From manikandank at tce.edu  Mon Mar  1 09:56:42 2010
From: manikandank at tce.edu (K.Manikandan)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 14:26:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Pickle a dictionary
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Hi all,

I have to pickle a dictionay and store it in a postgres database. There
are a number of resources for pickling into a file, but what should I do
to pickle the dictionary in to database? I have blob datatype (bytea) for
that field in postgres.

Regards,
Manikandan K


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From kausikram at gmail.com  Mon Mar  1 10:02:30 2010
From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 14:32:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Pickle a dictionary
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	<bf97ab891002110123v5218d578qee75e35584538112@mail.gmail.com>
	<7f2cbc971002110406m2509e161qd052de3c541683d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<7d2541c1c0211c9982526f5d78d9cb69.squirrel@mail.tce.edu>
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>
> Hi all,
>
> I have to pickle a dictionay and store it in a postgres database. There
> are a number of resources for pickling into a file, but what should I do
> to pickle the dictionary in to database? I have blob datatype (bytea) for
> that field in postgres.
>
> Regards,
> Manikandan K
>

pickle it into a string and store the string into the database.
>>>import pickle
>>>pickle_string=pickle.dump(dict)
>>>#use your database api to store pickle_string
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From mbaiju at zeomega.com  Mon Mar  1 11:50:19 2010
From: mbaiju at zeomega.com (Baiju M)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:20:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Buildout internal support
Message-ID: <c911c70d1003010250x23f0a599gd0a8f0a7611123d8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
   We have created a new component in ZeSupport
to track all internal issues with Buildout.  Please
add a ticket, so that we can look into that issue.

Product: All ZeOmega Operations (Dallas and Blore )
Component: Buildout

Regards,
Baiju M

From mbaiju at zeomega.com  Mon Mar  1 11:58:46 2010
From: mbaiju at zeomega.com (Baiju M)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 16:28:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Buildout internal support
In-Reply-To: <c911c70d1003010250x23f0a599gd0a8f0a7611123d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c911c70d1003010250x23f0a599gd0a8f0a7611123d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c911c70d1003010258q276b828ay68fabbe200fc7186@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, wrong list :)

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> ? We have created a new component in ZeSupport
> to track all internal issues with Buildout. ?Please
> add a ticket, so that we can look into that issue.
>
> Product: All ZeOmega Operations (Dallas and Blore )
> Component: Buildout
>
> Regards,
> Baiju M
>

From leela.vadlamudi at gmail.com  Mon Mar  1 15:22:39 2010
From: leela.vadlamudi at gmail.com (leela vadlamudi)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 19:52:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python programmers required
Message-ID: <959452bf1003010622n44e4ae8y97f362e04052f3ac@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Global Analytics India has immediate requirements for experienced python
programmers and web developers (preferably in Django).

The openings are in Chennai. Please rush your cv to
careers at global-analytics.com with position mentioned in the subject line.


2+ years of Python web developers with preference to Django framework.
Experience in developing dynamic websites using DHTML, XML, CSS, JavaScript,
Ajax.
Working knowledge of Django/ Pylons/ Turbo gears or any Python web
Frameworks.
Django experience is an advantage.
Knowledge of MySql & Apache is a must.
Other skills: Experience in using Wordpress/Joomla or any CMS is a plus.

*For python programmers*

1+ year experience working in Python, Django (preferred) & JavaScript.
-Good Knowledge in Object oriented programming
-Knowledge of multiple web frameworks (preferred).

Thanks,
Leela

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Tue Mar  2 01:18:47 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 05:48:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Buildout internal support
In-Reply-To: <c911c70d1003010258q276b828ay68fabbe200fc7186@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c911c70d1003010250x23f0a599gd0a8f0a7611123d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d1003010258q276b828ay68fabbe200fc7186@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100302001847.GA5949@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>

On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 04:28:46PM +0530, Baiju M wrote:
> Sorry, wrong list :)

Yeah, I wondered. If you are going to provide a corporate support to
all Buildout issues. ( Not a bad idea tough, if you think about it :))

-- 
Senthil
Semper Fi, dude.

From mbaiju at zeomega.com  Wed Mar  3 09:39:11 2010
From: mbaiju at zeomega.com (Baiju M)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:09:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Benchmarking twisted: PyPy is up to 285% faster than
	CPython
Message-ID: <c911c70d1003030039o75dbf29cp2e899adca891a9aa@mail.gmail.com>

Looks interesting: http://morepypy.blogspot.com/2010/03/hello.html

--
Baiju M

From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Wed Mar  3 12:06:10 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 16:36:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
Message-ID: <bf97ab891003030306s280ef547n96432ecd37e1cb4c@mail.gmail.com>

Looking for a simple opensource python database library

Objectives :
- Should work at a level of abstraction above DB-Api. I should not have to
change code generally except for changing database configuration
parameters.
- Should be able to write code independent of the database (except where the
SQL itself was to be different in which case thats beyond the library's
control)
- Should support most reasonably popular databases (I am looking primarily
for MySQL but at least Postgres, SQL Server and Oracle support will be
useful)
- Abstractions should be at a relational level. Thus any ORMs are out of
scope.

I have found ADODb for Python so far. Looking for additional
recommendations.

Thanks
Dhananjay

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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Mar  3 12:14:16 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 16:44:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
In-Reply-To: <bf97ab891003030306s280ef547n96432ecd37e1cb4c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf97ab891003030306s280ef547n96432ecd37e1cb4c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201003031644.16866.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Wednesday 03 Mar 2010 4:36:10 pm Dhananjay Nene wrote:
> Looking for a simple opensource python database library
> 
I was under the impression that python does not recommend a db library for all 
databases and rests content with giving a general spec which people can use 
for implementing particular libraries (like pyscopg for postgresql and mysqldb 
for mysql)
-- 
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Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in

From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Wed Mar  3 13:19:01 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 17:49:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
In-Reply-To: <201003031644.16866.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <bf97ab891003030306s280ef547n96432ecd37e1cb4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<201003031644.16866.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <bf97ab891003030419t37f4ee02haff902ba7fcd8921@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:

> On Wednesday 03 Mar 2010 4:36:10 pm Dhananjay Nene wrote:
> > Looking for a simple opensource python database library
> >
> I was under the impression that python does not recommend a db library for
> all
> databases and rests content with giving a general spec which people can use
> for implementing particular libraries (like pyscopg for postgresql and
> mysqldb
> for mysql)
>

Python has a DB API spec which is implemented by different database vendors.
However the spec is not implemented the same way by different driver authors
leading to code having to change when switching to a different database.
Precisely the reason why there is a space for someone to write a generic db
library which can work through the differences across different drivers (ie.
DB API implementations). Most ORMs such as SQLAlchemy and django already
have such capabilities built in - but I am looking for a relatively thin
library over DBAPI. I did find one such implementation in ADOdb which
essentially wraps mysqldb or psygogb etc. Looking for more options if such
exist.

I am not unclear if at all what python recommending a db library would mean
in this context.

--
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> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Associate
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From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Wed Mar  3 13:20:08 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 17:50:08 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
In-Reply-To: <bf97ab891003030419t37f4ee02haff902ba7fcd8921@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf97ab891003030306s280ef547n96432ecd37e1cb4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<201003031644.16866.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<bf97ab891003030419t37f4ee02haff902ba7fcd8921@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bf97ab891003030420x2a84f487qa547a9a3f3ed43eb@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Dhananjay Nene <dhananjay.nene at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday 03 Mar 2010 4:36:10 pm Dhananjay Nene wrote:
>> > Looking for a simple opensource python database library
>> >
>> I was under the impression that python does not recommend a db library for
>> all
>> databases and rests content with giving a general spec which people can
>> use
>> for implementing particular libraries (like pyscopg for postgresql and
>> mysqldb
>> for mysql)
>>
>
> Python has a DB API spec which is implemented by different database
> vendors. However the spec is not implemented the same way by different
> driver authors leading to code having to change when switching to a
> different database. Precisely the reason why there is a space for someone to
> write a generic db library which can work through the differences across
> different drivers (ie. DB API implementations). Most ORMs such as SQLAlchemy
> and django already have such capabilities built in - but I am looking for a
> relatively thin library over DBAPI. I did find one such implementation in
> ADOdb which essentially wraps mysqldb or psygogb etc. Looking for more
> options if such exist.
>
> I am not unclear if at all what python recommending a db library would mean
> in this context.
>

I meant "I am *not clear* if at all ... "


> --
>>
>> regards
>> Kenneth Gonsalves
>> Senior Associate
>> NRC-FOSS
>> http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
>
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>

From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Wed Mar  3 13:23:03 2010
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 17:53:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
In-Reply-To: <bf97ab891003030306s280ef547n96432ecd37e1cb4c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf97ab891003030306s280ef547n96432ecd37e1cb4c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <91bea30d1003030423p7b90dcf0le86bd2a5ed2d8103@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Dhananjay Nene <dhananjay.nene at gmail.com> wrote:
> Looking for a simple opensource python database library
>
> Objectives :
> - Should work at a level of abstraction above DB-Api. I should not have to
> change code generally except for changing database configuration
> parameters.
> - Should be able to write code independent of the database (except where the
> SQL itself was to be different in which case thats beyond the library's
> control)
> - Should support most reasonably popular databases (I am looking primarily
> for MySQL but at least Postgres, SQL Server and Oracle support will be
> useful)
> - Abstractions should be at a relational level. Thus any ORMs are out of
> scope.
>
> I have found ADODb for Python so far. Looking for additional
> recommendations.

 Look at sqlalchemy. It will satisfy all your requirements.

regards
Vivek

-- 
The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!

From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Wed Mar  3 13:25:43 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 17:55:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
In-Reply-To: <91bea30d1003030423p7b90dcf0le86bd2a5ed2d8103@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf97ab891003030306s280ef547n96432ecd37e1cb4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<91bea30d1003030423p7b90dcf0le86bd2a5ed2d8103@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bf97ab891003030425i698646barce58e03485dd033c@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Vivek Khurana <hiddenharmony at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Dhananjay Nene <dhananjay.nene at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Looking for a simple opensource python database library
> >
> > Objectives :
> > - Should work at a level of abstraction above DB-Api. I should not have
> to
> > change code generally except for changing database configuration
> > parameters.
> > - Should be able to write code independent of the database (except where
> the
> > SQL itself was to be different in which case thats beyond the library's
> > control)
> > - Should support most reasonably popular databases (I am looking
> primarily
> > for MySQL but at least Postgres, SQL Server and Oracle support will be
> > useful)
> > - Abstractions should be at a relational level. Thus any ORMs are out of
> > scope.
> >
> > I have found ADODb for Python so far. Looking for additional
> > recommendations.
>
>  Look at sqlalchemy. It will satisfy all your requirements.
>

Am explicitly looking for lightweight libraries, not heavy weight ORM
solutions.

>
> regards
> Vivek
>
> --
> The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!
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From kausikram at gmail.com  Wed Mar  3 13:30:12 2010
From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 18:00:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
In-Reply-To: <bf97ab891003030425i698646barce58e03485dd033c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf97ab891003030306s280ef547n96432ecd37e1cb4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<91bea30d1003030423p7b90dcf0le86bd2a5ed2d8103@mail.gmail.com>
	<bf97ab891003030425i698646barce58e03485dd033c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2597ddb91003030430s26959851p7cc58f3ea1e83a8c@mail.gmail.com>

>
> >  Look at sqlalchemy. It will satisfy all your requirements.
> >
>
> Am explicitly looking for lightweight libraries, not heavy weight ORM
> solutions.


there is a light weight library called Autumn, but again its ORM, but
atleast its much lighter than alchemy.

-- 
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blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email:
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From kausikram at gmail.com  Wed Mar  3 13:30:56 2010
From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 18:00:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
In-Reply-To: <2597ddb91003030430s26959851p7cc58f3ea1e83a8c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf97ab891003030306s280ef547n96432ecd37e1cb4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<91bea30d1003030423p7b90dcf0le86bd2a5ed2d8103@mail.gmail.com>
	<bf97ab891003030425i698646barce58e03485dd033c@mail.gmail.com>
	<2597ddb91003030430s26959851p7cc58f3ea1e83a8c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2597ddb91003030430n4b871532ub70b9917d0eb2ebd@mail.gmail.com>

>
> there is a light weight library called Autumn, but again its ORM, but
> atleast its much lighter than alchemy.
>
http://autumn-orm.org/


-- 
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From srsy70 at gmail.com  Wed Mar  3 13:39:40 2010
From: srsy70 at gmail.com (S.Ramaswamy)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 18:09:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
In-Reply-To: <bf97ab891003030425i698646barce58e03485dd033c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf97ab891003030306s280ef547n96432ecd37e1cb4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<91bea30d1003030423p7b90dcf0le86bd2a5ed2d8103@mail.gmail.com>
	<bf97ab891003030425i698646barce58e03485dd033c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d60e5b0f1003030439q239c77c7m3877c1f8cf133c73@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Am explicitly looking for lightweight libraries, not heavy weight ORM
> solutions.
>
> AntiORM: http://furius.ca/antiorm/ . Not sure if this an active project.

Ramaswamy

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Mar  3 14:09:28 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 18:39:28 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Default settings modified
Message-ID: <8548c5f31003030509i7a7d3468gd4a1285c36437571@mail.gmail.com>

Spammers are targeting our list of late. The last couple of days
I have had to discard spam messages at the rate of 3-4 per day
directed to the list.

The default setting for non-member postings was hold. However
due to the increase in SPAM,  I have changed this to reject.
So, please be aware that from today, if you post to list from
your non-member email address, it will be rejected, i.e bounce
back to you.

Will keep these settings for a while till the spam menace
decreases and then revert to hold later.

Thanks

-- 
--Anand

From steve at lonetwin.net  Wed Mar  3 14:21:56 2010
From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve)
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2010 18:51:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
In-Reply-To: <bf97ab891003030306s280ef547n96432ecd37e1cb4c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf97ab891003030306s280ef547n96432ecd37e1cb4c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B8E6274.2030101@lonetwin.net>

Hi,
On 03/03/2010 04:36 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote:
> Looking for a simple opensource python database library
>
> Objectives :
> - Should work at a level of abstraction above DB-Api. I should not have to
> change code generally except for changing database configuration
> parameters.
> - Should be able to write code independent of the database (except where the
> SQL itself was to be different in which case thats beyond the library's
> control)
> - Should support most reasonably popular databases (I am looking primarily
> for MySQL but at least Postgres, SQL Server and Oracle support will be
> useful)

All of that is available in popular ORMs. I prefer SQLObject to SQLAlchemy. 
Could you elaborate a bit on why an ORM would not be suitable ?

> - Abstractions should be at a relational level. Thus any ORMs are out of
> scope.
>
ehe .. ORM == Object /Relational/ Mapper. What do you mean by "Abstractions 
should be at a relational level" ?

> I have found ADODb for Python so far. Looking for additional
> recommendations.
>
anydbm ? ( http://docs.python.org/library/anydbm.html ), of course that though 
is not relational.

A quick google OTOH gives me this:

http://wiki.python.org/moin/DbApiModuleComparison

Also, the little that i read online, I see that at least in theory all python 
DBI should follow: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0249/

...which if is also true in practice takes care of concerns you might have about 
cross DB API.

cheers,
- steve

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From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Wed Mar  3 15:05:42 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 19:35:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
In-Reply-To: <4B8E6274.2030101@lonetwin.net>
References: <bf97ab891003030306s280ef547n96432ecd37e1cb4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B8E6274.2030101@lonetwin.net>
Message-ID: <bf97ab891003030605y2b054bccofd03621dee550bf@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:51 PM, steve <steve at lonetwin.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 03/03/2010 04:36 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote:
>
>> Looking for a simple opensource python database library
>>
>> Objectives :
>> - Should work at a level of abstraction above DB-Api. I should not have to
>> change code generally except for changing database configuration
>> parameters.
>> - Should be able to write code independent of the database (except where
>> the
>> SQL itself was to be different in which case thats beyond the library's
>> control)
>> - Should support most reasonably popular databases (I am looking primarily
>> for MySQL but at least Postgres, SQL Server and Oracle support will be
>> useful)
>>
>
> All of that is available in popular ORMs. I prefer SQLObject to SQLAlchemy.
> Could you elaborate a bit on why an ORM would not be suitable ?


I need to build some simple relational database access over 2-3 tables in a
utility program. While it is quite solvable through ORM, the fairly limited
scope and nature of database access does not require the capabilities of a
full blown ORM. I use SQLAlchemy in my day job and I like it. Its just that
I wouldn't want to introduce a dependency on a much bigger toolset
especially when a smaller one could suffice.


>
>  - Abstractions should be at a relational level. Thus any ORMs are out of
>> scope.
>>
>>  ehe .. ORM == Object /Relational/ Mapper. What do you mean by
> "Abstractions should be at a relational level" ?


I meant the API should reflect cursors, sqlcommands etc (not objects,
relationships, inheritance etc.). Having said that I realise "at a
relational level" was not the most appropriate wording.


>
>  I have found ADODb for Python so far. Looking for additional
>> recommendations.
>>
>>  anydbm ? ( http://docs.python.org/library/anydbm.html ), of course that
> though is not relational.
>

Thanks for the tip. It got me thinking whether I could just choose to use it
instead. Thats still a thought under progress.


>
> A quick google OTOH gives me this:
>
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/DbApiModuleComparison



>
>
> Also, the little that i read online, I see that at least in theory all
> python DBI should follow: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0249/
>
> ...which if is also true in practice takes care of concerns you might have
> about cross DB API.
>

Thats not how I have seen it work. For example mysql prepared sql uses "%s"
whereas others use "?". The database connection parameters are actually
different between different databases. SQLAlchemy works with and deals with
these issues. For example it has separate derived classes per database to
handle some of these variations. Also it uses a connection URI to skip over
the differences in the connection parameter differences. (The URI is always
a string - even if the string itself is composed quite differently .. thus
the code which uses the URI doesn't have to change even when the connection
parameters change). So essentially what I am looking for (being the lazy
person I am) is if someone has done this hard work of abstracting away the
database dbapi implementation differences :)

>
> cheers,
> - steve
>
> --
> random non tech spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/
> tech randomness: http://lonehacks.blogspot.com/
> what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/
>

Thanks
Dhananjay

-- 
--------------------------------------------------------
blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com
twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene http://twitter.com/_pythonic

From shivraj.ms at gmail.com  Wed Mar  3 15:31:15 2010
From: shivraj.ms at gmail.com (Shivaraj M S)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 06:31:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [BangPypers] Calling Python script from C++.
In-Reply-To: <4B87900F.6020305@lonetwin.net>
References: <4B87900F.6020305@lonetwin.net>
Message-ID: <27768904.post@talk.nabble.com>


if this thread is still active - 
instead of passing the argument , probably the argument can be extracted
from a temporary file/buffer. a small code can be inserted to the python
code sent as argument to PyRun_SimpleString() to read it.


steve-391 wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On 02/25/2010 07:32 PM, lakshmi.chowdam at bt.com wrote:
>> Hi Zubin,
>>
>> [...snip...]
>> In the function definition, I am taking 1 hard coded variable and needs
>> to pass this variable along with the string(python code) to
>> PyRun_SimpleString() and execute it.
>>
>> Could you tell me the solution how to map the argument to the
>> string(python code) and pass to PyRun_SimpleString() and execute
>> successfully?
>>
> 
> Is there any specific reason you choose to read the entire file and
> execute it 
> using PyRun_SimpleString() as opposed to the more traditional and standard 
> methods of using fork()+exec*() or system() functions ?
> 
> cheers,
> - steve
> 
> -- 
> random non tech spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/
> tech randomness: http://lonehacks.blogspot.com/
> what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/
> _______________________________________________
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> 

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From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Mar  4 03:38:45 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 08:08:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
In-Reply-To: <bf97ab891003030605y2b054bccofd03621dee550bf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf97ab891003030306s280ef547n96432ecd37e1cb4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B8E6274.2030101@lonetwin.net>
	<bf97ab891003030605y2b054bccofd03621dee550bf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e1003031838v65d6ca8agc0042fdee4b10147@mail.gmail.com>

You could use the sql builder component of sql alchemy and skip the
orm part. The web.db part of web.py might work as well.

On 3/3/10, Dhananjay Nene <dhananjay.nene at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:51 PM, steve <steve at lonetwin.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 03/03/2010 04:36 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for a simple opensource python database library
>>>
>>> Objectives :
>>> - Should work at a level of abstraction above DB-Api. I should not have
>>> to
>>> change code generally except for changing database configuration
>>> parameters.
>>> - Should be able to write code independent of the database (except where
>>> the
>>> SQL itself was to be different in which case thats beyond the library's
>>> control)
>>> - Should support most reasonably popular databases (I am looking
>>> primarily
>>> for MySQL but at least Postgres, SQL Server and Oracle support will be
>>> useful)
>>>
>>
>> All of that is available in popular ORMs. I prefer SQLObject to
>> SQLAlchemy.
>> Could you elaborate a bit on why an ORM would not be suitable ?
>
>
> I need to build some simple relational database access over 2-3 tables in a
> utility program. While it is quite solvable through ORM, the fairly limited
> scope and nature of database access does not require the capabilities of a
> full blown ORM. I use SQLAlchemy in my day job and I like it. Its just that
> I wouldn't want to introduce a dependency on a much bigger toolset
> especially when a smaller one could suffice.
>
>
>>
>>  - Abstractions should be at a relational level. Thus any ORMs are out of
>>> scope.
>>>
>>>  ehe .. ORM == Object /Relational/ Mapper. What do you mean by
>> "Abstractions should be at a relational level" ?
>
>
> I meant the API should reflect cursors, sqlcommands etc (not objects,
> relationships, inheritance etc.). Having said that I realise "at a
> relational level" was not the most appropriate wording.
>
>
>>
>>  I have found ADODb for Python so far. Looking for additional
>>> recommendations.
>>>
>>>  anydbm ? ( http://docs.python.org/library/anydbm.html ), of course that
>> though is not relational.
>>
>
> Thanks for the tip. It got me thinking whether I could just choose to use it
> instead. Thats still a thought under progress.
>
>
>>
>> A quick google OTOH gives me this:
>>
>> http://wiki.python.org/moin/DbApiModuleComparison
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> Also, the little that i read online, I see that at least in theory all
>> python DBI should follow: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0249/
>>
>> ...which if is also true in practice takes care of concerns you might have
>> about cross DB API.
>>
>
> Thats not how I have seen it work. For example mysql prepared sql uses "%s"
> whereas others use "?". The database connection parameters are actually
> different between different databases. SQLAlchemy works with and deals with
> these issues. For example it has separate derived classes per database to
> handle some of these variations. Also it uses a connection URI to skip over
> the differences in the connection parameter differences. (The URI is always
> a string - even if the string itself is composed quite differently .. thus
> the code which uses the URI doesn't have to change even when the connection
> parameters change). So essentially what I am looking for (being the lazy
> person I am) is if someone has done this hard work of abstracting away the
> database dbapi implementation differences :)
>
>>
>> cheers,
>> - steve
>>
>> --
>> random non tech spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/
>> tech randomness: http://lonehacks.blogspot.com/
>> what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/
>>
>
> Thanks
> Dhananjay
>
> --
> --------------------------------------------------------
> blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com
> twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene http://twitter.com/_pythonic
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

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http://nibrahim.net.in

From codeshepherd at gmail.com  Wed Mar  3 17:42:46 2010
From: codeshepherd at gmail.com (Deepan Chakravarthy)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 22:12:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] facebook developer garage invitation
Message-ID: <a803558d1003030842x678473f5r1db32833ba2f93a7@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Guys,

We are organizing facebook developer garage at Jaaga, Richmond Town on
7th March. I have attached an invitation. It would be great if you can
forward it to your colleagues and if possible display a printed copy
at the notice board in your office.

More Details
==============

When: 3pm, Sunday, 7th March 2010
Where: Jaaga (Near Richmond Circle)
Directions: http://jaaga.wikidot.com/contact
Admission: Free

Agenda:
1. Introduction to Facebook Developers Group
2. Basics of creating a Facebook app by Prateek Dayal
3. Networking

For any questions, contact Deepan @ 9945702482
Also find us here
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=292286422291
Twitter: https://twitter.com/blr_facebook


Regards
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+91 9945702482
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http://twitter.com/codeshepherd

From lgp171188 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  4 11:21:47 2010
From: lgp171188 at gmail.com (L.Guruprasad)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:51:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
In-Reply-To: <bf97ab891003030605y2b054bccofd03621dee550bf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf97ab891003030306s280ef547n96432ecd37e1cb4c@mail.gmail.com>	<4B8E6274.2030101@lonetwin.net>
	<bf97ab891003030605y2b054bccofd03621dee550bf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B8F89BB.3050000@gmail.com>

Hi,

Dhananjay Nene wrote:
> I need to build some simple relational database access over 2-3 tables in a
> utility program. While it is quite solvable through ORM, the fairly limited
> scope and nature of database access does not require the capabilities of a
> full blown ORM. I use SQLAlchemy in my day job and I like it. Its just that
> I wouldn't want to introduce a dependency on a much bigger toolset
> especially when a smaller one could suffice.


One more lightweight database library - Storm (storm.canonical.net) but
it is ORM. It is lightweight when compared to SQLAlchemy.

Regards,
Guruprasad

From lgp171188 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  4 11:23:48 2010
From: lgp171188 at gmail.com (L.Guruprasad)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:53:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
In-Reply-To: <4B8F89BB.3050000@gmail.com>
References: <bf97ab891003030306s280ef547n96432ecd37e1cb4c@mail.gmail.com>	<4B8E6274.2030101@lonetwin.net>
	<bf97ab891003030605y2b054bccofd03621dee550bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B8F89BB.3050000@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B8F8A34.9070301@gmail.com>

Hi,

L.Guruprasad wrote:
> Dhananjay Nene wrote:

> One more lightweight database library - Storm (storm.canonical.net) but

Oops, the correct URL for the project is storm.canonical.com

Regards,
Guruprasad

From leela.vadlamudi at gmail.com  Thu Mar  4 13:49:27 2010
From: leela.vadlamudi at gmail.com (leela vadlamudi)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 18:19:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python programmers required
In-Reply-To: <959452bf1003010622n44e4ae8y97f362e04052f3ac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <959452bf1003010622n44e4ae8y97f362e04052f3ac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <959452bf1003040449r47019560r7b9f2fde01968195@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

We have interviews scheduled this weekend (Mar 6th, and possibly on 7th) in
Chennai at our office (please find the address on www.global-analytics.com)
and in Bangalore on Mar 13th and 14th. (Venue to be intimated later).

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 7:52 PM, leela vadlamudi
<leela.vadlamudi at gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> Hi,
>
> Global Analytics India has immediate requirements for experienced python
> programmers and web developers (preferably in Django).
>
> The openings are in Chennai. Please rush your cv to
> careers at global-analytics.com with position mentioned in the subject line.
>
>
> 2+ years of Python web developers with preference to Django framework.
> Experience in developing dynamic websites using DHTML, XML, CSS,
> JavaScript, Ajax.
> Working knowledge of Django/ Pylons/ Turbo gears or any Python web
> Frameworks.
> Django experience is an advantage.
> Knowledge of MySql & Apache is a must.
> Other skills: Experience in using Wordpress/Joomla or any CMS is a plus.
>
> *For python programmers*
>
> 1+ year experience working in Python, Django (preferred) & JavaScript.
> -Good Knowledge in Object oriented programming
> -Knowledge of multiple web frameworks (preferred).
>
> Thanks,
> Leela

From pradeep at btbytes.com  Thu Mar  4 14:21:59 2010
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 08:21:59 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e1003031838v65d6ca8agc0042fdee4b10147@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf97ab891003030306s280ef547n96432ecd37e1cb4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B8E6274.2030101@lonetwin.net>
	<bf97ab891003030605y2b054bccofd03621dee550bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e1003031838v65d6ca8agc0042fdee4b10147@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3e3294b71003040521v43cc3482h257ffc468393beb5@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> You could use the sql builder component of sql alchemy and skip the
> orm part. The web.db part of web.py might work as well.

+1 for web.py

Having used web.py for data munging tasks,
I think that web.db is a step up from writing raw sql without going
the whole hog towards ORMs.

+PG

From abpillai at gmail.com  Thu Mar  4 14:24:45 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 18:54:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
In-Reply-To: <4B8F89BB.3050000@gmail.com>
References: <bf97ab891003030306s280ef547n96432ecd37e1cb4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B8E6274.2030101@lonetwin.net>
	<bf97ab891003030605y2b054bccofd03621dee550bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B8F89BB.3050000@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f31003040524x313414e5j1081078d3b687241@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:51 PM, L.Guruprasad <lgp171188 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Dhananjay Nene wrote:
> > I need to build some simple relational database access over 2-3 tables in
> a
> > utility program. While it is quite solvable through ORM, the fairly
> limited
> > scope and nature of database access does not require the capabilities of
> a
> > full blown ORM. I use SQLAlchemy in my day job and I like it. Its just
> that
> > I wouldn't want to introduce a dependency on a much bigger toolset
> > especially when a smaller one could suffice.
>

 Write your own :) Always my choice in these cases.


>
>
>

-- 
--Anand

From manikandank at tce.edu  Thu Mar  4 14:49:35 2010
From: manikandank at tce.edu (K.Manikandan)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 19:19:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Session sharing within a domain using cookies
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f31003040524x313414e5j1081078d3b687241@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf97ab891003030306s280ef547n96432ecd37e1cb4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B8E6274.2030101@lonetwin.net>
	<bf97ab891003030605y2b054bccofd03621dee550bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B8F89BB.3050000@gmail.com>
	<8548c5f31003040524x313414e5j1081078d3b687241@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <319b48146cd14afb3b9269a1277c4cf4.squirrel@mail.tce.edu>

Hi all.

We have created two web applications within the a single domain. We are
using mod_python cookies. And I have set the cookies with domain as the
main domain. Now, I am unable to access the cookie that I had set in one
application from the other. What things, other than setting the domain of
the cookie should be done so as to enable the access of a cookie of one
application from another ?

Regards,
Manikandan K


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From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 03:21:00 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 07:51:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Feb user group meeting
In-Reply-To: <c911c70d1002230804q390ed600sa25bc78a7a6289c4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e1002230705s77fe2015s6d1fcd0e4bea15bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d62196a1002230734oad0607fx35e153388f2ed9be@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d1002230804q390ed600sa25bc78a7a6289c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e1003041821r11a17e3alebd66b87bc5356cf@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If that's fine, we can do 2
>>> meetings in March (one which is the postponed Feb meeting) and the
>>> other the actual March talk.
>>>
>> Yeah, I am fine with two meetings in March.
>
> +1
>
> I also will be available next weekend, but I would prefer Sunday (March 7).
>[..]


Shall we meet on March 7? It's a little short notice. I can give a
quick update about PyCon Atlanta and we can lay the plans for our own
event later this year. We're already late. The whole thing should take
about 40 minutes. I'd recommend that everyone interested in being part
of PyCon India attend. The folks from Chennai are keen on holding it
there but some of the general matters like sponsorships etc. will be
venue agnostic so a discussion will not be entirely fruitless.

After that, we're open, anyone with ideas on stuff to speak about? I
spent the sprint days with the packaging people (Tarek and company) so
I have some idea on what's going on there. I could speak on that. The
state of packaging in Python is a bit of  mess and it needs help.

Thanks.
-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From mbaiju at zeomega.com  Fri Mar  5 03:31:24 2010
From: mbaiju at zeomega.com (Baiju M)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 08:01:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Feb user group meeting
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e1003041821r11a17e3alebd66b87bc5356cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e1002230705s77fe2015s6d1fcd0e4bea15bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d62196a1002230734oad0607fx35e153388f2ed9be@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d1002230804q390ed600sa25bc78a7a6289c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e1003041821r11a17e3alebd66b87bc5356cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c911c70d1003041831q65b2aac1t39a4fb1da97d73c1@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> Shall we meet on March 7? It's a little short notice. I can give a
> quick update about PyCon Atlanta and we can lay the plans for our own
> event later this year. We're already late. The whole thing should take
> about 40 minutes. I'd recommend that everyone interested in being part
> of PyCon India attend. The folks from Chennai are keen on holding it
> there but some of the general matters like sponsorships etc. will be
> venue agnostic so a discussion will not be entirely fruitless.

+1

> After that, we're open, anyone with ideas on stuff to speak about? I
> spent the sprint days with the packaging people (Tarek and company) so
> I have some idea on what's going on there. I could speak on that. The
> state of packaging in Python is a bit of ?mess and it needs help.

I would like to hear about that.

Regards,
Baiju M

From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 06:03:16 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 10:33:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Feb user group meeting
In-Reply-To: <c911c70d1003041831q65b2aac1t39a4fb1da97d73c1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e1002230705s77fe2015s6d1fcd0e4bea15bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d62196a1002230734oad0607fx35e153388f2ed9be@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d1002230804q390ed600sa25bc78a7a6289c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e1003041821r11a17e3alebd66b87bc5356cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d1003041831q65b2aac1t39a4fb1da97d73c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e1003042103y20da81d3paf9774e62544fa0b@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Shall we meet on March 7? It's a little short notice. I can give a
>> quick update about PyCon Atlanta and we can lay the plans for our own
>> event later this year. We're already late. The whole thing should take
>> about 40 minutes. I'd recommend that everyone interested in being part
>> of PyCon India attend. The folks from Chennai are keen on holding it
>> there but some of the general matters like sponsorships etc. will be
>> venue agnostic so a discussion will not be entirely fruitless.
>
> +1
>
>> After that, we're open, anyone with ideas on stuff to speak about? I
>> spent the sprint days with the packaging people (Tarek and company) so
>> I have some idea on what's going on there. I could speak on that. The
>> state of packaging in Python is a bit of ?mess and it needs help.
>
> I would like to hear about that.[..]


It would be boring with just you and me. Anyone else? :) Is TW
available as a venue?

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From ardsrk at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 06:20:41 2010
From: ardsrk at gmail.com (Arvind Jamuna Dixit)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 10:50:41 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Feb user group meeting
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e1003042103y20da81d3paf9774e62544fa0b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e1002230705s77fe2015s6d1fcd0e4bea15bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d62196a1002230734oad0607fx35e153388f2ed9be@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d1002230804q390ed600sa25bc78a7a6289c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e1003041821r11a17e3alebd66b87bc5356cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d1003041831q65b2aac1t39a4fb1da97d73c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e1003042103y20da81d3paf9774e62544fa0b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3d62196a1003042120w463c4b25j874a6340094e0b33@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyone else?


I will be there too.

-- 
Arvind

From srinivasachari2000 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 06:36:03 2010
From: srinivasachari2000 at gmail.com (Srinivasachari)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 11:06:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Feb user group meeting
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+1

Regards,
Srinivasachari.


On 5 March 2010 10:50, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Anyone else?
>
>
> I will be there too.
>
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From karikrishni at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 07:01:47 2010
From: karikrishni at gmail.com (Gopalakrishnan S)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 11:31:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Feb user group meeting
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+1.

I would like to attend the meeting/discussion. May I know the venue and
timing? I am attending this for first time.

My number: 9886991146.

I reside in JP Nagar 7th Phase.

Regards,

Krish

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Srinivasachari <
srinivasachari2000 at gmail.com> wrote:

> +1
>
> Regards,
> Srinivasachari.
>
>
> On 5 March 2010 10:50, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Anyone else?
> >
> >
> > I will be there too.
> >
> > --
> > Arvind
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
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From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 08:19:14 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 12:49:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f31003040524x313414e5j1081078d3b687241@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf97ab891003030306s280ef547n96432ecd37e1cb4c@mail.gmail.com>
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I've decided to go ahead with SQLAlchemy even though that was not my
favourite. FWIW I'm just documenting my thoughts :

Cons : Why I would've not preferred SQL Alchemy
a. Dependency into a large full function package like sqlalchemy which just
does a ton of stuff. I didn't need a ton of features .. just needed
something basic.
b. I was looking for something that worked at a ODBC/JDBC level abstraction.
Python DBAPI is actually a good candidate but for the fact it doesn't really
work cross database

Pros : Why I decided to go ahead with SQLAlchemy
a. Already use it. So am familiar with it.
b. It is just too slick and polished a product.
c. It does offer relational abstractions. eg. Table (even though the
default, most often used mechanism is with model objects). The entire model
layer I really am not interested in, but SQLAlchemy does give me the
abstractions for table, connections etc.
d. Did not find a widely used competing candidate. Just not sure how widely
used and thus regularly tested adodb for python is - though did not have any
specific qualms against that particular package.

Thanks for all the suggestions. I evaluated them all and the suggestions
were very helpful fodder for the process.

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From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 09:55:39 2010
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 14:25:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
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On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Dhananjay Nene
<dhananjay.nene at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've decided to go ahead with SQLAlchemy even though that was not my
> favourite. FWIW I'm just documenting my thoughts :
>
> Cons : Why I would've not preferred SQL Alchemy
> a. Dependency into a large full function package like sqlalchemy which just
> does a ton of stuff. I didn't need a ton of features .. just needed
> something basic.

 SQLAlchemy allows you to use only specific components. You can use db
abstraction while not using ORM at all. So, you still have the freedom
to use the basics that you need, while never bothering to learn the
advance stuff :)

regards
Vivek

-- 
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From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 10:44:39 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 15:14:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
In-Reply-To: <91bea30d1003050055l5f22f8f2ted22bc2f71c49c77@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Vivek Khurana <hiddenharmony at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Dhananjay Nene
> <dhananjay.nene at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I've decided to go ahead with SQLAlchemy even though that was not my
>> favourite. FWIW I'm just documenting my thoughts :
>>
>> Cons : Why I would've not preferred SQL Alchemy
>> a. Dependency into a large full function package like sqlalchemy which just
>> does a ton of stuff. I didn't need a ton of features .. just needed
>> something basic.
>
> ?SQLAlchemy allows you to use only specific components. You can use db
> abstraction while not using ORM at all. So, you still have the freedom
> to use the basics that you need, while never bothering to learn the
> advance stuff :)[..]


Are there any real harcode SQLAlchemy people here on the group? A talk
on the ORM would be much appreciated I'm sure.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 10:52:12 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 15:22:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
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References: <bf97ab891003030306s280ef547n96432ecd37e1cb4c@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Are there any real harcode SQLAlchemy people here on the group? A talk
> on the ORM would be much appreciated I'm sure.
>
>
> I might add that I've worked with ORMs almost regularly since 1996 in C++,
Java and Python. SQLAlchemy has probably been the most successful ORM I have
seen which has managed to retain the balance between relational and object
paradigms (almost everyone else completely throws in the towel towards
providing an object API around database access). However as a result it
takes a little bit more time to learn. If one wants a finer control on the
relational side even while requiring a good object API, look no further than
SQLAlchemy.

> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Fri Mar  5 11:07:40 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 15:37:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
In-Reply-To: <bf97ab891003050152m1d5f1164ocd192db7e3d14338@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf97ab891003030306s280ef547n96432ecd37e1cb4c@mail.gmail.com>
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On Friday 05 Mar 2010 3:22:12 pm Dhananjay Nene wrote:
> > I might add that I've worked with ORMs almost regularly since 1996 in
> > C++,
> 
> Java and Python. SQLAlchemy has probably been the most successful ORM I
>  have seen which has managed to retain the balance between relational and
>  object paradigms (almost everyone else completely throws in the towel
>  towards providing an object API around database access).
> 

what about django's orm?
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 11:28:13 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 15:58:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
In-Reply-To: <201003051537.40964.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
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	<201003051537.40964.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
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On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> On Friday 05 Mar 2010 3:22:12 pm Dhananjay Nene wrote:
>> > I might add that I've worked with ORMs almost regularly since 1996 in
>> > C++,
>>
>> Java and Python. SQLAlchemy has probably been the most successful ORM I
>> ?have seen which has managed to retain the balance between relational and
>> ?object paradigms (almost everyone else completely throws in the towel
>> ?towards providing an object API around database access).
>>
>
> what about django's orm?

I don't expect that it will hold a candle to SQLAlchemy
 No composite primary key support -
http://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/373 is the first thing that comes
to mind (and one of SQLAlchemy's killer features).
 I don't think it follows a data mapper pattern.
 I'm not sure how much reflection it can do.
 Also, it's 'part' of a larger project so manpower will be limited as
opposed to SQLAlchemy.

I believe there are projects that are trying to stitch in SQLAlchemy
into Django but I haven't really used the framework so I'm not sure.



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From steve at lonetwin.net  Fri Mar  5 11:29:44 2010
From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 15:59:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
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On 03/05/2010 03:37 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> On Friday 05 Mar 2010 3:22:12 pm Dhananjay Nene wrote:
>>  >  I might add that I've worked with ORMs almost regularly since 1996 in
>>  >  C++,
>>
>>  Java and Python. SQLAlchemy has probably been the most successful ORM I
>>   have seen which has managed to retain the balance between relational and
>>   object paradigms (almost everyone else completely throws in the towel
>>   towards providing an object API around database access).
>>
>
> what about django's orm?

or SQLObject for that matter. I personally prefer SQLObject because it comes 
across as being more pythonic than SQLAlchemy, of course YMMV.

Dhananjay: I know you've already made up your mind on what to use but I just 
wanted to put this in sideways because it is so awesome (for some apps) -- the 
granddaddy of all db-object abstractions -- http://docs.zope.org/zodb/

Maybe not what you currently need but certainly something useful.

cheers,
- steve
-- 
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tech randomness: http://lonehacks.blogspot.com/
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From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 11:59:43 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 16:29:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
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On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>
> wrote:
> > On Friday 05 Mar 2010 3:22:12 pm Dhananjay Nene wrote:
> >> > I might add that I've worked with ORMs almost regularly since 1996 in
> >> > C++,
> >>
> >> Java and Python. SQLAlchemy has probably been the most successful ORM I
> >>  have seen which has managed to retain the balance between relational
> and
> >>  object paradigms (almost everyone else completely throws in the towel
> >>  towards providing an object API around database access).
> >>
> >
> > what about django's orm?
>
> I don't expect that it will hold a candle to SQLAlchemy
>  No composite primary key support -
> http://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/373 is the first thing that comes
> to mind (and one of SQLAlchemy's killer features).
>  I don't think it follows a data mapper pattern.
>  I'm not sure how much reflection it can do.
>
> I agree DjangoORM is unlikely to be as full featured and as comprehensive
as SQLAlchemy.
SQLAlchemy really helps when you want to exercise far more control at the
relational
level (eg. reporting etc.) or at legacy database design mapping. But there
are likely to be many
usecases where SQLAlchemy learning cost may be higher than other ORMs eg.
Django ORM.


>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
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From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 12:03:24 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 16:33:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
In-Reply-To: <4B90DD18.8000803@lonetwin.net>
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On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 3:59 PM, steve <steve at lonetwin.net> wrote:

>
>>
>  I personally prefer SQLObject because it comes across as being more
> pythonic than SQLAlchemy, of course YMMV.
>
> Quite likely .. but it doesn't try to be pythonic, its focused more on
staying consistent with its relational underpinnings. A ^C^V from the
documentation -

DBA Approved

Built to conform to what DBAs demand, including the ability to swap out
generated SQL with hand-optimized statements, full usage of bind parameters
for all literal values, fully transactionalized and batched database writes
using the Unit of Work pattern. All object-relational patterns are designed
around the usage of proper referential integrity, and foreign keys are an
integral part of its usage.
Non-Opinionated

SQLAlchemy places the highest value on not getting in the way of database
and application architecture. Unlike many tools, it *never* "generates"
schemas (not to be confused with issuing user-defined
DDL<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Definition_Language>,
in which it excels) or relies on naming conventions of any kind. SQLAlchemy
supports the widest variety of database and architectural designs as is
reasonably possible.


>
> cheers,
> - steve
> --
> random non tech spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/
> tech randomness: http://lonehacks.blogspot.com/
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From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 12:05:00 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 16:35:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Feb user group meeting
In-Reply-To: <b81e8eb61003042201p255c1eb0kf00b5418b0562dbc@mail.gmail.com>
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All right. Here are the meeting details.

Venue : ThoughtWorks, Diamond District, Floor 3.
Date : 7 March 2010 (Sunday)
Time : 1500 - 1700 hours.

Sriram,
  Will TW be available?

Thanks.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Gopalakrishnan S <karikrishni at gmail.com> wrote:
> +1.
>
> I would like to attend the meeting/discussion. May I know the venue and
> timing? I am attending this for first time.
>
> My number: 9886991146.
>
> I reside in JP Nagar 7th Phase.
>
> Regards,
>
> Krish
>
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Srinivasachari <
> srinivasachari2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> Regards,
>> Srinivasachari.
>>
>>
>> On 5 March 2010 10:50, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Anyone else?
>> >
>> >
>> > I will be there too.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Arvind
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > BangPypers mailing list
>> > BangPypers at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
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From digamma at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 12:12:02 2010
From: digamma at gmail.com (karthik)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 16:42:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] [CONTRACT] looking for a python dev familiar
	with test automation
Message-ID: <bbcb75b31003050312t3c790519p7a6ba40703929ca@mail.gmail.com>

Hi:

We have some test automation related work that we want to get done through a
consultant.

1. Work will need an NDA to be signed
2. It's related to a cleanup of our internal test automation framework
3. Local (Bangalore) consultant preferred

If you're interested (or just want to know more) mail me (kgvs =at= cisco
=dot= com) or talk to me in
person this Sunday during the group meeting.

With best regards,

Karthik

From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 13:26:43 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 17:56:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
In-Reply-To: <bf97ab891003042319y71d6b7a0m743d7173fc26300a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf97ab891003030306s280ef547n96432ecd37e1cb4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B8E6274.2030101@lonetwin.net>
	<bf97ab891003030605y2b054bccofd03621dee550bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B8F89BB.3050000@gmail.com>
	<8548c5f31003040524x313414e5j1081078d3b687241@mail.gmail.com>
	<bf97ab891003042319y71d6b7a0m743d7173fc26300a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bf97ab891003050426o4bf4ba09y4e5a450fa2560a9c@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Dhananjay Nene <dhananjay.nene at gmail.com>wrote:

> I've decided to go ahead with SQLAlchemy even though that was not my
> favourite. FWIW I'm just documenting my thoughts :
>
> Cons : Why I would've not preferred SQL Alchemy
> a. Dependency into a large full function package like sqlalchemy which just
> does a ton of stuff. I didn't need a ton of features .. just needed
> something basic.
> b. I was looking for something that worked at a ODBC/JDBC level
> abstraction. Python DBAPI is actually a good candidate but for the fact it
> doesn't really work cross database
>
> Pros : Why I decided to go ahead with SQLAlchemy
> a. Already use it. So am familiar with it.
> b. It is just too slick and polished a product.
> c. It does offer relational abstractions. eg. Table (even though the
> default, most often used mechanism is with model objects). The entire model
> layer I really am not interested in, but SQLAlchemy does give me the
> abstractions for table, connections etc.
> d. Did not find a widely used competing candidate. Just not sure how widely
> used and thus regularly tested adodb for python is - though did not have any
> specific qualms against that particular package.
>
> Thanks for all the suggestions. I evaluated them all and the suggestions
> were very helpful fodder for the process.
>
>
Aaargh, few hours after I decide that I run into this. From an intent
perspective it is much more consistent with what I was looking for -
http://www.pauldeden.com/2009/01/edendb-thin-flexible-and-fast-python.html

The sample usage is listed here
http://code.google.com/p/edendb/

-- 
--------------------------------------------------------
blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com
twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene

From anandology at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 14:28:49 2010
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 18:58:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
In-Reply-To: <bf97ab891003050426o4bf4ba09y4e5a450fa2560a9c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf97ab891003030306s280ef547n96432ecd37e1cb4c@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4B8E6274.2030101@lonetwin.net>
	<bf97ab891003030605y2b054bccofd03621dee550bf@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4B8F89BB.3050000@gmail.com>
	<8548c5f31003040524x313414e5j1081078d3b687241@mail.gmail.com> 
	<bf97ab891003042319y71d6b7a0m743d7173fc26300a@mail.gmail.com> 
	<bf97ab891003050426o4bf4ba09y4e5a450fa2560a9c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41139fcb1003050528sce103eeh44b5bc6db3cb523d@mail.gmail.com>

> Aaargh, few hours after I decide that I run into this. From an intent
> perspective it is much more consistent with what I was looking for -
> http://www.pauldeden.com/2009/01/edendb-thin-flexible-and-fast-python.html
>
> The sample usage is listed here
> http://code.google.com/p/edendb/

web.db is more elegant than that.

>>> import web
>>> db = web.database(dbn='sqlite', db='test.db')
>>> db.query("create table people (name varchar(10), age integer, pet varchar(10))")
0.0 (1): create table people (name varchar(10), age integer, pet varchar(10))
-1
>>> db.insert('people', name='paul', age=2, pet='cat')
0.0 (1): INSERT INTO people (pet, age, name) VALUES ('cat', 2, 'paul')
0.0 (2): SELECT last_insert_rowid();
1
>>> db.insert('people', name='tom', age=88, pet='dog')
0.0 (1): INSERT INTO people (pet, age, name) VALUES ('dog', 88, 'tom')
0.0 (2): SELECT last_insert_rowid();
2
>>> for r in db.select("people"): print r.name, r.age, r.pet
...
0.0 (1): SELECT * FROM people
paul 2 cat
tom 88 dog
>>> for r in db.select("people", where='age > $age', vars={"age": 50}): print r.name, r.age, r.pet
...
0.0 (1): SELECT * FROM people WHERE age > 50
tom 88 dog

-Anand

From vid at svaksha.com  Fri Mar  5 14:54:06 2010
From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?fHwg4KS44KWN4KS14KSV4KWN4KS3IHx8IA==?=)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 08:54:06 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Feb user group meeting
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e1003041821r11a17e3alebd66b87bc5356cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e1002230705s77fe2015s6d1fcd0e4bea15bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d62196a1002230734oad0607fx35e153388f2ed9be@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d1002230804q390ed600sa25bc78a7a6289c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e1003041821r11a17e3alebd66b87bc5356cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12470af01003050554h36afades9a03e70c85a44f6b@mail.gmail.com>

CC'ing the inpycon organizers list.

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 21:21, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Shall we meet on March 7? It's a little short notice. I can give a
> quick update about PyCon Atlanta and we can lay the plans for our own
> event later this year. We're already late. The whole thing should take

I would love to attend and share pycon related stuff but mar7 is not feasible.

> about 40 minutes. I'd recommend that everyone interested in being part
> of PyCon India attend. The folks from Chennai are keen on holding it
> there but some of the general matters like sponsorships etc. will be
> venue agnostic so a discussion will not be entirely fruitless.

I was asked if we have tentative dates (which needs a venue I'd guess)
for the Chennai event, as folks coming to India like to sync their
schedules and book early. Can someone from Chennai pipe in with
tentative date and venue suggestions please.

Fwiw, Pycon has a policy of holding two pycon events at the same venue
consecutively. This means that pycon 2011 will also be in Atlanta.
2012 and 2013 are CA and iirc, they will start the bidding process for
2014 and 2015 soon.

Maybe we need to plan something along those lines or atleast discuss
cities, how and where to hold future events. It might help if we asked
various lug lists, so folks may pitch in ideas.

-- 
|| vid | http://svaksha.com ||

From pradeep at btbytes.com  Fri Mar  5 15:16:31 2010
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 09:16:31 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
In-Reply-To: <41139fcb1003050528sce103eeh44b5bc6db3cb523d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf97ab891003030306s280ef547n96432ecd37e1cb4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B8E6274.2030101@lonetwin.net>
	<bf97ab891003030605y2b054bccofd03621dee550bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B8F89BB.3050000@gmail.com>
	<8548c5f31003040524x313414e5j1081078d3b687241@mail.gmail.com>
	<bf97ab891003042319y71d6b7a0m743d7173fc26300a@mail.gmail.com>
	<bf97ab891003050426o4bf4ba09y4e5a450fa2560a9c@mail.gmail.com>
	<41139fcb1003050528sce103eeh44b5bc6db3cb523d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3e3294b71003050616n7e22f5a6ked99c8723cbeee07@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Aaargh, few hours after I decide that I run into this. From an intent
>> perspective it is much more consistent with what I was looking for -
>> http://www.pauldeden.com/2009/01/edendb-thin-flexible-and-fast-python.html
>>
>> The sample usage is listed here
>> http://code.google.com/p/edendb/

> web.db is more elegant than that.

Excellent! Anand.

Evidently the "web" part of web.py makes people underestimate the
power and compactness of web.py

A simple scan through the web.db module [1] would have given all the
information  about

- abstraction -- Tables are objects, column data is accessible via dot
operator. So, a very nice abstraction.
- supports all the databases he wanted  [mysql, pg, sqlite, oracle,
firebird AND mssql]

The syntax is definitely more pythonic and self-explanatory than  edendb.

And unlike edendb [from what i can i tell from the one blog post],
web.py is used in production by scores of sites.

+PG

[1] http://github.com/webpy/webpy/raw/master/web/db.py

From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 16:10:56 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 20:40:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simple python database library
In-Reply-To: <3e3294b71003050616n7e22f5a6ked99c8723cbeee07@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bf97ab891003030306s280ef547n96432ecd37e1cb4c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B8E6274.2030101@lonetwin.net>
	<bf97ab891003030605y2b054bccofd03621dee550bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B8F89BB.3050000@gmail.com>
	<8548c5f31003040524x313414e5j1081078d3b687241@mail.gmail.com>
	<bf97ab891003042319y71d6b7a0m743d7173fc26300a@mail.gmail.com>
	<bf97ab891003050426o4bf4ba09y4e5a450fa2560a9c@mail.gmail.com>
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	<3e3294b71003050616n7e22f5a6ked99c8723cbeee07@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e1003050710h7fecb2f1r7a00465ae6d832ce@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Pradeep Gowda <pradeep at btbytes.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Aaargh, few hours after I decide that I run into this. From an intent
>>> perspective it is much more consistent with what I was looking for -
>>> http://www.pauldeden.com/2009/01/edendb-thin-flexible-and-fast-python.html
>>>
>>> The sample usage is listed here
>>> http://code.google.com/p/edendb/
>
>> web.db is more elegant than that.
>
> Excellent! Anand.
>
> Evidently the "web" part of web.py makes people underestimate the
> power and compactness of web.py
>
> A simple scan through the web.db module [1] would have given all the
> information ?about
>
> - abstraction -- Tables are objects, column data is accessible via dot
> operator. So, a very nice abstraction.
> - supports all the databases he wanted ?[mysql, pg, sqlite, oracle,
> firebird AND mssql]
>
> The syntax is definitely more pythonic and self-explanatory than ?edendb.
>
> And unlike edendb [from what i can i tell from the one blog post],
> web.py is used in production by scores of sites.[..]

Yes. At the very least, web.db is older and more mature than edendb.
I'm confused Dhananjay. What exactly were you looking for that web.db
didn't provide which edendb did whe you evaluated the former?




-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From kunalkantsen at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 16:37:10 2010
From: kunalkantsen at gmail.com (kunalkant sen)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 21:07:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Feb user group meeting
In-Reply-To: <12470af01003050554h36afades9a03e70c85a44f6b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e1002230705s77fe2015s6d1fcd0e4bea15bc@mail.gmail.com> 
	<3d62196a1002230734oad0607fx35e153388f2ed9be@mail.gmail.com> 
	<c911c70d1002230804q390ed600sa25bc78a7a6289c4@mail.gmail.com> 
	<9963e56e1003041821r11a17e3alebd66b87bc5356cf@mail.gmail.com> 
	<12470af01003050554h36afades9a03e70c85a44f6b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63eb47a21003050737o508561d9pe915a816d300dc4e@mail.gmail.com>

+1 for Sunday.


Regards
Kunal



On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:24 PM, || ?????? || <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:

> CC'ing the inpycon organizers list.
>
> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 21:21, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Shall we meet on March 7? It's a little short notice. I can give a
> > quick update about PyCon Atlanta and we can lay the plans for our own
> > event later this year. We're already late. The whole thing should take
>
> I would love to attend and share pycon related stuff but mar7 is not
> feasible.
>
> > about 40 minutes. I'd recommend that everyone interested in being part
> > of PyCon India attend. The folks from Chennai are keen on holding it
> > there but some of the general matters like sponsorships etc. will be
> > venue agnostic so a discussion will not be entirely fruitless.
>
> I was asked if we have tentative dates (which needs a venue I'd guess)
> for the Chennai event, as folks coming to India like to sync their
> schedules and book early. Can someone from Chennai pipe in with
> tentative date and venue suggestions please.
>
> Fwiw, Pycon has a policy of holding two pycon events at the same venue
> consecutively. This means that pycon 2011 will also be in Atlanta.
> 2012 and 2013 are CA and iirc, they will start the bidding process for
> 2014 and 2015 soon.
>
> Maybe we need to plan something along those lines or atleast discuss
> cities, how and where to hold future events. It might help if we asked
> various lug lists, so folks may pitch in ideas.
>
> --
> || vid | http://svaksha.com ||
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From kausikram at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 19:16:59 2010
From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 23:46:59 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Feb user group meeting
In-Reply-To: <12470af01003050554h36afades9a03e70c85a44f6b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e1002230705s77fe2015s6d1fcd0e4bea15bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d62196a1002230734oad0607fx35e153388f2ed9be@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d1002230804q390ed600sa25bc78a7a6289c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e1003041821r11a17e3alebd66b87bc5356cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<12470af01003050554h36afades9a03e70c85a44f6b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2597ddb91003051016k5cf00f73sda7377e9a273f95f@mail.gmail.com>

>
> I was asked if we have tentative dates (which needs a venue I'd guess)
> for the Chennai event, as folks coming to India like to sync their
> schedules and book early. Can someone from Chennai pipe in with
> tentative date and venue suggestions please.
>

Tentative Date is sept 24th and 25th 2010. we are clear of all festivals.


> Fwiw, Pycon has a policy of holding two pycon events at the same venue
> consecutively. This means that pycon 2011 will also be in Atlanta.
> 2012 and 2013 are CA and iirc, they will start the bidding process for
> 2014 and 2015 soon.
>

Remember there being a discussion on this on inpycon. if the need arises we
will be happy to host it in 2011 as well. Alternatively we will also be
happy if some other city bids as well. as long as the local guys in a city
do not find it to be a burden and have fun organizing the event we are all
happy :)

-- 
Kausikram Krishnasayee
Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog:
blog.kausikram.net | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email:
kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490

From vid at svaksha.com  Fri Mar  5 19:54:54 2010
From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?fHwg4KS44KWN4KS14KSV4KWN4KS3IHx8IA==?=)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 13:54:54 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Feb user group meeting
In-Reply-To: <2597ddb91003051016k5cf00f73sda7377e9a273f95f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e1002230705s77fe2015s6d1fcd0e4bea15bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d62196a1002230734oad0607fx35e153388f2ed9be@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d1002230804q390ed600sa25bc78a7a6289c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e1003041821r11a17e3alebd66b87bc5356cf@mail.gmail.com>
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	<2597ddb91003051016k5cf00f73sda7377e9a273f95f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12470af01003051054h5024daf1xb1dee3b3346b2d1c@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 13:16, kausikram krishnasayee
<kausikram at gmail.com> wrote:
> Tentative Date is sept 24th and 25th 2010. we are clear of all festivals.

That helps, Thanks.


> Remember there being a discussion on this on inpycon. if the need arises we
> will be happy to host it in 2011 as well. Alternatively we will also be
> happy if some other city bids as well. as long as the local guys in a city
> do not find it to be a burden and have fun organizing the event we are all
> happy :)

Agreed. But I am not sure how many outside of this list (or the
inpycon list) are aware that other cities can bid if they wish to. For
starters, a page on the wiki perhaps and later communicate this
publicly on the in.pycon.org website so that people are aware of the
process atleast.

-- 
|| vid | http://svaksha.com ||

From noufal at gmail.com  Sat Mar  6 05:30:47 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 10:00:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Feb user group meeting
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e1003050305v635bb122pb0dadd534f2e191a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e1002230705s77fe2015s6d1fcd0e4bea15bc@mail.gmail.com>
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	<c911c70d1002230804q390ed600sa25bc78a7a6289c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e1003041821r11a17e3alebd66b87bc5356cf@mail.gmail.com>
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	<3d62196a1003042120w463c4b25j874a6340094e0b33@mail.gmail.com>
	<65da62241003042136r2332c410w2a2e4936a77ad8db@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <9963e56e1003052030k699f620bpd9f8d4d96fa716cc@mail.gmail.com>

I spoke to Sriram and the venue is confirmed. See you all there.

Kausik,
   We'll bring up the topic of doing the conference in B'lore (2 times
in the same city) or in Chennai at the meeting. I'll post back the
details here. I'm more concerned about the details like sponsorships
and things like that rather than the venue really. Our budget will be
higher this year.

Thanks.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> All right. Here are the meeting details.
>
> Venue : ThoughtWorks, Diamond District, Floor 3.
> Date : 7 March 2010 (Sunday)
> Time : 1500 - 1700 hours.
>
> Sriram,
> ?Will TW be available?
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Gopalakrishnan S <karikrishni at gmail.com> wrote:
>> +1.
>>
>> I would like to attend the meeting/discussion. May I know the venue and
>> timing? I am attending this for first time.
>>
>> My number: 9886991146.
>>
>> I reside in JP Nagar 7th Phase.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Krish
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Srinivasachari <
>> srinivasachari2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Srinivasachari.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5 March 2010 10:50, Arvind Jamuna Dixit <ardsrk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Anyone else?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I will be there too.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Arvind
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > BangPypers mailing list
>>> > BangPypers at python.org
>>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>> >
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BangPypers mailing list
>>> BangPypers at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
>



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Sat Mar  6 05:54:30 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 10:24:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Feb user group meeting
In-Reply-To: <12470af01003051054h5024daf1xb1dee3b3346b2d1c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e1002230705s77fe2015s6d1fcd0e4bea15bc@mail.gmail.com>
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	<c911c70d1002230804q390ed600sa25bc78a7a6289c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e1003041821r11a17e3alebd66b87bc5356cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<12470af01003050554h36afades9a03e70c85a44f6b@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 12:24 AM, || ?????? || <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:
[..]
> Agreed. But I am not sure how many outside of this list (or the
> inpycon list) are aware that other cities can bid if they wish to. For
> starters, a page on the wiki perhaps and later communicate this
> publicly on the in.pycon.org website so that people are aware of the
> process atleast.

The list is more frequented than the in.pycon.org site. A page on the
wiki is a good idea. Can you take care of it?

However, people in the know who are interested in the whole affair
will be on this list. Putting it up on the wiki and then having people
marshall their resources to make a bid will delay it too much. It's
too late for that now.


-- 
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From chintan.bhatt at etatvasoft.com  Mon Mar  8 13:55:20 2010
From: chintan.bhatt at etatvasoft.com (chintan.bhatt at etatvasoft.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 18:25:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] How to use PythonDonNet for calling Pythonscript from
	c#.net
Message-ID: <000b01cabebe$a313fbe0$e93bf3a0$@bhatt@etatvasoft.com>

Hi everyone

 

I am looking for some help regarding how to call Python script from c#.net.

 

I am developing an application in which I need to call a paython script from
the C# (Vs 2008), I just want to pass some params from C# I do not required
to have any returning object from python fuction.

I am huntiong for the solution with no luck yet. I do not know anything
about the python so I need a sample that can give me an idea about this.

 

Also I do not have an idea about how to install and configure PythonDonNet
so that I can use it in VS 2008.

 

Please help me as early as possible.many thnaks in advance.

 

 

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From akk.saravanakumar at gmail.com  Mon Mar  8 15:15:16 2010
From: akk.saravanakumar at gmail.com (Saravanakumar Karunanithi)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 19:45:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] How to use PythonDonNet for calling Pythonscript
	from c#.net
In-Reply-To: <8068770558147014186@unknownmsgid>
References: <8068770558147014186@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <64b485bd1003080615i41290f13w95c0bfe2164da753@mail.gmail.com>

Try IronPython

On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 6:25 PM, <chintan.bhatt at etatvasoft.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
>
>
> I am looking for some help regarding how to call Python script from c#.net.
>
>
>
> I am developing an application in which I need to call a paython script
> from
> the C# (Vs 2008), I just want to pass some params from C# I do not required
> to have any returning object from python fuction.
>
> I am huntiong for the solution with no luck yet. I do not know anything
> about the python so I need a sample that can give me an idea about this.
>
>
>
> Also I do not have an idea about how to install and configure PythonDonNet
> so that I can use it in VS 2008.
>
>
>
> Please help me as early as possible.many thnaks in advance.
>
>
>
>
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From sibtey.mehndi at genpact.com  Mon Mar  8 15:20:27 2010
From: sibtey.mehndi at genpact.com (Mehndi, Sibtey)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 19:50:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] How to use PythonDonNet for calling
	Pythonscript	from c#.net
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References: <8068770558147014186@unknownmsgid>
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Create a COM object and use it into your C#.net

Try IronPython

On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 6:25 PM, <chintan.bhatt at etatvasoft.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
>
>
> I am looking for some help regarding how to call Python script from c#.net.
>
>
>
> I am developing an application in which I need to call a paython script
> from
> the C# (Vs 2008), I just want to pass some params from C# I do not required
> to have any returning object from python fuction.
>
> I am huntiong for the solution with no luck yet. I do not know anything
> about the python so I need a sample that can give me an idea about this.
>
>
>
> Also I do not have an idea about how to install and configure PythonDonNet
> so that I can use it in VS 2008.
>
>
>
> Please help me as early as possible.many thnaks in advance.
>
>
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
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From lorddaemon at gmail.com  Tue Mar  9 05:08:15 2010
From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Darkseid)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 09:38:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] How to use PythonDonNet for calling Pythonscript
 from	c#.net
In-Reply-To: <000b01cabebe$a313fbe0$e93bf3a0$@bhatt@etatvasoft.com>
References: <000b01cabebe$a313fbe0$e93bf3a0$@bhatt@etatvasoft.com>
Message-ID: <4B95C9AF.2080100@gmail.com>

Spawn an external process to run the script. While this is the cheapest 
solution, it may not be the best, especially on Windoze.

Cheers,
Sidu.
http://blog.sidu.in
http://twitter.com/ponnappa

chintan.bhatt at etatvasoft.com wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
>  
>
> I am looking for some help regarding how to call Python script from c#.net.
>
>  
>
> I am developing an application in which I need to call a paython script from
> the C# (Vs 2008), I just want to pass some params from C# I do not required
> to have any returning object from python fuction.
>
> I am huntiong for the solution with no luck yet. I do not know anything
> about the python so I need a sample that can give me an idea about this.
>
>  
>
> Also I do not have an idea about how to install and configure PythonDonNet
> so that I can use it in VS 2008.
>
>  
>
> Please help me as early as possible.many thnaks in advance.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Best Regards,   
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> CHINTAN BHATT | PROJECT LEADER
>
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From vinayakh at gmail.com  Tue Mar  9 14:49:53 2010
From: vinayakh at gmail.com (Vinayak Hegde)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 19:19:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Query generation engine/library
Message-ID: <38940f3c1003090549j14aeadbdlfa6f7cd4253aedca@mail.gmail.com>

<unlurk from lurking mode>

I am looking for a a way to generate optimised queries in SQL (or
SQL-like languages like Hadoop Pig) by chaining clauses such as where,
group by, order by etc based on a set of (optimising) rules. Is there
any such library in python which would let me do that. Example
approach would be create a query object and then use some inbuilt
method to generate the actual query before executing it.

I will probably have to change whatever alternatives are so a good
starting point would be helpful.

-- Vinayak

From b.ghose at gmail.com  Tue Mar  9 14:54:22 2010
From: b.ghose at gmail.com (Baishampayan Ghose)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 19:24:22 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Query generation engine/library
In-Reply-To: <38940f3c1003090549j14aeadbdlfa6f7cd4253aedca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <38940f3c1003090549j14aeadbdlfa6f7cd4253aedca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a9acd2e51003090554n565b2cddo17b77b1dcfc9c8e2@mail.gmail.com>

> I am looking for a a way to generate optimised queries in SQL (or
> SQL-like languages like Hadoop Pig) by chaining clauses such as where,
> group by, order by etc based on a set of (optimising) rules. Is there
> any such library in python which would let me do that. Example
> approach would be create a query object and then use some inbuilt
> method to generate the actual query before executing it.
>
> I will probably have to change whatever alternatives are so a good
> starting point would be helpful.

Take something like Django's ORM or SQLAlchemy and hack it until you
are satisfied :)

Regards,
BG

-- 
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b.ghose at gmail.com

From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 06:29:03 2010
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:59:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Query generation engine/library
In-Reply-To: <a9acd2e51003090554n565b2cddo17b77b1dcfc9c8e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <38940f3c1003090549j14aeadbdlfa6f7cd4253aedca@mail.gmail.com> 
	<a9acd2e51003090554n565b2cddo17b77b1dcfc9c8e2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a13a3b481003092129sb819a63v2beccd60f104bcfd@mail.gmail.com>

I learnt about 'sqlpython' recently. There was a talk on this at PyCon2010.
See if that serves your purpose.
It seems to be "connected" to Oracle/MySql/PostGres etc...
https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/view/PDBService/SqlPython

<https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/view/PDBService/SqlPython>Vishal

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Baishampayan Ghose <b.ghose at gmail.com>wrote:

> > I am looking for a a way to generate optimised queries in SQL (or
> > SQL-like languages like Hadoop Pig) by chaining clauses such as where,
> > group by, order by etc based on a set of (optimising) rules. Is there
> > any such library in python which would let me do that. Example
> > approach would be create a query object and then use some inbuilt
> > method to generate the actual query before executing it.
> >
> > I will probably have to change whatever alternatives are so a good
> > starting point would be helpful.
>
> Take something like Django's ORM or SQLAlchemy and hack it until you
> are satisfied :)
>
> Regards,
> BG
>
> --
> Baishampayan Ghose
> b.ghose at gmail.com
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!!!"
"A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else.
Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
"Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?
"May we do good and not evil. May we find forgiveness for ourself and
forgive others. May we share freely, never taking more than we give."

From vinayakh at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 10:20:52 2010
From: vinayakh at gmail.com (Vinayak Hegde)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:50:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Query generation engine/library
In-Reply-To: <a9acd2e51003090554n565b2cddo17b77b1dcfc9c8e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <38940f3c1003090549j14aeadbdlfa6f7cd4253aedca@mail.gmail.com>
	<a9acd2e51003090554n565b2cddo17b77b1dcfc9c8e2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38940f3c1003100120u417593e8p2cd6beb4600dbea8@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah that was my fallback option. Was just checking if there is
something more sophisticated. Looks like I will have to combine
parsing with something like spark or some other code generation
engine.

-- Vinayak

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Baishampayan Ghose <b.ghose at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I am looking for a a way to generate optimised queries in SQL (or
>> SQL-like languages like Hadoop Pig) by chaining clauses such as where,
>> group by, order by etc based on a set of (optimising) rules. Is there
>> any such library in python which would let me do that. Example
>> approach would be create a query object and then use some inbuilt
>> method to generate the actual query before executing it.
>>
>> I will probably have to change whatever alternatives are so a good
>> starting point would be helpful.
>
> Take something like Django's ORM or SQLAlchemy and hack it until you
> are satisfied :)
>
> Regards,
> BG
>
> --
> Baishampayan Ghose
> b.ghose at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From kshipras at packtpub.com  Wed Mar 10 12:16:22 2010
From: kshipras at packtpub.com (Kshipra Singh)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:46:22 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Opportunity to author Python cookbooks- Packt
	Publishing
Message-ID: <8FB0A8520D9745ED9A1057F9A74EE7DB@sonyPC>

Hi BangPypers,

I am writing to you for Packt Publishing, the publishers computer related books.

We are planning to extend our catalogue of cookbooks and are currently inviting "Python" fanatics interested in writing a cookbook. So, if you love "Python" and are interested in writing a cookbook, please contact us with your book ideas at author at packtpub.com. Even if you do not have a book idea and are simply interested in authoring a cookbook, we are still keen to hear from you. 

More details about the opportunity are available at: http://authors.packtpub.com/content/python-fanatics-invited-write-packt

Thanks
Kshipra Singh
Author Relationship Manager
Packt Publishing
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Skype: kshiprasingh15
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Interested in becoming an author? Visit http://authors.packtpub.com for all the information you need about writing for Packt.

From kushalnitt at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 15:52:50 2010
From: kushalnitt at gmail.com (kushal gupta)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:22:50 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Timezone issues with datetime module.
Message-ID: <d144d9d61003100652y7f684a34q38a0723235ab23c0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
  I am facing an issue with datetime module with some timezones (especially
day light savings).
Given the date and the timezone, I want to convert it to the UTC date and
time.

Here is the snippet:

import datetime
import mx.DateTime
from dateutil import zoneinfo
def parse_date(date, tzname):
    feed_time =  mx.DateTime.strptime(date, '%d-%m-%Y')
    feed_datetime = datetime.datetime(*feed_time.timetuple()[:6],
tzinfo=zoneinfo.gettz(tzname))
    feed_time = mx.DateTime.DateTime(*feed_datetime.utctimetuple()[:6])

    return feed_time

>>>parse_date('28-03-2010', 'Australia/Melbourne')
<mx.DateTime.DateTime object for '2010-03-27 13:00:00.00' at 7f965cf55d98>
>>> parse_date('29-03-2010', 'Australia/Melbourne')
<mx.DateTime.DateTime object for '2010-03-28 14:00:00.00' at 7f965cf673f8>

which says day light savings ended on 28th March (seeing at the outputs,
there is a difference of 1 hr in time) but it actually ended on April 4th
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=152


for  'America/Anchorage' the same code works fine (DST starts on 14th March
02:00 hours)
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=18

>>> parse_date('14-03-2010', 'America/Anchorage')
<mx.DateTime.DateTime object for '2010-03-14 09:00:00.00' at 87fef8>
>>> parse_date('15-03-2010', 'America/Anchorage')
<mx.DateTime.DateTime object for '2010-03-15 08:00:00.00' at 87fef8>

What am i missing here?

Please help.
Thanks Kushal.

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 19:21:11 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:51:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Timezone issues with datetime module.
In-Reply-To: <d144d9d61003100652y7f684a34q38a0723235ab23c0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d144d9d61003100652y7f684a34q38a0723235ab23c0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100310182111.GA4284@ubuntu.ubuntu-domain>

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 08:22:50PM +0530, kushal gupta wrote:
> Hi,
>   I am facing an issue with datetime module with some timezones (especially
> day light savings).

You are using three different modules, datetime, mx.Datetime and
dateutil. You are using the timezone information facility provided by
the dateutil module.

The problem is the timezone information provided by the dateutil
module. You may want to check the documentation of dateutil and see
why its not taking the day light savings time properly.

A better idea is to define your own tzinfo class with the particulars
of day light savings time, which you have the information about.

Look into the documentation of datetime module in the Python standard
library, where the example of defining your own timezone information
is available.  That should do the task.


-- 
Senthil
We don't understand the software, and sometimes we don't understand the
hardware, but we can *___see* the blinking lights!

From mbaiju at zeomega.com  Wed Mar 10 19:27:43 2010
From: mbaiju at zeomega.com (Baiju M)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:57:43 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [BangPypers] Timezone issues with datetime module.
In-Reply-To: <d144d9d61003100652y7f684a34q38a0723235ab23c0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1846917306.2367.1268245663605.JavaMail.root@mail.zeomega.com>

----- "kushal gupta" <kushalnitt at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>   I am facing an issue with datetime module with some timezones
> (especially
> day light savings).
> Given the date and the timezone, I want to convert it to the UTC date
> and
> time.

May be this is useful:

http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pytz


Regards,
Baiju M

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Mar 10 21:48:02 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 02:18:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Feb user group meeting
In-Reply-To: <c911c70d1003041831q65b2aac1t39a4fb1da97d73c1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e1002230705s77fe2015s6d1fcd0e4bea15bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d62196a1002230734oad0607fx35e153388f2ed9be@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d1002230804q390ed600sa25bc78a7a6289c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e1003041821r11a17e3alebd66b87bc5356cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d1003041831q65b2aac1t39a4fb1da97d73c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e1003101248h1ab16206i955bbaec393482a5@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.com> wrote:
[..]
>> After that, we're open, anyone with ideas on stuff to speak about? I
>> spent the sprint days with the packaging people (Tarek and company) so
>> I have some idea on what's going on there. I could speak on that. The
>> state of packaging in Python is a bit of ?mess and it needs help.
>
> I would like to hear about that.
>[..]
Attached is the outline I used when talking about the packaging in Python.


                         Packaging in Python
                         ===================

Author: Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>
Date: 2010-03-11 01:04:42 IST


Table of Contents
=================
1 Terms
    1.1 Top level libraries
    1.2 Tools
    1.3 Services
2 Problems with setuptools
3 Related tools
4 Reference materials
    4.1 http://guide.python-distribute.org
    4.2 Distutils docs
5 Upto date information
6 Helping out


1 Terms
========

1.1 Top level libraries
------------------------
    - Distutils         : Standard library simple stuff
    - Setuptools        : Massive improvements to setuptools by Philip Eby
    - Distribute        : Fork of Setuptools by Tarek
    - Distutils2        : Nextgen distutils + setuptools for standard
library (Python 3.3)

1.2 Tools
----------
    - easy_install      : Installer which is part of setuptools (PJE)
    - pip               : Next gen installer which will be part of
distutils2 (Ian Bicking)

1.3 Services
-------------
    - PyPI              : CPAN for Python (Richard Jones[web] + Andrew
Kuchling[metadata])

2 Problems with setuptools
===========================
   - Semi unmaintained.
   - No fast enough releases.
   - No Python 3 support

3 Related tools
================
   - Virtualenv
     - For private pools of packages which can be used for a projects
     - Ian Bicking's hack
   - Buildout
     - More heavy duty for complete isolated, repeatable installations
     - Extensible using recipes

4 Reference materials
======================

4.1 [http://guide.python-distribute.org]
-----------------------------------------
    - Hitchhikers guide to packaging
    - [http://bitbucket.org/tarek/hitchhiker-guide-packaging/wiki/Home]
      to contribute.
    - [http://guide.python-distribute.org/history.html] for historical
information

4.2 Distutils docs
-------------------
    - [http://docs.python.org/library/distutils.html] (Greg Ward,
Anthony Baxter)


5 Upto date information
========================
   - [http://twitter.com/packagingpig]
   - Why a pig?

6 Helping out
==============
   - Distutils2 : [https://bitbucket.org/tarek/distutils2/]
   - Distribute : [https://bitbucket.org/tarek/distribute/]
   - HHG2P      : [https://bitbucket.org/tarek/hitchhiker-guide-packaging/]





-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Thu Mar 11 04:55:33 2010
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:25:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Feb user group meeting
In-Reply-To: <9963e56e1003101248h1ab16206i955bbaec393482a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e1002230705s77fe2015s6d1fcd0e4bea15bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d62196a1002230734oad0607fx35e153388f2ed9be@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d1002230804q390ed600sa25bc78a7a6289c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e1003041821r11a17e3alebd66b87bc5356cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d1003041831q65b2aac1t39a4fb1da97d73c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e1003101248h1ab16206i955bbaec393482a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6e38f9f01003101955k7485a7b9u900d39bf50e7922@mail.gmail.com>

> >[..



]
> Attached is the outline I used when talking about the packaging in Python.
>
>
>                         Packaging in Python
>                         ===================
>
> Author: Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>
> Date: 2010-03-11 01:04:42 IST
>
>
> Table of Contents
> =================
> 1 Terms
>    1.1 Top level libraries
>    1.2 Tools
>    1.3 Services
> 2 Problems with setuptools
> 3 Related tools
> 4 Reference materials
>    4.1 http://guide.python-distribute.org
>    4.2 Distutils docs
> 5 Upto date information
> 6 Helping out
>
>
> 1 Terms
> ========
>
> 1.1 Top level libraries
> ------------------------
>    - Distutils         : Standard library simple stuff
>    - Setuptools        : Massive improvements to setuptools by Philip Eby
>    - Distribute        : Fork of Setuptools by Tarek
>    - Distutils2        : Nextgen distutils + setuptools for standard
> library (Python 3.3)
>
> 1.2 Tools
> ----------
>    - easy_install      : Installer which is part of setuptools (PJE)
>    - pip               : Next gen installer which will be part of
> distutils2 (Ian Bicking)
>
> 1.3 Services
> -------------
>    - PyPI              : CPAN for Python (Richard Jones[web] + Andrew
> Kuchling[metadata])
>
> 2 Problems with setuptools
> ===========================
>   - Semi unmaintained.
>   - No fast enough releases.
>   - No Python 3 support
>
> 3 Related tools
> ================
>   - Virtualenv
>     - For private pools of packages which can be used for a projects
>     - Ian Bicking's hack
>   - Buildout
>     - More heavy duty for complete isolated, repeatable installations
>     - Extensible using recipes
>
> 4 Reference materials
> ======================
>
> 4.1 [http://guide.python-distribute.org]
> -----------------------------------------
>    - Hitchhikers guide to packaging
>    - [http://bitbucket.org/tarek/hitchhiker-guide-packaging/wiki/Home]
>      to contribute.
>    - [http://guide.python-distribute.org/history.html] for historical
> information
>
> 4.2 Distutils docs
> -------------------
>    - [http://docs.python.org/library/distutils.html] (Greg Ward,
> Anthony Baxter)
>
>
> 5 Upto date information
> ========================
>   - [http://twitter.com/packagingpig]
>   - Why a pig?
>
> 6 Helping out
> ==============
>   - Distutils2 : [https://bitbucket.org/tarek/distutils2/]
>   - Distribute : [https://bitbucket.org/tarek/distribute/]
>   - HHG2P      : [https://bitbucket.org/tarek/hitchhiker-guide-packaging/]
>
>
---This is something I'd like to attend. Please confirm the dates



-- 
Ramdas S
+91 9342 583 065

From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Mar 11 06:00:02 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:30:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Feb user group meeting
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f01003101955k7485a7b9u900d39bf50e7922@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9963e56e1002230705s77fe2015s6d1fcd0e4bea15bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d62196a1002230734oad0607fx35e153388f2ed9be@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d1002230804q390ed600sa25bc78a7a6289c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e1003041821r11a17e3alebd66b87bc5356cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<c911c70d1003041831q65b2aac1t39a4fb1da97d73c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<9963e56e1003101248h1ab16206i955bbaec393482a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<6e38f9f01003101955k7485a7b9u900d39bf50e7922@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e1003102100y4c105ea0v78e423c550038c65@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
> ---This is something I'd like to attend. Please confirm the dates

March 6 2010. Last weekend. :)


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From jinsthomas at gmail.com  Thu Mar 11 07:43:45 2010
From: jinsthomas at gmail.com (Jins Thomas)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:13:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Tools for writing books and publishing as pdfs
Message-ID: <b15547391003102243j2f02d99w78e8b272835af55b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

This is an off-topic.

Would somebody please pass some suggestions on how we can write some e-book,
technical in nature. I'm planning to write one book on telecom network
domain . My main motive is to learn some more solid things while writing
this book. So i was just thinking there is any good way by which we write
this and publish as pdfs in the internet. I was curious how our free python
tutorials being written, like 'A byte of python' , ThinkCSPY etc.




Cheers
Jins Thomas

From lists.amitsaha at gmail.com  Thu Mar 11 07:48:04 2010
From: lists.amitsaha at gmail.com (Amit Saha)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:18:04 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Tools for writing books and publishing as pdfs
In-Reply-To: <b15547391003102243j2f02d99w78e8b272835af55b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b15547391003102243j2f02d99w78e8b272835af55b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B989224.7070404@gmail.com>

Hello Jins Thomas:

Jins Thomas wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> This is an off-topic.
> 
> Would somebody please pass some suggestions on how we can write some e-book,
> technical in nature. I'm planning to write one book on telecom network
> domain . My main motive is to learn some more solid things while writing
> this book. So i was just thinking there is any good way by which we write
> this and publish as pdfs in the internet. I was curious how our free python
> tutorials being written, like 'A byte of python' , ThinkCSPY etc.

<Shameless plug for LaTex>

They use mainly LaTex- the advantage being that you have print quality 
PDFs,PS, and HTML from the same source. So, if you have used LaTex, it 
is a good bet. If you haven't, you may want to explore the option. I 
have a feeling, you might just fall in love with it :)

</Shameless plug for LaTex>

Another option is to look at DocBook. (which I just happen to know of).

HTH,
Amit


> 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Jins Thomas
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> 


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?-blog: http://twitter.com/amitsaha
IRC: cornucopic on #scheme, #lisp, #math, #linux

From abpillai at gmail.com  Thu Mar 11 07:51:31 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:21:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Tools for writing books and publishing as pdfs
In-Reply-To: <b15547391003102243j2f02d99w78e8b272835af55b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b15547391003102243j2f02d99w78e8b272835af55b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f31003102251k61d61b8bjbbd6076e0167d8a6@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Jins Thomas <jinsthomas at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> This is an off-topic.
>
> Would somebody please pass some suggestions on how we can write some
> e-book,
> technical in nature. I'm planning to write one book on telecom network
> domain . My main motive is to learn some more solid things while writing
> this book. So i was just thinking there is any good way by which we write
> this and publish as pdfs in the internet. I was curious how our free python
> tutorials being written, like 'A byte of python' , ThinkCSPY etc.
>

In the Python world, I would say restructuredText, docutils, Sphinx
in that order.



>
>
>
>
> Cheers
> Jins Thomas
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
--Anand

From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Mar 11 08:09:24 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:39:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Tools for writing books and publishing as pdfs
In-Reply-To: <b15547391003102243j2f02d99w78e8b272835af55b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b15547391003102243j2f02d99w78e8b272835af55b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e1003102309s48960804mafb9494475f9af4c@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Jins Thomas <jinsthomas at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> This is an off-topic.
>
> Would somebody please pass some suggestions on how we can write some e-book,
> technical in nature. I'm planning to write one book on telecom network
> domain . My main motive is to learn some more solid things while writing
> this book. So i was just thinking there is any good way by which we write
> this and publish as pdfs in the internet. I was curious how our free python
> tutorials being written, like 'A byte of python' , ThinkCSPY etc.

http://us.pycon.org/2010/conference/schedule/event/69/ might be
relevant to what you're looking for.

One thing to not lose sight of is the fact that with books, content is
much more important than style and presentation. I'd suggest you focus
on that and stick with any technology that you're comfortable with.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Mar 11 08:23:10 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:53:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Tools for writing books and publishing as pdfs
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f31003102251k61d61b8bjbbd6076e0167d8a6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b15547391003102243j2f02d99w78e8b272835af55b@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f31003102251k61d61b8bjbbd6076e0167d8a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201003111253.10320.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Thursday 11 Mar 2010 12:21:31 pm Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> > Would somebody please pass some suggestions on how we can write some
> > e-book,
> > technical in nature. I'm planning to write one book on telecom network
> > domain . My main motive is to learn some more solid things while writing
> > this book. So i was just thinking there is any good way by which we write
> > this and publish as pdfs in the internet. I was curious how our free
> > python tutorials being written, like 'A byte of python' , ThinkCSPY etc.
> 
> In the Python world, I would say restructuredText, docutils, Sphinx
> in that order.
> 

the whole point is: how are you going to write the book? Collaborative open 
source effort with version control - or just your own thing? The above 
recomendations are for the first, and for the second, use any word/text 
processor you want.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in

From saju.pillai at gmail.com  Thu Mar 11 08:31:56 2010
From: saju.pillai at gmail.com (Saju Pillai)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:01:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Tools for writing books and publishing as pdfs
In-Reply-To: <b15547391003102243j2f02d99w78e8b272835af55b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b15547391003102243j2f02d99w78e8b272835af55b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B989C6C.4040609@gmail.com>

Jins Thomas wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> This is an off-topic.
> 
> Would somebody please pass some suggestions on how we can write some e-book,
> technical in nature. I'm planning to write one book on telecom network
> domain . My main motive is to learn some more solid things while writing
> this book. So i was just thinking there is any good way by which we write
> this and publish as pdfs in the internet. I was curious how our free python
> tutorials being written, like 'A byte of python' , ThinkCSPY etc.
>

Recommend LaTex.

I tried using DocBook, but all that XML love caused a minor haemorrhage, 
YMMV ofcourse.

-srp




From jaideep.dhok at gmail.com  Thu Mar 11 08:38:49 2010
From: jaideep.dhok at gmail.com (Jaideep Dhok)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:08:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Tools for writing books and publishing as pdfs
In-Reply-To: <4B989C6C.4040609@gmail.com>
References: <b15547391003102243j2f02d99w78e8b272835af55b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4B989C6C.4040609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <71c5dd411003102338o5d4969eapced54bb25fdd4562@mail.gmail.com>

You can take a look at LyX - http://www.lyx.org/. It's a document
processor that uses LaTeX in the background. Makes using LaTeX bit
easier.

-
Jaideep

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Saju Pillai <saju.pillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> Jins Thomas wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> This is an off-topic.
>>
>> Would somebody please pass some suggestions on how we can write some
>> e-book,
>> technical in nature. I'm planning to write one book on telecom network
>> domain . My main motive is to learn some more solid things while writing
>> this book. So i was just thinking there is any good way by which we write
>> this and publish as pdfs in the internet. I was curious how our free
>> python
>> tutorials being written, like 'A byte of python' , ThinkCSPY etc.
>>
>
> Recommend LaTex.
>
> I tried using DocBook, but all that XML love caused a minor haemorrhage,
> YMMV ofcourse.
>
> -srp
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Jaideep Dhok

From vinayakh at gmail.com  Thu Mar 11 08:52:50 2010
From: vinayakh at gmail.com (Vinayak Hegde)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:22:50 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Tools for writing books and publishing as pdfs
In-Reply-To: <b15547391003102243j2f02d99w78e8b272835af55b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b15547391003102243j2f02d99w78e8b272835af55b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38940f3c1003102352n11b658a5ua0deaf7b5b9574b2@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Jins Thomas <jinsthomas at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> This is an off-topic.
>
> Would somebody please pass some suggestions on how we can write some e-book,
> technical in nature. I'm planning to write one book on telecom network
> domain . My main motive is to learn some more solid things while writing
> this book. So i was just thinking there is any good way by which we write
> this and publish as pdfs in the internet. I was curious how our free python
> tutorials being written, like 'A byte of python' , ThinkCSPY etc.

As other have suggested - Latex would be ideal. It is also possible to
write using a wiki. There are some plugins for mediawiki which can
help you convert to PDF but the output would not be as good as Latex.

-- Vinayak

From steve at lonetwin.net  Thu Mar 11 09:06:57 2010
From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:36:57 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Tools for writing books and publishing as pdfs
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f31003102251k61d61b8bjbbd6076e0167d8a6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b15547391003102243j2f02d99w78e8b272835af55b@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f31003102251k61d61b8bjbbd6076e0167d8a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B98A4A1.8020103@lonetwin.net>

On 03/11/2010 12:21 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Jins Thomas<jinsthomas at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>>  Hi all,
>>
>>  This is an off-topic.
>>
>>  Would somebody please pass some suggestions on how we can write some
>>  e-book,
>>  technical in nature. I'm planning to write one book on telecom network
>>  domain . My main motive is to learn some more solid things while writing
>>  this book. So i was just thinking there is any good way by which we write
>>  this and publish as pdfs in the internet. I was curious how our free python
>>  tutorials being written, like 'A byte of python' , ThinkCSPY etc.
>>
>
> In the Python world, I would say restructuredText, docutils, Sphinx
> in that order.
>
Just to chip in, restrcturedText can also export to LaTeX besides other formats 
(rst2* commands). For a book though, I would recommend investing time to learn 
LaTeX and using it directly instead.

cheers,
- steve
-- 
random new spiel: http://lonetwin.net/
random old spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/
what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

From kushaldas at gmail.com  Thu Mar 11 09:38:46 2010
From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:08:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Tools for writing books and publishing as pdfs
In-Reply-To: <b15547391003102243j2f02d99w78e8b272835af55b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b15547391003102243j2f02d99w78e8b272835af55b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b399909d1003110038p3f2178adg599da6729a50026@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Jins Thomas <jinsthomas at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> This is an off-topic.
>
> Would somebody please pass some suggestions on how we can write some e-book,
> technical in nature. I'm planning to write one book on telecom network
> domain . My main motive is to learn some more solid things while writing
> this book. So i was just thinking there is any good way by which we write
> this and publish as pdfs in the internet. I was curious how our free python
> tutorials being written, like 'A byte of python' , ThinkCSPY etc.
You can try publican, result will look like [1], you can generate
result in other formats also.

[1] http://kushal.fedorapeople.org/book/

Kushal
-- 
http://fedoraproject.org
http://kushaldas.in

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Thu Mar 11 10:40:21 2010
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:10:21 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Tools for writing books and publishing as pdfs
In-Reply-To: <b399909d1003110038p3f2178adg599da6729a50026@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b15547391003102243j2f02d99w78e8b272835af55b@mail.gmail.com>
	<b399909d1003110038p3f2178adg599da6729a50026@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6e38f9f01003110140u12829372qecd517c3c28aca0@mail.gmail.com>

>
>
> My two cents

Invest more time into getting great content, make it slick, ensure no typos,
and non-ambiguous accurate content rather than worry about styling and
presentation

In case if some publisher wants to publish/print your book, make sure
whatever format you use is easily imported  into MS Word. I spent years in
publishing, and still has a leg in the space, and everyone needs it in MS
Word...





-- 
Ramdas S
+91 9342 583 065

From Girish.Goudar at goodrich.com  Fri Mar 12 07:34:18 2010
From: Girish.Goudar at goodrich.com (Goudar, Girish)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:34:18 +0800
Subject: [BangPypers] Hi
Message-ID: <DD806E02E324864EA77B3B4C8E456F952E17C2A0@nhc3ex14.goodrich.root.local>

Hi,

 

Can u pls tell what the return value of python function is? 

 

socket.connect((host, port))

 

on SUCCESS and on FAIL?

 

Regards,

Girish P.G

 


From noufal at gmail.com  Fri Mar 12 07:57:44 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:27:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Hi
In-Reply-To: <DD806E02E324864EA77B3B4C8E456F952E17C2A0@nhc3ex14.goodrich.root.local>
References: <DD806E02E324864EA77B3B4C8E456F952E17C2A0@nhc3ex14.goodrich.root.local>
Message-ID: <9963e56e1003112257j4fd990dfra00a21a4ccbeb920@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Goudar, Girish
<Girish.Goudar at goodrich.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Can u pls tell what the return value of python function is?
>
>
>
> socket.connect((host, port))
>
>
>
> on SUCCESS and on FAIL?

The details are at http://docs.python.org/library/socket.html

Python code doesn't usually rely on returning an error value. All
error conditions are abstracted into exceptions which your calling
code can catch. From the docs.

    All errors raise exceptions. The normal exceptions for invalid
argument types and out-of-memory conditions can be raised; errors
related to socket or address semantics raise the error socket.error.

[..]


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Fri Mar 12 08:02:53 2010
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:32:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Hi
References: <DD806E02E324864EA77B3B4C8E456F952E17C2A0@nhc3ex14.goodrich.root.local>
	<9963e56e1003112257j4fd990dfra00a21a4ccbeb920@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D832E0@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>


>All error conditions are abstracted into exceptions which your calling
>code can catch.

My 2 cents;from the Zen of Python ,
"Errors should never pass silently,Unless explicitly silenced"


Thanks&Regards,
Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy, 
Mobile:9393099772, 

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Mon Mar 15 09:24:38 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:54:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] recursion not working
Message-ID: <201003151354.39162.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

hi,

here is a function I have written:

def getaccbal(accnt,bal):
    account = Account.objects.get(pk=accnt)
    
    if account.vouch:
        bal = bal + getledgerob(account)
    else:
        children = account.account_set.all()
        for child in children:
            getaccbal(child.id,bal)
    return bal

if I try this with bal=0, on each recursion bal gets reset to 0 and I always 
get a 0 as a result. (If I put bal=20, result is 20). Must be something very 
simple that I am missing.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in

From rmathews at gmail.com  Mon Mar 15 09:44:28 2010
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:14:28 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] recursion not working
In-Reply-To: <201003151354.39162.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <201003151354.39162.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <1c4dc2781003150144n118d8c3alcb67da109466ffe@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 13:54, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> ? ? ? ?for child in children:
> ? ? ? ? ? ?getaccbal(child.id,bal)

This line returns a "balance" which is discarded.  Maybe it should be:
bal += getaccbal(...) ?

Roshan Mathews

From hiddenharmony at gmail.com  Mon Mar 15 09:44:47 2010
From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:14:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] recursion not working
In-Reply-To: <201003151354.39162.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <201003151354.39162.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <91bea30d1003150144o53105dbbp11882b29f10ef814@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> hi,
>
> here is a function I have written:
>
> def getaccbal(accnt,bal):
> ? ?account = Account.objects.get(pk=accnt)
>
> ? ?if account.vouch:
> ? ? ? ?bal = bal + getledgerob(account)
> ? ?else:
> ? ? ? ?children = account.account_set.all()
> ? ? ? ?for child in children:
> ? ? ? ? ? ?getaccbal(child.id,bal)
> ? ?return bal
>
> if I try this with bal=0, on each recursion bal gets reset to 0 and I always
> get a 0 as a result. (If I put bal=20, result is 20). Must be something very
> simple that I am missing.

 Look at the else block. you are calling getaccbal but not receiving
the return value in any variable. Unless you receive the value in a
variable or pass bal as a reference, bal will contain the old value.
If you are using OOP then you should be calling geraccbal as self.bal
.

regards
Vivek

-- 
The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!!

From pythonic at gmail.com  Mon Mar 15 09:46:37 2010
From: pythonic at gmail.com (Shekhar)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:16:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] recursion not working
In-Reply-To: <201003151354.39162.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
References: <201003151354.39162.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
Message-ID: <4B9DF3ED.1020301@gmail.com>

Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> hi,
>
> here is a function I have written:
>
> def getaccbal(accnt,bal):
>     account = Account.objects.get(pk=accnt)
>     
>     if account.vouch:
>         bal = bal + getledgerob(account)
>     else:
>         children = account.account_set.all()
>         for child in children:
>             getaccbal(child.id,bal)
>     return bal
>   
may be

    for child in children:
        bal += getaccbal(child.id, bal)
       ^^^^^
return bal
> if I try this with bal=0, on each recursion bal gets reset to 0 and I always 
> get a 0 as a result. (If I put bal=20, result is 20). Must be something very 
> simple that I am missing.
>   


From jeffjosejeff at gmail.com  Mon Mar 15 10:03:52 2010
From: jeffjosejeff at gmail.com (Jeffrey Jose)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 14:33:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] recursion not working
In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2781003150144n118d8c3alcb67da109466ffe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201003151354.39162.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<1c4dc2781003150144n118d8c3alcb67da109466ffe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cae1cffe1003150203tbd92714kecc2a26389016dec@mail.gmail.com>

Good catch.

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 13:54, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>
> wrote:
> >        for child in children:
> >            getaccbal(child.id,bal)
>
> This line returns a "balance" which is discarded.  Maybe it should be:
> bal += getaccbal(...) ?
>
> Roshan Mathews
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Mon Mar 15 10:48:19 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:18:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] recursion not working
In-Reply-To: <1c4dc2781003150144n118d8c3alcb67da109466ffe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201003151354.39162.lawgon@au-kbc.org>
	<1c4dc2781003150144n118d8c3alcb67da109466ffe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201003151518.19492.lawgon@au-kbc.org>

On Monday 15 Mar 2010 2:14:28 pm Roshan Mathews wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 13:54, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> >        for child in children:
> >            getaccbal(child.id,bal)
> 
> This line returns a "balance" which is discarded.  Maybe it should be:
> bal += getaccbal(...) ?
> 

yes. thanks.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS
http://certificate.nrcfoss.au-kbc.org.in

From anand.shashwat at gmail.com  Fri Mar 19 12:04:43 2010
From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 16:34:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Joel post on DVCS (probably his last one)
Message-ID: <d4ab53de1003190404q4e412adu3a6f2dc0996fd126@mail.gmail.com>

In what might be his last Joel on Software post (for awhile, at least)
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2010/03/17.html

Summary:
Early 2009: Joel disses DVCSes. His programmers switch from subversion to
hg. Joel grumbles. His programmers develop an hg-related product. Joel takes
a better look.

Joel sees the light: Subversion controls versions, hg controls changes; this
make merging much easier.
Joel flips (his opinion): Switch now!

Joel write hg tutorial: http://hginit.com/
It starts with "Subversion Re-education" for existing version-oriented
system users and continue with "Ground up Mercurial" where new vcs users can
start. It has several simple examples.

Having gotten that far, I think this might be worth referencing in new dev
docs.

As quoted by 'Terry Jan Reedy' in python-dev mailing list

From createam at gmail.com  Mon Mar 22 10:44:10 2010
From: createam at gmail.com (Manoj NV)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:14:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] web.py on apache and windows
Message-ID: <75d67a191003220244r3b96f21asd17d8d0ac5911da8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm trying to use web.py on apache, but sadly I'm on windows and getting
into lot of issues.

I'm using the instructions here http://webpy.org/cookbook/fastcgi-apache for
the configuration.

Now I get these errors in the apache error logs
[Mon Mar 22 15:03:47 2010] [info] mod_fcgid: server
TH0452.thbs.india.com:C:/Python26/python.exe(1384)
started
[Mon Mar 22 15:03:47 2010] [warn] [client 127.0.0.1] (OS 109)The pipe has
been ended.  : mod_fcgid: get overlap result error
[Mon Mar 22 15:03:47 2010] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Premature end of
script headers: code.py
[Mon Mar 22 15:03:52 2010] [info] mod_fcgid: process
C:/Python26/python.exe(1384) exit(communication error), return code 1


If I run my code.py independently, I get,

Status: 404 Not Found
Content-Type: text/html

not foundWSGIServer: missing FastCGI param REQUEST_METHOD required by WSGI!
WSGIServer: missing FastCGI param SERVER_NAME required by WSGI!
WSGIServer: missing FastCGI param SERVER_PORT required by WSGI!
WSGIServer: missing FastCGI param SERVER_PROTOCOL required by WSGI!

which looks fine to me.

Anyone faced these issues and have any solutions/workarounds for this?

Thanks,
Manoj

From manish at indiakhelo.com  Mon Mar 22 13:36:52 2010
From: manish at indiakhelo.com (Manish Singh)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:06:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python-Django developers required
Message-ID: <39c32c31003220536n74b113fdt738001064c5df9d7@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

IndiaKhelo is looking for full-time/part-time Django developers for
developing a web project.

*Requirements:*
* Must have experience in developing and deploying web projects (end-to-end)
in Django.
* Must have experience in MySQL.
* Must be comfortable with Django template system.
* Knowledge of JavaScript
* Knowledge of Apache
Location: Bangalore
**
If interested, please send your resume at manish at indiakhelo.com or contact
at the number below.

Regards,
Manish Singh
IndiaKhelo
+91 95350095341

From abpillai at gmail.com  Mon Mar 22 13:39:33 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:09:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python-Django developers required
In-Reply-To: <39c32c31003220536n74b113fdt738001064c5df9d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39c32c31003220536n74b113fdt738001064c5df9d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8548c5f31003220539y4ed4ed66s1a5b339ba7a0a32@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Manish Singh <manish at indiakhelo.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>  <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers>
>

Please prefix title of job postings with [Job].

Thanks

--Anand



-- 
--Anand

From manish at indiakhelo.com  Mon Mar 22 13:41:05 2010
From: manish at indiakhelo.com (Manish Singh)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:11:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python-Django developers required
Message-ID: <39c32c31003220541w4a12e409r29704c8a99febcd2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

IndiaKhelo is looking for full-time/part-time Django developers for
developing a web project.

*Requirements:*
* Must have experience in developing and deploying web projects (end-to-end)
in Django.
* Must have experience in MySQL.
* Must be comfortable with Django template system.
* Knowledge of JavaScript
* Knowledge of Apache
Location: Bangalore
**
If interested, please send your resume at manish at indiakhelo.com or contact
at the number below.

Regards,
Manish Singh
IndiaKhelo
+91 9535009541

From steve at lonetwin.net  Mon Mar 22 14:10:10 2010
From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 18:40:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python-Django developers required
In-Reply-To: <8548c5f31003220539y4ed4ed66s1a5b339ba7a0a32@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39c32c31003220536n74b113fdt738001064c5df9d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<8548c5f31003220539y4ed4ed66s1a5b339ba7a0a32@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BA76C32.4060509@lonetwin.net>

On 03/22/2010 06:09 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Manish Singh<manish at indiakhelo.com>  wrote:
>
>>  Hi,
>>
>>   <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers>
>>
>
> Please prefix title of job postings with [Job].
>
Also, posting here might help too:
http://fossjobs.in
http://www.python.org/community/jobs/index.html

cheers,
- steve

-- 
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random old spiel: http://lonetwin.blogspot.com/
what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

From alephnull at hcoop.net  Mon Mar 22 11:30:23 2010
From: alephnull at hcoop.net (Alok G. Singh)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:00:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] web.py on apache and windows
References: <75d67a191003220244r3b96f21asd17d8d0ac5911da8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87d3ywbqdc.fsf@klein.localdomain>

Given a choice, I'd setup web.py as a WSGI service rather than
FastCGI. Also, make sure you are using the latest web.py. You should
also join the web.py mailing list[1].


Footnotes: 
[1]  http://groups.google.com/group/webpy/

-- 
Alok

Love is an obsessive delusion that is cured by marriage.
		-- Dr. Karl Bowman


From createam at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 05:08:32 2010
From: createam at gmail.com (Manoj NV)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 09:38:32 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] web.py on apache and windows
In-Reply-To: <87d3ywbqdc.fsf@klein.localdomain>
References: <75d67a191003220244r3b96f21asd17d8d0ac5911da8@mail.gmail.com>
	<87d3ywbqdc.fsf@klein.localdomain>
Message-ID: <75d67a191003222108u5d0eeb13ud32d97cdf941dd61@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Alok. The main reason I'm trying to setup with fastcgi is not all
webhosts support wsgi. I'll look into that option too.

Thanks,
Manoj

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Alok G. Singh <alephnull at hcoop.net> wrote:

> Given a choice, I'd setup web.py as a WSGI service rather than
> FastCGI. Also, make sure you are using the latest web.py. You should
> also join the web.py mailing list[1].
>
>
> Footnotes:
> [1]  http://groups.google.com/group/webpy/
>
> --
> Alok
>
> Love is an obsessive delusion that is cured by marriage.
>                -- Dr. Karl Bowman
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From goldee at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 06:53:54 2010
From: goldee at gmail.com (Goldee Udani)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:23:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Job: Python/Django Developer
Message-ID: <ad1a62f11003222253s63053cb9k79a7f0d5ed9bd991@mail.gmail.com>

Looking for an experienced Django/Python developer to help an exciting
beta stage startup. We are building SaaS based Social Media Analytics
platform.

Some of our current challenges are:
- innovative data visualization (Sample:
http://www.crunchbase.com/assets/images/original/0007/3492/73492v2.jpg)
- scaling
- security

Requirements:
- Python
- Django (1.1)
- JQuery, Raphaeljs/ProtoVis, Javascript
- Flex/Actionscript
- HTML, CSS
- Basic Knowledge of Shell Scripting
- Comfortable with *nix systems

Links to web applications you have worked on, Blog, or open-source
code contributions are all a plus.

Please reply with a resume (preferably in HTML/TXT format) to
jobs at beevolve.com with the subject 'JOB-CDJ-002'.

From mbaiju at zeomega.com  Tue Mar 23 18:44:20 2010
From: mbaiju at zeomega.com (Baiju M)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 23:14:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] March meeting
Message-ID: <c911c70d1003231044i2df20c34o8821b44c3f13301f@mail.gmail.com>

Let's meet this Saturday ?

From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 18:49:12 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 23:19:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] March meeting
In-Reply-To: <c911c70d1003231044i2df20c34o8821b44c3f13301f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c911c70d1003231044i2df20c34o8821b44c3f13301f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9963e56e1003231049u42a915d7r7bbf8c1b6f459907@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Baiju M <mbaiju at zeomega.com> wrote:
> Let's meet this Saturday ?[..]

I have some other plans or this weekend and won't be able to come but
if there are sufficient people, good idea. I am planning (like we said
in our last meeting) to have a sprint in April.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From Girish.Goudar at goodrich.com  Thu Mar 25 07:28:03 2010
From: Girish.Goudar at goodrich.com (Goudar, Girish)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:28:03 +0800
Subject: [BangPypers] Getting process handle and thread handles from DEOS
Message-ID: <DD806E02E324864EA77B3B4C8E456F952F25CBF0@nhc3ex14.goodrich.root.local>

Hi all,

 

I have developed a test frame work in which scripts are written in
Python and Target is the DEOS. I am issuing commands like "create
process", "create threads" from the Python script. I want to get the
information on "process handle" and "thread handles in that process"
from the Python script. Is there ant command from the Python script to
get these information from the DEOS? 

 

Thanks and Regards,

Girish P.G

 


From supr.e.etsethi at gmail.com  Thu Mar 25 10:26:33 2010
From: supr.e.etsethi at gmail.com (s|s)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:26:33 +0000
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] Tools for writing books and publishing as pdfs
In-Reply-To: <6e38f9f01003110140u12829372qecd517c3c28aca0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b15547391003102243j2f02d99w78e8b272835af55b@mail.gmail.com>
	<b399909d1003110038p3f2178adg599da6729a50026@mail.gmail.com>
	<6e38f9f01003110140u12829372qecd517c3c28aca0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b7f7a6961003250226q43d61aechd5e2ea6d9bcb45e9@mail.gmail.com>

I second Anand on sphinx. Although collaborative effort could be done
better with Google docs.



--
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From pradeep at btbytes.com  Thu Mar 25 14:18:41 2010
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 09:18:41 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] Getting process handle and thread handles from DEOS
In-Reply-To: <DD806E02E324864EA77B3B4C8E456F952F25CBF0@nhc3ex14.goodrich.root.local>
References: <DD806E02E324864EA77B3B4C8E456F952F25CBF0@nhc3ex14.goodrich.root.local>
Message-ID: <CEABE027-B5D6-4F14-85D2-7F60581A0126@btbytes.com>



On Mar 25, 2010, at 2:28, "Goudar, Girish"  
<Girish.Goudar at goodrich.com> wrote:

> Is there ant command from the Python script to
> get these information from the DEOS?
>
>
What is DEOS?

From ankur at thinklabs.in  Thu Mar 25 14:23:48 2010
From: ankur at thinklabs.in (Ankur Gupta)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:53:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Getting process handle and thread handles from DEOS
In-Reply-To: <DD806E02E324864EA77B3B4C8E456F952F25CBF0@nhc3ex14.goodrich.root.local>
References: <DD806E02E324864EA77B3B4C8E456F952F25CBF0@nhc3ex14.goodrich.root.local>
Message-ID: <fb5641801003250623qa64674dl632796ef0a1a2a92@mail.gmail.com>

DEOS ?

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Goudar, Girish <Girish.Goudar at goodrich.com
> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I have developed a test frame work in which scripts are written in
> Python and Target is the DEOS. I am issuing commands like "create
> process", "create threads" from the Python script. I want to get the
> information on "process handle" and "thread handles in that process"
> from the Python script. Is there ant command from the Python script to
> get these information from the DEOS?
>
>
>
> Thanks and Regards,
>
> Girish P.G
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From nagappan at gmail.com  Fri Mar 26 07:41:00 2010
From: nagappan at gmail.com (Nagappan Alagappan)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 23:41:00 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] Announce: Linux Desktop Testing Project (LDTP) 2.0.4
	released
Message-ID: <9d0602eb1003252341w2c485bf4sd1fe447aaa459e46@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

About LDTP:

Linux Desktop Testing Project is aimed at producing high quality test
automation framework (using GNOME / Python) and cutting-edge tools that can
be used to test Linux Desktop and improve it. It uses the Accessibility
libraries to poke through the application's user interface. We strive to
help in building a quality desktop.

Changes in this release:

 LDTPv2 hang in Ubuntu 10.04 is fixed
 Don't navigate table cell, as it causes more resource and time in
OpenOffice calc
 Added new API simulatemousemove for DnD test (VMware Workstation / Player
Unity-GHI feature)
 Patch by Ara Pulido for b.g.o bug # 612311
 Listen all Window events, else new application like Firefox is not listed
 waittillguiexist now can wait for state as well
 hasstate can wait for given time till the state is True

Special thanks to Eitan Isaacson [1], Ara Pulido [2], James Tatum [3], Anupa
Kamath [VMware, India], Slava Podokshik [VMware, USA]

Download source:
http://download.freedesktop.org/ldtp/2.x/2.0.x/ldtp-2.0.4.tar.gz

Download RPM from
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/anagappan:/ldtp2:/rpm/
Will schedule deb build in openSUSE build service tomorrow

Documentation references:

For detailed information on LDTP framework and latest updates visit
http://ldtp.freedesktop.org

For information on various APIs in LDTP including those added for this
release can be got from http://ldtp.freedesktop.org/user-doc/index.html

Report bugs - http://ldtp.freedesktop.org/wiki/Bugs

To subscribe to LDTP mailing lists, visit
http://ldtp.freedesktop.org/wiki/Mailing_20list

IRC Channel - #ldtp on irc.freenode.net

Thanks
Nagappan

[1] - http://monotonous.org/
[2] - http://ubuntutesting.wordpress.com/
[3] - https://launchpad.net/~jtatum


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From admin.nitjece at gmail.com  Fri Mar 26 11:26:43 2010
From: admin.nitjece at gmail.com (Diptanu Choudhury)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:56:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Which JavaScript testing tool do you use?
Message-ID: <aedece081003260326p4188b0f9u7bb63e29ad94db76@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

We are trying to automate some javascript unit test using buildbot? Has
anyone done anything similar before?
In general i would like, if you share your experience with Java Script
testing.

-- 
Thanks,
Diptanu Choudhury
Just a Coder, ThoughtWorks India
Mobile - 09886760964
Web - www.linkedin.com/in/diptanu

From saju.pillai at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 08:33:52 2010
From: saju.pillai at gmail.com (Saju Pillai)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:03:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Which JavaScript testing tool do you use?
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Diptanu Choudhury wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> We are trying to automate some javascript unit test using buildbot? Has
> anyone done anything similar before?
> In general i would like, if you share your experience with Java Script
> testing.
> 

Try rhino.jar. We did some maven based automated REST api testing using 
rhino. Won't work for UI'sh things I think.

-srp

From kausikram at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 08:53:33 2010
From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:23:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Which JavaScript testing tool do you use?
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	<4BB19B50.1050005@gmail.com>
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>
> Try rhino.jar. We did some maven based automated REST api testing using
> rhino. Won't work for UI'sh things I think.
>
will work for UIsh  things as well. env.js   [
http://ejohn.org/blog/bringing-the-browser-to-the-server/] can simulate the
DOM environment in rhino.
you can also consider trying nose-js which is a plugin for nose which would
enable you to run rhino / spidermonkey based unit testing. without firing up
a browser.


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From lorddaemon at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 09:49:46 2010
From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Darkseid)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:19:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Which JavaScript testing tool do you use?
In-Reply-To: <aedece081003260326p4188b0f9u7bb63e29ad94db76@mail.gmail.com>
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Take a look at http://github.com/relevance/blue-ridge - it stitches 
together rhino, env.js and a bunch of other stuff for painless (and 
headless) js builds as well as a pretty nice (again headless) TDD setup.

You may have to adapt it a little though (its a Rails plugin). Also have 
a chat with Irfan about this should you need help.

That said, unless you have a rich enough view domain you're probably 
better off using Sahi.

Cheers,
Sidu.
http://blog.sidu.in
http://twitter.com/ponnappa

Diptanu Choudhury wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We are trying to automate some javascript unit test using buildbot? Has
> anyone done anything similar before?
> In general i would like, if you share your experience with Java Script
> testing.
>
>   

From anuj_abhishek at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 30 11:55:52 2010
From: anuj_abhishek at yahoo.com (anuj abhishek)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 02:55:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] running python on mac...
Message-ID: <932897.17360.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

Hi everyone...

I bought myself a new mac this weekend..and I am having some trouble resizing the default font size on idle which is very small...

I tried changing the settings through preferences but nothing happens when I click to apply the settings..

Mac users out there who could help me with this please..?

Thanx...

Anuj Abhishek


      

From srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com  Tue Mar 30 12:11:18 2010
From: srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com (Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:41:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] running python on mac...
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Message-ID: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83303@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>

Probably this link could help.
Anyway, i am not sarcastic about your question,
http://www.google.co.in/search?q=idle+font+size+mac

Thanks&Regards,
Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy, 
Mobile:9393099772, 



-----Original Message-----
From: bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy=akebonosoft.com at python.org on behalf of anuj abhishek
Sent: Tue 3/30/2010 3:25 PM
To: bangpypers at python.org
Subject: [BangPypers] running python on mac...
 
Hi everyone...

I bought myself a new mac this weekend..and I am having some trouble resizing the default font size on idle which is very small...

I tried changing the settings through preferences but nothing happens when I click to apply the settings..

Mac users out there who could help me with this please..?

Thanx...

Anuj Abhishek


      
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From anand.shashwat at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 15:04:16 2010
From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 18:34:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] running python on mac...
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83303@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
References: <932897.17360.qm@web55605.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83303@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <d4ab53de1003300604t550bed86s4da387be1fede6f1@mail.gmail.com>

Just one question ? Why "Idle" after all ?

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy <
srinivas_thatiparthy at akebonosoft.com> wrote:

> Probably this link could help.
> Anyway, i am not sarcastic about your question,
> http://www.google.co.in/search?q=idle+font+size+mac
>
> Thanks&Regards,
> Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy,
> Mobile:9393099772,
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bangpypers-bounces+srinivas_thatiparthy=akebonosoft.com at python.orgon behalf of anuj abhishek
> Sent: Tue 3/30/2010 3:25 PM
> To: bangpypers at python.org
> Subject: [BangPypers] running python on mac...
>
> Hi everyone...
>
> I bought myself a new mac this weekend..and I am having some trouble
> resizing the default font size on idle which is very small...
>
> I tried changing the settings through preferences but nothing happens when
> I click to apply the settings..
>
> Mac users out there who could help me with this please..?
>
> Thanx...
>
> Anuj Abhishek
>
>
>
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From orsenthil at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 17:26:56 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 20:56:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] running python on mac...
In-Reply-To: <4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83303@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
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	<4EF2BF691B890546B2694C99A2852F0C01D83303@astserver3.akebonosoft.com>
Message-ID: <20100330152656.GA2540@remy>


anuj abhishek wrote:

> I bought myself a new mac this weekend..and I am having some trouble resizing the default font size on idle which is very small...
> 
> I tried changing the settings through preferences but nothing happens when I click to apply the settings..
> 
> Mac users out there who could help me with this please..?

Anuj, do check this out too:
http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEditors#Macintosh-OnlyEditors

IDLE is just a toy editor to get started with, once you become serious
you will move on to more feature-rich ones.

-- 
Senthil

Living your life is a task so difficult, it has never been attempted before.

From anand.shashwat at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 22:57:38 2010
From: anand.shashwat at gmail.com (Shashwat Anand)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 02:27:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore
Message-ID: <d4ab53de1003301357v68af1d5cn4bfe055872e2605d@mail.gmail.com>

A good news for fellow bangPypers, David Beazley is visiting bangalore.

PS> Residing in Allahabad sucks big time :(

~l0nwlf

From madhubalav at infotechsw.com  Wed Mar 31 08:25:47 2010
From: madhubalav at infotechsw.com (MADHUBALA VASIREDDY)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:55:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [job]opportunity in web development
Message-ID: <002e01cad09b$00437690$00ca63b0$@com>

Hi ,

 

We are  four member group  working  in python  since 2004 for a
customer(power plant) who is a senior programmer with around 20 years of
experience . We develop various desktop tools and simulation tools for our
customer. Now there is a requirement for web developer in the team.
Following are the details of required skills . 

 

               

1.      3 to 4 years  of Python programming experience preferably in web
development 

2.      Must be expert in web technologies , web frameworks  (preferable
Turbogears)

3.      Expert in Ajax, css  ,extJS and javascript

4.      Should have  expert knowledge in Databases

5.      Knowledge  in  SVN and TRAC are  preferable

6.      An engineering/computer science graduate

7.      Experience in Linux is required.

 

Compensation will be  based on the experience and according to the company
norms.

Position is at Hyderabad . 

 

 

If anyone is  interested  and having relevant experience can send  the
resume to the following mail id.

mohans at infotechsw.com <mailto:madhubalav at infotechsw.com> 

 

resumes can be accepted till 15th April 2010.

 

-Madhubala


From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 12:07:48 2010
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:37:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore
In-Reply-To: <y2ha13a3b481003310305ld8769851z85a9359ad5bdaa8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d4ab53de1003301357v68af1d5cn4bfe055872e2605d@mail.gmail.com> 
	<y2ha13a3b481003310305ld8769851z85a9359ad5bdaa8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <i2xa13a3b481003310307i58b25c75rf0cb5a037bef18be@mail.gmail.com>

OK, saw your twitter posting and question to his twitter account. Some more
info would be great though.

This is the guy who explained the GIL to the majority of the python speaking
world.

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Any more details about this?
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:27 AM, Shashwat Anand <anand.shashwat at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> A good news for fellow bangPypers, David Beazley is visiting bangalore.
>>
>> PS> Residing in Allahabad sucks big time :(
>>
>> ~l0nwlf
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks and best regards,
> Vishal Sapre
>
> ---
>
> "So say...Day by day, in every way, I am getting better, better and better
> !!!"
> "A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else.
> Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
> "Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?
> "May we do good and not evil. May we find forgiveness for ourself and
> forgive others. May we share freely, never taking more than we give."
>



-- 
Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre

---

"So say...Day by day, in every way, I am getting better, better and better
!!!"
"A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else.
Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
"Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?
"May we do good and not evil. May we find forgiveness for ourself and
forgive others. May we share freely, never taking more than we give."

From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 12:05:21 2010
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:35:21 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore
In-Reply-To: <d4ab53de1003301357v68af1d5cn4bfe055872e2605d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d4ab53de1003301357v68af1d5cn4bfe055872e2605d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <y2ha13a3b481003310305ld8769851z85a9359ad5bdaa8@mail.gmail.com>

Any more details about this?

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:27 AM, Shashwat Anand <anand.shashwat at gmail.com>wrote:

> A good news for fellow bangPypers, David Beazley is visiting bangalore.
>
> PS> Residing in Allahabad sucks big time :(
>
> ~l0nwlf
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre

---

"So say...Day by day, in every way, I am getting better, better and better
!!!"
"A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else.
Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
"Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?
"May we do good and not evil. May we find forgiveness for ourself and
forgive others. May we share freely, never taking more than we give."

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 12:12:42 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:42:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] @dabeaz visiting b'lore
In-Reply-To: <i2xa13a3b481003310307i58b25c75rf0cb5a037bef18be@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d4ab53de1003301357v68af1d5cn4bfe055872e2605d@mail.gmail.com>
	<y2ha13a3b481003310305ld8769851z85a9359ad5bdaa8@mail.gmail.com>
	<i2xa13a3b481003310307i58b25c75rf0cb5a037bef18be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <l2w9963e56e1003310312sc0242077na80fa3b1e75e3c3a@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:
> OK, saw your twitter posting and question to his twitter account. Some more
> info would be great though.
>
> This is the guy who explained the GIL to the majority of the python speaking
> world.[..]

I was aware of his trip when I met him at PyCon in Feb. I believe
he'll be here for around a week. I've asked him if it would be
possible to join us for a user group meeting when he has some free
time. I'll keep the list posted.

I personally feel that the GIL presentation was the most well prepared
talk of all the ones I attended.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in