120019x2d6ea49cw9b4e83664afa4080@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ce7f20c60910120044k4ecdac24mffb5c6c4435b0ba4@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Gopinath R <gopiindian86 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am a newbie to python. i like to learn python strongly. which version is
> recommended to start with 2.6 or 3.0. I believe 3.0 has lot more features
> added, there is no backward compatibility in that. we cannot use some of the
> 2.6 syntaxes in that. for Example: raw_input. it worries me a lot. pls give
> some suggestion.
>

I think one of the important features of python is the availability of a
huge set of external libraries that make your programming easier (because
you can reuse stuff, and not reinvent the wheel). This is true of python
2.6, but not yet true of python 3.x. So, assuming that you would like to
make something useful with python (as opposed to toy programs), go with 2.6.
I can't think of a strong reason for

navin.
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From navin.kabra at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 09:44:58 2009
From: navin.kabra at gmail.com (Navin Kabra)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:14:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] New to python - neuron ring
In-Reply-To: <ce7f20c60910120044k4ecdac24mffb5c6c4435b0ba4@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Navin Kabra <navin.kabra at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Gopinath R <gopiindian86 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I am a newbie to python. i like to learn python strongly. which version is
>> recommended to start with 2.6 or 3.0. I believe 3.0 has lot more features
>> added, there is no backward compatibility in that. we cannot use some of the
>> 2.6 syntaxes in that. for Example: raw_input. it worries me a lot. pls give
>> some suggestion.
>>
>
> I think one of the important features of python is the availability of a
> huge set of external libraries that make your programming easier (because
> you can reuse stuff, and not reinvent the wheel). This is true of python
> 2.6, but not yet true of python 3.x. So, assuming that you would like to
> make something useful with python (as opposed to toy programs), go with 2.6.
>
>



> I can't think of a strong reason for
>


Sorry. This should have been "I can't think of a strong reason for learning
3.x at this point of time"
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From gopiindian86 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 10:33:35 2009
From: gopiindian86 at gmail.com (Gopinath R)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:03:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] New to python - neuron ring
In-Reply-To: <ce7f20c60910120044h69fdbd28g968d083b3f209cfe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120019x2d6ea49cw9b4e83664afa4080@mail.gmail.com> 
	<ce7f20c60910120044k4ecdac24mffb5c6c4435b0ba4@mail.gmail.com> 
	<ce7f20c60910120044h69fdbd28g968d083b3f209cfe@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi i m learning python mainly for job opportunities. so is it much difficult
if i learn 2.6 and then to update to 3.0 ?

Thanks.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Navin Kabra <navin.kabra at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>   On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Navin Kabra <navin.kabra at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>  On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Gopinath R <gopiindian86 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I am a newbie to python. i like to learn python strongly. which version
>>> is recommended to start with 2.6 or 3.0. I believe 3.0 has lot more
>>> features added, there is no backward compatibility in that. we cannot use
>>> some of the 2.6 syntaxes in that. for Example: raw_input. it worries me a
>>> lot. pls give some suggestion.
>>>
>>
>> I think one of the important features of python is the availability of a
>> huge set of external libraries that make your programming easier (because
>> you can reuse stuff, and not reinvent the wheel). This is true of python
>> 2.6, but not yet true of python 3.x. So, assuming that you would like to
>> make something useful with python (as opposed to toy programs), go with 2.6.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>  I can't think of a strong reason for
>>
>
>
> Sorry. This should have been "I can't think of a strong reason for learning
> 3.x at this point of time"
>
>
>
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From gopiindian86 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 10:39:39 2009
From: gopiindian86 at gmail.com (Gopinath R)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:09:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
Message-ID: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

It is my pleasure finding this mailing list. I am a Open Source guy. but not
an expert. I m strong in Shell Scripting. I need to learn one more open
source language for excellent job opportunities.

I am bit confused in choosing it. I need your suggestions

i should go for PERL or PYTHON. Which one is powerful and will give you more
job opportunities?

Thanks,
R.Gopinath
http://neuronring.com
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From baiju at muthukadan.net  Mon Oct 12 11:12:50 2009
From: baiju at muthukadan.net (Baiju Muthukadan)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:42:50 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] A link I found today
Message-ID: <a5031abc0910120212y16729aalc92f6906a3698fce@mail.gmail.com>

http://bitcheese.net/wiki/nopython

Don't start a flame war now, please ;)

--
Baiju M

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Mon Oct 12 11:20:35 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:50:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910121450.35517.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Monday 12 Oct 2009 2:09:39 pm Gopinath R wrote:
> i should go for PERL or PYTHON. Which one is powerful and will give you
> more job opportunities?

since this is a python list, I would say python - go to a perl list, and they 
would say perl and guess what they would say on a ruby list?
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From rmathews at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 11:23:54 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:53:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Gopinath R <gopiindian86 at gmail.com> wrote:
> i should go for PERL or PYTHON. Which one is powerful and will give you more
> job opportunities?
>
http://www.slideshare.net/Tim.Bunce/perl-myths-200909 seems to suggest
that there are more Perl jobs.  But then I haven't seen many myself.

Roshan

From lawgon at thenilgiris.com  Mon Oct 12 11:21:28 2009
From: lawgon at thenilgiris.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:51:28 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] New to python - neuron ring
In-Reply-To: <6a438da70910120133k10ae72e8r744ec551d7f74a73@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120019x2d6ea49cw9b4e83664afa4080@mail.gmail.com>
	<ce7f20c60910120044h69fdbd28g968d083b3f209cfe@mail.gmail.com>
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On Monday 12 Oct 2009 2:03:35 pm Gopinath R wrote:
> Hi i m learning python mainly for job opportunities. so is it much
> difficult if i learn 2.6 and then to update to 3.0 ?

if it is for job, then most production platforms are still on 2.4 and 2.5 
(very few on 2.6)
-- 
regards
kg
http://lawgon.livejournal.com

From zaki at manian.org  Mon Oct 12 11:33:58 2009
From: zaki at manian.org (Zaki Manian)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:03:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ab74d90d0910120233u51713c6am1b0e9cf2c7012256@mail.gmail.com>

In terms of job opportunities, Perl vs Python opportunities breakdown by
field but python adoption is expanding rapidly.

Python is used frequently in web application development which creates a lot
of job opportunities.

The must substantial difference between perl and python is stylistic.

Python places a strong emphasis on style and convention enforced by the
interpreter. This makes python very readable but causes some headaches when
initially learning to code. Usually, there is just one preferred way to
accomplish routine tasks in Python.

Perl style is much more individual.  Perl coders and groups tend to develop
an idiosyncratic style. Perl can be extremely concise("Famous one liner")
but also unreadable.

Python is being used in lots of high public profile projects across the
industry. Perl is more common in the enterprise or legacy situations. Python
is also receiving large investments by major corporations to dramatically
improved performance( "Unladen Swallow").

All in all, Python is a expressive mature language with a large number of
use cases but it isn't the new "hawtness" in languages anymore.


US number: +1 650-862-5992
Indian Number:+919945111824


On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Gopinath R <gopiindian86 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> It is my pleasure finding this mailing list. I am a Open Source guy. but
> not an expert. I m strong in Shell Scripting. I need to learn one more open
> source language for excellent job opportunities.
>
> I am bit confused in choosing it. I need your suggestions
>
> i should go for PERL or PYTHON. Which one is powerful and will give you
> more job opportunities?
>
> Thanks,
> R.Gopinath
> http://neuronring.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
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From ssquery at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 11:36:00 2009
From: ssquery at gmail.com (sudhakar s)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:06:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] New to python - neuron ring
In-Reply-To: <6a438da70910120133k10ae72e8r744ec551d7f74a73@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120019x2d6ea49cw9b4e83664afa4080@mail.gmail.com>
	<ce7f20c60910120044k4ecdac24mffb5c6c4435b0ba4@mail.gmail.com>
	<ce7f20c60910120044h69fdbd28g968d083b3f209cfe@mail.gmail.com>
	<6a438da70910120133k10ae72e8r744ec551d7f74a73@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1528d2590910120236j1b3a7498i8c66ce49c3227f39@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
   itz good to learn python check out "A Byte of Python" By *Swaroop*
CH<http://www.scribd.com/doc/2544873/A-Byte-of-Python-By-Swaroop-CH>

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Gopinath R <gopiindian86 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi i m learning python mainly for job opportunities. so is it much
> difficult if i learn 2.6 and then to update to 3.0 ?
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Navin Kabra <navin.kabra at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>   On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Navin Kabra <navin.kabra at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>  On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Gopinath R <gopiindian86 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am a newbie to python. i like to learn python strongly. which version
>>>> is recommended to start with 2.6 or 3.0. I believe 3.0 has lot more
>>>> features added, there is no backward compatibility in that. we cannot use
>>>> some of the 2.6 syntaxes in that. for Example: raw_input. it worries me a
>>>> lot. pls give some suggestion.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think one of the important features of python is the availability of a
>>> huge set of external libraries that make your programming easier (because
>>> you can reuse stuff, and not reinvent the wheel). This is true of python
>>> 2.6, but not yet true of python 3.x. So, assuming that you would like to
>>> make something useful with python (as opposed to toy programs), go with 2.6.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>  I can't think of a strong reason for
>>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry. This should have been "I can't think of a strong reason for
>> learning 3.x at this point of time"
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>


-- 
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From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 11:58:32 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:28:32 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910120258r334d4313uf83b677b5df67c3c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Gopinath R <gopiindian86 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> It is my pleasure finding this mailing list. I am a Open Source guy. but not
> an expert. I m strong in Shell Scripting. I need to learn one more open
> source language for excellent job opportunities.
>
> I am bit confused in choosing it. I need your suggestions
>
> i should go for PERL or PYTHON. Which one is powerful and will give you more
> job opportunities?

Job opportunities? I expect Java, C++ or C# rather than Perl/Python.

Languages should be seen as tools to solve problems and not as career
decisions.

Perl and Python shine in different domains and have different
applications (although there is some overlap).


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From abpillai at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 12:02:15 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:32:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] A link I found today
In-Reply-To: <a5031abc0910120212y16729aalc92f6906a3698fce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a5031abc0910120212y16729aalc92f6906a3698fce@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Baiju Muthukadan <baiju at muthukadan.net>wrote:

> http://bitcheese.net/wiki/nopython
>
> Don't start a flame war now, please ;)
>

 I had a good laugh. Many of his comments are  broken including
 the "try...catch" comment. He also seems to be living on the fringes
 of Python world where even the Python twilight does not reach.
 I mean, I have never even heard of the apps he complain about namely
 "Gajim, lastmp, debtorrent, deluge, aldrin, wicd" etc !

 Under "broken syntax" he is talking about a floating point error. So
 much for being consistent in writing.

 "Python treats objects as hashes (dictionaries), but this approach is
flawed".

 There is no coherent argument on why this is "flawed" as  the author
 suggests.  And when did programming languages not have parens ?
 Show him LISP...!

 Looks like some failed coder with some penchant for making very
 bad blog posts. And I suggest he rename his site as "bitchee.net".




>
> --
> Baiju M
> _______________________________________________
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Mon Oct 12 12:12:26 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:42:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] A link I found today
In-Reply-To: <a5031abc0910120212y16729aalc92f6906a3698fce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a5031abc0910120212y16729aalc92f6906a3698fce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910121542.27083.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Monday 12 Oct 2009 2:42:50 pm Baiju Muthukadan wrote:
> http://bitcheese.net/wiki/nopython
>
> Don't start a flame war now, please ;)

why should I when you have already started one?
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From anandology at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 12:17:39 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:47:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] A link I found today
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Baiju Muthukadan <baiju at muthukadan.net> wrote:
> http://bitcheese.net/wiki/nopython
>
> Don't start a flame war now, please ;)

2.3 - 3.4 and 2/3.0 in Python, Ruby and Haskell interpreters.

$ python3.0
Python 3.0.1 (r301:69597, Feb 14 2009, 19:03:52)
[GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5490)] on darwin
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> 2.3 - 3.4
-1.1000000000000001
>>> 2/3.0
0.66666666666666663

$ irb
>> 2.3 - 3.4
=> -1.1
>> 2/3.0
=> 0.666666666666667
>> ^D

$ ghci
GHCi, version 6.8.2: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/  :? for help
Loading package base ... linking ... done.
Prelude> 2.3 - 3.4
-1.1
Prelude> 2/3.0
0.6666666666666666
Prelude> Leaving GHCi.

It looks like number of decimal digits printed are 17 in Python, 16 in
Haskell and 15 in Ruby.

Is there any way to change that behavior in Python?

Anand

From abpillai at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 12:32:30 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:02:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] A link I found today
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Baiju Muthukadan <baiju at muthukadan.net>
> wrote:
> > http://bitcheese.net/wiki/nopython
> >
> > Don't start a flame war now, please ;)
>
> 2.3 - 3.4 and 2/3.0 in Python, Ruby and Haskell interpreters.
>
> $ python3.0
> Python 3.0.1 (r301:69597, Feb 14 2009, 19:03:52)
> [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5490)] on darwin
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> >>> 2.3 - 3.4
> -1.1000000000000001
> >>> 2/3.0
> 0.66666666666666663
>
> $ irb
> >> 2.3 - 3.4
> => -1.1
> >> 2/3.0
> => 0.666666666666667
> >> ^D
>
> $ ghci
> GHCi, version 6.8.2: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/  :? for help
> Loading package base ... linking ... done.
> Prelude> 2.3 - 3.4
> -1.1
> Prelude> 2/3.0
> 0.6666666666666666
> Prelude> Leaving GHCi.
>
> It looks like number of decimal digits printed are 17 in Python, 16 in
> Haskell and 15 in Ruby.
>
> Is there any way to change that behavior in Python?
>

 Not in the interpreter AFAIK. In code, use Decimal type.

import decimal
 >>> x=decimal.Decimal('2.3')
>>> y=decimal.Decimal('3.4')
>>> x-y
Decimal("-1.1")

I am not however a fan of the decimal module since it uses strings as the
base type.


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From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 12:32:55 2009
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:02:55 +0530
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> It looks like number of decimal digits printed are 17 in Python, 16 in
> Haskell and 15 in Ruby.
>
> Is there any way to change that behavior in Python?
[..]

I guess it would be from the __repr__ from the int object? That's
implemented in C isn't it?

Apropos the floating point issue, check out
http://cobra-language.com/docs/python/ (the Accurate Math section)

> The problem is that Python defaults to a binary floating point type even though most numbers that people input are base 10. To help
> address this Python offers an additional Decimal type that computes the correct numbers, but it must be used explicitly and, some
> would say, awkwardly:

-- 
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http://nibrahim.net.in

From abpillai at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 12:35:31 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:05:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] A link I found today
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Baiju Muthukadan <baiju at muthukadan.net>
>> wrote:
>> > http://bitcheese.net/wiki/nopython
>> >
>> > Don't start a flame war now, please ;)
>>
>> 2.3 - 3.4 and 2/3.0 in Python, Ruby and Haskell interpreters.
>>
>> $ python3.0
>> Python 3.0.1 (r301:69597, Feb 14 2009, 19:03:52)
>> [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5490)] on darwin
>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>> >>> 2.3 - 3.4
>> -1.1000000000000001
>> >>> 2/3.0
>> 0.66666666666666663
>>
>> $ irb
>> >> 2.3 - 3.4
>> => -1.1
>> >> 2/3.0
>> => 0.666666666666667
>> >> ^D
>>
>> $ ghci
>> GHCi, version 6.8.2: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/  :? for help
>> Loading package base ... linking ... done.
>> Prelude> 2.3 - 3.4
>> -1.1
>> Prelude> 2/3.0
>> 0.6666666666666666
>> Prelude> Leaving GHCi.
>>
>> It looks like number of decimal digits printed are 17 in Python, 16 in
>> Haskell and 15 in Ruby.
>>
>> Is there any way to change that behavior in Python?
>>
>
>  Not in the interpreter AFAIK. In code, use Decimal type.
>
> import decimal
>  >>> x=decimal.Decimal('2.3')
> >>> y=decimal.Decimal('3.4')
> >>> x-y
> Decimal("-1.1")
>
> I am not however a fan of the decimal module since it uses strings as the
> base type.
>

 You do end up with quirks like the following however.
  >>> x=decimal.Decimal('2.3')
>>> y=decimal.Decimal('3.4')
>>> z=x-y
>>> z
Decimal("-1.1")
>>> str(z)
'-1.1'
>>> z>(2.2-3.4)
True

 ;-)

Perhaps the "bitchy" blogger has a point w.r.t  floating point handling.


>
>
>> Anand
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>
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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:06:26 +0530
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
> abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Baiju Muthukadan <baiju at muthukadan.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> > http://bitcheese.net/wiki/nopython
>>> >
>>> > Don't start a flame war now, please ;)
>>>
>>> 2.3 - 3.4 and 2/3.0 in Python, Ruby and Haskell interpreters.
>>>
>>> $ python3.0
>>> Python 3.0.1 (r301:69597, Feb 14 2009, 19:03:52)
>>> [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5490)] on darwin
>>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> >>> 2.3 - 3.4
>>> -1.1000000000000001
>>> >>> 2/3.0
>>> 0.66666666666666663
>>>
>>> $ irb
>>> >> 2.3 - 3.4
>>> => -1.1
>>> >> 2/3.0
>>> => 0.666666666666667
>>> >> ^D
>>>
>>> $ ghci
>>> GHCi, version 6.8.2: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/  :? for help
>>> Loading package base ... linking ... done.
>>> Prelude> 2.3 - 3.4
>>> -1.1
>>> Prelude> 2/3.0
>>> 0.6666666666666666
>>> Prelude> Leaving GHCi.
>>>
>>> It looks like number of decimal digits printed are 17 in Python, 16 in
>>> Haskell and 15 in Ruby.
>>>
>>> Is there any way to change that behavior in Python?
>>>
>>
>>  Not in the interpreter AFAIK. In code, use Decimal type.
>>
>> import decimal
>>  >>> x=decimal.Decimal('2.3')
>> >>> y=decimal.Decimal('3.4')
>> >>> x-y
>> Decimal("-1.1")
>>
>> I am not however a fan of the decimal module since it uses strings as the
>> base type.
>>
>
>  You do end up with quirks like the following however.
>   >>> x=decimal.Decimal('2.3')
> >>> y=decimal.Decimal('3.4')
> >>> z=x-y
> >>> z
> Decimal("-1.1")
> >>> str(z)
> '-1.1'
> >>> z>(2.2-3.4)
> True
>
>  Oops, I meant,

>>> z>(2.3-3.4)
True



>  ;-)
>
> Perhaps the "bitchy" blogger has a point w.r.t  floating point handling.
>



>
>
>>
>>
>>> Anand
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>>
>>
>>
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From rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 12:38:36 2009
From: rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com (Rajeev J Sebastian)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:08:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] A link I found today
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Baiju Muthukadan <baiju at muthukadan.net>
>> wrote:
>> > http://bitcheese.net/wiki/nopython
>> >
>> > Don't start a flame war now, please ;)
>>
>> 2.3 - 3.4 and 2/3.0 in Python, Ruby and Haskell interpreters.
>>
>> $ python3.0
>> Python 3.0.1 (r301:69597, Feb 14 2009, 19:03:52)
>> [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5490)] on darwin
>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>> >>> 2.3 - 3.4
>> -1.1000000000000001
>> >>> 2/3.0
>> 0.66666666666666663
>>
>> $ irb
>> >> 2.3 - 3.4
>> => -1.1
>> >> 2/3.0
>> => 0.666666666666667
>> >> ^D
>>
>> $ ghci
>> GHCi, version 6.8.2: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/ ?:? for help
>> Loading package base ... linking ... done.
>> Prelude> 2.3 - 3.4
>> -1.1
>> Prelude> 2/3.0
>> 0.6666666666666666
>> Prelude> Leaving GHCi.
>>
>> It looks like number of decimal digits printed are 17 in Python, 16 in
>> Haskell and 15 in Ruby.
>>
>> Is there any way to change that behavior in Python?
>
> ?Not in the interpreter AFAIK. In code, use Decimal type.
>
> import decimal
> ?>>> x=decimal.Decimal('2.3')
>>>> y=decimal.Decimal('3.4')
>>>> x-y
> Decimal("-1.1")
>
> I am not however a fan of the decimal module since it uses strings as the
> base type.

What else should it use then ?

Regards
Rajeev J Sebastian

From abpillai at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 12:39:43 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:09:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] A link I found today
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
> abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
>> abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Baiju Muthukadan <baiju at muthukadan.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > http://bitcheese.net/wiki/nopython
>>>> >
>>>> > Don't start a flame war now, please ;)
>>>>
>>>> 2.3 - 3.4 and 2/3.0 in Python, Ruby and Haskell interpreters.
>>>>
>>>> $ python3.0
>>>> Python 3.0.1 (r301:69597, Feb 14 2009, 19:03:52)
>>>> [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5490)] on darwin
>>>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>>> >>> 2.3 - 3.4
>>>> -1.1000000000000001
>>>> >>> 2/3.0
>>>> 0.66666666666666663
>>>>
>>>> $ irb
>>>> >> 2.3 - 3.4
>>>> => -1.1
>>>> >> 2/3.0
>>>> => 0.666666666666667
>>>> >> ^D
>>>>
>>>> $ ghci
>>>> GHCi, version 6.8.2: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/  :? for help
>>>> Loading package base ... linking ... done.
>>>> Prelude> 2.3 - 3.4
>>>> -1.1
>>>> Prelude> 2/3.0
>>>> 0.6666666666666666
>>>> Prelude> Leaving GHCi.
>>>>
>>>> It looks like number of decimal digits printed are 17 in Python, 16 in
>>>> Haskell and 15 in Ruby.
>>>>
>>>> Is there any way to change that behavior in Python?
>>>>
>>>
>>>  Not in the interpreter AFAIK. In code, use Decimal type.
>>>
>>> import decimal
>>>  >>> x=decimal.Decimal('2.3')
>>> >>> y=decimal.Decimal('3.4')
>>> >>> x-y
>>> Decimal("-1.1")
>>>
>>> I am not however a fan of the decimal module since it uses strings as the
>>>
>>> base type.
>>>
>>
>>  You do end up with quirks like the following however.
>>   >>> x=decimal.Decimal('2.3')
>> >>> y=decimal.Decimal('3.4')
>> >>> z=x-y
>> >>> z
>> Decimal("-1.1")
>> >>> str(z)
>> '-1.1'
>> >>> z>(2.2-3.4)
>> True
>>
>>  Oops, I meant,
>
> >>> z>(2.3-3.4)
> True
>
>
 Hmmm... apparently comparison with floats are not implemented
 for this type, so the above is not surprising..

Example.

# This is clearly false
 >>> z>-1.0
True

But,

# That is better!
>>> z>decimal.Decimal("-1.0")
False



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Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:12:28 +0530
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Baiju Muthukadan <baiju at muthukadan.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> > http://bitcheese.net/wiki/nopython
>>> >
>>> > Don't start a flame war now, please ;)
>>>
>>> 2.3 - 3.4 and 2/3.0 in Python, Ruby and Haskell interpreters.
>>>
>>> $ python3.0
>>> Python 3.0.1 (r301:69597, Feb 14 2009, 19:03:52)
>>> [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5490)] on darwin
>>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> >>> 2.3 - 3.4
>>> -1.1000000000000001
>>> >>> 2/3.0
>>> 0.66666666666666663
>>>
>>> $ irb
>>> >> 2.3 - 3.4
>>> => -1.1
>>> >> 2/3.0
>>> => 0.666666666666667
>>> >> ^D
>>>
>>> $ ghci
>>> GHCi, version 6.8.2: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/ ?:? for help
>>> Loading package base ... linking ... done.
>>> Prelude> 2.3 - 3.4
>>> -1.1
>>> Prelude> 2/3.0
>>> 0.6666666666666666
>>> Prelude> Leaving GHCi.
>>>
>>> It looks like number of decimal digits printed are 17 in Python, 16 in
>>> Haskell and 15 in Ruby.
>>>
>>> Is there any way to change that behavior in Python?
>>
>> ?Not in the interpreter AFAIK. In code, use Decimal type.
>>
>> import decimal
>> ?>>> x=decimal.Decimal('2.3')
>> >>> y=decimal.Decimal('3.4')
>> >>> x-y
>> Decimal("-1.1")
>>
>> I am not however a fan of the decimal module since it uses strings as the
>> base type.
>
> ?You do end up with quirks like the following however.
> ? >>> x=decimal.Decimal('2.3')
>>>> y=decimal.Decimal('3.4')
>>>> z=x-y
>>>> z
> Decimal("-1.1")
>>>> str(z)
> '-1.1'
>>>> z>(2.2-3.4)
> True
>
> ?;-)
>
> Perhaps the "bitchy" blogger has a point w.r.t? floating point handling.

Not really. That is problem with floating point computation and not
with Python. Even that is same in Ruby.

$ irb
>> 1.1 > (2.2-3.4)
=> true
>> ^D

Anand

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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
>> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Baiju Muthukadan <baiju at muthukadan.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > http://bitcheese.net/wiki/nopython
>>>> >
>>>> > Don't start a flame war now, please ;)
>>>>
>>>> 2.3 - 3.4 and 2/3.0 in Python, Ruby and Haskell interpreters.
>>>>
>>>> $ python3.0
>>>> Python 3.0.1 (r301:69597, Feb 14 2009, 19:03:52)
>>>> [GCC 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5490)] on darwin
>>>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>>> >>> 2.3 - 3.4
>>>> -1.1000000000000001
>>>> >>> 2/3.0
>>>> 0.66666666666666663
>>>>
>>>> $ irb
>>>> >> 2.3 - 3.4
>>>> => -1.1
>>>> >> 2/3.0
>>>> => 0.666666666666667
>>>> >> ^D
>>>>
>>>> $ ghci
>>>> GHCi, version 6.8.2: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/ ?:? for help
>>>> Loading package base ... linking ... done.
>>>> Prelude> 2.3 - 3.4
>>>> -1.1
>>>> Prelude> 2/3.0
>>>> 0.6666666666666666
>>>> Prelude> Leaving GHCi.
>>>>
>>>> It looks like number of decimal digits printed are 17 in Python, 16 in
>>>> Haskell and 15 in Ruby.
>>>>
>>>> Is there any way to change that behavior in Python?
>>>
>>> ?Not in the interpreter AFAIK. In code, use Decimal type.
>>>
>>> import decimal
>>> ?>>> x=decimal.Decimal('2.3')
>>> >>> y=decimal.Decimal('3.4')
>>> >>> x-y
>>> Decimal("-1.1")
>>>
>>> I am not however a fan of the decimal module since it uses strings as the
>>> base type.
>>
>> ?You do end up with quirks like the following however.
>> ? >>> x=decimal.Decimal('2.3')
>>>>> y=decimal.Decimal('3.4')
>>>>> z=x-y
>>>>> z
>> Decimal("-1.1")
>>>>> str(z)
>> '-1.1'
>>>>> z>(2.2-3.4)
>> True
>>
>> ?;-)
>>
>> Perhaps the "bitchy" blogger has a point w.r.t? floating point handling.
>
> Not really. That is problem with floating point computation and not
> with Python. Even that is same in Ruby.
>
> $ irb
>>> 1.1 > (2.2-3.4)
> => true
>>> ^D

Opps. wrong example.

From abpillai at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 12:45:43 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:15:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] A link I found today
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian <
rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> > I am not however a fan of the decimal module since it uses strings as the
> > base type.
>
> What else should it use then ?
>

 Nothing. It should be taken care of in the float implementation
 without needing another module to fix it.

 Having to convert my float to a string to get a correct representation of
it
 is indeed awkward.

>>> Decimal(1.0)
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
  File "/usr/lib64/python2.5/decimal.py", line 578, in __new__
    "First convert the float to a string")
TypeError: Cannot convert float to Decimal.  First convert the float to a
string

A strange error, but I agree it is required for the module to work...!

Does numpy take care of these issues ?


> Regards
> Rajeev J Sebastian
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From anandology at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 12:48:17 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:18:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] A link I found today
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xkcd cartoon on floating point issues: http://www.xkcd.com/217/

Anand

From anandology at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 13:02:45 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:32:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] A link I found today
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian
> <rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > I am not however a fan of the decimal module since it uses strings as
>> > the
>> > base type.
>>
>> What else should it use then ?
>
> ?Nothing. It should be taken care of in the float implementation
> ?without needing another module to fix it.
>
> ?Having to convert my float to a string to get a correct representation of
> it
> ?is indeed awkward.
>
>>>> Decimal(1.0)
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> ? File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
> ? File "/usr/lib64/python2.5/decimal.py", line 578, in __new__
> ??? "First convert the float to a string")
> TypeError: Cannot convert float to Decimal.? First convert the float to a
> string
>
> A strange error, but I agree it is required for the module to work...!
>
> Does numpy take care of these issues ?

The error message is wrong not the implementation. Floating point
representation is not exact. For example look at 1.1:

>>> 1.1
1.1000000000000001

If you say Decimal(1.1) should it take it as 1.1 or 1.1000000000000001?

From ruchiryshukla at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 13:23:02 2009
From: ruchiryshukla at gmail.com (Ruchir Shukla)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:53:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] A link I found today
In-Reply-To: <a5031abc0910120212y16729aalc92f6906a3698fce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a5031abc0910120212y16729aalc92f6906a3698fce@mail.gmail.com>
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def __init__(self)
	return 0

what is this??????
__init__ and with return :O
and also where is " *:* "



On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Baiju Muthukadan <baiju at muthukadan.net>wrote:

> http://bitcheese.net/wiki/nopython
>
> Don't start a flame war now, please ;)
>
> --
> Baiju M
> _______________________________________________
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From ardsrk at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 13:30:44 2009
From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:00:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Running multiple versions of python on Fedora
Message-ID: <3d62196a0910120430l7ce9da8dt2b703ebc560e5fc2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Has anyone here tried installing multiple versions of python ( say 2.6 and
3.0 )
onto a Fedora system ( specifically fedora 11 )?

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From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 13:54:03 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:24:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Running multiple versions of python on Fedora
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Has anyone here tried installing multiple versions of python ( say 2.6 and
> 3.0 )
> onto a Fedora system ( specifically fedora 11 )?

System wide or for a single user?
-- 
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http://nibrahim.net.in

From ardsrk at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 15:19:24 2009
From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:49:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Running multiple versions of python on Fedora
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I prefer system wide.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Has anyone here tried installing multiple versions of python ( say 2.6
> and
> > 3.0 )
> > onto a Fedora system ( specifically fedora 11 )?
>
> System wide or for a single user?
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 15:27:50 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:57:50 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Running multiple versions of python on Fedora
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com>wrote:

> I prefer system wide.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Has anyone here tried installing multiple versions of python ( say 2.6
>> and
>> > 3.0 )
>> > onto a Fedora system ( specifically fedora 11 )?
>>
>
Haven't tried it on F11, but if you want to keep multiple versions of Python
side by side I suggest virtualenv.


>
>> System wide or for a single user?
>> --
>> ~noufal
>> http://nibrahim.net.in
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
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From shivraj.ms at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 15:32:24 2009
From: shivraj.ms at gmail.com (Shivaraj M S)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:32:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Running multiple versions of python on Fedora
In-Reply-To: <3d62196a0910120430l7ce9da8dt2b703ebc560e5fc2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d62196a0910120430l7ce9da8dt2b703ebc560e5fc2@mail.gmail.com>
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I don't see any problems in installing 'n' number of versions on any *nix
flavour . If you find any problem please paste the traceback.

You can always set /usr/bin/python to direct whichever version you want, 
and even keep multiple easy_install scripts. 



ardsrk wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Has anyone here tried installing multiple versions of python ( say 2.6 and
> 3.0 )
> onto a Fedora system ( specifically fedora 11 )?
> 
> -Arvind
> 
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> 
> 

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From lists.amitsaha at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 16:13:22 2009
From: lists.amitsaha at gmail.com (Amit Saha)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:43:22 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Running multiple versions of python on Fedora
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Shivaraj M S wrote:
> I don't see any problems in installing 'n' number of versions on any *nix
> flavour . If you find any problem please paste the traceback.
> 
> You can always set /usr/bin/python to direct whichever version you want, 
> and even keep multiple easy_install scripts. 

IMHO, +1 for 'virtualenv'.

-Amit
> 
> 
> 
> ardsrk wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Has anyone here tried installing multiple versions of python ( say 2.6 and
>> 3.0 )
>> onto a Fedora system ( specifically fedora 11 )?
>>
>> -Arvind
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>>
> 


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From carl at personnelware.com  Mon Oct 12 17:19:42 2009
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:19:42 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:58 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Gopinath R <gopiindian86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> It is my pleasure finding this mailing list. I am a Open Source guy. but not
>> an expert. I m strong in Shell Scripting. I need to learn one more open
>> source language for excellent job opportunities.
>>
>> I am bit confused in choosing it. I need your suggestions
>>
>> i should go for PERL or PYTHON. Which one is powerful and will give you more
>> job opportunities?
>
> Job opportunities? I expect Java, C++ or C# rather than Perl/Python.
>
> Languages should be seen as tools to solve problems and not as career
> decisions.
>
> Perl and Python shine in different domains and have different
> applications (although there is some overlap).
>
>

Given the OP: PERL or PYTHON. Which one

I would say Python.  I would also recommend first learning the basic
syntax, up to list comprehensions, exceptions and classes.  (lamda,
decorators and metaclasses can come later.) once you know the basic
syntax, pick some specialty/project:

http://matplotlib.sourceforge.net  http://carlfk.blip.tv/file/2557425
plotting library
http://www.djangoproject.com/ web framework
http://www.reportlab.org/ PDF library

Something that interests you - get involved.  great way to learn the
language and a project.

-- 
Carl K

From ardsrk at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 18:20:50 2009
From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:50:50 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Running multiple versions of python on Fedora
In-Reply-To: <4AD33982.3020705@gmail.com>
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Any documentation on virtualenv that shows how to manage multiple python
installations.
I tried googling for it and all I could get was how to manage multiple
libraries or python modules.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Amit Saha <lists.amitsaha at gmail.com> wrote:

> Shivaraj M S wrote:
>
>> I don't see any problems in installing 'n' number of versions on any *nix
>> flavour . If you find any problem please paste the traceback.
>>
>> You can always set /usr/bin/python to direct whichever version you want,
>> and even keep multiple easy_install scripts.
>>
>
> IMHO, +1 for 'virtualenv'.
>
> -Amit
>
>>
>>
>>
>> ardsrk wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Has anyone here tried installing multiple versions of python ( say 2.6
>>> and
>>> 3.0 )
>>> onto a Fedora system ( specifically fedora 11 )?
>>>
>>> -Arvind
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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From pradeep at btbytes.com  Mon Oct 12 19:18:51 2009
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:18:51 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] Running multiple versions of python on Fedora
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com> wrote:
> Has anyone here tried installing multiple versions of python ( say 2.6 and
> 3.0 )
> onto a Fedora system ( specifically fedora 11 )?

Having multiple versions on the same machine is not the problem. Most
distros already ship with at least two version (Ubuntu 2.6 and 2.5).
What is that you want to do with two python versions (esp since 3.x is
introduces some backward incompatibility) is the more interesting
question, which is not clear from your question.

Is it that you just want know whether it is possible to have two versions?
A: yes! you can.

Or is it that you want to run some scripts under 2.6 and some others under 3.0?
A: keep default python pointing to python2.x, put python3 in the #!
line in py3 scripts
ie., #!/usr/bin/env python3

Also,
There is no virtualenv for Python 3.x yet.

If you want to switch between the two:

`ports` on mac provides a bash script called `python_select`(see:
http://dpaste.com/106254/ for the bash script.) which allows you to
set the default python version.

On debian systems, the default python interpreter can be changed by
editing /usr/share/python/debian_defaults. look for something similar
on fedora.

There is also the brute force method of deleting the symlink and
pointing it to the version you want.

From shivraj.ms at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 21:46:16 2009
From: shivraj.ms at gmail.com (Shivaraj M S)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:46:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Running multiple versions of python on Fedora
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>> Any documentation on virtualenv that shows how to manage multiple python
installations.

This may make things easier if you are sure of using virtualenv.
http://www.doughellmann.com/docs/virtualenvwrapper. 




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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Tue Oct 13 01:23:21 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:53:21 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Running multiple versions of python on Fedora
In-Reply-To: <3d62196a0910120430l7ce9da8dt2b703ebc560e5fc2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d62196a0910120430l7ce9da8dt2b703ebc560e5fc2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910130453.22022.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Monday 12 Oct 2009 5:00:44 pm Arvind Jamuna Dixit wrote:
> Has anyone here tried installing multiple versions of python ( say 2.6 and
> 3.0 )
> onto a Fedora system ( specifically fedora 11 )?

yes - use virtualenv to run multiple pythons and multiple anything python.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From lawgon at thenilgiris.com  Tue Oct 13 01:24:43 2009
From: lawgon at thenilgiris.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 04:54:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Running multiple versions of python on Fedora
In-Reply-To: <3d62196a0910120920q66ae7ba0kf59e87b45a3e422@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d62196a0910120430l7ce9da8dt2b703ebc560e5fc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD33982.3020705@gmail.com>
	<3d62196a0910120920q66ae7ba0kf59e87b45a3e422@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910130454.44182.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>

On Monday 12 Oct 2009 9:50:50 pm Arvind Jamuna Dixit wrote:
> Any documentation on virtualenv that shows how to manage multiple python
> installations.
> I tried googling for it and all I could get was how to manage multiple
> libraries or python modules.

for django I used this:
http://justindriscoll.us/2008/11/setting-up-django-development-virtual.html
-- 
regards
kg
http://lawgon.livejournal.com

From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 11:25:16 2009
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:55:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python performance inprovements with GCC 4.4...any
	details
Message-ID: <a13a3b480910130225mfecf2bdl83e19101bf1cfd14@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
In our recent meet, there was a talk about python performance improvements
when compiled using gcc 4.4.

Are there anymore details that can be shared? Interested to know...because
performance is always one of most sought after metric when choosing an
interpreted language.

Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre
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From lawgon at thenilgiris.com  Tue Oct 13 11:37:47 2009
From: lawgon at thenilgiris.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:07:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python performance inprovements with GCC 4.4...any
	details
In-Reply-To: <a13a3b480910130225mfecf2bdl83e19101bf1cfd14@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a13a3b480910130225mfecf2bdl83e19101bf1cfd14@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910131507.48240.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>

On Tuesday 13 Oct 2009 2:55:16 pm Vishal wrote:
> Are there anymore details that can be shared? Interested to know...because
> performance is always one of most sought after metric when choosing an
> interpreted language.

I thought it was the least important?
-- 
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kg
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From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 11:44:26 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:14:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python performance inprovements with GCC 4.4...any
	details
In-Reply-To: <200910131507.48240.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>
References: <a13a3b480910130225mfecf2bdl83e19101bf1cfd14@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910131507.48240.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910130244u7b273c84rbd5755fda5f10100@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
<lawgon at thenilgiris.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday 13 Oct 2009 2:55:16 pm Vishal wrote:
>> Are there anymore details that can be shared? Interested to know...because
>> performance is always one of most sought after metric when choosing an
>> interpreted language.
>
> I thought it was the least important?

Hardly. Maybe not the most sought after metric but definitely up there
in a list of things to look at. Given n interpreted languages and
faced with the problem of making a decision, speed is definitely a
consideration (although other things are there as well).

The number of Python projects going just targeting speed increase and
the shift from 3.0 to 3.1 with the faster IO module are testaments to
this.

I've just recovered from the PHP/Python 'discussion' so I'll stay out
of this one. :)


-- 
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http://nibrahim.net.in

From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 12:01:23 2009
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:31:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python performance inprovements with GCC 4.4...any
	details
In-Reply-To: <200910131507.48240.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>
References: <a13a3b480910130225mfecf2bdl83e19101bf1cfd14@mail.gmail.com> 
	<200910131507.48240.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>
Message-ID: <a13a3b480910130301v33bda696p9fe530bbc96146ba@mail.gmail.com>

Well, what I meant was: Everyone knows its an interpreted language and we
are choosing it for its productivity. Also, since its interpreted, its
performance will not / most probably not match that with compiled
languages...so any news in increase in performance is a giantly welcome
thing. Sometimes it also acts as a metric when choosing between different
dynamic languages (especially by managers, who are not going to develop and
not going to be in love with a particular language anyways)
Hence, the performance query...

Thanks and best regards,
Vishal

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
<lawgon at thenilgiris.com>wrote:

> On Tuesday 13 Oct 2009 2:55:16 pm Vishal wrote:
> > Are there anymore details that can be shared? Interested to
> know...because
> > performance is always one of most sought after metric when choosing an
> > interpreted language.
>
> I thought it was the least important?
> --
> regards
> kg
> http://lawgon.livejournal.com
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 12:03:26 2009
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:33:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Need a map showing use of Python across the world...
Message-ID: <a13a3b480910130303pca65b99t5b4d96f0d6e9f443@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I came across this on perlmongers:
http://www.pm.org/groups/map.html

<http://www.pm.org/groups/map.html>Does something similar exist for Python ?

This could be a good marketing aid for Python.

Thanks and best regards,
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From rmathews at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 12:16:10 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:46:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python performance inprovements with GCC 4.4...any
	details
In-Reply-To: <a13a3b480910130301v33bda696p9fe530bbc96146ba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a13a3b480910130225mfecf2bdl83e19101bf1cfd14@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910131507.48240.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>
	<a13a3b480910130301v33bda696p9fe530bbc96146ba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c4dc2780910130316y49ec774di9113c19becb8a774@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, what I meant was: Everyone knows its an interpreted language and we
> are choosing it for its productivity. Also, since its interpreted, its
> performance will not / most probably not match that with compiled
> languages...so any news in increase in performance is a giantly welcome
> thing. Sometimes it also acts as a metric when choosing between different
> dynamic languages (especially by managers, who are not going to develop and
> not going to be in love with a particular language anyways)
> Hence, the performance query...
>

Speed matters.  To programmers.  So there's no need for the legal disclaimers.

Roshan Mathews

From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 12:27:39 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:57:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Need a map showing use of Python across the
	world...
In-Reply-To: <a13a3b480910130303pca65b99t5b4d96f0d6e9f443@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a13a3b480910130303pca65b99t5b4d96f0d6e9f443@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910130327h55e51dc6me0bd9b8146050836@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> I came across this on perlmongers:
> http://www.pm.org/groups/map.html
>
> <http://www.pm.org/groups/map.html>Does something similar exist for Python
> ?
>

Quick googling returned None.


>
> This could be a good marketing aid for Python.
>
>
Perhaps to your manager who is deciding whether to use Perl or Python
in his next project and makes decisions based on data shown in google maps.
Maybe, if he is a statistician or marketing guy, hardly if he is a techie.

You can quickly mashup one using data at
http://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups.


> Thanks and best regards,
> Vishal Sapre
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>


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From sridhar.ratna at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 12:37:13 2009
From: sridhar.ratna at gmail.com (srid)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:07:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Running multiple versions of python on Fedora
In-Reply-To: <3d62196a0910120619y66bb9e38p733385d160339f8e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d62196a0910120430l7ce9da8dt2b703ebc560e5fc2@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e0910120454r7bbc469bodbb6202fa4c854ee@mail.gmail.com> 
	<3d62196a0910120619y66bb9e38p733385d160339f8e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c73a13a0910130337i6c655f08nc1d9e7db76ffd0d4@mail.gmail.com>

I do something like this in Ubuntu:

1. sudo apt-get install python2.6
2. sudo apt-get install python3.1

$ python3.1 foo3.py
$ python2.6 foo.py

You don't have to use separate script for python3. See
http://nedbatchelder.com/blog/200910/running_the_same_code_on_python_2x_and_3x.html

As for installing packages (that are not in the repository), I suggest
installing them to PEP 370 style user directories (I don't use
virtualenv when there is PEP 370).

$ cd IPython-0.10.0/
$ sudo python2.6 setup.py install --user
$ which ipython
/Users/sridharr/.local/bin/ipython
$ python2.6 -c "import IPython; print IPython.__file__"
'/Users/sridharr/.local/lib/python2.6/site-packages/IPython/__init__.pyc'

OR

$ sudo pip install --install-option="--user" IPython

OR

$ pypm install IPython # http://docs.activestate.com/activepython/2.6/pypm.html

-srid

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com> wrote:
> I prefer system wide.
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Has anyone here tried installing multiple versions of python ( say 2.6
>> > and
>> > 3.0 )
>> > onto a Fedora system ( specifically fedora 11 )?
>>
>> System wide or for a single user?
>> --
>> ~noufal
>> http://nibrahim.net.in
>> _______________________________________________
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>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>
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>
>

From kunalkantsen at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 15:29:55 2009
From: kunalkantsen at gmail.com (kunalkant sen)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:29:55 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <549053140910120819m2d47948p644e32b62c49d7e7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e0910120258r334d4313uf83b677b5df67c3c@mail.gmail.com> 
	<549053140910120819m2d47948p644e32b62c49d7e7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63eb47a20910130629r434e925cqfcb91891c52d4429@mail.gmail.com>

If some one really want to look on jobs based on language expertise.
Look these
1) Are India Inc hiring fresher with Perl expertise or Python expertise.
2) Is language is stable/mature
3) Easy to learn and build applications.
4) Demand and supply Gap
and many more......

I can say, Companies are hiring fresher with Python knowledge. Some of Pycon
India Sponsors are hiring Python guys.

Python may not give you *more* job opportunity, but it will give you one of
the* best* job opportunity.

~ Kunal

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Carl Karsten <carl at personnelware.com>wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:58 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Gopinath R <gopiindian86 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> It is my pleasure finding this mailing list. I am a Open Source guy. but
> not
> >> an expert. I m strong in Shell Scripting. I need to learn one more open
> >> source language for excellent job opportunities.
> >>
> >> I am bit confused in choosing it. I need your suggestions
> >>
> >> i should go for PERL or PYTHON. Which one is powerful and will give you
> more
> >> job opportunities?
> >
> > Job opportunities? I expect Java, C++ or C# rather than Perl/Python.
> >
> > Languages should be seen as tools to solve problems and not as career
> > decisions.
> >
> > Perl and Python shine in different domains and have different
> > applications (although there is some overlap).
> >
> >
>
> Given the OP: PERL or PYTHON. Which one
>
> I would say Python.  I would also recommend first learning the basic
> syntax, up to list comprehensions, exceptions and classes.  (lamda,
> decorators and metaclasses can come later.) once you know the basic
> syntax, pick some specialty/project:
>
> http://matplotlib.sourceforge.net  http://carlfk.blip.tv/file/2557425
> plotting library
> http://www.djangoproject.com/ web framework
> http://www.reportlab.org/ PDF library
>
> Something that interests you - get involved.  great way to learn the
> language and a project.
>
> --
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From rmathews at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 16:17:35 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:47:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <63eb47a20910130629r434e925cqfcb91891c52d4429@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910120258r334d4313uf83b677b5df67c3c@mail.gmail.com>
	<549053140910120819m2d47948p644e32b62c49d7e7@mail.gmail.com>
	<63eb47a20910130629r434e925cqfcb91891c52d4429@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c4dc2780910130717m1536db2ah1648eb6ae37bbaad@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 6:59 PM, kunalkant sen <kunalkantsen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Python may not give you more job opportunity, but it will give you one of
> the best job opportunity.
>
Why do you say that?  Curious, that's all. :)

Roshan Mathews

From yuvipanda at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 16:26:32 2009
From: yuvipanda at gmail.com (Yuvi Panda)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:56:32 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45ec909c0910130726y1d3a06ex3abbefd87784bbd2@mail.gmail.com>

Is power in any way related to job opportunities?

And do power (and job opportunities) have anything to do with choosing which
one to learn?

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Gopinath R <gopiindian86 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> It is my pleasure finding this mailing list. I am a Open Source guy. but
> not an expert. I m strong in Shell Scripting. I need to learn one more open
> source language for excellent job opportunities.
>
> I am bit confused in choosing it. I need your suggestions
>
> i should go for PERL or PYTHON. Which one is powerful and will give you
> more job opportunities?
>
> Thanks,
> R.Gopinath
> http://neuronring.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>


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From aneesh.nl at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 17:29:52 2009
From: aneesh.nl at gmail.com (Aneesh A)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:59:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Guess me python game
Message-ID: <90c47fb0910130829g5299a136p9ea979bd73ea9e56@mail.gmail.com>

Guess me python game

Please try..

Remember to use python3.

And reply bugs and fixes to me..

I will surely give you credits..

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From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 20:34:54 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:04:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <45ec909c0910130726y1d3a06ex3abbefd87784bbd2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
	<45ec909c0910130726y1d3a06ex3abbefd87784bbd2@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Yuvi Panda <yuvipanda at gmail.com> wrote:
> Is power in any way related to job opportunities?
>
> And do power (and job opportunities) have anything to do with choosing which
> one to learn?[..]

With great power, comes great opportunities.

Or did I get that wrong?

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 20:36:48 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:06:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <ab74d90d0910120233u51713c6am1b0e9cf2c7012256@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
	<ab74d90d0910120233u51713c6am1b0e9cf2c7012256@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Zaki Manian <zaki at manian.org> wrote:[..]
> Perl style is much more individual.? Perl coders and groups tend to develop
> an idiosyncratic style. Perl can be extremely concise("Famous one liner")
> but also unreadable.

I think it's a good idea to atleast be able to read perl.

It's an excellent quick and dirty tool and fits in very well with the
UNIX toolset. If you're dealing with large text files, you have no
excuse to *not* know it.


-- 
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http://nibrahim.net.in

From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 20:47:42 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:17:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910131147j702ec7a8r61706e2f8a04670a@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Gopinath R <gopiindian86 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> It is my pleasure finding this mailing list. I am a Open Source guy. but
> not an expert. I m strong in Shell Scripting. I need to learn one more open
> source language for excellent job opportunities.
>
> I am bit confused in choosing it. I need your suggestions
>
> i should go for PERL or PYTHON. Which one is powerful and will give you
> more job opportunities?
>

 Today's job opportunities could be tomorrow's pink slips. Today's
 technology for fun could be tomorrow's job opportunity. Don't just look
 for immediate gratification when investing time in learning anything.

 When you decide to learn a language or any technology, consider how it is
 going to play out in the job market for the next 5 years or so. In that
 respect, Python is a good choice.

 I want to add that Python allows you to create your own opportunities.
 My own experience with the language is that I have reaped
 more than enough for the time I invested in learning it.


>
> Thanks,
> R.Gopinath
> http://neuronring.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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From gora at srijan.in  Tue Oct 13 20:49:26 2009
From: gora at srijan.in (Gora Mohanty)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:19:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910131136n854a5f5vbf3cf884460d1425@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:06:48 +0530
Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Zaki Manian <zaki at manian.org>
> wrote:[..]
> > Perl style is much more individual.? Perl coders and groups
> > tend to develop an idiosyncratic style. Perl can be extremely
> > concise("Famous one liner") but also unreadable.
> 
> I think it's a good idea to atleast be able to read perl.
> 
> It's an excellent quick and dirty tool and fits in very well with
> the UNIX toolset. If you're dealing with large text files, you
> have no excuse to *not* know it.
[...]

I will repeat my Perl mantra: Regular expressions, regular
expressions, regular expressions!

There is a reason that regular expressions are not so central
to Python, but nobody does regular expressions like the three-
lled llama.

Regards,
Gora


From ideamonk at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 20:57:30 2009
From: ideamonk at gmail.com (Abhishek Mishra)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:27:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
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Well I don't know about power and job prospects, but I remember
reading ESR's 'Why Python' - http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3882
before starting to learn it.

regards,
Abhishek

From lists.amitsaha at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 21:03:03 2009
From: lists.amitsaha at gmail.com (Amit Saha)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:33:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910131134k3bcf04c4i9881faa1892fa9bb@mail.gmail.com>
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Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Yuvi Panda <yuvipanda at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Is power in any way related to job opportunities?
>>
>> And do power (and job opportunities) have anything to do with choosing which
>> one to learn?[..]
> 
> With great power, comes great opportunities.
> 
> Or did I get that wrong?

'#f

-Amit
> 


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From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 21:11:31 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:41:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <64160c70910131157q7dd4e824rc6d86284b9018311@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
	<64160c70910131157q7dd4e824rc6d86284b9018311@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Abhishek Mishra <ideamonk at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well I don't know about power and job prospects, but I remember
> reading ESR's 'Why Python' - http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3882
> before starting to learn it.

Probably flame bait but does anyone take ESR seriously these days?

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 21:11:47 2009
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:41:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bf97ab890910131211v1e71629ejd8250499d77d04d4@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Gopinath R <gopiindian86 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> It is my pleasure finding this mailing list. I am a Open Source guy. but
> not an expert. I m strong in Shell Scripting. I need to learn one more open
> source language for excellent job opportunities.
>

> I am bit confused in choosing it. I need your suggestions
>
> i should go for PERL or PYTHON. Which one is powerful and will give you
> more job opportunities?
>
> Thanks,
> R.Gopinath
> http://neuronring.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
> Its refreshing to see such a candid statement about a practice so many
programmers indulge in (learning a language for excellent job
opportunities). I would imagine that perl is great for opportunities of the
nature of system administration (as an upgrade from shell scripting), rapid
tooling and some amount of web based development. I have always wondered how
many of the advertised opportunities about perl actually have perl as the
primary language. I'm sure many do but I suspect perl is likely to be used
as a secondary language more often than many other languages.

On the other hand python might be helpful for programming related to
algorithms, computations, web based apps (eg. using django etc.), more
advanced scripting and some amount of financial apps eg. trading desks.

Having expressed the applicabilities in the limited sample size I have seen,
allow me to interject one opinion. Select the right programming language for
the job not for the job opportunities. That requires you to build the
ability to learn any appropriate language on demand - and thats the skill
which probably really counts.
Dhananjay


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From rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 21:25:42 2009
From: rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com (Rajeev J Sebastian)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 00:55:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <bf97ab890910131211v1e71629ejd8250499d77d04d4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Dhananjay Nene
<dhananjay.nene at gmail.com> wrote:
> Select the right programming language for
> the job not for the job opportunities.

Yeah, but seems like OP is jobless .... :P

Regards
Rajeev J Sebastian

From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 03:34:02 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:04:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <bf97ab890910131211v1e71629ejd8250499d77d04d4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Dhananjay Nene
<dhananjay.nene at gmail.com> wrote:
> On the other hand python might be helpful for programming related to
> algorithms, computations, web based apps (eg. using django etc.), more
> advanced scripting and some amount of financial apps eg. trading desks.
>
Any Perl programmers here?  Someone who prefers Perl to Python?

I ask because I met some Perl programmers at one of the early
ChennaiPy meets, there weren't many Perl meets going on, so they had
come along.  So maybe they are hiding here too!

Someone wrote a pretty terse Perl program to wrap lines on the local
LUG list some back, all it did was call a module function, but it left
me curious about the @#$language.

Roshan Mathews

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 14 03:37:26 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:07:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910131147j702ec7a8r61706e2f8a04670a@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 12:17:42 am Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
>  My own experience with the language is that I have reaped

sorry, cannot resist this: REAPPYthon for a better world.

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 14 03:39:26 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:09:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910131211l21ababa2t1be2b6b1b647302c@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 12:41:31 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Abhishek Mishra <ideamonk at gmail.com> 
wrote:
> > Well I don't know about power and job prospects, but I remember
> > reading ESR's 'Why Python' - http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3882
> > before starting to learn it.
>
> Probably flame bait but does anyone take ESR seriously these days?

nobody ever took him seriously, but some of his essays have had and still have 
a huge influence - Cathedral and Bazaar, how to ask smart questions and the 
article on pytho.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 06:12:24 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:42:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <200910140709.27042.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 12:41:31 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Abhishek Mishra <ideamonk at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > Well I don't know about power and job prospects, but I remember
> > > reading ESR's 'Why Python' - http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3882
> > > before starting to learn it.
> >
> > Probably flame bait but does anyone take ESR seriously these days?
>
> nobody ever took him seriously, but some of his essays have had and still
> have
> a huge influence - Cathedral and Bazaar, how to ask smart questions and the
> article on pytho.
>

 The fact is that real good hackers don't care about the language they use,
 but in the quality of the code they write in that language. There are a few
kinds
 of public faces in coding that I have observed - the ones who use language
 as a kind of tool to sell their ideas and their businesses (Bruce Eckel)
and
 often to boost their egos (Eric Raymond) and those smart speakers who
 are silent and goes about their work in doing consulting and speaking
 opportunities, but doesn't make a big noise about languages, tools they
 use (Bruce Perens).

 Then there are language cult geeks who have made a persona from the
 languages and tools they are using (why-the-lucky-stiff for Ruby) and
 has an aura that rises above the language itself.

 The final category is the uber developer who is expert in anything he
 uses and produces working, quality code that runs under and above
 these language/product runtimes and make things tick - examples abound
 namely Frederick Lundh, Raymond Hettinger, Tim Peters in the Python
 world and another hacker I worship, namely Jamie Zawinski.

 Btw,  I use the term "hacker" to mean programmer/developer, not its
 old meaning which is a guy who subverts systems for criminal purposes -
 he is known as a "cracker" now a days.


> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Project Officer
> NRC-FOSS
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
> _______________________________________________
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From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 07:28:27 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:58:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>[..]
> ?The fact is that real good hackers don't care about the language they use,
> ?but in the quality of the code they write in that language. [..]

A good hacker given a choice of languages would select one of them for
his use. I don't think they're language agnostic. In fact, they're
probably more rabid about their choice of languages than your average
code monkey.

I do get your point though that a hackers code would be good
regardless of what language he wrote it in.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 08:17:51 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:47:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Minutes of Saturday BangPypers meeting (11/Oct)
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910132317n3188e7c8r474f690a9a791757@mail.gmail.com>

X-posting to inpycon since the meeting was mostly PyCon related.

Hello everyone,
   This are the rough minutes of the meeting at ThoughtWorks on 11/Oct

Apart from the technical tidbits, we mostly discussed the conference
and related matters.
Items discussed
- Send a mail using the site bulkmailer on the site with the following
items to all the delegates.
  - Video URL
  - Scipy.in
  - Gratitude
  - Plans ahead and mailing lists to join to stay uptodate.
- Send out consolidated expense statement of the conference to the mailing list
- Register society with boiler plate agreement
- We got some feedback from Sriram of TW regarding the conference
which I'm putting down here.
  - Computer and speaker were far away and that sucked. Photo of the
podium to be sent up front so that they know what to expect.
  - Make of the projector to be told to delegates so that people can
be prepared so that it works.
  - Food distribution was disorganised.
- Professional recording/Volunteer recording (Baiju) - Suggested the
way debconf events are organised and how they're recorded by
volunteers rather than professionals.
- Split the video DVDs to attendees so that they can be uploaded
(please send me a private mail for the username/password of the blip
account)
- Video quality is bad so we'll have to get them remastered by the A/V people.

That's it.

Thanks.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 08:26:15 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:56:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> >[..]
> >  The fact is that real good hackers don't care about the language they
> use,
> >  but in the quality of the code they write in that language. [..]
>
> A good hacker given a choice of languages would select one of them for
> his use. I don't think they're language agnostic. In fact, they're
> probably more rabid about their choice of languages than your average
> code monkey.
>

 I was having someone like Bruce Perens in mind when I posted it.
 And anyway all good Python hackers are good C programmers too
 since most of them contribute to the underlying implementation which is
 in C.

 I have observed that language fanaticism is not seen very much
 in the Python world. Experienced Pythonistas seem to be better language
cosmopolitans. This is not meant as a troll or flame, but something which
 I have felt in many years of working with Python and the community.



>
> I do get your point though that a hackers code would be good
> regardless of what language he wrote it in.
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
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From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 08:29:24 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:59:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Minutes of Saturday BangPypers meeting (11/Oct)
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910132317n3188e7c8r474f690a9a791757@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910132317n3188e7c8r474f690a9a791757@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> X-posting to inpycon since the meeting was mostly PyCon related.
>
> Hello everyone,
> ? This are the rough minutes of the meeting at ThoughtWorks on 11/Oct


Forgot one more more point which is to schedule a regular BangPypers
meeting the third weekend of every month.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 08:34:59 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:04:59 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> ?I have observed that language fanaticism is not seen very much
> ?in the Python world. Experienced Pythonistas seem to be better language
> cosmopolitans. This is not meant as a troll or flame, but something which
> ?I have felt in many years of working with Python and the community.
>
This is what I read about the Perl community too.  The claim was that
the language didn't crop up in the news so often because Perl hackers
are quite open to using other languages if required, and there was no
active effort to promote/push Perl.

Roshan Mathews

From zaki at manian.org  Wed Oct 14 08:53:02 2009
From: zaki at manian.org (Zaki Manian)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:23:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2780910132334r23712d8bucec0d41a92e9f0f3@mail.gmail.com>
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This is one the few examples of a high profile Perl Project that I am aware
of.
http://syncwith.us/

US number: +1 650-862-5992
Indian Number:+919945111824


On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> >  I have observed that language fanaticism is not seen very much
> >  in the Python world. Experienced Pythonistas seem to be better language
> > cosmopolitans. This is not meant as a troll or flame, but something which
> >  I have felt in many years of working with Python and the community.
> >
> This is what I read about the Perl community too.  The claim was that
> the language didn't crop up in the news so often because Perl hackers
> are quite open to using other languages if required, and there was no
> active effort to promote/push Perl.
>
> Roshan Mathews
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> BangPypers at python.org
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From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 09:00:25 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:30:25 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <ab74d90d0910132353u2a5be9a8m4a13f755f38a1d21@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Zaki Manian <zaki at manian.org> wrote:
> This is one the few examples of a high profile Perl Project that I am aware
> of.
> http://syncwith.us/
>
Large projects written in Perl include Slash, Bugzilla, RT, TWiki, and
Movable Type. Many high-traffic websites use Perl extensively.
Examples include Amazon.com, bbc.co.uk, Booking.com [23]
(Priceline.com), Craigslist, IMDb [24], LiveJournal, Slashdot,
Ticketmaster and Zappos.com.

  -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl

If you're asking that is.

Roshan Mathews

From mbaiju at zeomega.com  Wed Oct 14 09:33:28 2009
From: mbaiju at zeomega.com (Baiju M)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:03:28 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2780910140000u445350dbm5b048bf030528255@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Zaki Manian <zaki at manian.org> wrote:
>> This is one the few examples of a high profile Perl Project that I am aware
>> of.
>> http://syncwith.us/
>>
> Large projects written in Perl include Slash, Bugzilla, RT, TWiki, and
> Movable Type. Many high-traffic websites use Perl extensively.
> Examples include Amazon.com, bbc.co.uk, Booking.com [23]
> (Priceline.com), Craigslist, IMDb [24], LiveJournal, Slashdot,
> Ticketmaster and Zappos.com.

Koha (http://www.koha.org) is great web application written in Perl.

Regards,
Baiju M

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 14 09:38:05 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:08:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <c911c70d0910140033i2d9ee6e1se65b6ec6e1b84967@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 1:03:28 pm Baiju M wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Zaki Manian <zaki at manian.org> wrote:
> >> This is one the few examples of a high profile Perl Project that I am
> >> aware of.
> >> http://syncwith.us/
> >
> > Large projects written in Perl include Slash, Bugzilla, RT, TWiki, and
> > Movable Type. Many high-traffic websites use Perl extensively.
> > Examples include Amazon.com, bbc.co.uk, Booking.com [23]
> > (Priceline.com), Craigslist, IMDb [24], LiveJournal, Slashdot,
> > Ticketmaster and Zappos.com.
>
> Koha (http://www.koha.org) is great web application written in Perl.

the last? great web application written in perl? It was written in 1999-2000 
when perl ruled the roost. Seriously I was a perl guy from 1995 to 2003. It 
was great for one man projects, but not so great for collaborative projects.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 09:50:02 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:20:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <c911c70d0910140033i2d9ee6e1se65b6ec6e1b84967@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.com> wrote:
> Koha (http://www.koha.org) is great web application written in Perl.
>
Looks interesting.  It's weird since someone just asked for library
management software on the Chennai LUG list.

Roshan Mathews

From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 10:19:24 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:49:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <200910141308.05507.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> the last? great web application written in perl? It was written in 1999-2000
> when perl ruled the roost. Seriously I was a perl guy from 1995 to 2003. It
> was great for one man projects, but not so great for collaborative projects.
>
Oh, cool.  Maybe you should talk on Perl, at one of the ChennaiPy
meets when the PyCon discussions are over.  If you are interested, and
there are others who would want to attend one.

Roshan Mathews

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 14 10:23:34 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:53:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2780910140119h21ea160ftf6e9e912ffe6bed0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 1:49:24 pm Roshan Mathews wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> 
wrote:
> > the last? great web application written in perl? It was written in
> > 1999-2000 when perl ruled the roost. Seriously I was a perl guy from 1995
> > to 2003. It was great for one man projects, but not so great for
> > collaborative projects.
>
> Oh, cool.  Maybe you should talk on Perl, at one of the ChennaiPy
> meets when the PyCon discussions are over.  If you are interested, and
> there are others who would want to attend one.

ouch - I LOVE perl, and the further away I am from it, the more I love it.

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 14 10:24:44 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:54:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
Message-ID: <200910141354.45081.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 1:49:24 pm Roshan Mathews wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> 
wrote:
> > the last? great web application written in perl? It was written in
> > 1999-2000 when perl ruled the roost. Seriously I was a perl guy from 1995
> > to 2003. It was great for one man projects, but not so great for
> > collaborative projects.
>
> Oh, cool.  Maybe you should talk on Perl, at one of the ChennaiPy
> meets when the PyCon discussions are over.  If you are interested, and
> there are others who would want to attend one.

ouch - I LOVE perl, and the further away I am from it, the more I love it.

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/


From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 11:05:06 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:35:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.com> wrote:
>> Koha (http://www.koha.org) is great web application written in Perl.
>>
> Looks interesting. ?It's weird since someone just asked for library
> management software on the Chennai LUG list.

Just FYI, there is a company in Bangalore which provide commercial
hosting and support for Koha. They offer "shared Koha instance for
small libraries" for Rs. 4000/- per year.

http://www.osslabs.biz/

-Anand

From mbaiju at zeomega.com  Wed Oct 14 11:22:30 2009
From: mbaiju at zeomega.com (Baiju M)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:52:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.com> wrote:
> Koha (http://www.koha.org) is great web application written in Perl.

Long back I was a Koha consultant (2003-2004):
http://www.kohadocs.org/CDS_ISIS_to_Koha.html

Now I don't understand the Perl code I wrote there :)

--
Baiju M

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 11:31:55 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:01:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <c911c70d0910140222t3401ece2tef7b6605ef3147d7@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.com> wrote:
> > Koha (http://www.koha.org) is great web application written in Perl.
>
> Long back I was a Koha consultant (2003-2004):
> http://www.kohadocs.org/CDS_ISIS_to_Koha.html
>
> Now I don't understand the Perl code I wrote there :)
>

 Someone should quote your post everytime they discuss language
 readability and Perl...


>
> --
> Baiju M
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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--Anand
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From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 11:34:10 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:04:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.com> wrote:
>> Now I don't understand the Perl code I wrote there :)
>
> ?Someone should quote your post everytime they discuss language
> ?readability and Perl...
>
Generalizations are always harmful.

Roshan Mathews

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 12:01:11 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:31:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2780910140234p5c70efb7m49e156e912153cf5@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.com> wrote:
>>> Now I don't understand the Perl code I wrote there :)
>>
>> ?Someone should quote your post everytime they discuss language
>> ?readability and Perl...
>>
> Generalizations are always harmful.

True but this specific statement resonates with my experiences with Perl here.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 14 12:13:56 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:43:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2780910140234p5c70efb7m49e156e912153cf5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <200910141543.56989.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 3:04:10 pm Roshan Mathews wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
>
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.com> wrote:
> >> Now I don't understand the Perl code I wrote there :)
> >
> >  Someone should quote your post everytime they discuss language
> >  readability and Perl...
>
> Generalizations are always harmful.

including this one
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 12:22:05 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:52:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <200910141543.56989.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910140231n4178dac3ke2d172b44582c815@mail.gmail.com>
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	<200910141543.56989.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 3:04:10 pm Roshan Mathews wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
>>
>> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.com> wrote:
>> >> Now I don't understand the Perl code I wrote there :)
>> >
>> > ?Someone should quote your post everytime they discuss language
>> > ?readability and Perl...
>>
>> Generalizations are always harmful.
>
> including this one
>
Yes, I was surprised no one caught that. :)

The point still stands though.

Roshan Mathews

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 14 12:31:17 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:01:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2780910140322w6bd1bc73t376f5dd03c226f5e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910141543.56989.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<1c4dc2780910140322w6bd1bc73t376f5dd03c226f5e@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 3:52:05 pm Roshan Mathews wrote:
> >> >  Someone should quote your post everytime they discuss language
> >> >  readability and Perl...
> >>
> >> Generalizations are always harmful.
> >
> > including this one
>
> Yes, I was surprised no one caught that. :)
>
> The point still stands though.

it doesn't - and you haven't even spelt it properly
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 12:42:00 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:12:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <200910141601.17759.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910141543.56989.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<1c4dc2780910140322w6bd1bc73t376f5dd03c226f5e@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 3:52:05 pm Roshan Mathews wrote:
>> The point still stands though.
>
> it doesn't - and you haven't even spelt it properly
>
It might be a good idea to back away from the keyboard when you find
that you have started twitching.  What did I spell incorrectly?

Roshan Mathews

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 14 12:46:07 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:16:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2780910140342n7ec9e4e5xb44f252904925961@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 4:12:00 pm Roshan Mathews wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> 
wrote:
> > On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 3:52:05 pm Roshan Mathews wrote:
> >> The point still stands though.
> >
> > it doesn't - and you haven't even spelt it properly
>
> It might be a good idea to back away from the keyboard when you find
> that you have started twitching.  What did I spell incorrectly?

generalisation
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 13:07:32 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:37:32 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Perl or Python ?
In-Reply-To: <200910141616.07647.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <6a438da70910120139k4aea3dfev34bda97a345b7883@mail.gmail.com> 
	<200910141601.17759.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<1c4dc2780910140342n7ec9e4e5xb44f252904925961@mail.gmail.com> 
	<200910141616.07647.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910140407s2dcba0acs2c113617bfff302f@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 4:12:00 pm Roshan Mathews wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>
> wrote:
>> > On Wednesday 14 Oct 2009 3:52:05 pm Roshan Mathews wrote:
>> >> The point still stands though.
>> >
>> > it doesn't - and you haven't even spelt it properly
>>
>> It might be a good idea to back away from the keyboard when you find
>> that you have started twitching. ?What did I spell incorrectly?
>
> generalisation

Depends on whether you are speaking American English or British!

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/generalization

From abpillai at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 08:12:51 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:42:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910142312y4c24c1few3b70386fe04be8c8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

    I am proposing a week-end meeting on Sunday at
ThoughtWorks, Diamond District.

I plan to present a prototype of a project I have been
working on for the last few weeks which uses OpenCalais
and NLP to search RSS feeds for very specfic information.

The presentation will cover the basics of OpenCalais
in the beginning and then present a demo of my
project (not named yet), and some of the inner
workings.

I suggest meeting at 3.00-5.00 pm at ThoughtWorks.

If we get enough thumbs up, we could plan for one
more session...

Thanks,

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--Anand
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From ardsrk at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 08:56:18 2009
From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:26:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Running multiple versions of python on Fedora
In-Reply-To: <3d62196a0910120430l7ce9da8dt2b703ebc560e5fc2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d62196a0910120430l7ce9da8dt2b703ebc560e5fc2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3d62196a0910142356s2b7f514cn93545473c886cbe4@mail.gmail.com>

I downloaded the source tarball for Python 3.1 from python.org and built it.
Works fine now. However, I don't know what could be the implications when I
start downloading and installing modules for the other version of Python (
version 2.6 ) that came with the Linux distribution.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Has anyone here tried installing multiple versions of python ( say 2.6 and
> 3.0 )
> onto a Fedora system ( specifically fedora 11 )?
>
> -Arvind
>
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Oct 15 08:59:14 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:29:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Running multiple versions of python on Fedora
In-Reply-To: <3d62196a0910142356s2b7f514cn93545473c886cbe4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d62196a0910120430l7ce9da8dt2b703ebc560e5fc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d62196a0910142356s2b7f514cn93545473c886cbe4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910151229.14634.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 12:26:18 pm Arvind Jamuna Dixit wrote:
> I downloaded the source tarball for Python 3.1 from python.org and built
> it. Works fine now. However, I don't know what could be the implications
> when I start downloading and installing modules for the other version of
> Python ( version 2.6 ) that came with the Linux distribution.

they will go into site-packages of the 2.6 version - if you install properly.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From abpillai at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 09:03:46 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:33:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Running multiple versions of python on Fedora
In-Reply-To: <200910151229.14634.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <3d62196a0910120430l7ce9da8dt2b703ebc560e5fc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d62196a0910142356s2b7f514cn93545473c886cbe4@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910151229.14634.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910150003j6b3940f9k3e4be7b2d8466772@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 12:26:18 pm Arvind Jamuna Dixit wrote:
> > I downloaded the source tarball for Python 3.1 from python.org and built
> > it. Works fine now. However, I don't know what could be the implications
> > when I start downloading and installing modules for the other version of
> > Python ( version 2.6 ) that came with the Linux distribution.
>
> they will go into site-packages of the 2.6 version - if you install
> properly.
>

 That will be "dist-packages" from 2.6 upwards.


> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Project Officer
> NRC-FOSS
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
> _______________________________________________
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From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 09:05:25 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:35:25 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910142312y4c24c1few3b70386fe04be8c8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30910142312y4c24c1few3b70386fe04be8c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910150005h5991b298g94503f73f4a8c2a2@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> ? ? I am proposing a week-end meeting on Sunday at
> ThoughtWorks, Diamond District.
>
> I plan to present a prototype of a project I have been
> working on for the last few weeks which uses OpenCalais
> and NLP to search RSS feeds for very specfic information.
>
> The presentation will cover the basics of OpenCalais
> in the beginning and then present a demo of my
> project (not named yet), and some of the inner
> workings.
>
> I suggest meeting at 3.00-5.00 pm at ThoughtWorks.
>
> If we get enough thumbs up, we could plan for one
> more session...

+1


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Oct 15 09:04:30 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:34:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Running multiple versions of python on Fedora
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910150003j6b3940f9k3e4be7b2d8466772@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3d62196a0910120430l7ce9da8dt2b703ebc560e5fc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910151229.14634.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<8548c5f30910150003j6b3940f9k3e4be7b2d8466772@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910151234.30802.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 12:33:46 pm Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> > they will go into site-packages of the 2.6 version - if you install
> > properly.
>
>  That will be "dist-packages" from 2.6 upwards.

my fedora 11 2.6 has site-packages, no dist-packages
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From caulagi at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 09:09:14 2009
From: caulagi at gmail.com (Pradip Caulagi)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:39:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910142312y4c24c1few3b70386fe04be8c8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30910142312y4c24c1few3b70386fe04be8c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47f189df0910150009r2a56e0a2r66375488400a85ff@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> ? ? I am proposing a week-end meeting on Sunday at
> ThoughtWorks, Diamond District.
>
> I plan to present a prototype of a project I have been
> working on for the last few weeks which uses OpenCalais
> and NLP to search RSS feeds for very specfic information.
>
> The presentation will cover the basics of OpenCalais
> in the beginning and then present a demo of my
> project (not named yet), and some of the inner
> workings.
>
> I suggest meeting at 3.00-5.00 pm at ThoughtWorks.

+1

From jaganadhg at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 09:13:39 2009
From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:43:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
In-Reply-To: <47f189df0910150009r2a56e0a2r66375488400a85ff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30910142312y4c24c1few3b70386fe04be8c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<47f189df0910150009r2a56e0a2r66375488400a85ff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ae55eb500910150013j67e0b848tdc6965575e9db372@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Pradip Caulagi <caulagi at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> >     I am proposing a week-end meeting on Sunday at
> > ThoughtWorks, Diamond District.
> >
> > I plan to present a prototype of a project I have been
> > working on for the last few weeks which uses OpenCalais
> > and NLP to search RSS feeds for very specfic information.
> >
> > The presentation will cover the basics of OpenCalais
> > in the beginning and then present a demo of my
> > project (not named yet), and some of the inner
> > workings.
> >
> > I suggest meeting at 3.00-5.00 pm at ThoughtWorks.
>
> +1
>
Please share the slide for people who is not able to attend the meet.


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From abpillai at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 09:35:13 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:05:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
In-Reply-To: <ae55eb500910150013j67e0b848tdc6965575e9db372@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30910142312y4c24c1few3b70386fe04be8c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<47f189df0910150009r2a56e0a2r66375488400a85ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<ae55eb500910150013j67e0b848tdc6965575e9db372@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:43 PM, JAGANADH G <jaganadhg at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Pradip Caulagi <caulagi at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
>> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> >     I am proposing a week-end meeting on Sunday at
>> > ThoughtWorks, Diamond District.
>> >
>> > I plan to present a prototype of a project I have been
>> > working on for the last few weeks which uses OpenCalais
>> > and NLP to search RSS feeds for very specfic information.
>> >
>> > The presentation will cover the basics of OpenCalais
>> > in the beginning and then present a demo of my
>> > project (not named yet), and some of the inner
>> > workings.
>> >
>> > I suggest meeting at 3.00-5.00 pm at ThoughtWorks.
>>
>> +1
>>
> Please share the slide for people who is not able to attend the meet.
>

 It is a bit too early to decide on the meeting itself. There have been
 only a couple of thumbs-up so far. This week-end being Diwali
 and all, I need a few more head count before I decide on it.

We can have it if around 7-8 people confirm. Otherwise I will rather
 wait for the next week-end than show it to an audience of 2 or
3 people.


>
>
> --
> **********************************
> JAGANADH G
> http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
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>


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From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 09:53:00 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:23:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910150035i75c89eb3v829d84a1c09da064@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30910142312y4c24c1few3b70386fe04be8c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<47f189df0910150009r2a56e0a2r66375488400a85ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<ae55eb500910150013j67e0b848tdc6965575e9db372@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <9963e56e0910150053w4df687ack4dc8ff6e25c3c0eb@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> ?It is a bit too early to decide on the meeting itself. There have been
> ?only a couple of thumbs-up so far. This week-end being Diwali
> ?and all, I need a few more head count before I decide on it.
>
> We can have it if around 7-8 people confirm. Otherwise I will rather
> ?wait for the next week-end than show it to an audience of 2 or
> 3 people.
[..]

Why not do that then? People would have more time to get ready (this
is quite short notice) and I'd expect a larger audience.



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From abpillai at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 10:15:16 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:45:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910150053w4df687ack4dc8ff6e25c3c0eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30910142312y4c24c1few3b70386fe04be8c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<47f189df0910150009r2a56e0a2r66375488400a85ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<ae55eb500910150013j67e0b848tdc6965575e9db372@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> [..]
> >  It is a bit too early to decide on the meeting itself. There have been
> >  only a couple of thumbs-up so far. This week-end being Diwali
> >  and all, I need a few more head count before I decide on it.
> >
> > We can have it if around 7-8 people confirm. Otherwise I will rather
> >  wait for the next week-end than show it to an audience of 2 or
> > 3 people.
> [..]
>
> Why not do that then? People would have more time to get ready (this
> is quite short notice) and I'd expect a larger audience.
>

 We have had meetings at even shorter notices in the past, i.e on Friday
 for a Sat meeting and it has happened.

 I will wait till tomorrow afternoon before deciding on this.


>
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
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From ramdaz at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 10:36:01 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:06:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
>> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>> [..]
>> >  It is a bit too early to decide on the meeting itself. There have been
>> >  only a couple of thumbs-up so far. This week-end being Diwali
>> >  and all, I need a few more head count before I decide on it.
>> >
>> > We can have it if around 7-8 people confirm. Otherwise I will rather
>> >  wait for the next week-end than show it to an audience of 2 or
>> > 3 people.
>> [..]
>>
>> Why not do that then? People would have more time to get ready (this
>> is quite short notice) and I'd expect a larger audience.
>>
>
>  We have had meetings at even shorter notices in the past, i.e on Friday
>  for a Sat meeting and it has happened.
>
>  I will wait till tomorrow afternoon before deciding on this.
>
>
>> +1
>>
>>
>> --
>> ~noufal
>> http://nibrahim.net.in
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --Anand
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Oct 15 10:50:37 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:20:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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is it only me or is ramdas frequently sending mails without any matter in 
them?

On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 2:06:01 pm Ramdas S wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
>
> abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> >> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> [..]
> >>
> >> >  It is a bit too early to decide on the meeting itself. There have
> >> > been only a couple of thumbs-up so far. This week-end being Diwali and
> >> > all, I need a few more head count before I decide on it.
> >> >
> >> > We can have it if around 7-8 people confirm. Otherwise I will rather
> >> >  wait for the next week-end than show it to an audience of 2 or
> >> > 3 people.
> >>
> >> [..]
> >>
> >> Why not do that then? People would have more time to get ready (this
> >> is quite short notice) and I'd expect a larger audience.
> >
> >  We have had meetings at even shorter notices in the past, i.e on Friday
> >  for a Sat meeting and it has happened.
> >
> >  I will wait till tomorrow afternoon before deciding on this.
> >
> >> +1
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> ~noufal
> >> http://nibrahim.net.in
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> BangPypers mailing list
> >> BangPypers at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> > --
> > --Anand
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From srinivasachari2000 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 11:13:20 2009
From: srinivasachari2000 at gmail.com (Srinivasachari)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:43:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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+1

Regards,
Srinivasachari.
Sent from Bangalore, KA, India

2009/10/15 Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>

> is it only me or is ramdas frequently sending mails without any matter in
> them?
>
> On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 2:06:01 pm Ramdas S wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
> >
> > abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> > >> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> [..]
> > >>
> > >> >  It is a bit too early to decide on the meeting itself. There have
> > >> > been only a couple of thumbs-up so far. This week-end being Diwali
> and
> > >> > all, I need a few more head count before I decide on it.
> > >> >
> > >> > We can have it if around 7-8 people confirm. Otherwise I will rather
> > >> >  wait for the next week-end than show it to an audience of 2 or
> > >> > 3 people.
> > >>
> > >> [..]
> > >>
> > >> Why not do that then? People would have more time to get ready (this
> > >> is quite short notice) and I'd expect a larger audience.
> > >
> > >  We have had meetings at even shorter notices in the past, i.e on
> Friday
> > >  for a Sat meeting and it has happened.
> > >
> > >  I will wait till tomorrow afternoon before deciding on this.
> > >
> > >> +1
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> ~noufal
> > >> http://nibrahim.net.in
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> BangPypers mailing list
> > >> BangPypers at python.org
> > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > >
> > > --
> > > --Anand
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Project Officer
> NRC-FOSS
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
> _______________________________________________
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From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 11:38:54 2009
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:08:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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+1
Vishal Sapre

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Srinivasachari <
srinivasachari2000 at gmail.com> wrote:

> +1
>
> Regards,
> Srinivasachari.
> Sent from Bangalore, KA, India
>
> 2009/10/15 Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>
>
> is it only me or is ramdas frequently sending mails without any matter in
>> them?
>>
>> On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 2:06:01 pm Ramdas S wrote:
>> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
>> >
>> > abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
>> > >> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> [..]
>> > >>
>> > >> >  It is a bit too early to decide on the meeting itself. There have
>> > >> > been only a couple of thumbs-up so far. This week-end being Diwali
>> and
>> > >> > all, I need a few more head count before I decide on it.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > We can have it if around 7-8 people confirm. Otherwise I will
>> rather
>> > >> >  wait for the next week-end than show it to an audience of 2 or
>> > >> > 3 people.
>> > >>
>> > >> [..]
>> > >>
>> > >> Why not do that then? People would have more time to get ready (this
>> > >> is quite short notice) and I'd expect a larger audience.
>> > >
>> > >  We have had meetings at even shorter notices in the past, i.e on
>> Friday
>> > >  for a Sat meeting and it has happened.
>> > >
>> > >  I will wait till tomorrow afternoon before deciding on this.
>> > >
>> > >> +1
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> ~noufal
>> > >> http://nibrahim.net.in
>> > >> _______________________________________________
>> > >> BangPypers mailing list
>> > >> BangPypers at python.org
>> > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > --Anand
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > BangPypers mailing list
>> > > BangPypers at python.org
>> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>> --
>> regards
>> Kenneth Gonsalves
>> Senior Project Officer
>> NRC-FOSS
>> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>


-- 
Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre

---

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From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Thu Oct 15 11:47:07 2009
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:17:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01BB8C86@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

Hi list,         
        This is my first post to the list though  I have been following
this list since 7 or 8 months.
I have been programming for a 1.5 years or so.Comparatively i have very
less exposure and exp as you  people have and 
please excuse me if u think this is a troll or flame.
 
         I know that this is not related to python, but i can't resist
discussing this.
 
Why do indian programmers ask for code in  Usenet (particularly Google
groups) ?
,saying that it's very urgent and on top of that they can't even able to
put their problem across correctly.In some cases
they ask you to send it to their mail ID's.
 
  Having  tried the problem and asking for help is OK.but this is
something like disgusting.
 
        I have been following Reddit  and News groups and forums and no
matter where ever i go these type of 
people are there(99% of them are indians).They don't even have the
patience to do googling..is copying seeped into our blood??
 
    I have worked at infosys , i have had a chance to work with
westerns,they never ever 
copy their home work(In training ,we used to do assignments and submit
at the EOD).They do submit what they did , if they can't
do it,they ask permission to submit later.But we (Indians) used to
copy.Yeah,i did copy and learnt lessons. :)
 
 
Regards,
Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy.
--------------
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From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 12:07:44 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:37:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
<srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
[..]
> Why do indian programmers ask for code in? Usenet (particularly?Google
> groups) ?
[..]
> Yeah,i did copy and learnt lessons. :)

Why? That's probably the answer you're looking for.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From ardsrk at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 12:09:56 2009
From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:39:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01BB8C86@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
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May be we Indians always think the other person to be better or smarter. To
quote from your own post:

"Comparatively i have very less exposure and exp as you  people have"

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy <
srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:

>  Hi list,
>         This is my first post to the list though  I have been following
> this list since 7 or 8 months.
> I have been programming for a 1.5 years or so.Comparatively i have very
> less exposure and exp as you  people have and
> please excuse me if u think this is a troll or flame.
>
>          I know that this is not related to python, but i can't resist
> discussing this.
>
> Why do indian programmers ask for code in  Usenet (particularly Google
> groups) ?
> ,saying that it's very urgent and on top of that they can't even able to
> put their problem across correctly.In some cases
> they ask you to send it to their mail ID's.
>
>   Having  tried the problem and asking for help is OK.but this is something
> like disgusting.
>
>         I have been following Reddit  and News groups and forums and no
> matter where ever i go these type of
> people are there(99% of them are indians).They don't even have the patience
> to do googling..is copying seeped into our blood??
>
>     I have worked at infosys , i have had a chance to work with
> westerns,they never ever
> copy their home work(In training ,we used to do assignments and submit at
> the EOD).They do submit what they did , if they can't
> do it,they ask permission to submit later.But we (Indians) used to copy.Yeah,i
> did copy and learnt lessons. :)
>
>
>  Regards,
> Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy.
> --------------
> I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.
> - Confucius.
>
>
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From sharaths at tarangtech.com  Thu Oct 15 11:42:18 2009
From: sharaths at tarangtech.com (Sharath Sama)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:12:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Query regarding  Weekend Meeting
References: <mailman.6105.1255596816.2806.bangpypers@python.org>
Message-ID: <20091015095149.C43D928642@mail.tarangtech.com>

Hi,

My name is Sharath Sama. I am working on python. I am new to this group.I 
have a query regarding meetings
Who can attend meetings, What is the process to attend. Please guide me.

Regards,
Sharath Sama

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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:05:13 +0530
> From: Anand Balachandran Pillai <abpillai at gmail.com>
> To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:43 PM, JAGANADH G <jaganadhg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Pradip Caulagi 
>> <caulagi at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
>>> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Hi all,
>>> >
>>> >     I am proposing a week-end meeting on Sunday at
>>> > ThoughtWorks, Diamond District.
>>> >
>>> > I plan to present a prototype of a project I have been
>>> > working on for the last few weeks which uses OpenCalais
>>> > and NLP to search RSS feeds for very specfic information.
>>> >
>>> > The presentation will cover the basics of OpenCalais
>>> > in the beginning and then present a demo of my
>>> > project (not named yet), and some of the inner
>>> > workings.
>>> >
>>> > I suggest meeting at 3.00-5.00 pm at ThoughtWorks.
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>> Please share the slide for people who is not able to attend the meet.
>>
>
> It is a bit too early to decide on the meeting itself. There have been
> only a couple of thumbs-up so far. This week-end being Diwali
> and all, I need a few more head count before I decide on it.
>
> We can have it if around 7-8 people confirm. Otherwise I will rather
> wait for the next week-end than show it to an audience of 2 or
> 3 people.
>
>
>>
>>
>> --
>> **********************************
>> JAGANADH G
>> http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> From: Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
> To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
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> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> [..]
>> ?It is a bit too early to decide on the meeting itself. There have been
>> ?only a couple of thumbs-up so far. This week-end being Diwali
>> ?and all, I need a few more head count before I decide on it.
>>
>> We can have it if around 7-8 people confirm. Otherwise I will rather
>> ?wait for the next week-end than show it to an audience of 2 or
>> 3 people.
> [..]
>
> Why not do that then? People would have more time to get ready (this
> is quite short notice) and I'd expect a larger audience.
>
>
>
> -- 
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:45:16 +0530
> From: Anand Balachandran Pillai <abpillai at gmail.com>
> To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
>> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>> [..]
>> >  It is a bit too early to decide on the meeting itself. There have been
>> >  only a couple of thumbs-up so far. This week-end being Diwali
>> >  and all, I need a few more head count before I decide on it.
>> >
>> > We can have it if around 7-8 people confirm. Otherwise I will rather
>> >  wait for the next week-end than show it to an audience of 2 or
>> > 3 people.
>> [..]
>>
>> Why not do that then? People would have more time to get ready (this
>> is quite short notice) and I'd expect a larger audience.
>>
>
> We have had meetings at even shorter notices in the past, i.e on Friday
> for a Sat meeting and it has happened.
>
> I will wait till tomorrow afternoon before deciding on this.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ~noufal
>> http://nibrahim.net.in
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
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> From: Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com>
> To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
> abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
>>> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> [..]
>>> >  It is a bit too early to decide on the meeting itself. There have 
>>> > been
>>> >  only a couple of thumbs-up so far. This week-end being Diwali
>>> >  and all, I need a few more head count before I decide on it.
>>> >
>>> > We can have it if around 7-8 people confirm. Otherwise I will rather
>>> >  wait for the next week-end than show it to an audience of 2 or
>>> > 3 people.
>>> [..]
>>>
>>> Why not do that then? People would have more time to get ready (this
>>> is quite short notice) and I'd expect a larger audience.
>>>
>>
>>  We have had meetings at even shorter notices in the past, i.e on Friday
>>  for a Sat meeting and it has happened.
>>
>>  I will wait till tomorrow afternoon before deciding on this.
>>
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ~noufal
>>> http://nibrahim.net.in
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --Anand
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> BangPypers at python.org
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> From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>
> To: ramdaz at gmail.com, "Bangalore Python Users Group - India"
> <bangpypers at python.org>
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> is it only me or is ramdas frequently sending mails without any matter in
> them?
>
> On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 2:06:01 pm Ramdas S wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
>>
>> abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> 
>> > wrote:
>> >> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
>> >> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> [..]
>> >>
>> >> >  It is a bit too early to decide on the meeting itself. There have
>> >> > been only a couple of thumbs-up so far. This week-end being Diwali 
>> >> > and
>> >> > all, I need a few more head count before I decide on it.
>> >> >
>> >> > We can have it if around 7-8 people confirm. Otherwise I will rather
>> >> >  wait for the next week-end than show it to an audience of 2 or
>> >> > 3 people.
>> >>
>> >> [..]
>> >>
>> >> Why not do that then? People would have more time to get ready (this
>> >> is quite short notice) and I'd expect a larger audience.
>> >
>> >  We have had meetings at even shorter notices in the past, i.e on 
>> > Friday
>> >  for a Sat meeting and it has happened.
>> >
>> >  I will wait till tomorrow afternoon before deciding on this.
>> >
>> >> +1
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> ~noufal
>> >> http://nibrahim.net.in
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> BangPypers mailing list
>> >> BangPypers at python.org
>> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>> >
>> > --
>> > --Anand
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > BangPypers mailing list
>> > BangPypers at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
> -- 
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Project Officer
> NRC-FOSS
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
>
>
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> 


From srijayanth at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 12:22:39 2009
From: srijayanth at gmail.com (Srijayanth Sridhar)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:52:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
In-Reply-To: <3d62196a0910150309x7cd02377h94be2b98b07453ef@mail.gmail.com>
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I brought up the same topic a few months ago I think. Basically if you go to
the Ruby forums you'll find that on an average, there's at least one Indian
person a day who asks for solutions. A lot has to do with context and the
way the education system works. There is no active fostering of individual
thought. Everything is by rote, and the greatest example of this is in the
way history is taught. It is in the nature of the subject that history
cannot be taught without inciting curiosity, and yet, they take what should
be an exercise in cultivating curiosity and turn it into a mindless exercise
of remembering dates and figures.

Perhaps what I have listed is not a cause but yet another symptom of a
deeper problem, but I can't talk any more about this without hijacking this
thread and taking it into areas that won't be considered appropriate for
such a forum.

Thank you,

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From ramdaz at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 12:33:50 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:03:50 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Query regarding Weekend Meeting
In-Reply-To: <20091015095149.C43D928642@mail.tarangtech.com>
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Sharath Sama <sharaths at tarangtech.com>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> My name is Sharath Sama. I am working on python. I am new to this group.I
> have a query regarding meetings
> Who can attend meetings, What is the process to attend. Please guide me.
>
> Regards,
> Sharath Sama


Anyone can attend the meeting! There's no process to attend, we are not that
process driven....

Meetings happen at one of the places(usually offices of some company in
Bangalore) and this weekend it's @ Thoughtworks (www.thoughtworks.co.in). In
fact the first meet was graciously hosted by Anand Pillai at a restaurant in
Barton center.

Just to clarify, anyone can call for a meeting at anytime they choose at any
place ( of course people turning up will depend on individual interest, and
also the proximity to the place you choose, as well as the topic of
interest). I believe (correct me if I'm wrong), as long as the topic is
connected to Python the meeting will be deemed as a BangPypers meet.

We have a group's official monthly meetings which was decided for the third
weekend every month, during last month.

One of the core ideas of this group is to have code jams and sprints which
can even be done if two three of us want to at any place like a coffee house
or someone's home. But you can use the group for discussions and also
attract more coders for your hackathons.

Do join this weekend and meet all of us

Thanks
Ramdas
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From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Thu Oct 15 12:40:58 2009
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:10:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Re
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01BB8C9B@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

>>May be we Indians always think the other person to be better or
smarter. To quote from your own post:

>>"Comparatively i have very less exposure and exp as you people have"

I have attended Pycon and observed you
people(noufal,senthil,ShyamShankar,AB,Kenneth) talking 
that's why i said.
 
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From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Thu Oct 15 12:29:32 2009
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:59:32 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why Indians copy
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01BB8C94@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

>Why? That's probably the answer you're looking for.

That was a  big story noufal.To tell in short, I couldn't understand
what they are teaching(in training) me?

they taught entire java in 5 days and  expected to do programming by the
end of it which i couldn't.OOPS was a big ghost to me back then.

I have had no choice than to copy though i disgusted it and felt guilt
of it.i mean this from my heart.

 i was caught  and infy sent me out.

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From b.ghose at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 12:54:58 2009
From: b.ghose at gmail.com (Baishampayan Ghose)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:24:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01BB8C86@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01BB8C86@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
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> Why do indian programmers ask for code in? Usenet (particularly?Google
> groups) ?

Most Indian programmers were never supposed to be programmers. They
simply lack the cognitive skills required to be in the business. Yet
they are the ones who work for large/medium/small software service
companies. So when they face a problem, they have absolutely no clue
as to where to look for solutions. They also have no idea about the
various programming communities and their modus operandi. They just
join some random group and ask for solutions (it's akin to asking for
some software in some shareware group).

The problem is also inside the organisations; people who ask their
seniors questions are deemed to be fools, etc.

I think there is no solution to this specific problem. It's more of a
culture issue. Unless and until parents let their children do whatever
they want and the society treats people from all professions equally,
people will keep flocking into the most fashionable profession of that
decade. Computer programming is on its way out... management is much
more fashionable now; the only difference is that a programmer's work
revolves around the Internet and the Internet never forgets :)

Regards,
BG

-- 
Baishampayan Ghose
b.ghose at gmail.com

From zaki at manian.org  Thu Oct 15 12:58:03 2009
From: zaki at manian.org (Zaki Manian)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:28:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
In-Reply-To: <3d62196a0910150309x7cd02377h94be2b98b07453ef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01BB8C86@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
	<3d62196a0910150309x7cd02377h94be2b98b07453ef@mail.gmail.com>
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Googling or search in general is a skill. There is a lot of contextual
knowledge that we use when composing a search query. One of the most
important  skills when entering a new discipline is learning the appropriate
jargon and using it drive your queries.

Search isn't generally a skill taught in schools. This is sad because it is
probably ur-skill of the 21st century.  But the only way to learn to search
is to do a lot of it. I do find it more common in the East to find
individuals in technical areas who haven't spent time running the thousands
of queries it takes to build up the skill


US number: +1 650-862-5992
Indian Number:+919945111824
Sent from Karnataka, India

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com>wrote:

> May be we Indians always think the other person to be better or smarter. To
> quote from your own post:
>
> "Comparatively i have very less exposure and exp as you  people have"
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy <
> srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
>
>>  Hi list,
>>         This is my first post to the list though  I have been following
>> this list since 7 or 8 months.
>> I have been programming for a 1.5 years or so.Comparatively i have very
>> less exposure and exp as you  people have and
>> please excuse me if u think this is a troll or flame.
>>
>>          I know that this is not related to python, but i can't resist
>> discussing this.
>>
>> Why do indian programmers ask for code in  Usenet (particularly Google
>> groups) ?
>> ,saying that it's very urgent and on top of that they can't even able to
>> put their problem across correctly.In some cases
>> they ask you to send it to their mail ID's.
>>
>>   Having  tried the problem and asking for help is OK.but this is
>> something like disgusting.
>>
>>         I have been following Reddit  and News groups and forums and no
>> matter where ever i go these type of
>> people are there(99% of them are indians).They don't even have the
>> patience to do googling..is copying seeped into our blood??
>>
>>     I have worked at infosys , i have had a chance to work with
>> westerns,they never ever
>> copy their home work(In training ,we used to do assignments and submit at
>> the EOD).They do submit what they did , if they can't
>> do it,they ask permission to submit later.But we (Indians) used to copy.Yeah,i
>> did copy and learnt lessons. :)
>>
>>
>>  Regards,
>> Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy.
>> --------------
>> I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.
>> - Confucius.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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>
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Oct 15 13:13:30 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:43:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
In-Reply-To: <5ead360a0910150322j2eb6facfp2d1c64fe71439bd8@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 3:52:39 pm Srijayanth Sridhar wrote:
> I brought up the same topic a few months ago I think. Basically if you go
> to the Ruby forums

no real programmer goes to forums - they use mailing lists and IRC
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From zaki at manian.org  Thu Oct 15 13:20:04 2009
From: zaki at manian.org (Zaki Manian)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:50:04 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
In-Reply-To: <a9acd2e50910150354q199e76b4q701b8164ad71c6cd@mail.gmail.com>
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	<a9acd2e50910150354q199e76b4q701b8164ad71c6cd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ab74d90d0910150420w545363dcy43d52339718e427@mail.gmail.com>

I frequently speak of the challenge culture poses in doing product
development in India.

But in some sense, culture is a great problem to have. Culture can change
and fairly fast. There are also fantastic opportunities for entrepeneurs so
build microcosms of effective problem solving culture in India.

At the sametime , it is !#@ing hard....


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Indian Number:+919945111824
Sent from Karnataka, India

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Baishampayan Ghose <b.ghose at gmail.com>wrote:

> > Why do indian programmers ask for code in  Usenet (particularly Google
> > groups) ?
>
> Most Indian programmers were never supposed to be programmers. They
> simply lack the cognitive skills required to be in the business. Yet
> they are the ones who work for large/medium/small software service
> companies. So when they face a problem, they have absolutely no clue
> as to where to look for solutions. They also have no idea about the
> various programming communities and their modus operandi. They just
> join some random group and ask for solutions (it's akin to asking for
> some software in some shareware group).
>
> The problem is also inside the organisations; people who ask their
> seniors questions are deemed to be fools, etc.
>
> I think there is no solution to this specific problem. It's more of a
> culture issue. Unless and until parents let their children do whatever
> they want and the society treats people from all professions equally,
> people will keep flocking into the most fashionable profession of that
> decade. Computer programming is on its way out... management is much
> more fashionable now; the only difference is that a programmer's work
> revolves around the Internet and the Internet never forgets :)
>
> Regards,
> BG
>
> --
> Baishampayan Ghose
> b.ghose at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Thu Oct 15 13:20:42 2009
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:50:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me a book
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01BB8CA8@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

Just completed reading the book, "The Coders At Work",It's just an
excellent book and 
It's great to see behind the eye balls of programmers.
Can any one suggest me some other books of such kind?
 
Regards,
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From rmathews at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 13:28:31 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:58:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 3:52:39 pm Srijayanth Sridhar wrote:
>> I brought up the same topic a few months ago I think. Basically if you go
>> to the Ruby forums
>
> no real programmer goes to forums - they use mailing lists and IRC
>
Forums like say, http://stackoverflow.com/ ?
Real programmers like say, Alex Martelli ?

http://stackoverflow.com/users/95810/alex-martelli


Roshan Mathews

From ardsrk at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 13:28:50 2009
From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:58:50 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
In-Reply-To: <200910151643.30879.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
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	<200910151643.30879.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
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But StackOverflow <http://stackoverflow.com/> is changing all that.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 3:52:39 pm Srijayanth Sridhar wrote:
> > I brought up the same topic a few months ago I think. Basically if you go
> > to the Ruby forums
>
> no real programmer goes to forums - they use mailing lists and IRC
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Project Officer
> NRC-FOSS
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
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From rmathews at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 13:29:44 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:59:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me a book
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
<srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
> Just completed reading the book, "The Coders At Work",It's just an excellent
> book and
> It's great to see behind the eye balls of programmers.
> Can any one?suggest me some other books of such kind?
>
http://www.diveintopython.org/
http://www.diveintopython3.org/

HTH :)


Roshan Mathews

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Oct 15 13:35:16 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:05:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2780910150428q472dbcfah3deec86aa95398b3@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 4:58:31 pm Roshan Mathews wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> 
wrote:
> > On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 3:52:39 pm Srijayanth Sridhar wrote:
> >> I brought up the same topic a few months ago I think. Basically if you
> >> go to the Ruby forums
> >
> > no real programmer goes to forums - they use mailing lists and IRC
>
> Forums like say, http://stackoverflow.com/ ?

havent come across that - but I some how do not like forums - something dozey 
about them

> Real programmers like say, Alex Martelli ?

ah - he is my favourite author


-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From vinayakh at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 13:48:07 2009
From: vinayakh at gmail.com (Vinayak Hegde)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:18:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me a book
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01BB8CA8@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
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Beautiful Code
Beautiful Architecture
Masterminds of Programming: Conversations with the Creators of Major
Programming Languages
Hackers and Painters: Big Ideas from the Computer Age
Joel on Software (the book)
The Best Software Writing I: Selected and Introduced by Joel Spolsky

-- Vinayak

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
<srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
> Just completed reading the book, "The Coders At Work",It's just an excellent
> book and
> It's great to see behind the eye balls of programmers.
> Can any one?suggest me some other books of such kind?
>
> Regards,
> Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy.
> --------------
> I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.
> - Confucius.
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Oct 15 13:49:20 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:19:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me a book
In-Reply-To: <38940f3c0910150448o2379a525q54c836430cc9b370@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01BB8CA8@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
	<38940f3c0910150448o2379a525q54c836430cc9b370@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 5:18:07 pm Vinayak Hegde wrote:
> Beautiful Code
> Beautiful Architecture
> Masterminds of Programming: Conversations with the Creators of Major
> Programming Languages
> Hackers and Painters: Big Ideas from the Computer Age
> Joel on Software (the book)
> The Best Software Writing I: Selected and Introduced by Joel Spolsky

just shows what an ass I am - never heard of any of these books. The only 
classic I have read is the one by Varden.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From zaki at manian.org  Thu Oct 15 13:58:47 2009
From: zaki at manian.org (Zaki Manian)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:28:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me a book
In-Reply-To: <38940f3c0910150448o2379a525q54c836430cc9b370@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01BB8CA8@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
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I'm enjoying Real World Haskell and Beautiful Data enormously.



US number: +1 650-862-5992
Indian Number:+919945111824


On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Vinayak Hegde <vinayakh at gmail.com> wrote:

> Beautiful Code
> Beautiful Architecture
> Masterminds of Programming: Conversations with the Creators of Major
> Programming Languages
> Hackers and Painters: Big Ideas from the Computer Age
> Joel on Software (the book)
> The Best Software Writing I: Selected and Introduced by Joel Spolsky
>
> -- Vinayak
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
> <srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
> > Just completed reading the book, "The Coders At Work",It's just an
> excellent
> > book and
> > It's great to see behind the eye balls of programmers.
> > Can any one suggest me some other books of such kind?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy.
> > --------------
> > I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.
> > - Confucius.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From vinayakh at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 14:02:48 2009
From: vinayakh at gmail.com (Vinayak Hegde)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:32:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 3:52:39 pm Srijayanth Sridhar wrote:
>> I brought up the same topic a few months ago I think. Basically if you go
>> to the Ruby forums
>
> no real programmer goes to forums - they use mailing lists and IRC

There are several good forums such as artima, stackoverflow and
javalobby. The process of finding answers is what is important and not
the medium.

I think you would be taken more seriously if you don't spew random
garbage like this.

-- Vinayak

From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 14:05:11 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:35:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me a book
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Zaki Manian <zaki at manian.org> wrote:
> I'm enjoying Real World Haskell and Beautiful Data enormously.

Programming Pearls - Jon Bentley


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 14:06:57 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:36:57 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Vinayak Hegde <vinayakh at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
>> On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 3:52:39 pm Srijayanth Sridhar wrote:
>>> I brought up the same topic a few months ago I think. Basically if you go
>>> to the Ruby forums
>>
>> no real programmer goes to forums - they use mailing lists and IRC
>
> There are several good forums such as artima, stackoverflow and
> javalobby. The process of finding answers is what is important and not
> the medium.

Ubuntuforums has in the past been useful to me. I usually get to the
articles via. a google search rather than directly visiting the forums
though.



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From vinayakh at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 14:08:32 2009
From: vinayakh at gmail.com (Vinayak Hegde)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:38:32 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me a book
In-Reply-To: <ab74d90d0910150458g378cef28xef3901808bbc576d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01BB8CA8@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
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Yeah those two are good too. Other than that I would suggest
"Adventures of a Pythonista in Schemeland"
(http://www.phyast.pitt.edu/~micheles/scheme/TheAdventuresofaPythonistainSchemeland.pdf)
, Little Schemer and seasoned schemer for those who want to learn
functional languages.

-- Vinayak

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Zaki Manian <zaki at manian.org> wrote:
> I'm enjoying Real World Haskell and Beautiful Data enormously.
>
>
>
> US number: +1 650-862-5992
> Indian Number:+919945111824
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Vinayak Hegde <vinayakh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Beautiful Code
>> Beautiful Architecture
>> Masterminds of Programming: Conversations with the Creators of Major
>> Programming Languages
>> Hackers and Painters: Big Ideas from the Computer Age
>> Joel on Software (the book)
>> The Best Software Writing I: Selected and Introduced by Joel Spolsky
>>
>> -- Vinayak
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
>> <srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
>> > Just completed reading the book, "The Coders At Work",It's just an
>> > excellent
>> > book and
>> > It's great to see behind the eye balls of programmers.
>> > Can any one?suggest me some other books of such kind?
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy.
>> > --------------
>> > I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.
>> > - Confucius.
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > BangPypers mailing list
>> > BangPypers at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>> >
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Oct 15 14:06:14 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:36:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
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On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 5:32:48 pm Vinayak Hegde wrote:
> > On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 3:52:39 pm Srijayanth Sridhar wrote:
> >> I brought up the same topic a few months ago I think. Basically if you
> >> go to the Ruby forums
> >
> > no real programmer goes to forums - they use mailing lists and IRC
>
> There are several good forums such as artima, stackoverflow and
> javalobby. The process of finding answers is what is important and not
> the medium.
>
> I think you would be taken more seriously if you don't spew random
> garbage like this.

and so would you if you avoided personal comments
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From sharaths at tarangtech.com  Thu Oct 15 14:07:38 2009
From: sharaths at tarangtech.com (Sharath Sama)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:37:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me a book
References: <mailman.6121.1255606002.2806.bangpypers@python.org>
Message-ID: <20091015121713.B456828642@mail.tarangtech.com>

Hi,
I have gone through "Code Complete by Steve McConnell"  under same 
category.This also good one. read it.

Reagrds,
Sharath Sama


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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:28:03 +0530
> From: Zaki Manian <zaki at manian.org>
> To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
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> Googling or search in general is a skill. There is a lot of contextual
> knowledge that we use when composing a search query. One of the most
> important  skills when entering a new discipline is learning the 
> appropriate
> jargon and using it drive your queries.
>
> Search isn't generally a skill taught in schools. This is sad because it 
> is
> probably ur-skill of the 21st century.  But the only way to learn to 
> search
> is to do a lot of it. I do find it more common in the East to find
> individuals in technical areas who haven't spent time running the 
> thousands
> of queries it takes to build up the skill
>
>
> US number: +1 650-862-5992
> Indian Number:+919945111824
> Sent from Karnataka, India
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit 
> <ardsrk at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> May be we Indians always think the other person to be better or smarter. 
>> To
>> quote from your own post:
>>
>> "Comparatively i have very less exposure and exp as you  people have"
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy <
>> srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  Hi list,
>>>         This is my first post to the list though  I have been following
>>> this list since 7 or 8 months.
>>> I have been programming for a 1.5 years or so.Comparatively i have very
>>> less exposure and exp as you  people have and
>>> please excuse me if u think this is a troll or flame.
>>>
>>>          I know that this is not related to python, but i can't resist
>>> discussing this.
>>>
>>> Why do indian programmers ask for code in  Usenet (particularly Google
>>> groups) ?
>>> ,saying that it's very urgent and on top of that they can't even able to
>>> put their problem across correctly.In some cases
>>> they ask you to send it to their mail ID's.
>>>
>>>   Having  tried the problem and asking for help is OK.but this is
>>> something like disgusting.
>>>
>>>         I have been following Reddit  and News groups and forums and no
>>> matter where ever i go these type of
>>> people are there(99% of them are indians).They don't even have the
>>> patience to do googling..is copying seeped into our blood??
>>>
>>>     I have worked at infosys , i have had a chance to work with
>>> westerns,they never ever
>>> copy their home work(In training ,we used to do assignments and submit 
>>> at
>>> the EOD).They do submit what they did , if they can't
>>> do it,they ask permission to submit later.But we (Indians) used to 
>>> copy.Yeah,i
>>> did copy and learnt lessons. :)
>>>
>>>
>>>  Regards,
>>> Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy.
>>> --------------
>>> I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.
>>> - Confucius.
>>>
>>>
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> On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 3:52:39 pm Srijayanth Sridhar wrote:
>> I brought up the same topic a few months ago I think. Basically if you go
>> to the Ruby forums
>
> no real programmer goes to forums - they use mailing lists and IRC
> -- 
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Project Officer
> NRC-FOSS
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 16:50:04 +0530
> From: Zaki Manian <zaki at manian.org>
> To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
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>
> I frequently speak of the challenge culture poses in doing product
> development in India.
>
> But in some sense, culture is a great problem to have. Culture can change
> and fairly fast. There are also fantastic opportunities for entrepeneurs 
> so
> build microcosms of effective problem solving culture in India.
>
> At the sametime , it is !#@ing hard....
>
>
> US number: +1 650-862-5992
> Indian Number:+919945111824
> Sent from Karnataka, India
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Baishampayan Ghose 
> <b.ghose at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> > Why do indian programmers ask for code in  Usenet (particularly Google
>> > groups) ?
>>
>> Most Indian programmers were never supposed to be programmers. They
>> simply lack the cognitive skills required to be in the business. Yet
>> they are the ones who work for large/medium/small software service
>> companies. So when they face a problem, they have absolutely no clue
>> as to where to look for solutions. They also have no idea about the
>> various programming communities and their modus operandi. They just
>> join some random group and ask for solutions (it's akin to asking for
>> some software in some shareware group).
>>
>> The problem is also inside the organisations; people who ask their
>> seniors questions are deemed to be fools, etc.
>>
>> I think there is no solution to this specific problem. It's more of a
>> culture issue. Unless and until parents let their children do whatever
>> they want and the society treats people from all professions equally,
>> people will keep flocking into the most fashionable profession of that
>> decade. Computer programming is on its way out... management is much
>> more fashionable now; the only difference is that a programmer's work
>> revolves around the Internet and the Internet never forgets :)
>>
>> Regards,
>> BG
>>
>> --
>> Baishampayan Ghose
>> b.ghose at gmail.com
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> Just completed reading the book, "The Coders At Work",It's just an
> excellent book and
> It's great to see behind the eye balls of programmers.
> Can any one suggest me some other books of such kind?
>
> Regards,
> Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy.
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From b.ghose at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 14:10:42 2009
From: b.ghose at gmail.com (Baishampayan Ghose)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:40:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
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>> >> I brought up the same topic a few months ago I think. Basically if you
>> >> go to the Ruby forums
>> >
>> > no real programmer goes to forums - they use mailing lists and IRC
>>
>> Forums like say, http://stackoverflow.com/ ?
>
> havent come across that - but I some how do not like forums - something dozey
> about them

Stackoverflow is not really a forum, it's more like a community Q&A
website. And yes, StackOverflow has more people who work on Windows
technologies.

Regards,
BG

-- 
Baishampayan Ghose
b.ghose at gmail.com

From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 14:17:51 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:47:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me a book
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Vinayak Hegde <vinayakh at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah those two are good too. Other than that I would suggest
> "Adventures of a Pythonista in Schemeland"
> (http://www.phyast.pitt.edu/~micheles/scheme/TheAdventuresofaPythonistainSchemeland.pdf)
> , Little Schemer and seasoned schemer for those who want to learn
> functional languages.

Is the adventures of a Pythonista... the same as was published a while
ago as a series of blog entries?



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From vinayakh at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 14:26:11 2009
From: vinayakh at gmail.com (Vinayak Hegde)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:56:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me a book
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Vinayak Hegde <vinayakh at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yeah those two are good too. Other than that I would suggest
>> "Adventures of a Pythonista in Schemeland"
>> (http://www.phyast.pitt.edu/~micheles/scheme/TheAdventuresofaPythonistainSchemeland.pdf)
>> , Little Schemer and seasoned schemer for those who want to learn
>> functional languages.
>
> Is the adventures of a Pythonista... the same as was published a while
> ago as a series of blog entries?

Yes. It has the content of 30 something blog entries. A PDF is easier
to read than individual pages so I linked to it. I think there are
more blog enrteies coming so the pdf will be updated as well.

-- Vinayak

From vinayakh at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 14:28:23 2009
From: vinayakh at gmail.com (Vinayak Hegde)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:58:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Query regarding Weekend Meeting
In-Reply-To: <20091015095149.C43D928642@mail.tarangtech.com>
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Sharath Sama <sharaths at tarangtech.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> My name is Sharath Sama. I am working on python. I am new to this group.I
> have a query regarding meetings
> Who can attend meetings, What is the process to attend. Please guide me.
>
> Regards,
> Sharath Sama

Anyone can attend a meeting. I think there is one scheduled this
weekend. When starting a new thread don't do reply all to the list or
digest but start a fresh email thread in your client. That will make
it easier for people to answer you rather than getting flamed.

-- Vinayak

From rmathews at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 14:33:12 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:03:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me a book
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Vinayak Hegde <vinayakh at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yeah those two are good too. Other than that I would suggest
>> "Adventures of a Pythonista in Schemeland"
>> (http://www.phyast.pitt.edu/~micheles/scheme/TheAdventuresofaPythonistainSchemeland.pdf)
>> , Little Schemer and seasoned schemer for those who want to learn
>> functional languages.
>
> Is the adventures of a Pythonista... the same as was published a while
> ago as a series of blog entries?
>
Looks like it.

Thanks for the link Vinayak, the blog entries had got bookmarked and
lost in del.icio.us long ago.

Have you read both LS and SS?  Where did you get them?  I borrowed LS
from my brother some time back, but have been stuck at the place they
introduce the Y combinator.  How is SS?

Roshan Mathews

From yuvipanda at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 15:14:54 2009
From: yuvipanda at gmail.com (Yuvi Panda)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:44:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
In-Reply-To: <a9acd2e50910150510j5692d405ybe01e23739a849d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01BB8C86@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
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Most important reason being people joining CS because of fashion and not
because they like it. In my entire class of 68, only 4 joined CS because
they liked it. The rest simply because they didn't want to 'disobey
parents'.

The 'don't question it' culture hurts. 20 people got 90+ in OOP in my class.
None of them know the difference between a class and an object. Not their
fault - I'm not sure the faculty themselves know it. Data Structures in C -
15 people got 90+. Maybe 5 of them know what a pointer is. I am sure the
staff doesn't.

Maybe my sampling is biased, but I don't see 99% of my classmates becoming
programmers. Yet they will end up at some services company (only reappy
knows why) and go on to produce those spectacular posts. Happens all the
time here - nobody here can write code, and finding out ingenious ways to
cheat is considered great.

Maybe I should post a longer rant on my blog.

How was this like before the CS Boom? I'm sure some of you would have
memories...

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Baishampayan Ghose <b.ghose at gmail.com>wrote:

> >> >> I brought up the same topic a few months ago I think. Basically if
> you
> >> >> go to the Ruby forums
> >> >
> >> > no real programmer goes to forums - they use mailing lists and IRC
> >>
> >> Forums like say, http://stackoverflow.com/ ?
> >
> > havent come across that - but I some how do not like forums - something
> dozey
> > about them
>
> Stackoverflow is not really a forum, it's more like a community Q&A
> website. And yes, StackOverflow has more people who work on Windows
> technologies.
>
> Regards,
> BG
>
> --
> Baishampayan Ghose
> b.ghose at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
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http://yuvisense.net
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From yuvipanda at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 15:17:11 2009
From: yuvipanda at gmail.com (Yuvi Panda)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:47:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me a book
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Hey nobody mentioned Pragmatic Programmer? And Paul Graham's essays, while
not a book, are just as good. I personally feel the best writing of the
future will not be the ones printed on dead trees.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Vinayak Hegde <vinayakh at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Yeah those two are good too. Other than that I would suggest
> >> "Adventures of a Pythonista in Schemeland"
> >> (
> http://www.phyast.pitt.edu/~micheles/scheme/TheAdventuresofaPythonistainSchemeland.pdf<http://www.phyast.pitt.edu/%7Emicheles/scheme/TheAdventuresofaPythonistainSchemeland.pdf>
> )
> >> , Little Schemer and seasoned schemer for those who want to learn
> >> functional languages.
> >
> > Is the adventures of a Pythonista... the same as was published a while
> > ago as a series of blog entries?
> >
> Looks like it.
>
> Thanks for the link Vinayak, the blog entries had got bookmarked and
> lost in del.icio.us long ago.
>
> Have you read both LS and SS?  Where did you get them?  I borrowed LS
> from my brother some time back, but have been stuck at the place they
> introduce the Y combinator.  How is SS?
>
> Roshan Mathews
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
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From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 15:37:48 2009
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:07:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me a book
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+1 for *Pragmatic Progammer*

Another classic that on software engineering:
*The Mythical Man-Month: Essays on Software Engineering* by fred brooks
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mythical_Man-Month

Enjoy,Vishal


On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Yuvi Panda <yuvipanda at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey nobody mentioned Pragmatic Programmer? And Paul Graham's essays, while
> not a book, are just as good. I personally feel the best writing of the
> future will not be the ones printed on dead trees.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Vinayak Hegde <vinayakh at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> Yeah those two are good too. Other than that I would suggest
>> >> "Adventures of a Pythonista in Schemeland"
>> >> (
>> http://www.phyast.pitt.edu/~micheles/scheme/TheAdventuresofaPythonistainSchemeland.pdf<http://www.phyast.pitt.edu/%7Emicheles/scheme/TheAdventuresofaPythonistainSchemeland.pdf>
>> )
>> >> , Little Schemer and seasoned schemer for those who want to learn
>> >> functional languages.
>> >
>> > Is the adventures of a Pythonista... the same as was published a while
>> > ago as a series of blog entries?
>> >
>> Looks like it.
>>
>> Thanks for the link Vinayak, the blog entries had got bookmarked and
>> lost in del.icio.us long ago.
>>
>> Have you read both LS and SS?  Where did you get them?  I borrowed LS
>> from my brother some time back, but have been stuck at the place they
>> introduce the Y combinator.  How is SS?
>>
>> Roshan Mathews
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Yuvi Panda T
> http://yuvisense.net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>


-- 
Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre

---

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From shameek09 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 15:40:07 2009
From: shameek09 at gmail.com (shameek ghosh)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:10:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
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Coming back to the main questions.[:)]

1. Why do indian programmers ask for code in  Usenet (particularly Google
groups) ?

How many Indians do you think can actually code?Most can't.They think they
do, but they don't.Think of when we were in college, how many of us actually
worked hard and coded themselves.Morever you dont get awarded/appraised for
coding,  its more about your manager's/teacher's whim.So why do we ask for
code?Hmm.....maybe because statiscally , software servicess companies have a
lot more Indians across the globe.And we want to see ourselves getting
promoted/graded faster/better than our peers.So it doesnt really matter
whether we can code or not.What matters is whether we can talk about that
code(since thts what we blabber in status meeting).What better way is there
than asking for readymade code on some forum?[:P]....Anyway , most companies
swear by status meets rather than actual work.On top of that , code on
forums is free and nobody at your office needs to know that you copied
it.Personally , I think its fine to reuse code , but not before you know
what is happening and you contibute to a forum's discussion.Most people on
forum's are seen asking queries , never really trying to solve something
collaboratively.Asking for help is okay.As far as code is concerned most
people ask for regular code which is lying somewhere in the web.And none of
them really know how to search effectively.

Is copying seeped into our blood?
A:Well , I dont really think copying is bad.

Historically, Indians are also known for reinventing the wheel.Thats what
happened pre-independence and after it for quite some time too.Indian
scientists and mathematicians had rare access to work done
internationally.We lost a lot of mileage then.And its not possible that you
have all the time in the world to write ,code,solve problems.So its
important what you reuse and what you write.Its just that do not reinvent
the wheel each time.There are bigger problems to solve out there.[:)]

This got big and by the time I completed conversations got updated , so now
I might have repeated what  Yuvi and Baishampayan has said although in a
different way.[:)]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Vinayak Hegde <vinayakh at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>
> wrote:
> >> On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 3:52:39 pm Srijayanth Sridhar wrote:
> >>> I brought up the same topic a few months ago I think. Basically if you
> go
> >>> to the Ruby forums
> >>
> >> no real programmer goes to forums - they use mailing lists and IRC
> >
> > There are several good forums such as artima, stackoverflow and
> > javalobby. The process of finding answers is what is important and not
> > the medium.
>
> Ubuntuforums has in the past been useful to me. I usually get to the
> articles via. a google search rather than directly visiting the forums
> though.
>
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
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From vinayakh at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 15:47:25 2009
From: vinayakh at gmail.com (Vinayak Hegde)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:17:25 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
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This is getting really offtopic. I think everyone here has joined this
mailing list for learning Python and helping others do so. No offense
to anyone but can we terminate the discussion here.

Thanks
Vinayak

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:10 PM, shameek ghosh <shameek09 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Coming back to the main questions.[:)]
>
> 1. Why do indian programmers ask for code in? Usenet (particularly?Google
> groups) ?
[SNIP]

From rmathews at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 15:58:48 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:28:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:10 PM, shameek ghosh <shameek09 at gmail.com> wrote:
> ... [:)]
>
> ... [:P]...
> ... [:)]
> ... [:)]
>
Orkut overdose? :)

Roshan Mathews

From rmathews at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 16:00:02 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:30:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Vinayak Hegde <vinayakh at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is getting really offtopic. I think everyone here has joined this
> mailing list for learning Python and helping others do so. No offense
> to anyone but can we terminate the discussion here.
>
Off topic, and the generalizations are a lil offensive.  But then free
speech and all. :)

Roshan Mathews

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 16:33:08 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:03:08 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Vinayak Hegde <vinayakh at gmail.com> wrote:
> > This is getting really offtopic. I think everyone here has joined this
> > mailing list for learning Python and helping others do so. No offense
> > to anyone but can we terminate the discussion here.
> >
> Off topic, and the generalizations are a lil offensive.  But then free
> speech and all. :)\\
>


Moderator, Kindly close this thread



> Roshan Mathews
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From rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 17:50:52 2009
From: rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com (Rajeev J Sebastian)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:20:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why Indians copy
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
<srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
>>Why? That's probably the answer you're looking for.
>
> That was?a ?big story noufal.To tell in short, I couldn't understand what
> they are teaching(in training)?me?
>
> they taught entire java in 5 days and? expected to do programming by the end
> of it which i couldn't.OOPS was a big ghost to me back then.
>
> I have had no choice than to copy though i disgusted it and felt guilt of
> it.i mean this from my heart.
>
> ?i was caught? and infy sent me out.

ROTFL

Regards
Rajeev J Sebastian

From sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 17:58:04 2009
From: sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com (Sidharth Kuruvila)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:28:04 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Introducing the Y Combinator(Not the company)
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AKA The Y Combinator in python. This is in response to Roshan Mathews'
post that he got stuck with the Y Combinator.

Aha a challenge, I shall undertake this as a test of my communication
skillz. :-)

The question is how do we implement a recursive function in a language
in which names can only be bound using a lambda expression eg. Python
without assignment operators and def.

We can solve this problem fairly easily, we pass the function itself
as a parameter. So now any recursive call must include the function as
a parameter too.

    fact = lambda _fact, x: 1 if x == 1 else x * _fact(_fact, x-1)

    print fact(fact, 5)

Or course lambda expressions in python are famously hard to read. So
we'll allow `def` with some restrictions. The code block of a function
definition cannot contain a call to the function itself. This is
because the function name isn't bound at the time the function itself
is defined.

We can rewrite the lambda code as

    def fact(_fact, x):
        if x == 1:
            return 1
        else:
            return x*_fact(_fact, x-1)

    print fact(fact, 5)

There, thats a lot more readable. Having to type `_fact(_fact, x-1)`
is quite irritating especially if the recursive call is made in more
than one place. So we can extract it into a function `f`.

    def fact(_fact, x):
        def f(x):
            return _fact(_fact, x)

        if x == 1:
            return 1
        else:
            return x * f(x-1)

    print fact(fact, 5)

But we still need to define `f` at the top of all our functions. It
makes sense to generalize this pattern so that `f` itself can be
passed as a parameter to fact. This is where the y combinator comes
in.

Ok, now things start to get a bit weird so hang in there.

Here's a definition of y combinator using lambdas, it's not
particularly readable so we'll just ignore it.

    def y(f):
        return ((lambda g: lambda a: f(g(g), a))
                    (lambda g: lambda a: f(g(g), a)))

Let's implement the y combinator using `def` instead.

    def y(f):
        def _y(g):
            def _f(a):
                return f(g(g), a)
            return _f
        return _y(_y)

`_f` accepts parameter `a` and then calls `f` with the parameters
`g(g)` and `a`.  `_y(_y)` bootstraps the whole operation by passing
`_y` to itself to be bound to `g`. `g` is now `_y`, so a call to `g`
will return `_f`.

So now we can implement fact to use the y combinator.

    def fact(f, x):
        if x == 1:
            return 1
        else:
            return x * f(x-1)

    fact = y(fact)

    print fact(5)

ps. I wrote a lisp interpreter using lambda and the bootstrapping
concept some time ago. It's a bit of a brain damaged ugly sister of
the the y combinator.

http://kuruvila.net/2008/02/29/a-one-line-lisp-interpreter/

-- 
I am but a man.

From tejasdinkar at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 19:25:39 2009
From: tejasdinkar at gmail.com (Tejas Dinkar)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:25:39 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
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Hi list,         
        This is my first post to the list though  I have been following this
list since 7 or 8 months.
I have been programming for a 1.5 years or so.Comparatively i have very less
exposure and exp as you  people have and
please excuse me if u think this is a troll or flame.
 
         I know that this is not related to python, but i can't resist
discussing this.
 
Why do indian programmers ask for code in  Usenet (particularly Google groups)
?
,saying that it's very urgent and on top of that they can't even able to put
their problem across correctly.In some cases
they ask you to send it to their mail ID's.
 
  Having  tried the problem and asking for help is OK.but this is something
like disgusting.
 
        I have been following Reddit  and News groups and forums and no matter
where ever i go these type of
people are there(99% of them are indians).They don't even have the patience to
do googling..is copying seeped into our blood??
 
    I have worked at infosys , i have had a chance to work with westerns,they
never ever
copy their home work(In training ,we used to do assignments and submit at the
EOD).They do submit what they did , if they can't
do it,they ask permission to submit later.But we (Indians) used to copy.Yeah,i
did copy and learnt lessons. :)
 
 
Regards,
Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy.
--------------
I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.
- Confucius.

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy sent out 8.1K bytes to say:
> Hi list,         
>         This is my first post to the list though  I have been following this
> list since 7 or 8 months.
> I have been programming for a 1.5 years or so.Comparatively i have very less
> exposure and exp as you  people have and
> please excuse me if u think this is a troll or flame.
>  
>          I know that this is not related to python, but i can't resist
> discussing this.
>  
> Why do indian programmers ask for code in  Usenet (particularly Google groups)
> ?
> ,saying that it's very urgent and on top of that they can't even able to put
> their problem across correctly.In some cases
> they ask you to send it to their mail ID's.
>  
>   Having  tried the problem and asking for help is OK.but this is something
> like disgusting.
>  
>         I have been following Reddit  and News groups and forums and no matter
> where ever i go these type of
> people are there(99% of them are indians).They don't even have the patience to
> do googling..is copying seeped into our blood??
>  
>     I have worked at infosys , i have had a chance to work with westerns,they
> never ever
> copy their home work(In training ,we used to do assignments and submit at the
> EOD).They do submit what they did , if they can't
> do it,they ask permission to submit later.But we (Indians) used to copy.Yeah,i
> did copy and learnt lessons. :)
>  
>  
> Regards,
> Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy.
> --------------
> I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.
> - Confucius.
>  

> _______________________________________________
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Sorry, I just couldn't resist :P
-- 
Tejas Dinkar
http://gja.in

From rmathews at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 20:55:51 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:25:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Introducing the Y Combinator(Not the company)
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Sidharth Kuruvila
<sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com> wrote:
> AKA The Y Combinator in python. This is in response to Roshan Mathews'
> post that he got stuck with the Y Combinator.
>
Thanks, Sidharth, that was very interesting.  Can't say that
it has settled into my head, but the basic idea of passing
to the function Y a function F will return a function F'
that will have F' itself passed to itself as it's first
argument on subsequent calls, is a little less unclear.  The
last sentence barely makes sense to me. :-/

Anyways, in

square = ((lambda f: lambda g: f(g))
          (lambda x: x*x))
print square(3)

we define a lambda (the one that takes f as argument) and
apply it to a value (the second lambda that takes x as
argument).  This clears up the meaning (syntax wise) of Y as
defined by you:

def Y(f):
    return ((lambda g: lambda a: f(g(g), a))
            (lambda g: lambda a: f(g(g), a)))
print Y(lambda factorial, a:
            1 if a == 1
        else a * factorial(a-1))(5)
print Y(lambda length, list:
            0 if list == []
        else (1+length(list[1:])))(range(5))
print Y(lambda fibonacci, n:
            n if n < 2
        else (fib(n-1) + fib(n-2)))(5)

factorial, length, fibonacci are magicaly filled in.

if we tweak Y just a tiny bit:

def Y(f):
    return ((lambda g: lambda *a: f(g(g), *a))
            (lambda g: lambda *a: f(g(g), *a)))
print Y(lambda add, a, b:
            a if b == 0
        else add(a+1, b-1))(3, 4)
print Y(lambda expt, a, b:
            1 if b == 0
        else (a * expt(a, b-1)))(3, 4)

we now get multi arg lambdas which are self aware!  Neat.
Do I understand it?  I'm not sure, maybe I'll know when I
think about it some more.  But thanks for the write-up, I'll
re-read chapter 9* of The Little Schemer again.

Roshan Mathews

* - available at
http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/matthias/BTLS/sample.ps
(page "160", 13 of 26) is where the madness starts.

From srijayanth at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 03:49:04 2009
From: srijayanth at gmail.com (Srijayanth Sridhar)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:19:04 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 3:52:39 pm Srijayanth Sridhar wrote:
> > I brought up the same topic a few months ago I think. Basically if you go
> > to the Ruby forums
>
> no real programmer goes to forums - they use mailing lists and IRC
> --
>
>
Kenneth, no diss, but if you can do something other than being a Draconian
bastard and insulting people, then do it. I am out. This mailing list is
full of grumpy old men.

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From sridhar.ratna at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 04:52:25 2009
From: sridhar.ratna at gmail.com (srid)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:22:25 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
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I wonder if all this can be traced back to India's education system:

"Modern education in India is often criticized for being based on rote
learning rather than problem solving. BusinessWeek denigrates the
Indian curriculum saying it revolves around rote learning.[67] and
ExpressIndia suggests that students are focused on cramming.[68]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_india#Issues

But Ghose raises an important point about it also being a cultural
issue. Heh, wish there was a well-researched Wikipedia article on this
topic!

-srid

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Baishampayan Ghose <b.ghose at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Why do indian programmers ask for code in? Usenet (particularly?Google
>> groups) ?
>
> Most Indian programmers were never supposed to be programmers. They
> simply lack the cognitive skills required to be in the business. Yet
> they are the ones who work for large/medium/small software service
> companies. So when they face a problem, they have absolutely no clue
> as to where to look for solutions. They also have no idea about the
> various programming communities and their modus operandi. They just
> join some random group and ask for solutions (it's akin to asking for
> some software in some shareware group).
>
> The problem is also inside the organisations; people who ask their
> seniors questions are deemed to be fools, etc.
>
> I think there is no solution to this specific problem. It's more of a
> culture issue. Unless and until parents let their children do whatever
> they want and the society treats people from all professions equally,
> people will keep flocking into the most fashionable profession of that
> decade. Computer programming is on its way out... management is much
> more fashionable now; the only difference is that a programmer's work
> revolves around the Internet and the Internet never forgets :)
>
> Regards,
> BG
>
> --
> Baishampayan Ghose
> b.ghose at gmail.com
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 05:01:11 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:31:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> is it only me or is ramdas frequently sending mails without any matter in
> them?
>
>
 I think you didn't see the +1 at the end of the email.

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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Fri Oct 16 05:03:42 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:33:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
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On Friday 16 Oct 2009 8:22:25 am srid wrote:
> I wonder if all this can be traced back to India's education system:
>
> "Modern education in India is often criticized for being based on rote
> learning rather than problem solving. BusinessWeek denigrates the
> Indian curriculum saying it revolves around rote learning.[67] and
> ExpressIndia suggests that students are focused on cramming.[68]"
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_india#Issues
>
> But Ghose raises an important point about it also being a cultural
> issue. Heh, wish there was a well-researched Wikipedia article on this
> topic!

it is cultural - India will only be free when youngsters are confident enough 
to smoke/drink in front of their elders. This same attitude of 'respect' being 
the crucial thing is everywhere. Ask questions? You lose respect by exposing 
your ignorance. Take an unpopular stand - 'you will lose respect if you talk 
rubbish like this'. Basically we worry too much about what other people think 
of us. And do not worry enough about learning new things - even at the cost of 
losing 'respect'. So you copy because you do not want to lose 'respect' by 
failing - and if you do lose respect you hang yourself. In fact I once made a 
remark about RMS, and was told 'at least respect him as an elder'. Why should 
I? He is younger than me ;-)
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From rmathews at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 05:06:35 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:36:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:22 AM, srid <sridhar.ratna at gmail.com> wrote:
> But Ghose raises an important point about it also being a cultural
> issue. Heh, wish there was a well-researched Wikipedia article on this
> topic!
>
There is a hypothesis presented in Malcolm Gladwell's book Outliers,
on cultural factors causing airline accidents.  But then others[1]
disagree, as with most social arguments it's hard to come to any
conclusion.

Makes interesting reading all the same. :)

Roshan Mathews

[1] http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2008/12/05/askthepilot301/

From david.lyon at preisshare.net  Fri Oct 16 05:02:33 2009
From: david.lyon at preisshare.net (David Lyon)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:02:33 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] =?utf-8?q?Why_do_indians_copy=3F?=
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On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:22:25 +0530, srid <sridhar.ratna at gmail.com> wrote:
> I wonder if all this can be traced back to India's education system:
> 
> "Modern education in India is often criticized for being based on rote
> learning rather than problem solving. BusinessWeek denigrates the
> Indian curriculum saying it revolves around rote learning.[67] and
> ExpressIndia suggests that students are focused on cramming.[68]"
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_india#Issues
> 
> But Ghose raises an important point about it also being a cultural
> issue. Heh, wish there was a well-researched Wikipedia article on this
> topic!

Srid,

I'm not Indian - but...

Every other race/nation copies..

Western civilisation is built on inventing and copying...

Europe invented the printing press - what for? mass copying
of ideas. You can't get a more blatent copy machine than that.

Western civilisation could provide india with toilet paper
for every citizen in india simply from how much we photo-copy
each year.

If you have any issue with Indian behaviour, it shouldn't be about
duplication, just recognition.

Outside India, everybody knows Buddha, Gandhi, even Shah Rukh Khan.

Ok - answer this important question (I am Australian):

Which country has the Indian cricket team copied as a base
for it's spin bowling skills?

I bet you can't answer... Because they didn't copy anybody..

they worked it out themselves...

David




From lawgon at thenilgiris.com  Fri Oct 16 05:04:33 2009
From: lawgon at thenilgiris.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:34:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910152001r18b5ea92k6e967e6ddfa62528@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <200910160834.33700.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>

On Friday 16 Oct 2009 8:31:11 am Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> > is it only me or is ramdas frequently sending mails without any matter in
> > them?
>
>  I think you didn't see the +1 at the end of the email.

I saw one with 4'>' characters before it
-- 
regards
kg
http://lawgon.livejournal.com

From rmathews at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 05:12:36 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:42:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
In-Reply-To: <200910160833.42496.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> failing - and if you do lose respect you hang yourself. In fact I once made a
> remark about RMS, and was told 'at least respect him as an elder'. Why should
> I? He is younger than me ;-)
>

Hahaha. :-D

*must avoid antediluvian joke ... must*

Roshan Mathews

From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 05:21:24 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:51:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Query regarding Weekend Meeting
In-Reply-To: <38940f3c0910150528r21dbb7dfhd7f49531785a98a7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.6105.1255596816.2806.bangpypers@python.org>
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Hi Sharath,

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Vinayak Hegde <vinayakh at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Sharath Sama <sharaths at tarangtech.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > My name is Sharath Sama. I am working on python. I am new to this group.I
> > have a query regarding meetings
> > Who can attend meetings, What is the process to attend. Please guide me.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Sharath Sama
>
> Anyone can attend a meeting. I think there is one scheduled this
> weekend. When starting a new thread don't do reply all to the list or
> digest but start a fresh email thread in your client. That will make
> it easier for people to answer you rather than getting flamed.
>

 If you are in the city for the week-end, I suggest you attend this
week-end's
 meeting. You can see how the meetings function and also get to network
 with other Pythonistas in Bangalore.



>
> -- Vinayak
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>


Regards,

-- 
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 05:29:01 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:59:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:

> +1
>

 Thanks. Since this counts to around 6 people, let us have the meeting.
 Hopefully more people will join in on the day.

 I will send another email to confirm this.





> Vishal Sapre
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Srinivasachari <
> srinivasachari2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> Regards,
>> Srinivasachari.
>> Sent from Bangalore, KA, India
>>
>>
>>
Thanks

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From siddharta.lists at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 05:43:06 2009
From: siddharta.lists at gmail.com (Siddharta)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:13:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Introducing the Y Combinator(Not the company)
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Sidharth Kuruvila wrote:
> AKA The Y Combinator in python. This is in response to Roshan Mathews'
> post that he got stuck with the Y Combinator.
>
> Aha a challenge, I shall undertake this as a test of my communication
> skillz. :-)
>   
The Y combinator is quite interesting. I blogged about this a little 
while back - http://siddhi.blogspot.com/2007/08/y-combinator-in-python.html
--
Siddharta Govindaraj

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 05:53:13 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:23:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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On 10/16/09, Anand Balachandran Pillai <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > +1
> >
> >
>
>  Thanks. Since this counts to around 6 people, let us have the meeting.
>  Hopefully more people will join in on the day.
>
>  I will send another email to confirm this.
>

We can meet at TW this Sunday, no problem.

-- Sriram

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 05:57:52 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:27:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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On 10/16/09, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We can meet at TW this Sunday, no problem.

One other thing that we'd discussed the last weekend was how those who
are Python savvy can be a part of the Belenix developer community.

I'd like to showcase some of Belenix - especially the ZFS file system,
and we could all discuss some of the tools that are needed for such a
platform (like storage management software, network administration
tools, etc).

>
> -- Sriram
>

From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 06:20:39 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:50:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com>wrote:

> On 10/16/09, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > We can meet at TW this Sunday, no problem.
>
> One other thing that we'd discussed the last weekend was how those who
> are Python savvy can be a part of the Belenix developer community.
>
> I'd like to showcase some of Belenix - especially the ZFS file system,
> and we could all discuss some of the tools that are needed for such a
> platform (like storage management software, network administration
> tools, etc).
>

 Great, looking forward to this, especially on Python tools to
 inspect/manage ZFS, if any.


>
> >
> > -- Sriram
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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--Anand
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From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 06:22:15 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:52:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Video streaming and video recording of the meet
Message-ID: <49977f270910152122j41aef6a4h9a47cf7a94c6d4d3@mail.gmail.com>

Folks:

Let's assume that we have good bandwidth to stream video.

Let me know what I need to set up here, and I'll see if I can have it
ready by Sunday.

We can also test all this before the meet.

-- Sriram

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Fri Oct 16 07:07:50 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:37:50 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
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On Friday 16 Oct 2009 8:32:33 am David Lyon wrote:
> Western civilisation is built on inventing and copying...

I think you have missed the point - by 'copying' we are talking of 'cheating'
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 07:20:55 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:50:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On 10/16/09, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > We can meet at TW this Sunday, no problem.
>>
>> One other thing that we'd discussed the last weekend was how those who
>> are Python savvy can be a part of the Belenix developer community.
>>
>> I'd like to showcase some of Belenix - especially the ZFS file system,
>> and we could all discuss some of the tools that are needed for such a
>> platform (like storage management software, network administration
>> tools, etc).
>>
>
>  Great, looking forward to this, especially on Python tools to
>  inspect/manage ZFS, if any.
>

Sriram, If it's not an issue can you also bring some latest Belenix CDs.
It'll save some of us bandwidth

>
>> >
>> > -- Sriram
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --Anand
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>


-- 
Ramdas S
+91 9342 583 065
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From ardsrk at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 07:25:42 2009
From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:55:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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+1 from me.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>     I am proposing a week-end meeting on Sunday at
> ThoughtWorks, Diamond District.
>
> I plan to present a prototype of a project I have been
> working on for the last few weeks which uses OpenCalais
> and NLP to search RSS feeds for very specfic information.
>
> The presentation will cover the basics of OpenCalais
> in the beginning and then present a demo of my
> project (not named yet), and some of the inner
> workings.
>
> I suggest meeting at 3.00-5.00 pm at ThoughtWorks.
>
> If we get enough thumbs up, we could plan for one
> more session...
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> --Anand
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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From anurag08priyam at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 07:37:24 2009
From: anurag08priyam at gmail.com (Anurag Priyam)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:07:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me a book
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How come no one mentioned ESR's CatB? I loved it.

 - The Cathedral and the Bazzar by Eric S Raymond

-- 
Anurag Priyam
2nd Year,Mechanical Engineering,
IIT Kharagpur.
+91-9775550642
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From zaki at manian.org  Fri Oct 16 07:42:31 2009
From: zaki at manian.org (Zaki Manian)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:12:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me a book
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Where do people buy programming books in Bangalore? I've got an
International Kindle coming and I have an O'reilly Safari account so those
are my main work around.


US number: +1 650-862-5992
Indian Number:+919945111824
Sent from Karnataka, India

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Anurag Priyam <anurag08priyam at gmail.com>wrote:

> How come no one mentioned ESR's CatB? I loved it.
>
>  - The Cathedral and the Bazzar by Eric S Raymond
>
> --
> Anurag Priyam
> 2nd Year,Mechanical Engineering,
> IIT Kharagpur.
> +91-9775550642
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>
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From lists.amitsaha at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 07:46:05 2009
From: lists.amitsaha at gmail.com (Amit Saha)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:16:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me a book
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Message-ID: <4AD8089D.20308@gmail.com>

Zaki Manian wrote:
> Where do people buy programming books in Bangalore? I've got an
> International Kindle coming and I have an O'reilly Safari account so those
> are my main work around.

You could consider "Crossword" near M.G.Road or "Landmark" at Kormangla 
Forum mall as a repo of all kinds of books.

Also, there is Ganguram on M.G.Road. Compared to the first two, you 
might get discounts here as well.

HTH,
Amit
> 
> 
> US number: +1 650-862-5992
> Indian Number:+919945111824
> Sent from Karnataka, India
> 
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Anurag Priyam <anurag08priyam at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
>> How come no one mentioned ESR's CatB? I loved it.
>>
>>  - The Cathedral and the Bazzar by Eric S Raymond
>>
>> --
>> Anurag Priyam
>> 2nd Year,Mechanical Engineering,
>> IIT Kharagpur.
>> +91-9775550642
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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>>
> 
> 
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From ramdaz at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 07:46:49 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:16:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Video streaming and video recording of the meet
In-Reply-To: <49977f270910152122j41aef6a4h9a47cf7a94c6d4d3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49977f270910152122j41aef6a4h9a47cf7a94c6d4d3@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com>wrote:

> Folks:
>
> Let's assume that we have good bandwidth to stream video.
>
> Let me know what I need to set up here, and I'll see if I can have it
> ready by Sunday.
>
> We can also test all this before the meet
>

Is Baiju around this weekend. I doubt....

>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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From gora at srijan.in  Fri Oct 16 07:49:03 2009
From: gora at srijan.in (Gora Mohanty)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:19:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2780910152006t3f5c5aaxa2decb4562358340@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:36:35 +0530
Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:22 AM, srid <sridhar.ratna at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > But Ghose raises an important point about it also being a
> > cultural issue. Heh, wish there was a well-researched Wikipedia
> > article on this topic!
> >
> There is a hypothesis presented in Malcolm Gladwell's book
> Outliers, on cultural factors causing airline accidents.  But
> then others[1] disagree, as with most social arguments it's hard
> to come to any conclusion.
[...]

Interesting that you should bring that up. I read Outliers a few
months ago, and while it made some interesting points, I was frankly
not very impressed by it, as also another best-selling book with a
somewhat similar outlook, Freakonmics. I think that Gladwell jumps
to conclusions way too readily.

In this particular incident, without any more data than in the book,
I felt that the blame for the crash that Gladwell lays at the feet
of cultural factors affecting the Avianca crew, could have equally
well been pointed the other way: At the "famously rude" New York
ATC. The NTSB report cited in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avianca_Flight_52 is more even-handed.
One of the really scary possibilities is that the crash was because
of a linguistic misunderstanding.

Regards,
Gora

From anandology at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 07:49:42 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:19:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me a book
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Zaki Manian <zaki at manian.org> wrote:
> Where do people buy programming books in Bangalore? I've got an
> International Kindle coming and I have an O'reilly Safari account so those
> are my main work around.

I generally buy books from Tata Book House, IISc. They give 20%
discount on all books.

Recently ordered a book from  www.infibeam.com. They have good
discounts and their service seems to be good.

Anand

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Fri Oct 16 07:56:22 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:26:22 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me a book
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On Friday 16 Oct 2009 11:16:05 am Amit Saha wrote:
> Zaki Manian wrote:
> > Where do people buy programming books in Bangalore? I've got an
> > International Kindle coming and I have an O'reilly Safari account so
> > those are my main work around.
>
> You could consider "Crossword" near M.G.Road or "Landmark" at Kormangla
> Forum mall as a repo of all kinds of books.
>
> Also, there is Ganguram on M.G.Road. Compared to the first two, you
> might get discounts here as well.

I wonder if that other shop on Museum road is still there - with all the books 
piled on top of each other. If it is, go to Gangarams, choose your book, and 
then go to that shop, ask the owner for the book and get a discount.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From rmathews at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 08:06:55 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:36:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
In-Reply-To: <20091016111903.1c061f9d@anubis>
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Gora Mohanty <gora at srijan.in> wrote:
> Interesting that you should bring that up. I read Outliers a few
> months ago, and while it made some interesting points, I was frankly
> not very impressed by it, as also another best-selling book with a
> somewhat similar outlook, Freakonmics. I think that Gladwell jumps
> to conclusions way too readily.
>
The thing that put me off about the book (but I'd still recommend it
as an interesting read) was something he said in the early chapters
about BIll Joy or computers or hackers ... I don't remember
specifically what it was, but I remember thinking that he wasn't
exactly wrong but he wasn't exactly right either.  To have that pilot
say the same thing about Gladwell's views on aviation brings home the
same point.  But then it is pop-non-fiction so you can't expect much
better. :)

Roshan Mathews

From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 08:16:40 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:46:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Video streaming and video recording of the meet
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Folks:
>>
>> Let's assume that we have good bandwidth to stream video.
>>
>> Let me know what I need to set up here, and I'll see if I can have it
>> ready by Sunday.
>>
>> We can also test all this before the meet
>>
>
> Is Baiju around this weekend. I doubt....
>

 I think he mentioned about going to native to visit his family this
weekend...


>
>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Ramdas S
> +91 9342 583 065
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 08:23:19 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:53:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Srijayanth Sridhar <srijayanth at gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:
>
>> On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 3:52:39 pm Srijayanth Sridhar wrote:
>> > I brought up the same topic a few months ago I think. Basically if you
>> go
>> > to the Ruby forums
>>
>> no real programmer goes to forums - they use mailing lists and IRC
>> --
>>
>>
> Kenneth, no diss, but if you can do something other than being a Draconian
> bastard and insulting people, then do it. I am out. This mailing list is
> full of grumpy old men.
>

Please, I request you to stay. How many grumpy old men did you see in this
post. I can barely count one and a half (that is me) ;-)



>
> Jayanth
>
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 08:31:15 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:01:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why Indians copy
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy <
srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:

>  >Why? That's probably the answer you're looking for.
>
> That was a  big story noufal.To tell in short, I couldn't understand what
> they are teaching(in training) me?
>
> they taught entire java in 5 days and  expected to do programming by the
> end of it which i couldn't.OOPS was a big ghost to me back then.
>

 They expect you to be a robot coder for them, spewing out code in systems
 they have taught you to use and in ways they have taught you to think.

 These companies rely on armies of coders each writing a few pieces of huge
 systems, the full workings of which they don't understand. That is all what
 you are supposed to do, i.e be a code machine, one of the cogs in a great
 mechanism that is turning somewhere in the base of a huge machine.

 There is a tendency to over generalize this for all software companies
 in India, but that is not true. There are many companies which produce
 and nurture good developers here, but a good majority falls into the
 software shop category.


> I have had no choice than to copy though i disgusted it and felt guilt of
> it.i mean this from my heart.
>
 i was caught  and infy sent me out.
>
 I pity your position but I can understand it. You clearly did not suit
their system
 of cramming up and retching out. Anyway that is no way to learn coding.

 I am lucky I learned my first steps of programming in a company which
allowed
 me to experiment and often fail, till I learned how to walk without help...



>  Regards,
> Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy.
> --------------
> I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.
> - Confucius.
>
>
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From aneesh.nl at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 10:28:37 2009
From: aneesh.nl at gmail.com (Aneesh A)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:58:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [fsug-tvm] Re: Guess me python game
In-Reply-To: <90c47fb0910150122s7b601749h14e6e911f0ffb07d@mail.gmail.com>
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Find the new edition with some bug fixes and enhancements
2009-10-15  Aneesh  <aneesh.nl at gmail.com>

 * Added clearscreen function.
 * Fixed : Once the high scores are cleared and tried to view the high
scores,
 the IO error is shown.
 * Added Copying
 * Fixed : After clearing the high scores, and playing the game for a win.No
highscores is shown.
 * Removed GNU/Linux specific code. Now multi platform.

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From zoltan.jose at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 08:30:30 2009
From: zoltan.jose at gmail.com (Timmy Jose)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:00:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me a book
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You mean 'Premier Book Shop'? Last time I checked, it was getting pretty
crowded out by the watering hole next door ;-)

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Friday 16 Oct 2009 11:16:05 am Amit Saha wrote:
> > Zaki Manian wrote:
> > > Where do people buy programming books in Bangalore? I've got an
> > > International Kindle coming and I have an O'reilly Safari account so
> > > those are my main work around.
> >
> > You could consider "Crossword" near M.G.Road or "Landmark" at Kormangla
> > Forum mall as a repo of all kinds of books.
> >
> > Also, there is Ganguram on M.G.Road. Compared to the first two, you
> > might get discounts here as well.
>
> I wonder if that other shop on Museum road is still there - with all the
> books
> piled on top of each other. If it is, go to Gangarams, choose your book,
> and
> then go to that shop, ask the owner for the book and get a discount.
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Project Officer
> NRC-FOSS
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
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From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 08:38:16 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:08:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> We can meet at TW this Sunday, no problem.

Time?
-- 
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http://nibrahim.net.in

From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 08:39:26 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:09:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [fsug-tvm] Re: Guess me python game
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Aneesh A <aneesh.nl at gmail.com> wrote:

> Find the new edition with some bug fixes and enhancements
> 2009-10-15  Aneesh  <aneesh.nl at gmail.com>
>
>  * Added clearscreen function.
>  * Fixed : Once the high scores are cleared and tried to view the high
> scores,
>  the IO error is shown.
>  * Added Copying
>  * Fixed : After clearing the high scores, and playing the game for a
> win.No highscores is shown.
>  * Removed GNU/Linux specific code. Now multi platform.
>

 Not bad at all.. Btw I suggest these fixes in next version.

 1. Don't print the number on the screen before play starts :D
 2. Give a range of numbers or the maximum number. It looks like
    100, but you are not telling.

 Once you get it correct,  I suggest you learn pyglet to do it
as a "real game". There was a nice presentation of pyglet in
 PyCon India, which you can use as a guide.


>
> --
> +91 903 755 72 73
>
> For all hardware and software services, Computer assembling, Software
> Installation etc.
> My blog : http://xtenders.blogspot.com/
>
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From ramdaz at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 08:48:48 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:18:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Srijayanth Sridhar <srijayanth at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 3:52:39 pm Srijayanth Sridhar wrote:
>>> > I brought up the same topic a few months ago I think. Basically if you
>>> go
>>> > to the Ruby forums
>>>
>>> no real programmer goes to forums - they use mailing lists and IRC
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>> Kenneth, no diss, but if you can do something other than being a Draconian
>> bastard and insulting people, then do it. I am out. This mailing list is
>> full of grumpy old men.
>>
>
> Please, I request you to stay. How many grumpy old men did you see in this
> post. I can barely count one and a half (that is me) ;-)
>
>
>
>>
>> Jayanth
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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>>
Anand, This thread is getting longer, and is not related to Python.

Please close this thread, and lets get on with other stuff

>
>
> --
> --Anand
>
>
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Fri Oct 16 08:47:13 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:17:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why Indians copy
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On Friday 16 Oct 2009 12:01:15 pm Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> > I have had no choice than to copy though i disgusted it and felt guilt of
> > it.i mean this from my heart.
>
>  i was caught  and infy sent me out.
>
>  I pity your position but I can understand it. You clearly did not suit
> their system
>  of cramming up and retching out. Anyway that is no way to learn coding.
>
>  I am lucky I learned my first steps of programming in a company which
> allowed
>  me to experiment and often fail, till I learned how to walk without
> help...

possibly the fact that he was caught and sent out was a blessing in disguise.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From lawgon at thenilgiris.com  Fri Oct 16 08:47:38 2009
From: lawgon at thenilgiris.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:17:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me a book
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On Friday 16 Oct 2009 12:00:30 pm Timmy Jose wrote:
> You mean 'Premier Book Shop'? Last time I checked, it was getting pretty
> crowded out by the watering hole next door ;-)

yes - Premier.
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regards
kg
http://lawgon.livejournal.com

From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 08:54:02 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:24:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> The thing that put me off about the book (but I'd still recommend it
> as an interesting read) was something he said in the early chapters
> about BIll Joy or computers or hackers ... I don't remember
> specifically what it was, but I remember thinking that he wasn't
> exactly wrong but he wasn't exactly right either. ?To have that pilot
> say the same thing about Gladwell's views on aviation brings home the
> same point. ?But then it is pop-non-fiction so you can't expect much
> better. :)
[..]

I read the book around a month ago. It came across to me as a
glorified readers digest feel good article with some statistics thrown
in to make it a little spicy.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 08:55:47 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:25:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
[..]
> it is cultural - India will only be free when youngsters are confident enough
> to smoke/drink in front of their elders. This same attitude of 'respect' being
> the crucial thing is everywhere. Ask questions? You lose respect by exposing
> your ignorance. Take an unpopular stand - 'you will lose respect if you talk
> rubbish like this'. Basically we worry too much about what other people think
> of us. And do not worry enough about learning new things - even at the cost of
> losing 'respect'. So you copy because you do not want to lose 'respect' by
> failing - and if you do lose respect you hang yourself. In fact I once made a
> remark about RMS, and was told 'at least respect him as an elder'. Why should
> I? He is younger than me ;-)[..]

While introspection and analysis of our 'culture' is a good thing. A
forceful integration from the 'west' is probably not a good idea. I'm
sure they have issues with their 'culture' as well.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From nishith_n at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 16 08:59:07 2009
From: nishith_n at yahoo.com (Nishith Nand)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:29:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me a book
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There's a Book Paradise in Jayanagar, they generally give good discounts. I
generally order books from indiaplaza.in if I am able to find the LPE.
Thanks and Regards,
Nishith

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Timmy Jose <zoltan.jose at gmail.com> wrote:

> You mean 'Premier Book Shop'? Last time I checked, it was getting pretty
> crowded out by the watering hole next door ;-)
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:
>
>> On Friday 16 Oct 2009 11:16:05 am Amit Saha wrote:
>> > Zaki Manian wrote:
>> > > Where do people buy programming books in Bangalore? I've got an
>> > > International Kindle coming and I have an O'reilly Safari account so
>> > > those are my main work around.
>> >
>> > You could consider "Crossword" near M.G.Road or "Landmark" at Kormangla
>> > Forum mall as a repo of all kinds of books.
>> >
>> > Also, there is Ganguram on M.G.Road. Compared to the first two, you
>> > might get discounts here as well.
>>
>> I wonder if that other shop on Museum road is still there - with all the
>> books
>> piled on top of each other. If it is, go to Gangarams, choose your book,
>> and
>> then go to that shop, ask the owner for the book and get a discount.
>> --
>> regards
>> Kenneth Gonsalves
>> Senior Project Officer
>> NRC-FOSS
>> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> --
> Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
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From: ashok.raavi at gmail.com (ashok raavi)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:34:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [fsug-tvm] Re: Guess me python game
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Aneesh A <aneesh.nl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Find the new edition with some bug fixes and enhancements
>> 2009-10-15  Aneesh  <aneesh.nl at gmail.com>
>>
>>  * Added clearscreen function.
>>  * Fixed : Once the high scores are cleared and tried to view the high
>> scores,
>>  the IO error is shown.
>>  * Added Copying
>>  * Fixed : After clearing the high scores, and playing the game for a
>> win.No highscores is shown.
>>  * Removed GNU/Linux specific code. Now multi platform.
>>
>
>  Not bad at all.. Btw I suggest these fixes in next version.
>
>  1. Don't print the number on the screen before play starts :D
>  2. Give a range of numbers or the maximum number. It looks like
>     100, but you are not telling.
>
>  Once you get it correct,  I suggest you learn pyglet to do it
> as a "real game". There was a nice presentation of pyglet in
>  PyCon India, which you can use as a guide.
>

line 116,
      highscore = [score, name, i + 1, getlevel(chance)]
has to be
     highscore = [score, name, i, getlevel(chance)]

you are increasing the chance even when the guess the correct.

>
>
>>
>> --
>> +91 903 755 72 73
>>
>> For all hardware and software services, Computer assembling, Software
>> Installation etc.
>> My blog : http://xtenders.blogspot.com/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --Anand
>
>
>
>
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From punchagan at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 09:08:56 2009
From: punchagan at gmail.com (Puneeth Chaganti)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:38:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me a book
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
<lawgon at thenilgiris.com> wrote:
> On Friday 16 Oct 2009 12:00:30 pm Timmy Jose wrote:
>> You mean 'Premier Book Shop'? Last time I checked, it was getting pretty
>> crowded out by the watering hole next door ;-)
>
> yes - Premier.

It's been shutdown in Feb/March this year.

--
~punchagan

From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 09:11:58 2009
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:41:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why Indians copy
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
<srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
>>Why? That's probably the answer you're looking for.
>
> That was?a ?big story noufal.To tell in short, I couldn't understand what
> they are teaching(in training)?me?
>
> they taught entire java in 5 days and? expected to do programming by the end
> of it which i couldn't.OOPS was a big ghost to me back then.
>
> I have had no choice than to copy though i disgusted it and felt guilt of
> it.i mean this from my heart.
>
> ?i was caught? and infy sent me out.

 Heavens blessed you :)

regards
Vivek

-- 
The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!

From sridhar.ratna at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 09:24:39 2009
From: sridhar.ratna at gmail.com (srid)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:54:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me a book
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On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
<srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
> Just completed reading the book, "The Coders At Work",It's just an excellent
> book and
> It's great to see behind the eye balls of programmers.
> Can any one?suggest me some other books of such kind?

You may like 'Dreaming in Code' which writes about the entire
development process of Chandler, the open source project. The mistakes
in it and such.

-srid

From sharaths at tarangtech.com  Fri Oct 16 09:28:17 2009
From: sharaths at tarangtech.com (Sharath Sama)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:58:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Query regarding Weekend Meeting
References: <mailman.6316.1255663743.2806.bangpypers@python.org>
Message-ID: <20091016073752.DC1DA28652@mail.tarangtech.com>

Hi Friends,

Thanks for the information. I will join in this Sunday's meeting.


Regards,
Sharath sama

> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:51:24 +0530
> From: Anand Balachandran Pillai <abpillai at gmail.com>
> To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Query regarding Weekend Meeting
> Message-ID:
> <8548c5f30910152021n33ee87c1l53e0889864a8f709 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi Sharath,
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Vinayak Hegde <vinayakh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Sharath Sama <sharaths at tarangtech.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > My name is Sharath Sama. I am working on python. I am new to this 
>> > group.I
>> > have a query regarding meetings
>> > Who can attend meetings, What is the process to attend. Please guide 
>> > me.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Sharath Sama
>>
>> Anyone can attend a meeting. I think there is one scheduled this
>> weekend. When starting a new thread don't do reply all to the list or
>> digest but start a fresh email thread in your client. That will make
>> it easier for people to answer you rather than getting flamed.
>>
>
> If you are in the city for the week-end, I suggest you attend this
> week-end's
> meeting. You can see how the meetings function and also get to network
> with other Pythonistas in Bangalore.
>
>
>
>>
>> -- Vinayak
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> -- 
> --Anand


From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 09:40:26 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:10:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
> abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/16/09, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > We can meet at TW this Sunday, no problem.
>>>
>>> One other thing that we'd discussed the last weekend was how those who
>>> are Python savvy can be a part of the Belenix developer community.
>>>
>>> I'd like to showcase some of Belenix - especially the ZFS file system,
>>> and we could all discuss some of the tools that are needed for such a
>>> platform (like storage management software, network administration
>>> tools, etc).
>>>
>>
>>  Great, looking forward to this, especially on Python tools to
>>  inspect/manage ZFS, if any.
>>
>
> Sriram, If it's not an issue can you also bring some latest Belenix CDs.
> It'll save some of us bandwidth
>

+1. I would give it a try, if for nothing only to learn ZFS....


>
>>> >
>>> > -- Sriram
>>> >
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>> BangPypers at python.org
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --Anand
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Fri Oct 16 09:34:58 2009
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:04:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Sudoku solver
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01BB8D55@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

thanks AB and Kenneth.
Yeah, it was a blessing in disguise.I am far far better than  my Infy
friends in programming  :)
I wrote a program to solve the sudoku puzzle .
This is my own program,i never copied and  i didn't even see somebody's
logic even in other programming languages. :)
Comments,improvements  are welcome!!!
 
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ni5lhkmn0nQ/StghQIhf0bI/AAAAAAAAAAM/txjMQic_9l
U/s1600-h/2009-10-16_125017.jpg
http://xorola.wordpress.com/2009/07/27/a-sudoku-solver-program-in-python
/
 
Regards,
Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy.
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From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 09:47:50 2009
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:17:50 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me a book
In-Reply-To: <7c73a13a0910160024y74dc104cr825170fb4ce9a1b7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01BB8CA8@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
	<7c73a13a0910160024y74dc104cr825170fb4ce9a1b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a13a3b480910160047s58088a8tfd44b41778064e4f@mail.gmail.com>

Pardon me because I am going a little off from the main topic of this
thread, but could not resist sending this across...

Having said about Pragmatic Programmer, I was amazed to find that the
pragmatic bookshelf which contains so much about agile development and
dynamic languages...has nothing for Python.
May be because Python is by nature Pragmatic !!!
http://rapd.wordpress.com/category/pragmatic-programming/

http://www.displayofpatience.net/2009/04/the-zen-of-python/

http://blip.tv/file/2081379/ (The [lack of] design patterns in Python -
because they are built into the language !!!)

Enjoy,
Vishal Sapre


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:54 PM, srid <sridhar.ratna at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
> <srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
> > Just completed reading the book, "The Coders At Work",It's just an
> excellent
> > book and
> > It's great to see behind the eye balls of programmers.
> > Can any one suggest me some other books of such kind?
>
> You may like 'Dreaming in Code' which writes about the entire
> development process of Chandler, the open source project. The mistakes
> in it and such.
>
> -srid
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From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 09:49:39 2009
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:19:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me a book
In-Reply-To: <a13a3b480910160047s58088a8tfd44b41778064e4f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01BB8CA8@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
	<7c73a13a0910160024y74dc104cr825170fb4ce9a1b7@mail.gmail.com> 
	<a13a3b480910160047s58088a8tfd44b41778064e4f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a13a3b480910160049y10070d6dudfc9f04adb501d2f@mail.gmail.com>

And this one:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/228181/zen-of-python

And, really sorry if the second link and its choice of words...were
offending.

Vishal


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Pardon me because I am going a little off from the main topic of this
> thread, but could not resist sending this across...
>
> Having said about Pragmatic Programmer, I was amazed to find that the
> pragmatic bookshelf which contains so much about agile development and
> dynamic languages...has nothing for Python.
> May be because Python is by nature Pragmatic !!!
> http://rapd.wordpress.com/category/pragmatic-programming/
>
> http://www.displayofpatience.net/2009/04/the-zen-of-python/
>
> http://blip.tv/file/2081379/ (The [lack of] design patterns in Python -
> because they are built into the language !!!)
>
> Enjoy,
> Vishal Sapre
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:54 PM, srid <sridhar.ratna at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
>> <srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
>> > Just completed reading the book, "The Coders At Work",It's just an
>> excellent
>> > book and
>> > It's great to see behind the eye balls of programmers.
>> > Can any one suggest me some other books of such kind?
>>
>> You may like 'Dreaming in Code' which writes about the entire
>> development process of Chandler, the open source project. The mistakes
>> in it and such.
>>
>> -srid
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>


-- 
Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre

---

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!!!"
"A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else.
Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
"Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Fri Oct 16 11:30:24 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:00:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] dabo
Message-ID: <200910161500.24350.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

hi,

thought I would take a break from the web and refresh my gui skills - came 
across dabo - anyone got anything to say about it?
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From murty_murty at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 16 12:15:08 2009
From: murty_murty at yahoo.com (M.V.Ramana Murty)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:15:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
In-Reply-To: <622dd64f5105fd455dd8ab521b1cbb25@preisshare.net>
Message-ID: <910820.87038.qm@web52107.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

David Lyon,

Many thanks for the kind reply from Australia. I fully agree with you. I think copying, like corruption, is every where now and in the past, will be there in future also. Copying per se
is not a problem, but making it appear once achievement is a problem ( many scientific inventions have this controversy of copying, idea stealing... Form Markoni to Einstein.) and by doing so cheating one to himself is the problem.

I am ok with copying entire codebase of an application and understand it thoroughly but one should keep improving it fast and make it more powerful and elegant is the thing to do ( I am not referring to Microsoft :-). This is tantamount to Innovation (many confuse invention to innovation.. innovation is incremental improvement from and earlier invention, say the wheel ?).Most of the innovations are black swans, came to us by luck and from there great guys have taken to next level.? 

So, Copying is not a problem, stopping there is a problem, cheating himself and others with the copy is a regressive.
?
Thanks and Regards 
MVR.Murty

--- On Fri, 10/16/09, David Lyon <david.lyon at preisshare.net> wrote:

From: David Lyon <david.lyon at preisshare.net>
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
To: "Bangalore Python Users Group - India" <bangpypers at python.org>
Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 8:32 AM

On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:22:25 +0530, srid <sridhar.ratna at gmail.com> wrote:
> I wonder if all this can be traced back to India's education system:
> 
> "Modern education in India is often criticized for being based on rote
> learning rather than problem solving. BusinessWeek denigrates the
> Indian curriculum saying it revolves around rote learning.[67] and
> ExpressIndia suggests that students are focused on cramming.[68]"
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_india#Issues
> 
> But Ghose raises an important point about it also being a cultural
> issue. Heh, wish there was a well-researched Wikipedia article on this
> topic!

Srid,

I'm not Indian - but...

Every other race/nation copies..

Western civilisation is built on inventing and copying...

Europe invented the printing press - what for? mass copying
of ideas. You can't get a more blatent copy machine than that.

Western civilisation could provide india with toilet paper
for every citizen in india simply from how much we photo-copy
each year.

If you have any issue with Indian behaviour, it shouldn't be about
duplication, just recognition.

Outside India, everybody knows Buddha, Gandhi, even Shah Rukh Khan.

Ok - answer this important question (I am Australian):

Which country has the Indian cricket team copied as a base
for it's spin bowling skills?

I bet you can't answer... Because they didn't copy anybody..

they worked it out themselves...

David



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From yuvipanda at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 12:37:48 2009
From: yuvipanda at gmail.com (Yuvi Panda)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:07:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] MongoDB Users anyone?
Message-ID: <45ec909c0910160337l7e93e346jefb00b87c77a7126@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone has any experience with MongoDB? I've been checking it out for the
past hour or so and it seems pretty darn good. Personal painful experiences?
A Google Search for MongoDB sucks doesn't turn up anything useful, so I'm
not sure if this one is used by anyone other than jobless college kids like
me?

-- 
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From zaki at manian.org  Fri Oct 16 12:54:29 2009
From: zaki at manian.org (Zaki Manian)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:24:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] MongoDB Users anyone?
In-Reply-To: <45ec909c0910160337l7e93e346jefb00b87c77a7126@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45ec909c0910160337l7e93e346jefb00b87c77a7126@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ab74d90d0910160354p145c37catf5bf0d22053faaf@mail.gmail.com>

I'm very interested in the whole NoSQL movement.

I've looked at MongoDB. It seems like  a very cool implementation.

Union Square Ventures just made an investment in hosted MongoDB enivornment
http://www.10gen.com/

NoSQL databases seem to be differentiating among different use cases.

Riak and Cassandra for extremely large data.

MongoDB and Tokyo Cabinet for moderate data sizes and lots of speed.

CouchDB for the unique online/offline replication feature.

I would think Mongo DB would be very useful in any application where you
want to do lots of queries to build every view such as any newfeed style
feature.

One big difference from the SQL databases is that all your data manipulation
needs to be done in your application logic. In SQL databases, you can rely
on the database for sort, filter, join.





US number: +1 650-862-5992
Indian Number:+919945111824


On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Yuvi Panda <yuvipanda at gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyone has any experience with MongoDB? I've been checking it out for the
> past hour or so and it seems pretty darn good. Personal painful experiences?
> A Google Search for MongoDB sucks doesn't turn up anything useful, so I'm
> not sure if this one is used by anyone other than jobless college kids like
> me?
>
> --
> Yuvi Panda T
> http://yuvi.in/blog
>
>
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From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 13:09:08 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:39:08 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Video uploads
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910160409k37a60b94j1adc80d4b1400dc6@mail.gmail.com>

Can the folks who took the conference DVDs from the last user group
meeting please upload them if the audio quality is good? If you need
the username/password, please contact me offlist.

Thanks.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From kunalkantsen at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 13:33:16 2009
From: kunalkantsen at gmail.com (kunalkant sen)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:03:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910160040s16e08849lf2d067af060f4b2b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30910142312y4c24c1few3b70386fe04be8c8@mail.gmail.com> 
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	<49977f270910152053j6839419co94398c7212822f18@mail.gmail.com> 
	<49977f270910152057x3bd8c1d6gadd40f6c28dc8004@mail.gmail.com> 
	<8548c5f30910152120u4b18354araba3e6037c68adb7@mail.gmail.com> 
	<6e38f9f00910152220u209cf547u3c92c1cd71b9d330@mail.gmail.com> 
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Sounds Interesting.

I will be there to learn more from you guys.

Kunal
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
>> abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/16/09, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > We can meet at TW this Sunday, no problem.
>>>>
>>>> One other thing that we'd discussed the last weekend was how those who
>>>> are Python savvy can be a part of the Belenix developer community.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to showcase some of Belenix - especially the ZFS file system,
>>>> and we could all discuss some of the tools that are needed for such a
>>>> platform (like storage management software, network administration
>>>> tools, etc).
>>>>
>>>
>>>  Great, looking forward to this, especially on Python tools to
>>>  inspect/manage ZFS, if any.
>>>
>>
>> Sriram, If it's not an issue can you also bring some latest Belenix CDs.
>> It'll save some of us bandwidth
>>
>
> +1. I would give it a try, if for nothing only to learn ZFS....
>
>
>>
>>>> >
>>>> > -- Sriram
>>>> >
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --Anand
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ramdas S
>> +91 9342 583 065
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --Anand
>
>
>
>
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From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 13:45:10 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:15:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
In-Reply-To: <63eb47a20910160433h7f2c73f4u6e63ac9b5d50ac8a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8548c5f30910142312y4c24c1few3b70386fe04be8c8@mail.gmail.com>
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3 to 5 isn't it?

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 15:05:25 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 18:35:25 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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	<49977f270910152057x3bd8c1d6gadd40f6c28dc8004@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910152120u4b18354araba3e6037c68adb7@mail.gmail.com>
	<6e38f9f00910152220u209cf547u3c92c1cd71b9d330@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910160040s16e08849lf2d067af060f4b2b@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <6e38f9f00910160605j441cd5b7s338b4118aa6f70a6@mail.gmail.com>

yes, it is

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> 3 to 5 isn't it?
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
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From carl at personnelware.com  Fri Oct 16 16:39:05 2009
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:39:05 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Video streaming and video recording of the meet
In-Reply-To: <549053140910160736w1357211pe4286af4ebf9bdad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49977f270910152122j41aef6a4h9a47cf7a94c6d4d3@mail.gmail.com>
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http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki?title=Category:DebConf8/Videoteam&oldid=6093

Click around, they have done it well and documented verry well.  I can
answer questions.

On Oct 15, 2009 11:22 PM, "Sriram Narayanan" <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:

Folks:

Let's assume that we have good bandwidth to stream video.

Let me know what I need to set up here, and I'll see if I can have it
ready by Sunday.

We can also test all this before the meet.

-- Sriram
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From rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 18:28:47 2009
From: rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com (Rajeev J Sebastian)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:58:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/16/09, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> We can meet at TW this Sunday, no problem.
>
> One other thing that we'd discussed the last weekend was how those who
> are Python savvy can be a part of the Belenix developer community.

Does it use python the way Pardus uses it ? Like the init system,
service manager, package manager, etc.

Regards
Rajeev J Sebastian

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 18:58:58 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:28:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
In-Reply-To: <79a035420910160928i793db774vbf52cd59f8f08757@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian
<rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 10/16/09, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> We can meet at TW this Sunday, no problem.
>>
>> One other thing that we'd discussed the last weekend was how those who
>> are Python savvy can be a part of the Belenix developer community.
>
> Does it use python the way Pardus uses it ? Like the init system,
> service manager, package manager, etc.

Err.. No. Belenix is a distro that is based on the opensolaris ON
(operating system + network), uses KDE, aims to be an appealing
desktop to the user and to the developer, and has been the basis of
Sun;s OpenSolaris distro. We're working toward using a free toolchain,
and apart from the kernel and Firefox, everything else on Belenix has
been built using GCC 4.4.1.

Since we're a KDE based distro, we're users of the QT framework. At
the moment, KDE on Belenix is not Solaris - aware. That is, KDE
components do not have Solaris specific functionality such as
management of file systems, UI for the seriously amazing networking
stack, support for Zones and RBAC, etc. From a service side, there is
a lack of web based management /REST interfaces to administering the
system. Interesting and useful tasks would be to create management
interfaces for file systems, network stacks, observability, and
similar tools that would make the life of sysadmins easier.

These are projects that we as BangPypers can undertake, and learn a
lot in the process.

-- Sriram

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 19:16:12 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:46:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian
> <rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> On 10/16/09, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> We can meet at TW this Sunday, no problem.
> >>
> >> One other thing that we'd discussed the last weekend was how those who
> >> are Python savvy can be a part of the Belenix developer community.
> >
> > Does it use python the way Pardus uses it ? Like the init system,
> > service manager, package manager, etc.
>
> Err.. No. Belenix is a distro that is based on the opensolaris ON
> (operating system + network), uses KDE, aims to be an appealing
> desktop to the user and to the developer, and has been the basis of
> Sun;s OpenSolaris distro. We're working toward using a free toolchain,
> and apart from the kernel and Firefox, everything else on Belenix has
> been built using GCC 4.4.1.
>
> Since we're a KDE based distro, we're users of the QT framework. At
> the moment, KDE on Belenix is not Solaris - aware. That is, KDE
> components do not have Solaris specific functionality such as
> management of file systems, UI for the seriously amazing networking
> stack, support for Zones and RBAC, etc. From a service side, there is
> a lack of web based management /REST interfaces to administering the
> system. Interesting and useful tasks would be to create management
> interfaces for file systems, network stacks, observability, and
> similar tools that would make the life of sysadmins easier.
>
> These are projects that we as BangPypers can undertake, and learn a
> lot in the process.
>
> -- Sriram
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

What abt LiveCDs?

-- 
Ramdas S
+91 9342 583 065
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From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 19:38:19 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:08:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:[..]

> What abt LiveCDs?[..]

Even a CD image which we can copy over would be cool.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 19:49:55 2009
From: rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com (Rajeev J Sebastian)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:19:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian
> <rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 10/16/09, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We can meet at TW this Sunday, no problem.
>>>
>>> One other thing that we'd discussed the last weekend was how those who
>>> are Python savvy can be a part of the Belenix developer community.
>>
>> Does it use python the way Pardus uses it ? Like the init system,
>> service manager, package manager, etc.
>
> Err.. No. Belenix is a distro that is based on the opensolaris ON
> (operating system + network), uses KDE, aims to be an appealing
> desktop to the user and to the developer, and has been the basis of
> Sun;s OpenSolaris distro. We're working toward using a free toolchain,
> and apart from the kernel and Firefox, everything else on Belenix has
> been built using GCC 4.4.1.
>
> Since we're a KDE based distro, we're users of the QT framework. At
> the moment, KDE on Belenix is not Solaris - aware. That is, KDE
> components do not have Solaris specific functionality such as
> management of file systems, UI for the seriously amazing networking
> stack, support for Zones and RBAC, etc. From a service side, there is
> a lack of web based management /REST interfaces to administering the
> system. Interesting and useful tasks would be to create management
> interfaces for file systems, network stacks, observability, and
> similar tools that would make the life of sysadmins easier.
>
> These are projects that we as BangPypers can undertake, and learn a
> lot in the process.

Blah blah blah ... yes I know its Solaris etc.

Question is, are there are specific Belenix components written in
Python, as in Pardus Linux which uses Python extensively ? Or was that
a call to developers to create new tools using python ?

Regards
Rajeev J Sebastian

PS: You wrote above re the management tools; Pardus has a tool thats
being developed and used at Turkey's Ministry of Defence to
administrate Pardus desktops, servers and networks (its called Ahenk,
developed in Python and available in the pardus svn).

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 20:20:27 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:50:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Unstructured data and python
Message-ID: <6e38f9f00910161120o5253e903s95c6f7793fcba659@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone worked/seen any project which involves migrating unstructured
data, mostly text files to a reasonably indexed databas preferably written
in Python or has Python APIs.
I am even ok if its commercial project.

FOSS will be good......

-- 
Ramdas S
+91 9342 583 065
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From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 20:29:49 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:59:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian
<rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian
>> <rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 10/16/09, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We can meet at TW this Sunday, no problem.
>>>>
>>>> One other thing that we'd discussed the last weekend was how those who
>>>> are Python savvy can be a part of the Belenix developer community.
>>>
>>> Does it use python the way Pardus uses it ? Like the init system,
>>> service manager, package manager, etc.
>>
>> Err.. No. Belenix is a distro that is based on the opensolaris ON
>> (operating system + network), uses KDE, aims to be an appealing
>> desktop to the user and to the developer, and has been the basis of
>> Sun;s OpenSolaris distro. We're working toward using a free toolchain,
>> and apart from the kernel and Firefox, everything else on Belenix has
>> been built using GCC 4.4.1.
>>
>> Since we're a KDE based distro, we're users of the QT framework. At
>> the moment, KDE on Belenix is not Solaris - aware. That is, KDE
>> components do not have Solaris specific functionality such as
>> management of file systems, UI for the seriously amazing networking
>> stack, support for Zones and RBAC, etc. From a service side, there is
>> a lack of web based management /REST interfaces to administering the
>> system. Interesting and useful tasks would be to create management
>> interfaces for file systems, network stacks, observability, and
>> similar tools that would make the life of sysadmins easier.
>>
>> These are projects that we as BangPypers can undertake, and learn a
>> lot in the process.
>
> Blah blah blah ... yes I know its Solaris etc.

My response was to the larger community, and not to just you :)

>
> Question is, are there are specific Belenix components written in
> Python, as in Pardus Linux which uses Python extensively ? Or was that
> a call to developers to create new tools using python ?
>

There is our stop gap package manager which we wrote since we needed
to move away from something called pkg-get. We're now considering
using rpm5 as our package format, with the smart package manager being
the package manager of choice.

When we'd last met at Thoughtworks last weekend, I'd mentioned that
the Belenix project would

> Regards
> Rajeev J Sebastian
>
> PS: You wrote above re the management tools; Pardus has a tool thats
> being developed and used at Turkey's Ministry of Defence to
> administrate Pardus desktops, servers and networks (its called Ahenk,
> developed in Python and available in the pardus svn).

After I responded to you previously, I've been reading more about Pardus.
At present, Belenix uses what Solaris has for service management -
SMF. Apart from the temporary package manager that I wrote about,
we've not written anything else using Python for Belenix. We're either
busy with work, or with porting and testing software packages to
Belenix.

The lead Belenix developer has been working on porting something
called Func to Belenix (https://fedorahosted.org/func/). I myself use
puppet (ruby based) at work.

I will read more on Ahenk tonight.

> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 20:30:37 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:00:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:[..]
>
>> What abt LiveCDs?[..]
>
> Even a CD image which we can copy over would be cool.
>

I'll have some  CDs and Virtual Box images around. In case anyone
wants to have Belenix installed onto their laptop, let me know.

>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From ctrachte at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 20:31:13 2009
From: ctrachte at gmail.com (Carl Trachte)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:31:13 -0600
Subject: [BangPypers] Unstructured data and python
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00910161120o5253e903s95c6f7793fcba659@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6e38f9f00910161120o5253e903s95c6f7793fcba659@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <426ada670910161131j1e98a690v922e090d8a049bb4@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/16/09, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:
> Has anyone worked/seen any project which involves migrating unstructured
> data, mostly text files to a reasonably indexed databas preferably written
> in Python or has Python APIs.
> I am even ok if its commercial project.
>

FWIW, when I worked in a Microsoft SQL environment, I used DTS for SQL
7 or 2000 with the win32com modules and SSIS for with IronPython for
later versions.

It was usually a standard process of glueing together a bunch of data
in a csv file with Python, then automating the DTS or SSIS program to
dump the data to a database table or series of tables.

You could probably do something similar with MySQL or Postgres.  The
hard part was always writing the Python to do the situation-specific
initial crunch of the data.

Carl T.

From rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 20:36:18 2009
From: rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com (Rajeev J Sebastian)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:06:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian
> <rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian
>>> <rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 10/16/09, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We can meet at TW this Sunday, no problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> One other thing that we'd discussed the last weekend was how those who
>>>>> are Python savvy can be a part of the Belenix developer community.
>>>>
>>>> Does it use python the way Pardus uses it ? Like the init system,
>>>> service manager, package manager, etc.
>>>
>>> Err.. No. Belenix is a distro that is based on the opensolaris ON
>>
>> Blah blah blah ... yes I know its Solaris etc.
>
> My response was to the larger community, and not to just you :)


That's probably why you started your response with an "Err ... No" right ?


>>
>> Question is, are there are specific Belenix components written in
>> Python, as in Pardus Linux which uses Python extensively ? Or was that
>> a call to developers to create new tools using python ?
>>
>
> There is our stop gap package manager which we wrote since we needed
> to move away from something called pkg-get. We're now considering
> using rpm5 as our package format, with the smart package manager being
> the package manager of choice.
>
> When we'd last met at Thoughtworks last weekend, I'd mentioned that
> the Belenix project would

Would what ?


> After I responded to you previously, I've been reading more about Pardus.
> At present, Belenix uses what Solaris has for service management -
> SMF. Apart from the temporary package manager that I wrote about,
> we've not written anything else using Python for Belenix. We're either
> busy with work, or with porting and testing software packages to
> Belenix.

So basically, you made a call for *developers* for Belenix (as opposed
to *Python developers*). I was trying to clarify that point.

Regards
Rajeev J Sebastian

From rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 20:37:23 2009
From: rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com (Rajeev J Sebastian)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:07:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:[..]
>>
>>> What abt LiveCDs?[..]
>>
>> Even a CD image which we can copy over would be cool.
>>
>
> I'll have some ?CDs and Virtual Box images around. In case anyone
> wants to have Belenix installed onto their laptop, let me know.

I would like to have a VBox image. Is it downloadable from somewhere,
or can you make it so ?

Regards
Rajeev J Sebastian

From pradeep at btbytes.com  Fri Oct 16 20:47:48 2009
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:47:48 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] Unstructured data and python
In-Reply-To: <426ada670910161131j1e98a690v922e090d8a049bb4@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Carl Trachte <ctrachte at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 10/16/09, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Has anyone worked/seen any project which involves migrating unstructured
>> data, mostly text files to a reasonably indexed databas preferably written
>> in Python or has Python APIs.
>> I am even ok if its commercial project.
>>
>
> FWIW, when I worked in a Microsoft SQL environment, I used DTS for SQL
> 7 or 2000 with the win32com modules and SSIS for with IronPython for
> later versions.
>
> It was usually a standard process of glueing together a bunch of data
> in a csv file with Python, then automating the DTS or SSIS program to
> dump the data to a database table or series of tables.
>
> You could probably do something similar with MySQL or Postgres. ?The
> hard part was always writing the Python to do the situation-specific
> initial crunch of the data.

I believe what you are looking for is a an ETL (extraction,
tranformation and loading) application.
It can be as simple as couple of python scripts, especially if it is a
one-off job.
You can use web.py's sql module or sqlalchemy(more work..) to generate
sql statements, if you don't
like writing sql statements yourself.


If the data loading/cleaning/transformation has to be on a regular
basis, you may want to investigate
something like http://www.pentaho.com/products/data_integration/. I
have had fairly decent
success with using Pentaho Chef suite (link above) in doing ETL for
telco OLTP data with postgresql as the destination DB.

+PG

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 20:54:25 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:24:25 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Rajeev J Sebastian
<rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com> wrote:
>> My response was to the larger community, and not to just you :)
>
>
> That's probably why you started your response with an "Err ... No" right ?
>

Rajeev, My "Err..no" was to you, and the remainder of my explanation
was to all on the list (including you).

Please let me know if you expected some other form of response so that
I can avoid mis communication and confusion in future.

>> When we'd last met at Thoughtworks last weekend, I'd mentioned that
>> the Belenix project would
>
> Would what ?
>

Sorry, I seem to have hit "Send" too early.

I'd mentioned that the Belenix project would be of interest to
programmers who use Python, both as a development platform, as well as
an open source project to which we could all contribute to.

>
>> After I responded to you previously, I've been reading more about Pardus.
>> At present, Belenix uses what Solaris has for service management -
>> SMF. Apart from the temporary package manager that I wrote about,
>> we've not written anything else using Python for Belenix. We're either
>> busy with work, or with porting and testing software packages to
>> Belenix.
>
> So basically, you made a call for *developers* for Belenix (as opposed
> to *Python developers*). I was trying to clarify that point.
>

My messaging is about an opportunity for Python programmers who'd like
to write apps for a new (to some of us) platform. Python based code
that would be written for KDE would be usable on KDE on Solaris and
not just on Belenix.

Some such apps could be -> adding ZFS awareness to Konqueror, or a
pyQT based app that would be better than TimeMachine, or ensuring that
kpackage and the smart package manager both work correctly on the
opensolaris platform.

Developing for Belenix in specific would involve activities such as:
- ensuring that rpm5 runs on Belenix
- cleaning up and refactoring spec files to be smaller and to have the
right version numbering.

I look forward to meeting you.

> Regards
> Rajeev J Sebastian
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 20:57:09 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:27:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:07 AM, Rajeev J Sebastian
<rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'll have some ?CDs and Virtual Box images around. In case anyone
>> wants to have Belenix installed onto their laptop, let me know.
>
> I would like to have a VBox image. Is it downloadable from somewhere,
> or can you make it so ?
>

We presently have an ISO image for our build released last year, and a
network based installer that installed Belenix into any opensolaris
based distro. We've not yet begun work on creating an ISO image for
our latest KDE 4.3.1 based work.

We have VirtualBox images on our computers and we're still testing
these. I'll try to have these uploaded to our website so that all can
download and try out the latest Belenix.

> Regards
> Rajeev J Sebastian
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 21:01:43 2009
From: rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com (Rajeev J Sebastian)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 00:31:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
> We have VirtualBox images on our computers and we're still testing
> these. I'll try to have these uploaded to our website so that all can
> download and try out the latest Belenix.

Great. Looking forward to that.

Regards
Rajeev J Sebastian

From abpillai at gmail.com  Sat Oct 17 07:06:00 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:36:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:24 AM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Rajeev J Sebastian
> <rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> My response was to the larger community, and not to just you :)
> >
> >
> > That's probably why you started your response with an "Err ... No" right
> ?
> >
>
> Rajeev, My "Err..no" was to you, and the remainder of my explanation
> was to all on the list (including you).
>
> Please let me know if you expected some other form of response so that
> I can avoid mis communication and confusion in future.
>
> >> When we'd last met at Thoughtworks last weekend, I'd mentioned that
> >> the Belenix project would
> >
> > Would what ?
> >
>
> Sorry, I seem to have hit "Send" too early.
>
> I'd mentioned that the Belenix project would be of interest to
> programmers who use Python, both as a development platform, as well as
> an open source project to which we could all contribute to.
>
> >
> >> After I responded to you previously, I've been reading more about
> Pardus.
> >> At present, Belenix uses what Solaris has for service management -
> >> SMF. Apart from the temporary package manager that I wrote about,
> >> we've not written anything else using Python for Belenix. We're either
> >> busy with work, or with porting and testing software packages to
> >> Belenix.
> >
> > So basically, you made a call for *developers* for Belenix (as opposed
> > to *Python developers*). I was trying to clarify that point.
> >
>
> My messaging is about an opportunity for Python programmers who'd like
> to write apps for a new (to some of us) platform. Python based code
> that would be written for KDE would be usable on KDE on Solaris and
> not just on Belenix.
>
> Some such apps could be -> adding ZFS awareness to Konqueror, or a
> pyQT based app that would be better than TimeMachine, or ensuring that
> kpackage and the smart package manager both work correctly on the
> opensolaris platform.
>
> Developing for Belenix in specific would involve activities such as:
> - ensuring that rpm5 runs on Belenix
> - cleaning up and refactoring spec files to be smaller and to have the
> right version numbering.
>
> I look forward to meeting you.
>

Ok, all that text and....

 In short, your expectation is that we can get together and write some
 code in PyQt which can be used for Belenix apps as welll as (possibly)
 ported to KDE on Solaris.

 Fine. Simple thoughts written in a long winded fashion.

 Btw, I thought Konqueror was ZFS aware, so my question is it it
 possible to do this entirely using a PyQT based layer which understands
 both ZFS and can talk to the KDE/Kparts layer ?


> > Regards
> > Rajeev J Sebastian
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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--Anand
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From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Sat Oct 17 07:34:17 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:04:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Ok, all that text and....
>
> ?In short, your expectation is that we can get together and write some
> ?code in PyQt which can be used for Belenix apps as welll as (possibly)
> ?ported to KDE on Solaris.
>
> ?Fine. Simple thoughts written in a long winded fashion.

I just thought I'd give some context on Belenix and what we're doing,
that's all.
As a group, we can have something to look forward to, and an Indian
distribution to which we all contribute to is one such thing.

>
> ?Btw, I thought Konqueror was ZFS aware, so my question is it it
> ?possible to do this entirely using a PyQT based layer which understands
> ?both ZFS and can talk to the KDE/Kparts layer ?
>

Konqueror is not ZFS aware at the moment. We could make it ZFS aware
by enabling actions such as providing a "Create File system" via a
context menu, for e.g.

-- Sriram

From rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com  Sat Oct 17 07:42:58 2009
From: rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com (Rajeev J Sebastian)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:12:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Ok, all that text and....
>>
>> ?In short, your expectation is that we can get together and write some
>> ?code in PyQt which can be used for Belenix apps as welll as (possibly)
>> ?ported to KDE on Solaris.
>>
>> ?Fine. Simple thoughts written in a long winded fashion.
>
> I just thought I'd give some context on Belenix and what we're doing,
> that's all.
> As a group, we can have something to look forward to, and an Indian
> distribution to which we all contribute to is one such thing.

Do you mean an Indian Solaris distro ? (If you don't already know,
there are several indian linux distros).

Regards
Rajeev J Sebastian

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Sat Oct 17 07:53:46 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:23:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
>>
>> ?Btw, I thought Konqueror was ZFS aware, so my question is it it
>> ?possible to do this entirely using a PyQT based layer which understands
>> ?both ZFS and can talk to the KDE/Kparts layer ?
>>
>

There are some scattered efforts around the world to write python
bindings for ZFS. I'm trying to find out the status of these various
efforts.

>From the limited code reading I've done so far, I think it may be
possible to have a library that PyKDE and PyQT apps could call.


> Konqueror is not ZFS aware at the moment. We could make it ZFS aware
> by enabling actions such as providing a "Create File system" via a
> context menu, for e.g.
>
> -- Sriram
>

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Sat Oct 17 07:57:08 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:27:08 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Weekend Meeting
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On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Rajeev J Sebastian
<rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com> wrote:
>> As a group, we can have something to look forward to, and an Indian
>> distribution to which we all contribute to is one such thing.
>
> Do you mean an Indian Solaris distro ? (If you don't already know,
> there are several indian linux distros).
>

I'm only aware that there are several of us in India who've put
together distros, but I've not used any of them yet.

Belenix is based on the opensolaris kernel + network stack. Solaris 10
has an internal source tree which takes in the stable code from the
opensolaris trunk.

> Regards
> Rajeev J Sebastian

-- Sriram

From carl at personnelware.com  Sat Oct 17 16:42:03 2009
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:42:03 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] dabo
In-Reply-To: <200910161500.24350.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
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On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> hi,
>
> thought I would take a break from the web and refresh my gui skills - came
> across dabo - anyone got anything to say about it?

I use the report editor/engine.  It uses reportlab for rendering, but
the GUI designer is a nice wxPython app.

here is where I used it to print name tags with bar codes:
https://pycon.coderanger.net/browser/django/trunk/pycon/badges/views.py

The rest of the system is pretty cool, but I haven't needed it for anything.

-- 
Carl K

From zoltan.jose at gmail.com  Sat Oct 17 19:16:41 2009
From: zoltan.jose at gmail.com (Timmy Jose)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:46:41 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
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Yo mate, you gotta just chill it a bit alright? I may not be a regular
visitor in here but I have been a member from the very beginning of this
small group of folks in here and I can vouch for Kenneth. Agreed that most
folks here fall outside "our generation" but that is not to say that they
are all a bunch of old farts. You really have to realize that not all
disagreements stem from snarkiness and also that it is best to avoid ad
hominem attacks in mailing lists. Bejasus d00d, just take a fucking moment
and understand that you can make your point without offending people's
sensibilities alright? Even if there is something missing in here that I am
not aware of that does not excuse such infantile off-the-hip reactions. If
you still feel that your fragile ego/honor has been sullied in this
community, well, good riddance!

Regards,

z0ltan

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Srijayanth Sridhar <srijayanth at gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:
>
>> On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 3:52:39 pm Srijayanth Sridhar wrote:
>> > I brought up the same topic a few months ago I think. Basically if you
>> go
>> > to the Ruby forums
>>
>> no real programmer goes to forums - they use mailing lists and IRC
>> --
>>
>>
> Kenneth, no diss, but if you can do something other than being a Draconian
> bastard and insulting people, then do it. I am out. This mailing list is
> full of grumpy old men.
>
> Jayanth
>
> _______________________________________________
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From srijayanth at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 13:55:09 2009
From: srijayanth at gmail.com (Srijayanth Sridhar)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:25:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
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On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Timmy Jose <zoltan.jose at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Yo mate, you gotta just chill it a bit alright? I may not be a regular
> visitor in here but I have been a member from the very beginning of this
> small group of folks in here and I can vouch for Kenneth. Agreed that most
> folks here fall outside "our generation" but that is not to say that they
> are all a bunch of old farts. You really have to realize that not all
> disagreements stem from snarkiness and also that it is best to avoid ad
> hominem attacks in mailing lists. Bejasus d00d, just take a fucking moment
> and understand that you can make your point without offending people's
> sensibilities alright? Even if there is something missing in here that I am
> not aware of that does not excuse such infantile off-the-hip reactions. If
> you still feel that your fragile ego/honor has been sullied in this
> community, well, good riddance!
>
> Regards,
>
>

With all due respect, it was anything but an off-the-hip reaction. Kenneth's
been launching into each and everyone for days on end about each and every
little thing whether it be some person's usage of Drupal over Plone or
whether it be something else. The point of a comment is to contribute
something useful. To say "Real programmers yada yada yada" doesn't exactly
exhibit maturity either and illustrates nothing useful. Furthermore, I see a
lot of dissing and very little Python actually happening on this list. As
for my fragile ego, thanks for your concern, but it won't be good riddance
for a long time to come I am afraid.

Jayanth



z0ltan
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Srijayanth Sridhar <srijayanth at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday 15 Oct 2009 3:52:39 pm Srijayanth Sridhar wrote:
>>> > I brought up the same topic a few months ago I think. Basically if you
>>> go
>>> > to the Ruby forums
>>>
>>> no real programmer goes to forums - they use mailing lists and IRC
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>> Kenneth, no diss, but if you can do something other than being a Draconian
>> bastard and insulting people, then do it. I am out. This mailing list is
>> full of grumpy old men.
>>
>> Jayanth
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
>
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From lawgon at thenilgiris.com  Sun Oct 18 14:19:01 2009
From: lawgon at thenilgiris.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:49:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
In-Reply-To: <5ead360a0910180455o5b2de54evc3ba118d57cd0e3e@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <200910181749.02304.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>

On Sunday 18 Oct 2009 5:25:09 pm Srijayanth Sridhar wrote:
> With all due respect, it was anything but an off-the-hip reaction.

I have been a member of mailing lists for over 15 years now - this is the first 
time I have seen the word 'bastard' used. I did not react as I thought you had 
left the list. I will not react now as I do not think a person capable of such 
language is sensitive enough to understand a reaction - so I exercise my right 
to ignore all your posts in future. Feel free to also direct my posts to your 
spam folder. bye

-- 
regards
kg
http://lawgon.livejournal.com

From aneesh.nl at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 15:08:18 2009
From: aneesh.nl at gmail.com (Aneesh A)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:38:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python interpreter in mobile phone (java)
Message-ID: <90c47fb0910180608t15250866n928264522b905a3e@mail.gmail.com>

I and my friend like to do a mobile application in python.

It should be working on most of mobiles.

Is there any python interpreter that written in java (so it can run on java
supported mobiles..) for mobile??

I have seen python interpreter in my friend's nokia mobile. but it works
only on symbian.

-- 
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For all hardware and software services, Computer assembling, Software
Installation etc.
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From sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 15:22:44 2009
From: sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com (Sidharth Kuruvila)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:52:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python interpreter in mobile phone (java)
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Hi,

There's jython http://www.jython.org/. I don't  know if it will run on j2me.

Regards,
Sidharth

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Aneesh A <aneesh.nl at gmail.com> wrote:
> I and my friend like to do a mobile application in python.
>
> It should be working on most of mobiles.
>
> Is there any python interpreter that written in java (so it can run on java
> supported mobiles..) for mobile??
>
> I have seen python interpreter in my friend's nokia mobile. but it works
> only on symbian.
>
> --
> +91 903 755 72 73
>
> For all hardware and software services, Computer assembling, Software
> Installation etc.
> My blog : http://xtenders.blogspot.com/
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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From zaki at manian.org  Sun Oct 18 15:49:36 2009
From: zaki at manian.org (Zaki Manian)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:19:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python interpreter in mobile phone (java)
In-Reply-To: <2ab2ed550910180622m1ab679c1g9f1a6b767d1f1866@mail.gmail.com>
References: <90c47fb0910180608t15250866n928264522b905a3e@mail.gmail.com> 
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Android also has a python environment as well - the android scripting
environment.

Python isn't really an ideal client language for mobile phone development.

Python support on the Symbian and Android platforms is intended more for
rapid prototyping than for applications with App Store deployment.




US number: +1 650-862-5992
Indian Number:+919945111824
Sent from Bengaluru, Karnataka, India

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Sidharth Kuruvila <
sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> There's jython http://www.jython.org/. I don't  know if it will run on
> j2me.
>
> Regards,
> Sidharth
>
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Aneesh A <aneesh.nl at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I and my friend like to do a mobile application in python.
> >
> > It should be working on most of mobiles.
> >
> > Is there any python interpreter that written in java (so it can run on
> java
> > supported mobiles..) for mobile??
> >
> > I have seen python interpreter in my friend's nokia mobile. but it works
> > only on symbian.
> >
> > --
> > +91 903 755 72 73
> >
> > For all hardware and software services, Computer assembling, Software
> > Installation etc.
> > My blog : http://xtenders.blogspot.com/
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> I am but a man.
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From artagnon at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 17:12:37 2009
From: artagnon at gmail.com (Ramkumar Ramachandra)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:42:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
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	<200910181749.02304.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>
Message-ID: <f3271550910180812h7053598bhd2d76b28346270d9@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think the issue has much to do with "Indians copying". The
answer to the original question is simple: It's because India is a
poor country with a broken education system, where society has not
learnt to recognize and foster innovation and independent thought in
many fields. It's simple economics: people in poor countries feel more
"insecure" about their lives, and tend to choose the "safer" options.
All independent thought/ innovation requires a time investment- and
involves a risk. A risk people aren't willing to take. I don't think
the situation is significantly different from so many other poor
countries.

We are privileged to be educated, and we must use it for good. What
can we do about the situation? Have productive discussions about the
issues, and work towards rectifying them. I believe that education is
one major answer to many problems.

-- 
Artagnon (.com)

From abpillai at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 17:20:22 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:50:22 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
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Message-ID: <8548c5f30910180820o3ffa542fn679c02dc5cf90237@mail.gmail.com>

Someone posted in this thread that very little Python is happening in this
list.
Cannot agree with that comment yet, but this thread has no Python in it
and has overgrown itself.

Closing this thread. Further posts are - not welcome. And I request
no personal slanging matches in the future.

Thanks

--Anand

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Ramkumar Ramachandra <artagnon at gmail.com>wrote:



> --
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From noufal at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 17:22:40 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:52:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open Calais ? Bellenix meeting
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910180822r71e0cb8aj2bb8f719235a0054@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
  I had some stuff to take care of and was too tired to attend the
meeting. How did it go? Any tidbits that the list might benefit from?

Regards,

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From abpillai at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 17:33:15 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:03:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910180820o3ffa542fn679c02dc5cf90237@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01BB8C86@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
	<c567fd8c0910171016rd7f5d43r81ef27cf9ced2b79@mail.gmail.com>
	<5ead360a0910180455o5b2de54evc3ba118d57cd0e3e@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910181749.02304.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>
	<f3271550910180812h7053598bhd2d76b28346270d9@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910180820o3ffa542fn679c02dc5cf90237@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910180833p475923b8n3fb34ec5bc3e2d03@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

> Someone posted in this thread that very little Python is happening in this
> list.
> Cannot agree with that comment yet, but this thread has no Python in it
> and has overgrown itself.
>
> Closing this thread. Further posts are - not welcome. And I request
> no personal slanging matches in the future.
>

I try normally not to reply to my own posts - but here is an addendum
which could be useful to those prone to hitting the "send" button without
taking time to edit their posts, giving themselves a chance to tone down
their language.

The archives of this list are public and are easily accessible using a
google search later - when you make a regrettable post your name
is getting permanently etched in the history of the web, associated
to the post - something worth thinking about.

Remember, on the web there are no regrets - when an ever watchful
google is recording all your tracks. Think twice before hitting the send
button.


>
> Thanks
>
> --Anand
>
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Ramkumar Ramachandra <artagnon at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>> --
>> Artagnon (.com)
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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>
>
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>
>
>
>


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From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 18:00:52 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:30:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open Calais ? Bellenix meeting
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910180822r71e0cb8aj2bb8f719235a0054@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910180822r71e0cb8aj2bb8f719235a0054@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49977f270910180900w607a530bgb86eb53bf25825ed@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> ?I had some stuff to take care of and was too tired to attend the
> meeting. How did it go? Any tidbits that the list might benefit from?
>

The opencalais session was good. I'm going to tell my colleagues about
this, and they'd surely explore it more.

Anand and Ramdas have asked that we have sessions again with more
detail. I agree, since the scant amount of ZFS that I showcased today
was in itself radically different from what we all know from other
file systems.

I request feedback from other attendees on today's ZFS session. Please
let me know what else you'd have liked me to cover at an introduction
level.

-- Sriram

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 18:08:49 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:38:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Ideas for an opensolaris demo for web app developers
Message-ID: <49977f270910180908m21e447f6yca28116e80ea23d8@mail.gmail.com>

All:

I'm glad that I was able to show case ZFS basics to you all.

Based on conversations that we had after the talk, Moinak and I have
decided to come up with a presentation aimed at web programmers
(mainly, Python web programmers).

My intent is to present the following:

- recreate an entire deployment scenario on your personal computer on
Belenix, where you use a form of light weight virtualization (zones)
to set up a MySQL zone, two app server zones running Django/something
else each, a Linux firewall zone that replicates the real world DMZ
scenario, an apache zone that has an apache load balancing between the
two Django zones.
- Back each zone with a ZFS file system
- Each Zone should have the same public IP address that you have in
the real world (to the extent that you even use the exact same
firewall rules).
- Use DTrace to diagnose the app in each zone
- Snapshot the zone's file system, and then deploy the Zone onto
another computer.

One could do most of the above using VMWare, except that here, we do
all of the above on our laptops/desktops without the over head of
VMWare.

I'd like to know if there's any sample web application that you'd like
to see deployed in the example above.

Please let me know if you'd like to have something else in the dem,
and Moinak and I will figure out a way to incorporate all change
requests.

Thanks.

-- Sriram

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 20:34:19 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 00:04:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Ideas for an opensolaris demo for web app
	developers
In-Reply-To: <49977f270910180908m21e447f6yca28116e80ea23d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49977f270910180908m21e447f6yca28116e80ea23d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6e38f9f00910181134s5ecc3ebcy36856ee5675a5cba@mail.gmail.com>

Sriram,

I think if you and Moinka can present what all Belenix can do for Python
developers and what all Pyrhon guys can do for Belenix, it'll make a lot of
sense.

What you are planning makes sense to me and a few guys, who actually need to
worry about hosting web apps.

Please check with others on the interest on this topic
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com>wrote:

> All:
>
> I'm glad that I was able to show case ZFS basics to you all.
>
> Based on conversations that we had after the talk, Moinak and I have
> decided to come up with a presentation aimed at web programmers
> (mainly, Python web programmers).
>
> My intent is to present the following:
>
> - recreate an entire deployment scenario on your personal computer on
> Belenix, where you use a form of light weight virtualization (zones)
> to set up a MySQL zone, two app server zones running Django/something
> else each, a Linux firewall zone that replicates the real world DMZ
> scenario, an apache zone that has an apache load balancing between the
> two Django zones.
> - Back each zone with a ZFS file system
> - Each Zone should have the same public IP address that you have in
> the real world (to the extent that you even use the exact same
> firewall rules).
> - Use DTrace to diagnose the app in each zone
> - Snapshot the zone's file system, and then deploy the Zone onto
> another computer.
>
> One could do most of the above using VMWare, except that here, we do
> all of the above on our laptops/desktops without the over head of
> VMWare.
>
> I'd like to know if there's any sample web application that you'd like
> to see deployed in the example above.
>
> Please let me know if you'd like to have something else in the dem,
> and Moinak and I will figure out a way to incorporate all change
> requests.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- Sriram
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
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From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Mon Oct 19 06:30:43 2009
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:00:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me an opensource project!!
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01BB8DEB@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

I  want to participate in python open source  projects,can you  people
suggest me one which has around 2000 to 3000 lines of code and no
dependencies on other 
libraries please.
 
Some one in the list suggested(not to me)  reportlab and django and
etc.When i look at them they are like mammoth(5MB)
i dont know where to start off.
 
TIA.
 
Regards,
Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy.
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From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 06:40:54 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:10:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me an opensource project!!
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01BB8DEB@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01BB8DEB@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910182140u1ff3c055s48010fa556f38e78@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
<srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:
> I? want to participate in python open source? projects,can?you ?people
> suggest me one which has around 2000 to 3000?lines of code and no
> dependencies on other
> libraries please.[.]

Pick something in your general area of interest and try to fix bugs on
it. That should gradually boost your confidence to a level where you
can contribute. Size will stop becoming a big problem then. Check out
the python package index for Python related projects that are lying
around.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Mon Oct 19 06:43:16 2009
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:13:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me an opensource project!!
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910182140u1ff3c055s48010fa556f38e78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01BB8DF1@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

>>Pick something in your general area of interest and try to fix bugs on
it. That should gradually boost your confidence to a level where you can
contribute. Size will 
>>stop becoming a big problem then. Check out the python package index
for Python related projects that are lying around.

Thanks noufal, I never saw python package index link.

--
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in
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From steve at lonetwin.net  Mon Oct 19 07:26:06 2009
From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:56:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Suggest me an opensource project!!
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01BB8DEB@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01BB8DEB@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <4ADBF86E.3000704@lonetwin.net>

Hi,

On 10/19/2009 10:00 AM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy wrote:
> I  want to participate in python open source  projects,can you people
> suggest me one which has around 2000 to 3000 lines of code and no
> dependencies on other
> libraries please.

Although picking up a small project and working on it by yourself is one way to 
participate in an open source project. There is another easier and more 
satisfying way --

a. Search for something that interests you. Something that you use or would like 
to customize for your use. Or, something that you have an interest in exploring. 
There are thousands of projects to choose from at:
  http://sourceforge.net/
     Choose something sufficiently 'mammoth' (in your terms).

b. Join the project's mailing list and search through the project's bugs list. 
See, if there is some thing that seems easy and manageable there and offer to 
fix it. Ask for clarification/assistance on the mailing list if needed.
     Another way to approach the searching for bugs, is to actually start using 
the application you intend to contribute to :) !! ...you'll eventually come 
across some behavior that you would like to 'fix' or change.
     It could be as simple as changing/correcting error messages or adding 
additional logging, or including a 'not-critical-but-nice-to-have' option ...etc.
     Many large projects could use help on a lot of such small tasks, which 
never get done because there is always something with a higher priority for the 
core developers to tackle.

c. After fixing few such bugs, you would have not only gained some confidence 
but also would have learned enough about to the code base to tackle larger 
issues like a feature request.

The advantage of this approach as opposed to doing a small toy project is that 
you will learn to deal with large code bases without getting overwhelmed and 
also would be more likely to continue contribution. Furthermore, you would get 
bragging rights as a contributor to a large well-known project :).

The whole point of this reply is -- It is great that you want to contribute to 
an open source project ! However, don't waste time in writing 'yet another' mp3 
player or editor or organizer or calendar or calculator ...we already have too 
many of those. Yes, you /will/ learn a lot by doing any of those but you would 
learn *as well as contribute* by starting small in a large project.

HTH,
cheers,
- steve

PS:
<shameless plug>
You may find this helpful:
http://lonehacks.blogspot.com/2009/08/on-reading-code-efficiently.html
</shameless plug>

-- 
random non tech spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/
tech randomness: http://lonehacks.blogspot.com/
what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

From abpillai at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 07:47:47 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:17:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open Calais ? Bellenix meeting
In-Reply-To: <49977f270910180900w607a530bgb86eb53bf25825ed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910180822r71e0cb8aj2bb8f719235a0054@mail.gmail.com>
	<49977f270910180900w607a530bgb86eb53bf25825ed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910182247g5a5e47cao1a937092ea63908a@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >  I had some stuff to take care of and was too tired to attend the
> > meeting. How did it go? Any tidbits that the list might benefit from?
> >
>
> The opencalais session was good. I'm going to tell my colleagues about
> this, and they'd surely explore it more.
>
> Anand and Ramdas have asked that we have sessions again with more
> detail. I agree, since the scant amount of ZFS that I showcased today
> was in itself radically different from what we all know from other
> file systems.
>
> I request feedback from other attendees on today's ZFS session. Please
> let me know what else you'd have liked me to cover at an introduction
> level.
>

We had a good meeting. There were some initial hiccups with the
projector but moving to a separate meeting room solved it.

I presented a brief introduction to semantic web and showcased the
OpenCalais API using python-calais. I showed how to extract semantic
concepts (categories) from existing data using the API.

I went on to demo my application which listens to a couple of mobile
phone news feeds and uses semantic information returned by OpenCalais
to provide specific natural language queries (not exactly NLP there yet,
but I am simulating NLP like queries) which return specific answers.

The demo showed making a query on "cost of motorola android" and
this returning the specific data requested on the price of the most
recent motorola android mobile phones.

I will wait for some other attendee for their feedback on how good
this was rather than making the comment myself :)

This was followed by a very good session by Sriram and Moinak on
the capabilities of ZFS. I don't want to get into details, but I was blown
away by the capabilities of ZFS. I had only read about it before and never
seen it in action, so when Sriram showed how to increase the storage
of an existing volume by adding another device and just adding it to
the volume using "zfs add" it was just too good to believe. ZFS
makes those actions which could take hours using Linux ext3
look trivial and done within seconds...!

We started the ZFS session a bit late i.e around 5.30 pm so there
was not much time to showcase all the bits planned. We dispersed
around 6.10 pm.

We were 7 attendees in total.


>
> -- Sriram
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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--Anand
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 07:55:40 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:25:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Ideas for an opensolaris demo for web app
	developers
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00910181134s5ecc3ebcy36856ee5675a5cba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49977f270910180908m21e447f6yca28116e80ea23d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<6e38f9f00910181134s5ecc3ebcy36856ee5675a5cba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910182255t6dc72cb8p90c5ea3d64cfa57b@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Sriram,
>
> I think if you and Moinka can present what all Belenix can do for Python
> developers and what all Pyrhon guys can do for Belenix, it'll make a lot of
> sense.
>
> What you are planning makes sense to me and a few guys, who actually need
> to worry about hosting web apps.
>
> Please check with others on the interest on this topic


This looks fine to me, but I am not sure whether the whole thing can
be fitted into an afternoon session. I for one am more interested in
how the ZFS back-end can be integrated to KDE using PyQt and
how we (I) can help out in it - is there a plan, design, talk, anything ?


>
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> All:
>>
>> I'm glad that I was able to show case ZFS basics to you all.
>>
>> Based on conversations that we had after the talk, Moinak and I have
>> decided to come up with a presentation aimed at web programmers
>> (mainly, Python web programmers).
>>
>> My intent is to present the following:
>>
>> - recreate an entire deployment scenario on your personal computer on
>> Belenix, where you use a form of light weight virtualization (zones)
>> to set up a MySQL zone, two app server zones running Django/something
>> else each, a Linux firewall zone that replicates the real world DMZ
>> scenario, an apache zone that has an apache load balancing between the
>> two Django zones.
>> - Back each zone with a ZFS file system
>> - Each Zone should have the same public IP address that you have in
>> the real world (to the extent that you even use the exact same
>> firewall rules).
>> - Use DTrace to diagnose the app in each zone
>> - Snapshot the zone's file system, and then deploy the Zone onto
>> another computer.
>>
>> One could do most of the above using VMWare, except that here, we do
>> all of the above on our laptops/desktops without the over head of
>> VMWare.
>>
>> I'd like to know if there's any sample web application that you'd like
>> to see deployed in the example above.
>>
>> Please let me know if you'd like to have something else in the dem,
>> and Moinak and I will figure out a way to incorporate all change
>> requests.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -- Sriram
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Ramdas S
> +91 9342 583 065
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>


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From cranil89 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 08:19:17 2009
From: cranil89 at gmail.com (Anil)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:49:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Jython and Java 3D
Message-ID: <4ADC04E5.9080405@gmail.com>

Hey anybody tried jython with java 3D?

From steve at lonetwin.net  Mon Oct 19 13:32:42 2009
From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:02:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] python scripting in gdb
Message-ID: <4ADC4E5A.3010201@lonetwin.net>

Hi,

I was pleasantly surprised today to learn about Fedora/Red Hat's project, 
introduced in F11, to make scripting with python possible within gdb:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
[steve at laptop ~]$ gdb
GNU gdb (GDB) Fedora (6.8.50.20090302-38.fc11)
Copyright (C) 2009 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>
This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.  Type "show copying"
and "show warranty" for details.
This GDB was configured as "x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu".
For bug reporting instructions, please see:
<http://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/bugs/>.
(gdb) help python
Evaluate a Python command.

The command can be given as an argument, for instance:

     python print 23

If no argument is given, the following lines are read and used
as the Python commands.  Type a line containing "end" to indicate
the end of the command.
(gdb) python import this
The Zen of Python, by Tim Peters
....
....
(gdb)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

So, I thought I'd share this with you. More info here:
http://sourceware.org/gdb/wiki/ProjectArcher

cheers,
- steve
-- 
random non tech spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/
tech randomness: http://lonehacks.blogspot.com/
what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

From ardsrk at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 16:54:45 2009
From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:24:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open Calais ? Bellenix meeting
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910182247g5a5e47cao1a937092ea63908a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910180822r71e0cb8aj2bb8f719235a0054@mail.gmail.com>
	<49977f270910180900w607a530bgb86eb53bf25825ed@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910182247g5a5e47cao1a937092ea63908a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3d62196a0910190754w2c1c0c03w1dd1553e42f71cf7@mail.gmail.com>

The demo given by Anand on semantic search of feeds using OpenCalais was
very interesting.
The fact that his app essentially did something that
Feedly<http://www.feedly.com/>( based on Google Reader ) does piqued
my interest.

Feedly too uses OpenCalais to get semantic information on a blog post and
for search.
If you use Google Reader as a RSS reader then you have to check out Feedly.

Anand used python-calais <http://code.google.com/p/python-calais/> for
communicating to the OpenCalais
API<http://opencalais.com/documentation/calais-web-service-api/api-invocation/rest>
.
Anand then showed how OpenCalais categorized the input text into entities,
topics and relations.
With every entity OpenCalais attached a percentage that indicated how sure
it was on the element being the entity
whose identity was given by a URL. For instance, there is a URL identiying
the entity "Android" as a product.

Open Calais is exciting new technology that has made information gathering
applications like Feedly and Klezio <http://www.klezio.com/> possible.
Another application is Tagaroo <http://tagaroo.opencalais.com/> a wordpress
plugin that automatically generates tags as you type your blog post.

In the meetup Anand said that the current state-of-the-art of semantic web
is not even 5% of its potential. A quick search of the term
imagine semantic
web<http://www.readwriteweb.com/fastsearch?search=imagine+semantic+web&x=0&y=0>on
ReadWriteWeb shows that a lot of businesses and visionaries are
betting
big on semantic web and know that
it has a lot of potential.



On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >  I had some stuff to take care of and was too tired to attend the
>> > meeting. How did it go? Any tidbits that the list might benefit from?
>> >
>>
>> The opencalais session was good. I'm going to tell my colleagues about
>> this, and they'd surely explore it more.
>>
>> Anand and Ramdas have asked that we have sessions again with more
>> detail. I agree, since the scant amount of ZFS that I showcased today
>> was in itself radically different from what we all know from other
>> file systems.
>>
>> I request feedback from other attendees on today's ZFS session. Please
>> let me know what else you'd have liked me to cover at an introduction
>> level.
>>
>
> We had a good meeting. There were some initial hiccups with the
> projector but moving to a separate meeting room solved it.
>
> I presented a brief introduction to semantic web and showcased the
> OpenCalais API using python-calais. I showed how to extract semantic
> concepts (categories) from existing data using the API.
>
> I went on to demo my application which listens to a couple of mobile
> phone news feeds and uses semantic information returned by OpenCalais
> to provide specific natural language queries (not exactly NLP there yet,
> but I am simulating NLP like queries) which return specific answers.
>
> The demo showed making a query on "cost of motorola android" and
> this returning the specific data requested on the price of the most
> recent motorola android mobile phones.
>
> I will wait for some other attendee for their feedback on how good
> this was rather than making the comment myself :)
>
> This was followed by a very good session by Sriram and Moinak on
> the capabilities of ZFS. I don't want to get into details, but I was blown
> away by the capabilities of ZFS. I had only read about it before and never
> seen it in action, so when Sriram showed how to increase the storage
> of an existing volume by adding another device and just adding it to
> the volume using "zfs add" it was just too good to believe. ZFS
> makes those actions which could take hours using Linux ext3
> look trivial and done within seconds...!
>
> We started the ZFS session a bit late i.e around 5.30 pm so there
> was not much time to showcase all the bits planned. We dispersed
> around 6.10 pm.
>
> We were 7 attendees in total.
>
>
>>
>> -- Sriram
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --Anand
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
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From ramdaz at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 17:27:23 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:57:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open Calais ? Bellenix meeting
In-Reply-To: <3d62196a0910190754w2c1c0c03w1dd1553e42f71cf7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910180822r71e0cb8aj2bb8f719235a0054@mail.gmail.com>
	<49977f270910180900w607a530bgb86eb53bf25825ed@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com>wrote:

> The demo given by Anand on semantic search of feeds using OpenCalais was
> very interesting.
> The fact that his app essentially did something that Feedly<http://www.feedly.com/>( based on Google Reader ) does piqued my interest.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
> abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >  I had some stuff to take care of and was too tired to attend the
>>> > meeting. How did it go? Any tidbits that the list might benefit from?
>>> >
>>>
>>>



Both sessions were quite good, left us with a lot of ideas, especially
OpenCalais stuff.

In future we must try to get follow up tracks to some specific interest
groups.
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From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 17:42:21 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:12:21 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open Calais ? Bellenix meeting
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00910190827k5c299257yd7b3b23d00b664a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910180822r71e0cb8aj2bb8f719235a0054@mail.gmail.com>
	<49977f270910180900w607a530bgb86eb53bf25825ed@mail.gmail.com>
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	<3d62196a0910190754w2c1c0c03w1dd1553e42f71cf7@mail.gmail.com>
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Every mail on this thread increases my regret for missing this
meeting. Oh well... Nice to see the momentum though. Does anyone have
any ideas/requests for a talk next month?

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From ardsrk at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 18:36:26 2009
From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:06:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open Calais ? Bellenix meeting
In-Reply-To: <49977f270910180900w607a530bgb86eb53bf25825ed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910180822r71e0cb8aj2bb8f719235a0054@mail.gmail.com>
	<49977f270910180900w607a530bgb86eb53bf25825ed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3d62196a0910190936h737736d6i66d0d7008ede7f1a@mail.gmail.com>

Below are some points about ZFS and BeneliX that were made in the meetup.

ZFS is a cutting edge
filesystem<http://www.google.co.in/search?q=cutting+edge+filesystem>from
Sun Microsystems adopted by
BeneliX <http://www.belenix.org/>.

Some of the underlying concepts of ZFS
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS>that I think is simply stunning are:

* Storage is managed by pools<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS#Storage_pools>.
A storage pool abstracts several block devices.

* Allows for easy addition and replacement of drives to a pool with zfs *add
* and *replace* commands.

* Ability to create large sparse
files<http://blogs.sun.com/bonwick/entry/seek_hole_and_seek_data>
.

* Snapshots<http://docs.huihoo.com/opensolaris/solaris-zfs-administration-guide/html/ch06.html>:
A snapshot is a read-only copy of a filesystem. It consumes no additional
space initially and is created
  instantly. The snapshot starts consuming space when the data that is being
snapshot changes. So snapshots can
  be used for backup. Snapshots can also be used as means to collaborate
over a project with the zfs *send* and *receive* commands.

* Clones<http://docs.huihoo.com/opensolaris/solaris-zfs-administration-guide/html/ch06s02.html>:
A clone is a writable copy of a filesystem. It is created instantly and
initially occupies no space
  ( because ZFS implements the
copy-on-write<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS#Copy-on-write_transactional_model>idiom
).

* ZFS has no notion of formatting.

I had taken a VBox image of BeneliX from Sriram (comes in two DVDs). I tried
installing BeneliX onto it VBox complained
that it could not detect any boot medium. I will try to figure out the
problem soon.

Thanks to Sriram and Moinak for introducing us to this wonderful technology.


On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >  I had some stuff to take care of and was too tired to attend the
> > meeting. How did it go? Any tidbits that the list might benefit from?
> >
>
> The opencalais session was good. I'm going to tell my colleagues about
> this, and they'd surely explore it more.
>
> Anand and Ramdas have asked that we have sessions again with more
> detail. I agree, since the scant amount of ZFS that I showcased today
> was in itself radically different from what we all know from other
> file systems.
>
> I request feedback from other attendees on today's ZFS session. Please
> let me know what else you'd have liked me to cover at an introduction
> level.
>
> -- Sriram
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 05:28:50 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:58:50 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open Calais ? Bellenix meeting
In-Reply-To: <3d62196a0910190754w2c1c0c03w1dd1553e42f71cf7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910180822r71e0cb8aj2bb8f719235a0054@mail.gmail.com>
	<49977f270910180900w607a530bgb86eb53bf25825ed@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910182247g5a5e47cao1a937092ea63908a@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d62196a0910190754w2c1c0c03w1dd1553e42f71cf7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910192028m9e40f19ke3f9270712bb395a@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com>wrote:

> The demo given by Anand on semantic search of feeds using OpenCalais was
> very interesting.
> The fact that his app essentially did something that Feedly<http://www.feedly.com/>( based on Google Reader ) does piqued my interest.
>
> Feedly too uses OpenCalais to get semantic information on a blog post and
> for search.
> If you use Google Reader as a RSS reader then you have to check out Feedly.
>
> Anand used python-calais <http://code.google.com/p/python-calais/> for
> communicating to the OpenCalais API<http://opencalais.com/documentation/calais-web-service-api/api-invocation/rest>
> .
> Anand then showed how OpenCalais categorized the input text into entities,
> topics and relations.
> With every entity OpenCalais attached a percentage that indicated how sure
> it was on the element being the entity
> whose identity was given by a URL. For instance, there is a URL identiying
> the entity "Android" as a product.
>
> Open Calais is exciting new technology that has made information gathering
> applications like Feedly and Klezio <http://www.klezio.com/> possible.
> Another application is Tagaroo <http://tagaroo.opencalais.com/> a
> wordpress plugin that automatically generates tags as you type your blog
> post.
>
> In the meetup Anand said that the current state-of-the-art of semantic web
> is not even 5% of its potential. A quick search of the term
> imagine semantic web<http://www.readwriteweb.com/fastsearch?search=imagine+semantic+web&x=0&y=0>on ReadWriteWeb shows that a lot of businesses and visionaries are betting
> big on semantic web and know that
> it has a lot of potential.


Excellent summary. Btw, I am summarizing the links I used in the meeting.
There was no presentation, I did an ad-hoc talk, so these could be of help.

http://www.opencalais.com - OpenCalais
http://www.klezio.com  - Klezio a "meta news" aggregator using OpenCalais
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/semantic_web_patterns.php - Guide to
semantic
web patterns @ RWW

Btw, I will be adding more intelligence to my application over the coming
weeks.
For example, the current prototype uses a simple search across tags returned
by OpenCalais, I plan to replace this with something better for IR, such as
Xapian. There can be further presentations of the app and discussions on
semantic web in the coming weeks, if anyone is interested.


>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
> abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >  I had some stuff to take care of and was too tired to attend the
>>> > meeting. How did it go? Any tidbits that the list might benefit from?
>>> >
>>>
>>> The opencalais session was good. I'm going to tell my colleagues about
>>> this, and they'd surely explore it more.
>>>
>>> Anand and Ramdas have asked that we have sessions again with more
>>> detail. I agree, since the scant amount of ZFS that I showcased today
>>> was in itself radically different from what we all know from other
>>> file systems.
>>>
>>> I request feedback from other attendees on today's ZFS session. Please
>>> let me know what else you'd have liked me to cover at an introduction
>>> level.
>>>
>>
>> We had a good meeting. There were some initial hiccups with the
>> projector but moving to a separate meeting room solved it.
>>
>> I presented a brief introduction to semantic web and showcased the
>> OpenCalais API using python-calais. I showed how to extract semantic
>> concepts (categories) from existing data using the API.
>>
>> I went on to demo my application which listens to a couple of mobile
>> phone news feeds and uses semantic information returned by OpenCalais
>> to provide specific natural language queries (not exactly NLP there yet,
>> but I am simulating NLP like queries) which return specific answers.
>>
>> The demo showed making a query on "cost of motorola android" and
>> this returning the specific data requested on the price of the most
>> recent motorola android mobile phones.
>>
>> I will wait for some other attendee for their feedback on how good
>> this was rather than making the comment myself :)
>>
>> This was followed by a very good session by Sriram and Moinak on
>> the capabilities of ZFS. I don't want to get into details, but I was blown
>> away by the capabilities of ZFS. I had only read about it before and never
>> seen it in action, so when Sriram showed how to increase the storage
>> of an existing volume by adding another device and just adding it to
>> the volume using "zfs add" it was just too good to believe. ZFS
>> makes those actions which could take hours using Linux ext3
>> look trivial and done within seconds...!
>>
>> We started the ZFS session a bit late i.e around 5.30 pm so there
>> was not much time to showcase all the bits planned. We dispersed
>> around 6.10 pm.
>>
>> We were 7 attendees in total.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -- Sriram
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --Anand
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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>>
>
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From msenthil008 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 08:04:44 2009
From: msenthil008 at gmail.com (Senthil Kumar M)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:34:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] I am new to python language. Suggest way to improve my
	skills in python
Message-ID: <cfa3f0030910192304t14603c4dlf94508fc58a1ad50@mail.gmail.com>

I am new to python language. Suggest way to improve my skills in python
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From steve at lonetwin.net  Tue Oct 20 08:34:24 2009
From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:04:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] I am new to python language. Suggest way to
 improve my	skills in python
In-Reply-To: <cfa3f0030910192304t14603c4dlf94508fc58a1ad50@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cfa3f0030910192304t14603c4dlf94508fc58a1ad50@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ADD59F0.6080608@lonetwin.net>

On 10/20/2009 11:34 AM, Senthil Kumar M wrote:
> I am new to python language. Suggest way to improve my skills in python
read python code
write python code
fight pythons in the wild

I am sure two of those three were obvious to you so asking such a general 
question did help, didn't it ?

cheers,
- steve

-- 
random non tech spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/
tech randomness: http://lonehacks.blogspot.com/
what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

From ardsrk at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 08:45:30 2009
From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:15:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] I am new to python language. Suggest way to
	improve my skills in python
In-Reply-To: <cfa3f0030910192304t14603c4dlf94508fc58a1ad50@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cfa3f0030910192304t14603c4dlf94508fc58a1ad50@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3d62196a0910192345m3e6bb3dlabf853c036e3eb92@mail.gmail.com>

You may find something useful in the answers to these
questions<http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/python+learning>
.

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com>wrote:

> I am new to python language. Suggest way to improve my skills in python
> M.Senthil Kumar
>
>
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From ssquery at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 08:46:11 2009
From: ssquery at gmail.com (sudhakar s)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:16:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] I am new to python language. Suggest way to
	improve my skills in python
In-Reply-To: <cfa3f0030910192304t14603c4dlf94508fc58a1ad50@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cfa3f0030910192304t14603c4dlf94508fc58a1ad50@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1528d2590910192346l41a674c8i32c77b866607ad30@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
   its good to learn python.
   Check out  the tutorial by swaroop.
      http://www.google.com/support/sites/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=144030<http://www.google.com/support/sites/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=144030>

this will definitely help to improve your skills.


On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com>wrote:

> I am new to python language. Suggest way to improve my skills in python
> M.Senthil Kumar
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>


-- 
With Regards,
S Sudhakar.
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From ssquery at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 08:47:30 2009
From: ssquery at gmail.com (sudhakar s)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:17:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] I am new to python language. Suggest way to
	improve my skills in python
In-Reply-To: <4ADD59F0.6080608@lonetwin.net>
References: <cfa3f0030910192304t14603c4dlf94508fc58a1ad50@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ADD59F0.6080608@lonetwin.net>
Message-ID: <1528d2590910192347q68683427y8e2ba363d28a014c@mail.gmail.com>

Great Suggestion.

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:04 PM, steve <steve at lonetwin.net> wrote:

> On 10/20/2009 11:34 AM, Senthil Kumar M wrote:
>
>> I am new to python language. Suggest way to improve my skills in python
>>
> read python code
> write python code
> fight pythons in the wild
>
> I am sure two of those three were obvious to you so asking such a general
> question did help, didn't it ?
>
> cheers,
> - steve
>
> --
> random non tech spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/
> tech randomness: http://lonehacks.blogspot.com/
> what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
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>



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From ssquery at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 08:50:49 2009
From: ssquery at gmail.com (sudhakar s)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:20:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] WSDL
Message-ID: <1528d2590910192350k76f83effh220fbcb02c629e2c@mail.gmail.com>

Hey can any one suggest me way's of writing WSDL  easily.
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From lohit.b at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 08:53:53 2009
From: lohit.b at gmail.com (LOhit)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:23:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Django and NIS authentication
Message-ID: <29117e150910192353j11c286c8l44b031bce049b33b@mail.gmail.com>

What I want to do: Write a django application which parses UNIX log files
and also allows users (Admins) take action if something is wrong.

The problem: Is there a way to make the Django app understand NIS and
authenticate users using NIS backend?

Found the following link while Googling. But, it is related to LDAP though.

http://www.carthage.edu/webdev/?p=12

PS: I am not a developer by profession, please go easy on me :)



<http://www.carthage.edu/webdev/?p=12>Thanks,
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From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 09:02:03 2009
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:32:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] I am new to python language. Suggest way to
	improve my skills in python
In-Reply-To: <cfa3f0030910192304t14603c4dlf94508fc58a1ad50@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cfa3f0030910192304t14603c4dlf94508fc58a1ad50@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <91bea30d0910200002x674bbcaejb428dfc784e19c3b@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am new to python language. Suggest way to improve my skills in python

 There is only one way... code, code, code and more code :)

regards
Vivek

-- 
The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!

From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 09:05:22 2009
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:35:22 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] WSDL
In-Reply-To: <1528d2590910192350k76f83effh220fbcb02c629e2c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1528d2590910192350k76f83effh220fbcb02c629e2c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <91bea30d0910200005i5b16457ev84c5c31f95e8d40c@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:20 PM, sudhakar s <ssquery at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey can any one suggest me way's of writing WSDL? easily.

Use soaplib or try this
http://osdir.com/ml/python.pywebsvcs.general/2006-07/msg00015.html

regards
Vivek

-- 
The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 09:05:44 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:35:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Django and NIS authentication
In-Reply-To: <29117e150910192353j11c286c8l44b031bce049b33b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29117e150910192353j11c286c8l44b031bce049b33b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6e38f9f00910200005m2a55e027q1f130f5de4f657a4@mail.gmail.com>

I've written a similar app, which is actually a mini utm app and is
successfully deployed at many of my clients, and publishes reports on the
network.

Django wont understand NIS by itself. You can use Python to do just that.
Also you have a number of Python modules which'll help you to gain some of
the system information.

Write specifically what all information you want to capture/read/write?


On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:23 PM, LOhit <lohit.b at gmail.com> wrote:

> What I want to do: Write a django application which parses UNIX log files
> and also allows users (Admins) take action if something is wrong.
>
> The problem: Is there a way to make the Django app understand NIS and
> authenticate users using NIS backend?
>
> Found the following link while Googling. But, it is related to LDAP though.
>
> http://www.carthage.edu/webdev/?p=12
>
> PS: I am not a developer by profession, please go easy on me :)
>
>
>
> <http://www.carthage.edu/webdev/?p=12>Thanks,
> --
> LOhit
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
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>


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From aneesh.nl at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 09:37:38 2009
From: aneesh.nl at gmail.com (Aneesh A)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:07:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python interpreter in mobile phone (java)
In-Reply-To: <ab74d90d0910180649s389c8ba4gbffee0365548069d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <90c47fb0910180608t15250866n928264522b905a3e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<2ab2ed550910180622m1ab679c1g9f1a6b767d1f1866@mail.gmail.com> 
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On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Zaki Manian <zaki at manian.org> wrote:

> Android also has a python environment as well - the android scripting
> environment.
>

I like to run python apps in low cost phones. so that i opt for java
interpreter.


> Python isn't really an ideal client language for mobile phone development.
>
> Python support on the Symbian and Android platforms is intended more for
> rapid prototyping than for applications with App Store deployment.
>

I will try to do it in symbian platform.
Also, is there any special format or library restrictions in symbian??


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From msenthil008 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 09:55:51 2009
From: msenthil008 at gmail.com (Senthil Kumar M)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:25:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] I am new to python language. Suggest way to
	improve my skills in python
In-Reply-To: <3d62196a0910192345m3e6bb3dlabf853c036e3eb92@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cfa3f0030910192304t14603c4dlf94508fc58a1ad50@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d62196a0910192345m3e6bb3dlabf853c036e3eb92@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cfa3f0030910200055i2d631110s75d0dd3488b81548@mail.gmail.com>

thank the link. I will check

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com>wrote:

> You may find something useful in the answers to these questions<http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/python+learning>
> .
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I am new to python language. Suggest way to improve my skills in python
>>
>> M.Senthil Kumar
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:38:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] I am new to python language. Suggest way to
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On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com>wrote:

> thank the link. I will check
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> You may find something useful in the answers to these questions<http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/python+learning>
>> .
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I am new to python language. Suggest way to improve my skills in python
>>>
>>
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From: msenthil008 at gmail.com (Senthil Kumar M)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:45:21 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] I am new to python language. Suggest way to
	improve my skills in python
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OK,.I will follow this in feature
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> thank the link. I will check
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> You may find something useful in the answers to these questions<http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/python+learning>
>>> .
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am new to python language. Suggest way to improve my skills in python
>>>>
>>>
>  Try not to post attachments to the list. If you absolutely have to, make
> sure
>  they are less than 50KB in size. I rejected a recent post from you with
>  a huge attachment.
>
>  If you want to post code and get others opinion, paste your code in
>  some place like pastebin and post the link here.
>
>  This is for everyone who have been trying to send code attachments to the
>  list for the last week or so. I will be modifying our mailman settings to
> not
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>
>
>
>
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From: msenthil008 at gmail.com (Senthil Kumar M)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:47:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] help me to fix this error
Message-ID: <cfa3f0030910200117r6bd15073rdde2f512e4723a04@mail.gmail.com>

I am using python IDLE (python3.0.1) . I dont know why this error comes ? I
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Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:18:56 -0700 (PDT)
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On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Zaki Manian <zaki at manian.org> wrote:

>
>Android also has a python environment as well - the android scripting environment.
>

I like to run python apps in low cost phones. so that i opt for java interpreter. 


>Python isn't really an ideal client language for mobile phone development. 
>
>Python support on the Symbian and Android platforms is intended more for rapid prototyping than for applications with App Store deployment.
>
I will try to do it in symbian platform.

Also, is there any special format or library restrictions in symbian??


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From msenthil008 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 10:22:54 2009
From: msenthil008 at gmail.com (Senthil Kumar M)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:52:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] help me to fix this error
Message-ID: <cfa3f0030910200122k4b9d0174udd1ed880e0963c05@mail.gmail.com>

I am using python IDLE (python3.0.1) . I dont know why this error
comes ? I am a new user to python.

the link of the image snapshot is
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3405/pythonshell.png

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From sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 10:53:52 2009
From: sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com (Sidharth Kuruvila)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:23:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] help me to fix this error
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Hi,
This looks like it's because python's strings have change in python 3.
The characters used to be 8bit bytes but now they are 16 bits wide.

A quick google tells me that str now has a method called maketrans so
s1.maketrans(s2) should work.

I'm guessing you are using a tutorial written for one of the older
versions of python. I'd suggest you either find a python 3 based
tutorial or use an older version of python, maybe python 2.6.

ps Can you cut and paste the code into the mail next time, images are
a pain to work with.

Regards,
Sidharth

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am using python IDLE (python3.0.1) . I dont know why this error comes ? I
> am a new user to python.
>
> the link of the image snapshot is
> http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3405/pythonshell.png
>
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From msenthil008 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 11:10:21 2009
From: msenthil008 at gmail.com (Senthil Kumar M)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:40:21 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] help me to fix this error
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References: <cfa3f0030910200122k4b9d0174udd1ed880e0963c05@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ab2ed550910200153h4fe17bcby61dfc0df9ae70c14@mail.gmail.com>
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----------------------------------------------------------
#!/usr/bin/python

from string import maketrans
intab = "aeiou"
outtab = "12345"
trantab = intab.maketrans(outtab)

str = "this is string example....wow!!!";
print str.translate(trantab);

------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks for the response.
I changed the code as above
this code too shows an error.


On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Sidharth Kuruvila <
sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> This looks like it's because python's strings have change in python 3.
> The characters used to be 8bit bytes but now they are 16 bits wide.
>
> A quick google tells me that str now has a method called maketrans so
> s1.maketrans(s2) should work.
>
> I'm guessing you are using a tutorial written for one of the older
> versions of python. I'd suggest you either find a python 3 based
> tutorial or use an older version of python, maybe python 2.6.
>
> ps Can you cut and paste the code into the mail next time, images are
> a pain to work with.
>
> Regards,
> Sidharth
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I am using python IDLE (python3.0.1) . I dont know why this error comes ?
> I
> > am a new user to python.
> >
> > the link of the image snapshot is
> > http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3405/pythonshell.png
> >
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From sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 11:21:49 2009
From: sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com (Sidharth Kuruvila)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:51:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] help me to fix this error
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Hi,

Could you print the error message too. I don't have python 3 so i
can't run the code you posted.

A couple of quick pointers.

You don't need this line `#!/usr/bin/python`. That's for telling a
unix shell to use python to run the remaining code.

Yo don't need this line `from string import maketrans` because you
aren't using the string module.

Never do this `str = "this is string example....wow!!!";` You are
overwriting str which is the type object for strings in python.
Shouldn't be an issue in your code. But it's generally bad coding to
change built-in functions and variables. Use another variable name.

You can find out what methods are available on an object using the dir
function, `dir("hello")` will tell you the methods available for the
str objects. help("hello") will give you help on str objects.

Regards,
Sidharth



On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com> wrote:
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> #!/usr/bin/python
> from string import maketrans
> intab = "aeiou"
> outtab = "12345"
> trantab = intab.maketrans(outtab)
> str = "this is string example....wow!!!";
> print str.translate(trantab);
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Thanks for the response.
> I changed the code as above
> this code too shows an error.
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Sidharth Kuruvila
> <sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> This looks like it's because python's strings have change in python 3.
>> The characters used to be 8bit bytes but now they are 16 bits wide.
>>
>> A quick google tells me that str now has a method called maketrans so
>> s1.maketrans(s2) should work.
>>
>> I'm guessing you are using a tutorial written for one of the older
>> versions of python. I'd suggest you either find a python 3 based
>> tutorial or use an older version of python, maybe python 2.6.
>>
>> ps Can you cut and paste the code into the mail next time, images are
>> a pain to work with.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sidharth
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I am using python IDLE (python3.0.1) . I dont know why this error comes
>> > ? I
>> > am a new user to python.
>> >
>> > the link of the image snapshot is
>> > http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3405/pythonshell.png
>> >
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 11:29:11 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:59:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] help me to fix this error
In-Reply-To: <cfa3f0030910200210n22b2d180yd2828c2fda24c35c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cfa3f0030910200122k4b9d0174udd1ed880e0963c05@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ab2ed550910200153h4fe17bcby61dfc0df9ae70c14@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <8548c5f30910200229g39d8380u5f95cbffc0b5a436@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com>wrote:

> ----------------------------------------------------------
> #!/usr/bin/python
>
> from string import maketrans
> intab = "aeiou"
> outtab = "12345"
> trantab = intab.maketrans(outtab)
>
> str = "this is string example....wow!!!";
> print str.translate(trantab);
>

 "print" is a function from python 3.0. Change this to,
 print (str.translate(trantab))

 And you don't need semi-colons in Python. Semi-colons
 are used only to separate 2 expressions in the same line.
 Something like

 x=2; print x

 Here they are superfluous.

 And I think "outtab" should be a dict, not string... but I am not sure.


> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Thanks for the response.
> I changed the code as above
> this code too shows an error.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Sidharth Kuruvila <
> sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> This looks like it's because python's strings have change in python 3.
>> The characters used to be 8bit bytes but now they are 16 bits wide.
>>
>> A quick google tells me that str now has a method called maketrans so
>> s1.maketrans(s2) should work.
>>
>> I'm guessing you are using a tutorial written for one of the older
>> versions of python. I'd suggest you either find a python 3 based
>> tutorial or use an older version of python, maybe python 2.6.
>>
>> ps Can you cut and paste the code into the mail next time, images are
>> a pain to work with.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sidharth
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I am using python IDLE (python3.0.1) . I dont know why this error comes
>> ? I
>> > am a new user to python.
>> >
>> > the link of the image snapshot is
>> > http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3405/pythonshell.png
>> >
>> > --
>> > ********************
>> > M.Senthil Kumar
>> > ********************
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > BangPypers mailing list
>> > BangPypers at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> _______________________________________________
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From: msenthil008 at gmail.com (Senthil Kumar M)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:11:32 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] help me to fix this error
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References: <cfa3f0030910200122k4b9d0174udd1ed880e0963c05@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ab2ed550910200153h4fe17bcby61dfc0df9ae70c14@mail.gmail.com>
	<cfa3f0030910200210n22b2d180yd2828c2fda24c35c@mail.gmail.com>
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from string import maketrans
intab = "aeiou"
outtab = "12345"
trantab = maketrans(intab,outtab)
st = "this is string example....wow!!!";
print(st.translate(trantab))
------------------------------------------------------

I got this error,

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\Python30\fullpath.py", line 4, in <module>
    trantab = maketrans(intab,outtab)
  File "C:\Python30\lib\string.py", line 55, in maketrans
    raise TypeError("maketrans arguments must be bytes objects")
TypeError: maketrans arguments must be bytes objects




On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> #!/usr/bin/python
>>
>> from string import maketrans
>> intab = "aeiou"
>> outtab = "12345"
>> trantab = intab.maketrans(outtab)
>>
>> str = "this is string example....wow!!!";
>> print str.translate(trantab);
>>
>
>  "print" is a function from python 3.0. Change this to,
>  print (str.translate(trantab))
>
>  And you don't need semi-colons in Python. Semi-colons
>  are used only to separate 2 expressions in the same line.
>  Something like
>
>  x=2; print x
>
>  Here they are superfluous.
>
>  And I think "outtab" should be a dict, not string... but I am not sure.
>
>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>> Thanks for the response.
>> I changed the code as above
>> this code too shows an error.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Sidharth Kuruvila <
>> sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> This looks like it's because python's strings have change in python 3.
>>> The characters used to be 8bit bytes but now they are 16 bits wide.
>>>
>>> A quick google tells me that str now has a method called maketrans so
>>> s1.maketrans(s2) should work.
>>>
>>> I'm guessing you are using a tutorial written for one of the older
>>> versions of python. I'd suggest you either find a python 3 based
>>> tutorial or use an older version of python, maybe python 2.6.
>>>
>>> ps Can you cut and paste the code into the mail next time, images are
>>> a pain to work with.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Sidharth
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I am using python IDLE (python3.0.1) . I dont know why this error comes
>>> ? I
>>> > am a new user to python.
>>> >
>>> > the link of the image snapshot is
>>> > http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3405/pythonshell.png
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > ********************
>>> > M.Senthil Kumar
>>> > ********************
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > BangPypers mailing list
>>> > BangPypers at python.org
>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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>>
>>
>>
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>> ********************
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>> ********************
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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>>
>
>
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>
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>
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 11:41:45 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:11:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] WSDL
In-Reply-To: <1528d2590910192350k76f83effh220fbcb02c629e2c@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:20 PM, sudhakar s <ssquery at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hey can any one suggest me way's of writing WSDL  easily.
>

Please don't cross post to another list. Someone in the other list will try
to
do a reply-all and posts will come to this list but won't go through since
they
will be non-members.

Especially, your question is trivial and doesn't worth troubling the
pywebsvcs-talk list I think.

Btw, I understand you are new member, but you seem to be breaking
every unwritten etiquette rule of forums and mailing lists...



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> S Sudhakar.
>
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From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:14:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] help me to fix this error
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On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com>wrote:

> from string import maketrans
> intab = "aeiou"
> outtab = "12345"
> trantab = maketrans(intab,outtab)
> st = "this is string example....wow!!!";
> print(st.translate(trantab))
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
> I got this error,
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "C:\Python30\fullpath.py", line 4, in <module>
>     trantab = maketrans(intab,outtab)
>   File "C:\Python30\lib\string.py", line 55, in maketrans
>     raise TypeError("maketrans arguments must be bytes objects")
> TypeError: maketrans arguments must be bytes objects
>

Spend some time learning Python and use this list only for help on
things which you can't figure out even after trying. Don't use the list
as a help() on paste every other Python exception thrown by the interpreter,
expecting someone to spoon feed your Python trip.

In this case, check out the Python documentation on string module.




>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
> abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>> #!/usr/bin/python
>>>
>>> from string import maketrans
>>> intab = "aeiou"
>>> outtab = "12345"
>>> trantab = intab.maketrans(outtab)
>>>
>>> str = "this is string example....wow!!!";
>>> print str.translate(trantab);
>>>
>>
>>  "print" is a function from python 3.0. Change this to,
>>  print (str.translate(trantab))
>>
>>  And you don't need semi-colons in Python. Semi-colons
>>  are used only to separate 2 expressions in the same line.
>>  Something like
>>
>>  x=2; print x
>>
>>  Here they are superfluous.
>>
>>  And I think "outtab" should be a dict, not string... but I am not sure.
>>
>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Thanks for the response.
>>> I changed the code as above
>>> this code too shows an error.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Sidharth Kuruvila <
>>> sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> This looks like it's because python's strings have change in python 3.
>>>> The characters used to be 8bit bytes but now they are 16 bits wide.
>>>>
>>>> A quick google tells me that str now has a method called maketrans so
>>>> s1.maketrans(s2) should work.
>>>>
>>>> I'm guessing you are using a tutorial written for one of the older
>>>> versions of python. I'd suggest you either find a python 3 based
>>>> tutorial or use an older version of python, maybe python 2.6.
>>>>
>>>> ps Can you cut and paste the code into the mail next time, images are
>>>> a pain to work with.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Sidharth
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > I am using python IDLE (python3.0.1) . I dont know why this error
>>>> comes ? I
>>>> > am a new user to python.
>>>> >
>>>> > the link of the image snapshot is
>>>> > http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3405/pythonshell.png
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > ********************
>>>> > M.Senthil Kumar
>>>> > ********************
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > BangPypers mailing list
>>>> > BangPypers at python.org
>>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> I am but a man.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ********************
>>> M.Senthil Kumar
>>> ********************
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --Anand
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> ********************
> M.Senthil Kumar
> ********************
>
> _______________________________________________
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From msenthil008 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 11:54:56 2009
From: msenthil008 at gmail.com (Senthil Kumar M)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:24:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] help me to fix this error
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See this link. I have tried this site but could not find what is the
mistake.Thats why I send it here.ok?
http://docs.python.org/dev/3.0/library/stdtypes.html?highlight=maketrans#str.maketrans

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> from string import maketrans
>> intab = "aeiou"
>> outtab = "12345"
>> trantab = maketrans(intab,outtab)
>> st = "this is string example....wow!!!";
>>  print(st.translate(trantab))
>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> I got this error,
>>
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "C:\Python30\fullpath.py", line 4, in <module>
>>     trantab = maketrans(intab,outtab)
>>   File "C:\Python30\lib\string.py", line 55, in maketrans
>>     raise TypeError("maketrans arguments must be bytes objects")
>> TypeError: maketrans arguments must be bytes objects
>>
>
> Spend some time learning Python and use this list only for help on
> things which you can't figure out even after trying. Don't use the list
> as a help() on paste every other Python exception thrown by the
> interpreter,
> expecting someone to spoon feed your Python trip.
>
> In this case, check out the Python documentation on string module.
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
>> abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>> #!/usr/bin/python
>>>>
>>>> from string import maketrans
>>>> intab = "aeiou"
>>>> outtab = "12345"
>>>> trantab = intab.maketrans(outtab)
>>>>
>>>> str = "this is string example....wow!!!";
>>>> print str.translate(trantab);
>>>>
>>>
>>>  "print" is a function from python 3.0. Change this to,
>>>  print (str.translate(trantab))
>>>
>>>  And you don't need semi-colons in Python. Semi-colons
>>>  are used only to separate 2 expressions in the same line.
>>>  Something like
>>>
>>>  x=2; print x
>>>
>>>  Here they are superfluous.
>>>
>>>  And I think "outtab" should be a dict, not string... but I am not sure.
>>>
>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Thanks for the response.
>>>> I changed the code as above
>>>> this code too shows an error.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Sidharth Kuruvila <
>>>> sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> This looks like it's because python's strings have change in python 3.
>>>>> The characters used to be 8bit bytes but now they are 16 bits wide.
>>>>>
>>>>> A quick google tells me that str now has a method called maketrans so
>>>>> s1.maketrans(s2) should work.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm guessing you are using a tutorial written for one of the older
>>>>> versions of python. I'd suggest you either find a python 3 based
>>>>> tutorial or use an older version of python, maybe python 2.6.
>>>>>
>>>>> ps Can you cut and paste the code into the mail next time, images are
>>>>> a pain to work with.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Sidharth
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Senthil Kumar M <
>>>>> msenthil008 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I am using python IDLE (python3.0.1) . I dont know why this error
>>>>> comes ? I
>>>>> > am a new user to python.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > the link of the image snapshot is
>>>>> > http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3405/pythonshell.png
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > ********************
>>>>> > M.Senthil Kumar
>>>>> > ********************
>>>>> >
>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>> > BangPypers mailing list
>>>>> > BangPypers at python.org
>>>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> I am but a man.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ********************
>>>> M.Senthil Kumar
>>>> ********************
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --Anand
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ********************
>> M.Senthil Kumar
>> ********************
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --Anand
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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From: ashok.raavi at gmail.com (ashok raavi)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:38:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] help me to fix this error
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On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com>wrote:

> See this link. I have tried this site but could not find what is the
> mistake.Thats why I send it here.ok?
>
> http://docs.python.org/dev/3.0/library/stdtypes.html?highlight=maketrans#str.maketrans
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
> abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> from string import maketrans
>>> intab = "aeiou"
>>> outtab = "12345"
>>> trantab = maketrans(intab,outtab)
>>> st = "this is string example....wow!!!";
>>>  print(st.translate(trantab))
>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> I got this error,
>>>
>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>   File "C:\Python30\fullpath.py", line 4, in <module>
>>>     trantab = maketrans(intab,outtab)
>>>   File "C:\Python30\lib\string.py", line 55, in maketrans
>>>     raise TypeError("maketrans arguments must be bytes objects")
>>> TypeError: maketrans arguments must be bytes objects
>>>
>>
>> Spend some time learning Python and use this list only for help on
>> things which you can't figure out even after trying. Don't use the list
>> as a help() on paste every other Python exception thrown by the
>> interpreter,
>> expecting someone to spoon feed your Python trip.
>>
>> In this case, check out the Python documentation on string module.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
>>> abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> #!/usr/bin/python
>>>>>
>>>>> from string import maketrans
>>>>> intab = "aeiou"
>>>>> outtab = "12345"
>>>>> trantab = intab.maketrans(outtab)
>>>>>
>>>>> str = "this is string example....wow!!!";
>>>>> print str.translate(trantab);
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  "print" is a function from python 3.0. Change this to,
>>>>  print (str.translate(trantab))
>>>>
>>>>  And you don't need semi-colons in Python. Semi-colons
>>>>  are used only to separate 2 expressions in the same line.
>>>>  Something like
>>>>
>>>>  x=2; print x
>>>>
>>>>  Here they are superfluous.
>>>>
>>>>  And I think "outtab" should be a dict, not string... but I am not sure.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Thanks for the response.
>>>>> I changed the code as above
>>>>> this code too shows an error.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Sidharth Kuruvila <
>>>>> sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> This looks like it's because python's strings have change in python 3.
>>>>>> The characters used to be 8bit bytes but now they are 16 bits wide.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A quick google tells me that str now has a method called maketrans so
>>>>>> s1.maketrans(s2) should work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm guessing you are using a tutorial written for one of the older
>>>>>> versions of python. I'd suggest you either find a python 3 based
>>>>>> tutorial or use an older version of python, maybe python 2.6.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ps Can you cut and paste the code into the mail next time, images are
>>>>>> a pain to work with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Sidharth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Senthil Kumar M <
>>>>>> msenthil008 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I am using python IDLE (python3.0.1) . I dont know why this error
>>>>>> comes ? I
>>>>>> > am a new user to python.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > the link of the image snapshot is
>>>>>> > http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3405/pythonshell.png
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > --
>>>>>> > ********************
>>>>>> > M.Senthil Kumar
>>>>>> > ********************
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>>> > BangPypers mailing list
>>>>>> > BangPypers at python.org
>>>>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> I am but a man.
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>>>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> ********************
>>>>> M.Senthil Kumar
>>>>> ********************
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --Anand
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ********************
>>> M.Senthil Kumar
>>> ********************
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --Anand
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> ********************
> M.Senthil Kumar
> ********************
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>
from string import maketrans

as the error message suggests arguments to maketrans must be byte object

intab = b"aeiou"
outtab = b"12345"

trantab = maketrans(intab, outtab)

st = "this is string example....wow!!!";
print(st.translate(trantab))



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From sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 12:08:43 2009
From: sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com (Sidharth Kuruvila)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:38:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] help me to fix this error
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References: <cfa3f0030910200122k4b9d0174udd1ed880e0963c05@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <2ab2ed550910200308w4888c52cub310935e4df64cda@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
  Blargh! Boy! Read the mails! That code you wrote runs fine on 2.6.
But won't run on 3.0.

This should work.

intab = "aeiou"
outtab = "12345"
trantab = str.maketrans(intab,outtab) #Watch this line!
st = "this is string example....wow!!!";
print(st.translate(trantab))

Basically they've moved maketrans from string to str.

Regards,
 Sidharth

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com> wrote:
> from string import maketrans
> intab = "aeiou"
> outtab = "12345"
> trantab = maketrans(intab,outtab)
> st = "this is string example....wow!!!";
> print(st.translate(trantab))
> ------------------------------------------------------
> I got this error,
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> ??File "C:\Python30\fullpath.py", line 4, in <module>
> ?? ?trantab = maketrans(intab,outtab)
> ??File "C:\Python30\lib\string.py", line 55, in maketrans
> ?? ?raise TypeError("maketrans arguments must be bytes objects")
> TypeError: maketrans arguments must be bytes objects
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
> <abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>> #!/usr/bin/python
>>> from string import maketrans
>>> intab = "aeiou"
>>> outtab = "12345"
>>> trantab = intab.maketrans(outtab)
>>> str = "this is string example....wow!!!";
>>> print str.translate(trantab);
>>
>> ?"print" is a function from python 3.0. Change this to,
>> ?print (str.translate(trantab))
>>
>> ?And you don't need semi-colons in Python. Semi-colons
>> ?are used only to separate 2 expressions in the same line.
>> ?Something like
>>
>> ?x=2; print x
>>
>> ?Here they are superfluous.
>>
>> ?And I think "outtab" should be a dict, not string... but I am not sure.
>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Thanks for the response.
>>> I changed the code as above
>>> this code too shows an error.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Sidharth Kuruvila
>>> <sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> This looks like it's because python's strings have change in python 3.
>>>> The characters used to be 8bit bytes but now they are 16 bits wide.
>>>>
>>>> A quick google tells me that str now has a method called maketrans so
>>>> s1.maketrans(s2) should work.
>>>>
>>>> I'm guessing you are using a tutorial written for one of the older
>>>> versions of python. I'd suggest you either find a python 3 based
>>>> tutorial or use an older version of python, maybe python 2.6.
>>>>
>>>> ps Can you cut and paste the code into the mail next time, images are
>>>> a pain to work with.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Sidharth
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > I am using python IDLE (python3.0.1) . I dont know why this error
>>>> > comes ? I
>>>> > am a new user to python.
>>>> >
>>>> > the link of the image snapshot is
>>>> > http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3405/pythonshell.png
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > ********************
>>>> > M.Senthil Kumar
>>>> > ********************
>>>> >
>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>> > BangPypers mailing list
>>>> > BangPypers at python.org
>>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> I am but a man.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ********************
>>> M.Senthil Kumar
>>> ********************
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --Anand
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
>
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> ********************
> M.Senthil Kumar
> ********************
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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From msenthil008 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 12:18:20 2009
From: msenthil008 at gmail.com (Senthil Kumar M)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:48:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] help me to fix this error
In-Reply-To: <2aa122da0910200308q7db8bed6vda85e91bbd71b533@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cfa3f0030910200122k4b9d0174udd1ed880e0963c05@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ab2ed550910200153h4fe17bcby61dfc0df9ae70c14@mail.gmail.com>
	<cfa3f0030910200210n22b2d180yd2828c2fda24c35c@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910200229g39d8380u5f95cbffc0b5a436@mail.gmail.com>
	<cfa3f0030910200241r7dfeee62qd353359e4116bcab@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910200244m33d3aa41re672b1c82b4d38bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<cfa3f0030910200254j46cfac44s7f10ac81d396e457@mail.gmail.com>
	<2aa122da0910200308q7db8bed6vda85e91bbd71b533@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cfa3f0030910200318o2fc3c35bq384ef98867f4f909@mail.gmail.com>

this works fine.thank you

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:38 PM, ashok raavi <ashok.raavi at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> See this link. I have tried this site but could not find what is the
>> mistake.Thats why I send it here.ok?
>>
>> http://docs.python.org/dev/3.0/library/stdtypes.html?highlight=maketrans#str.maketrans
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
>> abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> from string import maketrans
>>>> intab = "aeiou"
>>>> outtab = "12345"
>>>> trantab = maketrans(intab,outtab)
>>>> st = "this is string example....wow!!!";
>>>>  print(st.translate(trantab))
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> I got this error,
>>>>
>>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>   File "C:\Python30\fullpath.py", line 4, in <module>
>>>>     trantab = maketrans(intab,outtab)
>>>>   File "C:\Python30\lib\string.py", line 55, in maketrans
>>>>     raise TypeError("maketrans arguments must be bytes objects")
>>>> TypeError: maketrans arguments must be bytes objects
>>>>
>>>
>>> Spend some time learning Python and use this list only for help on
>>> things which you can't figure out even after trying. Don't use the list
>>> as a help() on paste every other Python exception thrown by the
>>> interpreter,
>>> expecting someone to spoon feed your Python trip.
>>>
>>> In this case, check out the Python documentation on string module.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
>>>> abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Senthil Kumar M <
>>>>> msenthil008 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> #!/usr/bin/python
>>>>>>
>>>>>> from string import maketrans
>>>>>> intab = "aeiou"
>>>>>> outtab = "12345"
>>>>>> trantab = intab.maketrans(outtab)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> str = "this is string example....wow!!!";
>>>>>> print str.translate(trantab);
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  "print" is a function from python 3.0. Change this to,
>>>>>  print (str.translate(trantab))
>>>>>
>>>>>  And you don't need semi-colons in Python. Semi-colons
>>>>>  are used only to separate 2 expressions in the same line.
>>>>>  Something like
>>>>>
>>>>>  x=2; print x
>>>>>
>>>>>  Here they are superfluous.
>>>>>
>>>>>  And I think "outtab" should be a dict, not string... but I am not
>>>>> sure.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Thanks for the response.
>>>>>> I changed the code as above
>>>>>> this code too shows an error.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Sidharth Kuruvila <
>>>>>> sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> This looks like it's because python's strings have change in python
>>>>>>> 3.
>>>>>>> The characters used to be 8bit bytes but now they are 16 bits wide.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A quick google tells me that str now has a method called maketrans so
>>>>>>> s1.maketrans(s2) should work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm guessing you are using a tutorial written for one of the older
>>>>>>> versions of python. I'd suggest you either find a python 3 based
>>>>>>> tutorial or use an older version of python, maybe python 2.6.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ps Can you cut and paste the code into the mail next time, images are
>>>>>>> a pain to work with.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Sidharth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Senthil Kumar M <
>>>>>>> msenthil008 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I am using python IDLE (python3.0.1) . I dont know why this error
>>>>>>> comes ? I
>>>>>>> > am a new user to python.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > the link of the image snapshot is
>>>>>>> > http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3405/pythonshell.png
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>> > ********************
>>>>>>> > M.Senthil Kumar
>>>>>>> > ********************
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> > BangPypers mailing list
>>>>>>> > BangPypers at python.org
>>>>>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> I am but a man.
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>>>>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> ********************
>>>>>> M.Senthil Kumar
>>>>>> ********************
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>>>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> --Anand
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ********************
>>>> M.Senthil Kumar
>>>> ********************
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --Anand
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ********************
>> M.Senthil Kumar
>> ********************
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>>
> from string import maketrans
>
> as the error message suggests arguments to maketrans must be byte object
>
> intab = b"aeiou"
> outtab = b"12345"
>
>
> trantab = maketrans(intab, outtab)
>
> st = "this is string example....wow!!!";
> print(st.translate(trantab))
>
>
>
> --
> ashok raavi
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>


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From mbaiju at zeomega.com  Tue Oct 20 12:23:40 2009
From: mbaiju at zeomega.com (Baiju M)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:53:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Posting style
Message-ID: <c911c70d0910200323u26c8e0c6iadddc72e7384986b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
    I hope this link would be useful for some newly joined
members:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style

Regards,
Baiju M

From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 12:27:54 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:57:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] help me to fix this error
In-Reply-To: <2ab2ed550910200308w4888c52cub310935e4df64cda@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cfa3f0030910200122k4b9d0174udd1ed880e0963c05@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ab2ed550910200153h4fe17bcby61dfc0df9ae70c14@mail.gmail.com>
	<cfa3f0030910200210n22b2d180yd2828c2fda24c35c@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910200229g39d8380u5f95cbffc0b5a436@mail.gmail.com>
	<cfa3f0030910200241r7dfeee62qd353359e4116bcab@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ab2ed550910200308w4888c52cub310935e4df64cda@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910200327m3b8c4b9dqd35d73dc82123322@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Sidharth Kuruvila <
sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>  Blargh! Boy! Read the mails! That code you wrote runs fine on 2.6.
> But won't run on 3.0.
>
> This should work.
>
> intab = "aeiou"
> outtab = "12345"
> trantab = str.maketrans(intab,outtab) #Watch this line!
> st = "this is string example....wow!!!";
> print(st.translate(trantab))
>
> Basically they've moved maketrans from string to str.
>

 Moral of story: Don't use functions on string module, use them on the
string
 object. Using "string.<...>" is bad coding in Python.


>
> Regards,
>  Sidharth
>
>
>


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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Tue Oct 20 12:46:10 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:16:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Posting style
In-Reply-To: <c911c70d0910200323u26c8e0c6iadddc72e7384986b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c911c70d0910200323u26c8e0c6iadddc72e7384986b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910201616.11501.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Tuesday 20 Oct 2009 3:53:40 pm Baiju M wrote:
> Hi,
>     I hope this link would be useful for some newly joined
> members:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style

I am afraid this is going to confuse readers - what we need is 'which of these 
styles is preferred on this list?', or we need to state that this list is 
agnostic to posting styles.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From sridhar.ratna at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 13:50:35 2009
From: sridhar.ratna at gmail.com (srid)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:20:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] I am new to python language. Suggest way to
	improve my skills in python
In-Reply-To: <cfa3f0030910200055i2d631110s75d0dd3488b81548@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cfa3f0030910192304t14603c4dlf94508fc58a1ad50@mail.gmail.com> 
	<3d62196a0910192345m3e6bb3dlabf853c036e3eb92@mail.gmail.com> 
	<cfa3f0030910200055i2d631110s75d0dd3488b81548@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c73a13a0910200450m31a6482bk214fb47bbf1feaa0@mail.gmail.com>

>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> I am new to python language. Suggest way to improve my skills in python

> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> You may find something useful in the answers to these questions.
>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/python+learning

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Senthil Kumar M <msenthil008 at gmail.com> wrote:
> thank the link. I will check

In addition you may want to recall that learning process in general
involves both motivation and repetition. This means, for instance, 1)
having a desire (motivation) to write a great piece of software using
Python .. and reading/writing (repetition) lots of Python code. At
least, that's how it worked for me.

-srid

From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 13:58:52 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:28:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Posting style
In-Reply-To: <c911c70d0910200323u26c8e0c6iadddc72e7384986b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c911c70d0910200323u26c8e0c6iadddc72e7384986b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910200458w3d747d39rebc7227286050e1b@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> ? ?I hope this link would be useful for some newly joined
> members:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style

This helped me when I first ventured into mailing lists and IRC
http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 13:59:15 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:29:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Posting style
In-Reply-To: <200910201616.11501.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <c911c70d0910200323u26c8e0c6iadddc72e7384986b@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910201616.11501.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910200459k58af1ad8h67851ccf01e2d731@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> On Tuesday 20 Oct 2009 3:53:40 pm Baiju M wrote:
>> Hi,
>> ? ? I hope this link would be useful for some newly joined
>> members:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
>
> I am afraid this is going to confuse readers - what we need is 'which of these
> styles is preferred on this list?', or we need to state that this list is
> agnostic to posting styles.
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Project Officer
> NRC-FOSS
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 14:03:21 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:33:21 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Posting style
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910200458w3d747d39rebc7227286050e1b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c911c70d0910200323u26c8e0c6iadddc72e7384986b@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910200458w3d747d39rebc7227286050e1b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910200503q1ce382bjfc179d1428cf00c2@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >    I hope this link would be useful for some newly joined
> > members:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
>
> This helped me when I first ventured into mailing lists and IRC
> http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html<http://catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html>
>

+1<<21

This needs to be compulsory reading for those who post to forums
especially n00bs so that they don't become lusers.

I will add this link to welcome message of this list.


>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Tue Oct 20 14:01:14 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:31:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Posting style
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910200458w3d747d39rebc7227286050e1b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c911c70d0910200323u26c8e0c6iadddc72e7384986b@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910200458w3d747d39rebc7227286050e1b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910201731.14508.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Tuesday 20 Oct 2009 5:28:52 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >    I hope this link would be useful for some newly joined
> > members:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
>
> This helped me when I first ventured into mailing lists and IRC
> http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

here are the guidelines for ilugc:
http://demo.ilugc.org.in/report/4/

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Tue Oct 20 14:23:01 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:53:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Posting style
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910200503q1ce382bjfc179d1428cf00c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c911c70d0910200323u26c8e0c6iadddc72e7384986b@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910200458w3d747d39rebc7227286050e1b@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910200503q1ce382bjfc179d1428cf00c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910201753.02175.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Tuesday 20 Oct 2009 5:33:21 pm Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> > This helped me when I first ventured into mailing lists and IRC
> > http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html<http://catb.org/%7Eesr/faq
> >s/smart-questions.html>
>
> +1<<21
>
> This needs to be compulsory reading for those who post to forums
> especially n00bs so that they don't become lusers.
>
> I will add this link to welcome message of this list.

once again I need to emphasise that first we need to decide whether this list 
will have recommended posting guidelines - else, every time anyone is reminded 
of it he will say 'who you to tell me how to post?'

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 14:36:30 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:06:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Posting style
In-Reply-To: <200910201753.02175.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <c911c70d0910200323u26c8e0c6iadddc72e7384986b@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910200458w3d747d39rebc7227286050e1b@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910200503q1ce382bjfc179d1428cf00c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910201753.02175.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910200536w2a074d80l8004930e6b8fc5ce@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Tuesday 20 Oct 2009 5:33:21 pm Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> > > This helped me when I first ventured into mailing lists and IRC
> > > http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html<http://catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html>
> <http://catb.org/%7Eesr/faq
> > >s/smart-questions.html>
> >
> > +1<<21
> >
> > This needs to be compulsory reading for those who post to forums
> > especially n00bs so that they don't become lusers.
> >
> > I will add this link to welcome message of this list.
>
> once again I need to emphasise that first we need to decide whether this
> list
> will have recommended posting guidelines - else, every time anyone is
> reminded
> of it he will say 'who you to tell me how to post?'
>

 Yes. It is better to have some guidelines and being informed up front
 when joining the list than having to remind each and every person,
 "do this, do that, don't do this, don't use attachments, don't X post"
etc...



> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Project Officer
> NRC-FOSS
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From steve at lonetwin.net  Tue Oct 20 14:49:14 2009
From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:19:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Posting style
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910200536w2a074d80l8004930e6b8fc5ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c911c70d0910200323u26c8e0c6iadddc72e7384986b@mail.gmail.com>	<9963e56e0910200458w3d747d39rebc7227286050e1b@mail.gmail.com>	<8548c5f30910200503q1ce382bjfc179d1428cf00c2@mail.gmail.com>	<200910201753.02175.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<8548c5f30910200536w2a074d80l8004930e6b8fc5ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ADDB1CA.6030708@lonetwin.net>

On 10/20/2009 06:06 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org
>      > I will add this link to welcome message of this list.
>
>     once again I need to emphasise that first we need to decide whether
>     this list
>     will have recommended posting guidelines - else, every time anyone
>     is reminded
>     of it he will say 'who you to tell me how to post?'
>
>
>   Yes. It is better to have some guidelines and being informed up front
>   when joining the list than having to remind each and every person,
> "do this, do that, don't do this, don't use attachments, don't X post"
> etc...

I vote for mandating interleaved posting and non-html mail. The non-html is 
because, looking at code, especially python code, in a variable width font is 
painful and interleaved posting because it just is the most natural manner to 
carry on a conversation with more than one person.

...and for people who think that nobody can tell them how they should post would 
be also spared any comments from me (and possibly others too). Everybody wins !

cheers,
- steve

-- 
random non tech spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/
tech randomness: http://lonehacks.blogspot.com/
what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 15:02:58 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:32:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] HTML Parsing in python
In-Reply-To: <9a1343d10909100714g348e26f0w577108bf49c89856@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9a1343d10909100159v24192079q303e2ff9fdef211f@mail.gmail.com>
	<a9acd2e50909100637m6c22caa9ia2d96291a4ff2210@mail.gmail.com>
	<9a1343d10909100714g348e26f0w577108bf49c89856@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910200602p6d121f39j796abcbc461840f1@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Puneet Aggarwal <look4puneet at gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks all for the suggestions. I think I will start with BeautifulSoup
> (3.0.7a) and will experiment with other suggested libs if it does not fit
> into my requirement or if I face issues with this.
>

 You are not going to believe this, but the creator of BeautifulSoup
(Leonardo)
 advised me to use the SGMLParser module in Python for parsing HTML.  This
 was back in 2004 (or 2005) when I had written to him regarding
BeautifulSoup
 as parser in HarvestMan. He advised me to derive a wrapper from SGMLParser
 and thats what I did.

 In case you are interested, you can check out the HTML parser used in
HarvestMan.
It is available at,


http://harvestman-crawler.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/HarvestMan/harvestman/lib/pageparser.py



>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Baishampayan Ghose <b.ghose at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> > Can anyone suggest me a good library for html parsing in python ?
>> > I googled a found few libararies BeautifulSoup, HTMLParser, SGMLParser
>> etc.
>> >
>> > Can anyone suggest me which should I go for from your experience.
>>
>> BeautifulSoup was OK, but now it's broken. Use lxml, it's very good.
>>
>> http://codespeak.net/lxml/
>>
>> Regards,
>> BG
>>
>>
>> --
>> Baishampayan Ghose
>> b.ghose at gmail.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>


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From yuvipanda at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 15:04:55 2009
From: yuvipanda at gmail.com (Yuvi Panda)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:34:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] HTML Parsing in python
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910200602p6d121f39j796abcbc461840f1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9a1343d10909100159v24192079q303e2ff9fdef211f@mail.gmail.com>
	<a9acd2e50909100637m6c22caa9ia2d96291a4ff2210@mail.gmail.com>
	<9a1343d10909100714g348e26f0w577108bf49c89856@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910200602p6d121f39j796abcbc461840f1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45ec909c0910200604s408d418dscacdc36fb0166d49@mail.gmail.com>

I use lxml.html. Just as good, and MUCH faster. A pain to install though.

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Puneet Aggarwal <look4puneet at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Thanks all for the suggestions. I think I will start with BeautifulSoup
>> (3.0.7a) and will experiment with other suggested libs if it does not fit
>> into my requirement or if I face issues with this.
>>
>
>  You are not going to believe this, but the creator of BeautifulSoup
> (Leonardo)
>  advised me to use the SGMLParser module in Python for parsing HTML.  This
>  was back in 2004 (or 2005) when I had written to him regarding
> BeautifulSoup
>  as parser in HarvestMan. He advised me to derive a wrapper from SGMLParser
>  and thats what I did.
>
>  In case you are interested, you can check out the HTML parser used in
> HarvestMan.
> It is available at,
>
>
> http://harvestman-crawler.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/HarvestMan/harvestman/lib/pageparser.py
>
>
>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Baishampayan Ghose <b.ghose at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> > Can anyone suggest me a good library for html parsing in python ?
>>> > I googled a found few libararies BeautifulSoup, HTMLParser, SGMLParser
>>> etc.
>>> >
>>> > Can anyone suggest me which should I go for from your experience.
>>>
>>> BeautifulSoup was OK, but now it's broken. Use lxml, it's very good.
>>>
>>> http://codespeak.net/lxml/
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> BG
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Baishampayan Ghose
>>> b.ghose at gmail.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --Anand
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>


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From sridhar.ratna at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 15:17:03 2009
From: sridhar.ratna at gmail.com (srid)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:47:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] HTML Parsing in python
In-Reply-To: <45ec909c0910200604s408d418dscacdc36fb0166d49@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9a1343d10909100159v24192079q303e2ff9fdef211f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<a9acd2e50909100637m6c22caa9ia2d96291a4ff2210@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9a1343d10909100714g348e26f0w577108bf49c89856@mail.gmail.com> 
	<8548c5f30910200602p6d121f39j796abcbc461840f1@mail.gmail.com> 
	<45ec909c0910200604s408d418dscacdc36fb0166d49@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c73a13a0910200617td3e97b8ye8cce41b78d7973b@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 6:34 PM, Yuvi Panda <yuvipanda at gmail.com> wrote:
> I use lxml.html. Just as good, and MUCH faster. A pain to install though.

If you're using ActivePython, the following command is just enough to
get lxml installed on Mac, Linux or Windows:

  $ pypm install lxml

http://docs.activestate.com/activepython/2.6/pypm.html

-srid

From sridhar.ratna at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 04:36:06 2009
From: sridhar.ratna at gmail.com (srid)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:06:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] An interesting beginner post at Stackoverflow
Message-ID: <7c73a13a0910201936l7005534cud028489bfeb2a5c5@mail.gmail.com>

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1597764/is-there-a-better-pythonic-way-to-do-this

Someone wrote their *first* Python program asking for a more Pythonic
way to do it ... and gets valuable feedback from the community
including Alex Martelli.

I am now researching on a way to gather top posts (w/ python tag) on
Stackoverflow to create something similar to weeklyreddit.appspot.com
...

-srid

From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 04:59:27 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 08:29:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] An interesting beginner post at Stackoverflow
In-Reply-To: <7c73a13a0910201936l7005534cud028489bfeb2a5c5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c73a13a0910201936l7005534cud028489bfeb2a5c5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c4dc2780910201959k3a836bd8o10d18afbd50eb93a@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:06 AM, srid <sridhar.ratna at gmail.com> wrote:
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1597764/is-there-a-better-pythonic-way-to-do-this
>
Nice.  Martelli says:
    (avoid setdefault, that was never a good design and doesn't have
     good performance either, as well as being pretty murky)

Any idea why?

> I am now researching on a way to gather top posts (w/ python tag) on
> Stackoverflow to create something similar to weeklyreddit.appspot.com
>
Weekly Reddit is such a cool idea, except I end up checking proggit
frequently anyways.  Then I guilt out when I get the rss posts on
Sunday.  :-S

Roshan Mathews

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 21 07:38:42 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:08:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Posting style
In-Reply-To: <4ADDB1CA.6030708@lonetwin.net>
References: <c911c70d0910200323u26c8e0c6iadddc72e7384986b@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910200536w2a074d80l8004930e6b8fc5ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ADDB1CA.6030708@lonetwin.net>
Message-ID: <200910211108.43226.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Tuesday 20 Oct 2009 6:19:14 pm steve wrote:
> >   Yes. It is better to have some guidelines and being informed up front
> >   when joining the list than having to remind each and every person,
> > "do this, do that, don't do this, don't use attachments, don't X post"
> > etc...
>
> I vote for mandating interleaved posting and non-html mail. The non-html is
> because, looking at code, especially python code, in a variable width font
> is painful and interleaved posting because it just is the most natural
> manner to carry on a conversation with more than one person.

I suggest that we more or less adopt something similar to what ILUGC has, 
Anand may make suitable modifications and put it up in a wiki page - after an 
appropriate period it may become holy writ.

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 08:35:14 2009
From: sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com (Sidharth Kuruvila)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:05:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] An interesting beginner post at Stackoverflow
In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2780910201959k3a836bd8o10d18afbd50eb93a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c73a13a0910201936l7005534cud028489bfeb2a5c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<1c4dc2780910201959k3a836bd8o10d18afbd50eb93a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ab2ed550910202335l26c40df1ia37b779f6b0609a1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

 d = {"a":"Hello"}

 print d.setdefault("a", "blah")

 Even though the string blah is not being used an object has to be
created to represent it. Even worse, you could put some complex
expression in there expecting it to evaluate only if the key is
missing.

Regards,
Sidharth


On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:06 AM, srid <sridhar.ratna at gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1597764/is-there-a-better-pythonic-way-to-do-this
>>
> Nice. ?Martelli says:
> ? ?(avoid setdefault, that was never a good design and doesn't have
> ? ? good performance either, as well as being pretty murky)
>
> Any idea why?
>
>> I am now researching on a way to gather top posts (w/ python tag) on
>> Stackoverflow to create something similar to weeklyreddit.appspot.com
>>
> Weekly Reddit is such a cool idea, except I end up checking proggit
> frequently anyways. ?Then I guilt out when I get the rss posts on
> Sunday. ?:-S
>
> Roshan Mathews
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
I am but a man.

From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 08:42:10 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:12:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] An interesting beginner post at Stackoverflow
In-Reply-To: <2ab2ed550910202335l26c40df1ia37b779f6b0609a1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c73a13a0910201936l7005534cud028489bfeb2a5c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<1c4dc2780910201959k3a836bd8o10d18afbd50eb93a@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ab2ed550910202335l26c40df1ia37b779f6b0609a1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c4dc2780910202342r2cbae113ye0938a646270e1a0@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Sidharth Kuruvila
<sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com> wrote:
> ?d = {"a":"Hello"}
> ?print d.setdefault("a", "blah")
>
> ?Even though the string blah is not being used an object has to be
> created to represent it. Even worse, you could put some complex
> expression in there expecting it to evaluate only if the key is
> missing.
>
Oh, alright.

Roshan Mathews

From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 08:49:31 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:19:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] An interesting beginner post at Stackoverflow
In-Reply-To: <2ab2ed550910202335l26c40df1ia37b779f6b0609a1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c73a13a0910201936l7005534cud028489bfeb2a5c5@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1c4dc2780910201959k3a836bd8o10d18afbd50eb93a@mail.gmail.com> 
	<2ab2ed550910202335l26c40df1ia37b779f6b0609a1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910202349t788f11b1re018c7621983ee77@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Sidharth Kuruvila
<sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> ?d = {"a":"Hello"}
>
> ?print d.setdefault("a", "blah")
>
> ?Even though the string blah is not being used an object has to be
> created to represent it. Even worse, you could put some complex
> expression in there expecting it to evaluate only if the key is
> missing.

Your explanation is correct for the case of expressions but not for
string "blah".

Literal strings are interned. Python maintains a dict of all literal
strings used in the code and all occurrences get the same object.

>>> id("hello")
600320
>>> id("hello")
600320

But if it is an expression, different object is created every time.

>>> id("he" + "llo")
600704
>>> id("he" + "llo")
600768

Anand

From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 08:59:51 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:29:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] An interesting beginner post at Stackoverflow
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910202349t788f11b1re018c7621983ee77@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c73a13a0910201936l7005534cud028489bfeb2a5c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<1c4dc2780910201959k3a836bd8o10d18afbd50eb93a@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ab2ed550910202335l26c40df1ia37b779f6b0609a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910202349t788f11b1re018c7621983ee77@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c4dc2780910202359k44813b61se3f2e0638171cfc5@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
> Literal strings are interned. Python maintains a dict of all literal
> strings used in the code and all occurrences get the same object.
>
What do you mean when you use the word "interned"?

>>>> id("hello")
> 600320
>>>> id("hello")
> 600320
>

Roshan Mathews

From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 09:01:43 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:31:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] An interesting beginner post at Stackoverflow
In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2780910202359k44813b61se3f2e0638171cfc5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c73a13a0910201936l7005534cud028489bfeb2a5c5@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1c4dc2780910201959k3a836bd8o10d18afbd50eb93a@mail.gmail.com> 
	<2ab2ed550910202335l26c40df1ia37b779f6b0609a1@mail.gmail.com> 
	<41139fcb0910202349t788f11b1re018c7621983ee77@mail.gmail.com> 
	<1c4dc2780910202359k44813b61se3f2e0638171cfc5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910210001t328977bdre7c264ae2db968e9@mail.gmail.com>

> What do you mean when you use the word "interned"?

$ pydoc intern
Help on built-in function intern in module __builtin__:

intern(...)
    intern(string) -> string

    ``Intern'' the given string.  This enters the string in the (global)
    table of interned strings whose purpose is to speed up dictionary lookups.
    Return the string itself or the previously interned string object with the
    same value.

From ardsrk at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 09:21:54 2009
From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:51:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Open Calais ? Bellenix meeting
In-Reply-To: <3d62196a0910190754w2c1c0c03w1dd1553e42f71cf7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910180822r71e0cb8aj2bb8f719235a0054@mail.gmail.com>
	<49977f270910180900w607a530bgb86eb53bf25825ed@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910182247g5a5e47cao1a937092ea63908a@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d62196a0910190754w2c1c0c03w1dd1553e42f71cf7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3d62196a0910210021j4f2e0b07hc835f069e93d4e4c@mail.gmail.com>

There is a small correction with respect to the percentage value given to
the entity. I previously thought that the percentage value with the entity
indicated how sure OpenCalais was on the element being an entity. That turns
out to be incorrect.

 Thomas from OpenCalais team mailed me the correction and it goes like this:

"Just a quick note on an email I saw on this list. The % returned by Calais
with an entity is not the certainty of correctness ? but something much
cooler. It?s actually the computed relevance of the entity to the document
as a whole. Feed it an article with a bunch of entities mentions and we?ll
attempt to identify the most important entities in the content.

Great for noise level reduction in tagging, etc."

Thanks Thomas.

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com>wrote:

> The demo given by Anand on semantic search of feeds using OpenCalais was
> very interesting.
> The fact that his app essentially did something that Feedly<http://www.feedly.com/>( based on Google Reader ) does piqued my interest.
>
> Feedly too uses OpenCalais to get semantic information on a blog post and
> for search.
> If you use Google Reader as a RSS reader then you have to check out Feedly.
>
> Anand used python-calais <http://code.google.com/p/python-calais/> for
> communicating to the OpenCalais API<http://opencalais.com/documentation/calais-web-service-api/api-invocation/rest>
> .
> Anand then showed how OpenCalais categorized the input text into entities,
> topics and relations.
> With every entity OpenCalais attached a percentage that indicated how sure
> it was on the element being the entity
> whose identity was given by a URL. For instance, there is a URL identiying
> the entity "Android" as a product.
>
> Open Calais is exciting new technology that has made information gathering
> applications like Feedly and Klezio <http://www.klezio.com/> possible.
> Another application is Tagaroo <http://tagaroo.opencalais.com/> a
> wordpress plugin that automatically generates tags as you type your blog
> post.
>
> In the meetup Anand said that the current state-of-the-art of semantic web
> is not even 5% of its potential. A quick search of the term
> imagine semantic web<http://www.readwriteweb.com/fastsearch?search=imagine+semantic+web&x=0&y=0>on ReadWriteWeb shows that a lot of businesses and visionaries are betting
> big on semantic web and know that
> it has a lot of potential.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
> abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >  I had some stuff to take care of and was too tired to attend the
>>> > meeting. How did it go? Any tidbits that the list might benefit from?
>>> >
>>>
>>> The opencalais session was good. I'm going to tell my colleagues about
>>> this, and they'd surely explore it more.
>>>
>>> Anand and Ramdas have asked that we have sessions again with more
>>> detail. I agree, since the scant amount of ZFS that I showcased today
>>> was in itself radically different from what we all know from other
>>> file systems.
>>>
>>> I request feedback from other attendees on today's ZFS session. Please
>>> let me know what else you'd have liked me to cover at an introduction
>>> level.
>>>
>>
>> We had a good meeting. There were some initial hiccups with the
>> projector but moving to a separate meeting room solved it.
>>
>> I presented a brief introduction to semantic web and showcased the
>> OpenCalais API using python-calais. I showed how to extract semantic
>> concepts (categories) from existing data using the API.
>>
>> I went on to demo my application which listens to a couple of mobile
>> phone news feeds and uses semantic information returned by OpenCalais
>> to provide specific natural language queries (not exactly NLP there yet,
>> but I am simulating NLP like queries) which return specific answers.
>>
>> The demo showed making a query on "cost of motorola android" and
>> this returning the specific data requested on the price of the most
>> recent motorola android mobile phones.
>>
>> I will wait for some other attendee for their feedback on how good
>> this was rather than making the comment myself :)
>>
>> This was followed by a very good session by Sriram and Moinak on
>> the capabilities of ZFS. I don't want to get into details, but I was blown
>> away by the capabilities of ZFS. I had only read about it before and never
>> seen it in action, so when Sriram showed how to increase the storage
>> of an existing volume by adding another device and just adding it to
>> the volume using "zfs add" it was just too good to believe. ZFS
>> makes those actions which could take hours using Linux ext3
>> look trivial and done within seconds...!
>>
>> We started the ZFS session a bit late i.e around 5.30 pm so there
>> was not much time to showcase all the bits planned. We dispersed
>> around 6.10 pm.
>>
>> We were 7 attendees in total.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -- Sriram
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --Anand
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>>
>

From rmathews at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 09:43:31 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:13:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] An interesting beginner post at Stackoverflow
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910210001t328977bdre7c264ae2db968e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c73a13a0910201936l7005534cud028489bfeb2a5c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<1c4dc2780910201959k3a836bd8o10d18afbd50eb93a@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ab2ed550910202335l26c40df1ia37b779f6b0609a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910202349t788f11b1re018c7621983ee77@mail.gmail.com>
	<1c4dc2780910202359k44813b61se3f2e0638171cfc5@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910210001t328977bdre7c264ae2db968e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c4dc2780910210043g6ffd4946u33e3277ddeba397b@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
> ? ?``Intern'' the given string. ?This enters the string in the (global)
> ? ?table of interned strings whose purpose is to speed up dictionary lookups.
> ? ?Return the string itself or the previously interned string object with the
> ? ?same value.
>

Thanks, I didn't know of that.  It could be useful sometime.  Anyways,
for the current discussion intern-ing is irrelevant.

>>> id('superman')
30792544
>>> id('superman')
30792544
>>> id('superman')
30792544
>>> id('superman')
30792544
>>> id('superman')
30792544
>>> id('super man')
31955768
>>> id('super man')
31955488
>>> id('super man')
31956768
>>> id('super man')
31955768
>>> id('super man')
31955488

Also, http://mail.python.org/pipermail/tutor/2009-July/070157.html

Roshan Mathews

From sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 09:44:13 2009
From: sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com (Sidharth Kuruvila)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:14:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] An interesting beginner post at Stackoverflow
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910210001t328977bdre7c264ae2db968e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c73a13a0910201936l7005534cud028489bfeb2a5c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<1c4dc2780910201959k3a836bd8o10d18afbd50eb93a@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ab2ed550910202335l26c40df1ia37b779f6b0609a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910202349t788f11b1re018c7621983ee77@mail.gmail.com>
	<1c4dc2780910202359k44813b61se3f2e0638171cfc5@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910210001t328977bdre7c264ae2db968e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ab2ed550910210044s1024963ci852fb14fb73afc0f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
  My bad, that was a bit of laziness on my part. The reason why my
code was silly is not to do with interning though that does happen for
strings. Literals, that is numbers and string literals and a few
others are loaded as constants. So the cost of constructing them in
your code has already been taken care of.

A better example would be something like

d = {"a":[1,2,3,4]}

print d.setdefault("a", [])


Interning is an optimization done to speed up the comparison of
strings, by making sure that two string with the same text are
represented by the same object.

Regards,
Sidharth


On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
>> What do you mean when you use the word "interned"?
>
> $ pydoc intern
> Help on built-in function intern in module __builtin__:
>
> intern(...)
> ? ?intern(string) -> string
>
> ? ?``Intern'' the given string. ?This enters the string in the (global)
> ? ?table of interned strings whose purpose is to speed up dictionary lookups.
> ? ?Return the string itself or the previously interned string object with the
> ? ?same value.
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
I am but a man.

From scorpion032 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 10:07:11 2009
From: scorpion032 at gmail.com (Lakshman Prasad)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:37:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] An interesting beginner post at Stackoverflow
In-Reply-To: <2ab2ed550910210044s1024963ci852fb14fb73afc0f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c73a13a0910201936l7005534cud028489bfeb2a5c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<1c4dc2780910201959k3a836bd8o10d18afbd50eb93a@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ab2ed550910202335l26c40df1ia37b779f6b0609a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910202349t788f11b1re018c7621983ee77@mail.gmail.com>
	<1c4dc2780910202359k44813b61se3f2e0638171cfc5@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910210001t328977bdre7c264ae2db968e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ab2ed550910210044s1024963ci852fb14fb73afc0f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d38edb550910210107w54ddd56bma94b358f2bb8f00e@mail.gmail.com>

On a similar note, here's a question I recently asked and obtained good
input about tail recursion optimization.
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1414581/python-recursive-program-to-prime-factorize-a-number

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Sidharth Kuruvila <
sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>  My bad, that was a bit of laziness on my part. The reason why my
> code was silly is not to do with interning though that does happen for
> strings. Literals, that is numbers and string literals and a few
> others are loaded as constants. So the cost of constructing them in
> your code has already been taken care of.
>
> A better example would be something like
>
> d = {"a":[1,2,3,4]}
>
> print d.setdefault("a", [])
>
>
> Interning is an optimization done to speed up the comparison of
> strings, by making sure that two string with the same text are
> represented by the same object.
>
> Regards,
> Sidharth
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> What do you mean when you use the word "interned"?
> >
> > $ pydoc intern
> > Help on built-in function intern in module __builtin__:
> >
> > intern(...)
> >    intern(string) -> string
> >
> >    ``Intern'' the given string.  This enters the string in the (global)
> >    table of interned strings whose purpose is to speed up dictionary
> lookups.
> >    Return the string itself or the previously interned string object with
> the
> >    same value.
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
>
> --
> I am but a man.
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Regards,
Lakshman
becomingguru.com
lakshmanprasad.com

From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 10:29:13 2009
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:59:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Posting style
In-Reply-To: <200910201731.14508.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <c911c70d0910200323u26c8e0c6iadddc72e7384986b@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910200458w3d747d39rebc7227286050e1b@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910201731.14508.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <bf97ab890910210129h4c6af9aav76b0775a5bf6b2a0@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Tuesday 20 Oct 2009 5:28:52 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.com> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >    I hope this link would be useful for some newly joined
> > > members:
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
> >
> > This helped me when I first ventured into mailing lists and IRC
> > http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html<http://catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html>
>
> here are the guidelines for ilugc:
> http://demo.ilugc.org.in/report/4/
>
>
I have a feeling, far out in the future when driving on either side of the
road will be just as convenient,
we shall still continue to see ex traffic wardens attempting to enforce
drive on the left or drive on the
right rules simply because thats the way things are done over here - quite
oblivious to the fact that the
rest of the world really doesn't care a whiff. I sometimes do wonder why it
counts for so much - I mean
I can read top / bottom / interleaved posts with adequate comfort without
having to bother to pause to
wonder what style of post it is. The best rules are those which are never
imposed :)


--
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Project Officer
> NRC-FOSS
> http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
--------------------------------------------------------
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twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene http://twitter.com/_pythonic

From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Wed Oct 21 11:19:16 2009
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:49:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers]  Posting style
In-Reply-To: <bf97ab890910210129h4c6af9aav76b0775a5bf6b2a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01C36E11@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

>> The best rules are those which are never imposed :)
+1,excellent.




Regards,
Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy.
--------------
I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.
- Confucius.

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 21 11:50:40 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:20:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Posting style
In-Reply-To: <bf97ab890910210129h4c6af9aav76b0775a5bf6b2a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c911c70d0910200323u26c8e0c6iadddc72e7384986b@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910201731.14508.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<bf97ab890910210129h4c6af9aav76b0775a5bf6b2a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910211520.40636.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 21 Oct 2009 1:59:13 pm Dhananjay Nene wrote:
> I have a feeling, far out in the future when driving on either side of the
> road will be just as convenient,

how will that be achieved? If people chose which side they wanted to drive on 
would they not crash into each other?

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From kushaldas at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 12:18:45 2009
From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:48:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Posting style
In-Reply-To: <200910201731.14508.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <c911c70d0910200323u26c8e0c6iadddc72e7384986b@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910200458w3d747d39rebc7227286050e1b@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910201731.14508.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <b399909d0910210318r69908c3am2a938e79cf6aea65@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
>
> here are the guidelines for ilugc:
> http://demo.ilugc.org.in/report/4/
>
I generally ask people to read [1].


[1] http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/mailing-list-etiquette.pdf


Kushal
-- 
http://fedoraproject.org
http://kushaldas.in

From steve at lonetwin.net  Wed Oct 21 12:45:05 2009
From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:15:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Posting style
In-Reply-To: <bf97ab890910210129h4c6af9aav76b0775a5bf6b2a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c911c70d0910200323u26c8e0c6iadddc72e7384986b@mail.gmail.com>	<9963e56e0910200458w3d747d39rebc7227286050e1b@mail.gmail.com>	<200910201731.14508.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<bf97ab890910210129h4c6af9aav76b0775a5bf6b2a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ADEE631.7000401@lonetwin.net>

Actually not quite true. You'd need to be very smart to be able to do that.

On 10/21/2009 01:59 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves<lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:
>
>>  On Tuesday 20 Oct 2009 5:28:52 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
>>  >  On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 3:53 PM, Baiju M<mbaiju at zeomega.com>  wrote:
>>  >  >  Hi,
>>  >  >     I hope this link would be useful for some newly joined
>>  >  >  members:
>>  >  >  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style
>>  >
>>  >  This helped me when I first ventured into mailing lists and IRC
>>  >  http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html<http://catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html>
>>
>>  here are the guidelines for ilugc:
>>  http://demo.ilugc.org.in/report/4/
>>
>>
> I have a feeling, far out in the future when driving on either side of the
> road will be just as convenient,
> we shall still continue to see ex traffic wardens attempting to enforce
> drive on the left or drive on the
> right rules simply because thats the way things are done over here - quite
> oblivious to the fact that the
> rest of the world really doesn't care a whiff. I sometimes do wonder why it
> counts for so much - I mean
> I can read top / bottom / interleaved posts with adequate comfort without
> having to bother to pause to
> wonder what style of post it is. The best rules are those which are never
> imposed :)
>
Could you figure out from my top post above the *context* in which I made the 
remark ? Was my comment about the driving rules or the posting style ?

The whole *point* about interleaved posting is knowing the *context* of the 
replies. Rules /evolved/ for a reason.

If that doesn't make things clear, I can't imagine what would.

cheers,
- steve

-- 
random non tech spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/
tech randomness: http://lonehacks.blogspot.com/
what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 21 12:43:26 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:13:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Posting style
In-Reply-To: <b399909d0910210318r69908c3am2a938e79cf6aea65@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c911c70d0910200323u26c8e0c6iadddc72e7384986b@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910201731.14508.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<b399909d0910210318r69908c3am2a938e79cf6aea65@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910211613.26378.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 21 Oct 2009 3:48:45 pm Kushal Das wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> 
wrote:
> > here are the guidelines for ilugc:
> > http://demo.ilugc.org.in/report/4/
>
> I generally ask people to read [1].
>
>
> [1]
> http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/mailing-list-etiquet
>te.pdf

same thing
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 21 13:12:22 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:42:22 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] needed a project proposal
Message-ID: <200910211642.22428.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

hi,

there is a person who is a brilliant mathematician/cryptographer who has 
recently taken up python. I need a solid project proposal to hook him - 
preferably something in an existing project that really needs to be done. Any 
ideas?
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 21:48:14 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:18:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Let's have an indepth session on some opensolaris
	technologies
Message-ID: <49977f270910211248k58c93885q16a515a6ad88eedc@mail.gmail.com>

[BCC: Various Bangalore tech lists that I'm a member of]

Folks:

A number of us have heard of opensolaris and of technologies such as
ZFS, Dtrace, Zones, etc. After giving small intro sessions on ZFS and
on Zones, I've been approached by various attendees who have wanted an
indepth intro to opensolaris technologies.

The survey below will help us decide on the date/time/venue/topics of
this session.

http://tinyurl.com/blr2009opensolaris

-- Sriram

From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Thu Oct 22 06:37:10 2009
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:07:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Let's have an indepth session on some
	opensolaristechnologies
In-Reply-To: <49977f270910211248k58c93885q16a515a6ad88eedc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01C36E8F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

 
Some time ago I read an article regarding Linus complaining about the
license of  a file system,Is it the ZFS?
Anyway I am not much into linux, just want to double check..

Regards,
Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy.
--------------
I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.
- Confucius.

-----Original Message-----
From: bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy=akebonosoft.com at python.org
[mailto:bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy=akebonosoft.com at python.o
rg] On Behalf Of Sriram Narayanan
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:18 AM
To: sriramnrn at gmail.com
Subject: [BangPypers] Let's have an indepth session on some
opensolaristechnologies

[BCC: Various Bangalore tech lists that I'm a member of]

Folks:

A number of us have heard of opensolaris and of technologies such as
ZFS, Dtrace, Zones, etc. After giving small intro sessions on ZFS and on
Zones, I've been approached by various attendees who have wanted an
indepth intro to opensolaris technologies.

The survey below will help us decide on the date/time/venue/topics of
this session.

http://tinyurl.com/blr2009opensolaris

-- Sriram
_______________________________________________
BangPypers mailing list
BangPypers at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers

From lists.amitsaha at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 15:13:19 2009
From: lists.amitsaha at gmail.com (Amit Saha)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:43:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] 2-cent Tip: Load modules at Startup
Message-ID: <4AE05A6F.70302@gmail.com>

Hello:

I have been using CPython as a calculator, while I do all those number 
crunching in C. SO, 'import math' is a must.

This is what I did:

- Create a file: .pythonrc in my $HOME and place this line:

  <code>
    import math
</code>

- Now in your BASH, .bashrc or similar: export PYTHONSTARTUP= 
$HOME/.pythonrc

Everytime you start Python interactively, you should have the 'math' 
module already imported.

<code>

$ python
Python 2.6.4rc1 (r264rc1:75270, Oct 10 2009, 02:40:56)
[GCC 4.4.1] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
 >>> math.pi
3.1415926535897931

</code>

Hope this helps.


-Amit
-- 
Journal: http://amitksaha.wordpress.com
?-blog: http://twitter.com/amitsaha
IRC: cornucopic on #scheme, #lisp, #math, #linux

From rmathews at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 15:50:13 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:20:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] 2-cent Tip: Load modules at Startup
In-Reply-To: <4AE05A6F.70302@gmail.com>
References: <4AE05A6F.70302@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c4dc2780910220650y4015e83et6f36fd31b0a4374e@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Amit Saha <lists.amitsaha at gmail.com> wrote:
> - Create a file: .pythonrc in my $HOME and place this line:
>
Thanks for the tip.  I don't use this myself, but I had read this in
Peter Norvig's Python IAQ, which makes interesting reading.  It's
available online at http://norvig.com/python-iaq.html

Do let on if you find anything else particularly useful. :)

Roshan Mathews

From lists.amitsaha at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 16:05:20 2009
From: lists.amitsaha at gmail.com (Amit Saha)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:35:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] 2-cent Tip: Load modules at Startup
In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2780910220650y4015e83et6f36fd31b0a4374e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AE05A6F.70302@gmail.com>
	<1c4dc2780910220650y4015e83et6f36fd31b0a4374e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AE066A0.7040205@gmail.com>

Roshan Mathews wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Amit Saha <lists.amitsaha at gmail.com> wrote:
>> - Create a file: .pythonrc in my $HOME and place this line:
>>
> Thanks for the tip.  I don't use this myself, but I had read this in
> Peter Norvig's Python IAQ, which makes interesting reading.  It's
> available online at http://norvig.com/python-iaq.html

Nice. Thanks for sharing.

> 
> Do let on if you find anything else particularly useful. :)

With oodles of pleasure.

-Amit
> 
> Roshan Mathews
> 


-- 
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?-blog: http://twitter.com/amitsaha
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From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 16:11:53 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:41:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] 2-cent Tip: Load modules at Startup
In-Reply-To: <4AE05A6F.70302@gmail.com>
References: <4AE05A6F.70302@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910220711t2115c812mcc0d997db177270f@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Amit Saha <lists.amitsaha at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello:
>
> I have been using CPython as a calculator, while I do all those number
> crunching in C. SO, 'import math' is a must.
>
> This is what I did:
>
> - Create a file: .pythonrc in my $HOME and place this line:

There are other goodies you can put there as well. I used to have

import readline
readline.parse_and_bind("tab: complete")

in there so that the default interpreter would get tab completion.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From cranil89 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 16:16:37 2009
From: cranil89 at gmail.com (Anil)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:46:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] 2-cent Tip: Load modules at Startup
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910220711t2115c812mcc0d997db177270f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AE05A6F.70302@gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910220711t2115c812mcc0d997db177270f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AE06945.6030306@gmail.com>

Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
>
> There are other goodies you can put there as well. I used to have
>
> import readline
> readline.parse_and_bind("tab: complete")
>
> in there so that the default interpreter would get tab completion.
Neat !! :)
btw does Ubuntu come with readline by default??

Anil

From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 16:19:56 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:49:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] 2-cent Tip: Load modules at Startup
In-Reply-To: <4AE06945.6030306@gmail.com>
References: <4AE05A6F.70302@gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910220711t2115c812mcc0d997db177270f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AE06945.6030306@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910220719h3b072329h2e2292125d3f18f6@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Anil <cranil89 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
>>
>> There are other goodies you can put there as well. I used to have
>>
>> import readline
>> readline.parse_and_bind("tab: complete")
>>
>> in there so that the default interpreter would get tab completion.
>
> Neat !! :)
> btw does Ubuntu come with readline by default??

I'm not sure what you mean by "with readline" but the readline module
is as far as I know part of the Python standard library.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From cranil89 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 16:26:07 2009
From: cranil89 at gmail.com (Anil)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:56:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] 2-cent Tip: Load modules at Startup
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910220719h3b072329h2e2292125d3f18f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AE05A6F.70302@gmail.com>	<9963e56e0910220711t2115c812mcc0d997db177270f@mail.gmail.com>	<4AE06945.6030306@gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910220719h3b072329h2e2292125d3f18f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AE06B7F.8040703@gmail.com>

Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Anil <cranil89 at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
>>     
>>> There are other goodies you can put there as well. I used to have
>>>
>>> import readline
>>> readline.parse_and_bind("tab: complete")
>>>
>>> in there so that the default interpreter would get tab completion.
>>>       
>> Neat !! :)
>> btw does Ubuntu come with readline by default??
>>     
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by "with readline" but the readline module
> is as far as I know part of the Python standard library.
I meant readline development module. anyways turns out it doesn't ...

From steve at lonetwin.net  Fri Oct 23 09:11:55 2009
From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:41:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] 2-cent Tip: Load modules at Startup
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910220711t2115c812mcc0d997db177270f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AE05A6F.70302@gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910220711t2115c812mcc0d997db177270f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AE1573B.3040704@lonetwin.net>

On 10/22/2009 07:41 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Amit Saha<lists.amitsaha at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>  Hello:
>>
>>  I have been using CPython as a calculator, while I do all those number
>>  crunching in C. SO, 'import math' is a must.
>>
>>  This is what I did:
>>
>>  - Create a file: .pythonrc in my $HOME and place this line:
>
> There are other goodies you can put there as well. I used to have
>
> import readline
> readline.parse_and_bind("tab: complete")
>
> in there so that the default interpreter would get tab completion.

I also have this is my .pythonrc:

import os
import readline
histfile = os.path.join(os.environ["HOME"], ".pyhist")
try:
     readline.read_history_file(histfile)
except IOError:
     pass
import atexit
atexit.register(readline.write_history_file, histfile)
del os, histfile

This lets you save the history of every thing you type in your interpreter 
session much like the bash history functionality. This is immensely useful when 
I am trying out stuff on the prompt before creating a script.

Of course all this also comes built-in with the Ipython environment, but I never 
really got hooked on to that.

Anyways, besides the tip, I'd also like to point out to the 'atexit' module 
which the above tip uses. It is included in the stdlib and can prove to be quite 
useful at times. That one is good to know about.

cheers,
- steve
-- 
random non tech spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/
tech randomness: http://lonehacks.blogspot.com/
what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 09:18:52 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:48:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] 2-cent Tip: Load modules at Startup
In-Reply-To: <4AE1573B.3040704@lonetwin.net>
References: <4AE05A6F.70302@gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910220711t2115c812mcc0d997db177270f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AE1573B.3040704@lonetwin.net>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910230018u91d8159hd78c7adb78c61389@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:41 PM, steve <steve at lonetwin.net> wrote:
[..]
> Of course all this also comes built-in with the Ipython environment, but I
> never really got hooked on to that.
[..]

Do you have any reasons why? It's praised a lot in some circles but I
got a lot of negative comments about it on the #python channel.
I personally don't use it unless I'm teaching the language since it's
perceptibly slower to start up when your python installation is on
NFS.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 17:16:40 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 20:46:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Opensolaris sessions on Saturday at 3 pm at
	Thoughtworks Bangalore
Message-ID: <49977f270910230816x6f0f4700y5e6d75d08129c3aa@mail.gmail.com>

Folks:

We're conducting a number of sessions tomorrow on some opensolaris technologies.

Based on a survey that I had put out, the following are the topics
that we'll cover:

1. Observing and investigating processes using Dtrace - Pradhap
Devarajan, Sun Microsystems
2. What's exciting about the ZFS filesystem - Sriram Narayanan, Thoughtworks
3. Deployments made easy - Zones and ZFS - Moinak Ghosh, Belenix Lead Developer

Venue: Thoughtworks Technologies, Tower C, Corporate Block, Diamond
District, HAL Airport Road.
Landmarks:
- Near the Indiranagar Flyover off Inner Ring Road
- Opposite TGIF

Time: 3 pm to 7 pm

-- Sriram

From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 17:36:44 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:06:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Opensolaris sessions on Saturday at 3 pm at
	Thoughtworks Bangalore
In-Reply-To: <49977f270910230816x6f0f4700y5e6d75d08129c3aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49977f270910230816x6f0f4700y5e6d75d08129c3aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910230836n51a7a8dcs36a3bd8990a20816@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com>wrote:

> Folks:
>
> We're conducting a number of sessions tomorrow on some opensolaris
> technologies.
>
> Based on a survey that I had put out, the following are the topics
> that we'll cover:
>
> 1. Observing and investigating processes using Dtrace - Pradhap
> Devarajan, Sun Microsystems
> 2. What's exciting about the ZFS filesystem - Sriram Narayanan,
> Thoughtworks
> 3. Deployments made easy - Zones and ZFS - Moinak Ghosh, Belenix Lead
> Developer
>
> Venue: Thoughtworks Technologies, Tower C, Corporate Block, Diamond
> District, HAL Airport Road.
>

 I was thinking of a laid back saturday, you have ruined it :-)
 I will be there, especially for session (2).

 +1


> Landmarks:
> - Near the Indiranagar Flyover off Inner Ring Road
> - Opposite TGIF
>
> Time: 3 pm to 7 pm
>
> -- Sriram
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
--Anand

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 19:56:37 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:26:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Opensolaris sessions on Saturday at 3 pm at
	Thoughtworks Bangalore
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910230836n51a7a8dcs36a3bd8990a20816@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49977f270910230816x6f0f4700y5e6d75d08129c3aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910230836n51a7a8dcs36a3bd8990a20816@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49977f270910231056t1750cdaftefb7b123ce7718d2@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> ?I was thinking of a laid back saturday, you have ruined it :-)
> ?I will be there, especially for session (2).
>
> ?+1

I'm convinced that you'll enjoy session 1 even more, since you'll
realize that you can now dtrace python code ! This alone may be reason
enough for you to move to OSX or opensolaris :)


-- Sriram

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Sat Oct 24 02:33:53 2009
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:03:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] chennaipy meets
Message-ID: <200910240603.54094.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

just a reminder for those in this list who may be in Chennai today:

http://groups.google.com/group/chennaipy/web/meeting-on-24th-october
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Project Officer
NRC-FOSS
http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/

From steve at lonetwin.net  Sat Oct 24 06:01:49 2009
From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:31:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] 2-cent Tip: Load modules at Startup
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910230018u91d8159hd78c7adb78c61389@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4AE05A6F.70302@gmail.com>	<9963e56e0910220711t2115c812mcc0d997db177270f@mail.gmail.com>	<4AE1573B.3040704@lonetwin.net>
	<9963e56e0910230018u91d8159hd78c7adb78c61389@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AE27C2D.4050003@lonetwin.net>

On 10/23/2009 12:48 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:41 PM, steve<steve at lonetwin.net>  wrote:
> [..]
>>  Of course all this also comes built-in with the Ipython environment, but I
>>  never really got hooked on to that.
> [..]
>
> Do you have any reasons why? It's praised a lot in some circles but I
> got a lot of negative comments about it on the #python channel.

Well, for me, there aren't any strong negative reasons really. I just felt that 
the interface was a bit 'clunky' (the extraneous use of spaces and newlines 
makes me nervous), the commands/shortcuts were non-intuitive to me and I just 
don't like reading docs before trying out something -- which I think is required 
for using ipython.

However, i still do recommend it to people who want colors, completion and all 
sorts of customization abilities from their prompt.

cheers,
- steve
-- 
random non tech spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/
tech randomness: http://lonehacks.blogspot.com/
what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

From bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 24 10:02:56 2009
From: bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com (bhaskar jain)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:32:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] sort query
Message-ID: <7f2cbc970910240102k2d08ccd4x96663ec94c4c5e4@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

  Can sort not modify read-only location.

>>> d
{'a': 1, 'c': 3, 'b': 2}

>>> id(d)
412816

>>> id(d.keys())
404296

>>> type(d.keys())
<type 'list'>

>>> print d.keys().sort()
None


We can so sorted(d.keys()) and it works but was just wondering whether sort
which modifies in-place fails when the location is read-only.

Thanks,
 Bhaskar.

From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Sat Oct 24 10:41:35 2009
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:11:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] sort query
In-Reply-To: <7f2cbc970910240102k2d08ccd4x96663ec94c4c5e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7f2cbc970910240102k2d08ccd4x96663ec94c4c5e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bf97ab890910240141pa84ffcdia3f2faa7dc3fe9c2@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 1:32 PM, bhaskar jain <bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello,
>
>  Can sort not modify read-only location.
>
> >>> d
> {'a': 1, 'c': 3, 'b': 2}
>
> >>> id(d)
> 412816
>
> >>> id(d.keys())
> 404296
>
> >>> type(d.keys())
> <type 'list'>
>
> >>> print d.keys().sort()
> None
>
>
> We can so sorted(d.keys()) and it works but was just wondering whether sort
> which modifies in-place fails when the location is read-only.
>

>>> x = d.keys()
>>> print x
['a', 'c', 'b']
>>> x.sort()
>>> print x
['a', 'b', 'c']

The sort method modifies the list in place but doesn't return the sorted
list (ie. returns None)
However it does what it is meant to do as based on the further example
above.

>From http://docs.python.org/library/stdtypes.html

"The sort() and reverse() methods modify the list in place for economy of
space when sorting or reversing a large list. *To remind you that they
operate by side effect*, they don?t return the sorted or reversed list."

Cheers,
Dhananjay

>
> Thanks,
>  Bhaskar.
> _______________________________________________
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>



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From noufal at gmail.com  Sat Oct 24 10:42:17 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:12:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] sort query
In-Reply-To: <7f2cbc970910240102k2d08ccd4x96663ec94c4c5e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7f2cbc970910240102k2d08ccd4x96663ec94c4c5e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910240142x22208068t2366bd4a141b31f1@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 1:32 PM, bhaskar jain
<bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> ?Can sort not modify read-only location.
>
>>>> d
> {'a': 1, 'c': 3, 'b': 2}
>
>>>> id(d)
> 412816
>
>>>> id(d.keys())
> 404296
>
>>>> type(d.keys())
> <type 'list'>
>
>>>> print d.keys().sort()

The sort method of a list doesn't return a sorted list. As for the
question of what exactly did that sort and where is the sorted list,
I'm not sure.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com  Sat Oct 24 11:53:55 2009
From: sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com (Sidharth Kuruvila)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:23:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] sort query
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910240142x22208068t2366bd4a141b31f1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7f2cbc970910240102k2d08ccd4x96663ec94c4c5e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910240142x22208068t2366bd4a141b31f1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ab2ed550910240253w73239dbfm678cc5d872418dfe@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

>>> d = {"a":1, "b":2}
>>> d.keys()
['a', 'b']
>>> a = d.keys()
>>> b = d.keys()
>>> id(a)
542120
>>> id(b)
542200

So d creates a new list with each call to keys.

The behavior might be different in python 3 where I hear d.keys() will
return a set

Regards,
Sidharth

On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 1:32 PM, bhaskar jain
> <bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> ?Can sort not modify read-only location.
>>
>>>>> d
>> {'a': 1, 'c': 3, 'b': 2}
>>
>>>>> id(d)
>> 412816
>>
>>>>> id(d.keys())
>> 404296
>>
>>>>> type(d.keys())
>> <type 'list'>
>>
>>>>> print d.keys().sort()
>
> The sort method of a list doesn't return a sorted list. As for the
> question of what exactly did that sort and where is the sorted list,
> I'm not sure.
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From anandology at gmail.com  Sat Oct 24 11:51:29 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:21:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] sort query
In-Reply-To: <7f2cbc970910240102k2d08ccd4x96663ec94c4c5e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7f2cbc970910240102k2d08ccd4x96663ec94c4c5e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910240251j3a3c67fcy18351f7a0c70f24e@mail.gmail.com>

> ?Can sort not modify read-only location.
>
>>>> d
> {'a': 1, 'c': 3, 'b': 2}
>
>>>> id(d)
> 412816
>
>>>> id(d.keys())
> 404296

I see why you thought d.keys() is read-only. Multiple calls to
d.keys() seems to be returning the same object.

>>> d = {'a': 1, 'c': 3, 'b': 2}
>>> id(d)
200112
>>> id(d.keys())
597448
>>> id(d.keys())
597448

However assigning it to some variable forces it to return a new object.

>>> x = d.keys()
>>> id(x)
597448
>>> id(d.keys())
594408
>>> id(d.keys())
594408
>>> y = d.keys()
>>> id(y)
594408
>>> id(d.keys())
611312

Looks like Python dictionary implementation is doing something clever.
d.keys() returns the cached object if its refcount == 1 and returns a
new object if refcount > 1.

Anand

From sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com  Sat Oct 24 11:59:57 2009
From: sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com (Sidharth Kuruvila)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:29:57 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] sort query
In-Reply-To: <2ab2ed550910240253w73239dbfm678cc5d872418dfe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7f2cbc970910240102k2d08ccd4x96663ec94c4c5e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910240142x22208068t2366bd4a141b31f1@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ab2ed550910240253w73239dbfm678cc5d872418dfe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ab2ed550910240259m2f96294ej9662d61dd379e54@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

 One more thing, the dict in python is a hash map so the keys won't be
ordered. If you want an ordered set of keys you could consider storing
the keys in a separate ordered list. You could also consider building
a binary tree based dict but that would be a pain.

Also a quick search brought up this http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0372/.

Regards,
Sidharth

On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Sidharth Kuruvila
<sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>>>> d = {"a":1, "b":2}
>>>> d.keys()
> ['a', 'b']
>>>> a = d.keys()
>>>> b = d.keys()
>>>> id(a)
> 542120
>>>> id(b)
> 542200
>
> So d creates a new list with each call to keys.
>
> The behavior might be different in python 3 where I hear d.keys() will
> return a set
>
> Regards,
> Sidharth
>
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 1:32 PM, bhaskar jain
>> <bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> ?Can sort not modify read-only location.
>>>
>>>>>> d
>>> {'a': 1, 'c': 3, 'b': 2}
>>>
>>>>>> id(d)
>>> 412816
>>>
>>>>>> id(d.keys())
>>> 404296
>>>
>>>>>> type(d.keys())
>>> <type 'list'>
>>>
>>>>>> print d.keys().sort()
>>
>> The sort method of a list doesn't return a sorted list. As for the
>> question of what exactly did that sort and where is the sorted list,
>> I'm not sure.
>>
>>
>> --
>> ~noufal
>> http://nibrahim.net.in
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
>
> --
> I am but a man.
>



-- 
I am but a man.

From sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com  Sat Oct 24 12:05:09 2009
From: sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com (Sidharth Kuruvila)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:35:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] sort query
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910240251j3a3c67fcy18351f7a0c70f24e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7f2cbc970910240102k2d08ccd4x96663ec94c4c5e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910240251j3a3c67fcy18351f7a0c70f24e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ab2ed550910240305s49ba5da6pcd29e7d7ed4e8f50@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Anand.

> Looks like Python dictionary implementation is doing something clever.
> d.keys() returns the cached object if its refcount == 1 and returns a
> new object if refcount > 1.
>

I don't think that's what's happening

>>> id(d.keys())
535168
>>> id(d.keys())
535168
>>> l = [1,2,3,4]
>>> id(d.keys())
542640

It seems that when d.keys is called the second it's using the same
memory as the previous call as that one was deleted. Creating a list
displaces the memory.

Regards,
Sidharth

From anandology at gmail.com  Sat Oct 24 12:13:55 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:43:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] sort query
In-Reply-To: <2ab2ed550910240305s49ba5da6pcd29e7d7ed4e8f50@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7f2cbc970910240102k2d08ccd4x96663ec94c4c5e4@mail.gmail.com> 
	<41139fcb0910240251j3a3c67fcy18351f7a0c70f24e@mail.gmail.com> 
	<2ab2ed550910240305s49ba5da6pcd29e7d7ed4e8f50@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910240313v2f273ae6v44ac9666724651ef@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Sidharth Kuruvila
<sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Anand.
>
>> Looks like Python dictionary implementation is doing something clever.
>> d.keys() returns the cached object if its refcount == 1 and returns a
>> new object if refcount > 1.
>>
>
> I don't think that's what's happening
>
>>>> id(d.keys())
> 535168
>>>> id(d.keys())
> 535168
>>>> l = [1,2,3,4]
>>>> id(d.keys())
> 542640
>
> It seems that when d.keys is called the second it's using the same
> memory as the previous call as that one was deleted. Creating a list
> displaces the memory.

Hmm.. I think you are right.

Anand

From bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 24 13:19:36 2009
From: bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com (bhaskar jain)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:49:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] sort query
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910240313v2f273ae6v44ac9666724651ef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7f2cbc970910240102k2d08ccd4x96663ec94c4c5e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910240251j3a3c67fcy18351f7a0c70f24e@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ab2ed550910240305s49ba5da6pcd29e7d7ed4e8f50@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910240313v2f273ae6v44ac9666724651ef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7f2cbc970910240419q7fe75298pcf6a50f170d780d7@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks all for replying.

Let me be clear,

>>> l = [2,1]

>>> id(l[0])
8402300
>>> id(l[1])
8402312

>>> l.sort()

>>> id(l[0])
8402312
>>> id(l[1])
8402300

So if we had   [l] ------>  [0]  -----> 2
                                   [1]  -----> 1

after the sort, the index [0] binds to  the '1' memory location and index
[1] binds to '2'.



Now if we have, d = {'a':1, 'b':2}
>>> l = d.keys().sort()
>>> print l
None


d.keys() is a list  which references the keys of the dictionary.
But the sort method does not do what is intended on this list?

--Bhaskar.

From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Sat Oct 24 13:29:14 2009
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 16:59:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] sort query
In-Reply-To: <7f2cbc970910240419q7fe75298pcf6a50f170d780d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7f2cbc970910240102k2d08ccd4x96663ec94c4c5e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910240251j3a3c67fcy18351f7a0c70f24e@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ab2ed550910240305s49ba5da6pcd29e7d7ed4e8f50@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910240313v2f273ae6v44ac9666724651ef@mail.gmail.com>
	<7f2cbc970910240419q7fe75298pcf6a50f170d780d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bf97ab890910240429m2cefcee4w56705d415c5ca458@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 4:49 PM, bhaskar jain <bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks all for replying.
>
> Let me be clear,
>
> [..snip..]
>
>
> Now if we have, d = {'a':1, 'b':2}
> >>> l = d.keys().sort()
> >>> print l
> None
>
>
> d.keys() is a list  which references the keys of the dictionary.
> But the sort method does not do what is intended on this list?
>

Whoa..

x=d.keys()
x.sort()

ends up sorting the list in place. It does EXACTLY what it is documented as
doing. ie. sort the list in place and return None.
So whats the basis of  "sort method does not do what is intended on this
list" ?


> --Bhaskar.
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com  Sat Oct 24 13:39:25 2009
From: sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com (Sidharth Kuruvila)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:09:25 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] sort query
In-Reply-To: <7f2cbc970910240419q7fe75298pcf6a50f170d780d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7f2cbc970910240102k2d08ccd4x96663ec94c4c5e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910240251j3a3c67fcy18351f7a0c70f24e@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ab2ed550910240305s49ba5da6pcd29e7d7ed4e8f50@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910240313v2f273ae6v44ac9666724651ef@mail.gmail.com>
	<7f2cbc970910240419q7fe75298pcf6a50f170d780d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ab2ed550910240439p709b5752w847c88c164d1c093@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

 The sort method doesn't return anything. It modifies the list which
you call it on.

l = d.keys()
l.sort() #There is no point assigning the return value to this because
it will be None
#Which is what you do when you write l = d.keys().sort()
print l
<prints the keys in sorted order>

Now there is another subtle issue here with d.keys(), ever time you
call it, you get a new list object, not the one you got with the
previous call. So don't expect d.keys() to return a sorted list.

Also, it's quite clear you didn't understand any of the previous mails
because Nauful did bring up the lack of a return value for sort in his
mail. If you don't understand something ask.

An important point is if you find something wrong with an api, it is
more likely that there is something wrong with your understanding than
the api itself. This is something most of us have to learn the hard
way. So do  a lot of hard thinking before you say something is broken.

Regards,
Sidharth


On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 4:49 PM, bhaskar jain
<bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks all for replying.
>
> Let me be clear,
>
>>>> l = [2,1]
>
>>>> id(l[0])
> 8402300
>>>> id(l[1])
> 8402312
>
>>>> l.sort()
>
>>>> id(l[0])
> 8402312
>>>> id(l[1])
> 8402300
>
> So if we had ? [l] ------> ?[0] ?-----> 2
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? [1] ?-----> 1
>
> after the sort, the index [0] binds to ?the '1' memory location and index
> [1] binds to '2'.
>
>
>
> Now if we have, d = {'a':1, 'b':2}
>>>> l = d.keys().sort()
>>>> print l
> None
>
>
> d.keys() is a list ?which references the keys of the dictionary.
> But the sort method does not do what is intended on this list?
>
> --Bhaskar.
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
I am but a man.

From bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 24 20:19:18 2009
From: bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com (bhaskar jain)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:49:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] sort query
In-Reply-To: <2ab2ed550910240439p709b5752w847c88c164d1c093@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7f2cbc970910240102k2d08ccd4x96663ec94c4c5e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910240251j3a3c67fcy18351f7a0c70f24e@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ab2ed550910240305s49ba5da6pcd29e7d7ed4e8f50@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910240313v2f273ae6v44ac9666724651ef@mail.gmail.com>
	<7f2cbc970910240419q7fe75298pcf6a50f170d780d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ab2ed550910240439p709b5752w847c88c164d1c093@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7f2cbc970910241119s1b5b50a5pe7c9e829b9f1f05f@mail.gmail.com>

>>>On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Sidharth Kuruvila <
sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>So do  a lot of hard thinking before you say something is broken.

I have never questioned the correctness, rather wanted to clear my doubt.


>>> d = {'a':1, 'b':2, 'c':3}

>>> id(d.keys())
404296

>>> d.keys().sort()

>>> id(d.keys())
404296

>>> a = d.keys()
>>> print a
['a', 'c', 'b']

>>> id(a)
404296

What did sort do?



>>>Now there is another subtle issue here with d.keys(), ever time you
>>>call it, you get a new list object, not the one you got with the
>>>previous call

I taught myself to believe that "Python returns references  to the same
objects it already had around".
So if i called dict.keys() and have *not* modified my dict and then call
dict.keys() again, i should get a reference to the earlier created list
held.
Anyways it is not so.

Thanks anyways,
Bhaskar.

From bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 24 20:55:13 2009
From: bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com (bhaskar jain)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 00:25:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] sort query
In-Reply-To: <7f2cbc970910241119s1b5b50a5pe7c9e829b9f1f05f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7f2cbc970910240102k2d08ccd4x96663ec94c4c5e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910240251j3a3c67fcy18351f7a0c70f24e@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ab2ed550910240305s49ba5da6pcd29e7d7ed4e8f50@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910240313v2f273ae6v44ac9666724651ef@mail.gmail.com>
	<7f2cbc970910240419q7fe75298pcf6a50f170d780d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ab2ed550910240439p709b5752w847c88c164d1c093@mail.gmail.com>
	<7f2cbc970910241119s1b5b50a5pe7c9e829b9f1f05f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7f2cbc970910241155v2cea2feex8022f9e669140727@mail.gmail.com>

Just to add - Doubt is cleared.
Thanks all !!

--Bhaskar.

On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 11:49 PM, bhaskar jain
<bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com>wrote:

> >>>On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Sidharth Kuruvila <
> sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>So do  a lot of hard thinking before you say something is broken.
>
> I have never questioned the correctness, rather wanted to clear my doubt.
>
>
> >>> d = {'a':1, 'b':2, 'c':3}
>
> >>> id(d.keys())
> 404296
>
> >>> d.keys().sort()
>
> >>> id(d.keys())
> 404296
>
> >>> a = d.keys()
> >>> print a
> ['a', 'c', 'b']
>
> >>> id(a)
> 404296
>
> What did sort do?
>
>
>
> >>>Now there is another subtle issue here with d.keys(), ever time you
> >>>call it, you get a new list object, not the one you got with the
> >>>previous call
>
> I taught myself to believe that "Python returns references  to the same
> objects it already had around".
> So if i called dict.keys() and have *not* modified my dict and then call
> dict.keys() again, i should get a reference to the earlier created list
> held.
> Anyways it is not so.
>
> Thanks anyways,
> Bhaskar.
>
>

From noufal at gmail.com  Sat Oct 24 21:21:44 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 00:51:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Opensolaris sessions on Saturday at 3 pm at
	Thoughtworks Bangalore
In-Reply-To: <49977f270910231056t1750cdaftefb7b123ce7718d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49977f270910230816x6f0f4700y5e6d75d08129c3aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910230836n51a7a8dcs36a3bd8990a20816@mail.gmail.com>
	<49977f270910231056t1750cdaftefb7b123ce7718d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910241221wf26bda3i6b46d2adea5ed2b4@mail.gmail.com>

This was quite remarkable. I enjoyed the whole thing very much. I had
to leave a little early so couldn't get the whole of the zfs demo. At
what time did you guys leave?


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Sat Oct 24 21:30:19 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:00:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Opensolaris sessions on Saturday at 3 pm at
	Thoughtworks Bangalore
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910241221wf26bda3i6b46d2adea5ed2b4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49977f270910230816x6f0f4700y5e6d75d08129c3aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f30910230836n51a7a8dcs36a3bd8990a20816@mail.gmail.com>
	<49977f270910231056t1750cdaftefb7b123ce7718d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910241221wf26bda3i6b46d2adea5ed2b4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49977f270910241230l6ba01b74rccc49c10445d9b78@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 12:51 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> This was quite remarkable. I enjoyed the whole thing very much. I had
> to leave a little early so couldn't get the whole of the zfs demo. At
> what time did you guys leave?
>

We left at 8:30, I think. The real presentation stuff got over at a
little past seven-thirty, and from then on, we had a number of
technical and industry level discussions.

I wish I didn't miss the DTrace session, since I wanted to see what
Pradhap had presented on DTrace. I am starting to put together a
session called "DTrace for programmers", where we'll cover DTracing
PHP and Python apps. I wanted to observe audience questions and
thinking so that I can tailor my session accordingly.

Unfortulately, I had to help out with some really important work in
the company and could only attend the meeting at a little past five.

>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From anurag08priyam at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 10:47:29 2009
From: anurag08priyam at gmail.com (Anurag Priyam)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:17:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Opensolaris sessions on Saturday at 3 pm at
	Thoughtworks Bangalore
In-Reply-To: <49977f270910230816x6f0f4700y5e6d75d08129c3aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49977f270910230816x6f0f4700y5e6d75d08129c3aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <95d7ba070910250247p48795099h55b236a51dc905ff@mail.gmail.com>

> Based on a survey that I had put out, the following are the topics
> that we'll cover:
>
> 1. Observing and investigating processes using Dtrace - Pradhap
> Devarajan, Sun Microsystems
> 2. What's exciting about the ZFS filesystem - Sriram Narayanan,
> Thoughtworks
> 3. Deployments made easy - Zones and ZFS - Moinak Ghosh, Belenix Lead
> Developer
>
>

These sound very exciting. Could someone please upload the slides somewhere
where others, who did not attend the session can download and view them?


-- 
Anurag Priyam
2nd Year,Mechanical Engineering,
IIT Kharagpur.
+91-9775550642

From noufal at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 18:18:22 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:48:22 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] ElementTree nodes
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910251018s8061ce6ge43720198255bbf7@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,
   Does anyone have experience here with elementree? Why does a valid
node evaluate to False?

>>> type(n)
<type 'Element'>
>>> n
<Element 'serial-number' at 0x7f7ecabad7e0>
>>> bool(n)
False
>>> assert n
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<console>", line 1, in <module>
AssertionError
>>>

   It's the same BTW for elementTree and the C implementation.
Apparently (atleast with 2.6), the classes are still old-style. What's
the special method to coerce an object into a boolean?

Thanks

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 18:19:51 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:49:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] ElementTree nodes
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910251018s8061ce6ge43720198255bbf7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910251018s8061ce6ge43720198255bbf7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910251019j589f3f14xd8e218a9838eb3f2@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> ? Does anyone have experience here with elementree? Why does a valid
> node evaluate to False?
>

It's documented apparently. http://effbot.org/zone/elementtree-13-intro.htm

Quite counter intuitive though. :-/



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 20:01:15 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:31:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] ElementTree nodes
In-Reply-To: <7f2cbc970910251150h3049e265vaed65366174bf31d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910251018s8061ce6ge43720198255bbf7@mail.gmail.com>
	<7f2cbc970910251150h3049e265vaed65366174bf31d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910251201l493e4edbp37a62bb2cc43580a@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:20 AM, bhaskar jain
<bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>Does anyone have experience here with elementree? Why does a valid
>>>node evaluate to False?
>
> I dont know elementtree but recently had to do some xml work. I found
> xml.dom.minidom to be quite good though elementtree and lxml are quite
> popular .
> I dont get the same results as you.


Can you try this with an element that has zero children? From effbot's
docs, I think that's the difference.



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 20:22:52 2009
From: bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com (bhaskar jain)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:52:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] ElementTree nodes
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910251201l493e4edbp37a62bb2cc43580a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910251018s8061ce6ge43720198255bbf7@mail.gmail.com>
	<7f2cbc970910251150h3049e265vaed65366174bf31d@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910251201l493e4edbp37a62bb2cc43580a@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:31 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>Can you try this with an element that has zero children? From effbot's
>>>docs, I think that's the difference.

"The boolean interpretation will most likely change in future versions, so
that all elements evaluate to true, also if they have no children."

Correct.



>>> a = ElementTree.parse("g.xml").getroot()

>>> type(a.getchildren()[0])
<type 'instance'>
>>> bool(a.getchildren()[0])
True

>>> type(a.getchildren()[0].getchildren()[0])
<type 'instance'>
>>> bool(a.getchildren()[0].getchildren()[0])
False
>>> a.getchildren()[0].getchildren()[0].getchildren()
[]


--Bhaskar.

From noufal at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 20:37:01 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:07:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] ElementTree nodes
In-Reply-To: <7f2cbc970910251222y346cf18fr505ebc6b6ac90f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910251018s8061ce6ge43720198255bbf7@mail.gmail.com>
	<7f2cbc970910251150h3049e265vaed65366174bf31d@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:52 AM, bhaskar jain
<bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:31 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>Can you try this with an element that has zero children? From effbot's
>>>>docs, I think that's the difference.
> "The boolean interpretation will most likely change in future versions, so
> that all elements evaluate to true, also if they have no children."
> Correct.[..]

Yup. Felt weird that an object with working methods evaluated to false
just because it was a leaf in a tree. That's probably saying a lot
about the consistency of objects in Python generally and how a small
thing can be quite jarring.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 21:13:00 2009
From: sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com (Sidharth Kuruvila)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:43:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] ElementTree nodes
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910251237r3917ffcbicc062923e9e6df98@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910251018s8061ce6ge43720198255bbf7@mail.gmail.com>
	<7f2cbc970910251150h3049e265vaed65366174bf31d@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910251201l493e4edbp37a62bb2cc43580a@mail.gmail.com>
	<7f2cbc970910251222y346cf18fr505ebc6b6ac90f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910251237r3917ffcbicc062923e9e6df98@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ab2ed550910251313s2fd4ac03s9669faab88c819ce@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

  I don't have elementree, so I just wanted to confirm what is
happening here. Is it that the Element type is a subclass of list.
Which would lead an empty Element to have the same boolean property as
an empty list.

Or is there some way of specifying the truthfulness of an object.

Regards,
Sidharth

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:07 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:52 AM, bhaskar jain
> <bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:31 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>Can you try this with an element that has zero children? From effbot's
>>>>>docs, I think that's the difference.
>> "The boolean interpretation will most likely change in future versions, so
>> that all elements evaluate to true, also if they have no children."
>> Correct.[..]
>
> Yup. Felt weird that an object with working methods evaluated to false
> just because it was a leaf in a tree. That's probably saying a lot
> about the consistency of objects in Python generally and how a small
> thing can be quite jarring.
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
I am but a man.

From sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 21:23:58 2009
From: sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com (Sidharth Kuruvila)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 01:53:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] ElementTree nodes
In-Reply-To: <2ab2ed550910251313s2fd4ac03s9669faab88c819ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910251018s8061ce6ge43720198255bbf7@mail.gmail.com>
	<7f2cbc970910251150h3049e265vaed65366174bf31d@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910251201l493e4edbp37a62bb2cc43580a@mail.gmail.com>
	<7f2cbc970910251222y346cf18fr505ebc6b6ac90f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910251237r3917ffcbicc062923e9e6df98@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ab2ed550910251313s2fd4ac03s9669faab88c819ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ab2ed550910251323x30b3fe87wb8f88f4f4d34ab3e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
To answer myself. It turns out any object that returns len(o) as 0
will evaluate as false.

class c:
    def __len__(self):
        return 0

i = c()

print bool(i)
# Prints False

On the one side this does make things quite consistent. On the other
it is a bit unintuitive. Any idea if this behaviour holds in python 3?

Regards,
Sidharth


On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Sidharth Kuruvila
<sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> ?I don't have elementree, so I just wanted to confirm what is
> happening here. Is it that the Element type is a subclass of list.
> Which would lead an empty Element to have the same boolean property as
> an empty list.
>
> Or is there some way of specifying the truthfulness of an object.
>
> Regards,
> Sidharth
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:07 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:52 AM, bhaskar jain
>> <bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:31 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>Can you try this with an element that has zero children? From effbot's
>>>>>>docs, I think that's the difference.
>>> "The boolean interpretation will most likely change in future versions, so
>>> that all elements evaluate to true, also if they have no children."
>>> Correct.[..]
>>
>> Yup. Felt weird that an object with working methods evaluated to false
>> just because it was a leaf in a tree. That's probably saying a lot
>> about the consistency of objects in Python generally and how a small
>> thing can be quite jarring.
>>
>> --
>> ~noufal
>> http://nibrahim.net.in
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
>
> --
> I am but a man.
>



-- 
I am but a man.

From bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 21:42:54 2009
From: bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com (bhaskar jain)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:12:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] ElementTree nodes
In-Reply-To: <2ab2ed550910251323x30b3fe87wb8f88f4f4d34ab3e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910251018s8061ce6ge43720198255bbf7@mail.gmail.com>
	<7f2cbc970910251150h3049e265vaed65366174bf31d@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910251201l493e4edbp37a62bb2cc43580a@mail.gmail.com>
	<7f2cbc970910251222y346cf18fr505ebc6b6ac90f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910251237r3917ffcbicc062923e9e6df98@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ab2ed550910251313s2fd4ac03s9669faab88c819ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ab2ed550910251323x30b3fe87wb8f88f4f4d34ab3e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7f2cbc970910251342n3f139e85jf08d86671073f5aa@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:53 AM, Sidharth Kuruvila <
sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>It turns out any object that returns len(o) as 0
>>>will evaluate as false.

Not always.

doc says - "instances of user-defined classes, if the class defines a
__nonzero__() or __len__() method, when that method returns the integer zero
or bool value False."

object.__nonzero__(self)

Called to implement truth value testing and the built-in operation bool();
should return False or True, or their integer equivalents 0 or 1. When this
method is not defined, __len__() is called, if it is defined, and the object
is considered true if its result is nonzero. If a class defines neither
__len__() nor __nonzero__(), all its instances are considered true.


First it looks for __nonzero__ and if its absent then only __len__

>>> class c:
... def __nonzero__(self):
...     return False
... def __len__(self):
...    return True
...
>>> o = c()
>>> bool(o)
False




--Bhaskar.

From sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 21:50:30 2009
From: sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com (Sidharth Kuruvila)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 02:20:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] ElementTree nodes
In-Reply-To: <7f2cbc970910251342n3f139e85jf08d86671073f5aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e0910251018s8061ce6ge43720198255bbf7@mail.gmail.com>
	<7f2cbc970910251150h3049e265vaed65366174bf31d@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910251201l493e4edbp37a62bb2cc43580a@mail.gmail.com>
	<7f2cbc970910251222y346cf18fr505ebc6b6ac90f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910251237r3917ffcbicc062923e9e6df98@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ab2ed550910251313s2fd4ac03s9669faab88c819ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ab2ed550910251323x30b3fe87wb8f88f4f4d34ab3e@mail.gmail.com>
	<7f2cbc970910251342n3f139e85jf08d86671073f5aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ab2ed550910251350i380dd2ecv639e8a53a6386fa5@mail.gmail.com>

Ah yes, silly me. Must remember to go to the docs before posting :">.



On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:12 AM, bhaskar jain
<bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:53 AM, Sidharth Kuruvila <
> sidharth.kuruvila at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>It turns out any object that returns len(o) as 0
>>>>will evaluate as false.
>
> Not always.
>
> doc says - "instances of user-defined classes, if the class defines a
> __nonzero__() or __len__() method, when that method returns the integer zero
> or bool value False."
>
> object.__nonzero__(self)
>
> Called to implement truth value testing and the built-in operation bool();
> should return False or True, or their integer equivalents 0 or 1. When this
> method is not defined, __len__() is called, if it is defined, and the object
> is considered true if its result is nonzero. If a class defines neither
> __len__() nor __nonzero__(), all its instances are considered true.
>
>
> First it looks for __nonzero__ and if its absent then only __len__
>
>>>> class c:
> ... def __nonzero__(self):
> ... ? ? return False
> ... def __len__(self):
> ... ? ?return True
> ...
>>>> o = c()
>>>> bool(o)
> False
>
>
>
>
> --Bhaskar.
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From abpillai at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 04:38:06 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:08:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Re-working the GIL
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910252038i709f1033u8651944d87bc4901@mail.gmail.com>

There is a thread started by Antoine Pitrou in python-dev.
He suggests a slightly different approach to GIL implementation,
which uses a time based approach than counting opcodes
to acquire/release the GIL, which is the current implementation.

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2009-October/093321.html

-- 
--Anand

From bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 06:57:41 2009
From: bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com (bhaskar jain)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:27:41 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] escaping for xml
Message-ID: <7f2cbc970910252257y2209e8eaqaa70c73e9d15ef4b@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

  I am stuck while escaping "<" and ">" in the xml file using
xml.dom.minidom.
  I tried to get the unicode hex value and use that instead  (
http://slayeroffice.com/tools/unicode_lookup/)
  Tried to use the standard "&lt;" and "&gt;" but still with no success.
  I saw similar bugs in python bugzilla -
http://bugs.python.org/issue5752and some others but not sure.


>>> from xml.dom.minidom import Document
>>> doc = Document()
>>> e = doc.createElement("abc")
>>> s1 = '<hello>bhaskar</hello>'
>>> text = doc.createTextNode(s1)
>>> e.appendChild(text)
<DOM Text node "<hello>bha...">

>>> e.toxml()
'<abc>&lt;hello&gt;bhaskar&lt;/hello&gt;</abc>'

same result with writexml()


>>> from xml.dom.minidom import Document
>>> doc = Document()
>>> e = doc.createElement("abc")
>>> s1 = u'&lt;hello&gt;bhaskar&lt;/hello&gt;'
>>> text = doc.createTextNode(s1)
>>> e.appendChild(text)
<DOM Text node "&lt;hello&...">

>>> e.toxml()
u'<abc>&amp;lt;hello&amp;gt;bhaskar&amp;lt;/hello&amp;gt;</abc>'


Tried other ways but with same results.
Only way is to override the writer and replace like shown here -
http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t330646-a-simple-xmldomminidom-question.html
.

Has anybody solved this?

I want to have a text node with contents as   "ds:X509Certificate>-----BEGIN
CERTIFICATE----- </ds:X509Certificate>".
Creating an element as "ds:x509Certificate" and then creating a text node
with the certificate and appending it to the element works but a third
party-library fails to parse it.
So would like to have a single text node with the contents.

Thanks.

--Bhaskar.

From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Mon Oct 26 06:54:29 2009
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:24:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] FYI..
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01C370D6@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

Just now , i  have gone through this article regarding the differences
between 
"Abstraction and Encapsulation and Information hiding"
thought of sharing with you people.
http://www.itmweb.com/essay550.htm
 
Regards,
Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy.
--------------
I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand.
- Confucius.
 

From bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 07:02:23 2009
From: bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com (bhaskar jain)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:32:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] escaping for xml
In-Reply-To: <7f2cbc970910252257y2209e8eaqaa70c73e9d15ef4b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7f2cbc970910252257y2209e8eaqaa70c73e9d15ef4b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7f2cbc970910252302j416d9de8y304db1ae48f9fbc5@mail.gmail.com>

sorry forgot to mention that tried with specifying the encoding in toxml()
too but with same results.

>>> e.toxml("UTF-8")
'<abc>&amp;lt;hello&amp;gt;bhaskar&amp;lt;/hello&amp;gt;</abc>'

>>> e.toxml("utf-8")
'<abc>&amp;lt;hello&amp;gt;bhaskar&amp;lt;/hello&amp;gt;</abc>'


Thanks.
Bhaskar.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:27 AM, bhaskar jain
<bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello,
>
>   I am stuck while escaping "<" and ">" in the xml file using
> xml.dom.minidom.
>   I tried to get the unicode hex value and use that instead  (
> http://slayeroffice.com/tools/unicode_lookup/)
>   Tried to use the standard "&lt;" and "&gt;" but still with no success.
>   I saw similar bugs in python bugzilla - http://bugs.python.org/issue5752and some others but not sure.
>
>
> >>> from xml.dom.minidom import Document
> >>> doc = Document()
> >>> e = doc.createElement("abc")
> >>> s1 = '<hello>bhaskar</hello>'
> >>> text = doc.createTextNode(s1)
> >>> e.appendChild(text)
> <DOM Text node "<hello>bha...">
>
> >>> e.toxml()
> '<abc>&lt;hello&gt;bhaskar&lt;/hello&gt;</abc>'
>
> same result with writexml()
>
>
> >>> from xml.dom.minidom import Document
> >>> doc = Document()
> >>> e = doc.createElement("abc")
> >>> s1 = u'&lt;hello&gt;bhaskar&lt;/hello&gt;'
> >>> text = doc.createTextNode(s1)
> >>> e.appendChild(text)
> <DOM Text node "&lt;hello&...">
>
> >>> e.toxml()
> u'<abc>&amp;lt;hello&amp;gt;bhaskar&amp;lt;/hello&amp;gt;</abc>'
>
>
> Tried other ways but with same results.
> Only way is to override the writer and replace like shown here -
> http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t330646-a-simple-xmldomminidom-question.html
> .
>
> Has anybody solved this?
>
> I want to have a text node with contents as
> "ds:X509Certificate>-----BEGIN CERTIFICATE----- </ds:X509Certificate>".
> Creating an element as "ds:x509Certificate" and then creating a text node
> with the certificate and appending it to the element works but a third
> party-library fails to parse it.
> So would like to have a single text node with the contents.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --Bhaskar.
>
>
>

From jaganadhg at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 12:09:28 2009
From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:39:28 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] psycopg2 problem
Message-ID: <ae55eb500910260409u1420bcacsc806dbcb7af62a6f@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All

I was trying to connect to postgre db with Python psycopg2 . The code for
connecting the db is

    import psycopg2

    try:
        dbconn = psycopg2.connect( "dbname=%s user=%s\
        host='localhost' password=%s" ) % ( dbname,dbuser, dbpass )
    except:
        raise

When I am running the program it throws the follwing error .
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "test.py", line 228, in <module>
    retriveData(dbn, dbu, dbp, idb,odt)
  File "test.py", line 24, in retriveData
    host='localhost' password=%s" ) % ( dbname,dbuser, dbpass )
psycopg2.OperationalError: FATAL:  password authentication failed for user
"%s"

How to resolve this.

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**********************************
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From anandology at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 12:16:55 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:46:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] psycopg2 problem
In-Reply-To: <ae55eb500910260409u1420bcacsc806dbcb7af62a6f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ae55eb500910260409u1420bcacsc806dbcb7af62a6f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910260416q7a4bb322g9fd5edd0936e064a@mail.gmail.com>

> I was trying to connect to postgre db with Python psycopg2 . The code for
> connecting the db is
>
> ? ?import psycopg2
>
> ? ?try:
> ? ? ? ?dbconn = psycopg2.connect( "dbname=%s user=%s\
> ? ? ? ?host='localhost' password=%s" ) % ( dbname,dbuser, dbpass )
> ? ?except:
> ? ? ? ?raise

You are trying to pass all db parameters. You should be doing some
thing like this:

conn = psycopg2.connect(dbname=dbname, user=dbuser, password=dbpass)

Anand

From jaganadhg at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 12:30:21 2009
From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:00:21 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] psycopg2 problem
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910260416q7a4bb322g9fd5edd0936e064a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ae55eb500910260409u1420bcacsc806dbcb7af62a6f@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910260416q7a4bb322g9fd5edd0936e064a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ae55eb500910260430j12787d59o338c9e69cbdd8821@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:

> > I was trying to connect to postgre db with Python psycopg2 . The code for
> > connecting the db is
> >
> >    import psycopg2
> >
> >    try:
> >        dbconn = psycopg2.connect( "dbname=%s user=%s\
> >        host='localhost' password=%s" ) % ( dbname,dbuser, dbpass )
> >    except:
> >        raise
>
> You are trying to pass all db parameters. You should be doing some
> thing like this:
>
> conn = psycopg2.connect(dbname=dbname, user=dbuser, password=dbpass)
>
> Anand
>

Now I did it . The code will be now

    dbcs = "dbname=%s user=%s host='localhost' password=%s" %(dbname,
dbuser,dbpass)



    try:
        dbconn = psycopg2.connect( dbcs )

    except:
        raise

Thanks


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**********************************
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http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog

Sent from Chennai, TN, India

From anandology at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 12:34:58 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:04:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] psycopg2 problem
In-Reply-To: <ae55eb500910260430j12787d59o338c9e69cbdd8821@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ae55eb500910260409u1420bcacsc806dbcb7af62a6f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<41139fcb0910260416q7a4bb322g9fd5edd0936e064a@mail.gmail.com> 
	<ae55eb500910260430j12787d59o338c9e69cbdd8821@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910260434p63006a3fofa3c389dd6a7189f@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 5:00 PM, JAGANADH G <jaganadhg at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> > I was trying to connect to postgre db with Python psycopg2 . The code for
>> > connecting the db is
>> >
>> > ? ?import psycopg2
>> >
>> > ? ?try:
>> > ? ? ? ?dbconn = psycopg2.connect( "dbname=%s user=%s\
>> > ? ? ? ?host='localhost' password=%s" ) % ( dbname,dbuser, dbpass )
>> > ? ?except:
>> > ? ? ? ?raise
>>
>> You are trying to pass all db parameters. You should be doing some
>> thing like this:
>>
>> conn = psycopg2.connect(dbname=dbname, user=dbuser, password=dbpass)
>>
>> Anand
>>
>
> Now I did it . The code will be now
>
> ? ?dbcs = "dbname=%s user=%s host='localhost' password=%s" %(dbname,
> dbuser,dbpass)

It is not same. You are trying to creating one string and pass that
string as argument to connect. But I passed 3 different parameters.

f(1, 2) is not same as f("1 2").

Anand

From jaganadhg at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 12:41:59 2009
From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:11:59 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] psycopg2 problem
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910260434p63006a3fofa3c389dd6a7189f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ae55eb500910260409u1420bcacsc806dbcb7af62a6f@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910260416q7a4bb322g9fd5edd0936e064a@mail.gmail.com>
	<ae55eb500910260430j12787d59o338c9e69cbdd8821@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910260434p63006a3fofa3c389dd6a7189f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ae55eb500910260441o5f601c0dt9db49eba2ba31eee@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 5:00 PM, JAGANADH G <jaganadhg at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> > I was trying to connect to postgre db with Python psycopg2 . The code
> for
> >> > connecting the db is
> >> >
> >> >    import psycopg2
> >> >
> >> >    try:
> >> >        dbconn = psycopg2.connect( "dbname=%s user=%s\
> >> >        host='localhost' password=%s" ) % ( dbname,dbuser, dbpass )
> >> >    except:
> >> >        raise
> >>
> >> You are trying to pass all db parameters. You should be doing some
> >> thing like this:
> >>
> >> conn = psycopg2.connect(dbname=dbname, user=dbuser, password=dbpass)
> >>
> >> Anand
> >>
> >
> > Now I did it . The code will be now
> >
> >    dbcs = "dbname=%s user=%s host='localhost' password=%s" %(dbname,
> > dbuser,dbpass)
>
> It is not same. You are trying to creating one string and pass that
> string as argument to connect. But I passed 3 different parameters.
>
> f(1, 2) is not same as f("1 2").
>
>
Right .
Any how I am facing new problem now. See the error. Any hint ?

   dbcursor.execute( "SELECT id,text FROM %s " ) % indbtname
psycopg2.ProgrammingError: syntax error at or near "%"
LINE 1: SELECT id,text FROM %s

-- 
**********************************
JAGANADH G
http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog

Sent from Chennai, TN, India

From anandology at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 12:45:12 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:15:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] psycopg2 problem
In-Reply-To: <ae55eb500910260441o5f601c0dt9db49eba2ba31eee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ae55eb500910260409u1420bcacsc806dbcb7af62a6f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<41139fcb0910260416q7a4bb322g9fd5edd0936e064a@mail.gmail.com> 
	<ae55eb500910260430j12787d59o338c9e69cbdd8821@mail.gmail.com> 
	<41139fcb0910260434p63006a3fofa3c389dd6a7189f@mail.gmail.com> 
	<ae55eb500910260441o5f601c0dt9db49eba2ba31eee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910260445s2e033540sfc3038382bdd1de8@mail.gmail.com>

>>
> Right .
> Any how I am facing new problem now. See the error. Any hint ?
>
> ? dbcursor.execute( "SELECT id,text FROM %s " ) % indbtname
> psycopg2.ProgrammingError: syntax error at or near "%"
> LINE 1: SELECT id,text FROM %s

You should construct the query first and then pass the query as
argument to execute function.

I suggest you to go through basic python tutorial before trying some
serious programming. Python Tutorial is best place to start.

http://docs.python.org/tutorial/index.html

Anand

From jaganadhg at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 12:52:37 2009
From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:22:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] psycopg2 problem
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb0910260445s2e033540sfc3038382bdd1de8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ae55eb500910260409u1420bcacsc806dbcb7af62a6f@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910260416q7a4bb322g9fd5edd0936e064a@mail.gmail.com>
	<ae55eb500910260430j12787d59o338c9e69cbdd8821@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910260434p63006a3fofa3c389dd6a7189f@mail.gmail.com>
	<ae55eb500910260441o5f601c0dt9db49eba2ba31eee@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb0910260445s2e033540sfc3038382bdd1de8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ae55eb500910260452v372fbcebn9959f5d724721392@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:

> >>
> > Right .
> > Any how I am facing new problem now. See the error. Any hint ?
> >
> >   dbcursor.execute( "SELECT id,text FROM %s " ) % indbtname
> > psycopg2.ProgrammingError: syntax error at or near "%"
> > LINE 1: SELECT id,text FROM %s
>
> You should construct the query first and then pass the query as
> argument to execute function.
>
> I suggest you to go through basic python tutorial before trying some
> serious programming. Python Tutorial is best place to start.
>
> http://docs.python.org/tutorial/index.html
>
> Anand
>
Thanks . I am a newbe to databse programming . First time.

-- 
**********************************
JAGANADH G
http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog

Sent from Chennai, TN, India

From abpillai at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 13:11:00 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:41:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] FW: Exception file,lineno,method inforamtion needed
In-Reply-To: <6B08D8093FDF7A4A80ED10C13E19D18A032D371FCE@APACSNCEXMB1.corp.nai.org>
References: <6B08D8093FDF7A4A80ED10C13E19D18A032D371FCE@APACSNCEXMB1.corp.nai.org>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910260511s30b0b49cu8dd0e7b283f00845@mail.gmail.com>

Forwarding a question from a friend, since he could not reach the list
due to some reason...

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: edukulla Santhosh kumar <k2_santhosh at yahoo.com>
Subject: Exception file,lineno,method inforamtion needed
To: bangpypers at python.org
Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 12:52 PM

    Hi Team,

    Iam using the logging module of python to log messages to a file.

    I have the following code:

    ###Filename : Method.py
    class _Method:

    def _init_(self):
        self.a = None

    def g(self):
         a = 1/0
         print(a)

    ###Filename: Test.py
    from Method import _Method
    from log import log

    k = _Method()

    def f():
       try:
         k.g()
      except Exception,e:
         log(e)

    Now, the log()  method under Test above is under log.py and uses the
logging module of python with the following format specifications. When we
print the e under log, what i wanted is the information trace pertaining to
Method.py like where actually the line no,filename and module name
information under method.py to be printed. Currently,iam not getting what i
wanted.

    What need to be done to achieve this?
    %(levelno)s
    %(levelname)s
    %(pathname)s
    %(filename)s
    %(module)s
    %(funcName)s
    %(lineno)d
    %(created)f
    %(relativeCreated)d
    %(asctime)s
    %(msecs)d
    %(thread)d
    %(threadName)s
    %(process)d
    %(message)s

    Thanks in Advance!
    Santhosh

From anandology at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 13:38:55 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:08:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] FW: Exception file, lineno,
	method inforamtion needed
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910260511s30b0b49cu8dd0e7b283f00845@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6B08D8093FDF7A4A80ED10C13E19D18A032D371FCE@APACSNCEXMB1.corp.nai.org>
	<8548c5f30910260511s30b0b49cu8dd0e7b283f00845@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910260538g27e11258wbb9c8c48a34b1a93@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> Forwarding a question from a friend, since he could not reach the list
> due to some reason...
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: edukulla Santhosh kumar <k2_santhosh at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Exception file,lineno,method inforamtion needed
> To: bangpypers at python.org
> Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 12:52 PM
>
> ? ?Hi Team,
>
> ? ?Iam using the logging module of python to log messages to a file.
>
> ? ?I have the following code:
>
> ? ?###Filename : Method.py
> ? ?class _Method:
>
> ? ?def _init_(self):
> ? ? ? ?self.a = None
>
> ? ?def g(self):
> ? ? ? ? a = 1/0
> ? ? ? ? print(a)
>
> ? ?###Filename: Test.py
> ? ?from Method import _Method
> ? ?from log import log
>
> ? ?k = _Method()
>
> ? ?def f():
> ? ? ? try:
> ? ? ? ? k.g()
> ? ? ?except Exception,e:
> ? ? ? ? log(e)
>
> ? ?Now, the log() ?method under Test above is under log.py and uses the
> logging module of python with the following format specifications. When we
> print the e under log, what i wanted is the information trace pertaining to
> Method.py like where actually the line no,filename and module name
> information under method.py to be printed. Currently,iam not getting what i
> wanted.
>
> ? ?What need to be done to achieve this?
> ? ?%(levelno)s
> ? ?%(levelname)s
> ? ?%(pathname)s
> ? ?%(filename)s
> ? ?%(module)s
> ? ?%(funcName)s
> ? ?%(lineno)d
> ? ?%(created)f
> ? ?%(relativeCreated)d
> ? ?%(asctime)s
> ? ?%(msecs)d
> ? ?%(thread)d
> ? ?%(threadName)s
> ? ?%(process)d
> ? ?%(message)s

You can get filename, function, lineno information like this:

    exception_type, exception_value, tback = sys.exc_info()
    frames = []
    while tback is not None:
        filename = tback.tb_frame.f_code.co_filename
        function = tback.tb_frame.f_code.co_name
        lineno = tback.tb_lineno

thread name can be found from:
    threading.currentThread().getName()

Can you explain what mean by level, created, relativeCreated, asctime,
process etc.

Anand

From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 13:45:39 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:15:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] FW: Exception file, lineno,
	method inforamtion needed
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f30910260511s30b0b49cu8dd0e7b283f00845@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6B08D8093FDF7A4A80ED10C13E19D18A032D371FCE@APACSNCEXMB1.corp.nai.org>
	<8548c5f30910260511s30b0b49cu8dd0e7b283f00845@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910260545p2c07457dla7a65a2c3ffaf9bb@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> ? ?Now, the log() ?method under Test above is under log.py and uses the
> logging module of python with the following format specifications. When we
> print the e under log, what i wanted is the information trace pertaining to
> Method.py like where actually the line no,filename and module name
> information under method.py to be printed. Currently,iam not getting what i
> wanted.

If this is what you want, the logging call should be inside Method.py.

You should publish (as part of your API), the logging class which
calling applications can modify (add/remove handlers etc.) so that
they can get desired behaviour.

It would be a bug if you made a logging call inside Test.py and it
said that it was being called from Method.py

OTOH, if you explicitly want the details of which module/class etc. of
the callee, you can get it from the stack frame.



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From shivraj.ms at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 16:03:41 2009
From: shivraj.ms at gmail.com (Shivaraj M S)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:03:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] escaping for xml
In-Reply-To: <7f2cbc970910252257y2209e8eaqaa70c73e9d15ef4b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7f2cbc970910252257y2209e8eaqaa70c73e9d15ef4b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26061412.post@talk.nabble.com>


This may be a solution if I am not getting you wrong.
1.write the whole string to a file 
2.feed that to xml.dom.minidom.parse 
3.retrieve whole or childnodes from toxml



BhaskarJain wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
>   I am stuck while escaping "<" and ">" in the xml file using
> xml.dom.minidom.
>   I tried to get the unicode hex value and use that instead  (
> http://slayeroffice.com/tools/unicode_lookup/)
>   Tried to use the standard "&lt;" and "&gt;" but still with no success.
>   I saw similar bugs in python bugzilla -
> http://bugs.python.org/issue5752and some others but not sure.
> 
> 
>>>> from xml.dom.minidom import Document
>>>> doc = Document()
>>>> e = doc.createElement("abc")
>>>> s1 = '<hello>bhaskar</hello>'
>>>> text = doc.createTextNode(s1)
>>>> e.appendChild(text)
> <DOM Text node "<hello>bha...">
> 
>>>> e.toxml()
> '<abc>&lt;hello&gt;bhaskar&lt;/hello&gt;</abc>'
> 
> same result with writexml()
> 
> 
>>>> from xml.dom.minidom import Document
>>>> doc = Document()
>>>> e = doc.createElement("abc")
>>>> s1 = u'&lt;hello&gt;bhaskar&lt;/hello&gt;'
>>>> text = doc.createTextNode(s1)
>>>> e.appendChild(text)
> <DOM Text node "&lt;hello&...">
> 
>>>> e.toxml()
> u'<abc>&amp;lt;hello&amp;gt;bhaskar&amp;lt;/hello&amp;gt;</abc>'
> 
> 
> Tried other ways but with same results.
> Only way is to override the writer and replace like shown here -
> http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t330646-a-simple-xmldomminidom-question.html
> .
> 
> Has anybody solved this?
> 
> I want to have a text node with contents as  
> "ds:X509Certificate>-----BEGIN
> CERTIFICATE----- </ds:X509Certificate>".
> Creating an element as "ds:x509Certificate" and then creating a text node
> with the certificate and appending it to the element works but a third
> party-library fails to parse it.
> So would like to have a single text node with the contents.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> --Bhaskar.
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> 
> 

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From bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 26 16:51:51 2009
From: bhaskar.jain2002 at gmail.com (bhaskar jain)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:21:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] escaping for xml
In-Reply-To: <26061412.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <7f2cbc970910252257y2209e8eaqaa70c73e9d15ef4b@mail.gmail.com>
	<26061412.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <7f2cbc970910260851gdffa173q878e8fe9e09bc440@mail.gmail.com>

>>>On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Shivaraj M S <shivraj.ms at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> This may be a solution if I am not getting you wrong.
> 1.write the whole string to a file
> 2.feed that to xml.dom.minidom.parse
> 3.retrieve whole or childnodes from toxml



Thank you for the reply.

My problem was that i had an element and had created a textnode with a
public certificate and then appended it as a child to the element.
Problem is writexml(), toxml() when given '\n' for pretty printing add a
newline between the element and the text node. So
So my third party wants -

<element>----BEGIN CERTIFICATE
.. ....
</element>


and we give him

<element>
-----BEGIN CERITIFICATE
......
</element>



>>> import xml.dom.minidom as md
>>> doc = md.Document()
>>> e = doc.createElement("element")
>>> t = doc.createTextNode("----BEGIN CERT---- blah blah ---END---CERT---")
>>> e.appendChild(t)
<DOM Text node "----BEGIN ...">

>>> e.toxml()
'<element>----BEGIN CERT---- blah blah ---END---CERT---</element>'

>>> e.toprettyxml()
'<element>\n\t----BEGIN CERT---- blah blah ---END---CERT---\n</element>\n'

So was using writexml('\t', '\n') so as the xml is readable and it added a
newline after the element and before the text node causing my third party
library to barf in agony.

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1623607/escaping-and-in-xml-when-using-xml-dom-minidom

--Bhaskar.

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 07:49:39 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:19:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] About llvm and llvm-py
Message-ID: <49977f270910262349n1459d405lb738d7e076f53b86@mail.gmail.com>

Folks:

LLVM just got released: http://lwn.net/Articles/358646/

While reading up more about LLVM, I chanced upon llvm-py, and invited
the author (Mahadevan R) to present on llvm-py at BangPyper meet.

Links:
llvm : http://llvm.org/
llvm-py: http://mdevan.nfshost.com/llvm-py/index.html

-- Sriram

From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 08:27:35 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:57:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] About llvm and llvm-py
In-Reply-To: <49977f270910262349n1459d405lb738d7e076f53b86@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49977f270910262349n1459d405lb738d7e076f53b86@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910270027w1b25f44fm7406a1f8fd3c37a3@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
> Folks:
>
> LLVM just got released: http://lwn.net/Articles/358646/
>
> While reading up more about LLVM, I chanced upon llvm-py, and invited
> the author (Mahadevan R) to present on llvm-py at BangPyper meet.

This is awesome. I'm extremely eager to get my fingers dirty with LLVM
since I think the unladen swallow project is one of the most promising
optimisation attempts for Python.

When will the presentation be? I'd like it to be in November since we
had 2 this month already but that depends on Mahadevan's schedule.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 20:33:12 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:03:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] {Cross Post }-- Django project for schools
Message-ID: <6e38f9f00910271233s53386cdal8f39cfffb88527df@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,

I heard someone mention about working on some open source project for
schools on Django somewhere in one of the groups.

Can the developers of this project, kindly stand up please ?


Thanks

-- 
Ramdas S
+91 9342 583 065

From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Oct 28 02:58:07 2009
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:28:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Inpycon] {Cross Post }-- Django project for
	schools
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00910271233s53386cdal8f39cfffb88527df@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6e38f9f00910271233s53386cdal8f39cfffb88527df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb0910271858s2754f535p818e6a573567a353@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey,
>
> I heard someone mention about working on some open source project for
> schools on Django somewhere in one of the groups.
>
> Can the developers of this project, kindly stand up please ?

Contact dinesh at servelots.com. He is the coordinator of that project
and he'll be able to get you in touch with the developers.

Anand

From trilokgk at gmail.com  Wed Oct 28 14:56:02 2009
From: trilokgk at gmail.com (Trilok Khairnar)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:26:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Opensolaris sessions on Saturday at 3 pm at
	Thoughtworks Bangalore
In-Reply-To: <49977f270910230816x6f0f4700y5e6d75d08129c3aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49977f270910230816x6f0f4700y5e6d75d08129c3aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <185938120910280656u38f03200i683cf4f9454ca97b@mail.gmail.com>

Would be cool if you could do the same sessions in Pune too, and/ or
if recordings of these sessions (slides/ videos) are available.

Thanks,
Trilok

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
> Folks:
>
> We're conducting a number of sessions tomorrow on some opensolaris technologies.
>
> Based on a survey that I had put out, the following are the topics
> that we'll cover:
>
> 1. Observing and investigating processes using Dtrace - Pradhap
> Devarajan, Sun Microsystems
> 2. What's exciting about the ZFS filesystem - Sriram Narayanan, Thoughtworks
> 3. Deployments made easy - Zones and ZFS - Moinak Ghosh, Belenix Lead Developer
>
> Venue: Thoughtworks Technologies, Tower C, Corporate Block, Diamond
> District, HAL Airport Road.
> Landmarks:
> - Near the Indiranagar Flyover off Inner Ring Road
> - Opposite TGIF
>
> Time: 3 pm to 7 pm
>
> -- Sriram
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From bharath.keshav at gmail.com  Wed Oct 28 21:10:46 2009
From: bharath.keshav at gmail.com (Bharath Keshav)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:40:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Innovative Two Product Start-Up Hiring Brilliant
	Developers
Message-ID: <dd2dde450910281310j1a8ef429g9ea36f4fcb3fe39f@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Bangpypers,

My start-up is hiring...we've got two products ready which we'll be
launching in the next two months:  an innovative news aggregation web
application and a new browser built on Mozilla.  We're currently considering
brilliant and super-motivated, ego-less developers at the fresher, junior
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We offer a competitive salary, intense, challenging and rewarding work.

If you're seeking a new challenge and this sounds like you, please send us
your CV or resume and a letter describing what brought you
to technology/programming to jobs at hiddenreflex dot com.

Thanks,
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From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 28 21:19:18 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:49:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Innovative Two Product Start-Up Hiring Brilliant
	Developers
In-Reply-To: <dd2dde450910281310j1a8ef429g9ea36f4fcb3fe39f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dd2dde450910281310j1a8ef429g9ea36f4fcb3fe39f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910281319m4d3e9584r88fe5c042f7024c2@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Bharath Keshav
<bharath.keshav at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Bangpypers,
>
> My start-up is hiring...we've got two products ready which we'll be
[..]

I'm not sure if it's formalised yet but it's customary to tag such
posts with [commercial].

Peace.
-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From anand.shashwat at gmail.com  Fri Oct 30 01:01:39 2009
From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:31:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] some doubts regarding python
Message-ID: <d4ab53de0910291701h7ae1447do3af5a4fd597a5a51@mail.gmail.com>

*# 1:*

>>> sum([1, 2, 3], 4)
10

How does it actually work ?
( ( (1 + 2) + 3) + 4)  or ( ( (4 + 1) + 2 + 3)

sum( ) -> sum: (sequence[, start]), so shouldn't 4 be the 'start' that's
second case ?

"Note that sum(range(n), m) is equivalent to reduce(operator.add, range(n),
m)"

>>> sum ( [ [ 1 ], [ 2, 3 ] ], [ ])
[1, 2, 3]
What's happening here exactly ?
[ 1] + [2, 3] = [1, 2, 3] is understandable, but why do we pass a [ ] as a
[start] parameter to do so ?

>>> reduce(operator.mul, [1, 2, 3], 4)
24
how does it works ?
( ( (1 * 2) * 3) * 4) or (((4 * 1) * 2) * 3)

*# 2:*

I wrote an LCM function of mine as follows:

import fractions
def lcm(mylist):
    # lcm by defination is Lowest Common Multiple
    # lcm (a*b) = a*b / gcd(a*b)
    # lcm (a, b, c) = lcm(lcm(a, b), c)
    # the function lcm() returns lcm of numbers in a list
    # for the special case of two numbers, pass the argument as lcm([a, b])
    sol = 1
    for i in mylist:
        sol = sol * i / fractions.gcd(sol, i)
    return sol

print lcm(range(1, 11))  #gives lcm of numbers (1, 2, 3....,9 ,10)
print lcm([2, 3])             #gives lcm of two numbers, a special case
print lcm([2, 5, 6, 10])   #gives lcm of a random list


However I also did a dirty hack as an alternate approach :

import fractions
l = [1]
print max( ( l[i-2], l.append(l[-1] * i / fractions.gcd(l[-1], i ) ) ) for i
in range(2, 12) )[0]
# prints the LCM of list (1, 10)

However to shorten the code i made it totally unpythonic.
Can reduce( ) or any other function be of help ?

Let me take a test-case as an example:
I want to multiple all the content of a given list,
now say my list is lst = [2, 3, 9]
I can do:

sol = 1
for i in lst:
    sol *= i
print sol

However this can also be done as:

>>>reduce( operator.mul, lst)

Can it be done via List Comprehension or we have to do dirty hacks as
mentioned above :(
Can the LCM function be reduced ?

*The point is if we insert a variable( sol here in both test case and LCM
case), which changes its values dynamically depending upon the next values
of the list, how can I calculate so without going through the long way of
using for-construct*, which makes me feel as though i'm coding in C. reduce(
) or even sum( ) does helps in some cases but it constrains me as per my
requirement. Any pointers ?

From navin.kabra at gmail.com  Fri Oct 30 01:25:51 2009
From: navin.kabra at gmail.com (Navin Kabra)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:55:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] some doubts regarding python
In-Reply-To: <d4ab53de0910291701h7ae1447do3af5a4fd597a5a51@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d4ab53de0910291701h7ae1447do3af5a4fd597a5a51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ce7f20c60910291725t4c4ba16sf12741571a47eae8@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 5:31 AM, Shashwat Anand <anand.shashwat at gmail.com>wrote:

> *# 1:*
>
> >>> sum([1, 2, 3], 4)
> 10
>
> How does it actually work ?
> ( ( (1 + 2) + 3) + 4)  or ( ( (4 + 1) + 2 + 3)
>

( ( (4 + 1) + 2 + 3)
4 is the 'start'


> >>> sum ( [ [ 1 ], [ 2, 3 ] ], [ ])
> [1, 2, 3]
> What's happening here exactly ?
>

(([] + [1]) + [2, 3])



> [ 1] + [2, 3] = [1, 2, 3] is understandable, but why do we pass a [ ] as a
> [start] parameter to do so ?
>

The start defaults to 0.
So you'll get
((0 + [1]) + [2, 3])
which is a type error. Cannot add 0 to a list.


> >>> reduce(operator.mul, [1, 2, 3], 4)
> 24
> how does it works ?
> ( ( (1 * 2) * 3) * 4) or (((4 * 1) * 2) * 3)
>

(((4 * 1) * 2) * 3)


>>>reduce( operator.mul, lst)
>
> Can it be done via List Comprehension or we have to do dirty hacks as
> mentioned above :(
> Can the LCM function be reduced ?
>

Something like this should work:
def lcm2(a, b):
  return a*b/fractions.gcd(a,b)

def lcm(mylist):
  return reduce(lcm2, mylist)

From navin.kabra at gmail.com  Fri Oct 30 01:28:39 2009
From: navin.kabra at gmail.com (Navin Kabra)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 05:58:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] some doubts regarding python
In-Reply-To: <ce7f20c60910291725t4c4ba16sf12741571a47eae8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d4ab53de0910291701h7ae1447do3af5a4fd597a5a51@mail.gmail.com> 
	<ce7f20c60910291725t4c4ba16sf12741571a47eae8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ce7f20c60910291728j378a5790l4becbb9abf6acbb9@mail.gmail.com>

> Something like this should work:
> def lcm2(a, b):
>   return a*b/fractions.gcd(a,b)
>
> def lcm(mylist):
>   return reduce(lcm2, mylist)
>

Actually, this probably should be "reduce(lcm2, mylist, 1)"

navin.

From anand.shashwat at gmail.com  Fri Oct 30 02:16:14 2009
From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:46:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] some doubts regarding python
In-Reply-To: <ce7f20c60910291728j378a5790l4becbb9abf6acbb9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d4ab53de0910291701h7ae1447do3af5a4fd597a5a51@mail.gmail.com>
	<ce7f20c60910291725t4c4ba16sf12741571a47eae8@mail.gmail.com>
	<ce7f20c60910291728j378a5790l4becbb9abf6acbb9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d4ab53de0910291816m7c9bf80cr7a3c24a4710bacfa@mail.gmail.com>

@Navin : Thanks

in case #2:
"reduce(lcm2, mylist)" works fine

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Navin Kabra <navin.kabra at gmail.com> wrote:

> > Something like this should work:
> > def lcm2(a, b):
> >   return a*b/fractions.gcd(a,b)
> >
> > def lcm(mylist):
> >   return reduce(lcm2, mylist)
> >
>
> Actually, this probably should be "reduce(lcm2, mylist, 1)"
>
> navin.
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From navin.kabra at gmail.com  Fri Oct 30 02:58:11 2009
From: navin.kabra at gmail.com (Navin Kabra)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:28:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] some doubts regarding python
In-Reply-To: <d4ab53de0910291816m7c9bf80cr7a3c24a4710bacfa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d4ab53de0910291701h7ae1447do3af5a4fd597a5a51@mail.gmail.com> 
	<ce7f20c60910291725t4c4ba16sf12741571a47eae8@mail.gmail.com> 
	<ce7f20c60910291728j378a5790l4becbb9abf6acbb9@mail.gmail.com> 
	<d4ab53de0910291816m7c9bf80cr7a3c24a4710bacfa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ce7f20c60910291858t390f959n2f6b60df2f3448ee@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 6:46 AM, Shashwat Anand <anand.shashwat at gmail.com>wrote:

> @Navin : Thanks
>
> in case #2:
> "reduce(lcm2, mylist)" works fine
>


Depends upon what you want the behavior to be when mylist is empty. Sending
in a start of '1' will give you '1' as the lcm of an empty list. Sending in
nothing will result in an exception.

navin.

From amit.pureenergy at gmail.com  Fri Oct 30 07:07:35 2009
From: amit.pureenergy at gmail.com (Amit Sethi)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:37:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] How to search a word list very fast
Message-ID: <da81a0a80910292307s50fcc0e9uef51465adf11e6df@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I am trying to develop a sort of keyword generator for blog posts much like
the Yahoo Keyword service . As an initial idea I am using the list of most
used 3000 words in project Gutenberg as being redundant . My question is
what is the best way to organize my data and what algorithms would allow me
to search this list the fastest.
I am sorry for asking a very algorithmic question on the list but I don't
know where I can ask my more algorithmic problems suggestions on that would
be great
Thanks


-- 
A-M-I-T S|S

From venkat83 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 30 07:13:05 2009
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:43:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] How to search a word list very fast
In-Reply-To: <da81a0a80910292307s50fcc0e9uef51465adf11e6df@mail.gmail.com>
References: <da81a0a80910292307s50fcc0e9uef51465adf11e6df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a3b05e8b0910292313x55e9c230w9146395281bc0c72@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Amit Sethi <amit.pureenergy at gmail.com>wrote:

> I am trying to develop a sort of keyword generator for blog posts much like
> the Yahoo Keyword service .


I havent tried the latter - hence do not know how it works and what it is
used for.


> As an initial idea I am using the list of most
> used 3000 words in project Gutenberg as being redundant . My question is
> what is the best way to organize my data and what algorithms would allow me
> to search this list the fastest.
>

Try using Patricia Tries.

-V-
http://twitter.com/venkasub

From rmathews at gmail.com  Fri Oct 30 07:20:36 2009
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:50:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] How to search a word list very fast
In-Reply-To: <da81a0a80910292307s50fcc0e9uef51465adf11e6df@mail.gmail.com>
References: <da81a0a80910292307s50fcc0e9uef51465adf11e6df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c4dc2780910292320v16a86bd6m5627468a0c066173@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Amit Sethi <amit.pureenergy at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am trying to develop a sort of keyword generator for blog posts much like
> the Yahoo Keyword service . As an initial idea I am using the list of most
> used 3000 words in project Gutenberg as being redundant . My question is
> what is the best way to organize my data and what algorithms would allow me
> to search this list the fastest.
> I am sorry for asking a very algorithmic question on the list but I don't
> know where I can ask my more algorithmic problems suggestions on that would
> be great
>

Use a dict() if you want to store counts, or a set()

Worry about performance when you have to.

Roshan

From navin.kabra at gmail.com  Fri Oct 30 09:19:34 2009
From: navin.kabra at gmail.com (Navin Kabra)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:49:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] How to search a word list very fast
In-Reply-To: <da81a0a80910292307s50fcc0e9uef51465adf11e6df@mail.gmail.com>
References: <da81a0a80910292307s50fcc0e9uef51465adf11e6df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ce7f20c60910300119h12c94804u3cb9182ec4302c4b@mail.gmail.com>

Amit,
Question: why do you want to build this yourself?
Depending on what exactly you want to do, it is quite likely that there
already exists an algorithm or a free service that does this for you. You
should search for that...

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Amit Sethi <amit.pureenergy at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi,
> I am trying to develop a sort of keyword generator for blog posts much like
> the Yahoo Keyword service . As an initial idea I am using the list of most
> used 3000 words in project Gutenberg as being redundant . My question is
> what is the best way to organize my data and what algorithms would allow me
> to search this list the fastest.
> I am sorry for asking a very algorithmic question on the list but I don't
> know where I can ask my more algorithmic problems suggestions on that would
> be great
> Thanks
>
>
> --
> A-M-I-T S|S
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Oct 30 09:58:38 2009
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:28:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] How to search a word list very fast
In-Reply-To: <ce7f20c60910300119h12c94804u3cb9182ec4302c4b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <da81a0a80910292307s50fcc0e9uef51465adf11e6df@mail.gmail.com>
	<ce7f20c60910300119h12c94804u3cb9182ec4302c4b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f30910300158h25b9656an2de6ff6477d9967c@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Navin Kabra <navin.kabra at gmail.com> wrote:

> Amit,
> Question: why do you want to build this yourself?
> Depending on what exactly you want to do, it is quite likely that there
> already exists an algorithm or a free service that does this for you. You
> should search for that...
>

 Yes. If you are interested in word/language processing algorithms in Python
 give NLTK a try. Many of these problems are already solved there.

 http://nltk.org



>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Amit Sethi <amit.pureenergy at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I am trying to develop a sort of keyword generator for blog posts much
> like
> > the Yahoo Keyword service . As an initial idea I am using the list of
> most
> > used 3000 words in project Gutenberg as being redundant . My question is
> > what is the best way to organize my data and what algorithms would allow
> me
> > to search this list the fastest.
> > I am sorry for asking a very algorithmic question on the list but I don't
> > know where I can ask my more algorithmic problems suggestions on that
> would
> > be great
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > --
> > A-M-I-T S|S
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
--Anand

From amit.pureenergy at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 06:49:43 2009
From: amit.pureenergy at gmail.com (Amit Sethi)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:19:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] python zlib problem
Message-ID: <da81a0a80910302249x70cad6d1w35bbc266ab1d4b47@mail.gmail.com>

Hi ,
For some unknown reason ,  a bug or a screw up I did myself their is no
python-zlib which is supposed to be in standard library(python2.6 on ubuntu
jaunty).What is the best
way to install this in a non-obtrusive way .Its a very important as many
packages refer to this and also python-setuptools.
--
A-M-I-T S|S

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 07:18:27 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:48:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] python zlib problem
In-Reply-To: <da81a0a80910302249x70cad6d1w35bbc266ab1d4b47@mail.gmail.com>
References: <da81a0a80910302249x70cad6d1w35bbc266ab1d4b47@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49977f270910302318h45afd15t6719118e6ad77107@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Amit Sethi <amit.pureenergy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi ,
> For some unknown reason , ?a bug or a screw up I did myself their is no
> python-zlib which is supposed to be in standard library(python2.6 on ubuntu
> jaunty).What is the best
> way to install this in a non-obtrusive way .Its a very important as many
> packages refer to this and also python-setuptools.

apt-get repair may help you.

> --
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>

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 07:29:40 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:59:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] About llvm and llvm-py
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910270027w1b25f44fm7406a1f8fd3c37a3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49977f270910262349n1459d405lb738d7e076f53b86@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910270027w1b25f44fm7406a1f8fd3c37a3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49977f270910302329r45766921xbe124f5cfc3db5ef@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Folks:
>>
>> LLVM just got released: http://lwn.net/Articles/358646/
>>
>> While reading up more about LLVM, I chanced upon llvm-py, and invited
>> the author (Mahadevan R) to present on llvm-py at BangPyper meet.
>
> This is awesome. I'm extremely eager to get my fingers dirty with LLVM
> since I think the unladen swallow project is one of the most promising
> optimisation attempts for Python.
>

Yes. LLVM is interesting indeed. I'm especially impressed by their feature set.

> When will the presentation be? I'd like it to be in November since we
> had 2 this month already but that depends on Mahadevan's schedule.
>
>

Mahadevan has replied and said that he's eager to showcase his work so far.
I've sent to him a link to the bangpypers list, and have also asked
him which of the upcoming weekends are convenient to him.

> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
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>

From noufal at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 07:33:09 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:03:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] python zlib problem
In-Reply-To: <da81a0a80910302249x70cad6d1w35bbc266ab1d4b47@mail.gmail.com>
References: <da81a0a80910302249x70cad6d1w35bbc266ab1d4b47@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910302333s26feeee4oc21f56d02c1fd584@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Amit Sethi <amit.pureenergy at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi ,
> For some unknown reason , ?a bug or a screw up I did myself their is no
> python-zlib which is supposed to be in standard library(python2.6 on ubuntu
> jaunty).What is the best
> way to install this in a non-obtrusive way .Its a very important as many
> packages refer to this and also python-setuptools.

Force reinstall the python2.6 pagacke?

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From amit.pureenergy at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 07:54:24 2009
From: amit.pureenergy at gmail.com (Amit Sethi)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:24:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] python zlib problem
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e0910302333s26feeee4oc21f56d02c1fd584@mail.gmail.com>
References: <da81a0a80910302249x70cad6d1w35bbc266ab1d4b47@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910302333s26feeee4oc21f56d02c1fd584@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <da81a0a80910302354p89d8c15l7c2969d1bb09fa23@mail.gmail.com>

How do you force install a package ?? I have tries doing sudo apt-get
--force-yes install python and it has no effects..




-- 
A-M-I-T S|S

From lawgon at thenilgiris.com  Sat Oct 31 07:55:14 2009
From: lawgon at thenilgiris.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:25:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] python zlib problem
In-Reply-To: <da81a0a80910302354p89d8c15l7c2969d1bb09fa23@mail.gmail.com>
References: <da81a0a80910302249x70cad6d1w35bbc266ab1d4b47@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910302333s26feeee4oc21f56d02c1fd584@mail.gmail.com>
	<da81a0a80910302354p89d8c15l7c2969d1bb09fa23@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910311225.14943.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>

On Saturday 31 Oct 2009 12:24:24 pm Amit Sethi wrote:
> How do you force install a package ?? I have tries doing sudo apt-get
> --force-yes install python and it has no effects..
> 
uninstall and install again?
-- 
regards
kg
http://lawgon.livejournal.com

From amit.pureenergy at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 08:03:38 2009
From: amit.pureenergy at gmail.com (Amit Sethi)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:33:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] python zlib problem
In-Reply-To: <200910311225.14943.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>
References: <da81a0a80910302249x70cad6d1w35bbc266ab1d4b47@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910302333s26feeee4oc21f56d02c1fd584@mail.gmail.com>
	<da81a0a80910302354p89d8c15l7c2969d1bb09fa23@mail.gmail.com>
	<200910311225.14943.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>
Message-ID: <da81a0a80910310003n1f2a512w301ff507c3b67f97@mail.gmail.com>

That is a very dangerous option ... tried it but uninstalls a lot of
packages practically the whole ubuntu-desktop.

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
<lawgon at thenilgiris.com>wrote:

> On Saturday 31 Oct 2009 12:24:24 pm Amit Sethi wrote:
> > How do you force install a package ?? I have tries doing sudo apt-get
> > --force-yes install python and it has no effects..
> >
> uninstall and install again?
> --
> regards
> kg
> http://lawgon.livejournal.com
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From noufal at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 08:33:11 2009
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:03:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] python zlib problem
In-Reply-To: <da81a0a80910302354p89d8c15l7c2969d1bb09fa23@mail.gmail.com>
References: <da81a0a80910302249x70cad6d1w35bbc266ab1d4b47@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910302333s26feeee4oc21f56d02c1fd584@mail.gmail.com>
	<da81a0a80910302354p89d8c15l7c2969d1bb09fa23@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e0910310033h28222adfj6ddfaf087e24cb4f@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Amit Sethi <amit.pureenergy at gmail.com> wrote:
> How do you force install a package ?? I have tries doing sudo apt-get
> --force-yes install python and it has no effects..

Download the python2.6 (or whatever) package and install it with dpkg
--force-all. This is of course assuming that your understanding of the
missing package is correct. Are you sure it's Python that you need
reinstalled? Perhaps it's just libbz2-1.0 or something?


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 09:16:01 2009
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:46:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] About llvm and llvm-py
In-Reply-To: <49977f270910302329r45766921xbe124f5cfc3db5ef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49977f270910262349n1459d405lb738d7e076f53b86@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910270027w1b25f44fm7406a1f8fd3c37a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<49977f270910302329r45766921xbe124f5cfc3db5ef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6e38f9f00910310116v2ee46135lb01b44498faffc73@mail.gmail.com>

Sriram,

Can you send the right link for llvm-py

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Folks:
> >>
> >> LLVM just got released: http://lwn.net/Articles/358646/
> >>
> >> While reading up more about LLVM, I chanced upon llvm-py, and invited
> >> the author (Mahadevan R) to present on llvm-py at BangPyper meet.
> >
> > This is awesome. I'm extremely eager to get my fingers dirty with LLVM
> > since I think the unladen swallow project is one of the most promising
> > optimisation attempts for Python.
> >
>
> Yes. LLVM is interesting indeed. I'm especially impressed by their feature
> set.
>
> > When will the presentation be? I'd like it to be in November since we
> > had 2 this month already but that depends on Mahadevan's schedule.
> >
> >
>
> Mahadevan has replied and said that he's eager to showcase his work so far.
> I've sent to him a link to the bangpypers list, and have also asked
> him which of the upcoming weekends are convenient to him.
>
> > --
> > ~noufal
> > http://nibrahim.net.in
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> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
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>



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From steve at lonetwin.net  Sat Oct 31 09:20:53 2009
From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:50:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] python zlib problem
In-Reply-To: <da81a0a80910310003n1f2a512w301ff507c3b67f97@mail.gmail.com>
References: <da81a0a80910302249x70cad6d1w35bbc266ab1d4b47@mail.gmail.com>	<9963e56e0910302333s26feeee4oc21f56d02c1fd584@mail.gmail.com>	<da81a0a80910302354p89d8c15l7c2969d1bb09fa23@mail.gmail.com>	<200910311225.14943.lawgon@thenilgiris.com>
	<da81a0a80910310003n1f2a512w301ff507c3b67f97@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AEBF365.7030202@lonetwin.net>

Hi Amit,

Please don't top-post. I've copied your comment below ...

On 10/31/2009 12:33 PM, Amit Sethi wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves
> <lawgon at thenilgiris.com>wrote:
>
>>  On Saturday 31 Oct 2009 12:24:24 pm Amit Sethi wrote:
>>  >  How do you force install a package ?? I have tries doing sudo apt-get
>>  >  --force-yes install python and it has no effects..
>>  >
>>  uninstall and install again?
> That is a very dangerous option ... tried it but uninstalls a lot of
> packages practically the whole ubuntu-desktop.
>

You could just download the binary package, extract the module and place it in 
your PYTHON_HOME. On my system that is:

/usr/lib64/python2.6/lib-dynload/zlibmodule.so

I'm sorry I do not know how to do that for Ubuntu.

cheers,
- steve
-- 
random non tech spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/
tech randomness: http://lonehacks.blogspot.com/
what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 09:21:18 2009
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:51:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] About llvm and llvm-py
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f00910310116v2ee46135lb01b44498faffc73@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49977f270910262349n1459d405lb738d7e076f53b86@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e0910270027w1b25f44fm7406a1f8fd3c37a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<49977f270910302329r45766921xbe124f5cfc3db5ef@mail.gmail.com>
	<6e38f9f00910310116v2ee46135lb01b44498faffc73@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49977f270910310121r73367dbcsa174678dd95d1e62@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sriram,
>
> Can you send the right link for llvm-py

http://code.google.com/p/llvm-py/

-- Sriram