[BangPypers] [commercial] python/django training

[Ramdas S]

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:28 AM, ॥ स्वक्ष ॥ <vid at svaksha.com> wrote:

> On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 11:27, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> [.....]
> > If you want to offer training free, do it for a community that deserves.
> Go
> > to engineering colleges or schools, and organize a workshop or two,
> create a
> > few pythonistas there.
>
> I am a little stunned after reading the above. Setting aside the 'free
> vs non-free debate', are you implying that people who are not studying
> in "engineering colleges or schools are a community that dont deserve
> Django training" and/or are incapable of learning it? I am not quite
> sure what exactly your point here is, but your last para above
> definitely smacks of ageism** -- something very commonly practiced in
> India but few will admit it openly. Free software reverses all
> cognitive bias'es (with respect to the individual's a(p)ttitude to
> learning) and being an employer yourself, I hope you dont really mean
> that people outside a University/College environment are not a worthy
> community. Has it crossed your mind that the OP (Kenneth) offering the
> training hardly would fall in the community category that you
> claim/believe deserves support. This thread went OT a long time ago
> but I didnt expect to see an ageism bias on a Python list. Its just
> not funny.
>
> ** Fwiw, its not uncommon to see many Indian Universities and colleges
> advertising admission cut-off requirements, say, "age limit 25 years
> for Masters", etc... Essentially, that leaves people outside their
> teens (or early twenties) who want to learn at the mercy of distance
> education which has no value in the eyes of an employer. Its a catch22
> situation.
>
>
I am sorry to say, but I guess you are reading too much into what I had
written, and using your vivid imagination to come with ideas which was never
implied.

The only point I wanted to drive to the gentleman who said he will offer
free training, that any* service offered freely* has* no value* in *our
society*. If someone needs *to do charit*y, then do it a community that
probably deserves, not to a bunch of software professionals, who has means
and ways of paying for it. I am of this firm opinion and from my own little
experience in the past. I suggested student community because an average
student needs to depend on scholarships or parent's income to learn
something more. If there are communities outside students, that deserves
please go ahead. I *never made an exclusive statement *of schools and
colleges.

Kenneth as I understand is *offering nothing free*. He is charging*
25,000*for mentoring someone to be a Django/Python developer spending
his personal
time, energy and sharing his vast experience. He says exercise would take
1-3  months. Personally I feel he's charging low, but I am sure he has his
economics right!

It *does not in anyway make it a community* effort.  Kenneth  or anyone in
this list has any such notion, or even making any such claims. I am not able
to understand where you formed such an opinion that we are passing this off
as a community effort. No we are not, and as far as I see there's *commercial
in square brackets* in the subject of the mail.

However if a few more experienced hands like Kenneth comes forward and
creates a few more Python developers it would help the community. This I am
very clear.

He is offering  a service, and he is expecting to be paid for it! It's no
different from a service offered by some one else or by you or me.