From dennis at computer.org  Sat Oct  2 11:27:54 2010
From: dennis at computer.org (Dennis Varkey)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 14:57:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Beginner help
Message-ID: <AANLkTinJfCamEDbpW3aWBEMKb6K5PRPJA2nRb598Ud+7@mail.gmail.com>

I heard about python and found that it was very simple to code.
I would like to know any IDE's in which i can code python in windows

From delegbede at dudupay.com  Sat Oct  2 11:30:29 2010
From: delegbede at dudupay.com (delegbede at dudupay.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 09:30:29 +0000
Subject: [BangPypers] Beginner help
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Textpad or notepad++ should do. One comes with python itself.
Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device from MTN

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Subject: [BangPypers] Beginner help

I heard about python and found that it was very simple to code.
I would like to know any IDE's in which i can code python in windows
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From orsenthil at gmail.com  Sat Oct  2 11:31:00 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 15:01:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Beginner help
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On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Dennis Varkey <dennis at computer.org> wrote:
> I heard about python and found that it was very simple to code.
> I would like to know any IDE's in which i can code python in windows

Download ActiveState Python and use the IDE which comes along with it.
It is called PythonWin IDE.

Also, have a look at article:
http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments

-- 
Senthil

From zubin.mithra at gmail.com  Sat Oct  2 13:13:26 2010
From: zubin.mithra at gmail.com (Zubin Mithra)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 16:43:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Beginner help
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>
> I heard about python and found that it was very simple to code.
> I would like to know any IDE's in which i can code python in windows


There are loads of options available. I'd recommend notepad++(great text
editor with lots of plugins) and Eclipse(IDE).


zm

From noufal at gmail.com  Sat Oct  2 13:21:56 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 16:51:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Beginner help
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinJfCamEDbpW3aWBEMKb6K5PRPJA2nRb598Ud+7@mail.gmail.com>
	(Dennis Varkey's message of "Sat, 2 Oct 2010 14:57:54 +0530")
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On Sat, Oct 02 2010, Dennis Varkey wrote:

> I heard about python and found that it was very simple to code.
> I would like to know any IDE's in which i can code python in windows

[...]

There should be something you're already comfortable with that has a
plugin for Python. You should use that. Switching development
environments completely for different languages doesn't seem very
productive to me. 

-- 

From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  2 17:34:03 2010
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 21:04:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Beginner help
In-Reply-To: <87tyl4vnzf.fsf@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <AANLkTikvS_d3jsu0bZmNrZJkvFm0=6a--ORya9zLbaXi@mail.gmail.com>

if you are on Windows, try out PyScripter. I am sure you'll like it.

Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 02 2010, Dennis Varkey wrote:
>
> > I heard about python and found that it was very simple to code.
> > I would like to know any IDE's in which i can code python in windows
>
> [...]
>
> There should be something you're already comfortable with that has a
> plugin for Python. You should use that. Switching development
> environments completely for different languages doesn't seem very
> productive to me.
>
> --
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre

---
"So say...Day by day, in every way, I am getting better, better and better
!!!"
"A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else.
Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
"Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?
"May we do good and not evil. May we find forgiveness for ourself and
forgive others. May we share freely, never taking more than we give."

From vid at svaksha.com  Sun Oct  3 04:46:58 2010
From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?4KWlIOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyDgpaUg?=)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 08:16:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: [x-post] weekly python dojo meetups @bangalore.
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimY6KeWHcQ6FN8v9_aCB5c3fm7dJuGzKT4oFNEh@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimY6KeWHcQ6FN8v9_aCB5c3fm7dJuGzKT4oFNEh@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimH6ErVJj7HzqVCAimyn2dT9=fmiCg-1CArMiH=@mail.gmail.com>

Hmmm..I forgot to post this here.


---------- Forwarded message ----------


Hello Folks,

The other day, Nigel and me were having an irc discussion and I
suggested we kick-start a weekly python-dojo[0] meet-up in Bangalore.
Sunil Abraham (Exec.Dir) of CIS was kind enough to donate their office
space and even offered to sponsor the java (pun unintended). Thanks
Sunil/CIS.

So here's the plan for weekly python-dojo sessions in Bangalore,

WHAT: Weekly python-dojo sessions in Bangalore which is inspired by
dojorio[0][1] meetups in Brazil where they apply the "small acts
manifesto"[2]. The idea is to create a friendly atmosphere which
encourages "beginners" (...and experts and everyone in between) to
share and learn with the community. Please bring your laptops/netbooks
etc.. as the dojo will be hands-on where we will work on small
problems that exist in FLOSS software which automatically helps us
learn a lot more about our system. Folks that dont have laptops are
also welcome -- atm, we cant provide machines to work on but you can
watch others, ask questions, learn, and later try it out at home.

WHO can participation: ANYONE. Absolutely anyone can walk in and
participate at the venue. There is no registration fee or cost (except
your time and travel costs perhaps?). There is no agenda either --
please note that the environment would be similar to that of an
unconference. There is no formal teaching involved. We are all
learners here and you are free to ask any python-related question.

WHERE: The Centre for Internet and Society[3][4] (<--google map link)
No. 194, 2nd 'C' Cross, Domlur 2nd Stage, Bangalore 560 071

WHEN: 7pm-8pm every Friday. We start from next week, 08Oct2010.

So if you are interested in python, dont hesitate to join us for the
weekly dojo sessions and do spread the word -- dent/tweet, blog and
mail your friends about the weekly dojo meetups.

PS: If anyone (women in particular) feels the evening timings are
rather late for travelling please feel free to suggest a more
convenient day (sat/sun?) and time <-- its not set in stone and
suggestions are welcome.

[0] http://dojorio.wordpress.com/about/
[1] http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://dojorio.wordpress.com/&ei=z7GyS7OtCIvYsgOAvqTMBA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBQQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddojorio%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Dv
[2] http://smallactsmanifesto.org/
[3] http://cis-india.org/about
[4] http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=CIS-INDIA+Bangalore+560+071&sll=12.965029,77.637269&sspn=0.005792,0.011362&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Centre+for+Internet+and+Society+(CIS),+2nd+Cross,+Bengaluru,+Karnataka+560071,+India&ll=12.964977,77.638772&spn=0.005792,0.011362&z=17

Thanks,

Regards,
vid ? http://svaksha.com



-- 
Regards,
vid ? http://svaksha.com

From gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com  Sun Oct  3 05:58:17 2010
From: gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com (Gopalakrishnan Subramani)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 21:58:17 -0600
Subject: [BangPypers] Beginner help
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikvS_d3jsu0bZmNrZJkvFm0=6a--ORya9zLbaXi@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinJfCamEDbpW3aWBEMKb6K5PRPJA2nRb598Ud+7@mail.gmail.com>
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If you want to be too smart, Emacs is the best one for all your typing need.
It works well on Windows/Macs/Linux/Unix operating system.
pymacs enable you to detect the basic python related error in emacs.



On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:

> if you are on Windows, try out PyScripter. I am sure you'll like it.
>
> Thanks and best regards,
> Vishal Sapre
>
> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Oct 02 2010, Dennis Varkey wrote:
> >
> > > I heard about python and found that it was very simple to code.
> > > I would like to know any IDE's in which i can code python in windows
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > There should be something you're already comfortable with that has a
> > plugin for Python. You should use that. Switching development
> > environments completely for different languages doesn't seem very
> > productive to me.
> >
> > --
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks and best regards,
> Vishal Sapre
>
> ---
> "So say...Day by day, in every way, I am getting better, better and better
> !!!"
> "A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else.
> Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
> "Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?
> "May we do good and not evil. May we find forgiveness for ourself and
> forgive others. May we share freely, never taking more than we give."
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From kgthegreat at gmail.com  Sun Oct  3 05:59:58 2010
From: kgthegreat at gmail.com (Kumar Gaurav)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 09:29:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Beginner help
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=2cdLE--gjiWz5NvUPnLTWERrTwG3bHP+G2pj4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinJfCamEDbpW3aWBEMKb6K5PRPJA2nRb598Ud+7@mail.gmail.com>
	<87tyl4vnzf.fsf@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikvS_d3jsu0bZmNrZJkvFm0=6a--ORya9zLbaXi@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=2cdLE--gjiWz5NvUPnLTWERrTwG3bHP+G2pj4@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Gopalakrishnan Subramani
<gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com> wrote:
> If you want to be too smart, Emacs is the best one for all your typing need.
> It works well on Windows/Macs/Linux/Unix operating system.
> pymacs enable you to detect the basic python related error in emacs.
>

+1

-- 
Kumar Gaurav
Latest Post -- Install mongo-db on Ubuntu
http://wp.me/pbU2Q-37

From jeffjosejeff at gmail.com  Sun Oct  3 09:36:23 2010
From: jeffjosejeff at gmail.com (Jeffrey Jose)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 13:06:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Beginner help
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=2cdLE--gjiWz5NvUPnLTWERrTwG3bHP+G2pj4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinJfCamEDbpW3aWBEMKb6K5PRPJA2nRb598Ud+7@mail.gmail.com>
	<87tyl4vnzf.fsf@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikvS_d3jsu0bZmNrZJkvFm0=6a--ORya9zLbaXi@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=2cdLE--gjiWz5NvUPnLTWERrTwG3bHP+G2pj4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikg=4KeRBz5uWN0ARq2K7R1qBV3NVLnakvFBZtd@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Gopalakrishnan Subramani <
gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you want to be too smart, Emacs is the best one for all your typing
> need.
> It works well on Windows/Macs/Linux/Unix operating system.
> pymacs enable you to detect the basic python related error in emacs.


%s/Emacs/Vim/g


/jeff




>
> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > if you are on Windows, try out PyScripter. I am sure you'll like it.
> >
> > Thanks and best regards,
> > Vishal Sapre
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, Oct 02 2010, Dennis Varkey wrote:
> > >
> > > > I heard about python and found that it was very simple to code.
> > > > I would like to know any IDE's in which i can code python in windows
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > There should be something you're already comfortable with that has a
> > > plugin for Python. You should use that. Switching development
> > > environments completely for different languages doesn't seem very
> > > productive to me.
> > >
> > > --
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Thanks and best regards,
> > Vishal Sapre
> >
> > ---
> > "So say...Day by day, in every way, I am getting better, better and
> better
> > !!!"
> > "A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else.
> > Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
> > "Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?
> > "May we do good and not evil. May we find forgiveness for ourself and
> > forgive others. May we share freely, never taking more than we give."
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From noufal at gmail.com  Sun Oct  3 09:44:36 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 13:14:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Beginner help
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikg=4KeRBz5uWN0ARq2K7R1qBV3NVLnakvFBZtd@mail.gmail.com>
	(Jeffrey Jose's message of "Sun, 3 Oct 2010 13:06:23 +0530")
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On Sun, Oct 03 2010, Jeffrey Jose wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Gopalakrishnan Subramani <
> gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If you want to be too smart, Emacs is the best one for all your typing
>> need.
>> It works well on Windows/Macs/Linux/Unix operating system.
>> pymacs enable you to detect the basic python related error in emacs.
>
>
> %s/Emacs/Vim/g

[...]

>From the "Pragmatic Programmer" (http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2004/10/a-pragmatic-quick-reference.html)

> Use a Single Editor Well
>
> The editor should be an extension of your hand; make sure your editor is
> configurable, extensible, and programmable.

Specifics of whether it's Emacs, vim or something else are minutiae and
best left to people with more time on their hands.



-- 

From umar43 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  3 09:53:31 2010
From: umar43 at gmail.com (Umar Shah)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 13:23:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Beginner help
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikg=4KeRBz5uWN0ARq2K7R1qBV3NVLnakvFBZtd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinJfCamEDbpW3aWBEMKb6K5PRPJA2nRb598Ud+7@mail.gmail.com>
	<87tyl4vnzf.fsf@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikvS_d3jsu0bZmNrZJkvFm0=6a--ORya9zLbaXi@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=2cdLE--gjiWz5NvUPnLTWERrTwG3bHP+G2pj4@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikg=4KeRBz5uWN0ARq2K7R1qBV3NVLnakvFBZtd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=+pzrvAYPm8UpMs2umWHmpPrAA-xy8Ua+OmD8z@mail.gmail.com>

vim with omnicomplete and taglist plugins,
It will provide with code browsing as well as autocomplete features.


On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Jeffrey Jose <jeffjosejeff at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Gopalakrishnan Subramani <
> gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If you want to be too smart, Emacs is the best one for all your typing
> > need.
> > It works well on Windows/Macs/Linux/Unix operating system.
> > pymacs enable you to detect the basic python related error in emacs.
>
>
> %s/Emacs/Vim/g
>
>
> /jeff
>
>
>
>
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > if you are on Windows, try out PyScripter. I am sure you'll like it.
> > >
> > > Thanks and best regards,
> > > Vishal Sapre
> > >
> > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sat, Oct 02 2010, Dennis Varkey wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I heard about python and found that it was very simple to code.
> > > > > I would like to know any IDE's in which i can code python in
> windows
> > > >
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > There should be something you're already comfortable with that has a
> > > > plugin for Python. You should use that. Switching development
> > > > environments completely for different languages doesn't seem very
> > > > productive to me.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Thanks and best regards,
> > > Vishal Sapre
> > >
> > > ---
> > > "So say...Day by day, in every way, I am getting better, better and
> > better
> > > !!!"
> > > "A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything
> else.
> > > Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
> > > "Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?
> > > "May we do good and not evil. May we find forgiveness for ourself and
> > > forgive others. May we share freely, never taking more than we give."
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From flowerslab at gmail.com  Sun Oct  3 11:43:22 2010
From: flowerslab at gmail.com (Sathishkumar Duraisamy)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 15:13:22 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Beginner help
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Hi,
for pyqt, eric is good.

On 10/3/10, Umar Shah <umar43 at gmail.com> wrote:
> vim with omnicomplete and taglist plugins,
> It will provide with code browsing as well as autocomplete features.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Jeffrey Jose <jeffjosejeff at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Gopalakrishnan Subramani <
>> gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > If you want to be too smart, Emacs is the best one for all your typing
>> > need.
>> > It works well on Windows/Macs/Linux/Unix operating system.
>> > pymacs enable you to detect the basic python related error in emacs.
>>
>>
>> %s/Emacs/Vim/g
>>
>>
>> /jeff
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > if you are on Windows, try out PyScripter. I am sure you'll like it.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks and best regards,
>> > > Vishal Sapre
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On Sat, Oct 02 2010, Dennis Varkey wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > I heard about python and found that it was very simple to code.
>> > > > > I would like to know any IDE's in which i can code python in
>> windows
>> > > >
>> > > > [...]
>> > > >
>> > > > There should be something you're already comfortable with that has
>> > > > a
>> > > > plugin for Python. You should use that. Switching development
>> > > > environments completely for different languages doesn't seem very
>> > > > productive to me.
>> > > >
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From avinashtm at gmail.com  Sun Oct  3 14:28:29 2010
From: avinashtm at gmail.com (Avinash TM)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 17:58:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] install feedparser
Message-ID: <AANLkTikyHC3y7_T2UON+rVxnsvKEt924VDvZVY9yj=pD@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I am newbie to Python.
I wish to install feedparser in Eclipse environment,
when i include line 'import feedparser' in eclipse , it is showing the error
as 'Unresolved import:feedparser'
but i had installed in terminal , and i can write simple small programs in
terminal.
I am using opensuse OS.
can anyone help me.

-Avinash

From vnbang2003 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  3 14:52:44 2010
From: vnbang2003 at yahoo.com (vijay)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 18:22:44 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [BangPypers] install feedparser
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikyHC3y7_T2UON+rVxnsvKEt924VDvZVY9yj=pD@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <199313.88905.qm@web95311.mail.in2.yahoo.com>

Basically if you code inside src folder of eclipse project it will show below error.
Just create folder at same level to src then you should be able to access it.
?Structure should be like this
?Project 
????? - src
????? - new folder
???? - python? (pointing to you python path)

Hope this help you.

With Regards
Vijay


--- On Sun, 3/10/10, Avinash TM <avinashtm at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Avinash TM <avinashtm at gmail.com>
Subject: [BangPypers] install feedparser
To: bangpypers at python.org
Date: Sunday, 3 October, 2010, 5:58 PM

Hi all,
I am newbie to Python.
I wish to install feedparser in Eclipse environment,
when i include line 'import feedparser' in eclipse , it is showing the error
as 'Unresolved import:feedparser'
but i had installed in terminal , and i can write simple small programs in
terminal.
I am using opensuse OS.
can anyone help me.

-Avinash
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From avinashtm at gmail.com  Sun Oct  3 15:13:52 2010
From: avinashtm at gmail.com (Avinash TM)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 18:43:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] feedparser
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=uwrO0YD+EWydo5iNe7-92PCp=XvdLd7QWxu+2@mail.gmail.com>

How to install feedparser in 'eclipse environment' of python?


-Avinash

From noufal at gmail.com  Sun Oct  3 15:22:17 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 18:52:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] feedparser
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=uwrO0YD+EWydo5iNe7-92PCp=XvdLd7QWxu+2@mail.gmail.com>
	(Avinash TM's message of "Sun, 3 Oct 2010 18:43:52 +0530")
References: <AANLkTi=uwrO0YD+EWydo5iNe7-92PCp=XvdLd7QWxu+2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87y6afl8c6.fsf@gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 03 2010, Avinash TM wrote:

> How to install feedparser in 'eclipse environment' of python?

[...]

First thing (after you do an installation) is to make sure that it works
properly in with the regular interpreter (honouring any virtualenv or
other such settings you have). Once that's done, you can worry about
configuring eclipse. 

Is it working in the interpreter?
-- 

From avinashtm at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 05:46:40 2010
From: avinashtm at gmail.com (Avinash TM)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 09:16:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Latest Cricket News in Command Line
Message-ID: <AANLkTinzmnufuquObpT4O7iGqM78LkipXPuzhTKnB2Yd@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All ,
I tried this simple code using 'feed parser'. May be you will find it
useful.
Am new to Python,any suggestions or new ideas on how we can improve this
code.

-Avinash



_______________________________________________________________________________________
*
*
*Program : *

#! /usr/bin/python
import feedparser

BBCCricketNews = feedparser.parse('
http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/sportplayer_uk_edition/cricket/rss.xml')
CricinfoCricketNews = feedparser.parse('
http://www.cricinfo.com/rss/content/story/feeds/0.rss')

X= input('BBC Cricket News:1 , Cricinfo Cricket News:2 \n enter your choice:
')
i=1

if X==1:
  print "BBC Cricket news"
  while i <= 5:
        ptitle =  BBCCricketNews.entries[i].title
        pdes=BBCCricketNews.entries[i].description
        purl=BBCCricketNews.entries[i].link
        print '%s.%s' %(i,a)
        print '%s' %(purl)
        print '%s' %(pdes)
        print '\n'
        i +=1

elif X==2:
  print "Cricinfo Cricket news"
  while i <= 5:
        ptitle=CricinfoCricketNews.entries[i].title
        pdes=CricinfoCricketNews.entries[i].description
        purl=CricinfoCricketNews.entries[i].link
        print '%s.%s' %(i,a)
        print '%s' %(purl)
        print '%s' %(pdes)
        print '\n'
        i +=1
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*Sample output 1:*
avinash at linux-qqbq:~/pyPrograms> ./LatestCricketNews.py
BBC Cricket News:1 , Cricinfo Cricket News:2
 enter your choice: 1
BBC Cricket news
1.Swann thrilled by 'dream' Ashes tour
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/sport1/hi/cricket/9028868.stm
Graeme Swann tells BBC Sport that a childhood dream has been realised after
being named as part of England's squad for this winter's Ashes series in
Australia.


2.Miller explains Ashes squad choices
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/sport1/hi/cricket/9028456.stm
England Chairman of selectors Geoff Miller says Ashes squad members Monty
Panesar and Chris Tremlett derverve their place after improving their form
in county cricket.


3.Broad confident of England victory
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/sport1/hi/cricket/9027720.stm
England bowler Stuart Broad is confident England have all the "attributes"
to beat Australia in the upcoming Ashes Test series.

From arulalant at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 09:19:26 2010
From: arulalant at gmail.com (Arulalan T)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:49:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] feedparser
In-Reply-To: <87y6afl8c6.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=uwrO0YD+EWydo5iNe7-92PCp=XvdLd7QWxu+2@mail.gmail.com>
	<87y6afl8c6.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=D=dU-DTvWHBk17xXVyO5pyfZGAE_D80G7tcc2@mail.gmail.com>

2010/10/3 Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>

> On Sun, Oct 03 2010, Avinash TM wrote:
>
> > How to install feedparser in 'eclipse environment' of python?
>
> [...]
>
> First thing (after you do an installation) is to make sure that it works
> properly in with the regular interpreter (honouring any virtualenv or
> other such settings you have). Once that's done, you can worry about
> configuring eclipse.
>
> Is it working in the interpreter?
>

If it is not working in regular interpreter, please do the following ( If
you are using ubuntu/debian flavor )

sudo apt-get install python-setuptools

sudo easy_install feedparser

Now it should works fine. :-)


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From gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 15:13:23 2010
From: gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com (Gopalakrishnan Subramani)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 07:13:23 -0600
Subject: [BangPypers] Latest Cricket News in Command Line
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinzmnufuquObpT4O7iGqM78LkipXPuzhTKnB2Yd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinzmnufuquObpT4O7iGqM78LkipXPuzhTKnB2Yd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimF2AiO9gUMxxF8X9AHDUtZyhvyvbU+_Xy3pr98@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think, I will be giving you the complete working code, here is
sample one.

sites = {
0: "<<BBCLink>>",
1: "<<CricInfoLink>>"
}

X= input('BBC Cricket News:1 , Cricinfo Cricket News:2 \n enter your choice:
')

if sites.has_key((int(X)):
    news_feed = feedparser.parse(sites[int(X)])
    for entry in news_feed.entries:
          print "<<your format>>, entry.title, entry.description
           <<file the rest here>>

The above code may not work syntactically. Hope this helps.

If you are ever interested knowing the latest cricket news, here is the link
from my own site, http://stacked.in/cricket?section=sports
Certainly writing your own parser would help you to build your
knowledge..Have fun..

Regards,

Krish
http://stacked.in

On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Avinash TM <avinashtm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All ,
> I tried this simple code using 'feed parser'. May be you will find it
> useful.
> Am new to Python,any suggestions or new ideas on how we can improve this
> code.
>
> -Avinash
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________________________________________________
> *
> *
> *Program : *
>
> #! /usr/bin/python
> import feedparser
>
> BBCCricketNews = feedparser.parse('
> http://newsrss.bbc.co.uk/rss/sportplayer_uk_edition/cricket/rss.xml')
> CricinfoCricketNews = feedparser.parse('
> http://www.cricinfo.com/rss/content/story/feeds/0.rss')
>
> X= input('BBC Cricket News:1 , Cricinfo Cricket News:2 \n enter your
> choice:
> ')
> i=1
>
> if X==1:
>  print "BBC Cricket news"
>  while i <= 5:
>        ptitle =  BBCCricketNews.entries[i].title
>        pdes=BBCCricketNews.entries[i].description
>        purl=BBCCricketNews.entries[i].link
>        print '%s.%s' %(i,a)
>        print '%s' %(purl)
>        print '%s' %(pdes)
>        print '\n'
>        i +=1
>
> elif X==2:
>  print "Cricinfo Cricket news"
>  while i <= 5:
>        ptitle=CricinfoCricketNews.entries[i].title
>        pdes=CricinfoCricketNews.entries[i].description
>        purl=CricinfoCricketNews.entries[i].link
>        print '%s.%s' %(i,a)
>        print '%s' %(purl)
>        print '%s' %(pdes)
>        print '\n'
>        i +=1
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *Sample output 1:*
> avinash at linux-qqbq:~/pyPrograms> ./LatestCricketNews.py
> BBC Cricket News:1 , Cricinfo Cricket News:2
>  enter your choice: 1
> BBC Cricket news
> 1.Swann thrilled by 'dream' Ashes tour
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/sport1/hi/cricket/9028868.stm
> Graeme Swann tells BBC Sport that a childhood dream has been realised after
> being named as part of England's squad for this winter's Ashes series in
> Australia.
>
>
> 2.Miller explains Ashes squad choices
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/sport1/hi/cricket/9028456.stm
> England Chairman of selectors Geoff Miller says Ashes squad members Monty
> Panesar and Chris Tremlett derverve their place after improving their form
> in county cricket.
>
>
> 3.Broad confident of England victory
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/sport1/hi/cricket/9027720.stm
> England bowler Stuart Broad is confident England have all the "attributes"
> to beat Australia in the upcoming Ashes Test series.
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From nitinkd at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 20:05:52 2010
From: nitinkd at gmail.com (Nitin Dahra)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 23:35:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Latest Cricket News in Command Line
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimF2AiO9gUMxxF8X9AHDUtZyhvyvbU+_Xy3pr98@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinzmnufuquObpT4O7iGqM78LkipXPuzhTKnB2Yd@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimF2AiO9gUMxxF8X9AHDUtZyhvyvbU+_Xy3pr98@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimVHLYaz6-o-zfCK4adi9HcLRb-FHkuwnS+bDGz@mail.gmail.com>

On 4 October 2010 18:43, Gopalakrishnan Subramani
<gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't think, I will be giving you the complete working code, here is
> sample one.
>
> sites = {
> 0: "<<BBCLink>>",
> 1: "<<CricInfoLink>>"
> }
>
> X= input('BBC Cricket News:1 , Cricinfo Cricket News:2 \n enter your choice:
> ')
>
> if sites.has_key((int(X)):

has_key function for dicts is deprecated and not present in 3.x at
all. Just use -
int(X) in sites

Apparently, 'in' is also faster than 'has_key'

Regards,
Nitin

From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 20:34:14 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 00:04:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Latest Cricket News in Command Line
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimVHLYaz6-o-zfCK4adi9HcLRb-FHkuwnS+bDGz@mail.gmail.com>
	(Nitin Dahra's message of "Mon, 4 Oct 2010 23:35:52 +0530")
References: <AANLkTinzmnufuquObpT4O7iGqM78LkipXPuzhTKnB2Yd@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimF2AiO9gUMxxF8X9AHDUtZyhvyvbU+_Xy3pr98@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimVHLYaz6-o-zfCK4adi9HcLRb-FHkuwnS+bDGz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87aamtdcyh.fsf@gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 04 2010, Nitin Dahra wrote:

[...]


> Apparently, 'in' is also faster than 'has_key'

[...]

A few quick numbers. 

In [2]: foo = {} # Without the key
In [12]: timeit.timeit(lambda: 2 in foo)
Out[12]: 0.2220299243927002

In [13]: timeit.timeit(lambda: foo.has_key(2))
Out[13]: 0.32393407821655273

In [14]: foo = {2 : "Hello"} # With the key

In [15]: timeit.timeit(lambda: 2 in foo)
Out[15]: 0.21776700019836426

In [16]: timeit.timeit(lambda: foo.has_key(2))
Out[16]: 0.3091580867767334


Also, "in" works for iterables other than dict's whereas has_key
doesn't. Better duck typing.

-- 

From umar43 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 20:43:29 2010
From: umar43 at gmail.com (Umar Shah)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 00:13:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Latest Cricket News in Command Line
In-Reply-To: <87aamtdcyh.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinzmnufuquObpT4O7iGqM78LkipXPuzhTKnB2Yd@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimF2AiO9gUMxxF8X9AHDUtZyhvyvbU+_Xy3pr98@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimVHLYaz6-o-zfCK4adi9HcLRb-FHkuwnS+bDGz@mail.gmail.com>
	<87aamtdcyh.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik3jJyRucMisWZqAxYjWdrg-xum18_RSy4gybmc@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 04 2010, Nitin Dahra wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>
> > Apparently, 'in' is also faster than 'has_key'
>
> [...]
>
> A few quick numbers.
>
> In [2]: foo = {} # Without the key
> In [12]: timeit.timeit(lambda: 2 in foo)
> Out[12]: 0.2220299243927002
>
> In [13]: timeit.timeit(lambda: foo.has_key(2))
> Out[13]: 0.32393407821655273
>
> In [14]: foo = {2 : "Hello"} # With the key
>
> In [15]: timeit.timeit(lambda: 2 in foo)
> Out[15]: 0.21776700019836426
>
> In [16]: timeit.timeit(lambda: foo.has_key(2))
> Out[16]: 0.3091580867767334
>
>
> Also, "in" works for iterables other than dict's whereas has_key
> doesn't. Better duck typing.
>
> thanks for the quick stats, although i prefer in for the type compatibility
now i have 1 more reason in favour of using in :)

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From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 20:57:42 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 00:27:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Latest Cricket News in Command Line
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik3jJyRucMisWZqAxYjWdrg-xum18_RSy4gybmc@mail.gmail.com>
	(Umar Shah's message of "Tue, 5 Oct 2010 00:13:29 +0530")
References: <AANLkTinzmnufuquObpT4O7iGqM78LkipXPuzhTKnB2Yd@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimF2AiO9gUMxxF8X9AHDUtZyhvyvbU+_Xy3pr98@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimVHLYaz6-o-zfCK4adi9HcLRb-FHkuwnS+bDGz@mail.gmail.com>
	<87aamtdcyh.fsf@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik3jJyRucMisWZqAxYjWdrg-xum18_RSy4gybmc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <871v85dbvd.fsf@gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 05 2010, Umar Shah wrote:

[...]

>> thanks for the quick stats, although i prefer in for the type
>> compatibility
> now i have 1 more reason in favour of using in :)

[...]

People talk about Pythonicity and one of the ways to quantify it is to
say that "something is Pythonic if the more experienced Pythonistas use
it". The features that are used by the old timers are likely to be
optimised more than the others. Because of this, timeit is a good rule
of thumb to figure out whether something is pythonic or not.


-- 

From vikram.kmth at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 00:23:20 2010
From: vikram.kmth at gmail.com (Vikram Kamath)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 03:53:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] BangPypers Digest, Vol 38, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7.1286013602.15201.bangpypers@python.org>
References: <mailman.7.1286013602.15201.bangpypers@python.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikTHdTwRSX-DiRkZfVmDjs_P8tyyVu=p6oAu5rd@mail.gmail.com>

Well...rather than an IDE, you should probably just use a good python editor
and then use the command line.The 2 best python editors (in my opinion are)
1.Jedit http://www.jedit.org/index.php?page=download
2.Kate http://kate-editor.org/

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> Textpad or notepad++ should do. One comes with python itself.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Varkey <dennis at computer.org>
> Sender: bangpypers-bounces+delegbede=dudupay.com at python.org
> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 14:57:54
> To: <bangpypers at python.org>
> Reply-To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
> Subject: [BangPypers] Beginner help
>
> I heard about python and found that it was very simple to code.
> I would like to know any IDE's in which i can code python in windows
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> Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 15:01:00 +0530
> From: Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com>
> To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Beginner help
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> On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Dennis Varkey <dennis at computer.org> wrote:
> > I heard about python and found that it was very simple to code.
> > I would like to know any IDE's in which i can code python in windows
>
> Download ActiveState Python and use the IDE which comes along with it.
> It is called PythonWin IDE.
>
> Also, have a look at article:
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments
>
> --
> Senthil
>
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From cranil89 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 08:54:12 2010
From: cranil89 at gmail.com (Anil C R)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 12:24:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Beginner help
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=03iJFn_dFfNeWcKVeVemdeCDQ3GQ3ozZoMKvs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinJfCamEDbpW3aWBEMKb6K5PRPJA2nRb598Ud+7@mail.gmail.com>
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	<AANLkTikvS_d3jsu0bZmNrZJkvFm0=6a--ORya9zLbaXi@mail.gmail.com>
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I would say no IDE... IMO it's not very good starting to learn a language
with an IDE. Been long since I wrote code in Windows but you should have
nice ones Notepad++ was nice.

Anil,
PS: do not send me mails if you do this: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/email

From jaganadhg at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 08:58:40 2010
From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 12:28:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Beginner help
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikuyqWPYmmxdA=E2ug1fSUCEbHoNWC6ozdcNG2J@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Anil C R <cranil89 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I would say no IDE... IMO it's not very good starting to learn a language
> with an IDE. Been long since I wrote code in Windows but you should have
> nice ones Notepad++ was nice.
>
> Which IDE is good for Python is a difficult question
I observed that there is a long discussion happening in LinkedIn Python
discussiongroup regarding the same. Runs over more than 250 threads
-- 
**********************************
JAGANADH G
http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 09:03:23 2010
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 12:33:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Beginner help
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinJwepes+5TY6JjATyYbsO6Yr96631b4oGxjDK0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinJfCamEDbpW3aWBEMKb6K5PRPJA2nRb598Ud+7@mail.gmail.com>
	<87tyl4vnzf.fsf@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikvS_d3jsu0bZmNrZJkvFm0=6a--ORya9zLbaXi@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=2cdLE--gjiWz5NvUPnLTWERrTwG3bHP+G2pj4@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:28 PM, JAGANADH G <jaganadhg at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Anil C R <cranil89 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I would say no IDE... IMO it's not very good starting to learn a language
>> with an IDE. Been long since I wrote code in Windows but you should have
>> nice ones Notepad++ was nice.
>>
>> Which IDE is good for Python is a difficult question
> I observed that there is a long discussion happening in LinkedIn Python
> discussiongroup regarding the same. Runs over more than 250 threads
> --
> **********************************
> JAGANADH G
> http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

I've recently started using Aptana community edition 3 beta with
Pydev. I used to use scite a text editor before. I cannot quite claim
any major gains, but then as an expert developer told me on IRC, an
IDE grows on you, you need to give yourself some time to master it.

I'd recommend it a try based on my experience

-- 
Ramdas S
+91 9342 583 065

From brijithp at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 09:15:04 2010
From: brijithp at gmail.com (BR!j!TH)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 12:45:04 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Beginner help
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikR7rQP-hekSOmr+xVeoomMxUvMGK76bQRsCmQX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinJfCamEDbpW3aWBEMKb6K5PRPJA2nRb598Ud+7@mail.gmail.com>
	<87tyl4vnzf.fsf@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikvS_d3jsu0bZmNrZJkvFm0=6a--ORya9zLbaXi@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=2cdLE--gjiWz5NvUPnLTWERrTwG3bHP+G2pj4@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikg=4KeRBz5uWN0ARq2K7R1qBV3NVLnakvFBZtd@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=+pzrvAYPm8UpMs2umWHmpPrAA-xy8Ua+OmD8z@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=03iJFn_dFfNeWcKVeVemdeCDQ3GQ3ozZoMKvs@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikuyqWPYmmxdA=E2ug1fSUCEbHoNWC6ozdcNG2J@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinJwepes+5TY6JjATyYbsO6Yr96631b4oGxjDK0@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikR7rQP-hekSOmr+xVeoomMxUvMGK76bQRsCmQX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=aAHZzeXG+1Tu-nf58bxWDeDeLKJGAwG5wssZn@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

is this Aptana a free software.. do we have need to purchase it for using it
?

*
Regrads,

Brijith P
**
*
On 5 October 2010 12:33, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:28 PM, JAGANADH G <jaganadhg at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Anil C R <cranil89 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I would say no IDE... IMO it's not very good starting to learn a
> language
> >> with an IDE. Been long since I wrote code in Windows but you should have
> >> nice ones Notepad++ was nice.
> >>
> >> Which IDE is good for Python is a difficult question
> > I observed that there is a long discussion happening in LinkedIn Python
> > discussiongroup regarding the same. Runs over more than 250 threads
> > --
> > **********************************
> > JAGANADH G
> > http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
> I've recently started using Aptana community edition 3 beta with
> Pydev. I used to use scite a text editor before. I cannot quite claim
> any major gains, but then as an expert developer told me on IRC, an
> IDE grows on you, you need to give yourself some time to master it.
>
> I'd recommend it a try based on my experience
>
> --
> Ramdas S
> +91 9342 583 065
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From kausikram at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 11:19:52 2010
From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 14:49:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Beginner help
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikvS_d3jsu0bZmNrZJkvFm0=6a--ORya9zLbaXi@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinJfCamEDbpW3aWBEMKb6K5PRPJA2nRb598Ud+7@mail.gmail.com>
	<87tyl4vnzf.fsf@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikvS_d3jsu0bZmNrZJkvFm0=6a--ORya9zLbaXi@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimYy1brkOKmMPAzuQG26jm-7CUVLkNE3kGGr5Z9@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com> wrote:

> if you are on Windows, try out PyScripter. I am sure you'll like it.
>
+1
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From radhakrishna12 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 06:06:56 2010
From: radhakrishna12 at gmail.com (Radhakrishna Bhat)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:36:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Beginner help
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=aAHZzeXG+1Tu-nf58bxWDeDeLKJGAwG5wssZn@mail.gmail.com>
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	<AANLkTikvS_d3jsu0bZmNrZJkvFm0=6a--ORya9zLbaXi@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=2cdLE--gjiWz5NvUPnLTWERrTwG3bHP+G2pj4@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikg=4KeRBz5uWN0ARq2K7R1qBV3NVLnakvFBZtd@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=+pzrvAYPm8UpMs2umWHmpPrAA-xy8Ua+OmD8z@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=03iJFn_dFfNeWcKVeVemdeCDQ3GQ3ozZoMKvs@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikuyqWPYmmxdA=E2ug1fSUCEbHoNWC6ozdcNG2J@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinJwepes+5TY6JjATyYbsO6Yr96631b4oGxjDK0@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikR7rQP-hekSOmr+xVeoomMxUvMGK76bQRsCmQX@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=aAHZzeXG+1Tu-nf58bxWDeDeLKJGAwG5wssZn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=APBOqXHQB_eOC8HVNCyLk3wkaJAm0Nd8nxLni@mail.gmail.com>

Aptana may not be free. But the PyDev plugin for Eclipse is free.

On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:45 PM, BR!j!TH <brijithp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> is this Aptana a free software.. do we have need to purchase it for using
> it
> ?
>
> *
> Regrads,
>
> Brijith P
> **
> *
> On 5 October 2010 12:33, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:28 PM, JAGANADH G <jaganadhg at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Anil C R <cranil89 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I would say no IDE... IMO it's not very good starting to learn a
> > language
> > >> with an IDE. Been long since I wrote code in Windows but you should
> have
> > >> nice ones Notepad++ was nice.
> > >>
> > >> Which IDE is good for Python is a difficult question
> > > I observed that there is a long discussion happening in LinkedIn Python
> > > discussiongroup regarding the same. Runs over more than 250 threads
> > > --
> > > **********************************
> > > JAGANADH G
> > > http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > >
> >
> > I've recently started using Aptana community edition 3 beta with
> > Pydev. I used to use scite a text editor before. I cannot quite claim
> > any major gains, but then as an expert developer told me on IRC, an
> > IDE grows on you, you need to give yourself some time to master it.
> >
> > I'd recommend it a try based on my experience
> >
> > --
> > Ramdas S
> > +91 9342 583 065
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 06:17:38 2010
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:47:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Beginner help
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=APBOqXHQB_eOC8HVNCyLk3wkaJAm0Nd8nxLni@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinJfCamEDbpW3aWBEMKb6K5PRPJA2nRb598Ud+7@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Radhakrishna Bhat
<radhakrishna12 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Aptana may not be free. But the PyDev plugin for Eclipse is free.
>


Aptana is released under GPL also, and under a dual licensing model. Please
check this link http://aptana.com/legal

From santrajan at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 06:40:46 2010
From: santrajan at gmail.com (Santosh Rajan)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:10:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Beginner help
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinx4fa9p=Jbvq8K_9692weU1dnGChj4pvy9+1Tk@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinJfCamEDbpW3aWBEMKb6K5PRPJA2nRb598Ud+7@mail.gmail.com>
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	<AANLkTi=APBOqXHQB_eOC8HVNCyLk3wkaJAm0Nd8nxLni@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinx4fa9p=Jbvq8K_9692weU1dnGChj4pvy9+1Tk@mail.gmail.com>
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Just my 0.02$.

I find Komodo Edit a great editor and it is free. Though the Komodo IDE is
not. I used to use Notepad++ before that.

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Radhakrishna Bhat
> <radhakrishna12 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Aptana may not be free. But the PyDev plugin for Eclipse is free.
> >
>
>
> Aptana is released under GPL also, and under a dual licensing model. Please
> check this link http://aptana.com/legal
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From delegbede at dudupay.com  Wed Oct  6 11:36:38 2010
From: delegbede at dudupay.com (Dipo Elegbede)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:36:38 +0100
Subject: [BangPypers] cgi help
Message-ID: <AANLkTikDi4mpUBeg5Og+ctaZOMKz3VkPqNRHZAcUnXen@mail.gmail.com>

here is the code as pasted on pastebin:

http://pastebin.com/K2Fxq6ac

please help.

It only returns the header and a blank page.

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From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 11:48:38 2010
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 15:18:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] cgi help
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikDi4mpUBeg5Og+ctaZOMKz3VkPqNRHZAcUnXen@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikDi4mpUBeg5Og+ctaZOMKz3VkPqNRHZAcUnXen@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=EdKD3FE=nzcJyeounVX4gqbYxBMhcmA80uRrG@mail.gmail.com>

2010/10/6 Dipo Elegbede <delegbede at dudupay.com>:
> here is the code as pasted on pastebin:
>
> http://pastebin.com/K2Fxq6ac
>
> please help.
>
> It only returns the header and a blank page.
>

There is an error in your program. Try running the program directly
with python to see the error.

Anand

From delegbede at dudupay.com  Wed Oct  6 11:51:34 2010
From: delegbede at dudupay.com (delegbede at dudupay.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:51:34 +0000
Subject: [BangPypers] cgi help
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=EdKD3FE=nzcJyeounVX4gqbYxBMhcmA80uRrG@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm on it Mate.
Thanks.
Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device from MTN

-----Original Message-----
From: Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 15:18:38 
To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India<bangpypers at python.org>
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Subject: Re: [BangPypers] cgi help

2010/10/6 Dipo Elegbede <delegbede at dudupay.com>:
> here is the code as pasted on pastebin:
>
> http://pastebin.com/K2Fxq6ac
>
> please help.
>
> It only returns the header and a blank page.
>

There is an error in your program. Try running the program directly
with python to see the error.

Anand
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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct  6 12:03:04 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:33:04 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] cgi help
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On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 10:36 +0100, Dipo Elegbede wrote:
> here is the code as pasted on pastebin:
> 
> http://pastebin.com/K2Fxq6ac
> 
> please help.
> 
> It only returns the header and a blank page. 

one error is that lines 19 and 20 should be unindented. The other error,
I cannot understand - it says:
'module does not have attribute escape', if the cgi.escape() wrapper is
removed the code runs. But cgi module *does* have an escape - so why
this error?
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct  6 12:15:35 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:45:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] cgi help
In-Reply-To: <1286359384.2077.491.camel@localhost>
References: <AANLkTikDi4mpUBeg5Og+ctaZOMKz3VkPqNRHZAcUnXen@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286359384.2077.491.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <1286360135.2077.496.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 15:33 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> > It only returns the header and a blank page. 
> 
> one error is that lines 19 and 20 should be unindented. The other
> error,
> I cannot understand - it says:
> 'module does not have attribute escape', if the cgi.escape() wrapper
> is
> removed the code runs. But cgi module *does* have an escape - so why
> this error? 

weird, this works:
>>> print cgi.escape("abc")
abc

but it does not work in this code snippet:

#!/usr/bin/env python
import cgi

print cgi.escape("abc")

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 12:17:43 2010
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 15:47:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] cgi help
In-Reply-To: <1286360135.2077.496.camel@localhost>
References: <AANLkTikDi4mpUBeg5Og+ctaZOMKz3VkPqNRHZAcUnXen@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286359384.2077.491.camel@localhost>
	<1286360135.2077.496.camel@localhost>
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2010/10/6 Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>:
> On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 15:33 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
>> > It only returns the header and a blank page.
>>
>> one error is that lines 19 and 20 should be unindented. The other
>> error,
>> I cannot understand - it says:
>> 'module does not have attribute escape', if the cgi.escape() wrapper
>> is
>> removed the code runs. But cgi module *does* have an escape - so why
>> this error?
>
> weird, this works:
>>>> print cgi.escape("abc")
> abc
>
> but it does not work in this code snippet:
>
> #!/usr/bin/env python
> import cgi
>
> print cgi.escape("abc")

What is the name of your script?

From delegbede at dudupay.com  Wed Oct  6 12:22:32 2010
From: delegbede at dudupay.com (delegbede at dudupay.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:22:32 +0000
Subject: [BangPypers] cgi help
In-Reply-To: <1286360135.2077.496.camel@localhost>
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Got it fixed.
Thanks y'all.

I defined a variable out of scope.
I ran it on my IDE to discover it.
rowNumber was out of scope.
Regards.
Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device from MTN

-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>
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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 15:45:35 
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Subject: Re: [BangPypers] cgi help

On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 15:33 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> > It only returns the header and a blank page. 
> 
> one error is that lines 19 and 20 should be unindented. The other
> error,
> I cannot understand - it says:
> 'module does not have attribute escape', if the cgi.escape() wrapper
> is
> removed the code runs. But cgi module *does* have an escape - so why
> this error? 

weird, this works:
>>> print cgi.escape("abc")
abc

but it does not work in this code snippet:

#!/usr/bin/env python
import cgi

print cgi.escape("abc")

-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves

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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct  6 12:38:42 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 16:08:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] cgi help
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References: <AANLkTikDi4mpUBeg5Og+ctaZOMKz3VkPqNRHZAcUnXen@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286359384.2077.491.camel@localhost>
	<1286360135.2077.496.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTin5G9yU1RAAqQpKZrKZcNtMuVo8A3pgJB19D8Zk@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 15:47 +0530, Anand Chitipothu wrote:
> > #!/usr/bin/env python
> > import cgi
> >
> > print cgi.escape("abc")
> 
> What is the name of your script? 

I am an idiot - it is named cgi.py
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 12:48:05 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 16:18:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] cgi help
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	(delegbede@dudupay.com's message of "Wed, 6 Oct 2010 10:22:32 +0000")
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	<1286359384.2077.491.camel@localhost>
	<1286360135.2077.496.camel@localhost>
	<734801706-1286360551-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-142833551-@bda2349.bisx.produk.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <874ocz1tsq.fsf@gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 06 2010, delegbede at dudupay.com wrote:

> Got it fixed.
> Thanks y'all.
>
> I defined a variable out of scope.
> I ran it on my IDE to discover it.
> rowNumber was out of scope.

[...]

Put the following line

import cgitb ;cgitb.enable() 

at the top of your file if you're using it as a CGI. Any tracebacks will
be reported as nicely formatted HTML.

Also, Python CGI is a really archaic way to go. The interpreter startup
time is quite high. If you *must* use CGI, consider another language
like Perl.

-- 

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 12:57:55 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 16:27:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] cgi help
In-Reply-To: <874ocz1tsq.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikDi4mpUBeg5Og+ctaZOMKz3VkPqNRHZAcUnXen@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286359384.2077.491.camel@localhost>
	<1286360135.2077.496.camel@localhost>
	<734801706-1286360551-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-142833551-@bda2349.bisx.produk.on.blackberry>
	<874ocz1tsq.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101006105754.GA4100@remy>

On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 04:18:05PM +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:

> Also, Python CGI is a really archaic way to go. 

Yes, this is true. The modern way of doing this is called WSGI, which
is not as easy as CGI to being with, but people do get used to it.

> The interpreter startup
> time is quite high. If you *must* use CGI, consider another language
> like Perl.

Even for Perl, you will have to load the interpretor. So, it is a
heavy weight operation if you involve any scripting language.

I just got curious to see if this heavy weight operation can be
reduced. Looks like it can be. 

>From wikipedia:
The overhead involved in interpretation may be reduced by using
compiled CGI programs, such as those in C/C++, rather than using Perl
or other scripting languages. The overhead involved in process
creation can be reduced by solutions such as FastCGI, or by running
the application code entirely within the web server using special
extension modules.



-- 
Senthil

It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 13:27:15 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 16:57:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] cgi help
In-Reply-To: <20101006105754.GA4100@remy> (Senthil Kumaran's message of "Wed, 
	6 Oct 2010 16:27:55 +0530")
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	<1286359384.2077.491.camel@localhost>
	<1286360135.2077.496.camel@localhost>
	<734801706-1286360551-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-142833551-@bda2349.bisx.produk.on.blackberry>
	<874ocz1tsq.fsf@gmail.com> <20101006105754.GA4100@remy>
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[...]

> Even for Perl, you will have to load the interpretor. So, it is a
> heavy weight operation if you involve any scripting language.

"Loading the interpreter" is a general term. Interpreters do various
things when they start which can significantly affect performance
(searching module include paths is one example).

I tried some rudimentary comparisons and found this.

noufal at sanitarium% time ~/perl.sh
~/perl.sh  1.11s user 0.84s system 98% cpu 1.976 total

noufal at sanitarium% time ~/python.sh
~/python.sh  8.53s user 3.08s system 98% cpu 11.792 total

The programs are shown below (let me know if the program semantics are
significantly different).

perl.sh
-------
for i in $(seq 1 1000)
do
 perl -e ';'
done 

python.sh
---------
for i in $(seq 1 1000)
do
 python -c 'pass' # Similar results with python -c ''
done 


Also, changing the invocation to 

python -EsS -c 'pass' 

(i.e. no PYTHON* envars, no user site-packages directory and no "import site")
speeds it up a significantly.

noufal at sanitarium% time ~/python.sh
~/python.sh  3.55s user 1.85s system 99% cpu 5.428 total

Even with this, perl has a better startup time so if that is a concern,
and you *must* use CGI, that'd be the way to go. I'm quite sure that if
you're going that route, PHP will be even faster given it's integration
into apache.

The takeaway, I think, is use the right tool for the job. 

[...]



-- 

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 14:23:43 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 17:53:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] cgi help
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	<1286360135.2077.496.camel@localhost>
	<734801706-1286360551-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-142833551-@bda2349.bisx.produk.on.blackberry>
	<874ocz1tsq.fsf@gmail.com> <20101006105754.GA4100@remy>
	<87k4lvzhm4.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101006122343.GA7717@remy>

On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 04:57:15PM +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> 
> "Loading the interpreter" is a general term. Interpreters do various
> things when they start which can significantly affect performance
> (searching module include paths is one example).

CGI scripts have be to executed by an interpreter process.  And CGI
handling webserver modules, like mod_python/mod_perl invoke an
interpreter instance as process for handling each request.  

The blurb from the Wikpedia did mention about what I was trying to say
as heavy weight operation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Gateway_Interface#Drawbacks

And better way in Python at the moment is WSGI.

The perl vs python comparison on shell is interesting and could be due
to variety of reasons, but I am not sure if this performance
comparison is conclusive for using perl on webserver instead of
python. I have not come across this argument earlier. If it is
something which people consider, it would be interesting to know.

Perl+CGI has been there and is quite mature, that could be a probable
argument.

-- 
Senthil


From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 14:52:33 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 18:22:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] cgi help
In-Reply-To: <20101006122343.GA7717@remy> (Senthil Kumaran's message of "Wed, 
	6 Oct 2010 17:53:43 +0530")
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	<1286359384.2077.491.camel@localhost>
	<1286360135.2077.496.camel@localhost>
	<734801706-1286360551-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-142833551-@bda2349.bisx.produk.on.blackberry>
	<874ocz1tsq.fsf@gmail.com> <20101006105754.GA4100@remy>
	<87k4lvzhm4.fsf@gmail.com> <20101006122343.GA7717@remy>
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On Wed, Oct 06 2010, Senthil Kumaran wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 06, 2010 at 04:57:15PM +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
>> 
>> "Loading the interpreter" is a general term. Interpreters do various
>> things when they start which can significantly affect performance
>> (searching module include paths is one example).
>
> CGI scripts have be to executed by an interpreter process.  And CGI
> handling webserver modules, like mod_python/mod_perl invoke an
> interpreter instance as process for handling each request.  
>
> The blurb from the Wikpedia did mention about what I was trying to say
> as heavy weight operation.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Gateway_Interface#Drawbacks
>
> And better way in Python at the moment is WSGI.

Definitely. I totally agree with you. However, if (for whatever reason),
you have to use CGI, perl outperforms python. 

CGI is not all bad news either. One nice thing for example is that
memory leaks and stuff, if there, will last only for one single request
and won't really hurt the webserver as opposed to with a persistent
process where they will accumulate. Ian Bicking talked about some of
these over here
http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/01/12/what-php-deployment-gets-right/

> The perl vs python comparison on shell is interesting and could be due
> to variety of reasons, but I am not sure if this performance
> comparison is conclusive for using perl on webserver instead of
> python. I have not come across this argument earlier. If it is
> something which people consider, it would be interesting to know.

If I needed low startup times, I'd think twice before using python. It's
getting better over the years but thanks to the perl attitude of
sacrificing clarity and legibility for performance, they have a really
fast (and unmaintainable) interpreter.

I don't think it's conclusive but I'd be willing to bet that a simple
page served using cgi using Python and Perl would perform quite
differently based on this alone.

I've been bitten by this repeatedly at my previous workplace. The fact
that the Python site-packages were served off an NFS mount didn't help
either.

> Perl+CGI has been there and is quite mature, that could be a probable
> argument.

That's quite possible. I personally quite like perl in some
situations and still indulge from time to time. :)

-- 

From avinashtm at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 07:03:46 2010
From: avinashtm at gmail.com (Avinash TM)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 10:33:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Generating rss feeds, feed genetation
Message-ID: <AANLkTinj2GGBt8EFx1SfjMzO0Kob66wBZdB9HSwVSqBh@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
So far i learnt few things about how to parse the feeds using feedparser.
Now i would like to know much about 'creating rss feeds and rss feed
generation using *python*'.
But i didn't get any good simple examples or referring sites in internet.
So please suggest me.

Thanks & Regards
Avinash

From gora at mimirtech.com  Thu Oct  7 11:59:34 2010
From: gora at mimirtech.com (Gora Mohanty)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:29:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Generating rss feeds, feed genetation
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinj2GGBt8EFx1SfjMzO0Kob66wBZdB9HSwVSqBh@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinj2GGBt8EFx1SfjMzO0Kob66wBZdB9HSwVSqBh@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinPkhZqJzPtk+N_VfsMeRZMxFJa9kfWKHxeZ9F+@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Avinash TM <avinashtm at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> So far i learnt few things about how to parse the feeds using feedparser.
> Now i would like to know much about 'creating rss feeds and rss feed
> generation using *python*'.
> But i didn't get any good simple examples or referring sites in internet.
> So please suggest me.
[...]

How did you search? Searching for "python rss feed generator" turns up
many likely-looking links. Haven't used a pure Python RSS feed generator
(generally use Django facilities for this), but people seem to recommend
http://www.dalkescientific.com/Python/PyRSS2Gen.html

Regards,
Gora

From aditya.sahay at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 12:09:45 2010
From: aditya.sahay at gmail.com (Aditya Sahay)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:39:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] (no subject)
References: <7A64CA98-13D9-4E54-B938-48EE7EB5E9B3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BD0AAA8F-5CD5-4D36-A650-2E70EB3CDE13@gmail.com>

RSS feed is simply some data decorated by appropriate RSS tags. In other words, 
1. fetch the data (newest first) using whatever framework you're using, 
2. write the tags around them in a function or use some template engine (comes in many python frameworks as well as standalone), 
3. return this xml whenever a url is called

Not much work if you are up-to-speed in any web framework.


From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 12:49:03 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:19:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <BD0AAA8F-5CD5-4D36-A650-2E70EB3CDE13@gmail.com> (Aditya Sahay's
	message of "Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:39:45 +0530")
References: <7A64CA98-13D9-4E54-B938-48EE7EB5E9B3@gmail.com>
	<BD0AAA8F-5CD5-4D36-A650-2E70EB3CDE13@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <878w2ai8gw.fsf@gmail.com>


Please use an appropriate subject line when you're mailing the
list. Replying to the email you're answering helps as well since it
maintains the conversation thread.

On Thu, Oct 07 2010, Aditya Sahay wrote:

> RSS feed is simply some data decorated by appropriate RSS tags. In other words, 
> 1. fetch the data (newest first) using whatever framework you're using, 
> 2. write the tags around them in a function or use some template engine (comes in many python frameworks as well as standalone), 
> 3. return this xml whenever a url is called
>
> Not much work if you are up-to-speed in any web framework.
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 06:45:28 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 10:15:28 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] PyCon India video upload help needed
Message-ID: <87tykwt1nb.fsf@gmail.com>


Hello everyone,
        I will be getting the videos of the talks at the recent PyCon we
conducted here. There will be quite a few videos to upload so if a few
people come forward, meet me somewhere in the city, take a DVD from me
and upload the videos to blip.tv, it would be speed up the process
considerably.

        If anyone can help out, please call me directly. My phone number
is on the sponsors page on the website (http://in.pycon.org/2010/sponsors)

Thanks.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in


From nitin.nitp at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 08:37:23 2010
From: nitin.nitp at gmail.com (Nitin Kumar)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 12:07:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] How to retrieve file from another server using Python
Message-ID: <AANLkTikd1udCcBSYG-qZxnXZM0GHQjz2rgP10u8hY8g0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I want to fetch/copy one file from a server.
what all things i can do for the same? Plz help

-- 
Nitin K

From noufal at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 09:09:06 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 12:39:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] How to retrieve file from another server using
	Python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikd1udCcBSYG-qZxnXZM0GHQjz2rgP10u8hY8g0@mail.gmail.com>
	(Nitin Kumar's message of "Sat, 9 Oct 2010 12:07:23 +0530")
References: <AANLkTikd1udCcBSYG-qZxnXZM0GHQjz2rgP10u8hY8g0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87k4lru9kd.fsf@gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 09 2010, Nitin Kumar wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I want to fetch/copy one file from a server.
> what all things i can do for the same? Plz help

You can go to the server, burn the file onto a DVD, bring the DVD back
to your machine and copy the file onto your hard disk. That's what I'd
do if the file sizes were over a 2 or 3 GB and if I had access to the
server.

Your question is a little vague. Can you be a little more specific? 
http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#beprecise

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From sudheer.s at sudheer.net  Sat Oct  9 10:44:09 2010
From: sudheer.s at sudheer.net (Sudheer Satyanarayana)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 14:14:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] How to retrieve file from another server using
	Python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikd1udCcBSYG-qZxnXZM0GHQjz2rgP10u8hY8g0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikd1udCcBSYG-qZxnXZM0GHQjz2rgP10u8hY8g0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CB02B59.3080905@sudheer.net>

On 10/09/2010 12:07 PM, Nitin Kumar wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I want to fetch/copy one file from a server.
> what all things i can do for the same? Plz help
>
>    
Using Python you can connect to the server using various protocols - 
FTP, HTTP, SSH, etc. Serve the file on the server using any of these 
methods. The client code would just be a snippet.


-- 

Sudheer Satyanarayana
Binary Vibes Information Technologies Pvt. Ltd.
Postal Address: #506, 10th B Main Road, I Block, Jayanagar, Bangalore ? 560 011
URL : www.binaryvibes.co.in
Phone: +91 80 41558451 * Mobile: +91 99005 07499
Community : http://techchorus.net


From aditya.sahay at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 16:15:03 2010
From: aditya.sahay at gmail.com (Aditya Sahay)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 19:45:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] How to retrieve file from another server using
	Python (Nitin Kumar)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1286618402.30688.bangpypers@python.org>
References: <mailman.9.1286618402.30688.bangpypers@python.org>
Message-ID: <06E0558E-22C4-4043-872C-C23B8D7A6295@gmail.com>

urlretrieve should work for you.

From kunal.t2 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 17:45:19 2010
From: kunal.t2 at gmail.com (kunal ghosh)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 21:15:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] PyCon India video upload help needed
In-Reply-To: <87tykwt1nb.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87tykwt1nb.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CB08E0F.8010801@gmail.com>

  On 10/09/2010 10:15 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>          I will be getting the videos of the talks at the recent PyCon we
> conducted here. There will be quite a few videos to upload so if a few
> people come forward, meet me somewhere in the city, take a DVD from me
> and upload the videos to blip.tv, it would be speed up the process
> considerably.
>
>          If anyone can help out, please call me directly. My phone number
> is on the sponsors page on the website (http://in.pycon.org/2010/sponsors)
>
> Thanks.
>
If you do not mind, i can upload the videos to our college server it 
would be much easier,
and save on some bandwidth costs as well.

regards,
Kunal

From noufal at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 18:24:06 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2010 21:54:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] PyCon India video upload help needed
In-Reply-To: <4CB08E0F.8010801@gmail.com> (kunal ghosh's message of "Sat, 09
	Oct 2010 21:15:19 +0530")
References: <87tykwt1nb.fsf@gmail.com> <4CB08E0F.8010801@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87wrpr5o7t.fsf@gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 09 2010, kunal ghosh wrote:

>  On 10/09/2010 10:15 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>>          I will be getting the videos of the talks at the recent PyCon we
>> conducted here. There will be quite a few videos to upload so if a few
>> people come forward, meet me somewhere in the city, take a DVD from me
>> and upload the videos to blip.tv, it would be speed up the process
>> considerably.
>>
>>          If anyone can help out, please call me directly. My phone number
>> is on the sponsors page on the website (http://in.pycon.org/2010/sponsors)
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
> If you do not mind, i can upload the videos to our college server it
> would be much easier,
> and save on some bandwidth costs as well.

[...]

If it's okay with the college, it's okay with me. I am ripping the DVDs
right now and doing some transcoding. Please call me sometime tomorrow
morning and we can fix a time for me to give you a batch for upload. 


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From kunal.t2 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 10 03:36:01 2010
From: kunal.t2 at gmail.com (kunal ghosh)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 07:06:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] PyCon India video upload help needed
In-Reply-To: <87wrpr5o7t.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87tykwt1nb.fsf@gmail.com> <4CB08E0F.8010801@gmail.com>
	<87wrpr5o7t.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinrSNwYM6h=fdU-CAXAiJuY-eGO8Lx87eL4bOUL@mail.gmail.com>

ok, will do.

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 09 2010, kunal ghosh wrote:
>
> >  On 10/09/2010 10:15 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> >> Hello everyone,
> >>          I will be getting the videos of the talks at the recent PyCon
> we
> >> conducted here. There will be quite a few videos to upload so if a few
> >> people come forward, meet me somewhere in the city, take a DVD from me
> >> and upload the videos to blip.tv, it would be speed up the process
> >> considerably.
> >>
> >>          If anyone can help out, please call me directly. My phone
> number
> >> is on the sponsors page on the website (
> http://in.pycon.org/2010/sponsors)
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> > If you do not mind, i can upload the videos to our college server it
> > would be much easier,
> > and save on some bandwidth costs as well.
>
> [...]
>
> If it's okay with the college, it's okay with me. I am ripping the DVDs
> right now and doing some transcoding. Please call me sometime tomorrow
> morning and we can fix a time for me to give you a batch for upload.
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
regards
-------
Kunal Ghosh
Dept of Computer Sc. & Engineering.
Sir MVIT
Bangalore,India

Blog:kunalghosh.wordpress.com
Website:www.kunalghosh.net46.net

From thesujit at gmail.com  Sun Oct 10 07:59:59 2010
From: thesujit at gmail.com (Sujit Ghosal)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 11:29:59 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] How to retrieve file from another server using
	Python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikd1udCcBSYG-qZxnXZM0GHQjz2rgP10u8hY8g0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikd1udCcBSYG-qZxnXZM0GHQjz2rgP10u8hY8g0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin+rcZDeSf2XSyXk2rajGMp1jt39Ak2PEakmPd6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Nitin,
    Python has its own set of classes and methods to fetch,send HTTP/FTP and
other protocol related data. First you make sure that on which port/protocol
your communications (send/receive) will be done. Then choose the appropriate
classes and so on. Let us know if you face any issues.

Hope it helps.

- Sujit

From abpillai at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 15:51:59 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 19:21:59 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] How to retrieve file from another server using
	Python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikd1udCcBSYG-qZxnXZM0GHQjz2rgP10u8hY8g0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikd1udCcBSYG-qZxnXZM0GHQjz2rgP10u8hY8g0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim-0U20tsw8Lff23qRdW_O5u0t2VrSY88x4zEJD@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Nitin Kumar <nitin.nitp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I want to fetch/copy one file from a server.
> what all things i can do for the same? Plz help
>

Depends on what language the server talks. Python supports almost
all of the common internet protocols such as HTTP, FTP, SMTP, XML-RPC
,SOAP etc. And  there are third party libraries available for any
 unsupported protocols in the standard library.

 Mostly urllib/urllib2* functions should help you.


>
> --
> Nitin K
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
--Anand

From avinashtm at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 08:35:27 2010
From: avinashtm at gmail.com (Avinash TM)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 12:05:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python coaching classes
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=GqCp1zbeg_fTtbRnG=ZiBAfOr8MgwzfOmFtNQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,
Myself Avinash, recently finished my BE , and joined a startup few weeks
back.
My job is entirely based on python platform.
So i want to learn python in much extent , and get a good handle very
quickly.
Is there any coaching classes in Bangalore, which teaches python.
Or any people ready to take classes in week end for 1 or 2 hours. Please let
me know. It would be much helpful for me.
Mean while I am going through the video tutorials as well but , didn't
getting the full things.

Waiting for reply


Thanks & Regards
Avinash
90 36 35 2341

From thesujit at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 08:44:25 2010
From: thesujit at gmail.com (Sujit Ghosal)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 12:14:25 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python coaching classes
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=GqCp1zbeg_fTtbRnG=ZiBAfOr8MgwzfOmFtNQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=GqCp1zbeg_fTtbRnG=ZiBAfOr8MgwzfOmFtNQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikw_fTF2-zzE57-ZdYsP4L0U2rtFhvBRntdFFch@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Avinash,
    Well you can go through some Python VTC (if you are starting from
scratch), and then refer Byte of Python PDF (Its very useful for beginners)
and of-course *docs.python (http://docs.python.org/tutorial/index.html)* is
cool. And AFAIK there are no such Python training classes in Bangalore. You
have to learn it of your own. :)

Hope it helps.

Best Regards,
Sujit


On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Avinash TM <avinashtm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
> Myself Avinash, recently finished my BE , and joined a startup few weeks
> back.
> My job is entirely based on python platform.
> So i want to learn python in much extent , and get a good handle very
> quickly.
> Is there any coaching classes in Bangalore, which teaches python.
> Or any people ready to take classes in week end for 1 or 2 hours. Please
> let
> me know. It would be much helpful for me.
> Mean while I am going through the video tutorials as well but , didn't
> getting the full things.
>
> Waiting for reply
>
>
> Thanks & Regards
> Avinash
> 90 36 35 2341
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Tue Oct 12 08:59:48 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 12:29:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python coaching classes
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikw_fTF2-zzE57-ZdYsP4L0U2rtFhvBRntdFFch@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=GqCp1zbeg_fTtbRnG=ZiBAfOr8MgwzfOmFtNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikw_fTF2-zzE57-ZdYsP4L0U2rtFhvBRntdFFch@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1286866788.2191.58.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 12:14 +0530, Sujit Ghosal wrote:
> And AFAIK there are no such Python training classes in Bangalore.

there will be soon
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 10:36:42 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 14:06:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python training classes in Bangalore (was: Python
	coaching classes)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikw_fTF2-zzE57-ZdYsP4L0U2rtFhvBRntdFFch@mail.gmail.com>
	(Sujit Ghosal's message of "Tue, 12 Oct 2010 12:14:25 +0530")
References: <AANLkTi=GqCp1zbeg_fTtbRnG=ZiBAfOr8MgwzfOmFtNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikw_fTF2-zzE57-ZdYsP4L0U2rtFhvBRntdFFch@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87pqvfzu1x.fsf_-_@gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 12 2010, Sujit Ghosal wrote:

> Hi Avinash,
>     Well you can go through some Python VTC (if you are starting from
> scratch), and then refer Byte of Python PDF (Its very useful for beginners)
> and of-course *docs.python (http://docs.python.org/tutorial/index.html)* is
> cool. And AFAIK there are no such Python training classes in Bangalore. You
> have to learn it of your own. :)

[...]

Sorry to semi-hijack your thread.

I have some nascent plans to set up some kind of semi-regular trainings
on basic and advanced Python in Bangalore on a commercial basis
(i.e. people attending will have to pay).

I've had some request over the past few months asking for this kind of
thing and want to know if it'll really work. If there are sufficient
+1s, I'm hoping to do something like this in early November or so.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From murugadoss2884 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 12:44:40 2010
From: murugadoss2884 at gmail.com (murugadoss)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 19:44:40 +0900
Subject: [BangPypers] Accessing file using httpsconnection
Message-ID: <AANLkTimLg7BLC22hmz-AJ69siQt5B5e5ePwiyZ9Rji_L@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

Hope everyone is doing good !!

 I am writing a test program using https module, Aim of the program is to
connect to internet, download few files from the server. Give below is the
sample code

 Sample Code:
      >>>  import httplib
      >>> conn = httplib.HTTPSConnection("internet server")
      >>> conn.request("GET","/'*.zip")

On sending request for getting files, python throws "segmentation fault". I
feel, http connection is successful, but the Error is due to some invalid
access of "conn" information.

I would like to know, the debugging procedure to trace the reason for
 fault.

("Python is compiled is SSL to support httpsconnection)

Any suggestions will be helpful.

--
Thanks & Regards
Murugadoss

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 12:56:55 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 16:26:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Accessing file using httpsconnection
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimLg7BLC22hmz-AJ69siQt5B5e5ePwiyZ9Rji_L@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimLg7BLC22hmz-AJ69siQt5B5e5ePwiyZ9Rji_L@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101012105655.GA24102@remy>

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 07:44:40PM +0900, murugadoss wrote:
>  Sample Code:
>       >>>  import httplib
>       >>> conn = httplib.HTTPSConnection("internet server")
>       >>> conn.request("GET","/'*.zip")
> 

I guessing you are using a correct "internet server" correctly.

>>> conn = httplib.HTTPSConnection('myhostname.domain',port) 
>>> conn.request("GET","/") # Lets first do a simple GET

If you have to get *.zip files, you might have to pass the proper
headers in the first stmt. 

> On sending request for getting files, python throws "segmentation fault". I

Segmentation fault is funny!, It would help if you paste the full error
message or traceback

-- 
Senthil

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Tue Oct 12 13:08:27 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 16:38:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Accessing file using httpsconnection
In-Reply-To: <20101012105655.GA24102@remy>
References: <AANLkTimLg7BLC22hmz-AJ69siQt5B5e5ePwiyZ9Rji_L@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101012105655.GA24102@remy>
Message-ID: <1286881707.2191.73.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 16:26 +0530, Senthil Kumaran wrote:
> > On sending request for getting files, python throws "segmentation
> fault". I
> 
> Segmentation fault is funny!, It would help if you paste the full
> error
> message or traceback 

will you get a traceback on segfault?
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From yarish at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 14:01:26 2010
From: yarish at gmail.com (yarish kumar)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 17:31:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python training classes in Bangalore (was: Python
 coaching classes)
In-Reply-To: <87pqvfzu1x.fsf_-_@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=GqCp1zbeg_fTtbRnG=ZiBAfOr8MgwzfOmFtNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikw_fTF2-zzE57-ZdYsP4L0U2rtFhvBRntdFFch@mail.gmail.com>
	<87pqvfzu1x.fsf_-_@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=LWJS6vhu-SVhPA6kvzrP71pKR10g7B=eyHTs+@mail.gmail.com>

+1

i'm interested in python advanced level  emacs/linux env. and LAMP stack.

thanks,
yarish kumar
Bangalore | +91 99800 44534 | *skype :* yarishkumar
linkedin <http://www.linkedin.com/in/yarish> |
twitter<http://twitter.com/yarishj>
 | orkut <http://www.orkut.com/Main#Profile?uid=12735169810666927091> |
facebook <http://www.facebook.com/yarish.kumar>



On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 12 2010, Sujit Ghosal wrote:
>
> > Hi Avinash,
> >     Well you can go through some Python VTC (if you are starting from
> > scratch), and then refer Byte of Python PDF (Its very useful for
> beginners)
> > and of-course *docs.python (http://docs.python.org/tutorial/index.html)*is
> > cool. And AFAIK there are no such Python training classes in Bangalore.
> You
> > have to learn it of your own. :)
>
> [...]
>
> Sorry to semi-hijack your thread.
>
> I have some nascent plans to set up some kind of semi-regular trainings
> on basic and advanced Python in Bangalore on a commercial basis
> (i.e. people attending will have to pay).
>
> I've had some request over the past few months asking for this kind of
> thing and want to know if it'll really work. If there are sufficient
> +1s, I'm hoping to do something like this in early November or so.
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 14:16:52 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 17:46:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Accessing file using httpsconnection
In-Reply-To: <1286881707.2191.73.camel@localhost>
References: <AANLkTimLg7BLC22hmz-AJ69siQt5B5e5ePwiyZ9Rji_L@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101012105655.GA24102@remy> <1286881707.2191.73.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=TvxpxnwcXLjmFf+OfDPdhN2WC3RZ4ajLcF2u3@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
>
> > Segmentation fault is funny!, It would help if you paste the full
> > error
> > message or traceback
>
> will you get a traceback on segfault?

You wont. Sorry.
Segfault while using httplib/sockets is *extremely* rare, I am not
sure if I have come across it before.
So, I was more interested in the actually snippet which caused the
error (which I believe should be a traceback).

--
Senthil

From kunal.t2 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 16:00:19 2010
From: kunal.t2 at gmail.com (kunal ghosh)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 19:30:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Extending an existing KDE app using python (PyKDE ?)
Message-ID: <4CB469F3.3090705@gmail.com>

  Hi all,
I develop for digikam (www.digikam.org). Being a Pure C++ application
most of my novice-ish C++ experience coding for the same takes up a lot
of time debugging trivial errors.

My Question is that, can i extend an existing C++ Qt/KDE application using
python ? (pyQt and pyKDE AFAIK is for standalone application).

I am open to any suggestion. As long as it reduces the amount of C++
i have to write.


regards,
Kunal

From venkat83 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 16:44:15 2010
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 20:14:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [x-post] Fwd: Django Linky
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinsZNpviRWB=6S61VE8wNSM+jG0jfP9gEvcnhS-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinsZNpviRWB=6S61VE8wNSM+jG0jfP9gEvcnhS-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikWzvkEUnvfuV1zvbOg0H+rysVf2TEuKQ_WrN9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Why django sucks....err...rules

http://djangocon.blip.tv/file/4112452/
http://www.eflorenzano.com/blog/post/object-lesson-how-respond-criticism/

-V-

From renukaprasadb at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 17:52:51 2010
From: renukaprasadb at gmail.com (renuka prasad)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 21:22:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python coaching classes
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=GqCp1zbeg_fTtbRnG=ZiBAfOr8MgwzfOmFtNQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=GqCp1zbeg_fTtbRnG=ZiBAfOr8MgwzfOmFtNQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=WqGZqw1ss=tDN1so3JzBUji2RRwoPHk__46Rj@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Avinash TM <avinashtm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
> Myself Avinash, recently finished my BE , and joined a startup few weeks
> back.
> My job is entirely based on python platform.
> So i want to learn python in much extent , and get a good handle very
> quickly.
> Is there any coaching classes in Bangalore, which teaches python.
> Or any people ready to take classes in week end for 1 or 2 hours. Please
> let
> me know. It would be much helpful for me.
> Mean while I am going through the video tutorials as well but , didn't
> getting the full things.
>
>
where are you put up, i have lfew videos to share with me, which you could
download from FOSSEE website  http://fossee.in/videos which has their
workshop videos, which are quite useful, then you can take on by yourself

> Waiting for reply
>
>
> Thanks & Regards
> Avinash
> 90 36 35 2341
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9901945674

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 13 02:04:17 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 05:34:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Accessing file using httpsconnection
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=TvxpxnwcXLjmFf+OfDPdhN2WC3RZ4ajLcF2u3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimLg7BLC22hmz-AJ69siQt5B5e5ePwiyZ9Rji_L@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101012105655.GA24102@remy> <1286881707.2191.73.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=TvxpxnwcXLjmFf+OfDPdhN2WC3RZ4ajLcF2u3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1286928257.2191.77.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 17:46 +0530, Senthil Kumaran wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Segmentation fault is funny!, It would help if you paste the full
> > > error
> > > message or traceback
> >
> > will you get a traceback on segfault?
> 
> You wont. Sorry.
> Segfault while using httplib/sockets is *extremely* rare, 

segfault using python has only occurred for me when some part of the
installation or the OS is b0rked (and of course, when using
mod_python). 
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From jayasimha.makineni at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 07:16:54 2010
From: jayasimha.makineni at gmail.com (jayasimha makineni)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:46:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python coaching classes
In-Reply-To: <1286866788.2191.58.camel@localhost>
References: <AANLkTi=GqCp1zbeg_fTtbRnG=ZiBAfOr8MgwzfOmFtNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikw_fTF2-zzE57-ZdYsP4L0U2rtFhvBRntdFFch@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286866788.2191.58.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinAi=_zPpfTzf15CyQiy=Ud59OBU2dv5K19c1vF@mail.gmail.com>

Kenneth,

Please elaborate. I want to be a Python Instructor.

cheers,
jay

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 13 07:58:48 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:28:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python coaching classes
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinAi=_zPpfTzf15CyQiy=Ud59OBU2dv5K19c1vF@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=GqCp1zbeg_fTtbRnG=ZiBAfOr8MgwzfOmFtNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikw_fTF2-zzE57-ZdYsP4L0U2rtFhvBRntdFFch@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286866788.2191.58.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTinAi=_zPpfTzf15CyQiy=Ud59OBU2dv5K19c1vF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1286949528.2238.2.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 10:46 +0530, jayasimha makineni wrote:
> Please elaborate. I want to be a Python Instructor.

elaborate on what?
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From jayasimha.makineni at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 08:02:45 2010
From: jayasimha.makineni at gmail.com (jayasimha makineni)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:32:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python coaching classes
In-Reply-To: <1286949528.2238.2.camel@localhost>
References: <AANLkTi=GqCp1zbeg_fTtbRnG=ZiBAfOr8MgwzfOmFtNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikw_fTF2-zzE57-ZdYsP4L0U2rtFhvBRntdFFch@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286866788.2191.58.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTinAi=_zPpfTzf15CyQiy=Ud59OBU2dv5K19c1vF@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949528.2238.2.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=9V_=jjfpQv_65S=nngXfv3-UhnaMhVpo_6abU@mail.gmail.com>

Kenneth,

on "there will be soon"

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 10:46 +0530, jayasimha makineni wrote:
> > Please elaborate. I want to be a Python Instructor.
>
> elaborate on what?
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 13 08:05:05 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:35:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python coaching classes
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=9V_=jjfpQv_65S=nngXfv3-UhnaMhVpo_6abU@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=GqCp1zbeg_fTtbRnG=ZiBAfOr8MgwzfOmFtNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikw_fTF2-zzE57-ZdYsP4L0U2rtFhvBRntdFFch@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286866788.2191.58.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTinAi=_zPpfTzf15CyQiy=Ud59OBU2dv5K19c1vF@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949528.2238.2.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=9V_=jjfpQv_65S=nngXfv3-UhnaMhVpo_6abU@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1286949905.2238.5.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 11:32 +0530, jayasimha makineni wrote:
> on "there will be soon"

it is a secret - all will be revealed at an appropriate time.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From harsha.mukkera at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 14:43:54 2010
From: harsha.mukkera at gmail.com (mukkera harsha)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 08:43:54 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] Python coaching classes
In-Reply-To: <1286949905.2238.5.camel@localhost>
References: <AANLkTi=GqCp1zbeg_fTtbRnG=ZiBAfOr8MgwzfOmFtNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikw_fTF2-zzE57-ZdYsP4L0U2rtFhvBRntdFFch@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286866788.2191.58.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTinAi=_zPpfTzf15CyQiy=Ud59OBU2dv5K19c1vF@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949528.2238.2.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=9V_=jjfpQv_65S=nngXfv3-UhnaMhVpo_6abU@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949905.2238.5.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimHuxzzBfUnVDg89rzm2i55na79OK6b4tooKcLZ@mail.gmail.com>

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "workflowexecutionservice.py", line 24, in

class Subworkflow(ClassSerializer):

File "workflowexecutionservice.py", line 26, in Subworkflow

files = AnyAsDict(String)

TypeError: *new*() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given)


I am getting the following error. Please help me.

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 11:32 +0530, jayasimha makineni wrote:
> > on "there will be soon"
>
> it is a secret - all will be revealed at an appropriate time.
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Harshavardhan Reddy Mukkera.

From gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 15:32:34 2010
From: gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com (Gopalakrishnan Subramani)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:02:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python coaching classes
In-Reply-To: <1286949905.2238.5.camel@localhost>
References: <AANLkTi=GqCp1zbeg_fTtbRnG=ZiBAfOr8MgwzfOmFtNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikw_fTF2-zzE57-ZdYsP4L0U2rtFhvBRntdFFch@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286866788.2191.58.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTinAi=_zPpfTzf15CyQiy=Ud59OBU2dv5K19c1vF@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949528.2238.2.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=9V_=jjfpQv_65S=nngXfv3-UhnaMhVpo_6abU@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949905.2238.5.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=UQOKk+PcAnrfT2LE4T-iGfo=j8FGsWOcLjgvF@mail.gmail.com>

I will be interested in advanced python session anywhere in Bangalore.



On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 11:32 +0530, jayasimha makineni wrote:
> > on "there will be soon"
>
> it is a secret - all will be revealed at an appropriate time.
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 15:47:35 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:17:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] TypeError: problem (was:  Python coaching classes)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimHuxzzBfUnVDg89rzm2i55na79OK6b4tooKcLZ@mail.gmail.com>
	(mukkera harsha's message of "Wed, 13 Oct 2010 08:43:54 -0400")
References: <AANLkTi=GqCp1zbeg_fTtbRnG=ZiBAfOr8MgwzfOmFtNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikw_fTF2-zzE57-ZdYsP4L0U2rtFhvBRntdFFch@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286866788.2191.58.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTinAi=_zPpfTzf15CyQiy=Ud59OBU2dv5K19c1vF@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949528.2238.2.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=9V_=jjfpQv_65S=nngXfv3-UhnaMhVpo_6abU@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949905.2238.5.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTimHuxzzBfUnVDg89rzm2i55na79OK6b4tooKcLZ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87mxqidx1k.fsf_-_@gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 13 2010, mukkera harsha wrote:

> Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "workflowexecutionservice.py", line 24, in
>
> class Subworkflow(ClassSerializer):
>
> File "workflowexecutionservice.py", line 26, in Subworkflow
>
> files = AnyAsDict(String)
>
> TypeError: *new*() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given)
>
>
> I am getting the following error. Please help me.

[...]

We'd need more context and information to help you. Can you provide the
code you're having trouble with? The obvious problem is that you're
passing too many arguments to the AnyAsDict constructor but without
information on what that is, we can't help.

Also, please start a new thread for a new question. Replying to an older
thread messes threading in most mail clients. 

Please read through
http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html and reask your
question if you want a more detailed answer.

Also, as a minor point, you've pasted your traceback before your request
for help so you're getting the "preceeding error" and not the "following
error". :)

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From harsha.mukkera at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 16:18:59 2010
From: harsha.mukkera at gmail.com (mukkera harsha)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:18:59 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] TypeError: problem (was: Python coaching classes)
In-Reply-To: <87mxqidx1k.fsf_-_@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=GqCp1zbeg_fTtbRnG=ZiBAfOr8MgwzfOmFtNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikw_fTF2-zzE57-ZdYsP4L0U2rtFhvBRntdFFch@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286866788.2191.58.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTinAi=_zPpfTzf15CyQiy=Ud59OBU2dv5K19c1vF@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949528.2238.2.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=9V_=jjfpQv_65S=nngXfv3-UhnaMhVpo_6abU@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949905.2238.5.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTimHuxzzBfUnVDg89rzm2i55na79OK6b4tooKcLZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<87mxqidx1k.fsf_-_@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinWewqd0MUMtCgH8QQ9FwRQOvTumWRMrjTmFD7c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

The attached is my code.

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 13 2010, mukkera harsha wrote:
>
> > Traceback (most recent call last):
> > File "workflowexecutionservice.py", line 24, in
> >
> > class Subworkflow(ClassSerializer):
> >
> > File "workflowexecutionservice.py", line 26, in Subworkflow
> >
> > files = AnyAsDict(String)
> >
> > TypeError: *new*() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given)
> >
> >
> > I am getting the following error. Please help me.
>
> [...]
>
> We'd need more context and information to help you. Can you provide the
> code you're having trouble with? The obvious problem is that you're
> passing too many arguments to the AnyAsDict constructor but without
> information on what that is, we can't help.
>
> Also, please start a new thread for a new question. Replying to an older
> thread messes threading in most mail clients.
>
> Please read through
> http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html and reask your
> question if you want a more detailed answer.
>
> Also, as a minor point, you've pasted your traceback before your request
> for help so you're getting the "preceeding error" and not the "following
> error". :)
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Harshavardhan Reddy Mukkera.

From jaganadhg at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 17:23:47 2010
From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 20:53:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python-yql error
Message-ID: <AANLkTimRb8WLmL=oX6t=No0U9CL6WO6biVv3QA2t+nih@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All
I was trying to run the following code

>>> import yql
>>> y = yql.Public()
>>> query = 'select * from flickr.photos.search where text="panda" limit 3';
>>> result = y.execute(query)

When i execute the fourth line I am getting the error
http://pastebin.com/HryAZVEA .
Any clue how to resolve this.

-- 
**********************************
JAGANADH G
http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog

From vnbang2003 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 13 17:23:53 2010
From: vnbang2003 at yahoo.com (vijay)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 20:53:53 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [BangPypers] Python coaching classes
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimHuxzzBfUnVDg89rzm2i55na79OK6b4tooKcLZ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <524179.28410.qm@web95313.mail.in2.yahoo.com>

What i can guess is AnyAsDict() constructor does not need any argument but you are passing one. self will be default? argument it will have.
You context code can help to get exact answer.

With Regards
Vijay


--- On Wed, 13/10/10, mukkera harsha <harsha.mukkera at gmail.com> wrote:

From: mukkera harsha <harsha.mukkera at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Python coaching classes
To: "Bangalore Python Users Group - India" <bangpypers at python.org>
Date: Wednesday, 13 October, 2010, 6:13 PM

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "workflowexecutionservice.py", line 24, in

class Subworkflow(ClassSerializer):

File "workflowexecutionservice.py", line 26, in Subworkflow

files = AnyAsDict(String)

TypeError: *new*() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given)


I am getting the following error. Please help me.

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 11:32 +0530, jayasimha makineni wrote:
> > on "there will be soon"
>
> it is a secret - all will be revealed at an appropriate time.
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Harshavardhan Reddy Mukkera.
_______________________________________________
BangPypers mailing list
BangPypers at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers



From harsha.mukkera at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 17:32:36 2010
From: harsha.mukkera at gmail.com (mukkera harsha)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:32:36 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] Python coaching classes
In-Reply-To: <524179.28410.qm@web95313.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTimHuxzzBfUnVDg89rzm2i55na79OK6b4tooKcLZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<524179.28410.qm@web95313.mail.in2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikzRhYeFM2w8BbiNKePEUjBncJtnREBvAZRGhJC@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I need to get the xml file and convert the data into dictionary. So, In
order to specify the xml file , I need to pass the paramater.
The attached is the code I am working on, Can you please let me know if I
need to make any other changes in the code.

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:23 AM, vijay <vnbang2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> What i can guess is AnyAsDict() constructor does not need any argument but
> you are passing one. self will be default  argument it will have.
> You context code can help to get exact answer.
>
> With Regards
> Vijay
>
>
> --- On Wed, 13/10/10, mukkera harsha <harsha.mukkera at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: mukkera harsha <harsha.mukkera at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Python coaching classes
> To: "Bangalore Python Users Group - India" <bangpypers at python.org>
> Date: Wednesday, 13 October, 2010, 6:13 PM
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "workflowexecutionservice.py", line 24, in
>
> class Subworkflow(ClassSerializer):
>
> File "workflowexecutionservice.py", line 26, in Subworkflow
>
> files = AnyAsDict(String)
>
> TypeError: *new*() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given)
>
>
> I am getting the following error. Please help me.
>
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org
> >wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 11:32 +0530, jayasimha makineni wrote:
> > > on "there will be soon"
> >
> > it is a secret - all will be revealed at an appropriate time.
> > --
> > regards
> > Kenneth Gonsalves
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Harshavardhan Reddy Mukkera.
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Harshavardhan Reddy Mukkera.

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Oct 14 06:55:24 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 10:25:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python coaching classes
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=UQOKk+PcAnrfT2LE4T-iGfo=j8FGsWOcLjgvF@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=GqCp1zbeg_fTtbRnG=ZiBAfOr8MgwzfOmFtNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikw_fTF2-zzE57-ZdYsP4L0U2rtFhvBRntdFFch@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286866788.2191.58.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTinAi=_zPpfTzf15CyQiy=Ud59OBU2dv5K19c1vF@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949528.2238.2.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=9V_=jjfpQv_65S=nngXfv3-UhnaMhVpo_6abU@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949905.2238.5.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=UQOKk+PcAnrfT2LE4T-iGfo=j8FGsWOcLjgvF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1287032124.2238.17.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 19:02 +0530, Gopalakrishnan Subramani wrote:
> I will be interested in advanced python session anywhere in Bangalore.

as a trainer or as a trainee?
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Oct 14 06:56:26 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 10:26:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] TypeError: problem (was: Python coaching classes)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinWewqd0MUMtCgH8QQ9FwRQOvTumWRMrjTmFD7c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=GqCp1zbeg_fTtbRnG=ZiBAfOr8MgwzfOmFtNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikw_fTF2-zzE57-ZdYsP4L0U2rtFhvBRntdFFch@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286866788.2191.58.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTinAi=_zPpfTzf15CyQiy=Ud59OBU2dv5K19c1vF@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949528.2238.2.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=9V_=jjfpQv_65S=nngXfv3-UhnaMhVpo_6abU@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949905.2238.5.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTimHuxzzBfUnVDg89rzm2i55na79OK6b4tooKcLZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<87mxqidx1k.fsf_-_@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinWewqd0MUMtCgH8QQ9FwRQOvTumWRMrjTmFD7c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1287032186.2238.22.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 10:18 -0400, mukkera harsha wrote:
> The attached is my code.

looks like the attachment was stripped - use http://dpaste.com
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From harsha.mukkera at gmail.com  Thu Oct 14 07:04:49 2010
From: harsha.mukkera at gmail.com (mukkera harsha)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 01:04:49 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] TypeError: problem (was: Python coaching classes)
In-Reply-To: <1287032186.2238.22.camel@localhost>
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	<1286866788.2191.58.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTinAi=_zPpfTzf15CyQiy=Ud59OBU2dv5K19c1vF@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949528.2238.2.camel@localhost>
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Hi,

Thanks for your reply.

http://dpaste.com/257629/

I pasted the code as you said. Please follow the link.

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 10:18 -0400, mukkera harsha wrote:
> > The attached is my code.
>
> looks like the attachment was stripped - use http://dpaste.com
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
>
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-- 
Harshavardhan Reddy Mukkera.

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Thu Oct 14 07:32:17 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 11:02:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] TypeError: problem (was: Python coaching classes)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikmpmRGnB+5xg5G7aDfPRFu3PAqbj1+fuA1YseT@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1286866788.2191.58.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTinAi=_zPpfTzf15CyQiy=Ud59OBU2dv5K19c1vF@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949528.2238.2.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=9V_=jjfpQv_65S=nngXfv3-UhnaMhVpo_6abU@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949905.2238.5.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTimHuxzzBfUnVDg89rzm2i55na79OK6b4tooKcLZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<87mxqidx1k.fsf_-_@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinWewqd0MUMtCgH8QQ9FwRQOvTumWRMrjTmFD7c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287032186.2238.22.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTikmpmRGnB+5xg5G7aDfPRFu3PAqbj1+fuA1YseT@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101014053216.GC2064@remy>

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 01:04:49AM -0400, mukkera harsha wrote:
> 
> http://dpaste.com/257629/
> 
> I pasted the code as you said. Please follow the link.

This may hardly help. Here are the suggestions for you to debug your
code. TypeError is rather the easiest of Exceptions to debug.

- From the traceback, find out where exactly does the TypeError
  occurs. The traceback would give the exact line and the variable
  name.

- Go there and do a print(type(variable)) and see if the code was
  expecting the same

And then you should be able to correct the problem.


-- 
Senthil

I hate dying.
		-- Dave Johnson

From gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com  Thu Oct 14 11:13:47 2010
From: gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com (Gopalakrishnan Subramani)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:43:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python coaching classes
In-Reply-To: <1287032124.2238.17.camel@localhost>
References: <AANLkTi=GqCp1zbeg_fTtbRnG=ZiBAfOr8MgwzfOmFtNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikw_fTF2-zzE57-ZdYsP4L0U2rtFhvBRntdFFch@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286866788.2191.58.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTinAi=_zPpfTzf15CyQiy=Ud59OBU2dv5K19c1vF@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949528.2238.2.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=9V_=jjfpQv_65S=nngXfv3-UhnaMhVpo_6abU@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949905.2238.5.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=UQOKk+PcAnrfT2LE4T-iGfo=j8FGsWOcLjgvF@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287032124.2238.17.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik_aYW0qRm27LEeHftAtLOQYx=Y-GK8oRmov2T5@mail.gmail.com>

I would be interested as trainee for advanced python courses.

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 19:02 +0530, Gopalakrishnan Subramani wrote:
> > I will be interested in advanced python session anywhere in Bangalore.
>
> as a trainer or as a trainee?
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Oct 14 11:16:32 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:46:32 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python coaching classes
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik_aYW0qRm27LEeHftAtLOQYx=Y-GK8oRmov2T5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=GqCp1zbeg_fTtbRnG=ZiBAfOr8MgwzfOmFtNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikw_fTF2-zzE57-ZdYsP4L0U2rtFhvBRntdFFch@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286866788.2191.58.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTinAi=_zPpfTzf15CyQiy=Ud59OBU2dv5K19c1vF@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949528.2238.2.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=9V_=jjfpQv_65S=nngXfv3-UhnaMhVpo_6abU@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949905.2238.5.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=UQOKk+PcAnrfT2LE4T-iGfo=j8FGsWOcLjgvF@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287032124.2238.17.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTik_aYW0qRm27LEeHftAtLOQYx=Y-GK8oRmov2T5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1287047792.2238.77.camel@localhost>

On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 14:43 +0530, Gopalakrishnan Subramani wrote:
> I would be interested as trainee for advanced python courses.

and if you do not mind - could you specify what you expect from an
'advanced python course'?
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From vid at svaksha.com  Thu Oct 14 12:53:54 2010
From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?4KWlIOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyDgpaUg?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 16:38:54 +0545
Subject: [BangPypers] [x-post] weekly python dojo meetups @bangalore.
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimY6KeWHcQ6FN8v9_aCB5c3fm7dJuGzKT4oFNEh@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimY6KeWHcQ6FN8v9_aCB5c3fm7dJuGzKT4oFNEh@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=XU0vZ5nDr66AKP6xrf5hw+u0opvpnZ8ukhPPO@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 10:46, ? ?????? ? <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:
> WHERE: The Centre for Internet and Society[3][4] (<--google map link)
> No. 194, 2nd 'C' Cross, Domlur 2nd Stage, Bangalore 560 071

The full address is
No. 194, 2nd 'C' Cross,
4th Main
Domlur 2nd Stage
Opposite to Domlur Club   [<== a well-known landmark if you cant find
the office[0]]
Bangalore 560 071
Karnataka

[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Bangalore/Bangalore21#Getting_there

> WHEN: 7pm-8pm every Friday. We start from next week, 08Oct2010.

Just a heads up to say I wont be able to make it this week (but plan
to attend on Oct22). Folks planning to attend on Oct15, are requested
to inform the CIS staff - Royson or Ajoy (both are CC'd) as a courtesy
-- Last week Royson went out of his way to keep the office open
(office hours are 9-5 and we meet at 7pm) and provide us with
refreshments.

Thanks,
-- 
Regards,
vid ? http://svaksha.com

From gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com  Thu Oct 14 15:31:41 2010
From: gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com (Gopalakrishnan Subramani)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 19:01:41 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python coaching classes
In-Reply-To: <1287047792.2238.77.camel@localhost>
References: <AANLkTi=GqCp1zbeg_fTtbRnG=ZiBAfOr8MgwzfOmFtNQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<1286866788.2191.58.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTinAi=_zPpfTzf15CyQiy=Ud59OBU2dv5K19c1vF@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949528.2238.2.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=9V_=jjfpQv_65S=nngXfv3-UhnaMhVpo_6abU@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949905.2238.5.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=UQOKk+PcAnrfT2LE4T-iGfo=j8FGsWOcLjgvF@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287032124.2238.17.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTik_aYW0qRm27LEeHftAtLOQYx=Y-GK8oRmov2T5@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287047792.2238.77.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinRxPDYfwRU7+98m-W8gJg1fF3ssgi_zJ4txJh4@mail.gmail.com>

This list may not be advanced python list for many people. Highly
subjective..No arguments!!
I am occasional python programmer learning and exploring Pylons and other
python stuffs for web development.

1. What is really Pythonista + how to become one
2. Generator + iterator
3. Decorators
4. using iPython shell
5. Debugging python applications
6. Python meta class features
7. Boost.Python (Boost Python C++ interface)

Regards,

Krish


4. On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves  <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 14:43 +0530, Gopalakrishnan Subramani wrote:
> > I would be interested as trainee for advanced python courses.
>
> and if you do not mind - could you specify what you expect from an
> 'advanced python course'?
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From abpillai at gmail.com  Thu Oct 14 15:33:16 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 19:03:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python-yql error
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimRb8WLmL=oX6t=No0U9CL6WO6biVv3QA2t+nih@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimRb8WLmL=oX6t=No0U9CL6WO6biVv3QA2t+nih@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimDPFqjuj=DSBOZS=j7iqGARA6jTG_xA6-2b9Xj@mail.gmail.com>

Runs fine for me.

Python 2.7 (r27:82500, Oct  8 2010, 14:07:56)
[GCC 4.1.2 20070626 (Red Hat 4.1.2-14)] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import yql
>>> y = yql.Public()
>>> y.execute('select * from flickr.photos.search where text="panda" limit
3')
<yql.YQLObj object at 0xb7b50f8c>
>>>

Btw, the traceback seems to indicate you have installed httplib2
on top of the standard httplib which comes with Python.


   1. /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/httplib2/__init__.pyc in connect(self
   )
   2.     734             sock = socket.socket(socket.AF_INET, socket.
   SOCK_STREAM)
   3.     735         if self.timeout is not None:
   4. --> 736             sock.settimeout(self.timeout)
   5.     737         sock.connect((self.host, self.port))
   6.     738         ssl = socket.ssl(sock, self.key_file, self.cert_file)

Try removing httplib2 and see if it works.

--Anand


On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 8:53 PM, JAGANADH G <jaganadhg at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear All
> I was trying to run the following code
>
> >>> import yql
> >>> y = yql.Public()
> >>> query = 'select * from flickr.photos.search where text="panda" limit
> 3';
> >>> result = y.execute(query)
>
> When i execute the fourth line I am getting the error
> http://pastebin.com/HryAZVEA .
> Any clue how to resolve this.
>
> --
> **********************************
> JAGANADH G
> http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
--Anand

From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Oct 14 16:00:57 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 19:30:57 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python coaching classes
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinRxPDYfwRU7+98m-W8gJg1fF3ssgi_zJ4txJh4@mail.gmail.com>
	(Gopalakrishnan Subramani's message of "Thu, 14 Oct 2010 19:01:41
	+0530")
References: <AANLkTi=GqCp1zbeg_fTtbRnG=ZiBAfOr8MgwzfOmFtNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikw_fTF2-zzE57-ZdYsP4L0U2rtFhvBRntdFFch@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286866788.2191.58.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTinAi=_zPpfTzf15CyQiy=Ud59OBU2dv5K19c1vF@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949528.2238.2.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=9V_=jjfpQv_65S=nngXfv3-UhnaMhVpo_6abU@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949905.2238.5.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=UQOKk+PcAnrfT2LE4T-iGfo=j8FGsWOcLjgvF@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287032124.2238.17.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTik_aYW0qRm27LEeHftAtLOQYx=Y-GK8oRmov2T5@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287047792.2238.77.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTinRxPDYfwRU7+98m-W8gJg1fF3ssgi_zJ4txJh4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87pqvcdgbq.fsf@gmail.com>


I am preparing a tutorial on extending Python. I'm planning to cover
vanilla C extensions (which is CPython specific) and ctypes (which
should atleast in theory work for other implementations as well). Mostly
a hands on thing to help people wrap C libraries.

There are holes in my plan so I'm not talking any more about it but I do
plan to hold a tutorial on this in late November or so. It'll probably
be two days long. I'll mention it over here on this list and the usual
places.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in


From abpillai at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 10:55:17 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:25:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python coaching classes
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinRxPDYfwRU7+98m-W8gJg1fF3ssgi_zJ4txJh4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=GqCp1zbeg_fTtbRnG=ZiBAfOr8MgwzfOmFtNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikw_fTF2-zzE57-ZdYsP4L0U2rtFhvBRntdFFch@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286866788.2191.58.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTinAi=_zPpfTzf15CyQiy=Ud59OBU2dv5K19c1vF@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949528.2238.2.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=9V_=jjfpQv_65S=nngXfv3-UhnaMhVpo_6abU@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949905.2238.5.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=UQOKk+PcAnrfT2LE4T-iGfo=j8FGsWOcLjgvF@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287032124.2238.17.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTik_aYW0qRm27LEeHftAtLOQYx=Y-GK8oRmov2T5@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287047792.2238.77.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTinRxPDYfwRU7+98m-W8gJg1fF3ssgi_zJ4txJh4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinh-3S9ByfrQkPko4AvNo4goJchd2P156FeRT_D@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Gopalakrishnan Subramani <
gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com> wrote:

> This list may not be advanced python list for many people. Highly
> subjective..No arguments!!
> I am occasional python programmer learning and exploring Pylons and other
> python stuffs for web development.
>
> 1. What is really Pythonista + how to become one
> 2. Generator + iterator
> 3. Decorators
> 4. using iPython shell
> 5. Debugging python applications
> 6. Python meta class features
> 7. Boost.Python (Boost Python C++ interface)
>
> Regards,
>
> Krish
>
>
I am thinking of organizing discussion "classes" on some of these topics
on week-ends in BangPyper meetings. My topic of interests are in
meta-programming, generators and extending Python.

Of course these won't be formal "tutorials" or anything but more
like a general "talkfest" kind of thing where 1 or 2 people with
the gyan takes lead in taking a topic and dissecting it in front
of the audience. But the audience I have in mind are not newbies
to these topics but have at least an idea of what is being discussed.

I will keep the list posted on my plans.

--Anand

From rmathews at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 11:18:26 2010
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:48:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python coaching classes
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinh-3S9ByfrQkPko4AvNo4goJchd2P156FeRT_D@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=GqCp1zbeg_fTtbRnG=ZiBAfOr8MgwzfOmFtNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikw_fTF2-zzE57-ZdYsP4L0U2rtFhvBRntdFFch@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286866788.2191.58.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTinAi=_zPpfTzf15CyQiy=Ud59OBU2dv5K19c1vF@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949528.2238.2.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=9V_=jjfpQv_65S=nngXfv3-UhnaMhVpo_6abU@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949905.2238.5.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=UQOKk+PcAnrfT2LE4T-iGfo=j8FGsWOcLjgvF@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287032124.2238.17.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTik_aYW0qRm27LEeHftAtLOQYx=Y-GK8oRmov2T5@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287047792.2238.77.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTinRxPDYfwRU7+98m-W8gJg1fF3ssgi_zJ4txJh4@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinh-3S9ByfrQkPko4AvNo4goJchd2P156FeRT_D@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik9eACu-6+A36mLr1sg0GeQi88exeU7otQdc2BS@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 14:25, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am thinking of organizing discussion "classes" on some of these topics
> on week-ends in BangPyper meetings. My topic of interests are in
> meta-programming, generators and extending Python.
>
Sure, this is BangPypers, but does anybody have similar plans in Chennai?

-- 
http://roshan.mathews.in/

From harsha.mukkera at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 17:35:21 2010
From: harsha.mukkera at gmail.com (mukkera harsha)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:35:21 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] TypeError: problem (was: Python coaching classes)
In-Reply-To: <20101014053216.GC2064@remy>
References: <1286866788.2191.58.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTinAi=_zPpfTzf15CyQiy=Ud59OBU2dv5K19c1vF@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949528.2238.2.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=9V_=jjfpQv_65S=nngXfv3-UhnaMhVpo_6abU@mail.gmail.com>
	<1286949905.2238.5.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTimHuxzzBfUnVDg89rzm2i55na79OK6b4tooKcLZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<87mxqidx1k.fsf_-_@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinWewqd0MUMtCgH8QQ9FwRQOvTumWRMrjTmFD7c@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287032186.2238.22.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTikmpmRGnB+5xg5G7aDfPRFu3PAqbj1+fuA1YseT@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101014053216.GC2064@remy>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=AyeM_9de19jXOGA1Sv+TW1ZC9saxcczG0z3x7@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I want to know , how Soaplib automatically handle the soap xml envelope for
you and automatically turn the argument into an object of type Subworkflow.
--------------------------------------------
class Subworkflow(ClassSerializer):
        class types:
                subworkflowid = String
                filenames = Array(String)
                filedata = Array(String)
                for i in filedata:
                        base64.decode(i, open(filenames[i],"w"))

---------------------------------------------------
I know that I dint code it properly, But I am not getting any idea of how to
do that. I am a newbie.

Here Subworkflow is the class I defined. It is a tiny class that has 3
identifiers.

Subworkflowid, filenames, filedata.

I am NOT passing in raw arguments to your function, I am passing in an
actual
Subworkflow object... that soaplib will have already automatically
constructed for me.

And for each element in the filedata, I have to base64_decode it.

I am using soaplib as SOAP server and SUDS as soap client.

Your help  be greatly appreciated.

From harsha.mukkera at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 17:34:31 2010
From: harsha.mukkera at gmail.com (mukkera harsha)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:34:31 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] [x-post] weekly python dojo meetups @bangalore.
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=XU0vZ5nDr66AKP6xrf5hw+u0opvpnZ8ukhPPO@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimY6KeWHcQ6FN8v9_aCB5c3fm7dJuGzKT4oFNEh@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=XU0vZ5nDr66AKP6xrf5hw+u0opvpnZ8ukhPPO@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimBArBvGYZ=Ad0gv5X7_RrQ53TH0xCuk-C8oxb1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I want to know , how Soaplib automatically handle the soap xml envelope for
us and automatically turn the argument into an object of type Subworkflow.
--------------------------------------------
class Subworkflow(ClassSerializer):
        class types:
                subworkflowid = String
                filenames = Array(String)
                filedata = Array(String)
                for i in filedata:
                        base64.decode(i, open(filenames[i],"w"))

---------------------------------------------------
I know that I dint code it properly, But I am not getting any idea of how to
do that. I am a newbie.

Here Subworkflow is the class I defined. It is a tiny class that has 3
identifiers.

Subworkflowid, filenames, filedata.

I am NOT passing in raw arguments to your function, I am passing in an
actual
Subworkflow object... that soaplib will have already automatically
constructed for me.

And for each element in the filedata, I have to base64_decode it.

I am using soaplib as SOAP server and SUDS as soap client.

Your help  will be greatly appreciated.

>
>

-- 
Harshavardhan Reddy Mukkera.

From harsha.mukkera at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 17:34:31 2010
From: harsha.mukkera at gmail.com (mukkera harsha)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:34:31 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] [x-post] weekly python dojo meetups @bangalore.
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=XU0vZ5nDr66AKP6xrf5hw+u0opvpnZ8ukhPPO@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimY6KeWHcQ6FN8v9_aCB5c3fm7dJuGzKT4oFNEh@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=XU0vZ5nDr66AKP6xrf5hw+u0opvpnZ8ukhPPO@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimBArBvGYZ=Ad0gv5X7_RrQ53TH0xCuk-C8oxb1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I want to know , how Soaplib automatically handle the soap xml envelope for
us and automatically turn the argument into an object of type Subworkflow.
--------------------------------------------
class Subworkflow(ClassSerializer):
        class types:
                subworkflowid = String
                filenames = Array(String)
                filedata = Array(String)
                for i in filedata:
                        base64.decode(i, open(filenames[i],"w"))

---------------------------------------------------
I know that I dint code it properly, But I am not getting any idea of how to
do that. I am a newbie.

Here Subworkflow is the class I defined. It is a tiny class that has 3
identifiers.

Subworkflowid, filenames, filedata.

I am NOT passing in raw arguments to your function, I am passing in an
actual
Subworkflow object... that soaplib will have already automatically
constructed for me.

And for each element in the filedata, I have to base64_decode it.

I am using soaplib as SOAP server and SUDS as soap client.

Your help  will be greatly appreciated.

>
>

-- 
Harshavardhan Reddy Mukkera.

From jaganadhg at gmail.com  Sat Oct 16 10:59:37 2010
From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 14:29:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python-yql error
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimDPFqjuj=DSBOZS=j7iqGARA6jTG_xA6-2b9Xj@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimRb8WLmL=oX6t=No0U9CL6WO6biVv3QA2t+nih@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimDPFqjuj=DSBOZS=j7iqGARA6jTG_xA6-2b9Xj@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=-3axSgh06Am+8nW3a7GCKxRFV2cSsCiinY=xs@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

> Runs fine for me.
>
> Python 2.7 (r27:82500, Oct  8 2010, 14:07:56)
> [GCC 4.1.2 20070626 (Red Hat 4.1.2-14)] on linux2
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> >>> import yql
> >>> y = yql.Public()
> >>> y.execute('select * from flickr.photos.search where text="panda" limit
> 3')
> <yql.YQLObj object at 0xb7b50f8c>
> >>>
>
> Btw, the traceback seems to indicate you have installed httplib2
> on top of the standard httplib which comes with Python.
>
>
>   1. /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/httplib2/__init__.pyc in connect(self
>   )
>   2.     734             sock = socket.socket(socket.AF_INET, socket.
>   SOCK_STREAM)
>   3.     735         if self.timeout is not None:
>   4. --> 736             sock.settimeout(self.timeout)
>   5.     737         sock.connect((self.host, self.port))
>   6.     738         ssl = socket.ssl(sock, self.key_file, self.cert_file)
>
> Try removing httplib2 and see if it works.
>
>
I removed the httplib2. Now I am getting this error
In [1]: import yql
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
ImportError                               Traceback (most recent call last)

/home/jaganadhg/Desktop/music/<ipython console> in <module>()

/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/yql-0.4-py2.6.egg/yql/__init__.py in
<module>()
     25 from urlparse import urlparse
     26 from urllib import urlencode
---> 27 from httplib2 import Http
     28
     29 from yql.utils import get_http_method

ImportError: No module named httplib2

In [2]:



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**********************************
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From jaganadhg at gmail.com  Sat Oct 16 11:03:05 2010
From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 14:33:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python-yql error
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=-3axSgh06Am+8nW3a7GCKxRFV2cSsCiinY=xs@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimRb8WLmL=oX6t=No0U9CL6WO6biVv3QA2t+nih@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimDPFqjuj=DSBOZS=j7iqGARA6jTG_xA6-2b9Xj@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=-3axSgh06Am+8nW3a7GCKxRFV2cSsCiinY=xs@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikK0p7zzcJ-AGv4fkffvNdrtm6--zRgvTLcfYiW@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 2:29 PM, JAGANADH G <jaganadhg at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
> abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Runs fine for me.
>>
>> Python 2.7 (r27:82500, Oct  8 2010, 14:07:56)
>> [GCC 4.1.2 20070626 (Red Hat 4.1.2-14)] on linux2
>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>> >>> import yql
>> >>> y = yql.Public()
>> >>> y.execute('select * from flickr.photos.search where text="panda" limit
>> 3')
>> <yql.YQLObj object at 0xb7b50f8c>
>> >>>
>>
>> Btw, the traceback seems to indicate you have installed httplib2
>> on top of the standard httplib which comes with Python.
>>
>>
>>   1. /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/httplib2/__init__.pyc in
>> connect(self
>>   )
>>   2.     734             sock = socket.socket(socket.AF_INET, socket.
>>   SOCK_STREAM)
>>   3.     735         if self.timeout is not None:
>>   4. --> 736             sock.settimeout(self.timeout)
>>   5.     737         sock.connect((self.host, self.port))
>>   6.     738         ssl = socket.ssl(sock, self.key_file, self.cert_file)
>>
>> Try removing httplib2 and see if it works.
>>
>>
> I removed the httplib2. Now I am getting this error
> In [1]: import yql
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ImportError                               Traceback (most recent call last)
>
> /home/jaganadhg/Desktop/music/<ipython console> in <module>()
>
> /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/yql-0.4-py2.6.egg/yql/__init__.py in
> <module>()
>      25 from urlparse import urlparse
>      26 from urllib import urlencode
> ---> 27 from httplib2 import Http
>      28
>      29 from yql.utils import get_http_method
>
> ImportError: No module named httplib2
>
> In [2]:
>
>

After removing http lib once again I installed python-yql . Then I tried the
same example. Any how the error changed to
In [4]: y.execute('select * from flickr.photos.search where text="panda"
limit=3')
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
YQLError                                  Traceback (most recent call last)

/home/jaganadhg/Desktop/music/<ipython console> in <module>()

/usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/yql-0.4-py2.6.egg/yql/__init__.pyc in
execute(self, query, params, **kwargs)
    223             return YQLObj(json.loads(content))
    224         else:
--> 225             raise YQLError, (resp, content)
    226
    227

YQLError: ({'status': '400', 'transfer-encoding': 'chunked', 'age': '0',
'vary': 'Accept-Encoding', 'server': 'YTS/1.17.21', 'connection':
'keep-alive', 'cache-control': 'private', 'date': 'Sat, 16 Oct 2010 09:01:12
GMT', 'p3p': 'policyref="http://info.yahoo.com/w3c/p3p.xml", CP="CAO DSP COR
CUR ADM DEV TAI PSA PSD IVAi IVDi CONi TELo OTPi OUR DELi SAMi OTRi UNRi
PUBi IND PHY ONL UNI PUR FIN COM NAV INT DEM CNT STA POL HEA PRE LOC GOV"',
'content-type': 'application/json;charset=utf-8',
'access-control-allow-origin': '*'},
'{"error":{"lang":"en-US","description":"Syntax error(s) [line 1:59
expecting limit got \'=\']"}}')



-- 
**********************************
JAGANADH G
http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog

From jaganadhg at gmail.com  Sat Oct 16 11:10:45 2010
From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 14:40:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python-yql error #solved
Message-ID: <AANLkTim5sR93wTo+otAcJ6QLCJ-OX_dxpAkVagOgHpTb@mail.gmail.com>

Finally the issue solved.
Removed the old httplib2. The once again I did python setup.py install for
python-yql. It downloaded the lated httplib2.
And finally python-yql got working . Thanks Anand for the help

-- 
**********************************
JAGANADH G
http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Sun Oct 17 18:51:27 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 22:21:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python-yql error
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikK0p7zzcJ-AGv4fkffvNdrtm6--zRgvTLcfYiW@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimRb8WLmL=oX6t=No0U9CL6WO6biVv3QA2t+nih@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimDPFqjuj=DSBOZS=j7iqGARA6jTG_xA6-2b9Xj@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=-3axSgh06Am+8nW3a7GCKxRFV2cSsCiinY=xs@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikK0p7zzcJ-AGv4fkffvNdrtm6--zRgvTLcfYiW@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101017165127.GA6202@remy>

On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 02:33:05PM +0530, JAGANADH G wrote:
> >> >>> y.execute('select * from flickr.photos.search where text="panda" limit
> >> 3')
> '{"error":{"lang":"en-US","description":"Syntax error(s) [line 1:59
> expecting limit got \'=\']"}}')

Just listen to this error message. It says it was expecting limit but
it got something else.


-- 
Senthil

From jaganadhg at gmail.com  Sun Oct 17 18:58:29 2010
From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 22:28:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python-yql error
In-Reply-To: <20101017165127.GA6202@remy>
References: <AANLkTimRb8WLmL=oX6t=No0U9CL6WO6biVv3QA2t+nih@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimDPFqjuj=DSBOZS=j7iqGARA6jTG_xA6-2b9Xj@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=-3axSgh06Am+8nW3a7GCKxRFV2cSsCiinY=xs@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikK0p7zzcJ-AGv4fkffvNdrtm6--zRgvTLcfYiW@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101017165127.GA6202@remy>
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On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 10:21 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 02:33:05PM +0530, JAGANADH G wrote:
> > >> >>> y.execute('select * from flickr.photos.search where text="panda"
> limit
> > >> 3')
> > '{"error":{"lang":"en-US","description":"Syntax error(s) [line 1:59
> > expecting limit got \'=\']"}}')
>
> Just listen to this error message. It says it was expecting limit but
> it got something else.
>


ya . I got it . Now working fine
-- 
**********************************
JAGANADH G
http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Mon Oct 18 13:30:32 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:00:32 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] how to read remote uploads
Message-ID: <1287401432.2030.186.camel@localhost>

hi,
I have a gps device which sends it's position to a any web url. I want
to catch this info which I will send to a port (say 9000). How do I do
this in python - something totally new for me, so please give some clues
on where to begin.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From santrajan at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 13:40:02 2010
From: santrajan at gmail.com (Santosh Rajan)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:10:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] how to read remote uploads
In-Reply-To: <1287401432.2030.186.camel@localhost>
References: <1287401432.2030.186.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi==W3X6+i9hU03aAB=LoGjZYVRvWY78z_6cQBDb@mail.gmail.com>

If i understood this correctly you specify the web url for the gps device
right? Why not set the port in the url itself like
http://example.com:9000/.....
So the gps sends directly to port 9000 and you have a web server listening
on that port.
Or have i missed something?

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> hi,
> I have a gps device which sends it's position to a any web url. I want
> to catch this info which I will send to a port (say 9000). How do I do
> this in python - something totally new for me, so please give some clues
> on where to begin.
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Mon Oct 18 13:54:05 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:24:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] how to read remote uploads
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi==W3X6+i9hU03aAB=LoGjZYVRvWY78z_6cQBDb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1287401432.2030.186.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi==W3X6+i9hU03aAB=LoGjZYVRvWY78z_6cQBDb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1287402845.2030.191.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2010-10-18 at 17:10 +0530, Santosh Rajan wrote:
> If i understood this correctly you specify the web url for the gps
> device
> right? Why not set the port in the url itself like
> http://example.com:9000/.....

I have done that
> So the gps sends directly to port 9000 and you have a web server
> listening
> on that port.
> Or have i missed something? 

the gps program sends the info with a php url - I need to collect the
info and massage it before sending it to the webserver for display. So I
need a small python program to listen on that port and collect whatever
comes (is it socket programming or something like that?)
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 14:11:27 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:41:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] how to read remote uploads
In-Reply-To: <1287402845.2030.191.camel@localhost> (Kenneth Gonsalves's
	message of "Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:24:05 +0530")
References: <1287401432.2030.186.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi==W3X6+i9hU03aAB=LoGjZYVRvWY78z_6cQBDb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287402845.2030.191.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <87tykj8zv4.fsf@gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 18 2010, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:


[...]

> the gps program sends the info with a php url - I need to collect the
> info and massage it before sending it to the webserver for display. So
> I need a small python program to listen on that port and collect
> whatever comes (is it socket programming or something like that?)

>From your description, it sounds like a you need a simple program that
listens on this port which will accept anything that comes in, process
it and then send it to your actual web application. So, yes. this is a
program that uses a socket.

This is a simple proxy that will listen on a local port and then use
some HTTP client library to send it to the web application.

The pages in the Python docs which discuss 'SocketServer' has a small
example which you can alter to suit your needs I think.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Mon Oct 18 14:13:51 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 17:43:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] how to read remote uploads
In-Reply-To: <87tykj8zv4.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <1287401432.2030.186.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi==W3X6+i9hU03aAB=LoGjZYVRvWY78z_6cQBDb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287402845.2030.191.camel@localhost>  <87tykj8zv4.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1287404031.2030.193.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2010-10-18 at 17:41 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> >From your description, it sounds like a you need a simple program
> that
> listens on this port which will accept anything that comes in, process
> it and then send it to your actual web application. So, yes. this is a
> program that uses a socket.
> 
> This is a simple proxy that will listen on a local port and then use
> some HTTP client library to send it to the web application.
> 
> The pages in the Python docs which discuss 'SocketServer' has a small
> example which you can alter to suit your needs I think. 

thanks - will try it out
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From abpillai at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 14:31:10 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:01:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] how to read remote uploads
In-Reply-To: <1287404031.2030.193.camel@localhost>
References: <1287401432.2030.186.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi==W3X6+i9hU03aAB=LoGjZYVRvWY78z_6cQBDb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287402845.2030.191.camel@localhost> <87tykj8zv4.fsf@gmail.com>
	<1287404031.2030.193.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin1cKGnmreTV4SuX0WZ7RfC-0TzZhMHOA+rDbSE@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Mon, 2010-10-18 at 17:41 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> > >From your description, it sounds like a you need a simple program
> > that
> > listens on this port which will accept anything that comes in, process
> > it and then send it to your actual web application. So, yes. this is a
> > program that uses a socket.
> >
> > This is a simple proxy that will listen on a local port and then use
> > some HTTP client library to send it to the web application.
> >
> > The pages in the Python docs which discuss 'SocketServer' has a small
> > example which you can alter to suit your needs I think.
>
> thanks - will try it out
>

Or just use tcpdump as

$ sudo tcpdump  -A 'port 9000'

on the machine where you want to capture the data.


> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 14:51:23 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:21:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] how to read remote uploads
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin1cKGnmreTV4SuX0WZ7RfC-0TzZhMHOA+rDbSE@mail.gmail.com>
	(Anand Balachandran Pillai's message of "Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:01:10
	+0530")
References: <1287401432.2030.186.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi==W3X6+i9hU03aAB=LoGjZYVRvWY78z_6cQBDb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287402845.2030.191.camel@localhost> <87tykj8zv4.fsf@gmail.com>
	<1287404031.2030.193.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTin1cKGnmreTV4SuX0WZ7RfC-0TzZhMHOA+rDbSE@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87d3r78y0k.fsf@gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 18 2010, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:


[...]

> Or just use tcpdump as
>
> $ sudo tcpdump  -A 'port 9000'
>
> on the machine where you want to capture the data.

[...]

I've not used tcpdump but wouldn't this give you a TCP packet level
dump? Would not netcat (netcat -l 9000) be more appropriate for textual
data (which is, I assume, what the GPS device sends out).



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From abpillai at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 14:53:47 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:23:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] how to read remote uploads
In-Reply-To: <87d3r78y0k.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <1287401432.2030.186.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi==W3X6+i9hU03aAB=LoGjZYVRvWY78z_6cQBDb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287402845.2030.191.camel@localhost> <87tykj8zv4.fsf@gmail.com>
	<1287404031.2030.193.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTin1cKGnmreTV4SuX0WZ7RfC-0TzZhMHOA+rDbSE@mail.gmail.com>
	<87d3r78y0k.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi==CpL9FpYpPK85rN0ru2dUjObDY+Wff=0i7ahH@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 18 2010, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
>
>
> [...]
>
> > Or just use tcpdump as
> >
> > $ sudo tcpdump  -A 'port 9000'
> >
> > on the machine where you want to capture the data.
>
> [...]
>
> I've not used tcpdump but wouldn't this give you a TCP packet level
> dump? Would not netcat (netcat -l 9000) be more appropriate for textual
> data (which is, I assume, what the GPS device sends out).
>
> -A gives you a (ascii) text dump, which is pretty useful for capturing HTML
pages for example. This works very well for quick captures to debug
your local web server for example.


>
>
> --
> ~noufal
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From venkat83 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 19 07:18:40 2010
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:48:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: [Ilugc] [OT] Free E-Book For Programming Blender
	in Python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikuz6ALbXfgoXMpqmU=XBPyDn8dCX5X1YDmL8yA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinydieu1tft_GcLM-BCuD2xEjgAe87-VwhrVDyL@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikuz6ALbXfgoXMpqmU=XBPyDn8dCX5X1YDmL8yA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimEH8puyPuR6kvcS5+PNnmrrfx4nu3L=X=L_s+Z@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tha.Suresh <jemenisuresh at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:46 AM
Subject: [Ilugc] [OT] Free E-Book For Programming Blender in Python
To: ILUG-C <ilugc at ae.iitm.ac.in>, KanchiLug <kanchilug at freelists.org>


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: S. (Sam) Kritikos <foomedia at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 4:11 AM
Subject: [LUG at IITD:9997] Free E-Book For Programming Blender in Python
To: Public Software Mailing List <pubsoft at elists.isoc.org>,
iitdlug at googlegroups.com


Folks, something of interest:

Free E-Book For Programming Blender in Python
http://www.geeks3d.com/20101006/python-free-e-book-for-programming-blender-in-python/

It is a 74p PDF file of code listings + source

Regards
S. (Sam) Kritikos

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From ataulla at gmail.com  Tue Oct 19 12:22:09 2010
From: ataulla at gmail.com (Ataulla S H)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 15:52:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] how to set up WSGI with pylons 1.0 and soaplib
	1.0.0beta8
Message-ID: <AANLkTimK-QF7MVTF7VOmCPmNFqy5Hi6NwK-PbRE7WxvW@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,

 I am facing problem to setup webservice contoller in pylons using
soaplib 1.0.0 beta8.
anybody is having snippet to setup webservice with soaplib 1.0.0?

Thanks in advance

Ataulla SH

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 20 07:17:15 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:47:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
Message-ID: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>

hi,

I am looking for a task tracker/issue manager for a project that is
commencing. It is not a software project as such but something more
comprehensive. I have used trac in the past - was wondering if there are
any new sophisticated apps around for this?
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC


From nigelbabu at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 07:19:31 2010
From: nigelbabu at gmail.com (Nigel Babu)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:49:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=SZvJh3fDvEWZWcL1h_=UtBausbRcbR-VrOsxd@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> hi,
>
> I am looking for a task tracker/issue manager for a project that is
> commencing. It is not a software project as such but something more
> comprehensive. I have used trac in the past - was wondering if there are
> any new sophisticated apps around for this?
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Associate
> NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

Hi Kenneth,

Have you tried Redmine?  Its built on ruby and I was recommended it multiple
times.  Not sure how good it is though.

Warm Regards
Nigel Babu

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 20 07:22:21 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:52:21 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=SZvJh3fDvEWZWcL1h_=UtBausbRcbR-VrOsxd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=SZvJh3fDvEWZWcL1h_=UtBausbRcbR-VrOsxd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1287552141.2261.30.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 10:49 +0530, Nigel Babu wrote:
> Have you tried Redmine?  Its built on ruby and I was recommended it
> multiple
> times.  Not sure how good it is though. 

heard good things about it - but as you said it is built on Ruby - I
want python.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC


From thesujit at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 07:30:56 2010
From: thesujit at gmail.com (Sujit Ghosal)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:00:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <1287552141.2261.30.camel@localhost>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=SZvJh3fDvEWZWcL1h_=UtBausbRcbR-VrOsxd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287552141.2261.30.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin=jhJPftvqWYoUJngu7ogHTfiGt8pGPW3aUh=u@mail.gmail.com>

I think you can give a try to "Trac" once.

- Sujit

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 10:49 +0530, Nigel Babu wrote:
> > Have you tried Redmine?  Its built on ruby and I was recommended it
> > multiple
> > times.  Not sure how good it is though.
>
> heard good things about it - but as you said it is built on Ruby - I
> want python.
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Associate
> NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From umar43 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 07:38:07 2010
From: umar43 at gmail.com (Umar Shah)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:08:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin=jhJPftvqWYoUJngu7ogHTfiGt8pGPW3aUh=u@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=SZvJh3fDvEWZWcL1h_=UtBausbRcbR-VrOsxd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287552141.2261.30.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTin=jhJPftvqWYoUJngu7ogHTfiGt8pGPW3aUh=u@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimPmjk7ewG3MFUpcamH_mPUPzxsF_+iKSvL1ju2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

With the customization that trac offers by way of plugins, I am sure you
will find all your requirements fulfilled.


Umar

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Sujit Ghosal <thesujit at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think you can give a try to "Trac" once.
>
> - Sujit
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org
> >wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 10:49 +0530, Nigel Babu wrote:
> > > Have you tried Redmine?  Its built on ruby and I was recommended it
> > > multiple
> > > times.  Not sure how good it is though.
> >
> > heard good things about it - but as you said it is built on Ruby - I
> > want python.
> > --
> > regards
> > Kenneth Gonsalves
> > Senior Associate
> > NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 08:18:31 2010
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:48:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimPmjk7ewG3MFUpcamH_mPUPzxsF_+iKSvL1ju2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=SZvJh3fDvEWZWcL1h_=UtBausbRcbR-VrOsxd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287552141.2261.30.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTin=jhJPftvqWYoUJngu7ogHTfiGt8pGPW3aUh=u@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimPmjk7ewG3MFUpcamH_mPUPzxsF_+iKSvL1ju2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikLzQdZ40Gu5G5AmrDVsYcdchXUKxe-Ebx5R+RD@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Umar Shah <umar43 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> With the customization that trac offers by way of plugins, I am sure you
> will find all your requirements fulfilled.
>
>
> Umar
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Sujit Ghosal <thesujit at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I think you can give a try to "Trac" once.
> >
> > - Sujit
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 10:49 +0530, Nigel Babu wrote:
> > > > Have you tried Redmine?  Its built on ruby and I was recommended it
> > > > multiple
> > > > times.  Not sure how good it is though.
> > >
> > > heard good things about it - but as you said it is built on Ruby - I
> > > want python.Kenneth,
>
> Trac has improved a lot since last year, check 0.12.
>
> I am not sure what your sophesticated requirements are but this serves most
> small team purposes.
>
> I also would like to draw your attention to http://bitbucket.org/. Its
> free for five users.
>
> Ramdas
>


-- 
Ramdas S
+91 9342 583 065

From jaganadhg at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 08:27:26 2010
From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:57:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <1287552141.2261.30.camel@localhost>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=SZvJh3fDvEWZWcL1h_=UtBausbRcbR-VrOsxd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287552141.2261.30.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=LiqzXABTpranyNX7k1oMSpfz=bfMRW=dWSUBu@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 10:49 +0530, Nigel Babu wrote:
> > Have you tried Redmine?  Its built on ruby and I was recommended it
> > multiple
> > times.  Not sure how good it is though.
>
> heard good things about it - but as you said it is built on Ruby - I
> want python.
>
>

Even if it is in Ruby it is good. I am using it to manage my team activities
in my office .
There is a bitnami stack available for Redmine which makes the installation
easy
-- 
**********************************
JAGANADH G
http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 20 08:51:33 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:21:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikLzQdZ40Gu5G5AmrDVsYcdchXUKxe-Ebx5R+RD@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=SZvJh3fDvEWZWcL1h_=UtBausbRcbR-VrOsxd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287552141.2261.30.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTin=jhJPftvqWYoUJngu7ogHTfiGt8pGPW3aUh=u@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimPmjk7ewG3MFUpcamH_mPUPzxsF_+iKSvL1ju2@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikLzQdZ40Gu5G5AmrDVsYcdchXUKxe-Ebx5R+RD@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1287557493.2261.43.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 11:48 +0530, Ramdas S wrote:
> > I also would like to draw your attention to http://bitbucket.org/. 

I had stopped using trac once I shifted to bitbucket - but now there is
a requirement for a private system hosted on our own server.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC


From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 20 08:53:23 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:23:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=LiqzXABTpranyNX7k1oMSpfz=bfMRW=dWSUBu@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=SZvJh3fDvEWZWcL1h_=UtBausbRcbR-VrOsxd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287552141.2261.30.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=LiqzXABTpranyNX7k1oMSpfz=bfMRW=dWSUBu@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1287557603.2261.44.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 11:57 +0530, JAGANADH G wrote:
> > heard good things about it - but as you said it is built on Ruby - I
> > want python.
> >
> >
> 
> Even if it is in Ruby it is good. I am using it to manage my team
> activities
> in my office . 

unfortunately I am a python fanatic ;-)
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC


From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 09:10:28 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:40:28 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=LiqzXABTpranyNX7k1oMSpfz=bfMRW=dWSUBu@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=SZvJh3fDvEWZWcL1h_=UtBausbRcbR-VrOsxd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287552141.2261.30.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=LiqzXABTpranyNX7k1oMSpfz=bfMRW=dWSUBu@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimaRXVC1bgz7FUMaXL7S7EEyZfid1kmhK9yhg3u@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:57 AM, JAGANADH G <jaganadhg at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org
> >wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 10:49 +0530, Nigel Babu wrote:
> > > Have you tried Redmine?  Its built on ruby and I was recommended it
> > > multiple
> > > times.  Not sure how good it is though.
> >
> > heard good things about it - but as you said it is built on Ruby - I
> > want python.
> >
> >
>
> Even if it is in Ruby it is good. I am using it to manage my team
> activities
> in my office .
> There is a bitnami stack available for Redmine which makes the installation
> easy
>

 Blasphemy ! How dare you discuss Ruby in a all-Python list !

 :) :)


> --
> **********************************
> JAGANADH G
> http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
--Anand

From nigelbabu at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 09:29:42 2010
From: nigelbabu at gmail.com (Nigel Babu)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:59:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimaRXVC1bgz7FUMaXL7S7EEyZfid1kmhK9yhg3u@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=SZvJh3fDvEWZWcL1h_=UtBausbRcbR-VrOsxd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287552141.2261.30.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=LiqzXABTpranyNX7k1oMSpfz=bfMRW=dWSUBu@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimaRXVC1bgz7FUMaXL7S7EEyZfid1kmhK9yhg3u@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikB+vkSKopyPvgW1no4T+qrBcm_v=+reKcTJyYk@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:57 AM, JAGANADH G <jaganadhg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 10:49 +0530, Nigel Babu wrote:
> > > > Have you tried Redmine?  Its built on ruby and I was recommended it
> > > > multiple
> > > > times.  Not sure how good it is though.
> > >
> > > heard good things about it - but as you said it is built on Ruby - I
> > > want python.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Even if it is in Ruby it is good. I am using it to manage my team
> > activities
> > in my office .
> > There is a bitnami stack available for Redmine which makes the
> installation
> > easy
> >
>
>  Blasphemy ! How dare you discuss Ruby in a all-Python list !
>
>  :) :)
>
>
> > --
> > **********************************
> > JAGANADH G
> > http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
I plead guilty.  But yeah, I'm looking forward to something other than trac
but built on python too.  I'm still yet to find it and unsure if its worth
the effort.

From lorddaemon at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 09:49:05 2010
From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Dark Seid)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:19:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikB+vkSKopyPvgW1no4T+qrBcm_v=+reKcTJyYk@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=SZvJh3fDvEWZWcL1h_=UtBausbRcbR-VrOsxd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287552141.2261.30.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=LiqzXABTpranyNX7k1oMSpfz=bfMRW=dWSUBu@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimaRXVC1bgz7FUMaXL7S7EEyZfid1kmhK9yhg3u@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikB+vkSKopyPvgW1no4T+qrBcm_v=+reKcTJyYk@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinymDV79QZTy4gwRLS-nNWhVNJstWe7bns72MQ6@mail.gmail.com>

'even if it's on Ruby?' :D

If you're looking for a task manager, I've had extremely good experiences
with Pivotal Tracker (which is hosted and free), so much so that we now even
use it for our recruiting pipeline at C42 Engineering. If I had lots of $$$
to burn I'd use ThoughtWorks' Mingle but hey, who has that kind of cash.

I generally avoid using bugzilla/trac/redmine etc. for what is effectively
project management. They're great at what they do, and a damn pain for
anything else.

Sidu.

> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org

> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 10:49 +0530, Nigel Babu wrote:
> > > > > Have you tried Redmine?  Its built on ruby and I was recommended it
> > > > > multiple
> > > > > times.  Not sure how good it is though.
> > > >
> > > > heard good things about it - but as you said it is built on Ruby - I
> > > > want python.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Even if it is in Ruby it is good. I am using it to manage my team
> > > activities
> > > in my office .
> > > There is a bitnami stack available for Redmine which makes the
> > installation
> > > easy
> > >
> >
> >  Blasphemy ! How dare you discuss Ruby in a all-Python list !
> >
> >  :) :)
> >
> >
> > > --
> > > **********************************
> > > JAGANADH G
> > > http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > >
> >
> >
> I plead guilty.  But yeah, I'm looking forward to something other than trac
> but built on python too.  I'm still yet to find it and unsure if its worth
> the effort.
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From sree at mahiti.org  Wed Oct 20 10:01:12 2010
From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:31:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <1287557603.2261.44.camel@localhost>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=SZvJh3fDvEWZWcL1h_=UtBausbRcbR-VrOsxd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287552141.2261.30.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=LiqzXABTpranyNX7k1oMSpfz=bfMRW=dWSUBu@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287557603.2261.44.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=h6GFmxsyqjC1=0B+hfKu7LpizBw39da1nLPvE@mail.gmail.com>

On 20 October 2010 12:23, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 11:57 +0530, JAGANADH G wrote:
> > > heard good things about it - but as you said it is built on Ruby - I
> > > want python.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Even if it is in Ruby it is good. I am using it to manage my team
> > activities
> > in my office .
>
> unfortunately I am a python fanatic ;-)
>

http://pinaxproject.com/

This is Django based and if you configure it as intranet tool, it sets up
projects with basic task and issue management.

- sree

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 10:18:45 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:48:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikB+vkSKopyPvgW1no4T+qrBcm_v=+reKcTJyYk@mail.gmail.com>
	(Nigel Babu's message of "Wed, 20 Oct 2010 12:59:42 +0530")
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=SZvJh3fDvEWZWcL1h_=UtBausbRcbR-VrOsxd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287552141.2261.30.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=LiqzXABTpranyNX7k1oMSpfz=bfMRW=dWSUBu@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimaRXVC1bgz7FUMaXL7S7EEyZfid1kmhK9yhg3u@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 20 2010, Nigel Babu wrote:


[...]

> I plead guilty.  But yeah, I'm looking forward to something other than
> trac but built on python too.  I'm still yet to find it and unsure if
> its worth the effort.

[...]

Trac is nice but with things like github, bitbucket etc. out there, it
has taken a bit of a backseat. I have heard lot of "aigle" people using
it with the agilo plugin though.

Redmine started off without repeating some of the mistakes of trac
e.g. multiple project support, multiple SCM integration, web based admin
all of which trac later bolted on as plugins with limited success. I
used redmine for a company whom I consulted for around a year ago and it
was a pleasant experience. Since it's in Ruby, my ability to tweak
plugins and code was limited but it mostly "did what I wanted" quite
well.

If you're looking for a powerful bug/issue tracker, there's
Roundup. It's also written in Python (bugs.python.org uses it). Not very
"user" friendly but nice for developers.

There are a few nice PHP ones (although I imagine that would disqualify
them) - MantisBT and Flyspray. I have some experience with the former
and it's a slightly cleaner Bugzilla. 

Another option is to use Fossil (from the makers of Sqlite). It's an
issue tracker, distributed version control system and personal wiki all
in one tiny C executable. Doesn't need an internal 'server' to work and
so people can collaborate quite nicely. I've toyed it with and found it
nice but haven't really used it for a proper project.

However, both of these are 'mostly' bug trackers or at best software
project management tools. You mentioned that you're looking for
something more general. Would something like a internal wiki work
better?


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 10:37:47 2010
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:07:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=h6GFmxsyqjC1=0B+hfKu7LpizBw39da1nLPvE@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=SZvJh3fDvEWZWcL1h_=UtBausbRcbR-VrOsxd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287552141.2261.30.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=LiqzXABTpranyNX7k1oMSpfz=bfMRW=dWSUBu@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287557603.2261.44.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=h6GFmxsyqjC1=0B+hfKu7LpizBw39da1nLPvE@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=zK-khDKshCAus0JbgGBcN68GOeHL0oOh+Dw=u@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah <sree at mahiti.org>wrote:

> On 20 October 2010 12:23, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 11:57 +0530, JAGANADH G wrote:
> > > > heard good things about it - but as you said it is built on Ruby - I
> > > > want python.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Even if it is in Ruby it is good. I am using it to manage my team
> > > activities
> > > in my office .
> >
> > unfortunately I am a python fanatic ;-)
> >
>
> http://pinaxproject.com/
>
> This is Django based and if you configure it as intranet tool, it sets up
> projects with basic task and issue management
>

yeah its way too basic though

> - sree
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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+91 9342 583 065

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 13:27:52 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:57:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
Message-ID: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>


The project management thread highlighted this issue of "if it's not in
Python, I don't want to use it".

Assuming that most of the people here are mostly python enthusiasts or
learners, I'm wondering when you would *not* use Python. Let's not
conflate this with Open Source/Closed Source etc. 

I'm just interested in situations where you'd stay away from something
*just* because it isn't in Python. The only reason I'd stay away from
something like this is if I needed to work on it's code and it was in a
language that I wasn't familiar with and didn't have the time to learn.

Also, there are plently of situations where I'd jump to a language other
than Python at the outset (e.g. for log file parsing, Perl still wins
for me).

Comments?


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in


From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 20 11:28:40 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:58:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinymDV79QZTy4gwRLS-nNWhVNJstWe7bns72MQ6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=SZvJh3fDvEWZWcL1h_=UtBausbRcbR-VrOsxd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287552141.2261.30.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=LiqzXABTpranyNX7k1oMSpfz=bfMRW=dWSUBu@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimaRXVC1bgz7FUMaXL7S7EEyZfid1kmhK9yhg3u@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikB+vkSKopyPvgW1no4T+qrBcm_v=+reKcTJyYk@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinymDV79QZTy4gwRLS-nNWhVNJstWe7bns72MQ6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1287566920.2261.45.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 13:19 +0530, Dark Seid wrote:
> If you're looking for a task manager, I've had extremely good
> experiences
> with Pivotal Tracker 

agile? I forgot to mention that I suffer from arthritis so cannot do
agile ;-)
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC


From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 20 11:32:40 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:02:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <87fww1xonu.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=SZvJh3fDvEWZWcL1h_=UtBausbRcbR-VrOsxd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287552141.2261.30.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=LiqzXABTpranyNX7k1oMSpfz=bfMRW=dWSUBu@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimaRXVC1bgz7FUMaXL7S7EEyZfid1kmhK9yhg3u@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikB+vkSKopyPvgW1no4T+qrBcm_v=+reKcTJyYk@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 13:48 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> However, both of these are 'mostly' bug trackers or at best software
> project management tools. You mentioned that you're looking for
> something more general. Would something like a internal wiki work
> better? 

it is not software management - and many of the main users are suits -
so something that they can wrap their pointy heads around. I love
bitbucket and have a couple of projects going where the client is very
easily able to give inputs and monitor things - once they grasp the fact
that each issue should have only one issue. Such people are scared of
wikis and invariably mess them up.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC


From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 13:53:40 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:23:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <1287566920.2261.45.camel@localhost>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=SZvJh3fDvEWZWcL1h_=UtBausbRcbR-VrOsxd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287552141.2261.30.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=LiqzXABTpranyNX7k1oMSpfz=bfMRW=dWSUBu@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimaRXVC1bgz7FUMaXL7S7EEyZfid1kmhK9yhg3u@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikB+vkSKopyPvgW1no4T+qrBcm_v=+reKcTJyYk@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinymDV79QZTy4gwRLS-nNWhVNJstWe7bns72MQ6@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287566920.2261.45.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimERLB7_RuCDWzTNFRbywpSwo2i+x2ZKMBuTJ25@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 13:19 +0530, Dark Seid wrote:
> > If you're looking for a task manager, I've had extremely good
> > experiences
> > with Pivotal Tracker
>
> agile? I forgot to mention that I suffer from arthritis so cannot do
> agile ;-)
>

If you don't "feel" agile, just do this before starting to code
on your Python prompt.

>>> import antigravity


> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Associate
> NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
--Anand

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 20 13:54:41 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:24:41 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1287575681.2261.55.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> I'm just interested in situations where you'd stay away from something
> *just* because it isn't in Python. The only reason I'd stay away from
> something like this is if I needed to work on it's code and it was in
> a
> language that I wasn't familiar with and didn't have the time to
> learn. 

that is why I normally stay away from non-python stuff. My criterion is
simple: if I am going to just use it, I am not bothered about the
language. For example josm for openstreetmap is in java - if it had been
in python I could have customised it for indian languages - but it was
impossible for me to do it in java. But I can live with it (I simply
write the names in tamil in kwrite or something and paste it into the
josm interface). In the current scenario, I will have to do a fair
amount of customisation, and am certainly not going to sit and learn
ruby or whatever for it.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC


From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 13:56:33 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:26:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim4QRhrScL0gB+eL6615_vCqKf8+sYZ2hFCDurq@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> The project management thread highlighted this issue of "if it's not in
> Python, I don't want to use it".
>
> Assuming that most of the people here are mostly python enthusiasts or
> learners, I'm wondering when you would *not* use Python. Let's not
> conflate this with Open Source/Closed Source etc.
>
> I'm just interested in situations where you'd stay away from something
> *just* because it isn't in Python. The only reason I'd stay away from
> something like this is if I needed to work on it's code and it was in a
> language that I wasn't familiar with and didn't have the time to learn.
>
> Also, there are plently of situations where I'd jump to a language other
> than Python at the outset (e.g. for log file parsing, Perl still wins
> for me).
>

 Maybe for "rough" n "dirty" use-once-and-throw parsers, but if you
want to write reusable parser classes, Python can do an amazing
job at it. You should be pretty good at using the "re" module and
if possible have experience writing custom parsers and preferably
burnt your fingers trying to understand the "HTMLParser" module :)

I spent like 2 months in HP developing a log file "reverse" parser
application for finding out software install times from the log files.
All code in Python. I guess (and hope) they still use it there :)




>
> Comments?
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
--Anand

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 20 13:57:14 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:27:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimERLB7_RuCDWzTNFRbywpSwo2i+x2ZKMBuTJ25@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=SZvJh3fDvEWZWcL1h_=UtBausbRcbR-VrOsxd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287552141.2261.30.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=LiqzXABTpranyNX7k1oMSpfz=bfMRW=dWSUBu@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimaRXVC1bgz7FUMaXL7S7EEyZfid1kmhK9yhg3u@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikB+vkSKopyPvgW1no4T+qrBcm_v=+reKcTJyYk@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinymDV79QZTy4gwRLS-nNWhVNJstWe7bns72MQ6@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287566920.2261.45.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTimERLB7_RuCDWzTNFRbywpSwo2i+x2ZKMBuTJ25@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1287575834.2261.56.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 17:23 +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> If you don't "feel" agile, just do this before starting to code
> on your Python prompt.
> 
> >>> import antigravity 

I wish I could do that to my golf ball
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC


From orsenthil at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 13:58:12 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:28:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101020115811.GA20988@remy>

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 04:57:52PM +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> learners, I'm wondering when you would *not* use Python. Let's not

When there is an extreme need for speed for processing large data
sets.
When it is more CPU intensive than Network IO Intensive.
When the libraries and packages available are more mature in other
languages..

These are the situations I would consider other language. For first
and second cases, it would mostly go for C++ and the last case, Java.

-- 
Senthil

Q:	What's the difference between Bell Labs and the Boy Scouts of America?
A:	The Boy Scouts have adult supervision.

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 13:58:23 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:28:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <1287567160.2261.48.camel@localhost> (Kenneth Gonsalves's message
	of "Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:02:40 +0530")
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=SZvJh3fDvEWZWcL1h_=UtBausbRcbR-VrOsxd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287552141.2261.30.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=LiqzXABTpranyNX7k1oMSpfz=bfMRW=dWSUBu@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimaRXVC1bgz7FUMaXL7S7EEyZfid1kmhK9yhg3u@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikB+vkSKopyPvgW1no4T+qrBcm_v=+reKcTJyYk@mail.gmail.com>
	<87fww1xonu.fsf@gmail.com> <1287567160.2261.48.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <87mxq9vzxc.fsf@gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 20 2010, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 13:48 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
>> However, both of these are 'mostly' bug trackers or at best software
>> project management tools. You mentioned that you're looking for
>> something more general. Would something like a internal wiki work
>> better? 
>
> it is not software management - and many of the main users are suits -
> so something that they can wrap their pointy heads around. I love
> bitbucket and have a couple of projects going where the client is very
> easily able to give inputs and monitor things - once they grasp the
> fact that each issue should have only one issue. Such people are
> scared of wikis and invariably mess them up.

Makes sense. It sounds like you just need an issue tracker. I think your
options are limited to roundup and trac. 

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From sudheer.s at sudheer.net  Wed Oct 20 13:52:46 2010
From: sudheer.s at sudheer.net (Sudheer Satyanarayana)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:22:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CBED80E.6070804@sudheer.net>


> I'm just interested in situations where you'd stay away from something
> *just* because it isn't in Python. The only reason I'd stay away from
> something like this is if I needed to work on it's code and it was in a
> language that I wasn't familiar with and didn't have the time to learn.
>
> Also, there are plently of situations where I'd jump to a language other
> than Python at the outset (e.g. for log file parsing, Perl still wins
> for me).
>
> Comments?
>
>    
I agree. As the Perl monks put it, use the right tool for the right job. 
You should know when to stop looking for a programming language specific 
solution.

If you want features found only in Redmine and there's nothing like 
Redmine in Python, just use Redmine. Trying to get something closest to 
Redmine in Python and getting it work like Redmine might not be worth 
it. On the other hand, it might be a good idea to start an open source 
project to build a Redmine clone in Python. Creating something like 
Redmine will take several years. IIRC, the Redmine folks developed it 
for four years before releasing 1.0.

My comments don't imply I'm a Ruby fan.

Regards,
-- 
With warm regards,
Sudheer. S
Personal home page - http://sudheer.net | Tech Chorus - 
http://techchorus.net
Web and IT services - http://binaryvibes.co.in

From sudheer.s at sudheer.net  Wed Oct 20 13:52:46 2010
From: sudheer.s at sudheer.net (Sudheer Satyanarayana)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:22:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CBED80E.6070804@sudheer.net>


> I'm just interested in situations where you'd stay away from something
> *just* because it isn't in Python. The only reason I'd stay away from
> something like this is if I needed to work on it's code and it was in a
> language that I wasn't familiar with and didn't have the time to learn.
>
> Also, there are plently of situations where I'd jump to a language other
> than Python at the outset (e.g. for log file parsing, Perl still wins
> for me).
>
> Comments?
>
>    
I agree. As the Perl monks put it, use the right tool for the right job. 
You should know when to stop looking for a programming language specific 
solution.

If you want features found only in Redmine and there's nothing like 
Redmine in Python, just use Redmine. Trying to get something closest to 
Redmine in Python and getting it work like Redmine might not be worth 
it. On the other hand, it might be a good idea to start an open source 
project to build a Redmine clone in Python. Creating something like 
Redmine will take several years. IIRC, the Redmine folks developed it 
for four years before releasing 1.0.

My comments don't imply I'm a Ruby fan.

Regards,
-- 
With warm regards,
Sudheer. S
Personal home page - http://sudheer.net | Tech Chorus - 
http://techchorus.net
Web and IT services - http://binaryvibes.co.in

From sudheer.s at sudheer.net  Wed Oct 20 13:52:46 2010
From: sudheer.s at sudheer.net (Sudheer Satyanarayana)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:22:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CBED80E.6070804@sudheer.net>


> I'm just interested in situations where you'd stay away from something
> *just* because it isn't in Python. The only reason I'd stay away from
> something like this is if I needed to work on it's code and it was in a
> language that I wasn't familiar with and didn't have the time to learn.
>
> Also, there are plently of situations where I'd jump to a language other
> than Python at the outset (e.g. for log file parsing, Perl still wins
> for me).
>
> Comments?
>
>    
I agree. As the Perl monks put it, use the right tool for the right job. 
You should know when to stop looking for a programming language specific 
solution.

If you want features found only in Redmine and there's nothing like 
Redmine in Python, just use Redmine. Trying to get something closest to 
Redmine in Python and getting it work like Redmine might not be worth 
it. On the other hand, it might be a good idea to start an open source 
project to build a Redmine clone in Python. Creating something like 
Redmine will take several years. IIRC, the Redmine folks developed it 
for four years before releasing 1.0.

My comments don't imply I'm a Ruby fan.

Regards,
-- 
With warm regards,
Sudheer. S
Personal home page - http://sudheer.net | Tech Chorus - 
http://techchorus.net
Web and IT services - http://binaryvibes.co.in

From sudheer.s at sudheer.net  Wed Oct 20 13:52:46 2010
From: sudheer.s at sudheer.net (Sudheer Satyanarayana)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:22:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CBED80E.6070804@sudheer.net>


> I'm just interested in situations where you'd stay away from something
> *just* because it isn't in Python. The only reason I'd stay away from
> something like this is if I needed to work on it's code and it was in a
> language that I wasn't familiar with and didn't have the time to learn.
>
> Also, there are plently of situations where I'd jump to a language other
> than Python at the outset (e.g. for log file parsing, Perl still wins
> for me).
>
> Comments?
>
>    
I agree. As the Perl monks put it, use the right tool for the right job. 
You should know when to stop looking for a programming language specific 
solution.

If you want features found only in Redmine and there's nothing like 
Redmine in Python, just use Redmine. Trying to get something closest to 
Redmine in Python and getting it work like Redmine might not be worth 
it. On the other hand, it might be a good idea to start an open source 
project to build a Redmine clone in Python. Creating something like 
Redmine will take several years. IIRC, the Redmine folks developed it 
for four years before releasing 1.0.

My comments don't imply I'm a Ruby fan.

Regards,
-- 
With warm regards,
Sudheer. S
Personal home page - http://sudheer.net | Tech Chorus - 
http://techchorus.net
Web and IT services - http://binaryvibes.co.in

From sudheer.s at sudheer.net  Wed Oct 20 13:52:46 2010
From: sudheer.s at sudheer.net (Sudheer Satyanarayana)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:22:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CBED80E.6070804@sudheer.net>


> I'm just interested in situations where you'd stay away from something
> *just* because it isn't in Python. The only reason I'd stay away from
> something like this is if I needed to work on it's code and it was in a
> language that I wasn't familiar with and didn't have the time to learn.
>
> Also, there are plently of situations where I'd jump to a language other
> than Python at the outset (e.g. for log file parsing, Perl still wins
> for me).
>
> Comments?
>
>    
I agree. As the Perl monks put it, use the right tool for the right job. 
You should know when to stop looking for a programming language specific 
solution.

If you want features found only in Redmine and there's nothing like 
Redmine in Python, just use Redmine. Trying to get something closest to 
Redmine in Python and getting it work like Redmine might not be worth 
it. On the other hand, it might be a good idea to start an open source 
project to build a Redmine clone in Python. Creating something like 
Redmine will take several years. IIRC, the Redmine folks developed it 
for four years before releasing 1.0.

My comments don't imply I'm a Ruby fan.

Regards,
-- 
With warm regards,
Sudheer. S
Personal home page - http://sudheer.net | Tech Chorus - 
http://techchorus.net
Web and IT services - http://binaryvibes.co.in

From sudheer.s at sudheer.net  Wed Oct 20 13:52:46 2010
From: sudheer.s at sudheer.net (Sudheer Satyanarayana)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:22:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CBED80E.6070804@sudheer.net>


> I'm just interested in situations where you'd stay away from something
> *just* because it isn't in Python. The only reason I'd stay away from
> something like this is if I needed to work on it's code and it was in a
> language that I wasn't familiar with and didn't have the time to learn.
>
> Also, there are plently of situations where I'd jump to a language other
> than Python at the outset (e.g. for log file parsing, Perl still wins
> for me).
>
> Comments?
>
>    
I agree. As the Perl monks put it, use the right tool for the right job. 
You should know when to stop looking for a programming language specific 
solution.

If you want features found only in Redmine and there's nothing like 
Redmine in Python, just use Redmine. Trying to get something closest to 
Redmine in Python and getting it work like Redmine might not be worth 
it. On the other hand, it might be a good idea to start an open source 
project to build a Redmine clone in Python. Creating something like 
Redmine will take several years. IIRC, the Redmine folks developed it 
for four years before releasing 1.0.

My comments don't imply I'm a Ruby fan.

Regards,
-- 
With warm regards,
Sudheer. S
Personal home page - http://sudheer.net | Tech Chorus - 
http://techchorus.net
Web and IT services - http://binaryvibes.co.in

From santrajan at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 14:04:44 2010
From: santrajan at gmail.com (Santosh Rajan)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:34:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=tZj_AVMXQFhGAm=FmCW+vxAe6sCPz4GX-Gpgy@mail.gmail.com>

I have a slightly tangential take on this subject. I do web development and
it is entirely python nowadays. Having said that let me quote Eric Raymond.
*"Lisp is worth learning for the profound enlightenment experience you will
have when you finally get it; that experience will make you a better
programmer for the rest of your days, even if you never actually use Lisp
itself a lot."*

I have learned and use Clojure a dialect of Lisp for some odd jobs just for
this reason.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> The project management thread highlighted this issue of "if it's not in
> Python, I don't want to use it".
>
> Assuming that most of the people here are mostly python enthusiasts or
> learners, I'm wondering when you would *not* use Python. Let's not
> conflate this with Open Source/Closed Source etc.
>
> I'm just interested in situations where you'd stay away from something
> *just* because it isn't in Python. The only reason I'd stay away from
> something like this is if I needed to work on it's code and it was in a
> language that I wasn't familiar with and didn't have the time to learn.
>
> Also, there are plently of situations where I'd jump to a language other
> than Python at the outset (e.g. for log file parsing, Perl still wins
> for me).
>
> Comments?
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
http://hi.im/santosh

From sudheer.s at sudheer.net  Wed Oct 20 13:52:46 2010
From: sudheer.s at sudheer.net (Sudheer Satyanarayana)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:22:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CBED80E.6070804@sudheer.net>


> I'm just interested in situations where you'd stay away from something
> *just* because it isn't in Python. The only reason I'd stay away from
> something like this is if I needed to work on it's code and it was in a
> language that I wasn't familiar with and didn't have the time to learn.
>
> Also, there are plently of situations where I'd jump to a language other
> than Python at the outset (e.g. for log file parsing, Perl still wins
> for me).
>
> Comments?
>
>    
I agree. As the Perl monks put it, use the right tool for the right job. 
You should know when to stop looking for a programming language specific 
solution.

If you want features found only in Redmine and there's nothing like 
Redmine in Python, just use Redmine. Trying to get something closest to 
Redmine in Python and getting it work like Redmine might not be worth 
it. On the other hand, it might be a good idea to start an open source 
project to build a Redmine clone in Python. Creating something like 
Redmine will take several years. IIRC, the Redmine folks developed it 
for four years before releasing 1.0.

My comments don't imply I'm a Ruby fan.

Regards,
-- 
With warm regards,
Sudheer. S
Personal home page - http://sudheer.net | Tech Chorus - 
http://techchorus.net
Web and IT services - http://binaryvibes.co.in

From santrajan at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 14:04:44 2010
From: santrajan at gmail.com (Santosh Rajan)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:34:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=tZj_AVMXQFhGAm=FmCW+vxAe6sCPz4GX-Gpgy@mail.gmail.com>

I have a slightly tangential take on this subject. I do web development and
it is entirely python nowadays. Having said that let me quote Eric Raymond.
*"Lisp is worth learning for the profound enlightenment experience you will
have when you finally get it; that experience will make you a better
programmer for the rest of your days, even if you never actually use Lisp
itself a lot."*

I have learned and use Clojure a dialect of Lisp for some odd jobs just for
this reason.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> The project management thread highlighted this issue of "if it's not in
> Python, I don't want to use it".
>
> Assuming that most of the people here are mostly python enthusiasts or
> learners, I'm wondering when you would *not* use Python. Let's not
> conflate this with Open Source/Closed Source etc.
>
> I'm just interested in situations where you'd stay away from something
> *just* because it isn't in Python. The only reason I'd stay away from
> something like this is if I needed to work on it's code and it was in a
> language that I wasn't familiar with and didn't have the time to learn.
>
> Also, there are plently of situations where I'd jump to a language other
> than Python at the outset (e.g. for log file parsing, Perl still wins
> for me).
>
> Comments?
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
http://hi.im/santosh

From sudheer.s at sudheer.net  Wed Oct 20 13:52:46 2010
From: sudheer.s at sudheer.net (Sudheer Satyanarayana)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:22:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CBED80E.6070804@sudheer.net>


> I'm just interested in situations where you'd stay away from something
> *just* because it isn't in Python. The only reason I'd stay away from
> something like this is if I needed to work on it's code and it was in a
> language that I wasn't familiar with and didn't have the time to learn.
>
> Also, there are plently of situations where I'd jump to a language other
> than Python at the outset (e.g. for log file parsing, Perl still wins
> for me).
>
> Comments?
>
>    
I agree. As the Perl monks put it, use the right tool for the right job. 
You should know when to stop looking for a programming language specific 
solution.

If you want features found only in Redmine and there's nothing like 
Redmine in Python, just use Redmine. Trying to get something closest to 
Redmine in Python and getting it work like Redmine might not be worth 
it. On the other hand, it might be a good idea to start an open source 
project to build a Redmine clone in Python. Creating something like 
Redmine will take several years. IIRC, the Redmine folks developed it 
for four years before releasing 1.0.

My comments don't imply I'm a Ruby fan.

Regards,
-- 
With warm regards,
Sudheer. S
Personal home page - http://sudheer.net | Tech Chorus - 
http://techchorus.net
Web and IT services - http://binaryvibes.co.in

From santrajan at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 14:04:44 2010
From: santrajan at gmail.com (Santosh Rajan)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:34:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=tZj_AVMXQFhGAm=FmCW+vxAe6sCPz4GX-Gpgy@mail.gmail.com>

I have a slightly tangential take on this subject. I do web development and
it is entirely python nowadays. Having said that let me quote Eric Raymond.
*"Lisp is worth learning for the profound enlightenment experience you will
have when you finally get it; that experience will make you a better
programmer for the rest of your days, even if you never actually use Lisp
itself a lot."*

I have learned and use Clojure a dialect of Lisp for some odd jobs just for
this reason.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> The project management thread highlighted this issue of "if it's not in
> Python, I don't want to use it".
>
> Assuming that most of the people here are mostly python enthusiasts or
> learners, I'm wondering when you would *not* use Python. Let's not
> conflate this with Open Source/Closed Source etc.
>
> I'm just interested in situations where you'd stay away from something
> *just* because it isn't in Python. The only reason I'd stay away from
> something like this is if I needed to work on it's code and it was in a
> language that I wasn't familiar with and didn't have the time to learn.
>
> Also, there are plently of situations where I'd jump to a language other
> than Python at the outset (e.g. for log file parsing, Perl still wins
> for me).
>
> Comments?
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
http://hi.im/santosh

From sudheer.s at sudheer.net  Wed Oct 20 13:52:46 2010
From: sudheer.s at sudheer.net (Sudheer Satyanarayana)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:22:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CBED80E.6070804@sudheer.net>


> I'm just interested in situations where you'd stay away from something
> *just* because it isn't in Python. The only reason I'd stay away from
> something like this is if I needed to work on it's code and it was in a
> language that I wasn't familiar with and didn't have the time to learn.
>
> Also, there are plently of situations where I'd jump to a language other
> than Python at the outset (e.g. for log file parsing, Perl still wins
> for me).
>
> Comments?
>
>    
I agree. As the Perl monks put it, use the right tool for the right job. 
You should know when to stop looking for a programming language specific 
solution.

If you want features found only in Redmine and there's nothing like 
Redmine in Python, just use Redmine. Trying to get something closest to 
Redmine in Python and getting it work like Redmine might not be worth 
it. On the other hand, it might be a good idea to start an open source 
project to build a Redmine clone in Python. Creating something like 
Redmine will take several years. IIRC, the Redmine folks developed it 
for four years before releasing 1.0.

My comments don't imply I'm a Ruby fan.

Regards,
-- 
With warm regards,
Sudheer. S
Personal home page - http://sudheer.net | Tech Chorus - 
http://techchorus.net
Web and IT services - http://binaryvibes.co.in

From santrajan at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 14:04:44 2010
From: santrajan at gmail.com (Santosh Rajan)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:34:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=tZj_AVMXQFhGAm=FmCW+vxAe6sCPz4GX-Gpgy@mail.gmail.com>

I have a slightly tangential take on this subject. I do web development and
it is entirely python nowadays. Having said that let me quote Eric Raymond.
*"Lisp is worth learning for the profound enlightenment experience you will
have when you finally get it; that experience will make you a better
programmer for the rest of your days, even if you never actually use Lisp
itself a lot."*

I have learned and use Clojure a dialect of Lisp for some odd jobs just for
this reason.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> The project management thread highlighted this issue of "if it's not in
> Python, I don't want to use it".
>
> Assuming that most of the people here are mostly python enthusiasts or
> learners, I'm wondering when you would *not* use Python. Let's not
> conflate this with Open Source/Closed Source etc.
>
> I'm just interested in situations where you'd stay away from something
> *just* because it isn't in Python. The only reason I'd stay away from
> something like this is if I needed to work on it's code and it was in a
> language that I wasn't familiar with and didn't have the time to learn.
>
> Also, there are plently of situations where I'd jump to a language other
> than Python at the outset (e.g. for log file parsing, Perl still wins
> for me).
>
> Comments?
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
http://hi.im/santosh

From sudheer.s at sudheer.net  Wed Oct 20 13:52:46 2010
From: sudheer.s at sudheer.net (Sudheer Satyanarayana)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:22:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CBED80E.6070804@sudheer.net>


> I'm just interested in situations where you'd stay away from something
> *just* because it isn't in Python. The only reason I'd stay away from
> something like this is if I needed to work on it's code and it was in a
> language that I wasn't familiar with and didn't have the time to learn.
>
> Also, there are plently of situations where I'd jump to a language other
> than Python at the outset (e.g. for log file parsing, Perl still wins
> for me).
>
> Comments?
>
>    
I agree. As the Perl monks put it, use the right tool for the right job. 
You should know when to stop looking for a programming language specific 
solution.

If you want features found only in Redmine and there's nothing like 
Redmine in Python, just use Redmine. Trying to get something closest to 
Redmine in Python and getting it work like Redmine might not be worth 
it. On the other hand, it might be a good idea to start an open source 
project to build a Redmine clone in Python. Creating something like 
Redmine will take several years. IIRC, the Redmine folks developed it 
for four years before releasing 1.0.

My comments don't imply I'm a Ruby fan.

Regards,
-- 
With warm regards,
Sudheer. S
Personal home page - http://sudheer.net | Tech Chorus - 
http://techchorus.net
Web and IT services - http://binaryvibes.co.in

From gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 14:08:05 2010
From: gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com (Gopalakrishnan Subramani)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:38:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <20101020115811.GA20988@remy>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
	<20101020115811.GA20988@remy>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=FqZ-PKn8tbngus+mjGTK6rYch7kwU0J2jLmwe@mail.gmail.com>

I won't develop DESKTOP based application in Python. Desktop means
non-browser based application but like MFC/VC++ stuffs.



On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 04:57:52PM +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> > learners, I'm wondering when you would *not* use Python. Let's not
>
> When there is an extreme need for speed for processing large data
> sets.
> When it is more CPU intensive than Network IO Intensive.
> When the libraries and packages available are more mature in other
> languages..
>
> These are the situations I would consider other language. For first
> and second cases, it would mostly go for C++ and the last case, Java.
>
> --
> Senthil
>
> Q:      What's the difference between Bell Labs and the Boy Scouts of
> America?
> A:      The Boy Scouts have adult supervision.
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From santrajan at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 14:04:44 2010
From: santrajan at gmail.com (Santosh Rajan)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:34:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=tZj_AVMXQFhGAm=FmCW+vxAe6sCPz4GX-Gpgy@mail.gmail.com>

I have a slightly tangential take on this subject. I do web development and
it is entirely python nowadays. Having said that let me quote Eric Raymond.
*"Lisp is worth learning for the profound enlightenment experience you will
have when you finally get it; that experience will make you a better
programmer for the rest of your days, even if you never actually use Lisp
itself a lot."*

I have learned and use Clojure a dialect of Lisp for some odd jobs just for
this reason.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> The project management thread highlighted this issue of "if it's not in
> Python, I don't want to use it".
>
> Assuming that most of the people here are mostly python enthusiasts or
> learners, I'm wondering when you would *not* use Python. Let's not
> conflate this with Open Source/Closed Source etc.
>
> I'm just interested in situations where you'd stay away from something
> *just* because it isn't in Python. The only reason I'd stay away from
> something like this is if I needed to work on it's code and it was in a
> language that I wasn't familiar with and didn't have the time to learn.
>
> Also, there are plently of situations where I'd jump to a language other
> than Python at the outset (e.g. for log file parsing, Perl still wins
> for me).
>
> Comments?
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
http://hi.im/santosh

From santrajan at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 14:04:44 2010
From: santrajan at gmail.com (Santosh Rajan)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:34:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=tZj_AVMXQFhGAm=FmCW+vxAe6sCPz4GX-Gpgy@mail.gmail.com>

I have a slightly tangential take on this subject. I do web development and
it is entirely python nowadays. Having said that let me quote Eric Raymond.
*"Lisp is worth learning for the profound enlightenment experience you will
have when you finally get it; that experience will make you a better
programmer for the rest of your days, even if you never actually use Lisp
itself a lot."*

I have learned and use Clojure a dialect of Lisp for some odd jobs just for
this reason.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> The project management thread highlighted this issue of "if it's not in
> Python, I don't want to use it".
>
> Assuming that most of the people here are mostly python enthusiasts or
> learners, I'm wondering when you would *not* use Python. Let's not
> conflate this with Open Source/Closed Source etc.
>
> I'm just interested in situations where you'd stay away from something
> *just* because it isn't in Python. The only reason I'd stay away from
> something like this is if I needed to work on it's code and it was in a
> language that I wasn't familiar with and didn't have the time to learn.
>
> Also, there are plently of situations where I'd jump to a language other
> than Python at the outset (e.g. for log file parsing, Perl still wins
> for me).
>
> Comments?
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
http://hi.im/santosh

From lorddaemon at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 14:09:32 2010
From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Dark Seid)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:39:32 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikkszW0bH_O_NDO7b=6A4u7N4BPzad-ST=jHKHQ@mail.gmail.com>

I was wondering if I should bring this up because I was curious, but then
decided not to because it's also a sensitive subject.

> The only reason I'd stay away from
> something like this is if I needed to work on it's code and it was in a
> language that I wasn't familiar with and didn't have the time to learn.
>

Agreed. Also, I'd steer clear of something if it was in an aesthetically
displeasing language even if I do know it, or have the time to learn. On the
other hand if the feature set was compelling enough I might still use it
anyway. For example MediaWiki, Wordpress and Drupal fall into this bucket
for me.

By and large though, my primary driver is productivity. I don't care about
much else. If it's more productive (for me), I'll adopt it, whether it's a
OS, language, library, tool, community or methodology. Examples for me where
I've made switches - OSX, Ruby, IntelliJ, XP, TDD. And if I come across
something more productive, I'll switch again.

Best,
Sidu.
http://c42.in

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> The project management thread highlighted this issue of "if it's not in
> Python, I don't want to use it".
>
> Assuming that most of the people here are mostly python enthusiasts or
> learners, I'm wondering when you would *not* use Python. Let's not
> conflate this with Open Source/Closed Source etc.
>
> I'm just interested in situations where you'd stay away from something
> *just* because it isn't in Python. The only reason I'd stay away from
> something like this is if I needed to work on it's code and it was in a
> language that I wasn't familiar with and didn't have the time to learn.
>
> Also, there are plently of situations where I'd jump to a language other
> than Python at the outset (e.g. for log file parsing, Perl still wins
> for me).
>
> Comments?
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
>
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> BangPypers at python.org
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>

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 20 14:12:12 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:42:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <4CBED80E.6070804@sudheer.net>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>  <4CBED80E.6070804@sudheer.net>
Message-ID: <1287576732.2261.57.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 17:22 +0530, Sudheer Satyanarayana wrote:
> > Comments?
> >
> >    
> I agree. As the Perl monks put it, use the right tool for the right
> job. 
> You should know when to stop looking for a programming language
> specific 
> solution. 

ok - but why repeat your mail as many 6 times? are more copies on the
way?
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC


From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 20 14:16:33 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:46:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <4CBED80E.6070804@sudheer.net>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>  <4CBED80E.6070804@sudheer.net>
Message-ID: <1287576993.2261.58.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 17:22 +0530, Sudheer Satyanarayana wrote:
> > Comments?
> >
> >    
> I agree. As the Perl monks put it, use the right tool for the right
> job. 
> You should know when to stop looking for a programming language
> specific 
> solution. 

9th time this message has come
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC


From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Wed Oct 20 14:17:45 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:47:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=tZj_AVMXQFhGAm=FmCW+vxAe6sCPz4GX-Gpgy@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=tZj_AVMXQFhGAm=FmCW+vxAe6sCPz4GX-Gpgy@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1287577065.2261.60.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 17:34 +0530, Santosh Rajan wrote:
> I have learned and use Clojure a dialect of Lisp for some odd jobs
> just for
> this reason. 

4th time this message has hit the list (I think something has gone wrong
somewhere - either in this list or in gmail)
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC


From lgp171188 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 14:27:11 2010
From: lgp171188 at gmail.com (Guruprasad)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:57:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <1287576993.2261.58.camel@localhost>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com> <4CBED80E.6070804@sudheer.net>
	<1287576993.2261.58.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin2_ytqKsPkeAahEsXB1zYgvW1nCOmMfpOqyy4L@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
>> I agree. As the Perl monks put it, use the right tool for the right
>> job.
>> You should know when to stop looking for a programming language
>> specific
>> solution.
>
> 9th time this message has come

I have got it once, just once.

Thanks & Regards,
Guruprasad

From steve at lonetwin.net  Wed Oct 20 14:54:25 2010
From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 18:24:25 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=FqZ-PKn8tbngus+mjGTK6rYch7kwU0J2jLmwe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>	<20101020115811.GA20988@remy>
	<AANLkTi=FqZ-PKn8tbngus+mjGTK6rYch7kwU0J2jLmwe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CBEE681.90700@lonetwin.net>

On 10/20/2010 05:38 PM, Gopalakrishnan Subramani wrote:
> I won't develop DESKTOP based application in Python. Desktop means
> non-browser based application but like MFC/VC++ stuffs.
>

Interesting. Not that I know anything about MFC/VC++ but in the linux world a 
fairly large number of desktop apps (at least gtk based ones) are written in 
python. Why is the situation different in windows ?

cheers,
- steve
-- 
random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/
what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

From steve at lonetwin.net  Wed Oct 20 15:03:48 2010
From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 18:33:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=tZj_AVMXQFhGAm=FmCW+vxAe6sCPz4GX-Gpgy@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=tZj_AVMXQFhGAm=FmCW+vxAe6sCPz4GX-Gpgy@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CBEE8B4.9070703@lonetwin.net>

Hi,

On 10/20/2010 05:34 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote:
> I have a slightly tangential take on this subject. I do web development and
> it is entirely python nowadays. Having said that let me quote Eric Raymond.
> *"Lisp is worth learning for the profound enlightenment experience you will
> have when you finally get it; that experience will make you a better
> programmer for the rest of your days, even if you never actually use Lisp
> itself a lot."*
>
> I have learned and use Clojure a dialect of Lisp for some odd jobs just for
> this reason.
>

I've had this on my todo list for sometime but then I read ..

http://sayspy.blogspot.com/2010/10/my-thoughts-on-clojure.html

...which made me re-think whether it was worth the effort (I already know a 
smattering of scheme but not well enough to consider it for anything resembling 
serious work).

Just curious, what do you (or anyone who has bothered learning clojure) think 
about that ?

cheers,
- steve

-- 
random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/
what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

From selva4210 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 15:03:51 2010
From: selva4210 at gmail.com (Azhagu Selvan SP)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 18:33:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <1287577065.2261.60.camel@localhost>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=tZj_AVMXQFhGAm=FmCW+vxAe6sCPz4GX-Gpgy@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287577065.2261.60.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <1287579831.1772.6.camel@tamizhgeek-desktop>

On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 17:47 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 17:34 +0530, Santosh Rajan wrote:
> > I have learned and use Clojure a dialect of Lisp for some odd jobs
> > just for
> > this reason. 
> 
> 4th time this message has hit the list (I think something has gone wrong
> somewhere - either in this list or in gmail)

Some problem with your mail server I suppose. I received it only once
and there is a single message in the archive too.

--

Azhagu Selvan SP

http://azhaguselvan.co.cc



From ramdaz at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 15:08:33 2010
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 18:38:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <4CBEE681.90700@lonetwin.net>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com> <20101020115811.GA20988@remy>
	<AANLkTi=FqZ-PKn8tbngus+mjGTK6rYch7kwU0J2jLmwe@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CBEE681.90700@lonetwin.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiktM8nBtLDwJ7=is9bg1b0ZQNWG+koy-X+-hfPx@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:24 PM, steve <steve at lonetwin.net> wrote:

> On 10/20/2010 05:38 PM, Gopalakrishnan Subramani wrote:
>
>> I won't develop DESKTOP based application in Python. Desktop means
>> non-browser based application but like MFC/VC++ stuffs.
>>
>>
>
The thumbrule is language is not important, if we need not maintain the
software or will never need to and also provided the software itself is
supported, and can be trusted.

Language is important if you need to  maintain, value add on the software

-- 
Ramdas S
+91 9342 583 065

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 15:21:23 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 18:51:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Co-operating threads
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=jUO2YGakk=V2oQTxXgc=TRaEA6444wF2_wMjK@mail.gmail.com>

I am not sure how many of you have had a chance to
use generators to implement "co-operating" aka "micro"
threads in Python.

Dr. David Mertz gives a good introduction to the topic in his
charming Python article here.

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-pythrd.html

The other day I had a problem of creating a text file containing
all the paths of C/C++ source code inside a directory tree
containing rather a large number of source files (around
10 million). The normal approach I take in these cases is
to write an os.walk function which keeps writing to a list
and finally dump the list to a file. However since there could be
around a million or more entries in the list, I thought I will
whip up a solution using micro-threads with a "writer" and
a "traverser" light weight thread.

The traverser willl traverse a folder, write contents to the list
and yield wherein the scheduler will automatically call the writer.
The writer flushes the list to the file and yields wherein the
scheduler switches back to the traverser.

The code is here. It essentially makes use of the same skeleton
as the code sample presented by David in his article.

http://dpaste.com/hold/260673/

My questions are aimed at those who have some experience
working with light-weight threads/generators in Python or with
Stackless.

1. Can this be done better - Say in Python 3.0 ?
2. How does one do this in Stackless ?
3. If you have any experience with countless other Python concurrency
libraries for solving problems like this ?
4. How will you do this using "multiprocess" module ?

I hope this makes up for an interesting discussion.

Thanks,

-- 
--Anand

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 15:22:17 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 18:52:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim4QRhrScL0gB+eL6615_vCqKf8+sYZ2hFCDurq@mail.gmail.com>
	(Anand Balachandran Pillai's message of "Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:26:33
	+0530")
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim4QRhrScL0gB+eL6615_vCqKf8+sYZ2hFCDurq@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87bp6pvw1i.fsf@gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 20 2010, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:

[...]

>  Maybe for "rough" n "dirty" use-once-and-throw parsers, 

[...]

Exactly. My point is that there are good use cases for it as there are
for most languages and sticking to a langauge just because one has some
kind of emotional attachment to it seems to me to be unwise.

Also, I have seen perl parsers written by experienced perl hands that
are very readable, maintainable and tested so it's not *only* for rough
and dirty use-one-and-throw away code. 

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 15:27:23 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 18:57:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <4CBEE681.90700@lonetwin.net> (steve@lonetwin.net's message of
	"Wed, 20 Oct 2010 18:24:25 +0530")
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com> <20101020115811.GA20988@remy>
	<AANLkTi=FqZ-PKn8tbngus+mjGTK6rYch7kwU0J2jLmwe@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CBEE681.90700@lonetwin.net>
Message-ID: <8762wxvvt0.fsf@gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 20 2010, steve wrote:

> On 10/20/2010 05:38 PM, Gopalakrishnan Subramani wrote:
>> I won't develop DESKTOP based application in Python. Desktop means
>> non-browser based application but like MFC/VC++ stuffs.
>>
>
> Interesting. Not that I know anything about MFC/VC++ but in the linux
> world a fairly large number of desktop apps (at least gtk based ones)
> are written in python. Why is the situation different in windows ?

[...]

I think it's cultural. Windows GUIs (atleast till recently) all use the
Microsoft sanctioned set of widgets and controls and the ecosystem
around it so it was the "one way" to develop apps there. Things are
different now with cross platform widget sets. 

In the free software desktop market, there's a lot of choice which
results in multiple options. 


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From santrajan at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 15:31:10 2010
From: santrajan at gmail.com (Santosh Rajan)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 19:01:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <4CBEE8B4.9070703@lonetwin.net>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=tZj_AVMXQFhGAm=FmCW+vxAe6sCPz4GX-Gpgy@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CBEE8B4.9070703@lonetwin.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinotvV4Xg+dh7tGPPVXPzSZOPMxg7hwpn=K4CFW@mail.gmail.com>

First of all I don't like java, and just like the author suggested Clojure
is tightly coupled to java. However even if you don't know java you still
can program in clojure like I do. My motivation to learn clojure was
entirely due to Eric Raymond's quote. Of course I could have learned any
other "Lisp" dialect for that. But one of the advantages of clojure is that
all the available java code is there to access without having to learn java.
Also Clojure gives emphasis to the concept of immutability of data which is
actually a slightly philosophical concept which I agree with.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:33 PM, steve <steve at lonetwin.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> On 10/20/2010 05:34 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote:
>
>> I have a slightly tangential take on this subject. I do web development
>> and
>> it is entirely python nowadays. Having said that let me quote Eric
>> Raymond.
>> *"Lisp is worth learning for the profound enlightenment experience you
>> will
>> have when you finally get it; that experience will make you a better
>> programmer for the rest of your days, even if you never actually use Lisp
>> itself a lot."*
>>
>> I have learned and use Clojure a dialect of Lisp for some odd jobs just
>> for
>> this reason.
>>
>>
> I've had this on my todo list for sometime but then I read ..
>
> http://sayspy.blogspot.com/2010/10/my-thoughts-on-clojure.html
>
> ...which made me re-think whether it was worth the effort (I already know a
> smattering of scheme but not well enough to consider it for anything
> resembling serious work).
>
> Just curious, what do you (or anyone who has bothered learning clojure)
> think about that ?
>
>
> cheers,
> - steve
>
> --
> random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/
> what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/
>



-- 
http://hi.im/santosh

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 15:36:44 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 19:06:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikkszW0bH_O_NDO7b=6A4u7N4BPzad-ST=jHKHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	(Dark Seid's message of "Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:39:32 +0530")
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikkszW0bH_O_NDO7b=6A4u7N4BPzad-ST=jHKHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87y69tugsz.fsf@gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 20 2010, Dark Seid wrote:

[...]

> By and large though, my primary driver is productivity. I don't care
> about much else. If it's more productive (for me), I'll adopt it,
> whether it's a OS, language, library, tool, community or
> methodology. Examples for me where I've made switches - OSX, Ruby,
> IntelliJ, XP, TDD. And if I come across something more productive,
> I'll switch again.

[...]

Ever the pragmatist eh? :)

But you're right. I'd add a few things like maintainability and long
term readability as well. 

Other things that affect my general acceptance are community, legacy
code and of course money.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From steve at lonetwin.net  Wed Oct 20 14:40:30 2010
From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 18:10:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CBEE33E.6050309@lonetwin.net>

On 10/20/2010 04:57 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
>
> The project management thread highlighted this issue of "if it's not in
> Python, I don't want to use it".
>
> Assuming that most of the people here are mostly python enthusiasts or
> learners, I'm wondering when you would *not* use Python. Let's not
> conflate this with Open Source/Closed Source etc.
>
> I'm just interested in situations where you'd stay away from something
> *just* because it isn't in Python. The only reason I'd stay away from
> something like this is if I needed to work on it's code and it was in a
> language that I wasn't familiar with and didn't have the time to learn.
>
> Also, there are plently of situations where I'd jump to a language other
> than Python at the outset (e.g. for log file parsing, Perl still wins
> for me).
>
> Comments?

...for systems programming obviously, corepy[1] and pyasm[2] notwithstanding. :)

Seriously though, one aspect is small to medium sized automation/shell scripts 
where although sometimes one is tempted to use the 'power' of python, doing a 
`ls` instead of os.listdir('.') and `/some/random/command` instead of using the 
shutil/commands/subprocess ...etc modules is more pragmatic.

cheers,
- steve

[1] http://www.corepy.org/
[2] http://members.verizon.net/~olsongt/usersGuide.html

-- 
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what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/

From anomit.ghosh at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 16:06:02 2010
From: anomit.ghosh at gmail.com (Anomit Ghosh)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 19:36:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Co-operating threads
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=jUO2YGakk=V2oQTxXgc=TRaEA6444wF2_wMjK@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=jUO2YGakk=V2oQTxXgc=TRaEA6444wF2_wMjK@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=QrecdcVuHUaMpGu3L9Kj71C7dHkE_n3qAOvaJ@mail.gmail.com>

Talking of co-operating "threads", I like the idea of greenthreads
implemented with the help of greenlets[1] in eventlet [2]. Another
similar library is gevent[3] that uses a "hub" like eventlet but that
purely uses libevent. You can leave the scheduling upto the hubs in
both these libraries which results in lot less boilerplate with the
added advantage of writing asynchronous code in the synchronous style
that we are generally used to. The hub will take care of switching
between the greenlets when they perform a "blocking" operation. It's
difficult for me to explain all of these in one single reply. I'd
suggest going through some of the examples in their docs for a better
understanding of this unusual pattern of writing programs. No
callbacks, no reactors, no deferreds ;-)

[1] http://pypi.python.org/pypi/greenlet
[2] http://eventlet.net
[3] http://gevent.org
-- 
Anomit Ghosh

From orsenthil at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 19:01:37 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 22:31:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Co-operating threads
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=jUO2YGakk=V2oQTxXgc=TRaEA6444wF2_wMjK@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=jUO2YGakk=V2oQTxXgc=TRaEA6444wF2_wMjK@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikKsY+C3gWJjNBsjppm9brJH8shaRdYLLvfZAS5@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai
<abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:
> 3. If you have any experience with countless other Python concurrency
> libraries for solving problems like this ?

I recently had chance to use twisted.internet.task.Cooperator for
doing a large file transfers in parallel with having some control over
network load. It was very interesting to try that.
In general, after studying twisted's model dealing with concurrency, I
like the way it's various classes and abstractions are designed.
Interested to learn more 'different approaches' which others have adopted too.

In python 3, with futures coming up, you can do something like the
twisted's model.

I have not read the linked article, shall read it.


-- 
Senthil

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Oct 21 06:51:00 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:21:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <1287579831.1772.6.camel@tamizhgeek-desktop>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=tZj_AVMXQFhGAm=FmCW+vxAe6sCPz4GX-Gpgy@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287577065.2261.60.camel@localhost>
	<1287579831.1772.6.camel@tamizhgeek-desktop>
Message-ID: <1287636660.2261.75.camel@localhost>

On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 18:33 +0530, Azhagu Selvan SP wrote:
> > 4th time this message has hit the list (I think something has gone
> wrong
> > somewhere - either in this list or in gmail)
> 
> Some problem with your mail server I suppose. I received it only once
> and there is a single message in the archive too. 

I think gmail filters out duplicates
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC


From nitin.nitp at gmail.com  Sun Oct 24 02:39:02 2010
From: nitin.nitp at gmail.com (Nitin Kumar)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 17:39:02 -0700
Subject: [BangPypers] Python debugger help
Message-ID: <AANLkTikhLZBE-_QK-uGOvmr9u1YGtgpSFj8or1ir9Sos@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I am using python 2.6.5 for one of testing framework development in my
company. But the framework sometimes carses.
I need to debug it. Can anyone please help me with some kind of
Document/link or similar things.

The think to notice is I need to debug the crash.
Thanks in Advance
-- 
Nitin K

From noufal at gmail.com  Sun Oct 24 06:48:07 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 10:18:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python debugger help
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikhLZBE-_QK-uGOvmr9u1YGtgpSFj8or1ir9Sos@mail.gmail.com>
	(Nitin Kumar's message of "Sat, 23 Oct 2010 17:39:02 -0700")
References: <AANLkTikhLZBE-_QK-uGOvmr9u1YGtgpSFj8or1ir9Sos@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87eibgp56g.fsf@gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 24 2010, Nitin Kumar wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I am using python 2.6.5 for one of testing framework development in my
> company. But the framework sometimes carses.
> I need to debug it. Can anyone please help me with some kind of
> Document/link or similar things.
>
> The think to notice is I need to debug the crash.

There is the inbuilt pdb. You can look at the official docs for it to
get some help. I've had better luck with logging/print statements than
with pdb. Sometimes, when I need to step through, I stick an "import
pdb; pdb.set_trace()" at the place where i need the program to get
interrupted and then use it from there.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From anomit.ghosh at gmail.com  Sun Oct 24 17:12:29 2010
From: anomit.ghosh at gmail.com (Anomit Ghosh)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 20:42:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Co-operating threads
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=jUO2YGakk=V2oQTxXgc=TRaEA6444wF2_wMjK@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=jUO2YGakk=V2oQTxXgc=TRaEA6444wF2_wMjK@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik3psL9DvJ3qwQxAFW0Ya4PdqqHPPy6QJ1e_yJd@mail.gmail.com>

I took a look at the code you pasted and tried to quickly convert it
into a script[1] that uses eventlet. It's been quite some time since I
used eventlet like the way it's meant to be and I believe there might
be another more efficient way of getting this done. But anyway, it
reduces the lines of code needed drastically.

[1] http://dpaste.de/hd05/

-- 
Anomit Ghosh

From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 04:03:11 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 07:33:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <87r5flw1c7.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimRq4=y++wu8sY3NZByGgu3RHKEA_53q8KzOsEp@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Assuming that most of the people here are mostly python enthusiasts or
> learners, I'm wondering when you would *not* use Python. Let's not
> conflate this with Open Source/Closed Source etc.
>
>
Python is the language which has (what in business terms is coined as) the
right of first refusal.

ie. evaluate something whether it really makes sense in python, and if not
in python then start exploring what else.

The primary reasons which may encourage me to use a language other than
python are :

a. Need for raw CPU power. Yes there are a few of such use cases. When
purely CPU driven and when you really really need the CPU badly (which is
probably less than 5% cases) python performance is really poor.
b. Need for high amounts of multithreading even while being largely CPU
bound.

Yes - both situations can be handled by escaping to C from python, but I
would much rather handle these in Java (or languages based on JVM) rather
than C unless I am in a very constrained hardware situation.

On a separate note I do believe as we start heading towards the 32 core
situation (say in 5 yrs time) - there better exist a better solution than
the GIL :)


> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



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From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 04:20:03 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 07:50:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=SZvJh3fDvEWZWcL1h_=UtBausbRcbR-VrOsxd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=SZvJh3fDvEWZWcL1h_=UtBausbRcbR-VrOsxd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikBJy3FhPk6EK1Fb2S21GYUiddn7Cyzd7pBeMYu@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Nigel Babu <nigelbabu at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org
> >wrote:
>
> > hi,
> >
> > I am looking for a task tracker/issue manager for a project that is
> > commencing. It is not a software project as such but something more
> > comprehensive. I have used trac in the past - was wondering if there are
> > any new sophisticated apps around for this?
> > --
> > regards
> > Kenneth Gonsalves
> > Senior Associate
> > NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC
> >
>
> Hi Kenneth,
>
> Have you tried Redmine?  Its built on ruby and I was recommended it
> multiple
> times.  Not sure how good it is though.
>

+1 for redmine. Unless I want to hack a tool, what language it is written in
is really unimportant to me. And quite frankly ruby isn't such a unpalatable
language to hack should the need arise either :)

Dhananjay

>
> Warm Regards
> Nigel Babu
> _______________________________________________
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> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 09:00:11 2010
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:30:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Co-operating threads
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik3psL9DvJ3qwQxAFW0Ya4PdqqHPPy6QJ1e_yJd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=jUO2YGakk=V2oQTxXgc=TRaEA6444wF2_wMjK@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik3psL9DvJ3qwQxAFW0Ya4PdqqHPPy6QJ1e_yJd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=COdCniwrrQiTDHqzAyO6hAhHHusVu7-iS4HQh@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I have greenlets on my system, but I dont see any info about gevent or
eventlet on Windows.
The websites all talk in terms of Linux, MacOsX etc...

Do you know if the same are available on Windows too? or any kind of such
framework for Windows.

Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Anomit Ghosh <anomit.ghosh at gmail.com>wrote:

> I took a look at the code you pasted and tried to quickly convert it
> into a script[1] that uses eventlet. It's been quite some time since I
> used eventlet like the way it's meant to be and I believe there might
> be another more efficient way of getting this done. But anyway, it
> reduces the lines of code needed drastically.
>
> [1] http://dpaste.de/hd05/
>
> --
> Anomit Ghosh
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre

---
"So say...Day by day, in every way, I am getting better, better and better
!!!"
"A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else.
Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
"Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?
"May we do good and not evil. May we find forgiveness for ourself and
forgive others. May we share freely, never taking more than we give."

From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 09:04:21 2010
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:34:21 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <1287567160.2261.48.camel@localhost>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=SZvJh3fDvEWZWcL1h_=UtBausbRcbR-VrOsxd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287552141.2261.30.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=LiqzXABTpranyNX7k1oMSpfz=bfMRW=dWSUBu@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimaRXVC1bgz7FUMaXL7S7EEyZfid1kmhK9yhg3u@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikB+vkSKopyPvgW1no4T+qrBcm_v=+reKcTJyYk@mail.gmail.com>
	<87fww1xonu.fsf@gmail.com> <1287567160.2261.48.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=iAnm4tdZCam7O4atrAM36v+f1FPte_-vBxiG0@mail.gmail.com>

For your requirements:
+10 for Trac

-2 for the agilo Trac plugin (has issues with ldap based authentication etc)

~ Vishal

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 13:48 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> > However, both of these are 'mostly' bug trackers or at best software
> > project management tools. You mentioned that you're looking for
> > something more general. Would something like a internal wiki work
> > better?
>
> it is not software management - and many of the main users are suits -
> so something that they can wrap their pointy heads around. I love
> bitbucket and have a couple of projects going where the client is very
> easily able to give inputs and monitor things - once they grasp the fact
> that each issue should have only one issue. Such people are scared of
> wikis and invariably mess them up.
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Associate
> NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre

---
"So say...Day by day, in every way, I am getting better, better and better
!!!"
"A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else.
Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
"Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?
"May we do good and not evil. May we find forgiveness for ourself and
forgive others. May we share freely, never taking more than we give."

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Mon Oct 25 09:10:55 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:40:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=iAnm4tdZCam7O4atrAM36v+f1FPte_-vBxiG0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=SZvJh3fDvEWZWcL1h_=UtBausbRcbR-VrOsxd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287552141.2261.30.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=LiqzXABTpranyNX7k1oMSpfz=bfMRW=dWSUBu@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimaRXVC1bgz7FUMaXL7S7EEyZfid1kmhK9yhg3u@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikB+vkSKopyPvgW1no4T+qrBcm_v=+reKcTJyYk@mail.gmail.com>
	<87fww1xonu.fsf@gmail.com> <1287567160.2261.48.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=iAnm4tdZCam7O4atrAM36v+f1FPte_-vBxiG0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1287990655.2261.249.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 12:34 +0530, Vishal wrote:
> For your requirements:
> +10 for Trac 

'+10' is not recognised as a valid vote - valid votes are -1,-0,+0 and
+1
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC


From orsenthil at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 09:40:24 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:10:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Co-operating threads
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik3psL9DvJ3qwQxAFW0Ya4PdqqHPPy6QJ1e_yJd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=jUO2YGakk=V2oQTxXgc=TRaEA6444wF2_wMjK@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik3psL9DvJ3qwQxAFW0Ya4PdqqHPPy6QJ1e_yJd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101025074024.GB3116@remy>

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 08:42:29PM +0530, Anomit Ghosh wrote:
> I took a look at the code you pasted and tried to quickly convert it
> into a script[1] that uses eventlet. It's been quite some time since I

> [1] http://dpaste.de/hd05/

I don't see the interaction of eventlet and GreenPool in this
snippet. How does it happen?

-- 
Senthil

Until Eve arrived, this was a man's world.
		-- Richard Armour

From anomit.ghosh at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 09:48:43 2010
From: anomit.ghosh at gmail.com (Anomit Ghosh)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:18:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Co-operating threads
In-Reply-To: <20101025074024.GB3116@remy>
References: <AANLkTi=jUO2YGakk=V2oQTxXgc=TRaEA6444wF2_wMjK@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik3psL9DvJ3qwQxAFW0Ya4PdqqHPPy6QJ1e_yJd@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101025074024.GB3116@remy>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=VZ8GX2meJpPmOoUzkxthfeLAcb1AshSinK866@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Senthil Kumaran <orsenthil at gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't see the interaction of eventlet and GreenPool in this
> snippet. How does it happen?
>

Whoops, really sorry about that. I was trying something else with
GreenPool. Forgot to remove that line.

-- 
Anomit Ghosh

From venkat83 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 14:20:14 2010
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 17:50:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-POST] Firesheep
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=y1bKRMCso8w8pW9BcuZCKjamq1cV=HwEbbw4+@mail.gmail.com>

Neat stuff : http://codebutler.com/firesheep

Solution : http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/25/firesheep/

-V-
http://twitter.com/venkasub

From rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 14:21:18 2010
From: rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com (Rajeev J Sebastian)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 17:51:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <1287990655.2261.249.camel@localhost>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=SZvJh3fDvEWZWcL1h_=UtBausbRcbR-VrOsxd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287552141.2261.30.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=LiqzXABTpranyNX7k1oMSpfz=bfMRW=dWSUBu@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimaRXVC1bgz7FUMaXL7S7EEyZfid1kmhK9yhg3u@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikB+vkSKopyPvgW1no4T+qrBcm_v=+reKcTJyYk@mail.gmail.com>
	<87fww1xonu.fsf@gmail.com> <1287567160.2261.48.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=iAnm4tdZCam7O4atrAM36v+f1FPte_-vBxiG0@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287990655.2261.249.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim8B6VwhLvE2O0TeHD_xsNQMGUKtWHkzxB6h35g@mail.gmail.com>

I'm currently developing a task/issue management system; Django based.
Currently I havent made it open source (need to improve further before
I do that), but I'm using it in production. Let me know if you're
interested to see it.

Regards
Rajeev J Sebastian

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 12:34 +0530, Vishal wrote:
>> For your requirements:
>> +10 for Trac
>
> '+10' is not recognised as a valid vote - valid votes are -1,-0,+0 and
> +1
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Associate
> NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Mon Oct 25 14:30:06 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 18:00:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim8B6VwhLvE2O0TeHD_xsNQMGUKtWHkzxB6h35g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=SZvJh3fDvEWZWcL1h_=UtBausbRcbR-VrOsxd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287552141.2261.30.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=LiqzXABTpranyNX7k1oMSpfz=bfMRW=dWSUBu@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimaRXVC1bgz7FUMaXL7S7EEyZfid1kmhK9yhg3u@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikB+vkSKopyPvgW1no4T+qrBcm_v=+reKcTJyYk@mail.gmail.com>
	<87fww1xonu.fsf@gmail.com> <1287567160.2261.48.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=iAnm4tdZCam7O4atrAM36v+f1FPte_-vBxiG0@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287990655.2261.249.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTim8B6VwhLvE2O0TeHD_xsNQMGUKtWHkzxB6h35g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1288009806.2261.262.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 17:51 +0530, Rajeev J Sebastian wrote:
> I'm currently developing a task/issue management system; Django based.
> Currently I havent made it open source (need to improve further before
> I do that), but I'm using it in production. 

open source it and we can help to improve it
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC


From rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 19:52:52 2010
From: rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com (Rajeev J Sebastian)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 23:22:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <1288009806.2261.262.camel@localhost>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=SZvJh3fDvEWZWcL1h_=UtBausbRcbR-VrOsxd@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287552141.2261.30.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=LiqzXABTpranyNX7k1oMSpfz=bfMRW=dWSUBu@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimaRXVC1bgz7FUMaXL7S7EEyZfid1kmhK9yhg3u@mail.gmail.com>
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	<87fww1xonu.fsf@gmail.com> <1287567160.2261.48.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=iAnm4tdZCam7O4atrAM36v+f1FPte_-vBxiG0@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287990655.2261.249.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTim8B6VwhLvE2O0TeHD_xsNQMGUKtWHkzxB6h35g@mail.gmail.com>
	<1288009806.2261.262.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikNrfqz+y_zSc1d8wo_9ryedwa1DG67z4mo0GSV@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 17:51 +0530, Rajeev J Sebastian wrote:
>> I'm currently developing a task/issue management system; Django based.
>> Currently I havent made it open source (need to improve further before
>> I do that), but I'm using it in production.
>
> open source it and we can help to improve it

Who exactly is 'we'?

---

The project is moving forward towards an open source model. I am still
looking out for collaborators (especially UI/UX people and Mootools JS
devs). People who are sincerely interested in contributing towards
this solution can contact me for a demo and discussions. I've already
spent Rs 1 lakh+ towards the development of this project, so only very
serious people need approach.

Regards
Rajeev J Sebastian

From lorddaemon at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 20:18:43 2010
From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Dark Seid)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 23:48:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikNrfqz+y_zSc1d8wo_9ryedwa1DG67z4mo0GSV@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
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	<1287552141.2261.30.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=LiqzXABTpranyNX7k1oMSpfz=bfMRW=dWSUBu@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimaRXVC1bgz7FUMaXL7S7EEyZfid1kmhK9yhg3u@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikB+vkSKopyPvgW1no4T+qrBcm_v=+reKcTJyYk@mail.gmail.com>
	<87fww1xonu.fsf@gmail.com> <1287567160.2261.48.camel@localhost>
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	<1287990655.2261.249.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTim8B6VwhLvE2O0TeHD_xsNQMGUKtWHkzxB6h35g@mail.gmail.com>
	<1288009806.2261.262.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTikNrfqz+y_zSc1d8wo_9ryedwa1DG67z4mo0GSV@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinhi=Qx=pRkA3yzbMTx=oD07myosWKHEEX2D72i@mail.gmail.com>

>
> so only very serious people need approach.
>
I could be stating the obvious here, but I suspect that the kind of people
you're looking for will only contribute to an OSS project if it's got great
code or solves a problem in an interesting/effective way or both. Nobody can
figure this out *before* you open source it, so you can't expect people to
figure out up-front how serious they will be about contributing.

Best,
Sidu.
http://c42.in

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Rajeev J Sebastian <
rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>
> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 17:51 +0530, Rajeev J Sebastian wrote:
> >> I'm currently developing a task/issue management system; Django based.
> >> Currently I havent made it open source (need to improve further before
> >> I do that), but I'm using it in production.
> >
> > open source it and we can help to improve it
>
> Who exactly is 'we'?
>
> ---
>
> The project is moving forward towards an open source model. I am still
> looking out for collaborators (especially UI/UX people and Mootools JS
> devs). People who are sincerely interested in contributing towards
> this solution can contact me for a demo and discussions. I've already
> spent Rs 1 lakh+ towards the development of this project, so only very
> serious people need approach.
>
> Regards
> Rajeev J Sebastian
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 20:35:45 2010
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 00:05:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <1287990655.2261.249.camel@localhost>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
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Ok. Sorry about that.
+1 for Trac then.

Also, if you its possible to shell out some money....please do have a look
at Altassian's JIRA. For $10 for 10 users, its the cheapest and indeed one
of the best project management tools.

Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 12:34 +0530, Vishal wrote:
> > For your requirements:
> > +10 for Trac
>
> '+10' is not recognised as a valid vote - valid votes are -1,-0,+0 and
> +1
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Associate
> NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Thanks and best regards,
Vishal Sapre

---
"So say...Day by day, in every way, I am getting better, better and better
!!!"
"A Strong and Positive attitude creates more miracles than anything else.
Because...Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
"Diamond is another piece of coal that did well under pressure?
"May we do good and not evil. May we find forgiveness for ourself and
forgive others. May we share freely, never taking more than we give."

From rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 21:02:07 2010
From: rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com (Rajeev J Sebastian)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 00:32:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinhi=Qx=pRkA3yzbMTx=oD07myosWKHEEX2D72i@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
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On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:48 PM, Dark Seid <lorddaemon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> so only very serious people need approach.
>>
> I could be stating the obvious here, but I suspect that the kind of people
> you're looking for will only contribute to an OSS project if it's got great
> code or solves a problem in an interesting/effective way or both. Nobody can
> figure this out *before* you open source it, so you can't expect people to
> figure out up-front how serious they will be about contributing.

Yes, you were stating the obvious. Someone might be serious about
contributing, if for e.g., they have time on their hands, experience
in developing quality products, and the will to spend it effectively
towards a project, which ultimately may not pay off financially (since
it is open source). In this case, I'm willing to demo the system and
show them the code; that is the means by which interested *serious*
contributors can decide if they want to help out, or work on other
open source projects.

Loose statements like "we will help to improve it" is not a sign of a
serious contributor, in fact probably the opposite.

Regards
Rajeev J Sebastian

From lorddaemon at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 21:07:51 2010
From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Dark Seid)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 00:37:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
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References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
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>
> that is the means by which interested *serious*
> contributors can decide if they want to help out, or work on other
> open source projects.
>
Right. Let us know once it's available on bitbucket or github.

On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Rajeev J Sebastian <
rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:48 PM, Dark Seid <lorddaemon at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> so only very serious people need approach.
> >>
> > I could be stating the obvious here, but I suspect that the kind of
> people
> > you're looking for will only contribute to an OSS project if it's got
> great
> > code or solves a problem in an interesting/effective way or both. Nobody
> can
> > figure this out *before* you open source it, so you can't expect people
> to
> > figure out up-front how serious they will be about contributing.
>
> Yes, you were stating the obvious. Someone might be serious about
> contributing, if for e.g., they have time on their hands, experience
> in developing quality products, and the will to spend it effectively
> towards a project, which ultimately may not pay off financially (since
> it is open source). In this case, I'm willing to demo the system and
> show them the code; that is the means by which interested *serious*
> contributors can decide if they want to help out, or work on other
> open source projects.
>
> Loose statements like "we will help to improve it" is not a sign of a
> serious contributor, in fact probably the opposite.
>
> Regards
> Rajeev J Sebastian
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 21:14:21 2010
From: rajeev.sebastian at gmail.com (Rajeev J Sebastian)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 00:44:21 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiksri42dzGwmkP-pjB=3f0E-UDy77skynUdS8XC@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
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On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Dark Seid <lorddaemon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> that is the means by which interested *serious*
>> contributors can decide if they want to help out, or work on other
>> open source projects.
>>
> Right. Let us know once it's available on bitbucket or github.

OK. Will do. Kthxbye.

Regards
Rajeev J Sebastian

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Tue Oct 26 06:50:37 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:20:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <1288009806.2261.262.camel@localhost>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
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On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 18:00 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 17:51 +0530, Rajeev J Sebastian wrote:
> > I'm currently developing a task/issue management system; Django
> based.
> > Currently I havent made it open source (need to improve further
> before
> > I do that), but I'm using it in production. 
> 
> open source it and we can help to improve it 

am serious about this - nothing like having a django based issue
tracker. And for an open source project there is no need to wait for
improvements before releasing it.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC


From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Tue Oct 26 06:54:34 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:24:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
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References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
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On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 23:22 +0530, Rajeev J Sebastian wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>
> wrote:
> > On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 17:51 +0530, Rajeev J Sebastian wrote:
> >> I'm currently developing a task/issue management system; Django
> based.
> >> Currently I havent made it open source (need to improve further
> before
> >> I do that), but I'm using it in production.
> >
> > open source it and we can help to improve it
> 
> Who exactly is 'we'? 

I and my team are definite - I am sure a lot of django guys on this list
will also pitch in.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC


From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Tue Oct 26 06:56:47 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:26:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikq0n4oxvAGtXacnuoj=3e5h8r7VV+1XzSZme4D@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
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On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 00:05 +0530, Vishal wrote:
> Also, if you its possible to shell out some money

pay money for software?? me???
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC


From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Tue Oct 26 07:00:47 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 10:30:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
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On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 00:32 +0530, Rajeev J Sebastian wrote:
> Yes, you were stating the obvious. Someone might be serious about
> contributing, if for e.g., they have time on their hands, experience
> in developing quality products, and the will to spend it effectively
> towards a project, which ultimately may not pay off financially (since
> it is open source). In this case, I'm willing to demo the system and
> show them the code; that is the means by which interested *serious*
> contributors can decide if they want to help out, or work on other
> open source projects.

I understand your problem - in India there are a lot of people who
'volunteer' to help and wind up giving useless armchair advice and doing
nothing

> 
> Loose statements like "we will help to improve it" is not a sign of a
> serious contributor, in fact probably the opposite. 

this is a chicken and egg situation - I for one will not contribute to a
project that is not open source. And I certainly will not answer a
question like: here is a demo - will you contribute if it is open
source? If it is open source, with a decent license and if I need to add
features or improve features to use it, I will try to contribute.
Otherwise I may just use it.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC


From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Oct 26 08:17:54 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 11:47:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimRq4=y++wu8sY3NZByGgu3RHKEA_53q8KzOsEp@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:33 AM, Dhananjay Nene <dhananjay.nene at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Assuming that most of the people here are mostly python enthusiasts or
> > learners, I'm wondering when you would *not* use Python. Let's not
> > conflate this with Open Source/Closed Source etc.
> >
> >
> Python is the language which has (what in business terms is coined as) the
> right of first refusal.
>
> ie. evaluate something whether it really makes sense in python, and if not
> in python then start exploring what else.
>
> The primary reasons which may encourage me to use a language other than
> python are :
>
> a. Need for raw CPU power. Yes there are a few of such use cases. When
> purely CPU driven and when you really really need the CPU badly (which is
> probably less than 5% cases) python performance is really poor.
> b. Need for high amounts of multithreading even while being largely CPU
> bound.
>
> Yes - both situations can be handled by escaping to C from python, but I
> would much rather handle these in Java (or languages based on JVM) rather
> than C unless I am in a very constrained hardware situation.
>
> On a separate note I do believe as we start heading towards the 32 core
> situation (say in 5 yrs time) - there better exist a better solution than
> the GIL :)
>
>
 I think we should move from the thinking that concurrency <= threading
 and move over to better solutions in languages like Python which have
 better ways of solving the concurrency problem than actually having to
 create OS level threads.

 If you look at it differently, concurrency is the real problem and
threading
 is just one approach to it which is kind of resource intensive and doesn't
 work great in Python due to the GIL. But instead of GIL bashing, one should
 look at other approaches to concurrency such as generator based
co-operative
 "threading" and also look at numerous other concurrency libraries in Python
 before deciding that going the way of actual threads is his solution.

 The following article by Michele Simionato tries to drive home the same
point.
 It is a good read, except the parts where he is trying to plug his
concurrency
 library into it :)

 http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=299551

 Python should go the direction shown by languages such as Erlang which has
 true user-space multitasking with light-weight "processes". It already has
 the infrastructure for it with generators etc but support for true
multitasking
 at user level should be part of the language rather than added on by
 third party libraries. Right now if one decides to explore Python
concurrency,
 the scene is truly confusing and a little scary, since there are too many
 approaches out there which also share a lot of similarities.

 Hopefully the "futures" have something to offer here :)

--Anand







>
> > --
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> > http://nibrahim.net.in
> >
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From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Tue Oct 26 09:01:18 2010
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 12:31:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] When *not* to use Python
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On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <
abpillai at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 7:33 AM, Dhananjay Nene <dhananjay.nene at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Assuming that most of the people here are mostly python enthusiasts or
> > > learners, I'm wondering when you would *not* use Python. Let's not
> > > conflate this with Open Source/Closed Source etc.
> > >
> > >
> > Python is the language which has (what in business terms is coined as)
> the
> > right of first refusal.
> >
> > ie. evaluate something whether it really makes sense in python, and if
> not
> > in python then start exploring what else.
> >
> > The primary reasons which may encourage me to use a language other than
> > python are :
> >
> > a. Need for raw CPU power. Yes there are a few of such use cases. When
> > purely CPU driven and when you really really need the CPU badly (which is
> > probably less than 5% cases) python performance is really poor.
> > b. Need for high amounts of multithreading even while being largely CPU
> > bound.
> >
> > Yes - both situations can be handled by escaping to C from python, but I
> > would much rather handle these in Java (or languages based on JVM) rather
> > than C unless I am in a very constrained hardware situation.
> >
> > On a separate note I do believe as we start heading towards the 32 core
> > situation (say in 5 yrs time) - there better exist a better solution than
> > the GIL :)
> >
> >
>  I think we should move from the thinking that concurrency <= threading
>  and move over to better solutions in languages like Python which have
>  better ways of solving the concurrency problem than actually having to
>  create OS level threads.
>

Threading is not the only solution to address concurrency but it is a valid
one. The only issue I have with the statement above is that it seems to
suggest that the move will address all use cases. It simply will not. At the
same time I do agree that imagining threading to be the one and only
solution to address concurrency is equally inadvisable.


>
>  If you look at it differently, concurrency is the real problem and
> threading
>  is just one approach to it which is kind of resource intensive and doesn't
>  work great in Python due to the GIL. But instead of GIL bashing, one
> should
>  look at other approaches to concurrency such as generator based
> co-operative
>  "threading" and also look at numerous other concurrency libraries in
> Python
>  before deciding that going the way of actual threads is his solution.
>

Here's an example of what I had done once for an extremely extremely high
performance application (million+ financial transactions per hour). There
were layers of caches (with some cache coordination to ensure consistency).
It was the high speed caches and cache access and which really helped
achieve that performance. And that was possible because I had a very large
number of threads sharing some of the caches (some caches were thread
level). I cannot imagine making such an application work in a multi process
environment. While I did not evaluate cooperative threading, I suspect that
would also introduce its own overheads.

When one really really needs threads, GIL sucks. What I am saying is that
GIL bashing is not unreasonable given the context of specific use cases (we
were discussing situations where one would prefer to not use python).


>
>  Python should go the direction shown by languages such as Erlang which has
>  true user-space multitasking with light-weight "processes". It already has
>  the infrastructure for it with generators etc but support for true
> multitasking
>  at user level should be part of the language rather than added on by
>  third party libraries. Right now if one decides to explore Python
> concurrency,
>  the scene is truly confusing and a little scary, since there are too many
>  approaches out there which also share a lot of similarities.
>
>
I agree (go down direction of light weight processes).


>  Hopefully the "futures" have something to offer here :)
>
> Once again agreed.


> --Anand
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > > --
> > > ~noufal
> > > http://nibrahim.net.in
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > BangPypers at python.org
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> >
>
>
>
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From orsenthil at gmail.com  Tue Oct 26 10:09:46 2010
From: orsenthil at gmail.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 13:39:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] FW: [Python-Dev] Python bug week-end : 20-21 November
Message-ID: <20101026080946.GA10037@remy>

On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:03:37PM +0200, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> The development team of the Python interpreter (a.k.a python-dev) is
> organizing a bug week-end on Saturday 20th and Sunday 21st of November.
> 
> We would like to encourage anyone who feels interested in participating
> to give it a try. Contributing to Python is much less intimidating than
> it sounds. You don't need to have previous experience with modifying
> the Python source; in fact bug days offer a good opportunity to learn
> the basics by asking questions and working on relatively simple bugs
> (see "how to get prepared" below). And most core developers are actual
> human beings!
> 
> How it happens
> --------------
> 
> The bug week-end will happen on the #python-dev IRC channel on the
> Freenode network, where several core developers routinely hang out. No
> physical meeting is scheduled as far as I know, but anyone is
> encouraged to organize one and announce it on the official Python
> channels such as this one.
> 
> Participants (you!) join #python-dev and collaboratively go through the
> Python issue tracker at http://bugs.python.org . From there, you can
> provide patches and/or review existing patches. Also, you can help us
> assess issues on any specific topic you have expertise in (the range of
> topics touched in the stdlib is quite broad and it is more than likely
> that the core developers' expertise is lacking in some of them).
> 
> Or, if you feel shy, you can simply watch other people work and
> slowly get more confident about participating yourself.
> Development is public and lurkers are welcome.
> 
> What you can work on
> ---------------------
> 
> Our expectation is that Python 3.2 beta 1 will have been released a
> couple of days before the bug week-end and, therefore, one primary goal
> is to polish the 3.2 branch for the following betas and the final
> release. There are many issues to choose from on the bug tracker; any
> bug fixes or documentation improvements will do. New features are
> discouraged: they can't be checked in before the official 3.2 release.
> 
> How to get prepared
> -------------------
> 
> If you are a beginner with the Python codebase, you may want to read the
> development guide available here (courtesy of Brian Curtin):
> http://docs.pythonsprints.com/core_development/beginners.html
> 
> There's a small practical guide to bug days/week-ends on the wiki:
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonBugDay
> 
> And the development FAQ holds answers to generic development questions:
> http://www.python.org/dev/faq/
> 
> You can also do all of the above during the bug week-end, of course.
> Please, don't hesitate to ask us questions on the #python-dev channel.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Antoine.
> 
> 
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and it was always snowing.

From sree at mahiti.org  Tue Oct 26 13:34:57 2010
From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 17:04:57 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <1288068637.2261.276.camel@localhost>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
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	<AANLkTikB+vkSKopyPvgW1no4T+qrBcm_v=+reKcTJyYk@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <AANLkTik8ATvn_XuLg+kwfa7wDc0uOoipvz5cAyF9_oBh@mail.gmail.com>

On 26 October 2010 10:20, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:

> On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 18:00 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> > On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 17:51 +0530, Rajeev J Sebastian wrote:
> > > I'm currently developing a task/issue management system; Django
> > based.
> > > Currently I havent made it open source (need to improve further
> > before
> > > I do that), but I'm using it in production.
> >
> > open source it and we can help to improve it
>
> am serious about this - nothing like having a django based issue
> tracker. And for an open source project there is no need to wait for
> improvements before releasing it.
>

+1.
If it provides, anything better than what http://pinaxproject.com/ has.
Or cannot we use Pinax and improve it?
- sree


> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Associate
> NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC
>
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#583, Vyalikaval HBCS Layout,
Nagawara, Veerannapalya,
Bangalore, India - 560043
Phone:  +91 80 4343 7373
Mobile:  +91 98455 12611
www.mahiti.org

From lorddaemon at gmail.com  Tue Oct 26 14:16:53 2010
From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Dark Seid)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 17:46:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <1288069247.2261.282.camel@localhost>
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	<AANLkTikB+vkSKopyPvgW1no4T+qrBcm_v=+reKcTJyYk@mail.gmail.com>
	<87fww1xonu.fsf@gmail.com> <1287567160.2261.48.camel@localhost>
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	<1287990655.2261.249.camel@localhost>
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>
> this is a chicken and egg situation - I for one will not contribute to a
> project that is not open source. And I certainly will not answer a
> question like: here is a demo - will you contribute if it is open
> source?
>
My point precisely. Thank you, Kenneth; in hindsight I did a rather bad job
of trying to express myself.

On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> this is a chicken and egg situation - I for one will not contribute to a
> project that is not open source. And I certainly will not answer a
> question like: here is a demo - will you contribute if it is open
> source?
>

From vid at svaksha.com  Tue Oct 26 14:38:15 2010
From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?4KWlIOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyDgpaUg?=)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 18:23:15 +0545
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <1287557493.2261.43.camel@localhost>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
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On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:36, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org> wrote:
> I had stopped using trac once I shifted to bitbucket - but now there is
> a requirement for a private system hosted on our own server.

http://www.koffice.org/kplato/

-- 
Regards,
vid ? http://svaksha.com

From ishan.chhabra at gmail.com  Tue Oct 26 20:54:13 2010
From: ishan.chhabra at gmail.com (ishan chhabra)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 00:24:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simplest way to do web programming in python.
Message-ID: <AANLkTim6TiHXS8FuXs5f9HzJ_m-JhxkCCqN_bfJzt0Kh@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I have a set of scripts in python that visualize a search result (produce an
image) given a query. I will be building a flash based interface (to surf
this visualized search space) to serve this over the web. I needed the most
basic web framework (no mvc and all cause i think it's an overkill) that
would help write a simple webapp that would interact with the flash
frontend. I don't need any persistance of data. The results are computed in
realtime. Please point me in some direction.
Thanks.

-- 
Regards,
Ishan Chhabra
3rd year, B.tech Computer Science and engineering
IIT Ropar

From ishan.chhabra at gmail.com  Tue Oct 26 21:21:48 2010
From: ishan.chhabra at gmail.com (ishan chhabra)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 00:51:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simplest way to do web programming in python.
Message-ID: <AANLkTik3fOX7TPjLfyG=x_dkJwyCsTwrUvm8VcmCi-8D@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I have a set of scripts in python that visualize a search result (produce an
image) given a query. I will be building a flash based interface (to surf
this visualized search space) to serve this over the web. I needed the most
basic web framework (no mvc and all cause i think it's an overkill) that
would help write a simple webapp that would interact with the flash
frontend. I don't need any persistance of data. The results are computed in
realtime. Please point me in some direction.
Thanks.

-- 
Regards,
Ishan Chhabra
3rd year, B.tech Computer Science and engineering
IIT Ropar

From pradeep at btbytes.com  Wed Oct 27 00:11:18 2010
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 18:11:18 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] Simplest way to do web programming in python.
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim6TiHXS8FuXs5f9HzJ_m-JhxkCCqN_bfJzt0Kh@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim6TiHXS8FuXs5f9HzJ_m-JhxkCCqN_bfJzt0Kh@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikA5sr=fwZ2ZjhCREY-z_4+GKHNz+LR3t3oMqJP@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:54 PM, ishan chhabra <ishan.chhabra at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I have a set of scripts in python that visualize a search result (produce an
> image) given a query. I will be building a flash based interface (to surf
> this visualized search space) to serve this over the web. I needed the most
> basic web framework (no mvc and all cause i think it's an overkill) that
> would help write a simple webapp that would interact with the flash
> frontend. I don't need any persistance of data. The results are computed in
> realtime. Please point me in some direction.

Web Framework: Flask http://flask.pocoo.org/
Flash Integration: PyAMF http://pyamf.org/

+PG

From avinashtm at gmail.com  Wed Oct 27 09:14:48 2010
From: avinashtm at gmail.com (Avinash TM)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 12:44:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] rss feed generation and combining mutilple xml files
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=2XqdtwhUVQOuD8d0jQ2C0_5B8MTtabfZp8vy6@mail.gmail.com>

*Rss feed generation : *

The following is the webpage (http://localhost/buttoncheck.php) which i have
created using simple php.
 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------


Please select from the following options to generate feeds
Retail
Transport
HealthCare
ColonK


---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Now i have four xml files like Retail.xml , Transport.xml , HealthCare.xml ,
ColonK.xml
So my problem is i don't know where to place the above xml files, and
in the above php view if we select some combination and click on Generate
feed button,
it should memorize my selection and club the xml files
(for ex: selection is Retail,Transport then it should club Retail.xml &
Transport.xml files into one single file).

So please anyone give a idea about how we can do it.
Whether it need any Python script to club two files.


-Avinash
90 36 35 2341

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Oct 27 09:43:35 2010
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 13:13:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <1288068637.2261.276.camel@localhost>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
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	<1287552141.2261.30.camel@localhost>
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	<AANLkTikB+vkSKopyPvgW1no4T+qrBcm_v=+reKcTJyYk@mail.gmail.com>
	<87fww1xonu.fsf@gmail.com> <1287567160.2261.48.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTi=iAnm4tdZCam7O4atrAM36v+f1FPte_-vBxiG0@mail.gmail.com>
	<1287990655.2261.249.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTim8B6VwhLvE2O0TeHD_xsNQMGUKtWHkzxB6h35g@mail.gmail.com>
	<1288009806.2261.262.camel@localhost>
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On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>wrote:

> On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 18:00 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> > On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 17:51 +0530, Rajeev J Sebastian wrote:
> > > I'm currently developing a task/issue management system; Django
> > based.
> > > Currently I havent made it open source (need to improve further
> > before
> > > I do that), but I'm using it in production.
> >
> > open source it and we can help to improve it
>
> am serious about this - nothing like having a django based issue
> tracker. And for an open source project there is no need to wait for
> improvements before releasing it.
>

It shouldn't be too difficult to implement one's own issue tracker
on Django. Maybe I will give it a try one day. I expect 1-2 week of
day-night hacking (coding) and it should be ready.

Only one problem - I dont have the motivation to do one right now :)


> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Senior Associate
> NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
--Anand

From lawgon at au-kbc.org  Thu Oct 28 03:18:24 2010
From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 06:48:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] task tracker and issue manager
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikSYzaG1nq0NcDuk0+MG13gJU9FLO068m1Vjua=@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1287551835.2261.29.camel@localhost>
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	<AANLkTikSYzaG1nq0NcDuk0+MG13gJU9FLO068m1Vjua=@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1288228704.2261.336.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 18:23 +0545, ? ?????? ? wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 12:36, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at au-kbc.org>
> wrote:
> > I had stopped using trac once I shifted to bitbucket - but now there
> is
> > a requirement for a private system hosted on our own server.
> 
> http://www.koffice.org/kplato/ 

I had asked for an online webapp written in python (at least I think I
did)
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves
Senior Associate
NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC


From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Oct 28 15:31:18 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 19:01:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Simplest way to do web programming in python.
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim6TiHXS8FuXs5f9HzJ_m-JhxkCCqN_bfJzt0Kh@mail.gmail.com>
	(ishan chhabra's message of "Wed, 27 Oct 2010 00:24:13 +0530")
References: <AANLkTim6TiHXS8FuXs5f9HzJ_m-JhxkCCqN_bfJzt0Kh@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87eibatpeh.fsf@gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 27 2010, ishan chhabra wrote:

> Hi all,
> I have a set of scripts in python that visualize a search result (produce an
> image) given a query. I will be building a flash based interface (to surf
> this visualized search space) to serve this over the web. I needed the most
> basic web framework (no mvc and all cause i think it's an overkill) that
> would help write a simple webapp that would interact with the flash
> frontend. I don't need any persistance of data. The results are computed in
> realtime. Please point me in some direction.
> Thanks.

If it's lightweight and something you just want to get out of your hair,
I'd use CGI.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From pradeep at btbytes.com  Thu Oct 28 15:50:00 2010
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 09:50:00 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] Simplest way to do web programming in python.
In-Reply-To: <87eibatpeh.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim6TiHXS8FuXs5f9HzJ_m-JhxkCCqN_bfJzt0Kh@mail.gmail.com>
	<87eibatpeh.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinRm7XozW6szsMfcc3EZnftQVxSS=Xr1h+rPFfT@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 27 2010, ishan chhabra wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I have a set of scripts in python that visualize a search result (produce an
>> image) given a query. I will be building a flash based interface (to surf
>> this visualized search space) to serve this over the web. I needed the most
>> basic web framework (no mvc and all cause i think it's an overkill) that
>> would help write a simple webapp that would interact with the flash
>> frontend. I don't need any persistance of data. The results are computed in
>> realtime. Please point me in some direction.
>> Thanks.
>
> If it's lightweight and something you just want to get out of your hair,
> I'd use CGI.

I'd strongly recommend against CGI.
There is no practical reasons  to do CGI programming in 2010.

+PG

From gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 18:52:56 2010
From: gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com (Gopalakrishnan Subramani)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 22:22:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] ZeroMQ & Python
Message-ID: <AANLkTimz=e5FHD-oApi1f0V9ToZXg+7ewchc6NhFEpLZ@mail.gmail.com>

Anybody had experience in using ZeroMQ? I heard that AMQP has flaw in the
design through news posting. When I want to make independent applications
who works based on message queue, it is worth considering ZeroMQ?

Regards,

Krish

From pradeep at btbytes.com  Sat Oct 30 19:17:02 2010
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 13:17:02 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] ZeroMQ & Python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimz=e5FHD-oApi1f0V9ToZXg+7ewchc6NhFEpLZ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimz=e5FHD-oApi1f0V9ToZXg+7ewchc6NhFEpLZ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinHka+Vg-7d-G9Eio1AcvP-h6HTZD1QWfE8W3e0@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Gopalakrishnan Subramani
<gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com> wrote:
> Anybody had experience in using ZeroMQ? I heard that AMQP has flaw in the
> design through news posting. When I want to make independent applications
> who works based on message queue, it is worth considering ZeroMQ?

I am using ZeroMQ.
But, without knowing what is that you want to do with Message Queues, it is
difficult to argue for or against ZMQ/AMQP.

ZeroMQ API is very  simple and zeromq itself is trivial to setup
(No erlang dependency like RabbitMQ etc.,
it can be installed with standard ./configure && make && make install ).
Why don't you try a scaled downprototype of your app and share the findings.

I could not have used other MQs like RabbitMQ because of hardware limitations.
I'm using ZMQ (XREQ/XREP) to queue up read/write message to a hardware device.

+PG

From gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com  Sat Oct 30 19:54:59 2010
From: gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com (Gopalakrishnan Subramani)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 23:24:59 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] ZeroMQ & Python
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinHka+Vg-7d-G9Eio1AcvP-h6HTZD1QWfE8W3e0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimz=e5FHD-oApi1f0V9ToZXg+7ewchc6NhFEpLZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinHka+Vg-7d-G9Eio1AcvP-h6HTZD1QWfE8W3e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinr80i7UxjGLc5y+uChtVRLeXy4HS_Fs0z95V-4@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for detail. I want to use the queuing service for my aggregator
platform where there are set of applications running on different machines
and I need to send some tasks to perform. The tasks could be re-index the
search db or remove an entry from all the data stores (cache, MySqlDB, Redis
and Tyrant).

I had bad experience with RabbitMQ when I used it along with celery project.
When the system fails some times, there seems to be error and the error
messages written to the dump and we need to kill some processes and
reinstall RabbitMQ.

I read that ZeroMQ doesn't support persistent. What is the good way to
handle the persistent in ZeroMQ?

Regards,

Krish

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Pradeep Gowda <pradeep at btbytes.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Gopalakrishnan Subramani
> <gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Anybody had experience in using ZeroMQ? I heard that AMQP has flaw in the
> > design through news posting. When I want to make independent applications
> > who works based on message queue, it is worth considering ZeroMQ?
>
> I am using ZeroMQ.
> But, without knowing what is that you want to do with Message Queues, it is
> difficult to argue for or against ZMQ/AMQP.
>
> ZeroMQ API is very  simple and zeromq itself is trivial to setup
> (No erlang dependency like RabbitMQ etc.,
> it can be installed with standard ./configure && make && make install ).
> Why don't you try a scaled downprototype of your app and share the
> findings.
>
> I could not have used other MQs like RabbitMQ because of hardware
> limitations.
> I'm using ZMQ (XREQ/XREP) to queue up read/write message to a hardware
> device.
>
> +PG
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From avinashtm at gmail.com  Sun Oct 31 12:42:12 2010
From: avinashtm at gmail.com (Avinash TM)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 17:12:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Access xml file form python script
Message-ID: <AANLkTimv5f_RV50AxSaAuJCrwXWmzKoUQdQs=JYxaHh0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I have created a simple xml document i.e., preferences.xml as follows

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<object>
  <object name="category" value="cricket">
   <property name="title">Cricket</property>
   <property name="subscribers">
    <element name="avinash"/>
<element name="prashant"/>
   </property>
  </object>
</object>



Now i want to access the above data from a python script.
I gone through some websites. But not getting actual idea.
Should i use any data structures ( Lists, Dictionary, Tuples) in my python
script.
Can anybody help me

Thanks & Regards
Avinash

From noufal at gmail.com  Sun Oct 31 14:17:40 2010
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:47:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Access xml file form python script
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimv5f_RV50AxSaAuJCrwXWmzKoUQdQs=JYxaHh0@mail.gmail.com>
	(Avinash TM's message of "Sun, 31 Oct 2010 17:12:12 +0530")
References: <AANLkTimv5f_RV50AxSaAuJCrwXWmzKoUQdQs=JYxaHh0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <871v767b7v.fsf@gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 31 2010, Avinash TM wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I have created a simple xml document i.e., preferences.xml as follows
>
> <?xml version="1.0"?>
> <object>
>   <object name="category" value="cricket">
>    <property name="title">Cricket</property>
>    <property name="subscribers">
>     <element name="avinash"/>
> <element name="prashant"/>
>    </property>
>   </object>
> </object>

[...]

The elementree module can help you parse this. Docs available here
http://docs.python.org/library/xml.etree.elementtree.html

However, this looks like configuration options of some kind so you might
be better off using the .ini file format and ConfigParser module 
http://docs.python.org/library/configparser.html



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From thesujit at gmail.com  Sun Oct 31 14:29:24 2010
From: thesujit at gmail.com (Sujit Ghosal)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 18:59:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Access xml file form python script
In-Reply-To: <871v767b7v.fsf@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimv5f_RV50AxSaAuJCrwXWmzKoUQdQs=JYxaHh0@mail.gmail.com>
	<871v767b7v.fsf@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik3DB4L726dcSo04ks7roF-7Ug=ZRD7bVefPZ8M@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Avinash,
    Expat module can be used to fetch the elements out of the XML document.

Hope that helps.

- Sujit

On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 31 2010, Avinash TM wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have created a simple xml document i.e., preferences.xml as follows
> >
> > <?xml version="1.0"?>
> > <object>
> >   <object name="category" value="cricket">
> >    <property name="title">Cricket</property>
> >    <property name="subscribers">
> >     <element name="avinash"/>
> > <element name="prashant"/>
> >    </property>
> >   </object>
> > </object>
>
> [...]
>
> The elementree module can help you parse this. Docs available here
> http://docs.python.org/library/xml.etree.elementtree.html
>
> However, this looks like configuration options of some kind so you might
> be better off using the .ini file format and ConfigParser module
> http://docs.python.org/library/configparser.html
>
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
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> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From pradeep at btbytes.com  Sun Oct 31 20:24:18 2010
From: pradeep at btbytes.com (Pradeep Gowda)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 15:24:18 -0400
Subject: [BangPypers] Access xml file form python script
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimv5f_RV50AxSaAuJCrwXWmzKoUQdQs=JYxaHh0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimv5f_RV50AxSaAuJCrwXWmzKoUQdQs=JYxaHh0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikK+xsbJTdzRZoh2s2F1TawpUXN8DsZgUczqAd-@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Avinash TM <avinashtm at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have created a simple xml document i.e., preferences.xml as follows
>
> <?xml version="1.0"?>
> <object>
> ?<object name="category" value="cricket">
> ? <property name="title">Cricket</property>
> ? <property name="subscribers">
> ? ?<element name="avinash"/>
> <element name="prashant"/>
> ? </property>
> ?</object>
> </object>

This looks like xml generated by a Microsoft product, and not by/for a human..

How is this better than:

<options>
 <category name="cricket" title="Cricket">
  <subscribers>
    <subscriber name="Avinash" />
    <subsriber name="Prashanth" />
  </subscribers>
 </category>
</options>

Why create child nodes when attributes are sufficient?

+PG