From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 1 08:07:24 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 11:37:24 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Vishal wrote: >> OK, saw your twitter posting and question to his twitter account. Some more >> info would be great though. >> >> This is the guy who explained the GIL to the majority of the python speaking >> world.[..] > > I was aware of his trip when I met him at PyCon in Feb. I believe > he'll be here for around a week. I've asked him if it would be > possible to join us for a user group meeting when he has some free > time. I'll keep the list posted.[..] I just spoke to David and he's quite interested in meeting the local Pythonistas and maybe even talking about some Python related concept/technology that's not so commonly discussed. The only problem is that he'll be here for a week (Monday to Friday) and won't have time during work hours so if we want to meet up, we'll have to make it an evening session. I'm not sure about the logistics. A restaurant is one option but that would preclude a proper tech. discussion. It would be nicer to have some space and to have food brought in. I haven't discussed the details with him but his trip is a month away so some kind of discussion on our part would not be out of place to decide how we can make the most of his time here without inconveniencing him in any way. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From vid at svaksha.com Thu Apr 1 08:28:35 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 11:58:35 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:37, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > I just spoke to David and he's quite interested in meeting the local > Pythonistas and maybe even talking about some Python related > concept/technology that's not so commonly discussed. > > The only problem is that he'll be here for a week (Monday to Friday) > and won't have time during work hours so if we want to meet up, we'll > have to make it an evening session. I'm not sure about the logistics. > A restaurant is one option but that would preclude a proper ?tech. > discussion. It would be nicer to have some space and to have food > brought in. -1 to restaurants (or any public space that is noisy and) not convenient for all present to listen to the speaker. Noufal if you have the approx dates, it would be easier to see if any office is willing to sponsor space. Food is not important (IMHO) and folks wishing to make dinner plans can hash that out impromptu. -- vid || http://svaksha.com From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 1 08:33:21 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 12:03:21 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:58 AM, ?????? wrote: [..] > -1 to restaurants (or any public space that is noisy and) not > convenient for all present to listen to the speaker. > Noufal if you have the approx dates, it would be easier to see if any > office is willing to sponsor space. First week of May. > Food is not important (IMHO) and > folks wishing to make dinner plans can hash that out impromptu. Can't have people starving but I see your point. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From abpillai at gmail.com Thu Apr 1 08:34:09 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 12:04:09 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:58 AM, ?????? wrote: > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:37, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > > > I just spoke to David and he's quite interested in meeting the local > > Pythonistas and maybe even talking about some Python related > > concept/technology that's not so commonly discussed. > > > > The only problem is that he'll be here for a week (Monday to Friday) > > and won't have time during work hours so if we want to meet up, we'll > > have to make it an evening session. I'm not sure about the logistics. > > A restaurant is one option but that would preclude a proper tech. > > discussion. It would be nicer to have some space and to have food > > brought in. > > All this is on the assumption that there is some crowd to be expected for this. Better plan this after a show of hands. >From me it is a -1. > > -- > vid || http://svaksha.com > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > Thanks, -- --Anand From vsapre80 at gmail.com Thu Apr 1 08:49:30 2010 From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 12:19:30 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As of now its a +1 for me. Just a suggestion: If we can have it at Thoughtworks and have pizza/coke delivered there, that should do it. Vishal On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpillai at gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:58 AM, ?????? wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 11:37, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > > > > > I just spoke to David and he's quite interested in meeting the local > > > Pythonistas and maybe even talking about some Python related > > > concept/technology that's not so commonly discussed. > > > > > > The only problem is that he'll be here for a week (Monday to Friday) > > > and won't have time during work hours so if we want to meet up, we'll > > > have to make it an evening session. I'm not sure about the logistics. > > > A restaurant is one option but that would preclude a proper tech. > > > discussion. It would be nicer to have some space and to have food > > > brought in. > > > > > All this is on the assumption that there is some crowd to be > expected for this. Better plan this after a show of hands. > > From me it is a -1. > > > > > > -- > > vid || http://svaksha.com > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > Thanks, > > -- > --Anand > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- Thanks and best regards, Vishal Sapre --- "So say...Day by day, in every way, I am getting better, better and better !!!" "A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else. Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it" "Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure? "May we do good and not evil. May we find forgiveness for ourself and forgive others. May we share freely, never taking more than we give." From anomit.ghosh at gmail.com Thu Apr 1 08:53:34 2010 From: anomit.ghosh at gmail.com (Anomit Ghosh) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 12:23:34 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe those who are in Bangalore can approach Directi for some space at their office for meeting up and having technical discussions with David. I believe they were quite helpful with providing office space for a small hackfest[1] a couple of months earlier. [1] http://manishtech.wordpress.com/2010/02/01/directi-hackfest-31st-january-2010/ -- Anomit Ghosh From vid at svaksha.com Thu Apr 1 08:57:06 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 12:27:06 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:04, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > All this is on the assumption that there is some crowd to be > expected for this. Better plan this after a show of hands. > > From me it is a -1. When Noufal wrote "talking about some Python related concept/technology" I'd assumed it would not be a formal lecture/talk with the mandatory "lets show numbers". Assuming its an informal meetup*, i'd still -1 to using restaurants/noisy public spaces. * call it monthly bangpyper meets if you like:) -- vid || http://svaksha.com From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 1 09:10:21 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 12:40:21 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, I'm a +1, Vishal is a +1. That's 2. Any more people? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From umar43 at gmail.com Thu Apr 1 09:15:04 2010 From: umar43 at gmail.com (Umar Shah) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 12:45:04 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, I'm relatively new to this group, I'll also be interesting in joining. regards, umar On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Well, I'm a +1, Vishal is a +1. That's 2. Any more people? > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From mbaiju at zeomega.com Thu Apr 1 09:16:53 2010 From: mbaiju at zeomega.com (Baiju M) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 12:46:53 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Well, I'm a +1, Vishal is a +1. That's 2. Any more people? This count if for hotel ? -- Baiju M From vsapre80 at gmail.com Thu Apr 1 09:19:21 2010 From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 12:49:21 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think a hotel/restaurant etc is almost out, because it would take a lot to got to a place that provides conference room like atmosphere easily in a restaurant. I was presuming a Thoughtworks like setting :) Vishal On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Baiju M wrote: > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > Well, I'm a +1, Vishal is a +1. That's 2. Any more people? > > This count if for hotel ? > > -- > Baiju M > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- Thanks and best regards, Vishal Sapre --- "So say...Day by day, in every way, I am getting better, better and better !!!" "A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else. Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it" "Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure? "May we do good and not evil. May we find forgiveness for ourself and forgive others. May we share freely, never taking more than we give." From vid at svaksha.com Thu Apr 1 09:27:04 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 12:57:04 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:46, Baiju M wrote: > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> Well, I'm a +1, Vishal is a +1. That's 2. Any more people? > > This count if for hotel ? I was wondering about that too :) +1 for attending. -- vid || http://svaksha.com From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 1 09:30:59 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 13:00:59 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Baiju M wrote: > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> Well, I'm a +1, Vishal is a +1. That's 2. Any more people? > > This count if for hotel ? It's a count for number of people interested in hearing him speak. A restaurant is a last resort. If the number of people generally interested is too low, we might make it just a dinner time conversation rather than a proper presentation. Keep in mind that it will be after office hours. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From ardsrk at gmail.com Thu Apr 1 10:28:21 2010 From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 13:58:21 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpillai at gmail.com> wrote: > Better plan this after a show of hands. > +1 from me. -- Arvind From mbaiju at zeomega.com Thu Apr 1 11:02:50 2010 From: mbaiju at zeomega.com (Baiju M) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 14:32:50 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +1 for meeting -- Baiju M From praveen.python.plone at gmail.com Thu Apr 1 11:11:51 2010 From: praveen.python.plone at gmail.com (Praveen Kumar) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 14:41:51 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: *+1 from me* 2010/4/1 Baiju M > +1 for meeting > > -- > Baiju M > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- Praveen Kumar +91 9620621342 http://praveensunsetpoint.wordpress.com Bangalore From admin.nitjece at gmail.com Thu Apr 1 12:14:07 2010 From: admin.nitjece at gmail.com (Diptanu Choudhury) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 15:44:07 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +1 for a user group meeting! On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Praveen Kumar < praveen.python.plone at gmail.com> wrote: > *+1 from me* > > 2010/4/1 Baiju M > > > +1 for meeting > > > > -- > > Baiju M > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > -- > Praveen Kumar > +91 9620621342 > http://praveensunsetpoint.wordpress.com > Bangalore > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- Thanks, Diptanu Choudhury Just a Coder, ThoughtWorks India Mobile - 09886760964 Web - www.linkedin.com/in/diptanu From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 1 13:09:26 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 16:39:26 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's roughly 7 people. I imagine over time, it'll be around 10-11. Any suggestions on where to have the talk? I could ask at the place where I am (and where he's coming to) if they can allow for a small meeting after regular office hours. Any other suggestions? Preferably close to MG road. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From ideamonk at gmail.com Thu Apr 1 23:43:48 2010 From: ideamonk at gmail.com (Abhishek Mishra) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 03:13:48 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +1 to talks, +1 to user group meets +1 to ThoughtWorks - it has got more space While Directi might be available anytime, I'm afraid we could accommodate only 10-12 people maximum. On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > That's roughly 7 people. I imagine over time, it'll be around 10-11. > > Any suggestions on where to have the talk? I could ask at the place > where I am (and where he's coming to) if they can allow for a small > meeting after regular office hours. Any other suggestions? 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From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 6 09:28:17 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 12:58:17 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Free weekend bootcamp on Python Message-ID: For all those in Chennai that are interested. http://www.chandrashekar.info/training/free-weekend-core-python-bootcamp.html The guy running it is an old buddy of mine and I'm quite sure it will be a good session. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From anuj_abhishek at yahoo.com Tue Apr 6 15:26:34 2010 From: anuj_abhishek at yahoo.com (anuj abhishek) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 06:26:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [BangPypers] Free weekend bootcamp on Python (Noufal Ibrahim) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49280.44564.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I am new to python and wud really be interested in such a boot-camp if it were to be organized in bangalore... Regards Anuj Abhishek ________________________________ From: "bangpypers-request at python.org" To: bangpypers at python.org Sent: Tue, April 6, 2010 3:30:03 PM Subject: BangPypers Digest, Vol 32, Issue 7 Send BangPypers mailing list submissions to ??? bangpypers at python.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? bangpypers-request at python.org You can reach the person managing the list at ??? bangpypers-owner at python.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BangPypers digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Free weekend bootcamp on Python (Noufal Ibrahim) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 12:58:17 +0530 From: Noufal Ibrahim To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India Subject: [BangPypers] Free weekend bootcamp on Python Message-ID: ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 For all those in Chennai that are interested. http://www.chandrashekar.info/training/free-weekend-core-python-bootcamp.html The guy running it is an old buddy of mine and I'm quite sure it will be a good session. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers End of BangPypers Digest, Vol 32, Issue 7 ***************************************** From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 6 23:05:38 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 02:35:38 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] PyCon India 2010 Message-ID: Hello everyone, The planning for PyCon India 2010 will be starting in a day or two. I'd encourage everyone who wants to be a part of the event to join the inpycon list at http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon and pitch in. If you thought that the last PyCon in Bangalore had scope for improvement, this is your chance to make your voice heard and to make the next one better. Thanks. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 13 07:13:27 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:43:27 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this/next weekend? Message-ID: Any plans/agenda? I'm not in a condition to participate in the sprint we talked about last time because I've been completely tied up with some other work. Any other ideas? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From ardsrk at gmail.com Tue Apr 13 08:04:39 2010 From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:34:39 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this/next weekend? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > I'm not in a condition to participate in the sprint we talked about > last time because I've been completely tied up with some other work. > Any other ideas? > If a sprint's not possible we could pull up the source of a random open source python project ( like pygments) and discuss on that on the spot. I think that would be fun. -- Arvind From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 13 08:07:37 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:37:37 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this/next weekend? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit wrote: > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> I'm not in a condition to participate in the sprint we talked about >> last time because I've been completely tied up with some other work. >> Any other ideas? >> > > If a sprint's not possible we could pull up the source of a random > open source python project ( like > pygments) and discuss > on that > on the spot. > > I think that would be fun.[..] What did you have in mind? I've generally felt that for code related discussions, a bit of homework makes the whole thing more interesting. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com Tue Apr 13 08:01:46 2010 From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:31:46 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this/next weekend? References: Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8331F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> I second that opinion. Like patterns used and variations of them and extendability of an app.. future prospects and counterparts .. and many more i can think of ... Thanks&Regards, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy, Mobile:9393099772, -----Original Message----- From: bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy=akebonosoft.com at python.org on behalf of Noufal Ibrahim Sent: Tue 4/13/2010 11:37 AM To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India Subject: Re: [BangPypers] User group meeting this/next weekend? On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit wrote: > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> I'm not in a condition to participate in the sprint we talked about >> last time because I've been completely tied up with some other work. >> Any other ideas? >> > > If a sprint's not possible we could pull up the source of a random > open source python project ( like > pygments) and discuss > on that > on the spot. > > I think that would be fun.[..] What did you have in mind? I've generally felt that for code related discussions, a bit of homework makes the whole thing more interesting. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in _______________________________________________ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 13 08:20:20 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:50:20 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this/next weekend? In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8331F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8331F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy wrote: > I second that opinion. > Like patterns used and variations of them and extendability of an app.. > future prospects and counterparts .. > and many more i can think of ...[..] Dates? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From Girish.Goudar at Goodrich.com Tue Apr 13 08:07:34 2010 From: Girish.Goudar at Goodrich.com (Goudar, Girish) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:07:34 +0800 Subject: [BangPypers] how to create dlls in python In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Can any one pls tell how to create dlls in python. Ex: I am having helpers.py. I want to create helpers.dll. I am using Python2.4 version. Thanks, Girish P.G From ardsrk at gmail.com Tue Apr 13 08:24:06 2010 From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:54:06 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this/next weekend? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > What did you have in mind? Like Srinivas says we can examine the code and critique on it. > I've generally felt that for code related > discussions, a bit of homework makes the whole thing more interesting. Yeah, that I agree. But since its Python the amount of effort required beforehand will be relatively little than if it were C or C++. -- Arvind From ardsrk at gmail.com Tue Apr 13 08:26:16 2010 From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:56:16 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this/next weekend? In-Reply-To: References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8331F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Dates? > 18th of this month at 15:00? -- Arvind From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 13 08:26:24 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:56:24 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] how to create dlls in python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Goudar, Girish wrote: > Can any one pls tell how to create dlls in python. Ex: I am having > helpers.py. I want to create helpers.dll. I am using Python2.4 version. DLLs? You want to compile your Python files into object code? I suppose you could use something like Cython to do it. Why do you want to do this? If you need to write a DLL from scratch, you'd be better off doing it in a lower level language. If you want to interface your Python code with an existing DLL, you can use the ctypes module. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 13 08:29:04 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:59:04 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this/next weekend? In-Reply-To: References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8331F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit wrote: > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> Dates? >> > > 18th of this month at 15:00?[..] Takers? It's fine by me. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From admin.nitjece at gmail.com Tue Apr 13 11:27:16 2010 From: admin.nitjece at gmail.com (Diptanu Choudhury) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:57:16 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this/next weekend? In-Reply-To: References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8331F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: I am ok with the date and time too. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit > wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Noufal Ibrahim > wrote: > > > >> Dates? > >> > > > > 18th of this month at 15:00?[..] > > Takers? It's fine by me. > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- Thanks, Diptanu Choudhury Just a Coder, ThoughtWorks India Mobile - 09886760964 Web - www.linkedin.com/in/diptanu From srp at ideadevice.com Tue Apr 13 11:33:09 2010 From: srp at ideadevice.com (Saju Pillai) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 15:03:09 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] how to create dlls in python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BC43A55.9030304@ideadevice.com> Goudar, Girish wrote: > Can any one pls tell how to create dlls in python. Ex: I am having > helpers.py. I want to create helpers.dll. I am using Python2.4 version. > You will have to embed python into a dll to do this. Write a simple wrapper in C or C++ or any language that has a compiler/linker that can generate dlls and support calling into python. mod_python is an example of a "dll" -srp -- www.ideadevice.com From azhaguselvan at gmx.com Wed Apr 14 04:58:06 2010 From: azhaguselvan at gmx.com (Azhagu selvan) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:28:06 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting service for all Message-ID: Hi, We are happy to announce CodersCombat, A project hosting service for both students and corporates. This project hosting service is based on a complete free software solution and priced at an affordable cost for all. We use Redmine and custom scripts in order to manage the hosting. We dedicate ourselves to provide world class service. We are a bunch of students who have come up with this solution in order to provide project hosting service for our fellow students in colleges of India. For more information please visit http://www.coderscombat.com/ Thank You. -- Azhagu Selvan From orsenthil at gmail.com Wed Apr 14 07:56:34 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:26:34 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting service for all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100414055634.GA2897@remy> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 08:28:06AM +0530, Azhagu selvan wrote: > We are a bunch of students who have come up with this solution in > order to provide project hosting service for our fellow students in > colleges of India. For more information please visit > http://www.coderscombat.com/ > First off, well done with your project. Secondly, would you like to elucidate what are positives of coderscombat which I may not get if I use code.google.com or github or sf.net or sarovar.org considering that those services are available for free. -- Senthil http://uthcode.sarovar.org From anand.shashwat at gmail.com Wed Apr 14 08:02:36 2010 From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:32:36 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting service for all In-Reply-To: <20100414055634.GA2897@remy> References: <20100414055634.GA2897@remy> Message-ID: why should someone using github or mercurial migrate to coderscombat ? On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 08:28:06AM +0530, Azhagu selvan wrote: > > > We are a bunch of students who have come up with this solution in > > order to provide project hosting service for our fellow students in > > colleges of India. For more information please visit > > http://www.coderscombat.com/ > > > > First off, well done with your project. > Secondly, would you like to elucidate what are positives of > coderscombat which I may not get if I use code.google.com or github or > sf.net or sarovar.org considering that those services are available > for free. > > -- > Senthil > > http://uthcode.sarovar.org > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From ardsrk at gmail.com Wed Apr 14 08:29:22 2010 From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:59:22 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting service for all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you want your service to get good adoption you better figure out how you are going to handle the chicken and egg problem. Paraphrasing a quote from Joel's article : "Nobody is going to host their projects on CodersComat until there are many developers, and developers are not going to be on CodersCombat until there are many projects." On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Azhagu selvan wrote: > Hi, > > We are happy to announce CodersCombat, A project hosting service for > both students and corporates. This project hosting service is based on > a complete free software solution and priced at an affordable cost for > all. We use Redmine and custom scripts in order to manage the hosting. > We dedicate ourselves to provide world class service. > > We are a bunch of students who have come up with this solution in > order to provide project hosting service for our fellow students in > colleges of India. For more information please visit > http://www.coderscombat.com/ > > Thank You. > > > -- Azhagu Selvan > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- Arvind From lawgon at au-kbc.org Wed Apr 14 08:47:07 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:17:07 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting service for all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004141217.07421.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Wednesday 14 Apr 2010 8:28:06 am Azhagu selvan wrote: > We are a bunch of students who have come up with this solution in > order to provide project hosting service for our fellow students in > colleges of India. For more information please visit > http://www.coderscombat.com/ > your business model is flawed. You need to offer the service free, get a large number of users and possibly charge for enhanced services - look at the bitbucket model. Also in the year 2010 you cannot run a paid service and expect people to fill in forms and send cheques/dd. Online payment and at a click setup is mandatory. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From abpillai at gmail.com Wed Apr 14 08:52:16 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:22:16 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting service for all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Azhagu selvan wrote: > Hi, > > We are happy to announce CodersCombat, A project hosting service for > both students and corporates. This project hosting service is based on > a complete free software solution and priced at an affordable cost for > all. We use Redmine and custom scripts in order to manage the hosting. > We dedicate ourselves to provide world class service. > > We are a bunch of students who have come up with this solution in > order to provide project hosting service for our fellow students in > colleges of India. For more information please visit > http://www.coderscombat.com/ > I have to take this with a bit of salt. Students coming up with paid project hosting service to other students ? Come on, can you explain how this is a help to the student community when there are excellent free project hosting options (google code, github, sf.net etc) for them ? Let us put this theory to test - please provide the name of your college and the list of colleges/student communities currently using your service. > > Thank You. > > > -- Azhagu Selvan > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- --Anand From azhaguselvan at gmx.com Wed Apr 14 08:53:32 2010 From: azhaguselvan at gmx.com (Azhagu selvan) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:23:32 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting service for all In-Reply-To: References: <20100414055634.GA2897@remy> Message-ID: Many small enterprises and college students who wants an efficient project tracking tool, doesn't want to make their source code and project info public - atleast till the project ends. In our service people can make their projects as *private* and I think almost all free project hosting providers require the project details and info to be made public. This we see as a key differentiator among the dozens of free hosting provider available out there. We will be adding a FAQ section soon which will have these queries answered. -- Azhagu Selvan On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Shashwat Anand wrote: > why should someone using github or mercurial migrate to coderscombat ? > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 08:28:06AM +0530, Azhagu selvan wrote: >> >> > We are a bunch of students who have come up with this solution in >> > order to provide project hosting service for our fellow students in >> > colleges of India. For more information please visit >> > http://www.coderscombat.com/ >> > >> >> First off, well done with your project. >> Secondly, would you like to elucidate what are positives of >> coderscombat which I may not get if I use code.google.com or github or >> sf.net or sarovar.org considering that those services are available >> for free. >> >> -- >> Senthil >> >> http://uthcode.sarovar.org >> _______________________________________________ >> BangPypers mailing list >> BangPypers at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From venkat83 at gmail.com Wed Apr 14 08:32:01 2010 From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:02:01 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Cheap hosting Message-ID: Hi, Am looking for some cheap site hosting solutions with reasonable performance. Any recos? -V- http://twitter.com/venkasub From abpillai at gmail.com Wed Apr 14 09:04:17 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:34:17 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Cheap hosting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Venkatraman S wrote: > Hi, > > Am looking for some cheap site hosting solutions with reasonable > performance. Any recos? > Are you talking of Python hosting ? If not, I wonder how it is relevant to the list. > -V- > http://twitter.com/venkasub > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- --Anand From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com Wed Apr 14 08:51:59 2010 From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:21:59 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting servicefor all References: <20100414055634.GA2897@remy> Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83329@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> I think in github you can make project *private*. Am i wrong? Thanks&Regards, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy, Mobile:9393099772, -----Original Message----- From: bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy=akebonosoft.com at python.org on behalf of Azhagu selvan Sent: Wed 4/14/2010 12:23 PM To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India Subject: Re: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting servicefor all Many small enterprises and college students who wants an efficient project tracking tool, doesn't want to make their source code and project info public - atleast till the project ends. In our service people can make their projects as *private* and I think almost all free project hosting providers require the project details and info to be made public. This we see as a key differentiator among the dozens of free hosting provider available out there. We will be adding a FAQ section soon which will have these queries answered. -- Azhagu Selvan On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Shashwat Anand wrote: > why should someone using github or mercurial migrate to coderscombat ? > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 08:28:06AM +0530, Azhagu selvan wrote: >> >> > We are a bunch of students who have come up with this solution in >> > order to provide project hosting service for our fellow students in >> > colleges of India. For more information please visit >> > http://www.coderscombat.com/ >> > >> >> First off, well done with your project. >> Secondly, would you like to elucidate what are positives of >> coderscombat which I may not get if I use code.google.com or github or >> sf.net or sarovar.org considering that those services are available >> for free. >> >> -- >> Senthil >> >> http://uthcode.sarovar.org >> _______________________________________________ >> BangPypers mailing list >> BangPypers at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > _______________________________________________ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers From orsenthil at gmail.com Wed Apr 14 09:05:37 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:35:37 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting service for all In-Reply-To: References: <20100414055634.GA2897@remy> Message-ID: <20100414070537.GA4392@remy> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:23:32PM +0530, Azhagu selvan wrote: > Many small enterprises and college students who wants an efficient > project tracking tool, doesn't want to make their source code and > project info public - atleast till the project ends. In our service > people can make their projects as *private* and I think almost all > free project hosting providers require the project details and info to > be made public. This we see as a key differentiator among the dozens > of free hosting provider available out there. > > We will be adding a FAQ section soon which will have these queries answered. Thanks for the explanation. Yes, this case is true and you have correct answer. -- Senthil From venkat83 at gmail.com Wed Apr 14 09:06:00 2010 From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:36:00 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Cheap hosting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpillai at gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Venkatraman S > wrote: > > > > Am looking for some cheap site hosting solutions with reasonable > > performance. Any recos? > > > > Are you talking of Python hosting ? If not, I wonder how it is > relevant to the list. > Oops! Very much. I have heard that webfaction provides good django/python support. Anything similar? From lawgon at au-kbc.org Wed Apr 14 09:03:18 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:33:18 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Cheap hosting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004141233.18823.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Wednesday 14 Apr 2010 12:02:01 pm Venkatraman S wrote: > Am looking for some cheap site hosting solutions with reasonable > performance. Any recos? > webfaction - is shared hosting, utterly reliable and gives an almost root access linode, slicehost, gandi are also utterly reliable and give you a vps with root access - and variable facilities like disk space, bandwidth and memory - buy as much as you need. This is assuming that you are following standard practices like version controlled code etc etc -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From abpillai at gmail.com Wed Apr 14 09:09:13 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:39:13 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting servicefor all In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83329@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> References: <20100414055634.GA2897@remy> <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83329@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy < srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote: > I think in github you can make project *private*. > Am i wrong? > Never tried github. Even if it can't I don't see why students would benefit from keeping their project private. Wouldn't being open and public help student projects ? The thinking that keeping your project private and "confidential" is a benefit is against the basic idea of OSS and fundamentally flawed, especially for students. > Thanks&Regards, > Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy, > Mobile:9393099772, > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy=akebonosoft.com at python.orgon behalf of Azhagu selvan > Sent: Wed 4/14/2010 12:23 PM > To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India > Subject: Re: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting > servicefor all > > Many small enterprises and college students who wants an efficient > project tracking tool, doesn't want to make their source code and > project info public - atleast till the project ends. In our service > people can make their projects as *private* and I think almost all > free project hosting providers require the project details and info to > be made public. This we see as a key differentiator among the dozens > of free hosting provider available out there. > > We will be adding a FAQ section soon which will have these queries > answered. > > -- Azhagu Selvan > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Shashwat Anand > wrote: > > why should someone using github or mercurial migrate to coderscombat ? > > > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Senthil Kumaran >wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 08:28:06AM +0530, Azhagu selvan wrote: > >> > >> > We are a bunch of students who have come up with this solution in > >> > order to provide project hosting service for our fellow students in > >> > colleges of India. For more information please visit > >> > http://www.coderscombat.com/ > >> > > >> > >> First off, well done with your project. > >> Secondly, would you like to elucidate what are positives of > >> coderscombat which I may not get if I use code.google.com or github or > >> sf.net or sarovar.org considering that those services are available > >> for free. > >> > >> -- > >> Senthil > >> > >> http://uthcode.sarovar.org > >> _______________________________________________ > >> BangPypers mailing list > >> BangPypers at python.org > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > -- --Anand From anand.shashwat at gmail.com Wed Apr 14 09:12:33 2010 From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:42:33 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting servicefor all In-Reply-To: References: <20100414055634.GA2897@remy> <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83329@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: If i have to keep my project private, is my computer not ok? Can't I keep it in my domain. Dropbox ? Are you providing code hosting or 'private code backup tool' On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpillai at gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy < > srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote: > > > I think in github you can make project *private*. > > Am i wrong? > > > > Never tried github. Even if it can't I don't see why students > would benefit from keeping their project private. Wouldn't > being open and public help student projects ? The thinking > that keeping your project private and "confidential" is a benefit > is against the basic idea of OSS and fundamentally flawed, > especially for students. > > > > > Thanks&Regards, > > Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy, > > Mobile:9393099772, > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy=akebonosoft.com at python.orgon > behalf of Azhagu selvan > > Sent: Wed 4/14/2010 12:23 PM > > To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India > > Subject: Re: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting > > servicefor all > > > > Many small enterprises and college students who wants an efficient > > project tracking tool, doesn't want to make their source code and > > project info public - atleast till the project ends. In our service > > people can make their projects as *private* and I think almost all > > free project hosting providers require the project details and info to > > be made public. This we see as a key differentiator among the dozens > > of free hosting provider available out there. > > > > We will be adding a FAQ section soon which will have these queries > > answered. > > > > -- Azhagu Selvan > > > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Shashwat Anand > > wrote: > > > why should someone using github or mercurial migrate to coderscombat ? > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Senthil Kumaran > >wrote: > > > > > >> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 08:28:06AM +0530, Azhagu selvan wrote: > > >> > > >> > We are a bunch of students who have come up with this solution in > > >> > order to provide project hosting service for our fellow students in > > >> > colleges of India. For more information please visit > > >> > http://www.coderscombat.com/ > > >> > > > >> > > >> First off, well done with your project. > > >> Secondly, would you like to elucidate what are positives of > > >> coderscombat which I may not get if I use code.google.com or github > or > > >> sf.net or sarovar.org considering that those services are available > > >> for free. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Senthil > > >> > > >> http://uthcode.sarovar.org > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> BangPypers mailing list > > >> BangPypers at python.org > > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > BangPypers mailing list > > > BangPypers at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > > -- > --Anand > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From jaganadhg at gmail.com Wed Apr 14 09:13:42 2010 From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:43:42 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting service for all In-Reply-To: References: <20100414055634.GA2897@remy> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Azhagu selvan wrote: > Many small enterprises and college students who wants an efficient > project tracking tool, doesn't want to make their source code and > project info public - atleast till the project ends. In our service > people can make their projects as *private* and I think almost all > free project hosting providers require the project details and info to > be made public. This facility is available in bibucket.org and github. I think we will get 150 MB space . Your service offers 50MB only for 600/RS > This we see as a key differentiator among the dozens > of free hosting provider available out there. > > We will be adding a FAQ section soon which will have these queries > answered. > > -- ********************************** JAGANADH G http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 14 09:14:24 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:44:24 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting service for all In-Reply-To: References: <20100414055634.GA2897@remy> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Azhagu selvan wrote: > Many small enterprises and college students who wants an efficient > project tracking tool, doesn't want to make their source code and > project info public - atleast till the project ends. In our service > people can make their projects as *private* and I think almost all > free project hosting providers require the project details and info to > be made public. I don't want to be construed as throwing a spanner into your works but I have a few comments about this. 0. If you're targeting free software projects, they *need* to be public in order to work fine. You just need some restrictions on commit etc. which most forges provide. 1. If you want to provide private repositories, your target audience is changing into the non-free software crowd and their concerns would be different. They'll be worried about putting their data on the net on a publicly accessible server no matter how secure it is. Their data requirements might be high and they'll have to pay large bandwidth costs to get/put data onto your machines. > This we see as a key differentiator among the dozens > of free hosting provider available out there. I know that github and think that bitbucket provide private repos. So, you're competing with them. Good luck though. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From abpillai at gmail.com Wed Apr 14 09:15:04 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:45:04 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting service for all In-Reply-To: References: <20100414055634.GA2897@remy> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Azhagu selvan wrote: > Many small enterprises and college students who wants an efficient > project tracking tool, doesn't want to make their source code and > project info public - atleast till the project ends. Enterprises yes, college students ? I doubt. In our service > people can make their projects as *private* and I think almost all > free project hosting providers require the project details and info to > be made public. This we see as a key differentiator among the dozens > of free hosting provider available out there. > > All power to you ... > We will be adding a FAQ section soon which will have these queries > answered. > Great. In hindsight, it might have been better to advertise with a FAQ available. > > -- > -- --Anand From ardsrk at gmail.com Wed Apr 14 09:19:11 2010 From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:49:11 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting service for all In-Reply-To: References: <20100414055634.GA2897@remy> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Azhagu selvan wrote: > Many small enterprises and college students who wants an efficient > project tracking tool, doesn't want to make their source code and > project info public - atleast till the project ends. In our service > people can make their projects as *private* and I think almost all > free project hosting providers require the project details and info to > be made public. This we see as a key differentiator among the dozens > of free hosting provider available out there. > > Students using your hosting service to share code privately is a just a convenience and not a killer feature that would spike the usage of your hosting service. It's like LinkedIn claiming that the choice to make all your professional information private as the number one feature. -- Arvind From lawgon at au-kbc.org Wed Apr 14 09:21:13 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:51:13 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting servicefor all In-Reply-To: References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83329@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: <201004141251.13916.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Wednesday 14 Apr 2010 12:39:13 pm Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > I think in github you can make project *private*. > > Am i wrong? > > Never tried github. Even if it can't I don't see why students > would benefit from keeping their project private. Wouldn't > being open and public help student projects ? The thinking > that keeping your project private and "confidential" is a benefit > is against the basic idea of OSS and fundamentally flawed, > especially for students. > if you want private all you need to do is set up a repo on the local LAN. For people outside the LAN it is no big deal to give them access through dial in or internet. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 14 09:37:11 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:07:11 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: [Inpycon] letterhead and seal In-Reply-To: <201004141259.19735.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004141259.19735.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: Forwarding to a wider audience. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Kenneth Gonsalves Date: Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:59 PM Subject: [Inpycon] letterhead and seal To: inpycon at python.org hi, for the bank account and for filing returns and dealing with officials we unfortunately require a letter head and a seal. So we need to print maybe a 100 letterheads and have two seals - one in Ooty and one in Bangalore. Since we are doing this - might has well do it well. So anyone with any design skills please design this - it is needed by tomorrow as today is a holiday and no work can be done. So whatever looks cool by the deadline will be chosen - otherwise I will make something plain. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From azhaguselvan at gmx.com Wed Apr 14 09:39:33 2010 From: azhaguselvan at gmx.com (Azhagu selvan) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:09:33 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting servicefor all In-Reply-To: References: <20100414055634.GA2897@remy> <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83329@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Shashwat Anand wrote: > If i have to keep my project private, is my computer not ok? Can't I keep it > in my domain. Dropbox ? Are you providing code hosting or 'private code > backup tool' This is just not to host your code! It's a online project collaboration tool where a group of people can work and organise their project, track and evaluate their performances. -- Azhagu Selvan From azhaguselvan at gmx.com Wed Apr 14 09:41:55 2010 From: azhaguselvan at gmx.com (Azhagu selvan) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:11:55 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting service for all In-Reply-To: <201004141217.07421.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004141217.07421.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > your business model is flawed. You need to offer the service free, get a large > number of users and possibly charge for enhanced services - look at the > bitbucket model. Also in the year 2010 you cannot run a paid service and > expect people to fill in forms and send cheques/dd. Online payment and at a > click setup is mandatory. We're working on automated project creations and other modes of payments. -- Azhagu Selvan From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com Wed Apr 14 10:16:40 2010 From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:46:40 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: [Inpycon] letterhead and seal References: <201004141259.19735.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8332A@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> How about using Pycon-2009(banglore) logo as a seal? or official logo entries sent for logo contest? or atleast making some changes to them and come up with instead of designing from scratch. Thanks&Regards, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy, Mobile:9393099772, -----Original Message----- From: bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy=akebonosoft.com at python.org on behalf of Noufal Ibrahim Sent: Wed 4/14/2010 1:07 PM To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: [Inpycon] letterhead and seal Forwarding to a wider audience. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Kenneth Gonsalves Date: Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:59 PM Subject: [Inpycon] letterhead and seal To: inpycon at python.org hi, for the bank account and for filing returns and dealing with officials we unfortunately require a letter head and a seal. So we need to print maybe a 100 letterheads and have two seals - one in Ooty and one in Bangalore. Since we are doing this - might has well do it well. So anyone with any design skills please design this - it is needed by tomorrow as today is a holiday and no work can be done. So whatever looks cool by the deadline will be chosen - otherwise I will make something plain. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in _______________________________________________ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers From vikas.bn at gmail.com Wed Apr 14 11:57:35 2010 From: vikas.bn at gmail.com (Vikas BN) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:27:35 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Cheap hosting In-Reply-To: <201004141233.18823.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004141233.18823.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Wednesday 14 Apr 2010 12:02:01 pm Venkatraman S wrote: > > Am looking for some cheap site hosting solutions with reasonable > > performance. Any recos? > > > > webfaction - is shared hosting, utterly reliable and gives an almost root > access > > Webfaction is pretty good. We had used for a project earlier and customer support is very fast and responsive. Also, @ $9.9 p.m., its probably the cheapest Python hosting provider around. -Vikas From b.ghose at gmail.com Wed Apr 14 12:38:12 2010 From: b.ghose at gmail.com (b.ghose at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 16:08:12 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting servicefor all In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83329@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> References: <20100414055634.GA2897@remy> <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83329@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: > I think in github you can make project *private*. > Am i wrong? Yes, on Github you can have private repositories when you are a paid member. Regards, BG -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com From lawgon at au-kbc.org Wed Apr 14 12:44:57 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 16:14:57 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting servicefor all In-Reply-To: References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83329@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: <201004141614.58161.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Wednesday 14 Apr 2010 4:08:12 pm b.ghose at gmail.com wrote: > > I think in github you can make project *private*. > > Am i wrong? > > Yes, on Github you can have private repositories when you are a paid > member. > same with bitbucket -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From jaganadhg at gmail.com Wed Apr 14 13:34:50 2010 From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:04:50 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting servicefor all In-Reply-To: <201004141614.58161.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83329@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> <201004141614.58161.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Wednesday 14 Apr 2010 4:08:12 pm b.ghose at gmail.com wrote: > > > I think in github you can make project *private*. > > > Am i wrong? > > > > Yes, on Github you can have private repositories when you are a paid > > member. > > > > same with bitbucket > In bitbucket we can have one private repo for a free user . I think if a student needs a private repo bitbucket will do the job. Why I have to spend RS600/- :-) -- ********************************** JAGANADH G http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog From abpillai at gmail.com Wed Apr 14 13:53:33 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:23:33 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting servicefor all In-Reply-To: References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83329@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> <201004141614.58161.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 5:04 PM, JAGANADH G wrote: > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves >wrote: > > > On Wednesday 14 Apr 2010 4:08:12 pm b.ghose at gmail.com wrote: > > > > I think in github you can make project *private*. > > > > Am i wrong? > > > > > > Yes, on Github you can have private repositories when you are a paid > > > member. > > > > > > > same with bitbucket > > > > In bitbucket we can have one private repo for a free user . I think if a > student needs a private repo bitbucket will do the job. Why I have to spend > RS600/- :-) > Maybe they give you a free IPL ticket with that... ? :) -- > ********************************** > JAGANADH G > http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- --Anand From azhaguselvan at gmx.com Wed Apr 14 14:14:18 2010 From: azhaguselvan at gmx.com (Azhagu selvan) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:44:18 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting servicefor all In-Reply-To: References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83329@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> <201004141614.58161.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 5:04 PM, JAGANADH G wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves > >wrote: >> >> > On Wednesday 14 Apr 2010 4:08:12 pm b.ghose at gmail.com wrote: >> > > > I think in github you can make project *private*. >> > > > Am i wrong? >> > > >> > > Yes, on Github you can have private repositories when you are a paid >> > > ?member. >> > > >> > >> > same with bitbucket >> > >> >> In bitbucket we can have one private repo for a free user . I think if a >> student needs a private repo bitbucket will do the job. Why I have to spend >> RS600/- :-) >> CodersCombat is not for hosting a *single* person's code somewhere on the web. It's meant to be a online collaboration platform for a team of devs. Rs.600 gives you a project and three user logins. So ours is dead cheap :) And remember those paid plans from all the other source code hosting providers are month based. But ours is you pay Rs.600/year. > ?Maybe they give you a free IPL ticket with that... ? :) May be in next season :D -- Azhagu Selvan From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Wed Apr 14 14:45:57 2010 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:15:57 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting servicefor all In-Reply-To: References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83329@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> <201004141614.58161.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 5:44 PM, Azhagu selvan wrote: > > CodersCombat is not for hosting a *single* person's code somewhere on the > web. > It's meant to be a online collaboration platform for a team of devs. > Rs.600 gives you > a project and three user logins. So ours is dead cheap :) > Clearly CodersCombat is an intriguing name to an online collaboration platform for devs. First of all I would suggest you do take a look at the name and see if it makes sense. At least in my perception - it is a platform where developers are likely to compete not collaborate. And you really really don't want to have a name which means something different than what the product offers. > And remember those paid plans from all the other source code hosting > providers are > month based. But ours is you pay Rs.600/year. > For paid plans - it is certainly cheaper than github and bitbucket paid plans. But there are many others. Take a look at http://www.assembla.com/plans. You don't have to respond to it online - but make a case at least to yourself why someone would pay you 600 Rs./Month instead of free private repositories on Assembla. And really as far as getting end users is concerned, the big hurdle is between Rs. 0.00 and Rs. 0.01. Once you are beyond that 600 vs. 6000 imo doesn't matter so much. Its good you are attempting to do something constructive and personally meaningful and enriching. Rather than be critical of the initiative I would support your enthusiasm. But really do make a good market study and create something that creates a compelling reason for people to use your products. I am not sure thats visible yet. > > Maybe they give you a free IPL ticket with that... ? :) > > May be in next season :D > Can I get it with a free account ? :D :D Dhananjay > > -- Azhagu Selvan > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene From umar43 at gmail.com Wed Apr 14 14:59:33 2010 From: umar43 at gmail.com (Umar Shah) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:29:33 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting servicefor all In-Reply-To: References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83329@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> <201004141614.58161.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: many others, http://www.projectlocker.com is another one that starts of with free plan for 5 users and 500 MB plan with unlimited projects http://codesion.com/ also gives out a free account , I use both their paid as well as free service for different projects On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 5:44 PM, Azhagu selvan > wrote: > > > > > CodersCombat is not for hosting a *single* person's code somewhere on the > > web. > > It's meant to be a online collaboration platform for a team of devs. > > Rs.600 gives you > > a project and three user logins. So ours is dead cheap :) > > > > Clearly CodersCombat is an intriguing name to an online collaboration > platform for devs. > > First of all I would suggest you do take a look at the name and see if it > makes sense. At least in my perception - it is a platform where developers > are likely to compete not collaborate. And you really really don't want to > have a name which means something different than what the product offers. > > > > And remember those paid plans from all the other source code hosting > > providers are > > month based. But ours is you pay Rs.600/year. > > > > For paid plans - it is certainly cheaper than github and bitbucket paid > plans. But there are many others. Take a look at > http://www.assembla.com/plans. You don't have to respond to it online - > but > make a case at least to yourself why someone would pay you 600 Rs./Month > instead of free private repositories on Assembla. And really as far as > getting end users is concerned, the big hurdle is between Rs. 0.00 and Rs. > 0.01. Once you are beyond that 600 vs. 6000 imo doesn't matter so much. > > Its good you are attempting to do something constructive and personally > meaningful and enriching. Rather than be critical of the initiative I would > support your enthusiasm. But really do make a good market study and create > something that creates a compelling reason for people to use your products. > I am not sure thats visible yet. > > > > > Maybe they give you a free IPL ticket with that... ? :) > > > > May be in next season :D > > > > Can I get it with a free account ? :D :D > > Dhananjay > > > > > -- Azhagu Selvan > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------- > blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com > twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From azhaguselvan at gmx.com Wed Apr 14 15:15:52 2010 From: azhaguselvan at gmx.com (Azhagu selvan) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:45:52 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting servicefor all In-Reply-To: References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83329@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> <201004141614.58161.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > For paid plans - it is certainly cheaper than github and bitbucket paid > plans. But there are many others. Take a look at > http://www.assembla.com/plans. You don't have to respond to it online - but > make a case at least to yourself why someone would pay you 600 Rs./Month > instead of free private repositories on Assembla. And really as far as > getting end users is concerned, the big hurdle is between Rs. 0.00 and Rs. > 0.01. Once you are beyond that 600 vs. 6000 imo doesn't matter so much. I agree. But assembla provides you only private *repositories* for free. All other collaboration tools cost you money! For us there is no such extra costs for each and every feature you use in there. There are some other services quoted in other mail, who offer free service with all those collaboration tools. Yes, indeed we are based on redmine, a free community developed software, with RoR's speed and robustness advantages. So your data is going to be *very* safe with us. It has almost all tools needed for a online collaboration platform packed into it's single codebase. Again, the rate is not Rs.600/ month, it's Rs.600/year. -- Azhagu Selvan From abpillai at gmail.com Wed Apr 14 15:17:59 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:47:59 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting servicefor all In-Reply-To: References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83329@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> <201004141614.58161.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Azhagu selvan wrote: > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Dhananjay Nene > wrote: > > > For paid plans - it is certainly cheaper than github and bitbucket paid > > plans. But there are many others. Take a look at > > http://www.assembla.com/plans. You don't have to respond to it online - > but > > make a case at least to yourself why someone would pay you 600 Rs./Month > > instead of free private repositories on Assembla. And really as far as > > getting end users is concerned, the big hurdle is between Rs. 0.00 and > Rs. > > 0.01. Once you are beyond that 600 vs. 6000 imo doesn't matter so much. > > I agree. But assembla provides you only private *repositories* for > free. All other collaboration tools cost you money! For us there is no > such extra costs for each and every feature you use in there. > > There are some other services quoted in other mail, who offer free > service with all those collaboration tools. Yes, indeed we are based > on redmine, a free community developed software, with RoR's speed and > robustness advantages. So your data is going to be *very* safe with > us. It has almost all tools needed for a online collaboration platform > packed into it's single codebase. > > Again, the rate is not Rs.600/ month, it's Rs.600/year. > All the best for your project. Since this is not exactly on-topic, please take further discussions off the list. > > > -- Azhagu Selvan > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > Thanks, -- --Anand From azhaguselvan at gmx.com Wed Apr 14 15:17:50 2010 From: azhaguselvan at gmx.com (Azhagu selvan) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:47:50 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting servicefor all In-Reply-To: References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83329@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> <201004141614.58161.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > > Its good you are attempting to do something constructive and personally > meaningful and enriching. Rather than be critical of the initiative I would > support your enthusiasm. But really do make a good market study and create > something that creates a compelling reason for people to use your products. > I am not sure thats visible yet. > > Thanks for your valuable suggestions :) -- Azhagu Selvan From kausikram at gmail.com Wed Apr 14 16:58:02 2010 From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 20:28:02 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting servicefor all In-Reply-To: References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83329@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> <201004141614.58161.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: > > All the best for your project. Since this is not exactly on-topic, > please take further discussions off the list. +1 -- Kausikram Krishnasayee Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 From yuvipanda at gmail.com Wed Apr 14 19:55:46 2010 From: yuvipanda at gmail.com (Yuvi Panda) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 23:25:46 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] date range In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0CD4B341@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> References: <1c4dc2781002090837ie5794cayc73c8048e12b8c3e@mail.gmail.com> <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D2DDFB@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> <868d32d21002241943s474f2cfdkcc11e9af602f8eb3@mail.gmail.com> <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0CD4B341@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: VB10 doesn't. Atleast not by default - they have keywords called AndAlso and OrElse for short circuiting Logical operators. On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy wrote: >>>This is because AND operator short-circuits. So when 1 < foo() is false, it >>>terminates then and there. > > is there any language which doesn't short circuit and,or,(|| ,&&)? > just curious .I never heard of any. > > Thanks&Regards, > Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy, > Mobile:9393099772, > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 15 18:12:41 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 21:42:41 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon APAC registrations open Message-ID: Hello everyone, For all of you who have time in June, the PyCon APAC registrations are open at http://pycon.sit.rp.sg/registrations The early bird rates end by the end of the month. Thanks. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From picachu.nioto at gmail.com Thu Apr 15 19:06:34 2010 From: picachu.nioto at gmail.com (Picachu Nioto) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:36:34 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Enclosing lexical context Message-ID: Could some one explain to me this sentence, I read in an example online "Python doesn't implement assignment of variables bound in an enclosing lexical context" Example, a=[b] --Picachu From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 15 19:39:29 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:09:29 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Enclosing lexical context In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Picachu Nioto wrote: > Could some one explain to me this sentence, I read in an example online > > "Python doesn't implement assignment of variables bound in an enclosing > lexical context" > > Example, > a=[b] I'm not sure where you got this sentence means but Python's scoping is lexical but has 2 namespaces accessible from the current point of execution (locals and globals) which are arguably dynamic. Here's an example to show lexical scoping. http://pastebin.com/k2S5pvjZ You can see that it prints 1 which is the value of the free identifier foo lexically at the point of the print. As a counter example, here's an example in Emacs lisp which parallels the above but since it's dynamically scoped, the value printed is 2. http://pastebin.com/KX0JwC0u -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From picachu.nioto at gmail.com Thu Apr 15 19:46:18 2010 From: picachu.nioto at gmail.com (Picachu Nioto) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:16:18 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Enclosing lexical context In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the prompt response Noufal! Could you explain, in what context is it mentioned here? http://pastebin.com/zLnL7yy8 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Picachu Nioto > wrote: > > Could some one explain to me this sentence, I read in an example online > > > > "Python doesn't implement assignment of variables bound in an enclosing > > lexical context" > > > > Example, > > a=[b] > > I'm not sure where you got this sentence means but Python's scoping is > lexical but has 2 namespaces accessible from the current point of > execution (locals and globals) which are arguably dynamic. Here's an > example to show lexical scoping. > > http://pastebin.com/k2S5pvjZ > > You can see that it prints 1 which is the value of the free identifier > foo lexically at the point of the print. > > As a counter example, here's an example in Emacs lisp which parallels > the above but since it's dynamically scoped, the value printed is 2. > http://pastebin.com/KX0JwC0u > > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From abpillai at gmail.com Thu Apr 15 19:49:08 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:19:08 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Enclosing lexical context In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Picachu Nioto wrote: > Could some one explain to me this sentence, I read in an example online > > "Python doesn't implement assignment of variables bound in an enclosing > lexical context" > >>> a=[10] >>> def f(x): ... a[0]=x ... print a ... >>> f(2) [2] >>> print a [2] In this case, the outer a is accessed automatically since we are using indices and there is no local list "a", Python finds the scope from the global scope and assigns correctly. > Example, > a=[b] > > Looking at your code above, perhaps the 2nd explanation makes it clear. > --Picachu > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- --Anand From abpillai at gmail.com Thu Apr 15 19:54:05 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:24:05 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Enclosing lexical context In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My reply got deleted partly before I sent it. Here is the full one. It is not clear from your email what context means but mostly it is the fact that Python differentiates between local and global scope when variables are assigned. For example, >>> a=10 >>> def f(x): ... a=x ... print a ... >>> f(20) 20 >>> print a 10 The global "a" is still unmodified since the f() function changes only its local a. To "fix" this we need to prefix the local a with "global". >>> def f(x): ... global a ... a=x ... print a ... >>> f(20) 20 >>> print a 20 However, this can also be done using a container as below. >>> a=[10] >>> def f(x): ... a[0]=x ... print a ... >>> f(2) [2] >>> print a [2] In this case, the outer a is accessed automatically since we are using indices and there is no local list "a", Python finds the scope from the global scope and assigns correctly. Looking at your code above, perhaps the 2nd explanation makes it clearer and seems closer to what you are expecting as answer. --Anand On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpillai at gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Picachu Nioto wrote: > >> Could some one explain to me this sentence, I read in an example online >> >> "Python doesn't implement assignment of variables bound in an enclosing >> lexical context" >> > >>> a=[10] > >>> def f(x): > ... a[0]=x > ... print a > ... > >>> f(2) > [2] > >>> print a > [2] > > In this case, the outer a is accessed automatically since we are using > indices and there is no local list "a", Python finds the scope from > the global scope and assigns correctly. > > >> Example, >> a=[b] >> >> > Looking at your code above, perhaps the 2nd explanation > makes it clear. > > >> --Picachu >> _______________________________________________ >> BangPypers mailing list >> BangPypers at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> > > > > -- > --Anand > > > > -- --Anand From anandology at gmail.com Thu Apr 15 20:03:04 2010 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:33:04 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Enclosing lexical context In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2010/4/15 Picachu Nioto : > Could some one explain to me this sentence, I read in an example online > > "Python doesn't implement assignment of variables bound in an enclosing > lexical context" > > Example, > a=[b] Consider the following example: a = 1 def f(): b = 2 def g(): c = 3 # this function can access all a, b and c variables. print a, b, c # c can be reassigned c = 42 # a can be reassigned only if it is declared as global, otherwise it is considered as local to this function global a a = 42 # b can't be reassigned because it is neither local nor global. It is in the enclosing lexical context SInce b can't be reassigned, the work-around is to modify the object instead of reassigning. However, python3.0 added a new "nonlocal" construct to enable that. With python 3, you should be able to say: nonlocal b b = 42 Anand From rmathews at gmail.com Fri Apr 16 04:22:29 2010 From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 07:52:29 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Enclosing lexical context In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 23:33, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > However, python3.0 added a new "nonlocal" construct to enable that. > With python 3, you should be able to say: So there are globals, locals, and nonlocals. :) From adityendra.rawat08 at gmail.com Fri Apr 16 13:13:55 2010 From: adityendra.rawat08 at gmail.com (Adityendra Rawat) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 07:13:55 -0400 Subject: [BangPypers] Coaching institute in Bangalore. Message-ID: Hi, Can some one tell me about some good coaching centers for Python around Kormangala or Indiranagar area. Thanks' From kunal.t2 at gmail.com Fri Apr 16 13:35:28 2010 From: kunal.t2 at gmail.com (kunal ghosh) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:05:28 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Coaching institute in Bangalore. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hi Adityendra, IMHO i don't think anybody willing to learn python would need to go to a coaching center. Also, the fun of learning a new language is messed up if you attend coaching classes. regards On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Adityendra Rawat < adityendra.rawat08 at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Can some one tell me about some good coaching centers for Python around > Kormangala or Indiranagar area. > > Thanks' > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- regards ------- Kunal Ghosh Dept of Computer Sc. & Engineering. Sir MVIT Bangalore,India Quote: "Ignorance is not a sin, the persistence of ignorance is" -- "If you find a task difficult today, you'll find it difficult 10yrs later too !" ----- "Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail" Blog:kunalghosh.wordpress.com Website:www.kunalghosh.net46.net V-card:http://tinyurl.com/86qjyk From eknath.iyer at gmail.com Fri Apr 16 13:41:04 2010 From: eknath.iyer at gmail.com (Eknath Venkataramani) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:11:04 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Coaching institute in Bangalore. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: kunal ++ On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 5:05 PM, kunal ghosh wrote: > hi Adityendra, > IMHO i don't think anybody willing to learn python would need to go to a > coaching center. > Also, the fun of learning a new language is messed up if you attend > coaching > classes. > > regards > > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Adityendra Rawat < > adityendra.rawat08 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Can some one tell me about some good coaching centers for Python around > > Kormangala or Indiranagar area. > > > > Thanks' > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > -- > regards > ------- > Kunal Ghosh > Dept of Computer Sc. & Engineering. > Sir MVIT > Bangalore,India > > Quote: > "Ignorance is not a sin, the persistence of ignorance is" > -- > "If you find a task difficult today, you'll find it difficult 10yrs later > too !" > ----- > "Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail" > > Blog:kunalghosh.wordpress.com > Website:www.kunalghosh.net46.net > V-card:http://tinyurl.com/86qjyk > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- Eknath Venkataramani +91-9844952442 From rmathews at gmail.com Fri Apr 16 13:43:35 2010 From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:13:35 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Coaching institute in Bangalore. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 16:43, Adityendra Rawat wrote: > Can some one tell me about some good coaching centers for Python around > Kormangala or Indiranagar area. > Download Python here: http://www.python.org/download/ Go through this over the weekend: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/ If you run into trouble, ask here. If you don't, work through: http://diveintopython.org/ Coaching centers are hit and miss affairs, you might find a good one, but most likely you won't. Roshan Mathews From umar43 at gmail.com Fri Apr 16 13:48:08 2010 From: umar43 at gmail.com (Umar Shah) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:18:08 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Coaching institute in Bangalore. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: have you done programming in any language before? I am asking this question because generally after having learnt any one language a good starting tutorial (like mentioned in the previous mail) is all that you need to get started. On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Roshan Mathews wrote: > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 16:43, Adityendra Rawat > wrote: > > Can some one tell me about some good coaching centers for Python around > > Kormangala or Indiranagar area. > > > > Download Python here: http://www.python.org/download/ > Go through this over the weekend: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/ > If you run into trouble, ask here. > If you don't, work through: http://diveintopython.org/ > > Coaching centers are hit and miss affairs, you might find a good one, > but most likely you won't. > > Roshan Mathews > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From kunal.t2 at gmail.com Fri Apr 16 14:00:14 2010 From: kunal.t2 at gmail.com (kunal ghosh) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:30:14 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Coaching institute in Bangalore. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And the problem of getting stuck while you are learning python can be alleviated , by our very prompt community. (Proved by number of replies to your post in a short duration of time :) ) On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Umar Shah wrote: > have you done programming in any language before? I am asking this question > because generally after having learnt any one language a good starting > tutorial (like mentioned in the previous mail) is all that you need to get > started. > > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Roshan Mathews > wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 16:43, Adityendra Rawat > > wrote: > > > Can some one tell me about some good coaching centers for Python around > > > Kormangala or Indiranagar area. > > > > > > > Download Python here: http://www.python.org/download/ > > Go through this over the weekend: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/ > > If you run into trouble, ask here. > > If you don't, work through: http://diveintopython.org/ > > > > Coaching centers are hit and miss affairs, you might find a good one, > > but most likely you won't. > > > > Roshan Mathews > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- regards ------- Kunal Ghosh Dept of Computer Sc. & Engineering. Sir MVIT Bangalore,India Quote: "Ignorance is not a sin, the persistence of ignorance is" -- "If you find a task difficult today, you'll find it difficult 10yrs later too !" ----- "Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail" Blog:kunalghosh.wordpress.com Website:www.kunalghosh.net46.net V-card:http://tinyurl.com/86qjyk From ramdaz at gmail.com Fri Apr 16 14:00:24 2010 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:30:24 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Coaching institute in Bangalore. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Umar Shah wrote: > have you done programming in any language before? I am asking this question > because generally after having learnt any one language a good starting > tutorial (like mentioned in the previous mail) is all that you need to get > started. > > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Roshan Mathews > wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 16:43, Adityendra Rawat > > wrote: > > > Can some one tell me about some good coaching centers for Python around > > > Kormangala or Indiranagar area. > > > > > > > Download Python here: http://www.python.org/download/ > > Go through this over the weekend: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/ > > If you run into trouble, ask here. > > If you don't, work through: http://diveintopython.org/ > > > > Coaching centers are hit and miss affairs, you might find a good one, > > but most likely you won't. > > > > Roshan Mathews > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > To my best of knowledge there are no coaching centers. But I dont mind investing in one, if there's enough scope.... -- Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065 From vid at svaksha.com Fri Apr 16 14:22:26 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:52:26 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Coaching institute in Bangalore. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 16:43, Adityendra Rawat wrote: > Hi, > > Can some one tell me about some good coaching centers for Python around > Kormangala or Indiranagar area. Hi, I dont know any coaching institutes. However I like the concept of dojorio.org [0] and if there are enough folks interested in Bangalore this is an interesting experiment. Their 'about' page states : Who we are passionate programmers get together to work on a programming challenge random. Rather than trying to solve the problem no matter what, we take small steps towards the solution and try to focus on software development best practices. Rather than Trying to solve the problem in the matter what, we take small steps Towards the solution and try to focus on software development best practices. Sharing and learning tips and tricks that may improve our daily activities is the real goal behind our meetings. Sharing and learning tips and tricks That May Improve Our Daily Activities is the real goal behind Our meetings. All skill levels are welcome and our environment is totally collaborative. All skill levels are welcome and Our environment is totally collaborative. There is no competition. There is no competition. We have two sessions per week. We Have two sessions per week. Every wednesday at 6:30 pm in Rio Downtown, and every thursday at 6:30 pm in Niter?i. Every wednesday at 6:30 pm in Downtown Rio, and Every thursday at 6:30 pm in Niteroi. [0] http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://dojorio.wordpress.com/&ei=z7GyS7OtCIvYsgOAvqTMBA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBQQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddojorio%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Dv Thoughts? -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com From mannepallesrikanth at gmail.com Fri Apr 16 15:08:00 2010 From: mannepallesrikanth at gmail.com (srikanth mannepalle) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:38:00 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] BangPypers Digest, Vol 32, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All, Please use this link for knowing more about python. http://code.google.com/edu/languages/google-python-class/ On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 5:30 PM, wrote: > Send BangPypers mailing list submissions to > bangpypers at python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > bangpypers-request at python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > bangpypers-owner at python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of BangPypers digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Coaching institute in Bangalore. (Adityendra Rawat) > 2. Re: Coaching institute in Bangalore. (kunal ghosh) > 3. Re: Coaching institute in Bangalore. (Eknath Venkataramani) > 4. Re: Coaching institute in Bangalore. (Roshan Mathews) > 5. Re: Coaching institute in Bangalore. (Umar Shah) > 6. Re: Coaching institute in Bangalore. (kunal ghosh) > 7. Re: Coaching institute in Bangalore. (Ramdas S) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 07:13:55 -0400 > From: Adityendra Rawat > To: BangPypers at python.org > Subject: [BangPypers] Coaching institute in Bangalore. > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi, > > Can some one tell me about some good coaching centers for Python around > Kormangala or Indiranagar area. > > Thanks' > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:05:28 +0530 > From: kunal ghosh > To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India > Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Coaching institute in Bangalore. > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > hi Adityendra, > IMHO i don't think anybody willing to learn python would need to go to a > coaching center. > Also, the fun of learning a new language is messed up if you attend > coaching > classes. > > regards > > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Adityendra Rawat < > adityendra.rawat08 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Can some one tell me about some good coaching centers for Python around > > Kormangala or Indiranagar area. > > > > Thanks' > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > -- > regards > ------- > Kunal Ghosh > Dept of Computer Sc. & Engineering. > Sir MVIT > Bangalore,India > > Quote: > "Ignorance is not a sin, the persistence of ignorance is" > -- > "If you find a task difficult today, you'll find it difficult 10yrs later > too !" > ----- > "Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail" > > Blog:kunalghosh.wordpress.com > Website:www.kunalghosh.net46.net > V-card:http://tinyurl.com/86qjyk > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:11:04 +0530 > From: Eknath Venkataramani > To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India > Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Coaching institute in Bangalore. > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > kunal ++ > > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 5:05 PM, kunal ghosh wrote: > > > hi Adityendra, > > IMHO i don't think anybody willing to learn python would need to go to a > > coaching center. > > Also, the fun of learning a new language is messed up if you attend > > coaching > > classes. > > > > regards > > > > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Adityendra Rawat < > > adityendra.rawat08 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Can some one tell me about some good coaching centers for Python around > > > Kormangala or Indiranagar area. > > > > > > Thanks' > > > _______________________________________________ > > > BangPypers mailing list > > > BangPypers at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > regards > > ------- > > Kunal Ghosh > > Dept of Computer Sc. & Engineering. > > Sir MVIT > > Bangalore,India > > > > Quote: > > "Ignorance is not a sin, the persistence of ignorance is" > > -- > > "If you find a task difficult today, you'll find it difficult 10yrs later > > too !" > > ----- > > "Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail" > > > > Blog:kunalghosh.wordpress.com > > Website:www.kunalghosh.net46.net > > V-card:http://tinyurl.com/86qjyk > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > -- > Eknath Venkataramani > +91-9844952442 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:13:35 +0530 > From: Roshan Mathews > To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India > Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Coaching institute in Bangalore. > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 16:43, Adityendra Rawat > wrote: > > Can some one tell me about some good coaching centers for Python around > > Kormangala or Indiranagar area. > > > > Download Python here: http://www.python.org/download/ > Go through this over the weekend: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/ > If you run into trouble, ask here. > If you don't, work through: http://diveintopython.org/ > > Coaching centers are hit and miss affairs, you might find a good one, > but most likely you won't. > > Roshan Mathews > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:18:08 +0530 > From: Umar Shah > To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India > Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Coaching institute in Bangalore. > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > have you done programming in any language before? I am asking this question > because generally after having learnt any one language a good starting > tutorial (like mentioned in the previous mail) is all that you need to get > started. > > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Roshan Mathews > wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 16:43, Adityendra Rawat > > wrote: > > > Can some one tell me about some good coaching centers for Python around > > > Kormangala or Indiranagar area. > > > > > > > Download Python here: http://www.python.org/download/ > > Go through this over the weekend: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/ > > If you run into trouble, ask here. > > If you don't, work through: http://diveintopython.org/ > > > > Coaching centers are hit and miss affairs, you might find a good one, > > but most likely you won't. > > > > Roshan Mathews > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:30:14 +0530 > From: kunal ghosh > To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India > Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Coaching institute in Bangalore. > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > And the problem of getting stuck while you are learning python can be > alleviated , by our very > prompt community. (Proved by number of replies to your post in a short > duration of time :) ) > > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Umar Shah wrote: > > > have you done programming in any language before? I am asking this > question > > because generally after having learnt any one language a good starting > > tutorial (like mentioned in the previous mail) is all that you need to > get > > started. > > > > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Roshan Mathews > > wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 16:43, Adityendra Rawat > > > wrote: > > > > Can some one tell me about some good coaching centers for Python > around > > > > Kormangala or Indiranagar area. > > > > > > > > > > Download Python here: http://www.python.org/download/ > > > Go through this over the weekend: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/ > > > If you run into trouble, ask here. > > > If you don't, work through: http://diveintopython.org/ > > > > > > Coaching centers are hit and miss affairs, you might find a good one, > > > but most likely you won't. > > > > > > Roshan Mathews > > > _______________________________________________ > > > BangPypers mailing list > > > BangPypers at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > -- > regards > ------- > Kunal Ghosh > Dept of Computer Sc. & Engineering. > Sir MVIT > Bangalore,India > > Quote: > "Ignorance is not a sin, the persistence of ignorance is" > -- > "If you find a task difficult today, you'll find it difficult 10yrs later > too !" > ----- > "Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail" > > Blog:kunalghosh.wordpress.com > Website:www.kunalghosh.net46.net > V-card:http://tinyurl.com/86qjyk > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:30:24 +0530 > From: Ramdas S > To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India > Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Coaching institute in Bangalore. > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Umar Shah wrote: > > > have you done programming in any language before? I am asking this > question > > because generally after having learnt any one language a good starting > > tutorial (like mentioned in the previous mail) is all that you need to > get > > started. > > > > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Roshan Mathews > > wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 16:43, Adityendra Rawat > > > wrote: > > > > Can some one tell me about some good coaching centers for Python > around > > > > Kormangala or Indiranagar area. > > > > > > > > > > Download Python here: http://www.python.org/download/ > > > Go through this over the weekend: http://docs.python.org/tutorial/ > > > If you run into trouble, ask here. > > > If you don't, work through: http://diveintopython.org/ > > > > > > Coaching centers are hit and miss affairs, you might find a good one, > > > but most likely you won't. > > > > > > Roshan Mathews > > > _______________________________________________ > > > BangPypers mailing list > > > BangPypers at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > To my best of knowledge there are no coaching centers. But I dont mind > investing in one, if there's enough scope.... > > -- > Ramdas S > +91 9342 583 065 > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > End of BangPypers Digest, Vol 32, Issue 19 > ****************************************** > From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com Fri Apr 16 14:55:23 2010 From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:25:23 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Coaching institute in Bangalore. References: Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8332F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> You would have started a separate thread for it..:( Thanks&Regards, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy, Mobile:9393099772, -----Original Message----- From: bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy=akebonosoft.com at python.org on behalf of ?????? Sent: Fri 4/16/2010 5:52 PM To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Coaching institute in Bangalore. On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 16:43, Adityendra Rawat wrote: > Hi, > > Can some one tell me about some good coaching centers for Python around > Kormangala or Indiranagar area. Hi, I dont know any coaching institutes. However I like the concept of dojorio.org [0] and if there are enough folks interested in Bangalore this is an interesting experiment. Their 'about' page states : Who we are passionate programmers get together to work on a programming challenge random. Rather than trying to solve the problem no matter what, we take small steps towards the solution and try to focus on software development best practices. Rather than Trying to solve the problem in the matter what, we take small steps Towards the solution and try to focus on software development best practices. Sharing and learning tips and tricks that may improve our daily activities is the real goal behind our meetings. Sharing and learning tips and tricks That May Improve Our Daily Activities is the real goal behind Our meetings. All skill levels are welcome and our environment is totally collaborative. All skill levels are welcome and Our environment is totally collaborative. There is no competition. There is no competition. We have two sessions per week. We Have two sessions per week. Every wednesday at 6:30 pm in Rio Downtown, and every thursday at 6:30 pm in Niter?i. Every wednesday at 6:30 pm in Downtown Rio, and Every thursday at 6:30 pm in Niteroi. [0] http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://dojorio.wordpress.com/&ei=z7GyS7OtCIvYsgOAvqTMBA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBQQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddojorio%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Dv Thoughts? -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com _______________________________________________ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers From abpillai at gmail.com Fri Apr 16 15:29:16 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:59:16 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Coaching institute in Bangalore. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Ramdas S wrote: > > To my best of knowledge there are no coaching centers. But I dont mind > investing in one, if there's enough scope.... > No scope. Save your monies for something else worthwhile. Maybe for a Django class, never for learning Python. > > -- > Ramdas S > +91 9342 583 065 > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- --Anand From noufal at gmail.com Fri Apr 16 15:57:49 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:27:49 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Coaching institute in Bangalore. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Ramdas S wrote: > >> >> To my best of knowledge there are no coaching centers. But I dont mind >> investing in one, if there's enough scope.... >> > > No scope. Save your monies for something else worthwhile. > Maybe for a Django class, never for learning Python. >[..] I'd be *really* wary about a Django training institute. A course held now and then by a larger institute would be fine though. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From ramdaz at gmail.com Fri Apr 16 16:16:46 2010 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:46:46 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Coaching institute in Bangalore. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai > wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Ramdas S wrote: > > > >> > >> To my best of knowledge there are no coaching centers. But I dont mind > >> investing in one, if there's enough scope.... > >> > > > > No scope. Save your monies for something else worthwhile. > > Maybe for a Django class, never for learning Python. > >[..] > > I'd be *really* wary about a Django training institute. A course held > now and then by a larger institute would be fine thoug See it this way. An instituite teaching Python however impractical it's will create a lot more guys with some knowledge of the language. In my experience biggest issue people have with Python is that there are not enough guys out there to code..... > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065 From vid at svaksha.com Fri Apr 16 16:29:02 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:59:02 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Coaching institute in Bangalore. In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8332F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8332F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 18:25, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy wrote: > You would have started a separate thread for it..:( Srinivas, if the idea is interesting, feel free to fork a new thread :) AND tbh, I was expecting a response ....along the lines of "yes, lets try and emulate the brazilians/the idea...whatever and create a more cohesive off-line community" as opposed to nitpicking** **a cue to whine about folks top-posting? I'll pass, thanks :) -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com From orsenthil at gmail.com Fri Apr 16 18:18:53 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 21:48:53 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Coaching institute in Bangalore. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100416161853.GA2818@remy> On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 07:13:55AM -0400, Adityendra Rawat wrote: > > Can some one tell me about some good coaching centers for Python around > Kormangala or Indiranagar area. > To answer your question. Ask a proposal from some of the freelancers in this list to conduct a training for you or your institute. That is be best coaching center you might get. -- Senthil Hell is empty and all the devils are here. -- Wm. Shakespeare, "The Tempest" From abpillai at gmail.com Sat Apr 17 08:10:21 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 11:40:21 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Coaching institute in Bangalore. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai > wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Ramdas S wrote: > > > >> > >> To my best of knowledge there are no coaching centers. But I dont mind > >> investing in one, if there's enough scope.... > >> > > > > No scope. Save your monies for something else worthwhile. > > Maybe for a Django class, never for learning Python. > >[..] > > I'd be *really* wary about a Django training institute. A course held > now and then by a larger institute would be fine though. > Me too. I am perpetually wary of self-professed learning "institutes" that institutionalize a specific IT skill. They are like packaged, ready-to-eat food, quick for consumption but stale and lacking originality. If you want your skills packaged and delivered, go for a quick bite, but I would suggest learning by spending time in the kitchen yourselves. > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- --Anand From abpillai at gmail.com Sat Apr 17 08:08:13 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 11:38:13 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Coaching institute in Bangalore. In-Reply-To: <20100416161853.GA2818@remy> References: <20100416161853.GA2818@remy> Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: > On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 07:13:55AM -0400, Adityendra Rawat wrote: > > > > Can some one tell me about some good coaching centers for Python around > > Kormangala or Indiranagar area. > > > > To answer your question. Ask a proposal from some of the freelancers > in this list to conduct a training for you or your institute. That is > be best coaching center you might get. > +1 After the self-learning option, this is the best 2nd approach to learning Python. > -- > Senthil > > Hell is empty and all the devils are here. > -- Wm. Shakespeare, "The Tempest" > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- --Anand From igothackedbyfoss at gmail.com Sat Apr 17 08:50:06 2010 From: igothackedbyfoss at gmail.com (Jithesh E J) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 12:20:06 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Coaching institute in Bangalore. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You better check these videos. They are very good. http://code.google.com/edu/languages/google-python-class/ On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Adityendra Rawat < adityendra.rawat08 at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Can some one tell me about some good coaching centers for Python around > Kormangala or Indiranagar area. > > Thanks' > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com Sat Apr 17 09:04:50 2010 From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 12:34:50 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Coaching institute in Bangalore. References: <20100416161853.GA2818@remy> Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83335@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> > To answer your question. Ask a proposal from some of the freelancers > in this list to conduct a training for you or your institute. That is > be best coaching center you might get. > I have seen a couple of exceptions here in Hyderabad,just like the guy chandrasekhar, http://www.chandrashekar.info/training/free-weekend-core-python-bootcamp.html One is , VEDA institute guy who teaches linux 2.6 kernel,Though the pace of the course is a bit fast, he is always ready to offer help even after the course is done.I heard this from my friends. Another one is worked for DRDO (forgot his name and institute), teaches device drivers programming and C/C++ programming in UNIX .And he is also helpful after the course. But the bottom line is ,Learn technologies from who have a passion for them(I do second senthil).Not from those who do for money.I think you could sense this once you attend the demo class and asked questions. Ofcourse, the above analogy applies for who love technology,then only you can judge based on factors like clarity of thought in his expression and exposure he has on technology. Thanks&Regards, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy, Mobile:9393099772, From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com Sat Apr 17 09:10:24 2010 From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 12:40:24 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Coaching institute in Bangalore. References: <20100416161853.GA2818@remy> <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83335@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83336@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> >But the bottom line is ,Learn technologies from who have a passion for them(I do second senthil).Not from those who do for money.I think you could sense this once you attend the demo class and asked questions. Hyderabad coaching institutes became so smart that demo given by an expert and you were taught by a mediocre. :) Thanks&Regards, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy, Mobile:9393099772, From noufal at gmail.com Sat Apr 17 13:57:07 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 17:27:07 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this/next weekend? In-Reply-To: References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8331F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: A last minute family matter came up which stops me from attending this. Also, I've got some work to wrap up by Monday. I won't be able to show up. It would be nice if someone else could arrange it. On a semi-related note, @dabeaz is interested in a meetup on one of the evenings he's here. I'm trying to arrange space for around 10 people (the number of +1s IIRC was 8) where I work so that it's convenient for him. I'll keep the group posted. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From ideamonk at gmail.com Sat Apr 17 14:42:46 2010 From: ideamonk at gmail.com (Abhishek Mishra) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 18:12:46 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting servicefor all In-Reply-To: References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83329@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> <201004141614.58161.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > > > Clearly CodersCombat is an intriguing name to an online collaboration > platform for devs. > > First of all I would suggest you do take a look at the name and see if it > makes sense. At least in my perception - it is a platform where developers > are likely to compete not collaborate. And you really really don't want to > have a name which means something different than what the product offers. > > > ^^ I almost ignored this discussion thinking that its yet another programming contest platform. Yet another way to interpret your product would be - "A place where coders come together to combat the deadlines given by their managers!" All the best! From orsenthil at gmail.com Sat Apr 17 14:57:35 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 18:27:35 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this/next weekend? In-Reply-To: References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8331F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: <20100417125735.GA2186@remy> On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 05:27:07PM +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > people (the number of +1s IIRC was 8) where I work so that it's +1 if that counts a registration. :) -- Senthil Be free and open and breezy! Enjoy! Things won't get any better so get used to it. From ardsrk at gmail.com Sat Apr 17 15:11:04 2010 From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 18:41:04 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this/next weekend? In-Reply-To: References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8331F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > A last minute family matter came up which stops me from attending > this. > Oh, that's sad. But, if we can get four or five guys to agree we can still have the meetup. So far its been only two ( Diptanu and myself ). Are there more willing to come? Noufal: Since usually the meetup is at Thoughtworks do we have to call Sriram and inform him about this or is it ok if we just go. -- Arvind From noufal at gmail.com Sat Apr 17 17:31:48 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:01:48 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this/next weekend? In-Reply-To: References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8331F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit wrote: [..] > Noufal: Since usually the meetup is at Thoughtworks > do we have to call Sriram and inform him about this or > is it ok if we just go.[..] You'll have to tell him. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From ardsrk at gmail.com Sat Apr 17 17:43:06 2010 From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:13:06 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this/next weekend? In-Reply-To: References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8331F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > You'll have to tell him. > Ok. I will tell him once we have enough guys attending. Can we have a show of hands now? The idea of the meetup is to pick on a random Python opensource project and study it on the spot. -- Arvind From azhaguselvan at gmx.com Sat Apr 17 19:36:00 2010 From: azhaguselvan at gmx.com (Azhagu Selvan) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 23:06:00 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [COMMERCIAL] CodersCombat project hosting servicefor all In-Reply-To: References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83329@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> <201004141614.58161.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: <4BC9F180.70003@gmx.com> On Saturday 17 April 2010 06:12 PM, Abhishek Mishra wrote: > ^^ I almost ignored this discussion thinking that its yet another > programming contest platform. > Yet another way to interpret your product would be - "A place where coders > come together to combat the deadlines given by their managers!" > > Exactly! Thanks :) -- Azhagu Selvan From vid at svaksha.com Sun Apr 18 03:04:09 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 06:34:09 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this/next weekend? In-Reply-To: References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8331F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 21:13, Arvind Jamuna Dixit wrote: > > The idea of the meetup is to pick on a random Python opensource > project and study it on the spot. ok, at what time? does 5pm work for others? -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com From ardsrk at gmail.com Sun Apr 18 07:48:10 2010 From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 11:18:10 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this/next weekend? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 6:34 AM, ?????? wrote: > ok, at what time? does 5pm work for others? > We usually have it at 3pm. -- Arvind From noufal at gmail.com Sun Apr 18 08:02:23 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 11:32:23 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this/next weekend? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit wrote: > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 6:34 AM, ?????? wrote: > >> ok, at what time? does 5pm work for others? >> > > We usually have it at 3pm.[..] I'd stick to 3 since everyone has gotten comfortable with it. Sriram is on this list but you'd best call him directly to see if the rooms are available. Call me if you want his number. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From ardsrk at gmail.com Sun Apr 18 08:29:10 2010 From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 11:59:10 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this/next weekend? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Sriram > is on this list but you'd best call him directly to see if the rooms > are available. Call me if you want his number. > Yeah, once there are enough guys wanting to attend I will call you and get his number from you. But its looking like not many are interested in attending. -- Arvind From vid at svaksha.com Sun Apr 18 08:52:25 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 12:22:25 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this/next weekend? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 11:32, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > I'd stick to 3 since everyone has gotten comfortable with it. Sriram > is on this list but you'd best call him directly to see if the rooms > are available. Call me if you want his number. I just tried his cell, got no answer. Is there an alternate venue for today or should we postpone it to next Sat/Sun? -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com From ardsrk at gmail.com Sun Apr 18 09:26:28 2010 From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 12:56:28 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this/next weekend? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:22 PM, ?????? wrote: > I just tried his cell, got no answer. Is there an alternate venue for > today or should we postpone it to next Sat/Sun? > I guess its better if we postpone it to next Sunday. In the meantime we could decide on a python open source project, hack on it as much as possible in this week, meetup on April 25th ( at 15:00 ) and discuss our experiences. This will work best if we choose some small but useful project. I personally like Pygments . -- Arvind From vid at svaksha.com Sun Apr 18 11:37:54 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 15:07:54 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] virtualenvwrapper path? Message-ID: Hi Eversince support for all bash shells has been provided, I get the following error when the terminal is invoked: virtualenvwrapper.sh: Could not find Python module virtualenvwrapper.hook_loader using VIRTUALENVWRAPPER_PYTHON=/usr/bin/python. Is the PATH set properly? Does this have anything to do with the way python is packaged in Ubuntu? or something else? I dont recall this error in the older bashrc and googling for the error didnt help, except for yet another useful article by Doug[0] BUT I have not defined a source hook for it. Its invoked with "mkvirtualenv projectname", "workon" or should that change too? What am I missing here? Any idea? TIA, -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com [0]http://www.doughellmann.com/docs/virtualenvwrapper/plugins.html From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 12:39:18 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 16:09:18 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Xpost : PyCon India 2010 venue Message-ID: Hello everyone, My apologies for the crossposting. We really need and India Python list. We're trying to decide where to hold the next PyCon in India and have a survey set up at http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/QKJ93GC If you can spread the word and take some time to respond to the survey, it would help us to decide where to hold the event this year. Thanks for your support. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From ankur at thinklabs.in Tue Apr 20 12:42:50 2010 From: ankur at thinklabs.in (Ankur Gupta) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 16:12:50 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Xpost : PyCon India 2010 venue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, We have Mumbai Python User Group as well. Not as active though. Nevertheless I am sure people would be interested in attending and would love to have a say too. Was wondering if I can post this message on mumpy user group as well. Ankur On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Hello everyone, > My apologies for the crossposting. We really need and India Python list. > > We're trying to decide where to hold the next PyCon in India and > have a survey set up at http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/QKJ93GC > If you can spread the word and take some time to respond to the > survey, it would help us to decide where to hold the event this year. > > Thanks for your support. > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 12:44:21 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 16:14:21 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Xpost : PyCon India 2010 venue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Ankur Gupta wrote: > Hi, > > We have Mumbai Python User Group as well. Not as active though. Nevertheless > I am sure people would be interested in attending and would love to have a > say too. Was wondering if I can post this message on mumpy user group as > well.[..] Please do. Spread the word. This is India PyCon. It's for Python enthusiasts in the whole country. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From vid at svaksha.com Tue Apr 20 14:21:42 2010 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyA=?=) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 17:51:42 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Xpost : PyCon India 2010 venue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 16:09, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Hello everyone, > ? My apologies for the crossposting. We really need and India Python list. Why not ask ALL interested folks to join the inpycon list: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon It is open and meant for pycon discussions. -- thanks and regards, vid || http://svaksha.com From orsenthil at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 20:22:47 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 23:52:47 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Xpost : PyCon India 2010 venue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100420182247.GA13770@remy> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 04:09:18PM +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > We're trying to decide where to hold the next PyCon in India and > have a survey set up at http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/QKJ93GC > If you can spread the word and take some time to respond to the > survey, it would help us to decide where to hold the event this year. > Hello, I think, it was decided that PyCon 2010 is happening at Chennai. Why are we discussing this at all. No PyCon Chair at Chennai, is it? I thought, Kaushik was taking it up and if not there is Kenneth who wanted to hold it and had always conveyed this message. +1 for Chennai. -- Senthil Tell the truth or trump--but get the trick. -- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar" From gora at srijan.in Wed Apr 21 21:13:26 2010 From: gora at srijan.in (Gora Mohanty) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:43:26 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] One language to bind them all Message-ID: <20100422004326.01005950@ibis> Hi, Posted without comment, as I am not sure whether to laugh or cry: http://www.itworld.com/government/105031/will-wall-street-require-python On the face of it, this looks like an attempt to have Python/another programming language substitute for English in some US SEC regulations! Regards, Gora From lawgon at au-kbc.org Thu Apr 22 03:56:59 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 07:26:59 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] One language to bind them all In-Reply-To: <20100422004326.01005950@ibis> References: <20100422004326.01005950@ibis> Message-ID: <201004220726.59913.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Thursday 22 Apr 2010 12:43:26 am Gora Mohanty wrote: > Posted without comment, as I am not sure whether to laugh or cry: > http://www.itworld.com/government/105031/will-wall-street-require-python > laugh - it is supposed to be humorous (and nicely done too) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From ardsrk at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 06:40:55 2010 From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:10:55 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend Message-ID: I just called Sriram and confirmed the availability of room for this Sunday. (April 25th at 15:00) The original plan was to discuss on Pygments. I have been fiddling with Pygments for a few hours and with my very limited experience using it I can say it's a well designed piece of software. Pygments is also very well documented . If Pygments looks heavyweight we can discuss on any one of Python standard library modules. I have heard that the unittest module employs a fair number of Python tricks and techniques. We can have a meetup if atleast three guys ( including me ) are willing to attend. Now, can we have a show of hands please. -- Arvind From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 07:29:41 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:59:41 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +1 On 4/22/10, Arvind Jamuna Dixit wrote: > I just called Sriram and confirmed the > availability of room for this Sunday. (April 25th at 15:00) > > The original plan was to discuss on Pygments. > I have been fiddling with Pygments for a few hours and > with my very limited experience using it I can say > it's a well designed piece of software. > Pygments is also very well documented . > > If Pygments looks heavyweight we can discuss on > any one of Python standard library modules. I have heard > that the unittest module > employs a fair number of > Python tricks and techniques. > > We can have a meetup if atleast three guys ( including me ) > are willing to attend. > > Now, can we have a show of hands please. > > -- > Arvind > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From jaganadhg at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 08:59:30 2010 From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:29:30 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python code documentation doubt Message-ID: Dear All where can I find some guide/guidelines for code documentation like this >>> single_record.pmid u'7024555' single_record + - B{.title} - B{.pmid} - B{.Abs} I{(abstracts)} - B{.year} I am looking for a guide to learn the technique of writing such kind of code document in my module. -- ********************************** JAGANADH G http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog From steve at lonetwin.net Thu Apr 22 09:27:50 2010 From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:57:50 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python code documentation doubt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BCFFA76.9040309@lonetwin.net> On 04/22/2010 12:29 PM, JAGANADH G wrote: > Dear All > > where can I find some guide/guidelines for code documentation like this > > > >>> single_record.pmid > u'7024555' > single_record + > - B{.title} > - B{.pmid} > - B{.Abs} I{(abstracts)} > - B{.year} > > I am looking for a guide to learn the technique of writing such kind of code > document in my module. > From what you've posted, it looks more like the __repr__ of the 'pmid' object rather than code documentation. Here is a console session (pretty self explanatory) demonstrating the use of __repr__ ...and a bit more (ie: the difference between that and __str__ ) : ------------------------------------------ >>> class A: ... def __init__(self, x): ... self.x = x ... ... def __str__(self): ... return str(self.x) ... ... def __repr__(self): ... return "I am a %s with the value %d" % (self.__class__, self.x) ... >>> a = A() >>> a = A(10) >>> a I am a __main__.A with the value 10 >>> print a 10 >>> ------------------------------------------ If you need additional explanation or clarification, please ask. hth, cheers, - steve -- random new spiel: http://lonetwin.net/ random old spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/ what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/ From orsenthil at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 09:28:25 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:58:25 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python code documentation doubt In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100422072825.GD14671@remy> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:29:30PM +0530, JAGANADH G wrote: > > I am looking for a guide to learn the technique of writing such kind of code > document in my module. > The Documentation for modules and functions is called 'docstrings'. PEP: 257 - is the 'immortalized' pep for docstring conventions. Also look at pep-0007 and pep-0008 for coding standards. And google for docutils, restructured text, you might get all the references you want. On a site note, the one you pointed out seems to be project specific and not standard docstrings. -- Senthil Are you making all this up as you go along? From digamma at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 09:45:19 2010 From: digamma at gmail.com (karthik) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:45:19 -0700 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this/next weekend? In-Reply-To: References: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D8331F@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 4:57 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On a semi-related note, @dabeaz is interested in a meetup on one of > the evenings he's here. I'm trying to arrange space for around 10 > people (the number of +1s IIRC was 8) where I work so that it's > convenient for him. I'll keep the group posted. > +1 from me as well. With best regards, Karthik From madhav.bnk at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 09:53:40 2010 From: madhav.bnk at gmail.com (B.Nanda Kishore) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:23:40 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +1 for pygments, I recently tried it for my pet project( https://github.com/madhav/zeshare). Its a good one. Regards, Nandakishore On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit wrote: > I just called Sriram and confirmed the > availability of room for this Sunday. (April 25th at 15:00) > > The original plan was to discuss on Pygments. > I have been fiddling with Pygments for a few hours and > with my very limited experience using it I can say > it's a well designed piece of software. > Pygments is also very well documented . > > If Pygments looks heavyweight we can discuss on > any one of Python standard library modules. I have heard > that the unittest module > employs a fair number of > Python tricks and techniques. > > We can have a meetup if atleast three guys ( including me ) > are willing to attend. > > Now, can we have a show of hands please. > > -- > Arvind > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From sethi.anubha at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 10:07:23 2010 From: sethi.anubha at gmail.com (anubha sethi) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:37:23 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend Message-ID: +1 -- Anubha Dadhich From jaganadhg at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 10:37:58 2010 From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 14:07:58 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python code documentation doubt In-Reply-To: <4BCFFA76.9040309@lonetwin.net> References: <4BCFFA76.9040309@lonetwin.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:57 PM, steve wrote: > On 04/22/2010 12:29 PM, JAGANADH G wrote: > >> Dear All >> >> where can I find some guide/guidelines for code documentation like this >> >> >> >>> single_record.pmid >> u'7024555' >> single_record + >> - B{.title} >> - B{.pmid} >> - B{.Abs} I{(abstracts)} >> - B{.year} >> >> I am looking for a guide to learn the technique of writing such kind of >> code >> document in my module. >> >> > From what you've posted, i > http://bitbucket.org/jagan/bioreadernltk/src/tip/bioreader.py -- ********************************** JAGANADH G http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog From jaganadhg at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 10:39:55 2010 From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 14:09:55 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python code documentation doubt In-Reply-To: <20100422072825.GD14671@remy> References: <20100422072825.GD14671@remy> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:29:30PM +0530, JAGANADH G wrote: > > > > I am looking for a guide to learn the technique of writing such kind of > code > > document in my module. > > > > The Documentation for modules and functions is called 'docstrings'. > > PEP: 257 - is the 'immortalized' pep for docstring conventions. > Also look at pep-0007 and pep-0008 for coding standards. > > And google for docutils, restructured text, you might get all the > references you want. > > On a site note, the one you pointed out seems to be project specific > and not standard docstrings. > > Ya it is from the project http://bitbucket.org/jagan/bioreadernltk/src/tip/bioreader.py I will try the documents suggested by you. I got the idea now . Thanks for the help -- ********************************** JAGANADH G http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 11:05:56 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 14:35:56 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python code documentation doubt In-Reply-To: References: <20100422072825.GD14671@remy> Message-ID: epydoc is python specific and uses custom markup in the doc strings. I think is was pre Rest. It might be a good place to start looking. There might be some guidelines in the sphinx docs about this as well. On 4/22/10, JAGANADH G wrote: > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Senthil Kumaran > wrote: > >> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 12:29:30PM +0530, JAGANADH G wrote: >> > >> > I am looking for a guide to learn the technique of writing such kind of >> code >> > document in my module. >> > >> >> The Documentation for modules and functions is called 'docstrings'. >> >> PEP: 257 - is the 'immortalized' pep for docstring conventions. >> Also look at pep-0007 and pep-0008 for coding standards. >> >> And google for docutils, restructured text, you might get all the >> references you want. >> >> On a site note, the one you pointed out seems to be project specific >> and not standard docstrings. >> >> > Ya it is from the project > http://bitbucket.org/jagan/bioreadernltk/src/tip/bioreader.py > > I will try the documents suggested by you. I got the idea now . > > Thanks for the help > > -- > ********************************** > JAGANADH G > http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From ardsrk at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 15:11:15 2010 From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 18:41:15 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sriram just called me and informed about some pest control activities that would be going on in ThoughtWorks this weekend. That means we cannot have the meetup at ThoughtWorks. Anyone suggest an alternative venue please. --Arvind From sethi.anubha at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 15:23:36 2010 From: sethi.anubha at gmail.com (anubha sethi) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 18:53:36 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit wrote: > Sriram just called me and informed about some pest control activities that > would be going on in > ThoughtWorks this weekend. > > That means we cannot have the meetup at ThoughtWorks. > > Anyone suggest an alternative venue please. > We can have it at Sigma Infosolutions this time, if it is convenient with everyone. Let me know what all things we would have to arrange. Address - Sigma Infosolutions Ltd, Sigma Towers, #66/A, 13th Cross,6th Main, JP Nagar, 3rd Phase, Bangalore- 560078 LandMark - S hotel, very close to Shopper's Stop at Bannerghatta Road > --Arvind > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- Anubha Dadhich From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 18:45:46 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 22:15:46 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm not totally sure if I can make it to JP Nagar by 1500 on Sunday so it'll have to be a +0 from me. On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 6:53 PM, anubha sethi wrote: > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit wrote: >> Sriram just called me and informed about some pest control activities that >> would be going on in >> ThoughtWorks this weekend. >> >> That means we cannot have the meetup at ThoughtWorks. >> >> Anyone suggest an alternative venue please. >> > > We can have it at Sigma Infosolutions this time, if it is convenient > with everyone. Let me know what all things we would have to arrange. > > Address - > Sigma Infosolutions Ltd, > Sigma Towers, > #66/A, 13th Cross,6th Main, > JP Nagar, 3rd Phase, > Bangalore- 560078 > LandMark - S hotel, very close to Shopper's Stop at Bannerghatta Road > > >> --Arvind >> _______________________________________________ >> BangPypers mailing list >> BangPypers at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> > > -- > Anubha Dadhich > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From kunal.t2 at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 18:57:12 2010 From: kunal.t2 at gmail.com (kunal ghosh) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 22:27:12 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +0 :( its pretty far off from my place too. On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > I'm not totally sure if I can make it to JP Nagar by 1500 on Sunday so > it'll have to be a +0 from me. > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 6:53 PM, anubha sethi > wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit > wrote: > >> Sriram just called me and informed about some pest control activities > that > >> would be going on in > >> ThoughtWorks this weekend. > >> > >> That means we cannot have the meetup at ThoughtWorks. > >> > >> Anyone suggest an alternative venue please. > >> > > > > We can have it at Sigma Infosolutions this time, if it is convenient > > with everyone. Let me know what all things we would have to arrange. > > > > Address - > > Sigma Infosolutions Ltd, > > Sigma Towers, > > #66/A, 13th Cross,6th Main, > > JP Nagar, 3rd Phase, > > Bangalore- 560078 > > LandMark - S hotel, very close to Shopper's Stop at Bannerghatta Road > > > > > >> --Arvind > >> _______________________________________________ > >> BangPypers mailing list > >> BangPypers at python.org > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > >> > > > > -- > > Anubha Dadhich > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- regards ------- Kunal Ghosh Dept of Computer Sc. & Engineering. Sir MVIT Bangalore,India Quote: "Ignorance is not a sin, the persistence of ignorance is" -- "If you find a task difficult today, you'll find it difficult 10yrs later too !" ----- "Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail" Blog:kunalghosh.wordpress.com Website:www.kunalghosh.net46.net V-card:http://tinyurl.com/86qjyk From admin.nitjece at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 21:42:02 2010 From: admin.nitjece at gmail.com (Diptanu Choudhury) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 01:12:02 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thoughtworks has an office in Koramangala as well, but the servers would be down during the weekend, so there won't be any internet connectivity. If you think there won't be any problem to conduct the user group meeting without the internet, I can search for a room there. On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:27 PM, kunal ghosh wrote: > +0 :( its pretty far off from my place too. > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > > I'm not totally sure if I can make it to JP Nagar by 1500 on Sunday so > > it'll have to be a +0 from me. > > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 6:53 PM, anubha sethi > > wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit > > > wrote: > > >> Sriram just called me and informed about some pest control activities > > that > > >> would be going on in > > >> ThoughtWorks this weekend. > > >> > > >> That means we cannot have the meetup at ThoughtWorks. > > >> > > >> Anyone suggest an alternative venue please. > > >> > > > > > > We can have it at Sigma Infosolutions this time, if it is convenient > > > with everyone. Let me know what all things we would have to arrange. > > > > > > Address - > > > Sigma Infosolutions Ltd, > > > Sigma Towers, > > > #66/A, 13th Cross,6th Main, > > > JP Nagar, 3rd Phase, > > > Bangalore- 560078 > > > LandMark - S hotel, very close to Shopper's Stop at Bannerghatta Road > > > > > > > > >> --Arvind > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> BangPypers mailing list > > >> BangPypers at python.org > > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > >> > > > > > > -- > > > Anubha Dadhich > > > _______________________________________________ > > > BangPypers mailing list > > > BangPypers at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ~noufal > > http://nibrahim.net.in > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > -- > regards > ------- > Kunal Ghosh > Dept of Computer Sc. & Engineering. > Sir MVIT > Bangalore,India > > Quote: > "Ignorance is not a sin, the persistence of ignorance is" > -- > "If you find a task difficult today, you'll find it difficult 10yrs later > too !" > ----- > "Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail" > > Blog:kunalghosh.wordpress.com > Website:www.kunalghosh.net46.net > V-card:http://tinyurl.com/86qjyk > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- Thanks, Diptanu Choudhury Just a Coder, ThoughtWorks India Mobile - 09886760964 Web - www.linkedin.com/in/diptanu From sridhar.ratna at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 06:00:09 2010 From: sridhar.ratna at gmail.com (Sridhar Ratnakumar) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 21:00:09 -0700 Subject: [BangPypers] Cheap hosting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: NearlyFreeSpeech.Net They recently announced (beta) support arbitrary HTTP servers: http://blog.nearlyfreespeech.net/2010/04/03/pools-arbitrary-http-servers-resource-reservation-and-scalability/ -srid On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Venkatraman S wrote: > Hi, > > Am looking for some cheap site hosting solutions with reasonable > performance. Any recos? > > -V- > http://twitter.com/venkasub > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From sethi.anubha at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 06:19:12 2010 From: sethi.anubha at gmail.com (Anubha Dadhich) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:49:12 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:27 PM, kunal ghosh wrote: > +0 :( its pretty far off from my place too. > It isn't very close to my place either :) But we have all the facilities over here. > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> I'm not totally sure if I can make it to JP Nagar by 1500 on Sunday so >> it'll have to be a +0 from me. >> >> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 6:53 PM, anubha sethi >> wrote: >> > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit >> wrote: >> >> Sriram just called me and informed about some pest control activities >> that >> >> would be going on in >> >> ThoughtWorks this weekend. >> >> >> >> That means we cannot have the meetup at ThoughtWorks. >> >> >> >> Anyone suggest an alternative venue please. >> >> >> > >> > We can have it at Sigma Infosolutions this time, if it is convenient >> > with everyone. Let me know what all things we would have to arrange. >> > >> > Address - >> > Sigma Infosolutions Ltd, >> > Sigma Towers, >> > #66/A, 13th Cross,6th Main, >> > JP Nagar, 3rd Phase, >> > Bangalore- 560078 >> > LandMark - S hotel, very close to Shopper's Stop at Bannerghatta Road >> > >> > >> >> --Arvind >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> BangPypers mailing list >> >> BangPypers at python.org >> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > Anubha Dadhich >> > _______________________________________________ >> > BangPypers mailing list >> > BangPypers at python.org >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> ~noufal >> http://nibrahim.net.in >> _______________________________________________ >> BangPypers mailing list >> BangPypers at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> > > > > -- > regards > ------- > Kunal Ghosh > Dept of Computer Sc. & Engineering. > Sir MVIT > Bangalore,India > > Quote: > "Ignorance is not a sin, the persistence of ignorance is" > -- > "If you find a task difficult today, you'll find it difficult 10yrs later > too !" > ----- > "Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail" > > Blog:kunalghosh.wordpress.com > Website:www.kunalghosh.net46.net > V-card:http://tinyurl.com/86qjyk > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From ardsrk at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 06:32:33 2010 From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 10:02:33 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 1:12 AM, Diptanu Choudhury wrote: > If you > think there won't be any problem to conduct the user group meeting without > the internet, I can search for a room there. > If someone with a laptop could download the Pygments source before coming to the user group meeting then I think Internet connectivity is not going to be an issue. We now have to get guys to agree with the new venue. Anyone interested in having the meetup at ThoughtWorks Koramangala? -- Arvind From orsenthil at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 07:12:38 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 10:42:38 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Cheap hosting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100423051238.GA2239@remy> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 09:00:09PM -0700, Sridhar Ratnakumar wrote: > NearlyFreeSpeech.Net They don't seem to offer Python interpreter in their hosting. But yeah, the OP did not ask for it either. :) -- Senthil Big book, big bore. -- Callimachus From noufal at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 07:18:42 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 10:48:42 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Cheap hosting In-Reply-To: <20100423051238.GA2239@remy> References: <20100423051238.GA2239@remy> Message-ID: I have my personal site on hcoop.net. It's a hosting cooperative. Of late, they've been having some issues but the lack of a commercial entity backing it is a mixed blessing and it might be suitable for your needs. They are pretty liberal with server policies so you can do almost anything you want. OTOH, it's not really strong enough for commercial level hosting and loads. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From rahul.jha at assortedtrails.com Fri Apr 23 07:55:37 2010 From: rahul.jha at assortedtrails.com (Rahul Jha) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:25:37 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Cheap hosting In-Reply-To: References: <20100423051238.GA2239@remy> Message-ID: I've been using VPS hosting at http://prgmr.com for over an year now for two of my websites. They've got quite affordable plans and I haven't had any major issues till now. On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > I have my personal site on hcoop.net. It's a hosting cooperative. Of > late, they've been having some issues but the lack of a commercial > entity backing it is a mixed blessing and it might be suitable for > your needs. They are pretty liberal with server policies so you can do > almost anything you want. OTOH, it's not really strong enough for > commercial level hosting and loads. > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- http://assortedtrails.com/ From rahul.jha at assortedtrails.com Fri Apr 23 07:57:43 2010 From: rahul.jha at assortedtrails.com (Rahul Jha) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:27:43 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I'd be interested in coming to Thoughtworks, Koramangala for a meetup on Sunday afternoon. I am a new member here so I'll just add a quick introduction. This is Rahul Jha, I am a developer at Yahoo! for about 2.5 years now. I am also a co-founder for http://step2.co.in and maintain a blog at http://assortedtrails.com. Though I am no expert in Python, I am very interested in the language and have done a couple of projects in it. Regards, Rahul On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit wrote: > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 1:12 AM, Diptanu Choudhury > wrote: > > > If you > > think there won't be any problem to conduct the user group meeting > without > > the internet, I can search for a room there. > > > > If someone with a laptop could download the Pygments source before > coming to the user group meeting then I think Internet connectivity > is not going to be an issue. > > We now have to get guys to agree with the new venue. > > Anyone interested in having the meetup at ThoughtWorks Koramangala? > > -- > Arvind > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- http://assortedtrails.com/ From venkat83 at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 08:03:27 2010 From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:33:27 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Cheap hosting In-Reply-To: References: <20100423051238.GA2239@remy> Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Rahul Jha wrote: > I've been using VPS hosting at http://prgmr.com for over an year now for > two > of my websites. They've got quite affordable plans and I haven't had any > major issues till now. > > Guess webfaction is a better alternative from what i saw. Gives better bandwith. -V From ardsrk at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 08:12:23 2010 From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:42:23 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Rahul Jha wrote: > I'd be interested in coming to Thoughtworks, Koramangala for a meetup on > Sunday afternoon. > Good to know. The plan is to have it at Thoughtworks, Koramangala at 15:00. We will wait for sometime and if enough guys join we can have a meetup. > I am a new member here so I'll just add a quick introduction. Welcome to the group :) -- Arvind From sriramnrn at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 08:14:40 2010 From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:44:40 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry, there are the very same pest control activities at Thoughtworks' Koramangala office as well ! -- Ram On 4/23/10, Diptanu Choudhury wrote: > Thoughtworks has an office in Koramangala as well, but the servers would be > down during the weekend, so there won't be any internet connectivity. If you > think there won't be any problem to conduct the user group meeting without > the internet, I can search for a room there. > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:27 PM, kunal ghosh wrote: > >> +0 :( its pretty far off from my place too. >> >> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> >> > I'm not totally sure if I can make it to JP Nagar by 1500 on Sunday so >> > it'll have to be a +0 from me. >> > >> > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 6:53 PM, anubha sethi >> > wrote: >> > > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit > > >> > wrote: >> > >> Sriram just called me and informed about some pest control activities >> > that >> > >> would be going on in >> > >> ThoughtWorks this weekend. >> > >> >> > >> That means we cannot have the meetup at ThoughtWorks. >> > >> >> > >> Anyone suggest an alternative venue please. >> > >> >> > > >> > > We can have it at Sigma Infosolutions this time, if it is convenient >> > > with everyone. Let me know what all things we would have to arrange. >> > > >> > > Address - >> > > Sigma Infosolutions Ltd, >> > > Sigma Towers, >> > > #66/A, 13th Cross,6th Main, >> > > JP Nagar, 3rd Phase, >> > > Bangalore- 560078 >> > > LandMark - S hotel, very close to Shopper's Stop at Bannerghatta Road >> > > >> > > >> > >> --Arvind >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> > >> BangPypers mailing list >> > >> BangPypers at python.org >> > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> > >> >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Anubha Dadhich >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > BangPypers mailing list >> > > BangPypers at python.org >> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > ~noufal >> > http://nibrahim.net.in >> > _______________________________________________ >> > BangPypers mailing list >> > BangPypers at python.org >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> regards >> ------- >> Kunal Ghosh >> Dept of Computer Sc. & Engineering. >> Sir MVIT >> Bangalore,India >> >> Quote: >> "Ignorance is not a sin, the persistence of ignorance is" >> -- >> "If you find a task difficult today, you'll find it difficult 10yrs later >> too !" >> ----- >> "Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail" >> >> Blog:kunalghosh.wordpress.com >> Website:www.kunalghosh.net46.net >> V-card:http://tinyurl.com/86qjyk >> _______________________________________________ >> BangPypers mailing list >> BangPypers at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> > > > > -- > Thanks, > Diptanu Choudhury > Just a Coder, ThoughtWorks India > Mobile - 09886760964 > Web - www.linkedin.com/in/diptanu > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- Sent from my mobile device Belenix: www.belenix.org From lorddaemon at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 08:17:43 2010 From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Darkseid) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:47:43 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Cheap hosting In-Reply-To: References: <20100423051238.GA2239@remy> Message-ID: <4BD13B87.2030004@gmail.com> +1 to prgmr.com. Rahul Jha wrote: > I've been using VPS hosting at http://prgmr.com for over an year now for two > of my websites. They've got quite affordable plans and I haven't had any > major issues till now. > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > >> I have my personal site on hcoop.net. It's a hosting cooperative. Of >> late, they've been having some issues but the lack of a commercial >> entity backing it is a mixed blessing and it might be suitable for >> your needs. They are pretty liberal with server policies so you can do >> almost anything you want. OTOH, it's not really strong enough for >> commercial level hosting and loads. >> >> -- >> ~noufal >> http://nibrahim.net.in >> _______________________________________________ >> BangPypers mailing list >> BangPypers at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> >> > > > > From noufal at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 08:17:17 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:47:17 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Sriram Narayanan wrote: > Sorry, there are the very same pest control activities at > Thoughtworks' Koramangala office as well ![..] We had one of our earlier meetings at the TenXperts office in Koramangala. Kamal Govindraj is the owner and he's on the list. If it's available, it'd be a nice place to hold the meeting. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From ardsrk at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 08:19:29 2010 From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:49:29 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Sriram Narayanan wrote: > Sorry, there are the very same pest control activities at > Thoughtworks' Koramangala office as well ! > Damn!! What do we do now?? -- Arvind From rahul.jha at assortedtrails.com Fri Apr 23 08:23:10 2010 From: rahul.jha at assortedtrails.com (Rahul Jha) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:53:10 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Cheap hosting In-Reply-To: References: <20100423051238.GA2239@remy> Message-ID: I haven't used webfaction, but it seems highly recommended as a shared hosting solution, especially if you're using Django: http://djangohosting.org/. Going by the discussion here http://hn.whyslow.net/item?id=836238, Linode (http://www.linode.com/) seems to be quite popular as well. On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Venkatraman S wrote: > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Rahul Jha >wrote: > > > I've been using VPS hosting at http://prgmr.com for over an year now for > > two > > of my websites. They've got quite affordable plans and I haven't had any > > major issues till now. > > > > > Guess webfaction is a better alternative from what i saw. Gives better > bandwith. > > -V > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- http://assortedtrails.com/ From ardsrk at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 10:56:53 2010 From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:26:53 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > We had one of our earlier meetings at the TenXperts office in Koramangala. > > Kamal Govindraj is the owner and he's on the list. If it's available, > it'd be a nice place to hold the meeting. > > I called Kamal and confirmed that his office space is available for the meetup on Sunday. On Hosur Main Road opposite Star Bazaar there is a small cross road ( attached to Robert Bosch's compound ). His office is on that road above Innovative Cars shop on the first floor. Here is the map . 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Regards, Gora From noufal at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 11:37:51 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:07:51 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit wrote: [..] > We can have the meetup if we get enough +1's. [..] Neat. 1500? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From ardsrk at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 11:41:15 2010 From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:11:15 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Neat. 1500? > Yes, at 15:00. -- Arvind From ardsrk at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 11:46:30 2010 From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:16:30 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just to make things clear here is the details of the coming meetup: Venue: TenXperts office in Koramangala, Date/Time: April 25th 2010 at 15:00, Agenda: Discuss on Pygments and other Python modules. -- Arvind From orsenthil at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 13:53:04 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:23:04 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] FW: OpenHatch: Find ways to contribute to open source (including Python itself) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100423115304.GC5901@remy> If you are looking to get started with FOSS, Asheesh tool might help you. -- Senthil On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 04:47:08PM -0400, Asheesh Laroia wrote: > Hi all! I'm happy to announce the new version of the OpenHatch > volunteer opportunity finder. > > Volunteer opportunity finder > ---------------------------- > > Looking for a way to get involved in open source, but don't know > where to start? Try browsing bugs in the OpenHatch volunteer > opportunity finder: https//openhatch.org/search/ > > At PyCon, I led an open space where some of us tried finding things > to work on. We found "easy" documentation bugs in Python, and wrote > up patches. Within a few weeks, our patches were comitted to the > Python core. > > Contributors to hundreds of projects (including Python itself) label > bugs as good for new contributors. Those bugs are an opportunity for > you to find a new project to contribute to in open source, so try > browsing them at https://openhatch.org/search/?q=&toughness=bitesize > > Do you run an open source project? You can add your project to our > index by clicking "Add a bug tracker." If you want to get new > contributors more easily, try tagging bugs in your bug tracker as > "bitesize."We're always looking for more projects to include in our > crawls. > > About OpenHatch > --------------- > > We're a website for helping people find ways to get involved in > free, open source software. We also run a profile engine where you > can tell your story in open source, emphasizing all the ways you've > been involved in projects. (Successful open source projects take > more than just code!) > > For more info > ------------- > > Keep in touch by: > > * Joining #openhatch on irc.freenode.net > * Replying to me and getting on our announcements list > * Subscribing to @openhatchery on Twitter/Identi.ca > * Reading our blog at https://openhatch.org/blog/ > > Or grab our source code: https://openhatch.org/source-code-etc/ > > -- Asheesh. > > -- > ... bacteriological warfare ... hard to believe we were once foolish > enough to play around with that. > -- McCoy, "The Omega Glory", stardate unknown > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-announce-list > > Support the Python Software Foundation: > http://www.python.org/psf/donations/ -- Senthil Who is D.B. Cooper, and where is he now? From jayakumargenius at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 19:38:31 2010 From: jayakumargenius at gmail.com (jaya kumar) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 23:08:31 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] greetings from kiran Message-ID: greetings from kumar hi to all am new to python am now learning python i hope this community will help to improve the skills in python ... how to work python in windows ? what are all the editiors we want to install in windows to run python ? python is scripting language python is equal to php ? which one is better for web development please can any one suggest thank u From orsenthil at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 19:49:05 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 23:19:05 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] greetings from kiran In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100423174904.GA3522@remy> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:08:31PM +0530, jaya kumar wrote: > greetings from kumar Welcome to the group. > > am new to python am now learning python > You will learning python to be a worthy experience. > i hope this community will help to improve the skills in python ... Not really. :) You will have to study a lot yourself to improve your skills in python. This community will help you maintain your enthusiasm. I hope find that factor a worthy one. > how to work python in windows ? what are all the editiors we want to > install in windows to run python ? Install Python for Windows from www.python.org Read the Documentation available there. > python is scripting language > > python is equal to php ? which one is better for web development please > can any one suggest > Yes, all languages are equal in power. However some languages have advantages over other as in Python is an easy to learn and a powerful language. For web development you might to want the frameworks. Give yourself a 3 month time to be familiar with python and web development using Python, then you can revisit the question you asked. Because, this is a beginner question, I am sure this thread will grow leaps and bounds with everyone pitching the ideas. So just be careful :) and then there is python-tutor at python.org list which is beginners like you too. But read some docs first. Thank you, -- Senthil From kausikram at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 19:51:44 2010 From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 23:21:44 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] greetings from kiran In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi kumar, greetings from bangpypers. Really appreciate your enthusiasm. would appreciate even more if you google around and use the mailing list as the last resort. and as for your questions: > how to work python in windows ? if you are talking about cPython then go to python.org find the windows binaries for it, download it and install it. what are all the editiors we want to install in windows to run python ? > go to python.org this page specifically: http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEditors to find a editor that satisfies your needs. > python is equal to php ? no python is not equal to PHP. -- Kausikram Krishnasayee Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 From sridhar.ratna at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 21:38:37 2010 From: sridhar.ratna at gmail.com (Sridhar Ratnakumar) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:38:37 -0700 Subject: [BangPypers] Cheap hosting In-Reply-To: <20100423051238.GA2239@remy> References: <20100423051238.GA2239@remy> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Senthil Kumaran wrote: > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 09:00:09PM -0700, Sridhar Ratnakumar wrote: > > NearlyFreeSpeech.Net > > They don't seem to offer Python interpreter in their hosting. > They do: http://example.nfshost.com/versions.php. Further, they will happily install any third-party Python module for you .. as long as they are available in the FreeBSD ports collection; which if it is not, you can build yourself. -srid From jayakumargenius at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 05:32:31 2010 From: jayakumargenius at gmail.com (jaya kumar) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:02:31 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] hi sir Message-ID: greetings from kumar hi to all am new to python am now learning python i hope this community will help to improve the skills in python ... how to work python in windows ? what are all the editiors we want to install in windows to run python ? python is scripting language python is equal to php ? which one is better for web development please can any one suggest From kunal.t2 at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 06:27:59 2010 From: kunal.t2 at gmail.com (kunal ghosh) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:57:59 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] greetings from kiran In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, we are hosting a workshop on "Python in Scientific Computing" by "FOSSEE.in", you'll may recollect them from PyCon2009. Workshop Dates : 30th April 2010 to 1st May 2010. Venue:Sir M Visvesvaraya Institute of Technology, Krishnadeveraya Nagar, Hunasamranhalli, NH-7, Via- Yelahanka, Bangalore-562157, Karnataka, India http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=sir+mvit&ie=UTF8&hq=sir+mvit&hnear=&ll=13.153958,77.605104&spn=0.056917,0.077162&z=14 @ Jaya You may want to attend it, its free. Since we have a limitation on the number of computers, you should bring your laptop if you can. for more information please email us at workshops [dot] mvit [at] gmail [dot] com. Registrations at mvit [dot] eventbrite [dot] com. NOTE: Please register only if you are SURE you'll be able to attend on both the days. On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 11:21 PM, kausikram krishnasayee < kausikram at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi kumar, > greetings from bangpypers. > > Really appreciate your enthusiasm. > would appreciate even more if you google around and use the mailing list as > the last resort. > > and as for your questions: > > > > how to work python in windows ? > > if you are talking about cPython then go to python.org find the windows > binaries for it, download it and install it. > > what are all the editiors we want to install in windows to run python ? > > > go to python.org this page specifically: > http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEditors to find a editor that satisfies > your needs. > > > > python is equal to php ? > > no python is not equal to PHP. > > -- > Kausikram Krishnasayee > Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: > blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: > kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- regards ------- Kunal Ghosh Dept of Computer Sc. & Engineering. Sir MVIT Bangalore,India Quote: "Ignorance is not a sin, the persistence of ignorance is" -- "If you find a task difficult today, you'll find it difficult 10yrs later too !" ----- "Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail" Blog:kunalghosh.wordpress.com Website:www.kunalghosh.net46.net V-card:http://tinyurl.com/86qjyk From ramdaz at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 06:32:19 2010 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 10:02:19 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] hi sir In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 9:02 AM, jaya kumar wrote: > greetings from kumar > > hi to all > > am new to python am now learning python > > i hope this community will help to improve the skills in python ... > > how to work python in windows ? what are all the editiors we want to > install in windows to run python ? > > python is scripting language > > python is equal to php ? which one is better for web development please > can any one suggest > python != php python>php Most answers you can use a web site called google and find out, and then try running the tutorials again use google or your fave search engine for answers. From ardsrk at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 19:56:02 2010 From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 23:26:02 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are we having a meetup tomorrow? I see not enough guys interested here. I will wait till 12:00 tomorrow. By then if we don't get enough guys I will inform Kamal that we are not meeting at his office. So, those interested please do a +1. -- Arvind From noufal at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 19:57:26 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 23:27:26 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 11:26 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit wrote: > Are we having a meetup tomorrow? > > I see not enough guys interested here. > > I will wait till 12:00 tomorrow. By then if we > don't get enough guys I will inform Kamal > that we are not meeting at his office. > > So, those interested please do a +1.[..] I personally will not be able to come. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From admin.nitjece at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 22:45:13 2010 From: admin.nitjece at gmail.com (Diptanu Choudhury) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 02:15:13 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I won't be able to make it too, going out of town. On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 11:26 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit > wrote: > > Are we having a meetup tomorrow? > > > > I see not enough guys interested here. > > > > I will wait till 12:00 tomorrow. By then if we > > don't get enough guys I will inform Kamal > > that we are not meeting at his office. > > > > So, those interested please do a +1.[..] > > I personally will not be able to come. > > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- Thanks, Diptanu Choudhury Just a Coder, ThoughtWorks India Mobile - 09886760964 Web - www.linkedin.com/in/diptanu From ardsrk at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 08:03:47 2010 From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:33:47 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Its 11:30 and not even one other guy is interested. Thus, I have informed Kamal that we are not meeting at his office today. See you all at the next meetup. -- Arvind From noufal at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 08:19:28 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:49:28 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit wrote: > Its 11:30 and not even one other guy is interested. > > Thus, I have informed Kamal that we are not meeting at his > office today. > > See you all at the next meetup. A pity. The venue change was short notice though. We'll have the next one along with Dabeaz early next month. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From sriramnrn at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 14:52:51 2010 From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 18:22:51 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, sorry about the really short notice. I had to cancel the Java and the Andriod user group meets at TW for the same reason :( We got the pest control work notice at the really last minute ! :( -- Ram On 4/25/10, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit > wrote: >> Its 11:30 and not even one other guy is interested. >> >> Thus, I have informed Kamal that we are not meeting at his >> office today. >> >> See you all at the next meetup. > > A pity. The venue change was short notice though. > > We'll have the next one along with Dabeaz early next month. > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- Sent from my mobile device Belenix: www.belenix.org From noufal at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 17:23:01 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 20:53:01 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] User group meeting this weekend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not a problem at all. We'll have the next one a little early. On 4/25/10, Sriram Narayanan wrote: > Yes, sorry about the really short notice. I had to cancel the Java and > the Andriod user group meets at TW for the same reason :( > > We got the pest control work notice at the really last minute ! :( > > -- Ram > > On 4/25/10, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit >> wrote: >>> Its 11:30 and not even one other guy is interested. >>> >>> Thus, I have informed Kamal that we are not meeting at his >>> office today. >>> >>> See you all at the next meetup. >> >> A pity. The venue change was short notice though. >> >> We'll have the next one along with Dabeaz early next month. >> >> -- >> ~noufal >> http://nibrahim.net.in >> _______________________________________________ >> BangPypers mailing list >> BangPypers at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > Belenix: www.belenix.org > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From jayakumargenius at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 04:23:12 2010 From: jayakumargenius at gmail.com (jaya kumar) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 07:53:12 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] python supports frameworks ? Message-ID: when we using php we can embedded the code of html, and java script and mysql bcoz it supports mulit language is there python supports like this or else need to go any other scripting languages ? these and all i need to web development purpose can any one please answer ? and also please can any one tell is there any openings for freshers in python in bangalore ? if any openings in bangalore , python for freshers i would like to relocate to bangalore please reply ? From orsenthil at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 05:42:29 2010 From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:12:29 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] python supports frameworks ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100426034229.GA2018@remy> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 07:53:12AM +0530, jaya kumar wrote: > please reply ? Please use a search engine. -- Senthil Ernest asks Frank how long he has been working for the company. "Ever since they threatened to fire me." From rmathews at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 06:02:31 2010 From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:32:31 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] python supports frameworks ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 07:53, jaya kumar wrote: > these and all i need to web development purpose can any one please answer ? > Check out http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/intro/tutorial01/ Do mail the list f you have trouble starting off with that. > and also please can any one tell is there any openings for freshers in > python in bangalore ? > > if any openings in bangalore , python for freshers i would like to relocate > to bangalore > Job openings are posted to this list from time to time. You should go through the list archives at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/ and see if there's anything that interests you. > please reply ? > A little time searching the web will probably be more useful than mailing the list. But please do send a mail if you have already done that. Roshan From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com Mon Apr 26 07:06:19 2010 From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:36:19 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] python supports frameworks ? References: Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83344@astserver3.akebonosoft.com> >and also please can any one tell is there any openings for freshers in >python in bangalore ? Subscribe the feed of this site for job openings.. http://pythonjobs.blogspot.com/ >if any openings in bangalore , python for freshers i would like to relocate >to bangalore. Relocating to Banglore is always a better idea if you can afford,IMO.The more number of companies the better the chances of getting a call or job. Thanks&Regards, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy, Mobile:9393099772, _______________________________________________ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers From noufal at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 07:35:48 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:05:48 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] python supports frameworks ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 7:53 AM, jaya kumar wrote: > when we using php we can embedded the code of html, and java script and > mysql bcoz it supports mulit language You're confusing templating and application logic (just like PHP does) so this comment is not really valid. I think you need to do some reading. Embedding SQL queries at the top layer of application is usually a bad idea as well. > is there python supports like this or else need to go any other scripting > languages ? Python frameworks usually split templating (Genshi, Mako, Templetor etc.) from the application core (Django, TG, web.py etc.) (and both of them from the model/store which is a different question altogether). > these and all i need to web development purpose can any one please answer ? Too broad for a simple answer. Try http://tinyurl.com/2fnu5xl > and also please can any one tell is there any openings for freshers in > python in bangalore ? There are but not as many as you'd see for Java/.NET. Do you have your resume up some place? > if any openings in bangalore , python for freshers i would like to relocate > to bangalore That's usually a good idea even if there are no jobs. COming to Bangalore and networking a little should help you find a job quite quickly if you're competent. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From vnbang2003 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 26 08:15:14 2010 From: vnbang2003 at yahoo.com (vijay) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:45:14 +0530 (IST) Subject: [BangPypers] [Commerical]:Looking for python Developer Message-ID: <323517.45583.qm@web95303.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Hi, ??? We are looking for experienced python developers who will help?? spearhead the development of a next generation Purchase Order and Vendor Management system.? Required technical skills are: Python, DJango, PYMF, Postgres or Mysql, Object Oriented design skills, experience working with large OLTP systems. Experience:? Should have between 4-6 years Location:?????? Bangalore Company :??? Keystone Logic Pvt Limited (www.keystonelogic.net) If interested share your resume with me. Regards, Vijay From abpillai at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 08:19:26 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:49:26 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python Message-ID: SEC has found a way to set right those marauding bankers on Wall street by considering the use of programming languages to specify legal requirements. And the language of choice ? - Python! http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/04/19/2114251/SEC-Proposes-Wall-Street-Transparency-Via-Python If this becomes law, then I suppose there will be lot of Python programmer openings in wall street and could also create Python jobs in the services sector here once these requirements gets outsourced (which they will). Folks, prepare your CVs! :-) -- --Anand From noufal at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 08:22:11 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:52:11 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > SEC has found a way to set right those marauding > bankers on Wall street by considering the use > of programming languages to specify legal requirements. > And the language of choice ? - Python! > > http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/04/19/2114251/SEC-Proposes-Wall-Street-Transparency-Via-Python > > If this becomes law, then I suppose there will be > lot of Python programmer openings in wall street and > could also create Python jobs in the services sector > here once these requirements gets outsourced (which > they will). Folks, prepare your CVs! :-)[..] Apart from the job creation and stuff, it'd be an interesting project to make a programming language that's used to specify legal requirements. If it takes off, the entire 'business rules' setup I imagine will be affected. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From abpillai at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 08:30:39 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:00:39 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai > wrote: > > SEC has found a way to set right those marauding > > bankers on Wall street by considering the use > > of programming languages to specify legal requirements. > > And the language of choice ? - Python! > > > > > http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/04/19/2114251/SEC-Proposes-Wall-Street-Transparency-Via-Python > > > > If this becomes law, then I suppose there will be > > lot of Python programmer openings in wall street and > > could also create Python jobs in the services sector > > here once these requirements gets outsourced (which > > they will). Folks, prepare your CVs! :-)[..] > > Apart from the job creation and stuff, it'd be an interesting project > to make a programming language that's used to specify legal > requirements. If it takes off, the entire 'business rules' setup I > imagine will be affected. > If you don't think that as a huge business opportunity, I wonder what kind of Python consultant you are ;-) > > > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- --Anand From abpillai at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 08:32:38 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:02:38 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpillai at gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai >> wrote: >> > SEC has found a way to set right those marauding >> > bankers on Wall street by considering the use >> > of programming languages to specify legal requirements. >> > And the language of choice ? - Python! >> > >> > >> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/04/19/2114251/SEC-Proposes-Wall-Street-Transparency-Via-Python >> > >> > If this becomes law, then I suppose there will be >> > lot of Python programmer openings in wall street and >> > could also create Python jobs in the services sector >> > here once these requirements gets outsourced (which >> > they will). Folks, prepare your CVs! :-)[..] >> >> Apart from the job creation and stuff, it'd be an interesting project >> to make a programming language that's used to specify legal >> requirements. If it takes off, the entire 'business rules' setup I >> imagine will be affected. >> > > If you don't think that as a huge business opportunity, I wonder > what kind of Python consultant you are ;-) > Tweeters, please tweet this if you already haven't. Let us drive some traffic to python dot org which apparently is already seeing increased traffic since this hit /. (The "Slashdot effect" maybe ?) I see this as a good boost for the language's popularity, if nothing else. > > >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> ~noufal >> http://nibrahim.net.in >> _______________________________________________ >> BangPypers mailing list >> BangPypers at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> > > > > -- > --Anand > > > > -- --Anand From venkat83 at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 08:39:55 2010 From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:09:55 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpillai at gmail.com> wrote: > > Tweeters, please tweet this if you already haven't. Let us drive > some traffic to python dot org which apparently is already > seeing increased traffic since this hit /. (The "Slashdot effect" maybe ?) > > I see this as a good boost for the language's popularity, if nothing > else. > > Very true. Was just about to say this. Hope 'django' also gets a suitable boost. -V- http://twitter.com/venkasub From noufal at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 08:41:30 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:11:30 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: [..] > ?If you don't think that as a huge business opportunity, I wonder > ?what kind of Python consultant you are ;-)[..] Oh. I do. It's just that I recently needed to implement a simple business rule engine http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2009-December/003262.html and spent some time thinking about how to map the non-technical users more expressive but less accurate English specification into the more rigorous but less flexible programming language specification. This has some parallels to that. Legal documents are a little more convenient though since they are often (in my experience) structured into "declaration" section (Foo is Leasor, Bar is Lessee etc.) and then a set of constraints that establish relationships between the defined entities. Apart from the $$$ angle, I think there's a lot of interesting technical stuff going on here as well. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 10:18:25 2010 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:48:25 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpillai at gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < > abpillai at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Noufal Ibrahim > wrote: > > > >> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai > >> wrote: > >> > SEC has found a way to set right those marauding > >> > bankers on Wall street by considering the use > >> > of programming languages to specify legal requirements. > >> > And the language of choice ? - Python! > >> > > >> > > >> > http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/04/19/2114251/SEC-Proposes-Wall-Street-Transparency-Via-Python > >> > > >> > If this becomes law, then I suppose there will be > Whoa! what becomes law ? From what i can understand it primarily refers to the preferred mechanism of documenting complex waterfall provisions, in fiscal projections. >> > lot of Python programmer openings in wall street and > >> > could also create Python jobs in the services sector > >> > here once these requirements gets outsourced (which > >> > they will). Folks, prepare your CVs! :-)[..] > For what ? Are we getting far too ahead of ourselves. Any ballpark quantification of "lot of Python programmer openings" ? This is in the field of fiscal modeling, not actual business applications (to the extent that they are often but not necessarily distinct >> > >> Apart from the job creation and stuff, it'd be an interesting project > >> to make a programming language that's used to specify legal > >> requirements. If it takes off, the entire 'business rules' setup I > >> imagine will be affected. > >> > > I don't see a normal business transaction processing runtime getting influenced particularly. Python is a candidate for replacing what otherwise is likely to be done through excel spreadsheets and then resummarised using English. > > > > If you don't think that as a huge business opportunity, I wonder > > what kind of Python consultant you are ;-) > > > > Tweeters, please tweet this if you already haven't. Let us drive > some traffic to python dot org which apparently is already > seeing increased traffic since this hit /. (The "Slashdot effect" maybe ?) > > I see this as a good boost for the language's popularity, if nothing > else. > > Are we getting way ahead by reading too much into this ? -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 10:20:34 2010 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:50:34 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai > wrote: > [..] > > If you don't think that as a huge business opportunity, I wonder > > what kind of Python consultant you are ;-)[..] > > Oh. I do. > > It's just that I recently needed to implement a simple business rule > engine > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2009-December/003262.html > and spent some time thinking about how to map the non-technical users > more expressive but less accurate English specification into the more > rigorous but less flexible programming language specification. This > has some parallels to that. > > Legal documents are a little more convenient though since they are > often (in my experience) structured into "declaration" section (Foo is > Leasor, Bar is Lessee etc.) and then a set of constraints that > establish relationships between the defined entities. > > Apart from the $$$ angle, I think there's a lot of interesting > technical stuff going on here as well. > > I am not contesting the above as much as trying to understand where's the $$$ and whats the interesting technical stuff here ? I haven't seen it yet. Dhananjay -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene From noufal at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 10:23:19 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:53:19 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: [..] >> I don't see a normal business transaction processing runtime getting > influenced particularly. Python is a candidate for replacing what otherwise > is likely to be done through excel spreadsheets and then resummarised using > English.[..] I'm not particularly clued in about the financial markets but once you specify something in Python, you'll have to have a (restricted) parser, then tie up the parsed executable structures into the rest of your application. I don't expect people to convert in back into English but there will, at the very least, be a need for Python specific training. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From pasokan at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 10:30:28 2010 From: pasokan at gmail.com (Asokan Pichai) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:00:28 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 26 April 2010 13:53, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: [snipped] > I don't expect people to convert in back into English but there will, > at the very least, be a need for Python specific training. This reminded me of something I read: here it is http://www.ymeme.com/will-hartungs-guerilla-lisp-opus.html -- Asokan Pichai *-------------------* We will find a way. Or, make one. (Hannibal) From abpillai at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 10:32:30 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:02:30 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < > abpillai at gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < > > abpillai at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Noufal Ibrahim > > wrote: > > > > > >> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai > > >> wrote: > > >> > SEC has found a way to set right those marauding > > >> > bankers on Wall street by considering the use > > >> > of programming languages to specify legal requirements. > > >> > And the language of choice ? - Python! > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/04/19/2114251/SEC-Proposes-Wall-Street-Transparency-Via-Python > > >> > > > >> > If this becomes law, then I suppose there will be > > > > Whoa! what becomes law ? From what i can understand it primarily refers to > the preferred mechanism of documenting complex waterfall provisions, in > fiscal projections. > > >> > lot of Python programmer openings in wall street and > > >> > could also create Python jobs in the services sector > > >> > here once these requirements gets outsourced (which > > >> > they will). Folks, prepare your CVs! :-)[..] > > > > For what ? Are we getting far too ahead of ourselves. Any ballpark > quantification of "lot of Python programmer openings" ? This is in the > field > of fiscal modeling, not actual business applications (to the extent that > they are often but not necessarily distinct > That was a tongue-in-cheek response. You didn't see the smiley at the end ? Btw, we are too early to guess-estimate any Python programmer openings, but I was just having some fun when I wrote about it. Surely, if SEC finally goes ahead and proposes Python as its primary language of choice for such models, it doesn't need much guess work to see that there will be demands for people with talent in business rules and Python. > > >> > > >> Apart from the job creation and stuff, it'd be an interesting project > > >> to make a programming language that's used to specify legal > > >> requirements. If it takes off, the entire 'business rules' setup I > > >> imagine will be affected. > > >> > > > > I don't see a normal business transaction processing runtime getting > influenced particularly. Python is a candidate for replacing what otherwise > is likely to be done through excel spreadsheets and then resummarised using > English. > > > > > > > > If you don't think that as a huge business opportunity, I wonder > > > what kind of Python consultant you are ;-) > > > > > > > Tweeters, please tweet this if you already haven't. Let us drive > > some traffic to python dot org which apparently is already > > seeing increased traffic since this hit /. (The "Slashdot effect" maybe > ?) > > > > I see this as a good boost for the language's popularity, if nothing > > else. > > > > > Are we getting way ahead by reading too much into this ? > Yeah, maybe we are. But surely if you can't see the humour in trying to use an open source language in specifying the requirements of what was mostly very difficult to understand requirements (which enabled these bankers to sell toxic assets packaging them into very attractive market instruments), then so be it. > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------- > blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com > twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- --Anand From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 10:35:37 2010 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:05:37 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Dhananjay Nene > wrote: > [..] > >> I don't see a normal business transaction processing runtime getting > > influenced particularly. Python is a candidate for replacing what > otherwise > > is likely to be done through excel spreadsheets and then resummarised > using > > English.[..] > > I'm not particularly clued in about the financial markets but once you > specify something in Python, you'll have to have a (restricted) > parser, then tie up the parsed executable structures into the rest of > your application. > I think I understand what this is for. Let me give you an example. In a grossly oversimplified scenario, lets say you borrow 1000 Rs. from Bank A at 10% and 2000 Rs. Bank B at 15% with the caveat that when you repay it back you will first always repay Bank A (if you made enough money to do so) and then you will repay Bank B (if you have anything left over). Now you want to file a statement with SEBI (our local SEC) indicating your future cashflows. Then you need to make it apparent and clear how and under what conditions what monies will go to bank A and B. This "description" of your projected fiscals will go into your SEC filings usually in English Legalese. This will include what if you lose 500 rs, make no money, make 500, make 1500, make 2500 etc. (since it will influence each debt holder very differently). The problem is the simple situation above gets terribly complex with more parties (and usually equity players not just debtors in the picture). That time the filing document which is a legal document can get really complex and error prone. What is being talked about here is that the filing documents will have parts of section in Python instead of English. The likely time the program will be run is when you are evaluating whether to invest in or get into other business relationships with the company which filed these documents. The python program can help you do your own what if analysis. (My conjecture is that someone will ask a python developer to convert the python program into an excel spreadsheet at this stage :) and conduct some what if analysis if required.) I do not see the candidate field of use for parser or to use this into some other program at this stage (unless I am just invisible to the opportunities here). > I don't expect people to convert in back into English but there will, > at the very least, be a need for Python specific training. > > To a certain extent yes - but may not be such a big deal. > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene From abpillai at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 10:38:54 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:08:54 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > >> >> >> Whoa! what becomes law ? From what i can understand it primarily refers to >> the preferred mechanism of documenting complex waterfall provisions, in >> fiscal projections. >> > I downloaded the PDF from the SEC web-site and here are the relevant lines from it. The asset-level information would be provided according to proposed standards and in a tagged data format using eXtensible Markup Language (XML). In addition, we are proposing to require, along with the prospectus filing, the filing of a computer program of the contractual cash flow provisions expressed as downloadable source code in Python, a commonly used open source interpretive programming language. Interesting to see that they want to use open technologies for this. The word "law" was used very leniently. Come on, we are not lawyers here, give me a break and don't hang on to every word. If you don't like it, read it as "proposal" or "specification", which it is. >> -- --Anand From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 10:40:21 2010 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:10:21 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpillai at gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Dhananjay Nene >wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < > > abpillai at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < > > > abpillai at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Noufal Ibrahim > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > SEC has found a way to set right those marauding > > > >> > bankers on Wall street by considering the use > > > >> > of programming languages to specify legal requirements. > > > >> > And the language of choice ? - Python! > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/04/19/2114251/SEC-Proposes-Wall-Street-Transparency-Via-Python > > > >> > > > > >> > If this becomes law, then I suppose there will be > > > > > > > Whoa! what becomes law ? From what i can understand it primarily refers > to > > the preferred mechanism of documenting complex waterfall provisions, in > > fiscal projections. > > > > >> > lot of Python programmer openings in wall street and > > > >> > could also create Python jobs in the services sector > > > >> > here once these requirements gets outsourced (which > > > >> > they will). Folks, prepare your CVs! :-)[..] > > > > > > > For what ? Are we getting far too ahead of ourselves. Any ballpark > > quantification of "lot of Python programmer openings" ? This is in the > > field > > of fiscal modeling, not actual business applications (to the extent that > > they are often but not necessarily distinct > > > > That was a tongue-in-cheek response. You didn't see the smiley > at the end ? Ahh.. missed it :) > Btw, we are too early to guess-estimate any Python > programmer openings, but I was just having some fun when I wrote > about it. Surely, if SEC finally goes ahead and proposes Python > as its primary language of choice for such models, it doesn't > need much guess work to see that there will be demands for > people with talent in business rules and Python. > Business rules ? Thats probably a bigger scope than just saying fiscal models and projections. The former could be interpreted to be useful in a variety of scenarios, where as the latter is what is the primary focus here. > > > > > > >> > > > >> Apart from the job creation and stuff, it'd be an interesting > project > > > >> to make a programming language that's used to specify legal > > > >> requirements. If it takes off, the entire 'business rules' setup I > > > >> imagine will be affected. > > > >> > > > > > > I don't see a normal business transaction processing runtime getting > > influenced particularly. Python is a candidate for replacing what > otherwise > > is likely to be done through excel spreadsheets and then resummarised > using > > English. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you don't think that as a huge business opportunity, I wonder > > > > what kind of Python consultant you are ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Tweeters, please tweet this if you already haven't. Let us drive > > > some traffic to python dot org which apparently is already > > > seeing increased traffic since this hit /. (The "Slashdot effect" > maybe > > ?) > > > > > > I see this as a good boost for the language's popularity, if nothing > > > else. > > > > > > > > Are we getting way ahead by reading too much into this ? > > > > Yeah, maybe we are. But surely if you can't see the humour in > trying to use an open source language in specifying the > requirements of what was mostly very difficult to understand > requirements (which enabled these bankers to sell toxic assets > packaging them into very attractive market instruments), then > so be it. > > Oh, I was excited at the thought. But more as someone interested in finance not so much as a python programmer. :) Dhananjay > > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------- > > blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com > > twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > -- > --Anand > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 10:44:58 2010 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:14:58 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpillai at gmail.com> wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Dhananjay Nene < > dhananjay.nene at gmail.com>wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Whoa! what becomes law ? From what i can understand it primarily refers > to > >> the preferred mechanism of documenting complex waterfall provisions, in > >> fiscal projections. > >> > > > > I downloaded the PDF from the SEC web-site and here are the > relevant lines from it. > > > The word "law" was used very leniently. Come on, we are not lawyers > here, give me a break and don't hang on to every word. If you > don't like it, read it as "proposal" or "specification", which it is. > > Didn't mean to convey that sentiment of hanging onto the words. There's some good stuff of academic interest here. . Was essentially trying to communicate that I don't know if its such a important event at least from the commercial prospects perspectives of python development. That was the essence of my thoughts. > > >> > -- > --Anand > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 10:55:14 2010 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:25:14 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpillai at gmail.com> wrote: > SEC has found a way to set right those marauding > bankers on Wall street by considering the use > of programming languages to specify legal requirements. > And the language of choice ? - Python! > > > http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/04/19/2114251/SEC-Proposes-Wall-Street-Transparency-Via-Python > > > I do see one strong plus here for Python. That is a very natural language for expression (as in being one of the most readable programming languages for non programmers) without resorting to any specific DSLs etc. -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene From rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 11:01:30 2010 From: rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com (Rajeev J Sebastian) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:31:30 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > Didn't mean to convey that sentiment of hanging onto the words. There's some > good stuff of academic interest here. . Was essentially trying to > communicate that I don't know if its such a important event at least from > the commercial prospects perspectives of python development. That was the > essence of my thoughts. If the code is intended to run (perhaps in the Python shell), then you will need Python programmers. Some of that work will trickle down to India. So it's pretty important from a commercial point of view, seeing as it's (possibly/in future) legally mandated that the code be in Python. Regards Rajeev J Sebastian From sirtaj at sirtaj.net Mon Apr 26 11:48:22 2010 From: sirtaj at sirtaj.net (Sirtaj Singh Kang) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 15:18:22 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <048CE774-2AC3-4617-B305-66B107D08D75@sirtaj.net> On 26-Apr-10, at 2:25 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: [snip] >> I do see one strong plus here for Python. That is a very natural >> language > for expression (as in being one of the most readable programming > languages > for non programmers) without resorting to any specific DSLs etc. On the contrary, I think treating python as a DSL host (as some are implying here) is not such a great idea. In my experience the language is not so good at allowing small languages to be embedded without resorting to lisp-like nested lists/tuples. This is not a deal- breaker of course, and this decision to use Python is a sensible, pragmatic one (lots of python programmers around, financial/ statistical libraries are available and mature etc) but IMHO a more declarative language would have been nicer from a provability standpoint. Being able to write programs that reason about the contracts is very important and trying to do it for a general purpose language like python will be difficult. I think over time once smart contract research becomes more mature (there are already lots of research papers available) we'll see more declarative languages being used for this instead, with python becoming the de-facto support language to build tools around them. Meanwhile, I'll repeat something I say far too much but anyway: domain knowledge is just as important as programming chops. Folks who want to get in on the ground floor with these kinds of applications of python should start learning the vocabulary and process flows of finance ASAP. -Taj. From noufal at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 12:02:05 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 15:32:05 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: <048CE774-2AC3-4617-B305-66B107D08D75@sirtaj.net> References: <048CE774-2AC3-4617-B305-66B107D08D75@sirtaj.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang wrote: [..] > Meanwhile, I'll repeat something I say far too much but anyway: domain > knowledge is just as important as programming chops. Folks who want to get > in on the ground floor with these kinds of applications of python should > start learning the vocabulary and process flows of finance ASAP. [..] Very valid point! -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 12:16:47 2010 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 15:46:47 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: <048CE774-2AC3-4617-B305-66B107D08D75@sirtaj.net> References: <048CE774-2AC3-4617-B305-66B107D08D75@sirtaj.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang wrote: > > On 26-Apr-10, at 2:25 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > [snip] > > I do see one strong plus here for Python. That is a very natural language >>> >> for expression (as in being one of the most readable programming languages >> for non programmers) without resorting to any specific DSLs etc. >> > > On the contrary, I think treating python as a DSL host (as some are > implying here) is not such a great idea. Not sure how it got misunderstood but I meant python is easily understandable "without" resorting to DSLs etc. What I specifically meant to state is that perhaps it might be easier to write code which ie easier to understand than python - but that is more likely to involve a DSL rather than just a natural programming language. > In my experience the language is not so good at allowing small languages to > be embedded without resorting to lisp-like nested lists/tuples. I agree. Python is not the first language of choice for writing internal DSLs. This is not a deal-breaker of course, and this decision to use Python is a > sensible, pragmatic one (lots of python programmers around, > financial/statistical libraries are available and mature etc) but IMHO a > more declarative language would have been nicer from a provability > standpoint. Being able to write programs that reason about the contracts is > very important and trying to do it for a general purpose language like > python will be difficult. > I think a DSL based contract (or more precisely waterfall specification) may be more concise and self descriptive. But that would require a definition of a new language grammar. However reasoning about the contracts is not in the scope of the SEC specification. The scope is (in my understanding) a clear communication of the how the waterfall implications are worked out (eg. how much does each stakeholder get paid and what are the conditions under which that gets decided) and at least in terms of standard programming languages Python does pretty well. > > I think over time once smart contract research becomes more mature (there > are already lots of research papers available) we'll see more declarative > languages being used for this instead, with python becoming the de-facto > support language to build tools around them. > > Meanwhile, I'll repeat something I say far too much but anyway: domain > knowledge is just as important as programming chops. Folks who want to get > in on the ground floor with these kinds of applications of python should > start learning the vocabulary and process flows of finance ASAP. > > -Taj. Dhananjay -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 12:21:21 2010 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 15:51:21 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: <048CE774-2AC3-4617-B305-66B107D08D75@sirtaj.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang wrote: > >> >> This is not a deal-breaker of course, and this decision to use Python is >> a sensible, pragmatic one (lots of python programmers around, >> financial/statistical libraries are available and mature etc) but IMHO a >> more declarative language would have been nicer from a provability >> standpoint. Being able to write programs that reason about the contracts is >> very important and trying to do it for a general purpose language like >> python will be difficult. >> > > I think a DSL based contract (or more precisely waterfall specification) > may be more concise and self descriptive. But that would require a > definition of a new language grammar. However ***reasoning*** about the > contracts is not in the scope of the SEC specification. The scope is (in my > understanding) a clear communication of the how the waterfall implications > are worked out (eg. how much does each stakeholder get paid and what are the > conditions under which that gets decided) and at least in terms of standard > programming languages Python does pretty well. > > > To further clarify what I meant when I said reasoning was further what if analysis. I anticipate eventually that will find its way into excel or something else that end users are most comfortable with. > > Dhananjay > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------- > blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com > twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene > -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene From abpillai at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 12:42:54 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:12:54 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: <048CE774-2AC3-4617-B305-66B107D08D75@sirtaj.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang >wrote: > > > > > On 26-Apr-10, at 2:25 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > > [snip] > > > > I do see one strong plus here for Python. That is a very natural > language > >>> > >> for expression (as in being one of the most readable programming > languages > >> for non programmers) without resorting to any specific DSLs etc. > >> > > > > On the contrary, I think treating python as a DSL host (as some are > > implying here) is not such a great idea. > > > Not sure how it got misunderstood but I meant python is easily > understandable "without" resorting to DSLs etc. What I specifically meant > to > state is that perhaps it might be easier to write code which ie easier to > understand than python - but that is more likely to involve a DSL rather > than just a natural programming language. > > > > In my experience the language is not so good at allowing small languages > to > > be embedded without resorting to lisp-like nested lists/tuples. > > > I agree. Python is not the first language of choice for writing internal > DSLs. > > This is not a deal-breaker of course, and this decision to use Python is a > > sensible, pragmatic one (lots of python programmers around, > > financial/statistical libraries are available and mature etc) but IMHO a > > more declarative language would have been nicer from a provability > > standpoint. Being able to write programs that reason about the contracts > is > > very important and trying to do it for a general purpose language like > > python will be difficult. > > > > I think a DSL based contract (or more precisely waterfall specification) > may > be more concise and self descriptive. But that would require a definition > of > a new language grammar. However reasoning about the contracts is not in > the > scope of the SEC specification. The scope is (in my understanding) a clear > communication of the how the waterfall implications are worked out (eg. how > much does each stakeholder get paid and what are the conditions under which > that gets decided) and at least in terms of standard programming languages > Python does pretty well. > Precisely. The program that SEC mentions is a "waterfall program" which calculates which investor gets paid first, second etc, when and how much etc in monetizing a commercial mortgage backed security asset. I read through the relevant sections of the SEC PDF and this does not look like it needs a DSL contract but more of routine programming. > > > > > > I think over time once smart contract research becomes more mature (there > > are already lots of research papers available) we'll see more declarative > > languages being used for this instead, with python becoming the de-facto > > support language to build tools around them. > > > > Meanwhile, I'll repeat something I say far too much but anyway: domain > > knowledge is just as important as programming chops. Folks who want to > get > > in on the ground floor with these kinds of applications of python should > > start learning the vocabulary and process flows of finance ASAP. > +1. Btw, I am not sure if the requirements will get diluted to Excel etc later since the filing is very clear on open source technologies and mentions "Python" exactly 15 times. The requirements seem to be very clear on an open source, interpreted programming language which is unlike a closd, binary executable machine program. > > > > -Taj. > > > > Dhananjay > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------- > blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com > twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- --Anand From sirtaj at sirtaj.net Mon Apr 26 12:43:07 2010 From: sirtaj at sirtaj.net (Sirtaj Singh Kang) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:13:07 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: <048CE774-2AC3-4617-B305-66B107D08D75@sirtaj.net> Message-ID: On 26-Apr-10, at 3:46 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: [snip] > > I think a DSL based contract (or more precisely waterfall > specification) may > be more concise and self descriptive. But that would require a > definition of > a new language grammar. However reasoning about the contracts is > not in the > scope of the SEC specification. The scope is (in my understanding) a > clear > communication of the how the waterfall implications are worked out > (eg. how > much does each stakeholder get paid and what are the conditions > under which > that gets decided) and at least in terms of standard programming > languages > Python does pretty well. Well the question I'm asking is, what are the implicit qualifications of the humans who are going to interpret these specifications? I see two profiles: 1) Financial, actuarial and legal experts with some programming experience. 2) Programming experts with financial, actuarial and legal experience. While there are people who fit both these profiles, there is a reason they get paid high-six figure USD salaries. Python alone is fine, but consider bog-standard recurring financial patterns like compound interest and graduated tax brackets. These imply functions that will occur often in these specifications, further implying (de- facto-)standard libraries containing highly domain-specific financial routines will be written. These are already embedded proto-DSLs! So you're not side-stepping DSLs by using python, only hiding them in plain sight. But you are not necessarily gaining the benefits of using an independent, well-specified declarative grammar the primary one being that you are possibly burdening non-programmers with general purpose programming constructs that are not their primary focus. There is a reason so many finance guys use R and (gah!) Excel to do their financial modelling - they are not interested in programming. Anyhow I'll stop here, I understand that the SEC requires only a subset of what I'm talking about, but the scope for these kinds of agreements goes well past the SEC and is something worth studying and implementing in its own right for fun and profit. -Taj. From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 13:14:32 2010 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:44:32 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: <048CE774-2AC3-4617-B305-66B107D08D75@sirtaj.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpillai at gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Dhananjay Nene >wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang > >wrote: > > > This is not a deal-breaker of course, and this decision to use Python is > a > > > sensible, pragmatic one (lots of python programmers around, > > > financial/statistical libraries are available and mature etc) but IMHO > a > > > more declarative language would have been nicer from a provability > > > standpoint. Being able to write programs that reason about the > contracts > > is > > > very important and trying to do it for a general purpose language like > > > python will be difficult. > > > > > > > I think a DSL based contract (or more precisely waterfall specification) > > may > > be more concise and self descriptive. But that would require a definition > > of > > a new language grammar. However reasoning about the contracts is not in > > the > > scope of the SEC specification. The scope is (in my understanding) a > clear > > communication of the how the waterfall implications are worked out (eg. > how > > much does each stakeholder get paid and what are the conditions under > which > > that gets decided) and at least in terms of standard programming > languages > > Python does pretty well. > > > > Precisely. The program that SEC mentions is a "waterfall program" which > calculates which investor gets paid first, second etc, when and how much > etc > > in monetizing a commercial mortgage backed security asset. I read > through the relevant sections of the SEC PDF and this does not look > like it needs a DSL contract but more of routine programming. > Apologies at persisting in this .. but I do think it is a very unconventional usecase for programs to be used as specifications. The scenario here is that the program (as in the python code) is the means of communication - it is *not necessarily* a runtime construct. Organisation A models its understanding of the various fiscal implications and publishes as a appendix of python code in a document. This document is filed with SEC and then finds its way to Organisation B. In a very strange situation here "the code is the specification of understanding" and replaces "english legalese as a specification of understanding". > > > I think over time once smart contract research becomes more mature > (there > > > are already lots of research papers available) we'll see more > declarative > > > languages being used for this instead, with python becoming the > de-facto > > > support language to build tools around them. > > > > > > Meanwhile, I'll repeat something I say far too much but anyway: domain > > > knowledge is just as important as programming chops. Folks who want to > > get > > > in on the ground floor with these kinds of applications of python > should > > > start learning the vocabulary and process flows of finance ASAP. > > > > +1. Btw, I am not sure if the requirements will get diluted to Excel > etc later since the filing is very clear on open source technologies > and mentions "Python" exactly 15 times. Need not necessarily be excel. If I am a member of Organisation B - I could use the document in a number of ways. eg. a. Just run the python program and hopefully it meets my needs. b. I might call up my python consultant and ask him to convert it into my preferred format (excel? :)) so that I can do some "playing around". c. I might have a bunch of inhouse six figure earning PhDs who might break it to pieces and come back with an exciting looking PPT after doing some deep map-reduce jobs :) or may further use an outsourced developer who may create a program for me to do some senstivity analysis. When I say excel - I mean in the preferred format of the user. For small users excel is simply the most easiest amenable sensitivity analysis tool. Python ain't replacing that. *The key point is python as the host language for specification here is a far more important aspect than python as the runtime environment to actually run the code in. * > The requirements seem > to be very clear on an open source, interpreted programming language > which is unlike a closd, binary executable machine program. > In case of option a above : Python is merely the host language and is as good as any so long as a reliable, well understood and trusted runtime is readily available (which is why I guess it focuses on the openness). -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene From rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 13:17:33 2010 From: rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com (Rajeev J Sebastian) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:47:33 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: <048CE774-2AC3-4617-B305-66B107D08D75@sirtaj.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang wrote: > > On 26-Apr-10, at 3:46 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > [snip] >> >> I think a DSL based contract (or more precisely waterfall specification) >> may >> be more concise and self descriptive. But that would require a definition >> of >> a new language grammar. ?However reasoning about the contracts is not in >> the >> scope of the SEC specification. The scope is (in my understanding) a clear >> communication of the how the waterfall implications are worked out (eg. >> how >> much does each stakeholder get paid and what are the conditions under >> which >> that gets decided) and at least in terms of standard programming languages >> Python does pretty well. > > Well the question I'm asking is, what are the implicit qualifications of the > humans who are going to interpret these specifications? I see two profiles: > > 1) Financial, actuarial and legal experts with some programming experience. > 2) Programming experts with financial, actuarial and legal experience. > > While there are people who fit both these profiles, there is a reason they > get paid high-six figure USD salaries. Python alone is fine, but consider > bog-standard recurring financial patterns like compound interest and > graduated tax brackets. These imply functions that will occur often in these > specifications, further implying (de-facto-)standard libraries containing > highly domain-specific financial routines will be written. These are already > embedded proto-DSLs! So you're not side-stepping DSLs by using python, only > hiding them in plain sight. But you are not necessarily gaining the benefits > of using an independent, well-specified declarative grammar the primary one > being that you are possibly burdening non-programmers with general purpose > programming constructs that are not their primary focus. There is a reason > so many finance guys use R and (gah!) Excel to do their financial modelling > - they are not interested in programming. > > Anyhow I'll stop here, I understand that the SEC requires only a subset of > what I'm talking about, but the scope for these kinds of agreements goes > well past the SEC and is something worth studying and implementing in its > own right for fun and profit. With all due respect, I disagree that a DSL is useful for this purpose. In fact, I would disagree with DSLs in most cases, especially if its supposed to be used for programming. The reason for this is that creating a good language is much more harder than creating a language, and such efforts tend to end up with crappy languages. As an example, take the CMAKE language (vs something like scons/waf). As a more specific example, take the way parameters are declared/passed to procedures/routines/functions in CMAKE vs how they are declared/passed in python. Python's is much more elegant, flexible and consistent. In their search for the perfect DSL for building software, they just made yet another (crappy) programming language. Regards Rajeev J Sebastian From noufal at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 13:23:05 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:53:05 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: <048CE774-2AC3-4617-B305-66B107D08D75@sirtaj.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: [..] > Apologies at persisting in this .. but I do think it is a very > unconventional usecase for programs to be used as specifications. > > The scenario here is that the program (as in the python code) is the means > of communication ?- it is *not necessarily* a runtime construct. > Organisation A models its understanding of the various fiscal implications > and publishes as a appendix of python code in a document. This document is > filed with SEC and then finds its way to Organisation B. In a very strange > situation here "the code is the specification of understanding" and replaces > "english legalese as a specification of understanding". [..] Which is why I feel there is opportunity here. This is not Python specific. I daresay they chose Python for it's simple syntax and lack of braces. However, once you have a specification of a process in precise executable format, it's possible to do this without involving human beings that was not possible with an English specification accompanied by a dude with a laptop and an excel sheet. Admittedly, he's more comfortable with the latter but if his bread and butter depend on the former, I think he'd change. The specification can be used to decide automatically if certain processes are compliant, it can be used to automatically create interfaces that allow people to work only within the constraints of the workflow etc. Python's introspective nature makes it easy to play with these specifications to tie it up into the larger machinery of the organisation and so I think apart from the clarity, there's a lot of potential for automation and removing clerical jobs. As for analysis, I'm sure some company will come up with an app that can automatically read out specifications from the website and present them in "Excel like" formats that you can play with. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From abpillai at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 13:41:46 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:11:46 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: <048CE774-2AC3-4617-B305-66B107D08D75@sirtaj.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Dhananjay Nene > wrote: > [..] > > Apologies at persisting in this .. but I do think it is a very > > unconventional usecase for programs to be used as specifications. > You must be kidding. This is one of the best discussions here in a while. Thanks for joining the conversation! > > > > The scenario here is that the program (as in the python code) is the > means > > of communication - it is *not necessarily* a runtime construct. > > Organisation A models its understanding of the various fiscal > implications > > and publishes as a appendix of python code in a document. This document > is > > filed with SEC and then finds its way to Organisation B. In a very > strange > > situation here "the code is the specification of understanding" and > replaces > > "english legalese as a specification of understanding". > [..] > > Which is why I feel there is opportunity here. > > This is not Python specific. I daresay they chose Python for it's > simple syntax and lack of braces. > > However, once you have a specification of a process in precise > executable format, it's possible to do this without involving human > beings that was not possible with an English specification accompanied > by a dude with a laptop and an excel sheet. Admittedly, he's more > comfortable with the latter but if his bread and butter depend on the > former, I think he'd change. > > The specification can be used to decide automatically if certain > processes are compliant, it can be used to automatically create > interfaces that allow people to work only within the constraints of > the workflow etc. > > Python's introspective nature makes it easy to play with these > specifications to tie it up into the larger machinery of the > organisation and so I think apart from the clarity, there's a lot of > potential for automation and removing clerical jobs. > > As for analysis, I'm sure some company will come up with an app that > can automatically read out specifications from the website and present > them in "Excel like" formats that you can play with. > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- --Anand From sirtaj at sirtaj.net Mon Apr 26 13:42:51 2010 From: sirtaj at sirtaj.net (Sirtaj Singh Kang) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:12:51 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: <048CE774-2AC3-4617-B305-66B107D08D75@sirtaj.net> Message-ID: <0EC39CDB-219D-4468-8003-50BF8C677409@sirtaj.net> On 26-Apr-10, at 4:47 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian wrote: [snip] > With all due respect, I disagree that a DSL is useful for this > purpose. In fact, I would disagree with DSLs in most cases, especially > if its supposed to be used for programming. The reason for this is > that creating a good language is much more harder than creating a > language, and such efforts tend to end up with crappy languages. > Your concern is valid, but I think you are underestimating the amount of effort already being put into creating platform-neutral DSLs for business, law and finance. Hint: an XML schema is a declarative specification of a DSL, albeit one with terrible, human-antagonistic syntax. Even the SEC document contains such a thing already, as Anand quoted in an earlier email in this thread. Here are some other examples: http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_cat.php?cat=lawgov http://www.legalxml.org/ http://www.service-architecture.com/xml/articles/finance_xml.html http://www.omg.org/technology/documents/br_pm_spec_catalog.htm What all these share in common is lack of human-friendly concrete syntax. That is the real problem to be solved, but it remains to be seen who will solve it and whether the vendors of eye-wateringly expensive middleware have the motivation to do so. -Taj. From lawgon at au-kbc.org Mon Apr 26 13:39:58 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:09:58 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004261709.59158.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Monday 26 Apr 2010 4:53:05 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Dhananjay Nene > wrote: > [..] > > > Apologies at persisting in this .. but I do think it is a very > > unconventional usecase for programs to be used as specifications. > this thread is very interesting - but are you people sure that the original article in question is not a joke? Or have you all read that 667 page pdf in which allegedly python is mentioned only on page 1? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 13:56:10 2010 From: rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com (Rajeev J Sebastian) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:26:10 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: <0EC39CDB-219D-4468-8003-50BF8C677409@sirtaj.net> References: <048CE774-2AC3-4617-B305-66B107D08D75@sirtaj.net> <0EC39CDB-219D-4468-8003-50BF8C677409@sirtaj.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang wrote: > > On 26-Apr-10, at 4:47 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian wrote: > [snip] >> >> With all due respect, I disagree that a DSL is useful for this >> purpose. In fact, I would disagree with DSLs in most cases, especially >> if its supposed to be used for programming. The reason for this is >> that creating a good language is much more harder than creating a >> language, and such efforts tend to end up with crappy languages. >> > > Your concern is valid, but I think you are underestimating the amount of > effort already being put into creating platform-neutral DSLs for business, > law and finance. I'm not underestimating it at all ... just ranting that it does happen as often as it does, when it shouldn't :P I'm very happy that the SEC will/may mandate the use of Python for this. Regards Rajeev J Sebastian From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 14:00:27 2010 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:30:27 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: <0EC39CDB-219D-4468-8003-50BF8C677409@sirtaj.net> References: <048CE774-2AC3-4617-B305-66B107D08D75@sirtaj.net> <0EC39CDB-219D-4468-8003-50BF8C677409@sirtaj.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang wrote: > > On 26-Apr-10, at 4:47 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian wrote: > [snip] > > With all due respect, I disagree that a DSL is useful for this >> purpose. In fact, I would disagree with DSLs in most cases, especially >> if its supposed to be used for programming. The reason for this is >> that creating a good language is much more harder than creating a >> language, and such efforts tend to end up with crappy languages. >> >> > Your concern is valid, but I think you are underestimating the amount of > effort already being put into creating platform-neutral DSLs for business, > law and finance. Hint: an XML schema is a declarative specification of a > DSL, albeit one with terrible, human-antagonistic syntax. Even the SEC > document contains such a thing already, as Anand quoted in an earlier email > in this thread. > [..] > > What all these share in common is lack of human-friendly concrete syntax. > That is the real problem to be solved, but it remains to be seen who will > solve it and whether the vendors of eye-wateringly expensive middleware have > the motivation to do so. > > -Taj. > > I would agree with Rajeev except to the extent of a minor nuancing of his statement. - " I disagree that a DSL is usefulpolitically practical for this purpose." Taj, the main issue isn't whether standardisation necessary for DSLs is feasible - but the sheer amount of effort, time, political bickerings, and heat that accompanies it. If one uses python we save that entire diversion which if carried to its natural conclusion would be useful, but is just too expensive to carry to its natural conclusion. Moreover, lets say next time one wants to use a precise semantics for something thats not related to waterfall implications - the process is started all over again. Each time. Thats what agreeing on python saves, despite the fact that it may not be as reflective of the underlying domain and therefore as natural in its communication as a python program. I think the organisations which publish or consume such fiscal modeling constructs could encourage investigation of whether a DSL is better for internal communication - but agreeing upon a DSL for universal (ie. subject to the universe addressed by SEC) consistency (which is what SEC filings are for) is likely to be far more painful than any benefits it might reap. - Dhananjay -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 14:05:47 2010 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:35:47 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: <201004261709.59158.lawgon@au-kbc.org> References: <201004261709.59158.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Monday 26 Apr 2010 4:53:05 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Dhananjay Nene > > wrote: > > [..] > > > > > Apologies at persisting in this .. but I do think it is a very > > > unconventional usecase for programs to be used as specifications. > > > > this thread is very interesting - but are you people sure that the original > article in question is not a joke? Or have you all read that 667 page pdf > in > which allegedly python is mentioned only on page 1? > > I am sure the article is unlikely to be a joke. The post which the slashdot post referred to ie. http://jrvarma.wordpress.com/2010/04/16/the-sec-and-the-python/ is written by Prof. J R Verma, a gentleman who I had the very good fortune of studying under, and who is a very senior figure in the Indian financial scene. The post by Prof. Verma also incidentally mentions Python is mentioned on Page 205. :) And FWIW - no, I didn't read the 667 page PDF :) -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene From noufal at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 14:12:50 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:42:50 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: <201004261709.59158.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: [..] > And FWIW - no, I didn't read the 667 page PDF :) Given that it's a /. link, it's cultural to not RTFA and just pontificate about it (especially if it's a 667 page pdf). :) -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From sirtaj at sirtaj.net Mon Apr 26 14:16:27 2010 From: sirtaj at sirtaj.net (Sirtaj Singh Kang) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:46:27 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: <048CE774-2AC3-4617-B305-66B107D08D75@sirtaj.net> <0EC39CDB-219D-4468-8003-50BF8C677409@sirtaj.net> Message-ID: <75C58F36-2E23-4A3C-BFFA-9F7EE6F8F107@sirtaj.net> On 26-Apr-10, at 5:30 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: [snip] > Taj, the main issue isn't whether standardisation necessary for DSLs > is > feasible - but the sheer amount of effort, time, political > bickerings, and > heat that accompanies it. If one uses python we save that entire > diversion > which if carried to its natural conclusion would be useful, but is > just too > expensive to carry to its natural conclusion. Oh I agree completely; as I wrote in my first response to this thread, this is a pragmatic solution that goes part of the way to the ideal. A halfway solution that actually gets used is better than a perfect one that never leaves the standards body. A similar situation that I was discussing recently is the credit card secure code solution that was adopted surprisingly smoothly - it's not a great solution but the ideal mechanism would have never been adopted. Still, it helps to be prepared for the eventuality of folks wanting more than these waterfall programs for exchange of financial contracts. When it happens, the prepared people are going to be ahead, like all the folks who patiently waited all this time for their favourite FP languages to become relevant. ;) -Taj. From pasokan at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 14:20:32 2010 From: pasokan at gmail.com (Asokan Pichai) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:50:32 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: <048CE774-2AC3-4617-B305-66B107D08D75@sirtaj.net> Message-ID: On 26 April 2010 16:44, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < > abpillai at gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Dhananjay Nene > >wrote: >> >> > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang > > >wrote: >> >> > This is not a deal-breaker of course, and this decision to use Python is >> a >> > > sensible, pragmatic one (lots of python programmers around, >> > > financial/statistical libraries are available and mature etc) but IMHO >> a >> > > more declarative language would have been nicer from a provability >> > > standpoint. Being able to write programs that reason about the >> contracts >> > is >> > > very important and trying to do it for a general purpose language like >> > > python will be difficult. >> > > >> > >> > I think a DSL based contract (or more precisely waterfall specification) >> > may >> > be more concise and self descriptive. But that would require a definition >> > of >> > a new language grammar. ?However reasoning about the contracts is not in >> > the >> > scope of the SEC specification. The scope is (in my understanding) a >> clear >> > communication of the how the waterfall implications are worked out (eg. >> how >> > much does each stakeholder get paid and what are the conditions under >> which >> > that gets decided) and at least in terms of standard programming >> languages >> > Python does pretty well. >> > >> >> Precisely. The program that SEC mentions is a "waterfall program" which >> calculates which investor gets paid first, second etc, when and how much >> etc >> >> in monetizing a commercial mortgage backed security asset. I read >> through the relevant sections of the SEC PDF and this does not look >> like it needs a DSL contract but more of routine programming. >> > > Apologies at persisting in this .. but I do think it is a very > unconventional usecase for programs to be used as specifications. > I understood the Python program as a means to play around with asset allocations to try and figure out what would be alternative scenarios and not as spec. Re_reading what I wrote, it _is_ a spec :-$ A spec of what is supposed to happen. Well, Python as executable spec! [SNIPPED] -- Asokan Pichai *-------------------* We will find a way. Or, make one. (Hannibal) From abpillai at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 14:22:49 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:52:49 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: <201004261709.59158.lawgon@au-kbc.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves >wrote: > > > On Monday 26 Apr 2010 4:53:05 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Dhananjay Nene > > > wrote: > > > [..] > > > > > > > Apologies at persisting in this .. but I do think it is a very > > > > unconventional usecase for programs to be used as specifications. > > > > > > > this thread is very interesting - but are you people sure that the > original > > article in question is not a joke? Or have you all read that 667 page pdf > > in > > which allegedly python is mentioned only on page 1? > > > > > I am sure the article is unlikely to be a joke. The post which the slashdot > post referred to ie. > http://jrvarma.wordpress.com/2010/04/16/the-sec-and-the-python/ is written > by Prof. J R Verma, a gentleman who I had the very good fortune of studying > under, and who is a very senior figure in the Indian financial scene. The > post by Prof. Verma also incidentally mentions Python is mentioned on Page > 205. :) > > And FWIW - no, I didn't read the 667 page PDF :) > I downloaded it and went through it, counting the # of times Python is mentioned as an exercise . It is not a joke and Python is mentioned not only in page 1, but in pages 6, 18, 205, 206, 210, 212, 213, 214, 216, 217, 316, 428 and 489 - so that there is no doubt :) It is easy. The link is below, just download and verify yourselves. http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/2010/33-9117.pdf > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------- > blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com > twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- --Anand From mail at manishsinha.net Mon Apr 26 20:47:36 2010 From: mail at manishsinha.net (Manish Sinha) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 00:17:36 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] python supports frameworks ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BD5DFC8.7070801@manishsinha.net> On 4/26/2010 7:53 AM, jaya kumar wrote: > when we using php we can embedded the code of html, and java script and > mysql bcoz it supports mulit language > I would like to answer to this. You don't embed html and javascript in php code. Right? Let me explain in dead simple language: Javascript, php/python, html all can coexist. Python/php code is executed at the server and some content is generated which is sent back to the client which contains HTML+Javascript. Now on client, Javcascript is executed and hence you get an output. Just like Noufal said - Read a little more on templating. Even python has templating. I can't say about the best ones as I don't have much experience in Python web development. -- Manish Sinha From lawgon at au-kbc.org Tue Apr 27 07:16:10 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 10:46:10 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] python supports frameworks ? In-Reply-To: <4BD5DFC8.7070801@manishsinha.net> References: <4BD5DFC8.7070801@manishsinha.net> Message-ID: <201004271046.10256.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Tuesday 27 Apr 2010 12:17:36 am Manish Sinha wrote: > Just like Noufal said - Read a little more on templating. Even python > has templating. I can't say about the best ones as I don't have much > experience in Python web development. > cheetah, jinja, django templating, and hundreds more -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From lawgon at au-kbc.org Tue Apr 27 07:54:12 2010 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:24:12 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Wall street may embrace Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201004271124.12909.lawgon@au-kbc.org> On Monday 26 Apr 2010 5:52:49 pm Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > And FWIW - no, I didn't read the 667 page PDF :) > > I downloaded it and went through it, counting the # of times Python > is mentioned as an exercise . It is not a joke and Python is mentioned > not only in page 1, but in pages 6, 18, 205, 206, 210, 212, 213, 214, 216, > 217, 316, 428 and 489 - so that there is no doubt :) > > It is easy. The link is below, just download and verify yourselves. > well I have read it, and realise it is not a joke. Of course the people who wrote it do not have a very good understanding of open source (and even do not know how to spell perl). For those who have not read it, here is a summary of what they propose. 1. A company issuing a prospectus has a computer model for predicting various scenarios depending on the various factors input. Based on this model they price things and promise returns etc. There are many many factors to be input. 2. This computer program should be made available to the investing public as part of the prospectus so that they can test out by inputting their variables 3. The program should not be in executable form as that is a security hazard, hence an interpreted language is required as the program must be in source code form 4. Python is an open source language and interpreted, so it fulfills the criteria 5. Java, C# etc are commercial languages and their compilers are closed and proprietary and so the source code cannot be made available for download. (why source code of a proprietary language cannot be made available for download is not explained here) 6. It is desirable that *all* companies use the same programming language to avoid confusion and have uniformity. yes - what the US govt proposes is not a joke - but the article that set off slashdot is certainly one written with tongue firmly in cheek. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in From madhubalav at infotechsw.com Tue Apr 27 08:23:13 2010 From: madhubalav at infotechsw.com (MADHUBALA VASIREDDY) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:53:13 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] unsubscribe Message-ID: <00d001cae5d2$1db82260$59286720$@com> From noufal at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 12:49:07 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:19:07 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Venue for PyCon India 2010 Message-ID: Hello everyone, As you all probably know, we're working towards PyCon India 2010. We're looking for a venue right now. Our initial plan was to use JN Tata auditorium but it's quite expensive (over 1L per day) and so we're looking for alternatives. IIMB and the NIMHANS auditorium came up and we're trying to contact them. Ideally, we're looking to hold this years conference also in an academic institution that's easily accessible someone inside Bangalore. I presume that there are many students studying in Bangalore on this list. If you feel that your college can host an event like this (3 or 4 halls of around 100-200 capacity each, a couple of smaller rooms and perhaps an open area for lunch), please reply to this thread. Other suggestions are welcome too. Please join the inpycon list http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon if you want to be part of (and who wouldn't want to? ;)) the next all India conference of all things Pythonic! Thanks -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 28 14:52:22 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 18:22:22 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There are around 10 people who've +1d Dave will be here from 10th May to 15th May (he's leaving on the 15th late at night). I've spoken to the people where I currently am (TANDBERG) and they're okay with a meeting in the evenings. The space is pretty decent and can house around 10 - 12 people. So the venue will work. Additionally, it's right next door to where he stays so it's convenient for him as well. http://maps.google.com/maps/place?cid=7402559017877928659&q=Prestige+Loka,+Brunton+Road,+Bangalore&hl=en&cd=1&cad=src:pplink&ei=Fi_YS5G0DI7kugPF-q3wDQ&sig2=YDSpYV-yI4TrnRpZzCsd6A for details on where. He's asked about possible topics to talk about. One is of course, the GIL (particularly various approaches on fixing it that are floating around). Another is Abstract base classes. Then there's the Python "advanced" features like decorators, generators etc. Any other suggestions? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Wed Apr 28 14:54:20 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 18:24:20 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > There are around 10 people who've +1d[..] > Any other suggestions? [..] Another possibility is context managers (with statement and details) -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From anand.shashwat at gmail.com Wed Apr 28 15:06:11 2010 From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 18:36:11 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 10 - 15th may, the time when my ends-sem exams will be going on :( Will miss this, but best of luck to all who attend the meet. On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > There are around 10 people who've +1d[..] > > > Any other suggestions? > [..] > > Another possibility is context managers (with statement and details) > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From kunal.t2 at gmail.com Wed Apr 28 15:36:21 2010 From: kunal.t2 at gmail.com (kunal ghosh) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:06:21 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +1 On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Shashwat Anand wrote: > 10 - 15th may, the time when my ends-sem exams will be going on :( > Will miss this, but best of luck to all who attend the meet. > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Noufal Ibrahim > wrote: > > > There are around 10 people who've +1d[..] > > > > > Any other suggestions? > > [..] > > > > Another possibility is context managers (with statement and details) > > > > > > -- > > ~noufal > > http://nibrahim.net.in > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- regards ------- Kunal Ghosh Dept of Computer Sc. & Engineering. Sir MVIT Bangalore,India Quote: "Ignorance is not a sin, the persistence of ignorance is" -- "If you find a task difficult today, you'll find it difficult 10yrs later too !" ----- "Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail" Blog:kunalghosh.wordpress.com Website:www.kunalghosh.net46.net V-card:http://tinyurl.com/86qjyk From admin.nitjece at gmail.com Wed Apr 28 16:53:27 2010 From: admin.nitjece at gmail.com (Diptanu Choudhury) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 20:23:27 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +1 On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 7:06 PM, kunal ghosh wrote: > +1 > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Shashwat Anand >wrote: > > > 10 - 15th may, the time when my ends-sem exams will be going on :( > > Will miss this, but best of luck to all who attend the meet. > > > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Noufal Ibrahim > wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Noufal Ibrahim > > wrote: > > > > There are around 10 people who've +1d[..] > > > > > > > Any other suggestions? > > > [..] > > > > > > Another possibility is context managers (with statement and details) > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ~noufal > > > http://nibrahim.net.in > > > _______________________________________________ > > > BangPypers mailing list > > > BangPypers at python.org > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > -- > regards > ------- > Kunal Ghosh > Dept of Computer Sc. & Engineering. > Sir MVIT > Bangalore,India > > Quote: > "Ignorance is not a sin, the persistence of ignorance is" > -- > "If you find a task difficult today, you'll find it difficult 10yrs later > too !" > ----- > "Failing to Plan is Planning to Fail" > > Blog:kunalghosh.wordpress.com > Website:www.kunalghosh.net46.net > V-card:http://tinyurl.com/86qjyk > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- Thanks, Diptanu Choudhury Just a Coder, ThoughtWorks India Mobile - 09886760964 Web - www.linkedin.com/in/diptanu From alephnull at hcoop.net Wed Apr 28 17:05:30 2010 From: alephnull at hcoop.net (Alok G. Singh) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 20:35:30 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore References: Message-ID: <87zl0npqh1.fsf@klein.localdomain> +1 -- Alok Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans. -- John Lennon, "Beautiful Boy" From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 08:30:27 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 12:00:27 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: [..] > He's asked about possible topics to talk about. One is of course, the > GIL (particularly various approaches on fixing it that are floating > around). Another is Abstract base classes. Then there's the Python > "advanced" features like decorators, generators etc. > > Any other suggestions?[..] Any other ideas? His own suggestions were context managers, ways of fixing/improving performance of the GIL and ABCs. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From ardsrk at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 10:41:51 2010 From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:11:51 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Any other ideas? His own suggestions were context managers, ways of > fixing/improving performance of the GIL and ABCs. > I wonder if we would be left with anymore time to discuss on other things. What will be the duration of the meet? -- Arvind From noufal at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 11:29:00 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:59:00 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit wrote: > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> Any other ideas? His own suggestions were context managers, ways of >> fixing/improving performance of the GIL and ABCs. >> > > I wonder if we would be left with anymore time to discuss on other things. > > What will be the duration of the meet?[..] Well, these are suggestions. He's not going to talk about *all* of them. :) I'm +1 about the GIL and abstract base classes. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From mbaiju at zeomega.com Thu Apr 29 11:54:38 2010 From: mbaiju at zeomega.com (Baiju M) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:24:38 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > I'm +1 about the GIL and abstract base classes. +1 for GIL & ABC Regards, Baiju M From ardsrk at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 11:55:43 2010 From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:25:43 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Well, these are suggestions. He's not going to talk about *all* of them. :) > Ok. I thought he would cover all of them ;) > I'm +1 about the GIL and abstract base classes. Me too. -- Arvind From murugadoss2884 at gmail.com Fri Apr 30 07:20:36 2010 From: murugadoss2884 at gmail.com (murugadoss) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 14:20:36 +0900 Subject: [BangPypers] unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <00d001cae5d2$1db82260$59286720$@com> References: <00d001cae5d2$1db82260$59286720$@com> Message-ID: BangPypers mailing list BangPypers at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers -- Thanks & Regards V.Murugadoss > From noufal at gmail.com Fri Apr 30 08:04:59 2010 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 11:34:59 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit wrote: > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> Well, these are suggestions. He's not going to talk about *all* of them. :) >> > > Ok. I thought he would cover all of them ;) > >> I'm +1 about the GIL and abstract base classes. > > Me too.[..] No other suggestions? The GIL thing is probably going to be a conversation about methods of fixing it, improving it's performance. It'd probably require some in depth knowledge of the GIL implementation. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From abpillai at gmail.com Fri Apr 30 08:07:29 2010 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 11:37:29 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] unsubscribe In-Reply-To: References: <00d001cae5d2$1db82260$59286720$@com> Message-ID: Please don't send "unsubscribe" requests to the mailing list. It doesn't unsubscribe you but only sends the message to all the subscribers. If you want to unsubscribe visit " http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers", go to "BangPypers Subscribers" section at the end and enter your email address. On clicking "Unsubscribe or edit options" you will go to another page. Click on the "Unsubscribe" button there. If you don't want to do this, send email to bangpypers-owner at python.org regarding your wish to unsubscribe from the *same email address* that you subscribed, and I can do that. --Anand 2010/4/30 murugadoss > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- > Thanks & Regards > V.Murugadoss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- --Anand From ardsrk at gmail.com Fri Apr 30 08:31:17 2010 From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 12:01:17 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > No other suggestions? > The GIL thing is probably going to be a conversation about methods of > fixing it, improving it's performance. It'd probably require some in > depth knowledge of the GIL implementation. > I just looked up the TOC of his book ( The Python Essential Reference ). There I saw ABCs being listed under "Chapter 15. Data Structure, Algorithms and Code Simplification". Then there is "Generators and Coroutines". So, if others think GIL is a dry subject or something that requires preparation beforehand then we could ask him to talk about ABCs, Generators and Coroutines and then if time permits on the GIL. Is that OK? -- Arvind