From subhodipbiswas at gmail.com  Sat Sep  3 20:07:41 2011
From: subhodipbiswas at gmail.com (Subhodip Biswas)
Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 23:37:41 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Python][Hudson][Tests] Problems - help needed
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On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Subhodip Biswas
<subhodipbiswas at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Senthil,
>
> Thanks for the information.
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Senthil Kumaran <senthil at uthcode.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 03:20:58PM +0530, Subhodip Biswas wrote:
>>> What I did is : easy_install someModule.
>>> So now in my eclipse install I can see these modules and use them accordingly.
>>> If i am trying to build the same from a different machine. I need
>>> these to be configured right in a way that normal jython mymodule.py
>>> works.
>>
>> Well, if you can carry those modules along to new server that would
>> resolve your dependencies. ?The other option is to create a
>> virtualenv. I believe there is an option to create a virtualevn for
>> jython interpreter too and in which case all your dependencies are
>> installed within that environment.
>>
>> On anymachine that you want to execute, you have to create that setup.
>>
>>> In java we generally attach the libs in the classpath and build using
>>> ant. What do i do in case of jython? write an ant file doing the
>>> same(pyanttasks) or is there another way to do so?
>>
>> Yes, you can write an Ant task to build your project for Jython.

Can you point me to some docs regarding this. I tried to write a build
xml using pyanttasks but even after a lot of headbang the build.xml
failed to compile.

An ant -v says it cannot find my python executable. Is there a way I
can point it to my jython executable.

>> Even this seems interesting:
>> https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Jython+Plugin
>>
>>> Can you point me to the some docs where i can look for the same? my
>>> google search does not provide me any good results. My current hudson
>>> successfully located the file but is unable to show me any reports
>>> based the junit type xml files.
>>
>> Look at how pytest is being tested.
>>
>> http://hudson.testrun.org/view/pytest/job/pytest/
>>
>> They are running py.test and with xdist plugin. py.test has an option
>> to generate junit.xml style output. Once that is generated,
>> jenkins/hudson is pointed to the xml and it can generate the report
>> automatically.
>>
>> I am not sure why you went with Jython in the first place, but if it
>> was just for interfacing with Hudson, then the above pytest example
>> should convey a message that jython is NOT a requirement for
>> building software/running tests and generating reports.
>> If you would like to start small, then I would suggest you to write
>> py.test test, execute it and get the junit xml output and then point
>> it to your jenkins/hudson and see the report. If this works, then you
>> can go ahead try for your task.
>>
> My main app is in java. I wrote few code in java but somehow I felt
> python is better (lots of good libs). since there were few java
> dependencies I finally settled for jython(best of both worlds).
>
> Everything were good until it came to produce some trending reports. I
> thought of buildbot but system already has Hudson/Jenkins in place. So
> I have to integrate the whole system to hudson and this is where I got
> stuck.
>
> I will look into the information you gave and in case of any problem I
> will bug the list even more :-)
>
> Thanks again for the information.
>
>> Thanks,
>> Senthil
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>

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From subhodipbiswas at gmail.com  Mon Sep  5 12:16:57 2011
From: subhodipbiswas at gmail.com (Subhodip Biswas)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 15:46:57 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Jython][CLASSPATH] Unable to set classpath/execute
	modules
Message-ID: <CAAs13Szw0d5ZWK-zGtcqJ3xq7ECoMSr+jLZJw02-T6Ata1EnEQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Last few days of banging my head with Jenkins/Hudson, I finally got a
solution. It is to execute with nosetests --xunit style reporting. I
wrote a code that will look for nosetests and if not present it will
install.

However while trying to test nosetests on my windows(ofc provided
this, I would have loved to use a linux box) machine, I ran into a
problem.
I set JYTHON_HOME = \path\to\jython
and I set JYTHON_HOME\bin for all commands like pip, easy_install, etc.

While basic jython is working fine. While trying to execute I get

C:\pip
'pip' is not recognized as an internal command or external command...........

error.

What can possibly go wrong here. I double checked my directory setting
and stuff and it looks good.
I installed pip using the command "jython ez_setup pip"

Is there a possiblity of installation getting corrupted? How do i
check for such an issue.

Any kind of help will be appreciated. My learning experience with
hudson and jython is getting tough :-(




-------------
Regards
Subhodip Biswas


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From senthil at uthcode.com  Mon Sep  5 16:32:46 2011
From: senthil at uthcode.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 22:32:46 +0800
Subject: [BangPypers] [Jython][CLASSPATH] Unable to set
 classpath/execute modules
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Message-ID: <20110905143245.GA2166@mathmagic>

On Mon, Sep 05, 2011 at 03:46:57PM +0530, Subhodip Biswas wrote:
> While basic jython is working fine. While trying to execute I get

That is because jython is your PATH  or you executed jython from the
same same directory as binary.

> C:\pip
> 'pip' is not recognized as an internal command or external command...........

Is pip in your PATH? Restart the windows cmd.exe, because PATH
settings take effect only at new cmd.exe session.


> Is there a possiblity of installation getting corrupted? How do i
> check for such an issue.

No, I don't think so. It is just a PATH issue. In the Jython tutorial,
there is a section on installation. Make sure that you have follow it
appropriately.

Note that you have JYTHONHOME ( is there any _ there?) and JYTHONPATH
is set properly along with your system PATH which points to the
correct binary.

> Any kind of help will be appreciated. My learning experience with
> hudson and jython is getting tough :-(

It seems to me a PATH issue. If you still have problems, hang around
#python or #jython in IRC and you may definitely get real time help as
it is just a starting trouble. People may be more than willing to get
you started. :-)

Thanks,
Senthil

From senthil at uthcode.com  Mon Sep  5 16:41:24 2011
From: senthil at uthcode.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 22:41:24 +0800
Subject: [BangPypers] [Python][Hudson][Tests] Problems - help needed
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On Sat, Sep 03, 2011 at 11:37:41PM +0530, Subhodip Biswas wrote:

> Can you point me to some docs regarding this. I tried to write a build
> xml using pyanttasks but even after a lot of headbang the build.xml
> failed to compile.

http://www.jython.org/jythonbook/en/1.0/DeploymentTargets.html#deploying-a-single-jar

http://ant.apache.org/manual/using.html

I have not written an build.xml myself from scratch, but I believe, I
have modified for some project. A friend with Java experience can help
you. It seems to me that it more of PATH problem than anything else.

HTH,
Senthil

From lorddaemon at gmail.com  Mon Sep  5 21:30:18 2011
From: lorddaemon at gmail.com (Sidu Ponnappa)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 01:00:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Python][Hudson][Tests] Problems - help needed
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You may want to consider using make or rake FWIW - medium to long
term, they are far easier to manage than ant, maven etc.

Best,
Sidu.
http://c42.in

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Senthil Kumaran <senthil at uthcode.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 03, 2011 at 11:37:41PM +0530, Subhodip Biswas wrote:
>
>> Can you point me to some docs regarding this. I tried to write a build
>> xml using pyanttasks but even after a lot of headbang the build.xml
>> failed to compile.
>
> http://www.jython.org/jythonbook/en/1.0/DeploymentTargets.html#deploying-a-single-jar
>
> http://ant.apache.org/manual/using.html
>
> I have not written an build.xml myself from scratch, but I believe, I
> have modified for some project. A friend with Java experience can help
> you. It seems to me that it more of PATH problem than anything else.
>
> HTH,
> Senthil
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From akm.mail at gmail.com  Tue Sep  6 14:23:17 2011
From: akm.mail at gmail.com (akm)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 17:53:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python Jobs at Cognizant Cochin
Message-ID: <CABKD3+rjBg9hLPgu+2idnjAo+sP36sVPsu7Ec3Sfnom_k+HRDA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

Currently we are looking for candidates who are experienced Python
Developer to join our centre in Cochin.
If you are interested to explore this career opportunity, please send
your resume for further discussions with us.

See the Job descriptions below:

Python Development Engineer:

Required Qualifications

?	2+ Year of Python development experience
?	Have at least an intermediate understanding of Linux, specifically
when it comes to web hosting. Experience setting up, tuning, and
serving web content with at least one web server.
?	Demonstrated knowledge in and experience with industry best
practices including unit testing, functional testing, continuous
integration, code coverage, source control, automated reporting,
coding standards, etc. TDD/TDM experience a plus
?	Must be an extremely good communicator both verbally & written
?	Strong technical ability

Preferred Qualifications
?	HTML, Django experience
?	JSON/XML/XSD experience
?	XQuery/XPath
?	Subversion
?	Memcached and Redis
?	Distributed message queues



Thanks,
Abdul Kader M

From vishnuprasadgaddam at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 07:25:32 2011
From: vishnuprasadgaddam at gmail.com (vishnu prasad)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:55:32 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Can any one update the venue meet of user group
	meeting ?
Message-ID: <CAEa7Qp388WBt_a=hmJfrcrvuy9Om6Z0-1ORDY5aS9R6upc4Eog@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings from Vishnu Prasad
>

   Please anyone can update the venue details date and time ?

  they charge any registration fees ? how many members can attend ?



thanks and regards

vishnu prasad gaddam

From akarsh.sanghi at gmail.com  Mon Sep 12 16:04:26 2011
From: akarsh.sanghi at gmail.com (AKARSH SANGHI)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 19:34:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] (no subject)
Message-ID: <CAM2QRP_4W9JtsT-p4abj_QvKnE3hHjEzu_+BYkhyOspL4R8YtQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, here's a great video with Python in it.

http://youtu.be/1lBeungEnx4

Although it's also about matlab.

-- 

Akarsh Sanghi
Jaypee Institute of Information Technology University
Undergraduate Student Class of 2013
Mob: (+91)-9818489945
Email: akarsh.sanghi at gmail.com

From loksmail at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 13 06:31:10 2011
From: loksmail at yahoo.com (Lokesh L)
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:31:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
Message-ID: <1315888270.92569.YahooMailNeo@web121018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hi,
?
I would like to introduce myself as Lokesh from Talent Acquisation - Yahoo!
?
Yahoo! is the premier digital media company. We deliver your world, your way by creating deeply personal digital experiences that keep more than half a billion people connected to what matters most - across devices and around the globe. And it's the Yahoos behind the scenes who make this all possible. We are energetic, idea- driven people who are passionate about shaping the futher of the digital world. So if this sounds like you, come show us what you've got
?
Yahoo! is currently looking for passionate professionals in the following areas:

1. Front End Engineers with strong Javascript, HTML & CSS with any of?the server side programming.
2. Principal Engineers with strong core Java or C++ , DS & Algos, Exposure on large scale or Distributed systems.
3. Principal Engineers, QE with strong white box testing experience - Java or C++
4. Tech Lead, Perl development.
?
If interesting do share this info within your network for getting some?potential references.
?
For more details on the requirements, please feel free to get in touch with me on lokeshl at yahoo-inc.com or reach me on 97419 27419
?
-????????? Lokesh

From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 07:32:24 2011
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:02:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
In-Reply-To: <1315888270.92569.YahooMailNeo@web121018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	(Lokesh L.'s message of "Mon, 12 Sep 2011 21:31:10 -0700 (PDT)")
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Message-ID: <87r53lc8if.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>


Lokesh,

This post has nothing to do with Python. Why are you sending it to a
Python list? 

Lokesh L <loksmail at yahoo.com> writes:

> Hi,
> ?
> I would like to introduce myself as Lokesh from Talent Acquisation - Yahoo!
> ?
> Yahoo! is the premier digital media company. We deliver your world, your way by creating deeply personal digital experiences that keep more than half a billion people connected to what matters most - across devices and around the globe. And it's the Yahoos behind the scenes who make this all possible. We are energetic, idea- driven people who are passionate about shaping the futher of the digital world. So if this sounds like you, come show us what you've got
> ?
> Yahoo! is currently looking for passionate professionals in the following areas:
>
> 1. Front End Engineers with strong Javascript, HTML & CSS with any of?the server side programming.
> 2. Principal Engineers with strong core Java or C++ , DS & Algos, Exposure on large scale or Distributed systems.
> 3. Principal Engineers, QE with strong white box testing experience - Java or C++
> 4. Tech Lead, Perl development.
> ?
> If interesting do share this info within your network for getting some?potential references.
> ?
> For more details on the requirements, please feel free to get in touch with me on lokeshl at yahoo-inc.com or reach me on 97419 27419
> ?
> -????????? Lokesh
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

I'll give you a definite maybe. -Samuel Goldwyn

From gora at mimirtech.com  Tue Sep 13 08:21:16 2011
From: gora at mimirtech.com (Gora Mohanty)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:51:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
In-Reply-To: <87r53lc8if.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
References: <1315888270.92569.YahooMailNeo@web121018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<87r53lc8if.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
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On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Lokesh,
>
> This post has nothing to do with Python. Why are you sending it to a
> Python list?
[...]

I hear that they have an opening for a CEO. Maybe that
person could introduce Python to Y!

Regards,
Gora

From ramkrsna at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 08:48:12 2011
From: ramkrsna at gmail.com (Ramakrishna Reddy)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:18:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
In-Reply-To: <CACiMRG++F_nLvxXDnAC91ZOtXoei7go60afeWeFCKjigOg12xw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1315888270.92569.YahooMailNeo@web121018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<87r53lc8if.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CACiMRG++F_nLvxXDnAC91ZOtXoei7go60afeWeFCKjigOg12xw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOMzwmExRMTO7TCAKxiZFOT4hT0MAtuo_Xoz-i=j-Y+7tb3gNQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Gora Mohanty <gora at mimirtech.com> wrote:

> I hear that they have an opening for a CEO. Maybe that
> person could introduce Python to Y!

Too late, last I heard the Y! board was trying to rope in Homer Jay
Simpson for the position.

regards
-- 
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From senthil at uthcode.com  Tue Sep 13 09:01:13 2011
From: senthil at uthcode.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:01:13 +0800
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
In-Reply-To: <CAOMzwmExRMTO7TCAKxiZFOT4hT0MAtuo_Xoz-i=j-Y+7tb3gNQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1315888270.92569.YahooMailNeo@web121018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<87r53lc8if.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CACiMRG++F_nLvxXDnAC91ZOtXoei7go60afeWeFCKjigOg12xw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOMzwmExRMTO7TCAKxiZFOT4hT0MAtuo_Xoz-i=j-Y+7tb3gNQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPOVWOTbtC4mAbM4Ht1ssuu6upJYYZ5yndmqt89vb9OG26LJjg@mail.gmail.com>

Guys,

Let's keep it technical, they seem to look for perl guys and perhaps a
python developers are useful for them too.
Of course, any good company would think that good python programmers
can be good (any language) programmers too. AFAIK, Y! is one such.

-- 
Senthil

>On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Ramakrishna Reddy <ramkrsna at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Gora Mohanty <gora at mimirtech.com> wrote:
>
>> I hear that they have an opening for a CEO. Maybe that
>> person could introduce Python to Y!
>
> Too late, last I heard the Y! board was trying to rope in Homer Jay
> Simpson for the position.
>

From sree at mahiti.org  Tue Sep 13 09:15:00 2011
From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:45:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
In-Reply-To: <CAPOVWOTbtC4mAbM4Ht1ssuu6upJYYZ5yndmqt89vb9OG26LJjg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1315888270.92569.YahooMailNeo@web121018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<87r53lc8if.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CACiMRG++F_nLvxXDnAC91ZOtXoei7go60afeWeFCKjigOg12xw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOMzwmExRMTO7TCAKxiZFOT4hT0MAtuo_Xoz-i=j-Y+7tb3gNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPOVWOTbtC4mAbM4Ht1ssuu6upJYYZ5yndmqt89vb9OG26LJjg@mail.gmail.com>
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On 13 September 2011 12:31, Senthil Kumaran <senthil at uthcode.com> wrote:

> Guys,
>
> Let's keep it technical, they seem to look for perl guys and perhaps a
> python developers are useful for them too.
> Of course, any good company would think that good python programmers
> can be good (any language) programmers too. AFAIK, Y! is one such.
>
> That is not evident in their post. I think people should respect the list
users when posting. In Python is not mentioned as a skill set, then this
list should not be used for those wildcard job offers.

- sree

From lawgon at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 09:16:23 2011
From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:46:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
In-Reply-To: <CAD=RLAjnEbdW0uJOswJEv5iXZ0w1ZC=QkW9fwxDgqWbQ=_x+CQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1315888270.92569.YahooMailNeo@web121018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<87r53lc8if.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CACiMRG++F_nLvxXDnAC91ZOtXoei7go60afeWeFCKjigOg12xw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 12:45 +0530, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote:
> > Let's keep it technical, they seem to look for perl guys and perhaps
> a
> > python developers are useful for them too.
> > Of course, any good company would think that good python programmers
> > can be good (any language) programmers too. AFAIK, Y! is one such.
> >
> > That is not evident in their post. I think people should respect the
> list
> users when posting. In Python is not mentioned as a skill set, then
> this
> list should not be used for those wildcard job offers. 

+1
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From goldkeshava.88 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 09:22:39 2011
From: goldkeshava.88 at gmail.com (keshava M)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:52:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
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Sir
          I am Keshava M, presently doing M.Sc(engg) in Biotechnology/Bio
informatics at PESIT, Bangalore. my research work is based on protein x-ray
crystallography files using python language. I  need your help in finishing
this project. If possible please give me your contact number so i will get
more information and knowledge about the language and it will help me in
finishing the project.

Thanking you
KESHAVA M

On 13 September 2011 12:46, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 12:45 +0530, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote:
> > > Let's keep it technical, they seem to look for perl guys and perhaps
> > a
> > > python developers are useful for them too.
> > > Of course, any good company would think that good python programmers
> > > can be good (any language) programmers too. AFAIK, Y! is one such.
> > >
> > > That is not evident in their post. I think people should respect the
> > list
> > users when posting. In Python is not mentioned as a skill set, then
> > this
> > list should not be used for those wildcard job offers.
>
> +1
> --
> regards
> Kenneth Gonsalves
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 09:38:25 2011
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 13:08:25 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
In-Reply-To: <CAPOVWOTbtC4mAbM4Ht1ssuu6upJYYZ5yndmqt89vb9OG26LJjg@mail.gmail.com>
	(Senthil Kumaran's message of "Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:01:13 +0800")
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Senthil Kumaran <senthil at uthcode.com> writes:

> Guys,
>
> Let's keep it technical, they seem to look for perl guys and perhaps a
> python developers are useful for them too.  Of course, any good
> company would think that good python programmers can be good (any
> language) programmers too. AFAIK, Y! is one such.

Sorry. I don't buy that. 

If a general Python person like you or some of the other regulars on
this list who contributes otherwise mails it asking for programmers in
other languages, It's somewhat justified. 

If the HR person of a large company (who doesn't participate otherwise)
uses a public mailing list (like this) to advertise job openings in
their company, it's abuse and spamming. I'd hate for a place like this
to become a hunting ground for these people.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

Some bird populations soaring down -Headline of an article in Science News, page 126, February 20, 1993.

From senthil at uthcode.com  Tue Sep 13 10:44:13 2011
From: senthil at uthcode.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 16:44:13 +0800
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
In-Reply-To: <87sjo0c2oe.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
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On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Let's keep it technical, they seem to look for perl guys and perhaps a
>> python developers are useful for them too. ?Of course, any good
>> company would think that good python programmers can be good (any
>> language) programmers too. AFAIK, Y! is one such.
>
> If the HR person of a large company (who doesn't participate otherwise)
> uses a public mailing list (like this) to advertise job openings in

I agree that the email was misdirected and I had no issues with your
first question how it it was related with Python. Would have waited
for the OP to answer.
But that does not mean that we talk about business and ridicule a
company.  That IMO does not make a healthy environment.

-- 
Senthil

From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 10:47:42 2011
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 14:17:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
In-Reply-To: <CAPOVWORcO3XYZV-R-qtko7fcGH7OpYzrS8=mFM3+GKxbKWEnQw@mail.gmail.com>
	(Senthil Kumaran's message of "Tue, 13 Sep 2011 16:44:13 +0800")
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Senthil Kumaran <senthil at uthcode.com> writes:


[...]

> I agree that the email was misdirected and I had no issues with your
> first question how it it was related with Python. Would have waited
> for the OP to answer.  But that does not mean that we talk about
> business and ridicule a company.  That IMO does not make a healthy
> environment.

Perhaps not but then again, this is an open list. Not a place where we
have to unduly worry about political correctness. YMMV.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

Parting is such sweet sorrow. -William Shakespeare

From b.ghose at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 11:04:48 2011
From: b.ghose at gmail.com (Baishampayan Ghose)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 14:34:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
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On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Senthil Kumaran <senthil at uthcode.com> wrote:
> I agree that the email was misdirected and I had no issues with your
> first question how it it was related with Python. Would have waited
> for the OP to answer.
> But that does not mean that we talk about business and ridicule a
> company. ?That IMO does not make a healthy environment.

In general, the posters of such emails will _never_ answer because
they are not reading the list anyway.

Even yesterday, someone sent a similar spam to the IPSS list. I sent a
long email explaining why it's a malpractice and received an apology
from the CEO. I am not sure if anyone from Y! will respond though...

Regards,
BG

-- 
Baishampayan Ghose
b.ghose at gmail.com

From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 11:18:57 2011
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 14:48:57 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
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On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Baishampayan Ghose <b.ghose at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Senthil Kumaran <senthil at uthcode.com>
> wrote:
> > I agree that the email was misdirected and I had no issues with your
> > first question how it it was related with Python. Would have waited
> > for the OP to answer.
> > But that does not mean that we talk about business and ridicule a
> > company.  That IMO does not make a healthy environment.
>
> In general, the posters of such emails will _never_ answer because
> they are not reading the list anyway.
>
> Even yesterday, someone sent a similar spam to the IPSS list. I sent a
> long email explaining why it's a malpractice and received an apology
> from the CEO. I am not sure if anyone from Y! will respond though...
>
>
OK. Someone from Y! is responding now...

To put the matter straight, Lokesh works in TA at Y! and
he had asked my help to post an opening in the list. I mentioned
that this is a Python list, but scripting languages like Perl, Python
etc do have a lot of similarities  (Ask me, I am a Python coder at
heart but right now my bread is coming through Perl here).  A lot
of the skills at a high level are quite similar whether finally you
end up coding in Python, Perl or PHP.

My thinking in this was similar to Senthil's, I didn't expect this to
be an emotional issue here.

HTH.


> Regards,
> BG
>
> --Anand

From lawgon at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 12:14:34 2011
From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:44:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
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On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 14:48 +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> OK. Someone from Y! is responding now...
> 
> To put the matter straight, Lokesh works in TA at Y! and
> he had asked my help to post an opening in the list. I mentioned
> that this is a Python list, but scripting languages like Perl, Python
> etc do have a lot of similarities  (Ask me, I am a Python coder at
> heart but right now my bread is coming through Perl here).  A lot
> of the skills at a high level are quite similar whether finally you
> end up coding in Python, Perl or PHP. 

seeing that it is perl which probably does not have an active India
specific mailing list, in the interests of preserving an endangered
species, maybe there is no harm in it.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From sudheer.s at sudheer.net  Tue Sep 13 13:30:47 2011
From: sudheer.s at sudheer.net (Sudheer Satyanarayana)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:00:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
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> To put the matter straight, Lokesh works in TA at Y! and
> he had asked my help to post an opening in the list. I mentioned
> that this is a Python list, but scripting languages like Perl, Python
> etc do have a lot of similarities  (Ask me, I am a Python coder at
> heart but right now my bread is coming through Perl here).  A lot
> of the skills at a high level are quite similar whether finally you
> end up coding in Python, Perl or PHP.
Try posting a Python job ad to a Perl, Ruby or PHP list.

On the other hand, try abstracting the concept. Someone who is good in 
one scripting language might be good in another. Someone good in one 
programming language might be good in another. By that argument, if you 
are looking for a Java programmer you can post your job ad in a C 
language list. If you extend the argument, you can post the ad in an 
technology related list for that matter.

I agree with Noufal here. This is pure spam. There are enough job 
portals available for free. The OP should be directed to such websites. 
I don't want to see PHP, Ruby, Perl, C or other programming language 
related job ads here unless it is directly related to Python.



-- 

With warm regards,
Sudheer. S
Personal home page - http://www.sudheer.net/about
Tech Chorus - http://www.techchorus.net


From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 13:48:32 2011
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:18:32 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
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On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Sudheer Satyanarayana <
sudheer.s at sudheer.net> wrote:

>
>  To put the matter straight, Lokesh works in TA at Y! and
>> he had asked my help to post an opening in the list. I mentioned
>> that this is a Python list, but scripting languages like Perl, Python
>> etc do have a lot of similarities  (Ask me, I am a Python coder at
>> heart but right now my bread is coming through Perl here).  A lot
>> of the skills at a high level are quite similar whether finally you
>> end up coding in Python, Perl or PHP.
>>
> Try posting a Python job ad to a Perl, Ruby or PHP list.
>

Cut the heat. IMHO it was a problem with the wording of the posting
by the OP. If he had been more diplomatic and sugar-coated his
posting, most of you would have remained silent.

See this post on the bangalore-rug list. It mentions ruby only once
and among many other skills.

https://groups.google.com/group/bangalorerug/browse_thread/thread/30d3e3dc6cdd8974/ead6b725a2c8e55e?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=job#ead6b725a2c8e55e

Nobody cribbed.


>
> On the other hand, try abstracting the concept. Someone who is good in one
> scripting language might be good in another. Someone good in one programming
> language might be good in another. By that argument, if you are looking for
> a Java programmer you can post your job ad in a C language list. If you
> extend the argument, you can post the ad in an technology related list for
> that matter.
>
>
Actually you can if  you word it carefully like the link I mentioned.


> I agree with Noufal here. This is pure spam. There are enough job portals
> available for free. The OP should be directed to such websites. I don't want
> to see PHP, Ruby, Perl, C or other programming language related job ads here
> unless it is directly related to Python.
>


Yes, he was not smart enough to say "Python" as one of the skills in his
posting.
That is what you are cribbing about ?

Advocacy is good, it shouldn't turn into zealotry.


>
> --
>
> With warm regards,
> Sudheer. S
> Personal home page - http://www.sudheer.net/about
> Tech Chorus - http://www.techchorus.net
>
>
> ______________________________**_________________
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>



-- 
--Anand

From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 13:57:39 2011
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:27:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
In-Reply-To: <CACpj97DOYyAgBav+iRL21bW24CvMuSsu-kufBLMH-tn=YTJ53w@mail.gmail.com>
	(Anand Balachandran Pillai's message of "Tue, 13 Sep 2011 17:18:32
	+0530")
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Anand Balachandran Pillai <abpillai at gmail.com> writes:


[...]


> Cut the heat. IMHO it was a problem with the wording of the posting by
> the OP. If he had been more diplomatic and sugar-coated his posting,
> most of you would have remained silent.

Not me. I might have worded my response differently but unless he was
looking for a Python programmer, I would have censured him. 

> See this post on the bangalore-rug list. It mentions ruby only once
> and among many other skills.
>
> https://groups.google.com/group/bangalorerug/browse_thread/thread/30d3e3dc6cdd8974/ead6b725a2c8e55e?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=job#ead6b725a2c8e55e
>
> Nobody cribbed.

It *does* atleast mention Ruby. The original email here conveyed the
impression that the recruiter was using this list as a "hiring
resource" and nothing more. Y! is not a Python startup, it's not really
using Python (atleast the job posting didn't indicate it).

I don't think the mail qualifies for the list but that's just my opinion. 

[...]


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

The best cure for insomnia is to get a lot of sleep. -W. C. Fields

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 14:36:15 2011
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:06:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] About being a community
Message-ID: <CANiY96aWzC6c9RxFnFxOgwzK1x2e_P7mZqjzCRrHEWM9Cb2K8Q@mail.gmail.com>

All:

I've started to read the book made available by Jono Bacon, the Ubuntu
Community manager.

The book is called "The Art of Community Online", and is available
here: www.artofcommunityonline.org

I find this to be a good book.

-- Sriram
==================
Belenix: www.belenix.org

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 14:48:24 2011
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:18:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
In-Reply-To: <87hb4gac3w.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
References: <1315888270.92569.YahooMailNeo@web121018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<87r53lc8if.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
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Message-ID: <CANiY96aJRgTSOghtiSTLNie8Ev+y2fu9BaCU+hehD_DDd8nycQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> Anand Balachandran Pillai <abpillai at gmail.com> writes:
>
>
> [...]
>
>
>> Cut the heat. IMHO it was a problem with the wording of the posting by
>> the OP. If he had been more diplomatic and sugar-coated his posting,
>> most of you would have remained silent.
>
> Not me. I might have worded my response differently but unless he was
> looking for a Python programmer, I would have censured him.
>
>> See this post on the bangalore-rug list. It mentions ruby only once
>> and among many other skills.
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/group/bangalorerug/browse_thread/thread/30d3e3dc6cdd8974/ead6b725a2c8e55e?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=job#ead6b725a2c8e55e
>>
>> Nobody cribbed.
>
> It *does* atleast mention Ruby. The original email here conveyed the
> impression that the recruiter was using this list as a "hiring
> resource" and nothing more. Y! is not a Python startup, it's not really
> using Python (atleast the job posting didn't indicate it).
>
> I don't think the mail qualifies for the list but that's just my opinion.
>

I feel that poking fun at any company's business is in extremely
disgusting taste. This was done once about Thoughtworks (the company I
work with) on this very mailing list.
I didn't see any apology then by the person who did that, nor do I see
any apology here by the person poking fun at Yahoo on this list.

Since then, I'm convinced that by and large, we all need to understand
better how to make bangpypers a safer place for discussions.

-- Sriram
==================
Belenix: www.belenix.org

From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 14:52:27 2011
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:22:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
In-Reply-To: <CANiY96aJRgTSOghtiSTLNie8Ev+y2fu9BaCU+hehD_DDd8nycQ@mail.gmail.com>
	(Sriram Narayanan's message of "Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:18:24 +0530")
References: <1315888270.92569.YahooMailNeo@web121018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <877h5ca9kk.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>

Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> writes:


[...]


> I feel that poking fun at any company's business is in extremely
> disgusting taste. This was done once about Thoughtworks (the company I
> work with) on this very mailing list.

Agreed but that is a separate issue. 

However, that doesn't address the issue of a recruitment person from a
company using the list merely as a hiring resource for a non python job.

[...]


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

A little pain never hurt anyone.

From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 14:58:00 2011
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:28:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
In-Reply-To: <877h5ca9kk.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain> (Noufal Ibrahim's message
	of "Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:22:27 +0530")
References: <1315888270.92569.YahooMailNeo@web121018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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	<877h5ca9kk.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
Message-ID: <8739g0a9bb.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>


Perhaps I'm being more vocal about this than is appropriate. I hold
generally unpopular opinions about the relationship between corporate
entities and free software/open source communities. That's probably
where the bile comes from.


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

Honk if you are against noise pollution!

From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 15:08:06 2011
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:38:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
In-Reply-To: <CANiY96aJRgTSOghtiSTLNie8Ev+y2fu9BaCU+hehD_DDd8nycQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1315888270.92569.YahooMailNeo@web121018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<87r53lc8if.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
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	<CANiY96aJRgTSOghtiSTLNie8Ev+y2fu9BaCU+hehD_DDd8nycQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACpj97DhYsBu+fdY-RcV-ETxzgEdaagGjxHKF-eAVFGV=NEjbw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> I feel that poking fun at any company's business is in extremely
> disgusting taste. This was done once about Thoughtworks (the company I
> work with) on this very mailing list.
> I didn't see any apology then by the person who did that, nor do I see
> any apology here by the person poking fun at Yahoo on this list.
>
> Since then, I'm convinced that by and large, we all need to understand
> better how to make bangpypers a safer place for discussions.
>

+1

Please, love your language etc, but let us give the impression that
we are not a bunch of amateur kids here, but professionals who
are ready to give a bit of space for others to live amongst us.

I made the mistake of telling OK to this guy on posting here, never
going to repeat the mistake again. I had thought better of this list
in fact. My bad.


> -- Sriram
> ==================
> Belenix: www.belenix.org
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
--Anand

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 15:07:51 2011
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:37:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
In-Reply-To: <877h5ca9kk.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
References: <1315888270.92569.YahooMailNeo@web121018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<87r53lc8if.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
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	<CAPOVWOTbtC4mAbM4Ht1ssuu6upJYYZ5yndmqt89vb9OG26LJjg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CANiY96a+wmmmcDRkEQdWLinwdcRMW1XSCuJNzioyFVp6pPeNZQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> writes:
>
>
> [...]
>
>
>> I feel that poking fun at any company's business is in extremely
>> disgusting taste. This was done once about Thoughtworks (the company I
>> work with) on this very mailing list.
>
> Agreed but that is a separate issue.
>

I see Yahoo being made fun of, and I don't see that being addressed.

As long as we encourage or worse, remain silent about corporates being
made fun of, we're going to remain a community of hypocrites.

Worse, we risk the brand image of Python itself (Note that this
mailing list is hosted at python.org), claims to represent Python, and
that this community is part of the overall Python community in India
and across the globe.

> However, that doesn't address the issue of a recruitment person from a
> company using the list merely as a hiring resource for a non python job.
>

We have to then solve a problem to having a common understanding of
what's fine and what's not.

It appears to me that Anand Pillai was fine with such a post, and
you're not, and there's some clarity needed on what's acceptable and
what's not, and the rationale for what ever consensus we arrive at.

> --
> ~noufal

-- Sriram
==================
Belenix: www.belenix.org

From gethemant at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 15:09:13 2011
From: gethemant at gmail.com (hemant)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:39:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
In-Reply-To: <877h5ca9kk.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
References: <1315888270.92569.YahooMailNeo@web121018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<87r53lc8if.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CACiMRG++F_nLvxXDnAC91ZOtXoei7go60afeWeFCKjigOg12xw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOMzwmExRMTO7TCAKxiZFOT4hT0MAtuo_Xoz-i=j-Y+7tb3gNQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CACpj97DOYyAgBav+iRL21bW24CvMuSsu-kufBLMH-tn=YTJ53w@mail.gmail.com>
	<87hb4gac3w.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
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	<877h5ca9kk.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
Message-ID: <CAN45PnpsfSFS-xEVVsvyOPaDv6XeeWqkDgUvR7pLtzH7czsqJQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> writes:
>
>
> [...]
>
>
>> I feel that poking fun at any company's business is in extremely
>> disgusting taste. This was done once about Thoughtworks (the company I
>> work with) on this very mailing list.
>
> Agreed but that is a separate issue.
>
> However, that doesn't address the issue of a recruitment person from a
> company using the list merely as a hiring resource for a non python job.
>

As a Rubyist, I am really surprised at - so much anger for a legit job
posting, just because it did not had 'Python' keyword in its
description.

I can't obviously speak for everyone, but I believe there is no such
thing as Python Job or Ruby Job - for 90% of exciting programming jobs
out there.  Ideally, what the community should do is, set out a
guideline for a legit job posting such as:

- Does it have [JOB] or something in subject, so as people can steer
clear if they want?
- Does it exactly say, what the requirements are and for which company?
- Does it mention location?
- It should not sound phony.

If a job posting matches all of the above, it is all good. However, as
a community if everyone agrees, one can add:

- Must mention Python as keyword in job posting.

But then, every recruiter will add that anyways. What does a recruiter
want, more keywords!

From noufal at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 16:06:10 2011
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 19:36:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
In-Reply-To: <CANiY96a+wmmmcDRkEQdWLinwdcRMW1XSCuJNzioyFVp6pPeNZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	(Sriram Narayanan's message of "Tue, 13 Sep 2011 18:37:51 +0530")
References: <1315888270.92569.YahooMailNeo@web121018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<87r53lc8if.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CACiMRG++F_nLvxXDnAC91ZOtXoei7go60afeWeFCKjigOg12xw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOMzwmExRMTO7TCAKxiZFOT4hT0MAtuo_Xoz-i=j-Y+7tb3gNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPOVWOTbtC4mAbM4Ht1ssuu6upJYYZ5yndmqt89vb9OG26LJjg@mail.gmail.com>
	<87sjo0c2oe.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
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	<CACpj97BDM4exP1mRi7SiJFqJ_A2ubByc3af_eMyhageGSRDKeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E6F3EE7.60100@sudheer.net>
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	<87hb4gac3w.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CANiY96aJRgTSOghtiSTLNie8Ev+y2fu9BaCU+hehD_DDd8nycQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<877h5ca9kk.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CANiY96a+wmmmcDRkEQdWLinwdcRMW1XSCuJNzioyFVp6pPeNZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <878vps8rl9.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>

Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> writes:


[...]


> It appears to me that Anand Pillai was fine with such a post, and
> you're not, and there's some clarity needed on what's acceptable and
> what's not, and the rationale for what ever consensus we arrive at.

[...]

I don't agree with Anand on this matter. I'll state my opinion (and it
is an opinion).

Firstly, I agree with you about the making fun of companies thing. I
don't feel that strongly about it as you but nevertheless. You'll notice
that I didn't do that on this thread. I'm not above it though. I do
sometimes find thing that are "mock worthy" about companies (including
Yahoo and ThoughtWorks) but those are reserved for dinner time
conversations with friends rather than public mailing lists.

However, I'm not concerned about that here. I'm concerned about someone
from a large company with a lot of resources using a public mailing list
like this as a general hiring resource. They're not hosting it, they're
not paying for it, they're not contributing to it (their employees might
be but that's just incidental). If the job targetted Python developers,
it'd be be "contributing" and okay. It didn't and I object to that.

If you or Anand or any of the other regulars sent a mail asking for,
say, Ruby developers (as Sidu of C42 did some time ago), I wouldn't
object. Why?  Because the person in question has generally been valuable
to the list and their presence has improved it. They're not just using
this as a random free hiring resource. I didn't originally know that the
OP was sanctioned by Anand. That would have toned down my response but I
still feel that that the original posting was at best OT for this list.

I'd like this to be a "no exception" thing since, from my experience of
hiring professionals, they tend to be indiscriminate and overly
aggressive in their attempts to get people and having a few them overrun
this list would do it more harm than good.

I'm not a list moderator so if we have an official policy on this
somewhere, I'd like to see it to know if I don't have grounds to stand
on.

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

Monotheism is a gift from the gods.

From ichattopadhyaya at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 17:49:43 2011
From: ichattopadhyaya at gmail.com (Ishan Chattopadhyaya)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:19:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
Message-ID: <CAHPRk5E9e=cTmqG5nMdRBa-Z0x3LuOKQqvpW3juYSpgdhRjdEA@mail.gmail.com>

Gentlemen,
Python is so easy (read beginner-friendly), that its not worth mentioning in
skills. People don't ask for the ability to arrange A to Z in ascending
order for a communication job. Its only the cryptic languages (read Java or
other languages that you guys hate and was mentioned in the job skills) that
needs to be learnt, not Python. ;-)

On a more serious note, Python could be "learnt" or used on the job. Having
said this, I feel the whole concept of a "java job" or a "python job", no
matter how much you language lovers might like, is a dated concept. I would
be extremely surprised if Yahoo! would hire a candidate strong in Java or
Perl and then stop him from working in Python if the project that he chooses
to work on really requires Python.
Just my 2 cents ;-)
God bless one and all of you,
Regards,
Ishan Chattopadhyaya
Sr. Software Engineer,
Search, Yahoo!

From rmathews at gmail.com  Tue Sep 13 18:10:29 2011
From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:40:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
In-Reply-To: <CANiY96a+wmmmcDRkEQdWLinwdcRMW1XSCuJNzioyFVp6pPeNZQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 18:37, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> writes:
>>> I feel that poking fun at any company's business is in extremely
>>> disgusting taste. This was done once about Thoughtworks (the company I
>>> work with) on this very mailing list.
>>
[...]
> As long as we encourage or worse, remain silent about corporates being
> made fun of, we're going to remain a community of hypocrites.
>

FWIW, I didn't have an opinion on the OT job posting because I didn't
read it.  But I must add that, it would be hypocritical to *not* poke
fun at companies, especially bumbling, incompetent, soon to be extinct
lumbering dinosaurs, (that don't do much beyond pooping all over the
techworld) such as Yahoo! and ThoughtWorks! (see what I did there?)

Now if Anand's or your self-image was so tied to your place of
employment that it would send you into a deep depression that someone
made fun of it, then I'd probably be disheartened (since that wasn't
my intention) but that wouldn't stop me from doing it.

We really should have fewer holy cows that are too sacred to be made
fun of.  Especially fat, methane producing ones like Y! and T!

Ol?!
Roshan Mathews

PS - django/python/computer-software programmers who are looking for a
job, or are interested in being wooed may mail roshan at claylabs.com ...
and I'll ask the big boss man to call you himself.

-- 
http://about.me/rosh

From senthil at uthcode.com  Tue Sep 13 16:46:23 2011
From: senthil at uthcode.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 22:46:23 +0800
Subject: [BangPypers] About being a community
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On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 06:06:15PM +0530, Sriram Narayanan wrote:
> 
> The book is called "The Art of Community Online", and is available
> here: www.artofcommunityonline.org
> 

Pretty interesting. There is another book along the same lines which
has good many chapters devoted to community - It is
http://producingoss.com/ by Karl Fogel.

When I first read that book, I was surprised at the kind of importance
Karl game on non-technical, user behavior, developer behavior and
community aspects in the Open Source project. Later when I do reflect
upon it, I found that book was very insightful.

Thanks,
Senthil

From sudheer.s at sudheer.net  Wed Sep 14 04:31:34 2011
From: sudheer.s at sudheer.net (Sudheer Satyanarayana)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 08:01:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
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Noufal has already replied to this. My response is to those parts that 
weren't addressed.
> Cut the heat.
Sorry? I do not understand what heat you are referring to.
> IMHO it was a problem with the wording of the posting
> by the OP. If he had been more diplomatic and sugar-coated his
> posting, most of you would have remained silent.
Perhaps.
> See this post on the bangalore-rug list. It mentions ruby only once
> and among many other skills.
>
> https://groups.google.com/group/bangalorerug/browse_thread/thread/30d3e3dc6cdd8974/ead6b725a2c8e55e?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=job#ead6b725a2c8e55e
>
> Nobody cribbed.
We're saying the job ad was unrelated to Python and this spam. 'Cribbed' 
is a strong word. I'd be careful in my choice of words.

>
> Actually you can if  you word it carefully like the link I mentioned.
You should be telling this to the OP.
> Yes, he was not smart enough to say "Python" as one of the skills in his
> posting.
> That is what you are cribbing about ?
Looks like it is someone else that is _cribbing_.

The point I'm trying to raise here is relevancy to Python. Expressing 
opinions and debating doesn't mean cribbing.


> Advocacy is good, it shouldn't turn into zealotry.
Now you are accusing me of zealotry? Interesting. Would you justify your 
accusation?



-- 

With warm regards,
Sudheer. S
Personal home page - http://www.sudheer.net/about
Tech Chorus - http://www.techchorus.net


From sudheer.s at sudheer.net  Wed Sep 14 04:33:51 2011
From: sudheer.s at sudheer.net (Sudheer Satyanarayana)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 08:03:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
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On Tuesday 13 September 2011 06:28 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> Perhaps I'm being more vocal about this than is appropriate. I hold
> generally unpopular opinions about the relationship between corporate
> entities and free software/open source communities. That's probably
> where the bile comes from.
>
Noufal, you did the right thing by bringing up this topic for discussion.

I cannot speak about your generally unpopular opinions. But I'm totally 
with you on this one.



-- 

With warm regards,
Sudheer. S
Personal home page - http://www.sudheer.net/about
Tech Chorus - http://www.techchorus.net


From benignbala at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 07:03:53 2011
From: benignbala at gmail.com (Balachandran Sivakumar)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:33:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
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Hi,

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Roshan Mathews <rmathews at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 18:37, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> FWIW, I didn't have an opinion on the OT job posting because I didn't
> read it. ?But I must add that, it would be hypocritical to *not* poke
> fun at companies, especially bumbling, incompetent, soon to be extinct
> lumbering dinosaurs, (that don't do much beyond pooping all over the


           I am not sure about the hypocritical part, but it sure
would show how immature the person is. You can criticize a company for
its policies, but cannot poke fun at it. And they do what they like,
and need not comply with someone else definition of "being competent".
I really am completely surprised at people disagreeing with the
opinion that it is bad to poke fun at companies. Thanks


-- 
Thank you
Balachandran Sivakumar

Arise Awake and stop not till the goal is reached.

Mail: benignbala at gmail.com
Blog: http://benignbala.wordpress.com/

From lawgon at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 08:09:02 2011
From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:39:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
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On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 18:38 +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
> Please, love your language etc, but let us give the impression that
> we are not a bunch of amateur kids here, but professionals who
> are ready to give a bit of space for others to live amongst us.
> 
> I made the mistake of telling OK to this guy on posting here, never
> going to repeat the mistake again. I had thought better of this list
> in fact. My bad. 

love of language is not the issue - this list has a specific focus, and
we need to respect that.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From lawgon at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 08:11:00 2011
From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:41:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
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On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 18:37 +0530, Sriram Narayanan wrote:
> We have to then solve a problem to having a common understanding of
> what's fine and what's not. 

python is fine - non python is not fine. Lighthearted banter is fine.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From lawgon at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 08:15:54 2011
From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 11:45:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
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On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 18:39 +0530, hemant wrote:
> - Does it have [JOB] or something in subject, so as people can steer
> clear if they want?
> - Does it exactly say, what the requirements are and for which
> company?
> - Does it mention location?
> - It should not sound phony.
> 
> If a job posting matches all of the above, it is all good. However, as
> a community if everyone agrees, one can add:
> 
> - Must mention Python as keyword in job posting. 

an advertisement for a job in a zoo involving cleaning the reptile
enclosure would fulfill your criteria.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 12:32:48 2011
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:02:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Sudheer Satyanarayana <
sudheer.s at sudheer.net> wrote:

>
> Noufal has already replied to this. My response is to those parts that
> weren't addressed.
>
>> Cut the heat.
>>
> Sorry? I do not understand what heat you are referring to.


Dont take it personally. It was not directed only to your response, but
to all the responses that seem to notch up the temperature by a few degrees
here.



>
>  IMHO it was a problem with the wording of the posting
>> by the OP. If he had been more diplomatic and sugar-coated his
>> posting, most of you would have remained silent.
>>
> Perhaps.
>
>  See this post on the bangalore-rug list. It mentions ruby only once
>> and among many other skills.
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/**group/bangalorerug/browse_**thread/thread/**
>> 30d3e3dc6cdd8974/**ead6b725a2c8e55e?hl=en&lnk=**
>> gst&q=job#ead6b725a2c8e55e<https://groups.google.com/group/bangalorerug/browse_thread/thread/30d3e3dc6cdd8974/ead6b725a2c8e55e?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=job#ead6b725a2c8e55e>
>>
>> Nobody cribbed.
>>
> We're saying the job ad was unrelated to Python and this spam. 'Cribbed' is
> a strong word. I'd be careful in my choice of words.


Cribbing means complaining. Fairly light word. A strong word would be
something like "shouted" or "exploded" in this case.

I am quite pedagogical when it comes to my knowledge
of  English, so here is some reference.

>From urban dictionary online,

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cribbing

Cribbing: "Complaining, A mild form of whining".

Not much strength there.


>
>
>> Actually you can if  you word it carefully like the link I mentioned.
>>
> You should be telling this to the OP.
>
>  Yes, he was not smart enough to say "Python" as one of the skills in his
>> posting.
>> That is what you are cribbing about ?
>>
> Looks like it is someone else that is _cribbing_.
>
> The point I'm trying to raise here is relevancy to Python. Expressing
> opinions and debating doesn't mean cribbing.
>
>
 Of course not, but IMHO, which I am entitled to, the eruptions of
self-righteous
 objections, were complaints which I felt didn't have much ground. Hence the
 use of "cribbing".



>
>  Advocacy is good, it shouldn't turn into zealotry.
>>
> Now you are accusing me of zealotry? Interesting. Would you justify your
> accusation?
>
>
As I said, it was not a personal comment. I happened to choose your email
to reply to the thread in general.

The list is for healthy discussions. When someone says "you", it needn't
be directed against a particular person, but to a group who express
an opinion.

You seem to be taking all this too personally. Chill.


>
>
> --
>
> With warm regards,
> Sudheer. S
> Personal home page - http://www.sudheer.net/about
> Tech Chorus - http://www.techchorus.net
>
>


-- 
--Anand

From sajuptpm at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 13:01:49 2011
From: sajuptpm at gmail.com (Saju M)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:31:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python mechanize Change the Location of Google search
Message-ID: <CANR2JHi5=hqVStMRXjHy7GBjQAqLuaEnA9yB4KeYBMWLK_TrXg@mail.gmail.com>

I want to open Google search page and Change the Location link in the
left hand nav of Google) from the users current location to a
different location, then return the results of the updated search.

I done following coding.
Issue is, Left side Change Location form of google is javacript
driven, So br.submit() not working .
Have any way to solve this issue ???

import re
from mechanize import Browser

LOGIN_URL = "http://www.google.co.in/search?q=new+york+locksmith&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a"

br = Browser()
br.set_handle_robots(False)
br.addheaders = [('User-agent', 'Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686;
en-US; rv:1.9.0.1) Gecko/2008071615 Fedora/3.0.1-1.fc9
Firefox/3.0.1')]

s_page = br.open(LOGIN_URL)

loc_form = br.select_form(nr=1)

loc_text_fld = br.form.find_control(id='lc-input')

loc_text_fld.__dict__['_value'] = 'kerala' #Change the Location

resp = br.submit()

print "\n\n----------resp----------", resp.read() #Returning blank
google search page.

From jace at pobox.com  Wed Sep 14 14:00:04 2011
From: jace at pobox.com (Kiran Jonnalagadda)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:30:04 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
In-Reply-To: <CANd6hXxdna8iE0EVwauX_=1xzLd=Wm2rPVD-wpj7qkj5B=+New@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1315888270.92569.YahooMailNeo@web121018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <0A35DE4F-C6CE-44BA-B10C-79B8EBCCBD56@pobox.com>

On 13-Sep-2011, at 9:40 PM, Roshan Mathews wrote:

> FWIW, I didn't have an opinion on the OT job posting because I didn't
> read it.  But I must add that, it would be hypocritical to *not* poke
> fun at companies, especially bumbling, incompetent, soon to be extinct
> lumbering dinosaurs, (that don't do much beyond pooping all over the
> techworld) such as Yahoo! and ThoughtWorks! (see what I did there?)

+1. Censoring opinion does no one any good. I'm with Noufal and Roshan on this thread.

Public criticism can help companies get unstuck *really fast*, as I learnt about Y! last month in a separate incident. If, as in this case, any company wants to use a public resource to recruit, they should also be willing to explain why they are a good place to work. This is a fair expectation for their use of the resource. Instead, there's only been objection to criticism, which makes the company look all the worse.

Kiran


From b.ghose at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 14:04:31 2011
From: b.ghose at gmail.com (Baishampayan Ghose)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:34:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
In-Reply-To: <0A35DE4F-C6CE-44BA-B10C-79B8EBCCBD56@pobox.com>
References: <1315888270.92569.YahooMailNeo@web121018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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	<87sjo0c2oe.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
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	<0A35DE4F-C6CE-44BA-B10C-79B8EBCCBD56@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ3UTY+q5wAzxBe59E+Nnwu2tWKbANm+xLTPdMi3Wpkrzxoo3A@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Kiran Jonnalagadda <jace at pobox.com> wrote:
> +1. Censoring opinion does no one any good. I'm with Noufal and Roshan on this thread.
>
> Public criticism can help companies get unstuck *really fast*, as I learnt about Y! last month in a separate incident. If, as in this case, any company wants to use a public resource to recruit, they should also be willing to explain why they are a good place to work. This is a fair expectation for their use of the resource. Instead, there's only been objection to criticism, which makes the company look all the worse.

+1 to Kiran and Noufal here.
+1 Trillion to Roshan (of which a few Billions are just for the style).

Regards,
BG

-- 
Baishampayan Ghose
b.ghose at gmail.com

From venkat83 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 14:11:30 2011
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 17:41:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
In-Reply-To: <CAJ3UTY+q5wAzxBe59E+Nnwu2tWKbANm+xLTPdMi3Wpkrzxoo3A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1315888270.92569.YahooMailNeo@web121018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<87r53lc8if.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
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	<0A35DE4F-C6CE-44BA-B10C-79B8EBCCBD56@pobox.com>
	<CAJ3UTY+q5wAzxBe59E+Nnwu2tWKbANm+xLTPdMi3Wpkrzxoo3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN7tdFQz3J63kyvpcCV_YFx8D3dOCKSi-ON6LYYAWYXSzDfvAg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Baishampayan Ghose <b.ghose at gmail.com>wrote:

> +1 Trillion to Roshan (of which a few Billions are just for the style).
>

Roshan is otherwise known as as 'Wally' ...Scott Adams inspiration. Hic!

-V

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 14:40:14 2011
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:10:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List guidelines (was:  [JOB] - Yahoo!)
In-Reply-To: <CAHPRk5E9e=cTmqG5nMdRBa-Z0x3LuOKQqvpW3juYSpgdhRjdEA@mail.gmail.com>
	(Ishan Chattopadhyaya's message of "Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:19:43 +0530")
References: <CAHPRk5E9e=cTmqG5nMdRBa-Z0x3LuOKQqvpW3juYSpgdhRjdEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87mxe747rl.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>


This is obviously dividing the list into camps and that's not healthy.

What is the official stance of the list owners on this kind of post? It
would be good to know and state it so that this kind of thing is avoided
again.

I hear from others (BRUG, BarCamp Bangalore) that first time posters who
send recruitment mails are simply rejected. That sounds like a sane
policy to me. 


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

The scene is dull. Tell him to put more life into his dying. -- Samuel Goldwyn

From senthil at uthcode.com  Wed Sep 14 14:47:34 2011
From: senthil at uthcode.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:47:34 +0800
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!
In-Reply-To: <0A35DE4F-C6CE-44BA-B10C-79B8EBCCBD56@pobox.com>
References: <CAJ3UTYKSG0OYQHPp-Pn0xEaVboQyyGvOHvuD3e1JLE7BuYaZ-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACpj97BDM4exP1mRi7SiJFqJ_A2ubByc3af_eMyhageGSRDKeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E6F3EE7.60100@sudheer.net>
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	<87hb4gac3w.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
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	<0A35DE4F-C6CE-44BA-B10C-79B8EBCCBD56@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <20110914124734.GA2507@mathmagic>

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 05:30:04PM +0530, Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote:
> On 13-Sep-2011, at 9:40 PM, Roshan Mathews wrote:
> 
> > FWIW, I didn't have an opinion on the OT job posting because I didn't
> > read it.  But I must add that, it would be hypocritical to *not* poke
> > fun at companies, especially bumbling, incompetent, soon to be extinct
> > lumbering dinosaurs, (that don't do much beyond pooping all over the
> > techworld) such as Yahoo! and ThoughtWorks! (see what I did there?)
> 
> +1. Censoring opinion does no one any good. I'm with Noufal and Roshan on this thread.

Except that this may not be the place. You could use better forums for
that. This is technical list and community where mutual respect is
valued.  So, please don't deviate from that. If one makes mistakes, it
is better to point out and correct rather than ridicule.

-- 
Senthil

From senthil at uthcode.com  Wed Sep 14 14:50:20 2011
From: senthil at uthcode.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:50:20 +0800
Subject: [BangPypers] List guidelines (was:  [JOB] - Yahoo!)
In-Reply-To: <87mxe747rl.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
References: <CAHPRk5E9e=cTmqG5nMdRBa-Z0x3LuOKQqvpW3juYSpgdhRjdEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<87mxe747rl.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20110914125020.GB2507@mathmagic>

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 06:10:14PM +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> What is the official stance of the list owners on this kind of post? It
> would be good to know and state it so that this kind of thing is avoided
> again.

If there is a mistake, correct it. Don't ridicule.

> 
> I hear from others (BRUG, BarCamp Bangalore) that first time posters who
> send recruitment mails are simply rejected. That sounds like a sane
> policy to me. 

No. First time posters are welcome. Spammers are not.

-- 
Senthil

From umar43 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 14:55:50 2011
From: umar43 at gmail.com (Umar Shah)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:25:50 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List guidelines (was: [JOB] - Yahoo!)
In-Reply-To: <20110914125020.GB2507@mathmagic>
References: <CAHPRk5E9e=cTmqG5nMdRBa-Z0x3LuOKQqvpW3juYSpgdhRjdEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<87mxe747rl.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<20110914125020.GB2507@mathmagic>
Message-ID: <CABqGjSri+7C+Q5yihb1ECy1Y7uC=v9A4OyCCXC1k6F9OrEfe5A@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Senthil Kumaran <senthil at uthcode.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 06:10:14PM +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> > What is the official stance of the list owners on this kind of post? It
> > would be good to know and state it so that this kind of thing is avoided
> > again.
>
> If there is a mistake, correct it. Don't ridicule.
>
> >
> > I hear from others (BRUG, BarCamp Bangalore) that first time posters who
> > send recruitment mails are simply rejected. That sounds like a sane
> > policy to me.
>
> No. First time posters are welcome. Spammers are not.
>
I think first time job post is also ok but it should be relevant to the
group. Can we expect all job poster to post otherwise also?


> --
> Senthil
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 14:57:10 2011
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:27:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List guidelines
In-Reply-To: <20110914125020.GB2507@mathmagic> (Senthil Kumaran's message of
	"Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:50:20 +0800")
References: <CAHPRk5E9e=cTmqG5nMdRBa-Z0x3LuOKQqvpW3juYSpgdhRjdEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<87mxe747rl.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<20110914125020.GB2507@mathmagic>
Message-ID: <87fwjz46zd.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>

Senthil Kumaran <senthil at uthcode.com> writes:

> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 06:10:14PM +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
>> What is the official stance of the list owners on this kind of post? It
>> would be good to know and state it so that this kind of thing is avoided
>> again.
>
> If there is a mistake, correct it. Don't ridicule.

Absolutely no light hearted jabs. Total shrink wrapped politeness would
make for a very dull corporate atmosphere. I don't like it myself but if
that is the position of the list, I won't violate it. 

>> I hear from others (BRUG, BarCamp Bangalore) that first time posters who
>> send recruitment mails are simply rejected. That sounds like a sane
>> policy to me. 
>
> No. First time posters are welcome. Spammers are not.

Every poster has a first time. A job posting by a first timer for a non
Python job is pretty much spam (for this list) in my opinion but there
needs to be an "official" stance on this as well. 




-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

The first condition of immortality is death. -Stanislaw Lec

From ramkrsna at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 15:01:03 2011
From: ramkrsna at gmail.com (Ramakrishna Reddy)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:31:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List guidelines (was: [JOB] - Yahoo!)
In-Reply-To: <87mxe747rl.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
References: <CAHPRk5E9e=cTmqG5nMdRBa-Z0x3LuOKQqvpW3juYSpgdhRjdEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<87mxe747rl.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
Message-ID: <CAOMzwmE=fzHpNmTDbPmHn-VSHWiJ46rkB3uw_sR+BWs8DmTS3A@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This is obviously dividing the list into camps and that's not healthy.

Nothing wrong in one expressing their opinion, I would not take it as
unhealthy or it would divide camps. Its an open mailing list. OTOH
People being open about their views is a healthy sign.

> What is the official stance of the list owners on this kind of post? It
> would be good to know and state it so that this kind of thing is avoided
> again.

I'm okay with first time posters, even recruitment / commercial
posting is fine, as long as basic job email etiquettes. If we would
want to channel out all the commercial postings from the list, we
could ask the recruiters to post their requirement to the
http://www.python.org/community/jobs/ .

regards
-- 
Ramakrishna Reddy? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? GPG
Key ID:31FF0090
Fingerprint =? 18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F? 32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090

From senthil at uthcode.com  Wed Sep 14 15:14:03 2011
From: senthil at uthcode.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 21:14:03 +0800
Subject: [BangPypers] List guidelines
In-Reply-To: <87fwjz46zd.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
References: <CAHPRk5E9e=cTmqG5nMdRBa-Z0x3LuOKQqvpW3juYSpgdhRjdEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<87mxe747rl.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<20110914125020.GB2507@mathmagic>
	<87fwjz46zd.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20110914131403.GC2507@mathmagic>

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 06:27:10PM +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> Senthil Kumaran <senthil at uthcode.com> writes:
> > If there is a mistake, correct it. Don't ridicule.
> 
> Absolutely no light hearted jabs. Total shrink wrapped politeness would
> make for a very dull corporate atmosphere. I don't like it myself but if
> that is the position of the list, I won't violate it. 

Pretty good interpretation of what 'ridicule' means. :-)

> Python job is pretty much spam (for this list) in my opinion but there
> needs to be an "official" stance on this as well. 

My recollection from history is, it needs to be prefixed with [JOB]
and jobs are not considered spam by many. I think, prefixing with JOB
can help also people to filter them to spam folder, if they prefer it
that way.

-- 
Senthil



From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 15:17:58 2011
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:47:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List guidelines
In-Reply-To: <20110914131403.GC2507@mathmagic> (Senthil Kumaran's message of
	"Wed, 14 Sep 2011 21:14:03 +0800")
References: <CAHPRk5E9e=cTmqG5nMdRBa-Z0x3LuOKQqvpW3juYSpgdhRjdEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<87mxe747rl.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<20110914125020.GB2507@mathmagic>
	<87fwjz46zd.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<20110914131403.GC2507@mathmagic>
Message-ID: <878vpr460p.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>

Senthil Kumaran <senthil at uthcode.com> writes:


[...]

> My recollection from history is, it needs to be prefixed with [JOB]
> and jobs are not considered spam by many. I think, prefixing with JOB
> can help also people to filter them to spam folder, if they prefer it
> that way.

So, job postings not at all related to Python are fine as long as
they're prefixed with [JOB]?


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

The first condition of immortality is death. -Stanislaw Lec

From umar43 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 15:21:43 2011
From: umar43 at gmail.com (Umar Shah)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:51:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List guidelines
In-Reply-To: <878vpr460p.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
References: <CAHPRk5E9e=cTmqG5nMdRBa-Z0x3LuOKQqvpW3juYSpgdhRjdEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<87mxe747rl.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> Senthil Kumaran <senthil at uthcode.com> writes:
>
>
> [...]
>
> > My recollection from history is, it needs to be prefixed with [JOB]
> > and jobs are not considered spam by many. I think, prefixing with JOB
> > can help also people to filter them to spam folder, if they prefer it
> > that way.
>
> So, job postings not at all related to Python are fine as long as
> they're prefixed with [JOB]?
>
>
People who are interested in just python jobs as most of guys here would be
cant easily filter out non python ones.


> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
>
> The first condition of immortality is death. -Stanislaw Lec
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 15:26:07 2011
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:56:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List guidelines
In-Reply-To: <CABqGjSp_BdZ_NQbWmAbr3ekF8u7A+yzYY7WL1pb60Xf6RW2TYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	(Umar Shah's message of "Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:51:43 +0530")
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Umar Shah <umar43 at gmail.com> writes:

[...]

> People who are interested in just python jobs as most of guys here
> would be cant easily filter out non python ones.

[...]

So, random headhunters/recruiters are free to use this list to post for
any job postings but the onus is on the list members to filter out the
Python related postings from the non python ones. Correct? 

Am I the only one who thinks this is backward? 


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on. Include me out. -Samuel Goldwyn

From sree at mahiti.org  Wed Sep 14 15:27:33 2011
From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 18:57:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List guidelines (was: [JOB] - Yahoo!)
In-Reply-To: <87mxe747rl.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
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On 14 September 2011 18:10, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

My thoughts,

This is Python mailing list. The mails should be wither around the topic.
If a recruiter sends a mail for job XYZ which explicitly not invites people
 with python skils to apply, this list should treat it as spam.

If some asks a Java or PHP relevant question, will we not treat that as
irreverent?
- sree

From senthil at uthcode.com  Wed Sep 14 15:33:16 2011
From: senthil at uthcode.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 21:33:16 +0800
Subject: [BangPypers] List guidelines
In-Reply-To: <878vpr460p.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 06:47:58PM +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> So, job postings not at all related to Python are fine as long as
> they're prefixed with [JOB]?

I thought the question was for Python jobs. If the question is for any
job, then no. We may not expect irrelevant jobs to be posted here.

But again, if someone makes a mistake, it is better to correct him and
ask clarification as how it is relevant.  It may either end up being
useful or we can inform that this may not be right list. 

If someone abuses the list, then we can inform him. As he is a human,
he may stand corrected. If it is a bot, then I think spambayes is
doing a good job already and we can give a helping hand if required.

-- 
Senthil

From umar43 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 15:35:37 2011
From: umar43 at gmail.com (Umar Shah)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 19:05:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List guidelines
In-Reply-To: <874o0f45n4.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> Umar Shah <umar43 at gmail.com> writes:
>
> [...]
>
> > People who are interested in just python jobs as most of guys here
> > would be cant easily filter out non python ones.
>
> [...]
>
> So, random headhunters/recruiters are free to use this list to post for
> any job postings but the onus is on the list members to filter out the
> Python related postings from the non python ones. Correct?
>
>
:)  I want list to be favorable to guys interested in python only, this is
not a job list. So in my opinion a job post not relevant to python guys
should be treated as spam.

Am I the only one who thinks this is backward?
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
>
> A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on. Include me out.
> -Samuel Goldwyn
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From pythonic at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 15:47:15 2011
From: pythonic at gmail.com (Shekhar Tiwatne)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 19:17:15 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List guidelines
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On Wednesday 14 September 2011 07:05 PM, Umar Shah wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Noufal Ibrahim<noufal at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> Umar Shah<umar43 at gmail.com>  writes:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> People who are interested in just python jobs as most of guys here
>>> would be cant easily filter out non python ones.
>> [...]
>>
>> So, random headhunters/recruiters are free to use this list to post for
>> any job postings but the onus is on the list members to filter out the
>> Python related postings from the non python ones. Correct?
>>
>>
> :)  I want list to be favorable to guys interested in python only, this is
> not a job list. So in my opinion a job post not relevant to python guys
> should be treated as spam.
>
> Am I the only one who thinks this is backward?
+1 I would also prefer to see relevant (python) job posts here.

Shekhar

From abhilash.pin2 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 15:58:18 2011
From: abhilash.pin2 at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?YcOfbOC5gM6vbM6xc2zguYA=?=)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 19:28:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] wx.TreeCtrl !
Message-ID: <CAFGny34cz1XZHmUU+xYTCdsc_jc7=PQYTZUjOni1mjm4O7a7KA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
     need help to create a wx.TreeCtrl that can list all my memory Drive
with all the folder in a hierarchical Tree structure, and can multiple
folders can be selected to do task like copy/paste/delete....
     need help on wx as how to go abt it...

-- 
a?l??l?sl?

From senthil at uthcode.com  Wed Sep 14 15:52:05 2011
From: senthil at uthcode.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 21:52:05 +0800
Subject: [BangPypers] List guidelines
In-Reply-To: <874o0f45n4.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> Am I the only one who thinks this is backward?

No, definitely not. But you seem to be giving undue importance to this
discussion by creating hypothetical scenarios.  I think, we can
tolerate some mistakes and just stay focused.

-- 
Senthil

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 16:19:01 2011
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 19:49:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List guidelines
In-Reply-To: <CAPOVWOSo5mYdnCgpY37Zhf00iH_Wi5pcxOEaPFCK6LQSkycjJA@mail.gmail.com>
	(Senthil Kumaran's message of "Wed, 14 Sep 2011 21:52:05 +0800")
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Senthil Kumaran <senthil at uthcode.com> writes:

> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Am I the only one who thinks this is backward?
>
> No, definitely not. But you seem to be giving undue importance to this
> discussion by creating hypothetical scenarios.  I think, we can
> tolerate some mistakes and just stay focused.

Well, it did cause a long thread. I merely censured the OP for the
inappropriate post. I gather that most of you agree that it was not
suited for this list. So that's sorted. 

The teasing issue, a few people teased the company a little. I don't
think that was out of place. A little light hearted humour is, in my
opnion, a good thing. Apparently, you and Sriram disagree and that's
what spawned off this thread. 

This is getting too long for for my tastes. If there is a formal
statement on what's allowed on the list and what's not, I'll abide. I
personally don't like a strictly enforced code that keeps everyone
artificially super polite but like I said, I'll abide. 


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

I distinctly remember forgetting that. -Clara Barton

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 16:47:17 2011
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:17:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List guidelines
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On 9/14/11, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> Senthil Kumaran <senthil at uthcode.com> writes:
>
>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Am I the only one who thinks this is backward?
>>
>> No, definitely not. But you seem to be giving undue importance to this
>> discussion by creating hypothetical scenarios.  I think, we can
>> tolerate some mistakes and just stay focused.
>
> Well, it did cause a long thread. I merely censured the OP for the
> inappropriate post. I gather that most of you agree that it was not
> suited for this list. So that's sorted.
>

I have a different understanding. I really do feel that we need to
sort out what we feel is acceptable by way of job postings. All these
years I felt that we all had a similar understanding, but seeing the
differences of opinion between Anand and yourself made me realize that
we need to perhaps discuss and arrive at a formal understanding.

> The teasing issue, a few people teased the company a little. I don't
> think that was out of place. A little light hearted humour is, in my
> opnion, a good thing. Apparently, you and Sriram disagree and that's
> what spawned off this thread.

Sorry, poking fun at a company's board of directors, etc, is in poor
taste, and cannot be condoned off as light hearted humor. Poking fun
at a company's practices, especially one which one may not yourself
practice and therefore not be in a position to comment on, is also
tells poorly poorly about that commentator. It has been only these two
cases that I've raised concerns about.

>From what I can see so far, we've only been discussing what qualifies
as a valid job posting on this thread.

>
> This is getting too long for for my tastes. If there is a formal
> statement on what's allowed on the list and what's not, I'll abide. I
> personally don't like a strictly enforced code that keeps everyone
> artificially super polite but like I said, I'll abide.
>

Noufal, I didn't ask for any straight jacketcode, etc. Please do not
paint basic politeness and courtesy as strictly enforced code. I find
your own strong arguments against that job posting to be strict
enforcement, and I can't help but think that even the merest hint of
the word "python" would have changed how you look at job postings,
even though this was one where there were very many technologies
related to what a python app would use.

My own inputs related to job postings:
- Permit a variety of tech job postings from people who are regulars.
- Permit job postings from recruiters only of these are related to
python. If these are related to Python, but not Python specific jobs,
allow them anway.
- Let us acknowledge and accept that Recruiters are not going to
understand a community's ethos (I understood this word better from the
art of community online book). Some or most of us who have dealt with
them know how they think. We can at best educate them, at worst ban
their posts.
- Job offers for .NET, Cobol, AIX, etc should obviously not be
permitted merely because of a  a token mention of the word "python".

My inputs at a larger level:
- Clearly there are differences in understanding what politeness
means. What may be light hearted fun for one, may not be so for the
other. It is upon the recepient to decide if he does not like this so
called fun, and others need to respect that.
- Clearly, there are also differences in understanding on whether we
should taunt corporates or not. Once again, anyone, especially a
representative of an organization, has every right to step in with
corrections. As I mentioned earlier on this response, I've myself
stepped in twice so far.
- We need to figure out where we stand with respect to corporates. If
we feel that corporates by and large are the community's disinterests
at heart, let us not approach them for help in cash or kind in the
future. (This is what I'd meant by hypocrisy).


>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
>
> I distinctly remember forgetting that. -Clara Barton
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>


-- 
==================
Belenix: www.belenix.org

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 16:51:51 2011
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:21:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] About pypy and bangpypers
Message-ID: <CANiY96YkgTxZMJUqeQ4E9GJFA2FkGqD7qZPm0oNaYA6pEdyb2w@mail.gmail.com>

All:

Some weeks ago, there was some discussion of a meetup to figure out
what we could do with pypy. Have any list members conducted any
investigations on that ?

I'm asking because I'm interested. I'd like to see how I can package
pypy for Belenix someday, and I want to pair with various python
programmers and understand how people think about a platform when
considering it for use.

-- Sriram
==================
Belenix: www.belenix.org

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 16:54:48 2011
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:24:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] About pypy and bangpypers
In-Reply-To: <CANiY96YkgTxZMJUqeQ4E9GJFA2FkGqD7qZPm0oNaYA6pEdyb2w@mail.gmail.com>
	(Sriram Narayanan's message of "Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:21:51 +0530")
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Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> writes:

> All:
>
> Some weeks ago, there was some discussion of a meetup to figure out
> what we could do with pypy. Have any list members conducted any
> investigations on that ?
>
> I'm asking because I'm interested. I'd like to see how I can package
> pypy for Belenix someday, and I want to pair with various python
> programmers and understand how people think about a platform when
> considering it for use.

[...]

I was hoping to resurrect this after PyCon India this weekend. I'm eager
to get it going. 

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

The first condition of immortality is death. -Stanislaw Lec

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 16:59:36 2011
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:29:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] About pypy and bangpypers
In-Reply-To: <87boun2myv.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
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On 9/14/11, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I was hoping to resurrect this after PyCon India this weekend. I'm eager
> to get it going.
>

Sounds good. I'll begin preparation for the meetup. For me, getting
pypy to work will be a bit special, since I'll need to "port" it to
run with what ever's available on the illumos platform.

> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
>
> The first condition of immortality is death. -Stanislaw Lec
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>


-- Sriram
==================
Belenix: www.belenix.org

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 17:08:39 2011
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:38:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List guidelines (was: [JOB] - Yahoo!)
In-Reply-To: <CAD=RLAhh4YAF0yrDcpQ5Gr9Y57mqNE89ntt39izhsR=QHtR0vw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah <sree at mahiti.org>wrote:

> On 14 September 2011 18:10, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> My thoughts,
>
> This is Python mailing list. The mails should be wither around the topic.
> If a recruiter sends a mail for job XYZ which explicitly not invites people
>  with python skils to apply, this list should treat it as spam.
>
> If some asks a Java or PHP relevant question, will we not treat that as
> irreverent?
>

 Need not be. If the Java or PHP question is generic enough and on
 a topic that is applicable to Python as well, it could be something
 worth answering. For example - if there is a question on multithreading
 in Java, I would answer it here since the Python threading module
 has a lot of similarity with Java. However, if the question is like "Which
 class in Java to use for byte stream input" then I would politely redirect
 him to a Java forum.

 After 12+ years of working in a wide number of programming languages
 from C to Java to Python to PHP and Perl, I keep a very open mind
 on this topic.

 This is a Python forum, but languages are inter-related and there is a lot
 to share and learn. We are not a Python "fan" forum IMHO but learned
 folks who chose to mostly center their discussions on Python and related
 topics. That shouldn't exclude related discussions  in other languages,
 if there is an overlap with aspects of Python.

 I am sure this list is subscribed by a number of folks whose day job
 would be coding in  languages other than Python.

 With respect to JOB posting, my only requirement is that the
 subject list contain [JOB] and it is somewhat relevant. I don't care if
 it is the first post of the member or 100th post.


- sree
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--Anand

From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 17:13:45 2011
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:43:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List guidelines
In-Reply-To: <CAPOVWOSo5mYdnCgpY37Zhf00iH_Wi5pcxOEaPFCK6LQSkycjJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHPRk5E9e=cTmqG5nMdRBa-Z0x3LuOKQqvpW3juYSpgdhRjdEA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CACpj97AE364c33gRU6oRuGa+TJktkbPPByCaqzaKpQsrsCtdMw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Senthil Kumaran <senthil at uthcode.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Am I the only one who thinks this is backward?
>
> No, definitely not. But you seem to be giving undue importance to this
> discussion by creating hypothetical scenarios.  I think, we can
> tolerate some mistakes and just stay focused.
>

 As long as the list is not crawling with off-topic JOB posts and making
 our other discussions entirely impossible, I dont care if some one
 from Yahoo! or any other company posts a slightly off-topic JOB
 announcement.

 If we get to a stage where we are really swamped by non-Pythonic
 JOB posting robots, we can incrementally take a better stand.
 No need for worrying about hypothetical scenarios now.
 Show some flexibility.



>
> --
> Senthil
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From abpillai at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 17:19:31 2011
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:49:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] About pypy and bangpypers
In-Reply-To: <CANiY96aSw7iJtQDufYp3PK3ZjWEXpzJhap9aem1GNzA35UdJEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANiY96YkgTxZMJUqeQ4E9GJFA2FkGqD7qZPm0oNaYA6pEdyb2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<87boun2myv.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CANiY96aSw7iJtQDufYp3PK3ZjWEXpzJhap9aem1GNzA35UdJEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACpj97Dd-HbQYJoHAX5Ed8_Ww7W3M77t=R2T6U+FS+SvJEoGdg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com>wrote:

> On 9/14/11, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I was hoping to resurrect this after PyCon India this weekend. I'm eager
> > to get it going.
>

Same here. Looking fwd to meet up on this after Pycon India.


> >
>
> Sounds good. I'll begin preparation for the meetup. For me, getting
> pypy to work will be a bit special, since I'll need to "port" it to
> run with what ever's available on the illumos platform.
>
> > --
> > ~noufal
> > http://nibrahim.net.in
> >
> > The first condition of immortality is death. -Stanislaw Lec
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
> -- Sriram
> ==================
> Belenix: www.belenix.org
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



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From jayneil.dalal at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 18:52:47 2011
From: jayneil.dalal at gmail.com (Jayneil Dalal)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 22:22:47 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] URGENT: problem using Pyserial in Python
In-Reply-To: <CAMP95e6kYfV=ZCbzLuRZ9yonhGtxXEBP9PAQfwjrnCbSQi51wQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMP95e4DtFge_sEK_PxEJjqwim2Z9zayxVn_i-M1YLBaZuOutQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMP95e6kYfV=ZCbzLuRZ9yonhGtxXEBP9PAQfwjrnCbSQi51wQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMP95e4Q49MhERtOit70vrLvZ0+8B8CvoR04A+0yf+J8FXSerQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Sir/Madam,
I am currently trying to develop a GUI for serial communication based on
Python.

Following are my specs:
OS:Linux( Ubuntu 11.04)
Python version: 3.1.3
Pyserial version: 2.5

I did the following in IDLE :

1)import serial
2)import time
3)ser=serial.Serial()
4)ser.port="/dev/ttyS0"
Note:- I have a laptop. So I have only USB ports. But when I tried
dev/ttyUSB0 it gave me errors..So i did not use it
5)ser.baudrate=19200

Now this is where I get the errors:
6)ser.open()
The error is:

*Traceback (most recent call last):*
*  File "<pyshell#12>", line 1, in <module>*
*    ser.open()*
*  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/serial/serialposix.py", line 280, in
open*
*    self._reconfigurePort()*
*  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/serial/serialposix.py", line 308, in
_reconfigurePort*
*    raise SerialException("Could not configure port: %s" % msg)*
*serial.serialutil.SerialException: Could not configure port: (5,
'Input/output error')*
*
*
So can you please suggest me how to avoid this.

Looking forward to your positive response.

Regards,
Jayneil.

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 19:18:10 2011
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 22:48:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] About pypy and bangpypers
In-Reply-To: <CANiY96aSw7iJtQDufYp3PK3ZjWEXpzJhap9aem1GNzA35UdJEw@mail.gmail.com>
	(Sriram Narayanan's message of "Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:29:36 +0530")
References: <CANiY96YkgTxZMJUqeQ4E9GJFA2FkGqD7qZPm0oNaYA6pEdyb2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<87boun2myv.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CANiY96aSw7iJtQDufYp3PK3ZjWEXpzJhap9aem1GNzA35UdJEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8739fz2gbx.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>

Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> writes:

> On 9/14/11, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I was hoping to resurrect this after PyCon India this weekend. I'm eager
>> to get it going.
>>
>
> Sounds good. I'll begin preparation for the meetup. For me, getting
> pypy to work will be a bit special, since I'll need to "port" it to
> run with what ever's available on the illumos platform.

[...]

That will probably give us a good chance to get our hands dirty. I'd be
willing to pitch in. It'll probably have to be longer than a "normal"
user group meeting but let's keep the dicussions till after PyCon. 


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

An empty cab drove up and Sarah Bernhardt got out. -Arthur Baer, American comic and columnist

From noufal at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 19:20:09 2011
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 22:50:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List guidelines
In-Reply-To: <CACpj97AE364c33gRU6oRuGa+TJktkbPPByCaqzaKpQsrsCtdMw@mail.gmail.com>
	(Anand Balachandran Pillai's message of "Wed, 14 Sep 2011 20:43:45
	+0530")
References: <CAHPRk5E9e=cTmqG5nMdRBa-Z0x3LuOKQqvpW3juYSpgdhRjdEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<87mxe747rl.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<20110914125020.GB2507@mathmagic>
	<87fwjz46zd.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<20110914131403.GC2507@mathmagic>
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Message-ID: <87wrdb11o6.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>

Anand Balachandran Pillai <abpillai at gmail.com> writes:


[...]

>  If we get to a stage where we are really swamped by non-Pythonic
>  JOB posting robots, we can incrementally take a better stand.
>  No need for worrying about hypothetical scenarios now.
>  Show some flexibility.

[...]

Fair enough. 

I don't think we'll ever arrive at an agreement about politeness and
decorum so I'll personally stick to the common denominator and stay
formal. 

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 19:40:01 2011
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 23:10:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List guidelines
In-Reply-To: <87wrdb11o6.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
References: <CAHPRk5E9e=cTmqG5nMdRBa-Z0x3LuOKQqvpW3juYSpgdhRjdEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<87mxe747rl.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<20110914125020.GB2507@mathmagic>
	<87fwjz46zd.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
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	<874o0f45n4.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAPOVWOSo5mYdnCgpY37Zhf00iH_Wi5pcxOEaPFCK6LQSkycjJA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Fair enough.
>
> I don't think we'll ever arrive at an agreement about politeness and
> decorum so I'll personally stick to the common denominator and stay
> formal.
>

I'd say we should bring down this "formal" stuff a bit.

> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
>
> I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.
> _______________________________________________
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>

-- Sriram
==================
Belenix: www.belenix.org

From ramkrsna at gmail.com  Wed Sep 14 21:40:16 2011
From: ramkrsna at gmail.com (Ramakrishna Reddy)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 01:10:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] About pypy and bangpypers
In-Reply-To: <CANiY96YkgTxZMJUqeQ4E9GJFA2FkGqD7qZPm0oNaYA6pEdyb2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANiY96YkgTxZMJUqeQ4E9GJFA2FkGqD7qZPm0oNaYA6pEdyb2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOMzwmGv7XKYYqR42Jk+N98Y6--ER8VhE14nvB4Xvx486qZo4A@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I'm asking because I'm interested. I'd like to see how I can package
> pypy for Belenix someday, and I want to pair with various python
> programmers and understand how people think about a platform when
> considering it for use.

Fedora earlier this year proposed pypy as one of its supported
runtimes, The project is work in progress, this is the tracker bug
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=588941.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PyPyStack. Hopefully this
picks up momentum.  Could someone propose a lighting talk /
Sprint(unofficial) regarding this at Pycon India ?


-- 
Ramakrishna Reddy? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? GPG
Key ID:31FF0090
Fingerprint =? 18D7 3FC1 784B B57F C08F? 32B9 4496 B2A1 31FF 0090

From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Sep 15 06:53:27 2011
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 10:23:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] About pypy and bangpypers
In-Reply-To: <CAOMzwmGv7XKYYqR42Jk+N98Y6--ER8VhE14nvB4Xvx486qZo4A@mail.gmail.com>
	(Ramakrishna Reddy's message of "Thu, 15 Sep 2011 01:10:16 +0530")
References: <CANiY96YkgTxZMJUqeQ4E9GJFA2FkGqD7qZPm0oNaYA6pEdyb2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOMzwmGv7XKYYqR42Jk+N98Y6--ER8VhE14nvB4Xvx486qZo4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <877h5a1k54.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>

Ramakrishna Reddy <ramkrsna at gmail.com> writes:

> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm asking because I'm interested. I'd like to see how I can package
>> pypy for Belenix someday, and I want to pair with various python
>> programmers and understand how people think about a platform when
>> considering it for use.
>
> Fedora earlier this year proposed pypy as one of its supported
> runtimes, The project is work in progress, this is the tracker bug
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=588941.
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/PyPyStack. Hopefully this
> picks up momentum.  Could someone propose a lighting talk /
> Sprint(unofficial) regarding this at Pycon India ?

It would be nice if someone who's worked on this proposed one. Is there
anyone here? 

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

"Triumph without Victory, The Unreported History of the Persian Gulf War", -Headline published in the U.S. News & World Report, 1992.

From jace at pobox.com  Thu Sep 15 07:28:38 2011
From: jace at pobox.com (Kiran Jonnalagadda)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 10:58:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List guidelines (was: [JOB] - Yahoo!)
In-Reply-To: <20110914125020.GB2507@mathmagic>
References: <CAHPRk5E9e=cTmqG5nMdRBa-Z0x3LuOKQqvpW3juYSpgdhRjdEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<87mxe747rl.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<20110914125020.GB2507@mathmagic>
Message-ID: <CAFhXvyFBceNX9wEMCvj7X-H-sjiWDE4Hu6NBzFCmB69po+DhxQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Senthil Kumaran <senthil at uthcode.com>wrote:

> > I hear from others (BRUG, BarCamp Bangalore) that first time posters who
> > send recruitment mails are simply rejected. That sounds like a sane
> > policy to me.
>
> No. First time posters are welcome. Spammers are not.
>

Our policy at Barcamp Bangalore is that any form of *advertising* from a
first-time poster is not accepted. Participation in any ongoing discussion,
or a new discussion that seeks opinion is welcome.

Since Barcamp is a general forum with no specific topic for discussion, this
policy helps filter out a lot of junk from posters who don't otherwise
participate, while keeping the list useful for those who do, including as an
advertising target.

Kiran

From sajuptpm at gmail.com  Thu Sep 15 09:31:23 2011
From: sajuptpm at gmail.com (Saju M)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 13:01:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] RE : Python mechanize Change the Location of Google
	search
Message-ID: <CANR2JHjprmohGsE02ixOmYY3N53qA=qQ+Vq-y_5xM9PL9WZB5g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I also tried to change google search location through
http://www.google.co.in/preferences?hl=en#loc , but getting error
mechanize._response.httperror_seek_wrapper: HTTP Error 404: Not Found

Here is the code i tried

import re
import cookielib
from mechanize import Browser
import mechanize

br1= Browser()
# Cookie Jar
cj = cookielib.LWPCookieJar()
br1.set_cookiejar(cj)

br1.set_handle_robots(False)
br1.addheaders = [('User-agent', 'Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686;
en-US; rv:1.9.0.1) Gecko/2008071615 Fedora/3.0.1-1.fc9
Firefox/3.0.1')]

P_URL = "http://www.google.co.in/preferences?hl=en#loc"
s_page = br1.open(P_URL)
loc_form = br1.select_form(name="langform")
br1.form['luul'] = u'bangaluru' # <------ New location
resp = br1.submit()
print "---------resp---------",resp.read()


Output
=======

$ python a11.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "a11.py", line 94, in ?
    resp = br1.submit()
  File "build/bdist.linux-i686/egg/mechanize/_mechanize.py", line 541, in submit
  File "build/bdist.linux-i686/egg/mechanize/_mechanize.py", line 203, in open
  File "build/bdist.linux-i686/egg/mechanize/_mechanize.py", line 255,
in _mech_open
mechanize._response.httperror_seek_wrapper: HTTP Error 404: Not Found



===============================================

Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 16:31:49 +0530
From: Saju M <sajuptpm at gmail.com>
To: bangpypers at python.org
Subject: [BangPypers] Python mechanize Change the Location of Google
       search
Message-ID:
       <CANR2JHi5=hqVStMRXjHy7GBjQAqLuaEnA9yB4KeYBMWLK_TrXg at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I want to open Google search page and Change the Location link in the
left hand nav of Google) from the users current location to a
different location, then return the results of the updated search.

I done following coding.
Issue is, Left side Change Location form of google is javacript
driven, So br.submit() not working .
Have any way to solve this issue ???

import re
from mechanize import Browser

LOGIN_URL = "http://www.google.co.in/search?q=new+york+locksmith&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a"

br = Browser()
br.set_handle_robots(False)
br.addheaders = [('User-agent', 'Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686;
en-US; rv:1.9.0.1) Gecko/2008071615 Fedora/3.0.1-1.fc9
Firefox/3.0.1')]

s_page = br.open(LOGIN_URL)

loc_form = br.select_form(nr=1)

loc_text_fld = br.form.find_control(id='lc-input')

loc_text_fld.__dict__['_value'] = 'kerala' #Change the Location

resp = br.submit()

print "\n\n----------resp----------", resp.read() #Returning blank
google search page.

From senthil at uthcode.com  Thu Sep 15 10:54:13 2011
From: senthil at uthcode.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 16:54:13 +0800
Subject: [BangPypers] RE : Python mechanize Change the Location of
	Google search
In-Reply-To: <CANR2JHjprmohGsE02ixOmYY3N53qA=qQ+Vq-y_5xM9PL9WZB5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANR2JHjprmohGsE02ixOmYY3N53qA=qQ+Vq-y_5xM9PL9WZB5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPOVWOR-iQDtaAm7GkQv4A3Ww0U81MDfabdw_Smk9v1H7i+W=w@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Saju M <sajuptpm at gmail.com> wrote:
> I also tried to change google search location through
> http://www.google.co.in/preferences?hl=en#loc , but getting error
> mechanize._response.httperror_seek_wrapper: HTTP Error 404: Not Found

Mechanize does not support any action done via Javascript and there
seems a javascript call involved in setting the location there.
Turn Javascript off in your browser and try to change the location.
You will notice that it throws errors.

Perhaps it is the same which is happening when accessed via mechanize.

BTW, do you really need mechanize for the task that you are trying to do?

Would not their AJAX API
(http://code.google.com/apis/websearch/docs/#fonje_snippets ) help you
to accomplish the same with lesser hassle ? (at least until they
retire it :))

---
Senthil

From nikunjbadjatya at gmail.com  Thu Sep 15 19:36:17 2011
From: nikunjbadjatya at gmail.com (Nikunj Badjatya)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 23:06:17 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <CAM2QRP_4W9JtsT-p4abj_QvKnE3hHjEzu_+BYkhyOspL4R8YtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM2QRP_4W9JtsT-p4abj_QvKnE3hHjEzu_+BYkhyOspL4R8YtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOwQg9td0VO3nXTjAB6PVC6xD593mTW6JUpunyW47hMbrb_X-g@mail.gmail.com>

+1

:)




On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:34 PM, AKARSH SANGHI <akarsh.sanghi at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hey, here's a great video with Python in it.
>
> http://youtu.be/1lBeungEnx4
>
> Although it's also about matlab.
>
> --
>
> Akarsh Sanghi
> Jaypee Institute of Information Technology University
> Undergraduate Student Class of 2013
> Mob: (+91)-9818489945
> Email: akarsh.sanghi at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
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> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From senthil at uthcode.com  Fri Sep 16 16:08:02 2011
From: senthil at uthcode.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:08:02 +0800
Subject: [BangPypers] problem using Pyserial in Python
In-Reply-To: <CAMP95e4Q49MhERtOit70vrLvZ0+8B8CvoR04A+0yf+J8FXSerQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMP95e4DtFge_sEK_PxEJjqwim2Z9zayxVn_i-M1YLBaZuOutQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMP95e6kYfV=ZCbzLuRZ9yonhGtxXEBP9PAQfwjrnCbSQi51wQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMP95e4Q49MhERtOit70vrLvZ0+8B8CvoR04A+0yf+J8FXSerQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110916140802.GB1966@mathmagic>

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:22:47PM +0530, Jayneil Dalal wrote:
> *    raise SerialException("Could not configure port: %s" % msg)*
> *serial.serialutil.SerialException: Could not configure port: (5,
> 'Input/output error')*
> *

Your Port is not attached to the program yet, or perhaps you are using
a wrong socket.  You might need to do some basis testing and identify
what is happening. Try running the pyserial test suite or find how to
to verify that serial communication is indeed happening.

Also execute your program via terminal rather than IDLE. IDLE does not
play well with sockets.

-- 
Senthil

From senthil at uthcode.com  Fri Sep 16 16:10:50 2011
From: senthil at uthcode.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 22:10:50 +0800
Subject: [BangPypers] wx.TreeCtrl !
In-Reply-To: <CAFGny34cz1XZHmUU+xYTCdsc_jc7=PQYTZUjOni1mjm4O7a7KA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFGny34cz1XZHmUU+xYTCdsc_jc7=PQYTZUjOni1mjm4O7a7KA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110916141050.GC1966@mathmagic>

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 07:28:18PM +0530, a?l??l?sl? wrote:
> with all the folder in a hierarchical Tree structure, and can multiple
> folders can be selected to do task like copy/paste/delete....
>      need help on wx as how to go abt it...

I think, this is fairly common use-case when dealing with any GUI
library. After starting with wxwidgets

http://www.learningpython.com/2007/01/29/creating-a-gui-using-python-wxwidgets-and-wxpython/

You may just look for the example program here in the http://www.wxwidgets.org/
for directory nativagator and tree structure.
Then you can deal with copy/paste/delete functions.

-- 
Senthil


From lawgon at gmail.com  Sat Sep 17 05:53:20 2011
From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:23:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List guidelines (was:  [JOB] - Yahoo!)
In-Reply-To: <87mxe747rl.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
References: <CAHPRk5E9e=cTmqG5nMdRBa-Z0x3LuOKQqvpW3juYSpgdhRjdEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<87mxe747rl.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1316231604.1774.1.camel@xlquest.web>

On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 18:10 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> I hear from others (BRUG, BarCamp Bangalore) that first time posters
> who
> send recruitment mails are simply rejected. That sounds like a sane
> policy to me. 

chennaipy rejects all recruitment mail that does not have any concrete
reference to python.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From lawgon at gmail.com  Sat Sep 17 05:56:24 2011
From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:26:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List guidelines
In-Reply-To: <878vpr460p.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
References: <CAHPRk5E9e=cTmqG5nMdRBa-Z0x3LuOKQqvpW3juYSpgdhRjdEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<87mxe747rl.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<20110914125020.GB2507@mathmagic>
	<87fwjz46zd.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<20110914131403.GC2507@mathmagic>
	<878vpr460p.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1316231789.1774.3.camel@xlquest.web>

On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 18:47 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> So, job postings not at all related to Python are fine as long as
> they're prefixed with [JOB]? 

no - unless it is a generic 'programmers wanted' post without specifying
tools.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From lawgon at gmail.com  Sat Sep 17 05:57:12 2011
From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:27:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List guidelines
In-Reply-To: <874o0f45n4.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
References: <CAHPRk5E9e=cTmqG5nMdRBa-Z0x3LuOKQqvpW3juYSpgdhRjdEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<87mxe747rl.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<20110914125020.GB2507@mathmagic>
	<87fwjz46zd.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<20110914131403.GC2507@mathmagic>
	<878vpr460p.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CABqGjSp_BdZ_NQbWmAbr3ekF8u7A+yzYY7WL1pb60Xf6RW2TYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<874o0f45n4.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1316231835.1774.4.camel@xlquest.web>

On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 18:56 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
> So, random headhunters/recruiters are free to use this list to post
> for
> any job postings but the onus is on the list members to filter out the
> Python related postings from the non python ones. Correct? 
> 
> Am I the only one who thinks this is backward? 

I am with you
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From lawgon at gmail.com  Sat Sep 17 06:00:51 2011
From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 09:30:51 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] List guidelines
In-Reply-To: <CANiY96Za=g4K0gTTA_FkBqzSZBOeknEMS3-L3Nvye7_U0viUXg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHPRk5E9e=cTmqG5nMdRBa-Z0x3LuOKQqvpW3juYSpgdhRjdEA@mail.gmail.com>
	<87mxe747rl.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<20110914125020.GB2507@mathmagic>
	<87fwjz46zd.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<20110914131403.GC2507@mathmagic>
	<878vpr460p.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CABqGjSp_BdZ_NQbWmAbr3ekF8u7A+yzYY7WL1pb60Xf6RW2TYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<874o0f45n4.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAPOVWOSo5mYdnCgpY37Zhf00iH_Wi5pcxOEaPFCK6LQSkycjJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<87ty8f2omi.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CANiY96Za=g4K0gTTA_FkBqzSZBOeknEMS3-L3Nvye7_U0viUXg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1316232054.1774.5.camel@xlquest.web>

On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 20:17 +0530, Sriram Narayanan wrote:
> Sorry, poking fun at a company's board of directors, etc, is in poor
> taste, and cannot be condoned off as light hearted humor. Poking fun
> at a company's practices, especially one which one may not yourself
> practice and therefore not be in a position to comment on, is also
> tells poorly poorly about that commentator. It has been only these two
> cases that I've raised concerns about. 

nothing wrong with poking fun
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From as1438 at msstate.edu  Sat Sep 17 06:26:34 2011
From: as1438 at msstate.edu (Ananya Sharma)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 23:26:34 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Parsing data
Message-ID: <CACjq4_gK_H7c0LHV1rpyA-t_crGM3BO97OrCUPC1gz5HPLcrrA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,

I am just a beginner in python. I have to write a script to parse a data
file I have written a script but it is not working. Can anybody please help
me to fix it? Let me explain the task I want to accomplish using this
script.

I have 2 files A and B. File A has ~1450 names which have a corresponding
value in file B. File B also has some extra data which I do not need in my
result (there are ~2700 values in file B). Preview of these files and my
script is given below --

*File A-*
>PSUB.GBD61H402FPT34:0-372
>PSUB.GBD61H401EQ8PG:0-365
>PSUB.GBD61H401AV35C:0-423
>PSUB.GBD61H401EWL7A:0-442
>PSUB.GBD61H401CWYC8:0-284

*File B-*
>PSUB.GBD61H402FPT34:0-372
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
NNNNCATTTCCTTGAGTATTAGGCCATTCATGCTGTCAATTTTCTTAACT
ATTTGGAAATCCTAGTTGTACAAGATGGCCTTTTTCCCACCTGTATTTGC
TTGGTCTGTGTACTGTAGTCTGCCTCTGCAAATGTTGTGGGAGGACTAAA
TGTGGCGGGGGTGGGCTGACAG
>PSUB.GBD61H401EQ8PG:0-365
GTTCTGTATTXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXGTTGTGTATTAAAAACAATGCA
ATTCTTGGGCAAAGCAGTATGATTGGTTGTGTTTAAGATATCATAGATTC
TGCATACCAGAGCATTTGAGTAAGAAATGCATTTACTAGTAATTATTTTC
ACCCCTTAAAGAAGT
>PSUB.GBD61H401DZU65:0-306
TAAACCATGGAGATCAXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXCAAAAGAGGGATATTTAGTTA
GAAAAAAAACCCCACATGGAAGTAATTTTAAACGACCCTGTTGATTTGTT
ATACAG
>PSUB.GBD61H401DLDLT:0-387
ATTTTAAATGTACATCTCATTTAAAGGATTTTTTCCCTAAAGAATTGGAA
ACCGXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX


*Script-*
*
*
f1=open('fileA','r')
f2=open('fileB','r')
a=""
b=""
for n in f1:
    while not b.startswith(n):
        b=f2.readline()
    if len(a)>0:
             print a
    b=""
    while not b.startswith(">"):
       a=a+f2.readline()+"__"


Any help would be highly appreciated. Thanks.

Ananya

From gora at mimirtech.com  Sat Sep 17 08:03:48 2011
From: gora at mimirtech.com (Gora Mohanty)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:33:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Parsing data
In-Reply-To: <CACjq4_gK_H7c0LHV1rpyA-t_crGM3BO97OrCUPC1gz5HPLcrrA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACjq4_gK_H7c0LHV1rpyA-t_crGM3BO97OrCUPC1gz5HPLcrrA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACiMRGKAUZzG2TNEg+zyxk5E7decR1QUiWXUJs-RhuOR16mNVA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Ananya Sharma <as1438 at msstate.edu> wrote:
[...]

Could you explain the logic that you are trying to use in the code
below, because it is not making much sense. Also, is this a
homework problem?

> *Script-*
> *
> *
> f1=open('fileA','r')
> f2=open('fileB','r')
> a=""
> b=""
> for n in f1:
> ? ?while not b.startswith(n):
> ? ? ? ?b=f2.readline()
> ? ?if len(a)>0:
> ? ? ? ? ? ? print a

a is always "" above, so len(a) is always zero.

> ? ?b=""
> ? ?while not b.startswith(">"):
> ? ? ? a=a+f2.readline()+"__"
[...]

You just set b to "", so the if conditional is never entered.

Regards,
Gora

From as1438 at msstate.edu  Sat Sep 17 18:03:56 2011
From: as1438 at msstate.edu (Ananya Sharma)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 11:03:56 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Parsing data
In-Reply-To: <CACiMRGKAUZzG2TNEg+zyxk5E7decR1QUiWXUJs-RhuOR16mNVA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACjq4_gK_H7c0LHV1rpyA-t_crGM3BO97OrCUPC1gz5HPLcrrA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACiMRGKAUZzG2TNEg+zyxk5E7decR1QUiWXUJs-RhuOR16mNVA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACjq4_i8U+cMtjQSGmZ1M1trUTScOe40gyTog4BaMsk_OsibpA@mail.gmail.com>

I am trying to look up each value from file A and loop it through file B. As
i already said that I am new in python programming so this is what I could
come up with. And this is the output of an algorithm I use in my research so
its not a part of any homework assignment.

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 1:03 AM, Gora Mohanty <gora at mimirtech.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Ananya Sharma <as1438 at msstate.edu> wrote:
> [...]
>
> Could you explain the logic that you are trying to use in the code
> below, because it is not making much sense. Also, is this a
> homework problem?
>
> > *Script-*
> > *
> > *
> > f1=open('fileA','r')
> > f2=open('fileB','r')
> > a=""
> > b=""
> > for n in f1:
> >    while not b.startswith(n):
> >        b=f2.readline()
> >    if len(a)>0:
> >             print a
>
> a is always "" above, so len(a) is always zero.
>
> >    b=""
> >    while not b.startswith(">"):
> >       a=a+f2.readline()+"__"
> [...]
>
> You just set b to "", so the if conditional is never entered.
>
> Regards,
> Gora
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From gora at mimirtech.com  Sat Sep 17 21:22:05 2011
From: gora at mimirtech.com (Gora Mohanty)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 00:52:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Parsing data
In-Reply-To: <CACjq4_i8U+cMtjQSGmZ1M1trUTScOe40gyTog4BaMsk_OsibpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACjq4_gK_H7c0LHV1rpyA-t_crGM3BO97OrCUPC1gz5HPLcrrA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACiMRGKAUZzG2TNEg+zyxk5E7decR1QUiWXUJs-RhuOR16mNVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACjq4_i8U+cMtjQSGmZ1M1trUTScOe40gyTog4BaMsk_OsibpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACiMRGL7tRPChehBnV=jKbaCb8hTgxb_fTwYbVkYRmvfjb802w@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Ananya Sharma <as1438 at msstate.edu> wrote:
> I am trying to look up each value from file A and loop it through file B. As
> i already said that I am new in python programming so this is what I could
> come up with.

Um, the code is quite far from accomplishing that. While
I am sure that people could write this function for you, in
order for you to learn, it would be best if you could explain
your logic in words, or pseudo-code. You do not need to
know Python in order to come up with this logic.

> And this is the output of an algorithm I use in my research so
> its not a part of any homework assignment.

OK.

Regards,
Gora

From as1438 at msstate.edu  Sat Sep 17 22:49:40 2011
From: as1438 at msstate.edu (Ananya Sharma)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 15:49:40 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Parsing data
In-Reply-To: <CACiMRGL7tRPChehBnV=jKbaCb8hTgxb_fTwYbVkYRmvfjb802w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACjq4_gK_H7c0LHV1rpyA-t_crGM3BO97OrCUPC1gz5HPLcrrA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACiMRGKAUZzG2TNEg+zyxk5E7decR1QUiWXUJs-RhuOR16mNVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACjq4_i8U+cMtjQSGmZ1M1trUTScOe40gyTog4BaMsk_OsibpA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACiMRGL7tRPChehBnV=jKbaCb8hTgxb_fTwYbVkYRmvfjb802w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACjq4_jFw96Jo-wnVP4u91pvuud+OXnaaGR0rSWZG7_Q0gCwVQ@mail.gmail.com>

The logic is that i have file A which has some names and file B which has
values for each name in file A and some extra values. I want to make a
script which gives me the values from file B corresponding to all the names
given in file A. My files look like -

*File A-*
>PSUB.GBD61H402FPT34:0-372
>PSUB.GBD61H401EQ8PG:0-365
>PSUB.GBD61H401AV35C:0-423
>PSUB.GBD61H401EWL7A:0-442
>PSUB.GBD61H401CWYC8:0-284

*File B-*
>PSUB.GBD61H402FPT34:0-372
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
NNNNCATTTCCTTGAGTATTAGGCCATTCATGCTGTCAATTTTCTTAACT
ATTTGGAAATCCTAGTTGTACAAGATGGCCTTTTTCCCACCTGTATTTGC
TTGGTCTGTGTACTGTAGTCTGCCTCTGCAAATGTTGTGGGAGGACTAAA
TGTGGCGGGGGTGGGCTGACAG
>PSUB.GBD61H401EQ8PG:0-365
GTTCTGTATTXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXGTTGTGTATTAAAAACAATGCA
ATTCTTGGGCAAAGCAGTATGATTGGTTGTGTTTAAGATATCATAGATTC
TGCATACCAGAGCATTTGAGTAAGAAATGCATTTACTAGTAATTATTTTC
ACCCCTTAAAGAAGT
>PSUB.GBD61H401DZU65:0-306
TAAACCATGGAGATCAXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXCAAAAGAGGGATATTTAGTTA
GAAAAAAAACCCCACATGGAAGTAATTTTAAACGACCCTGTTGATTTGTT
ATACAG
>PSUB.GBD61H401DLDLT:0-387
ATTTTAAATGTACATCTCATTTAAAGGATTTTTTCCCTAAAGAATTGGAA
ACCGXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX


Can anyone please help me write a script in python to accomplish this task.
Thanks.

Ananya



On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Gora Mohanty <gora at mimirtech.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Ananya Sharma <as1438 at msstate.edu> wrote:
> > I am trying to look up each value from file A and loop it through file B.
> As
> > i already said that I am new in python programming so this is what I
> could
> > come up with.
>
> Um, the code is quite far from accomplishing that. While
> I am sure that people could write this function for you, in
> order for you to learn, it would be best if you could explain
> your logic in words, or pseudo-code. You do not need to
> know Python in order to come up with this logic.
>
> > And this is the output of an algorithm I use in my research so
> > its not a part of any homework assignment.
>
> OK.
>
> Regards,
> Gora
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From gora at mimirtech.com  Sat Sep 17 23:05:06 2011
From: gora at mimirtech.com (Gora Mohanty)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 02:35:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Parsing data
In-Reply-To: <CACjq4_jFw96Jo-wnVP4u91pvuud+OXnaaGR0rSWZG7_Q0gCwVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACjq4_gK_H7c0LHV1rpyA-t_crGM3BO97OrCUPC1gz5HPLcrrA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACiMRGKAUZzG2TNEg+zyxk5E7decR1QUiWXUJs-RhuOR16mNVA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACjq4_i8U+cMtjQSGmZ1M1trUTScOe40gyTog4BaMsk_OsibpA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACiMRGL7tRPChehBnV=jKbaCb8hTgxb_fTwYbVkYRmvfjb802w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACjq4_jFw96Jo-wnVP4u91pvuud+OXnaaGR0rSWZG7_Q0gCwVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACiMRGKjV2aK0WACCGz4QNgsMMdxTJW3aNRjZ3oJUG1-2G43oQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:19 AM, Ananya Sharma <as1438 at msstate.edu> wrote:
> The logic is that i have file A which has some names and file B which has
> values for each name in file A and some extra values. I want to make a
> script which gives me the values from file B corresponding to all the names
> given in file A.
[...]

You already described that. I meant the logic of how you would
go about implementing this. Describing this in words should help
you in writing the code.

Alternatively, if you do not really care about learning how to
program, maybe some kind soul will write this trivial program
for you.

Regards,
Gora

From senthil at uthcode.com  Sun Sep 18 03:49:29 2011
From: senthil at uthcode.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 09:49:29 +0800
Subject: [BangPypers] Parsing data
In-Reply-To: <CACjq4_gK_H7c0LHV1rpyA-t_crGM3BO97OrCUPC1gz5HPLcrrA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACjq4_gK_H7c0LHV1rpyA-t_crGM3BO97OrCUPC1gz5HPLcrrA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110918014929.GA1865@mathmagic>

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:26:34PM -0500, Ananya Sharma wrote:
> 
> *File A-*
> >PSUB.GBD61H402FPT34:0-372
> 
> *File B-*
> >PSUB.GBD61H402FPT34:0-372
> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> XXXXXXXXNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
> NNNNCATTTCCTTGAGTATTAGGCCATTCATGCTGTCAATTTTCTTAACT
> ATTTGGAAATCCTAGTTGTACAAGATGGCCTTTTTCCCACCTGTATTTGC
> TTGGTCTGTGTACTGTAGTCTGCCTCTGCAAATGTTGTGGGAGGACTAAA
> TGTGGCGGGGGTGGGCTGACAG

Here is the simplest scenario of your case. In this what do you want
to do Ignore XXX...CAG in File-B and print only the >PSUB.?

If that is the case, you could iterate over file-b and look for lines
starting with > and then put them to a list and then do your
operations.

In your code:

> f1=open('fileA','r')
> f2=open('fileB','r')
> a=""
> b=""

> for n in f1:
>     while not b.startswith(n):
>         b=f2.readline()

This loop will break when f2 has line starting with >PSUB.

>     if len(a)>0:
>              print a

Won't have any effect.

>     b=""

You are resetting b.

>     while not b.startswith(">"):
>        a=a+f2.readline()+"__"
> 
Won't have any effect.

> 
> Any help would be highly appreciated. Thanks.

Do you see why your program is not working when reduced to the
simplest case?

If you are trying to find entities in B which are in A.
Just recreate B so that you remove all the non > starting lines and
then compare.

-- 
Senthil




From wah_meng at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 18 11:15:31 2011
From: wah_meng at yahoo.com (Wah Meng Wong)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 02:15:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Python 2.7.1 build successful,
	however many modules failed on HP-UX 11.31 ia64 with aCC
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5048.1316029219.27777.bangpypers@python.org>
References: <mailman.5048.1316029219.27777.bangpypers@python.org>
Message-ID: <1316337331.30517.YahooMailNeo@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello there,

I am trying to build python 64-bit on HP Itanium platform with HP-UX Ansi C compiler. The python executable is successfully built however there are many errors generated when option +DD64 is passed in, many (more) modules failed to build (compared to 32-bit option is used).? 


I followed the instruction in README file to set and unset the enviornment variables like CC, CXX, LDFLAGS and BASECFLAGS like below, and remove Optimization option in the Makefile, however, many modules failed to build. There are warning messages on the compilation which I can ignore, however, there are fatal errors that "+DD64" is not a recognized flag in the linking process, with command ld.

export CC=cc
export CXX=aCC
export BASECFLAGS="+DD64"
export LDFLAGS="+DD64 -lxnet"


# swlist -l product | grep Compiler
? ACXX????????????????? C.06.26.EVAL?? HP C/aC++ Compiler 
? C-ANSI-C????????????? C.06.26.EVAL?? HP C/aC++ Compiler 
? COMPLIBS????????????? B.11.31??????? Compiler Support Libraries 

Messages showing the linking process failed. I am not sure why the ld command cannot accept the flag while the Makefile contains this option when it is generated by "./configure --without-gcc" command with 64-bit options enabled.? 


ld -b +DD64 -lxnet build/temp.hp-ux-B.11.31-ia64-2.7/home/r32813/Build/2.7.1/Python-2.7.1/Modules/mathmodule.o build/temp.hp-ux-B.11.31-ia64-2.7/home/r32813/Build/2.7.1/Python-2.7.1/Modules/_math.o -L/usr/local/lib -lm -o build/lib.hp-ux-B.11.31-ia64-2.7/math.so
ld: Unrecognized argument: +DD64
Fatal error.

Here is the summary output of the build. I don't think I can use this python executable, so many important modules that I use failed to build. Compared to 32-bit build, I only have 2 modules .

Python build finished, but the necessary bits to build these modules were not found:
_bsddb???????????? _curses??????????? _curses_panel?? 
_sqlite3?????????? _ssl?????????????? _tkinter??????? 
bsddb185?????????? bz2??????????????? dl????????????? 
gdbm?????????????? imageop??????????? linuxaudiodev?? 
ossaudiodev??????? readline?????????? spwd??????????? 
sunaudiodev??????? zlib?????????????????????????????? 
To find the necessary bits, look in setup.py in detect_modules() for the module's name.


Failed to build these modules:
_bisect??????????? _codecs_cn???????? _codecs_hk????? 
_codecs_iso2022??? _codecs_jp???????? _codecs_kr????? 
_codecs_tw???????? _collections?????? _csv??????????? 
_ctypes??????????? _ctypes_test?????? _elementtree??? 
_functools???????? _heapq???????????? _hotshot??????? 
_io??????????????? _json????????????? _locale???????? 
_lsprof??????????? _md5?????????????? _multibytecodec 
_multiprocessing?? _random??????????? _sha??????????? 
_socket??????????? _struct??????????? _testcapi?????? 
array????????????? audioop??????????? binascii??????? 
cmath????????????? cPickle??????????? crypt?????????? 
cStringIO????????? datetime?????????? dbm???????????? 
fcntl????????????? future_builtins??? grp???????????? 
itertools????????? math?????????????? mmap??????????? 
nis??????????????? operator?????????? parser????????? 
pyexpat??????????? resource?????????? select????????? 
strop????????????? syslog???????????? termios???????? 
time?????????????? unicodedata?????????????? 

Appreciate any input on this issue when 64-bit option is passed into aCC that cause so many errors on my server. Thanks! 

From senthil at uthcode.com  Sun Sep 18 12:23:41 2011
From: senthil at uthcode.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 18:23:41 +0800
Subject: [BangPypers] Python 2.7.1 build successful,
 however many modules failed on HP-UX 11.31 ia64 with aCC
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Message-ID: <20110918102341.GA5546@mathmagic>

On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 02:15:31AM -0700, Wah Meng Wong wrote:

> I am trying to build python 64-bit on HP Itanium platform with HP-UX
> Ansi C compiler. The python executable is successfully built however
> there are many errors generated when option +DD64 is passed in, many
> (more) modules failed to build (compared to 32-bit option is used).? 

You mean to say that python is building properly with all those
modules properly with 32bit compiler and not in 64 bit?
If that is the case, then it surely looks like a bug. You may want to
file open a issue at bugs.python.org

> Appreciate any input on this issue when 64-bit option is passed into
> aCC that cause so many errors on my server. Thanks! 

Few pointers.

- Can you use gcc instead of aCC in your machine and see if it can
  build?
- I see at least one open bug with ctypes module not compiling with 64 bit
  HP-UX.
- Try --enable-shared  switch of configure and see if it helps.

If nothing, please do open a bug report and you could get some pointers
from people familiar with that platform.

-- 
Senthil

From gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 19:31:51 2011
From: gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com (Gopalakrishnan Subramani)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 11:31:51 -0600
Subject: [BangPypers] Parsing data
In-Reply-To: <20110918014929.GA1865@mathmagic>
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Senthil and Gora Mohanty pointed out whats wrong on the code.

This is alternative option, not its best since I feel  always good to parse
the file B based on file spec instead of the following approach.


file_a_lines = open('FileA.txt').readlines()
file_b_content = open('FileB.txt').read()

for line in file_a_lines:
    start_pos =  file_b_content.find(line)

    if start_pos >= 0:
        end_pos = file_b_content.find(">", start_pos + 1)

        if end_pos > 0:
            print file_b_content[start_pos:end_pos]
        else: # to deal with end of the line
            print file_b_content[start_pos:]



On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Senthil Kumaran <senthil at uthcode.com>wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:26:34PM -0500, Ananya Sharma wrote:
> >
> > *File A-*
> > >PSUB.GBD61H402FPT34:0-372
> >
> > *File B-*
> > >PSUB.GBD61H402FPT34:0-372
> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> > XXXXXXXXNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
> > NNNNCATTTCCTTGAGTATTAGGCCATTCATGCTGTCAATTTTCTTAACT
> > ATTTGGAAATCCTAGTTGTACAAGATGGCCTTTTTCCCACCTGTATTTGC
> > TTGGTCTGTGTACTGTAGTCTGCCTCTGCAAATGTTGTGGGAGGACTAAA
> > TGTGGCGGGGGTGGGCTGACAG
>
> Here is the simplest scenario of your case. In this what do you want
> to do Ignore XXX...CAG in File-B and print only the >PSUB.?
>
> If that is the case, you could iterate over file-b and look for lines
> starting with > and then put them to a list and then do your
> operations.
>
> In your code:
>
> > f1=open('fileA','r')
> > f2=open('fileB','r')
> > a=""
> > b=""
>
> > for n in f1:
> >     while not b.startswith(n):
> >         b=f2.readline()
>
> This loop will break when f2 has line starting with >PSUB.
>
> >     if len(a)>0:
> >              print a
>
> Won't have any effect.
>
> >     b=""
>
> You are resetting b.
>
> >     while not b.startswith(">"):
> >        a=a+f2.readline()+"__"
> >
> Won't have any effect.
>
> >
> > Any help would be highly appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Do you see why your program is not working when reduced to the
> simplest case?
>
> If you are trying to find entities in B which are in A.
> Just recreate B so that you remove all the non > starting lines and
> then compare.
>
> --
> Senthil
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From mahendra0203 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 20:43:09 2011
From: mahendra0203 at gmail.com (mahendra N)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 00:13:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Parsing data
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	<20110918014929.GA1865@mathmagic>
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Have you thought of using regular expressions?. It might make ur job easier.

Checkout this link good explaination of reg exps.

Thanks and Regards,
Mahendra Naik

2011/9/18 Gopalakrishnan Subramani <gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com>

> Senthil and Gora Mohanty pointed out whats wrong on the code.
>
> This is alternative option, not its best since I feel  always good to parse
> the file B based on file spec instead of the following approach.
>
>
> file_a_lines = open('FileA.txt').readlines()
> file_b_content = open('FileB.txt').read()
>
> for line in file_a_lines:
>    start_pos =  file_b_content.find(line)
>
>    if start_pos >= 0:
>        end_pos = file_b_content.find(">", start_pos + 1)
>
>        if end_pos > 0:
>            print file_b_content[start_pos:end_pos]
>        else: # to deal with end of the line
>            print file_b_content[start_pos:]
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Senthil Kumaran <senthil at uthcode.com
> >wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:26:34PM -0500, Ananya Sharma wrote:
> > >
> > > *File A-*
> > > >PSUB.GBD61H402FPT34:0-372
> > >
> > > *File B-*
> > > >PSUB.GBD61H402FPT34:0-372
> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> > > XXXXXXXXNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
> > > NNNNCATTTCCTTGAGTATTAGGCCATTCATGCTGTCAATTTTCTTAACT
> > > ATTTGGAAATCCTAGTTGTACAAGATGGCCTTTTTCCCACCTGTATTTGC
> > > TTGGTCTGTGTACTGTAGTCTGCCTCTGCAAATGTTGTGGGAGGACTAAA
> > > TGTGGCGGGGGTGGGCTGACAG
> >
> > Here is the simplest scenario of your case. In this what do you want
> > to do Ignore XXX...CAG in File-B and print only the >PSUB.?
> >
> > If that is the case, you could iterate over file-b and look for lines
> > starting with > and then put them to a list and then do your
> > operations.
> >
> > In your code:
> >
> > > f1=open('fileA','r')
> > > f2=open('fileB','r')
> > > a=""
> > > b=""
> >
> > > for n in f1:
> > >     while not b.startswith(n):
> > >         b=f2.readline()
> >
> > This loop will break when f2 has line starting with >PSUB.
> >
> > >     if len(a)>0:
> > >              print a
> >
> > Won't have any effect.
> >
> > >     b=""
> >
> > You are resetting b.
> >
> > >     while not b.startswith(">"):
> > >        a=a+f2.readline()+"__"
> > >
> > Won't have any effect.
> >
> > >
> > > Any help would be highly appreciated. Thanks.
> >
> > Do you see why your program is not working when reduced to the
> > simplest case?
> >
> > If you are trying to find entities in B which are in A.
> > Just recreate B so that you remove all the non > starting lines and
> > then compare.
> >
> > --
> > Senthil
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From mahendra0203 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 18 20:55:48 2011
From: mahendra0203 at gmail.com (mahendra N)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 00:25:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Parsing data
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Fgt the link
http://code.google.com/edu/languages/google-python-class/regular-expressions.html

2011/9/19 mahendra N <mahendra0203 at gmail.com>

> Have you thought of using regular expressions?. It might make ur job
> easier.
>
> Checkout this link good explaination of reg exps.
>
> Thanks and Regards,
> Mahendra Naik
>
>
> 2011/9/18 Gopalakrishnan Subramani <gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com>
>
>> Senthil and Gora Mohanty pointed out whats wrong on the code.
>>
>> This is alternative option, not its best since I feel  always good to
>> parse
>> the file B based on file spec instead of the following approach.
>>
>>
>> file_a_lines = open('FileA.txt').readlines()
>> file_b_content = open('FileB.txt').read()
>>
>> for line in file_a_lines:
>>    start_pos =  file_b_content.find(line)
>>
>>    if start_pos >= 0:
>>        end_pos = file_b_content.find(">", start_pos + 1)
>>
>>        if end_pos > 0:
>>            print file_b_content[start_pos:end_pos]
>>        else: # to deal with end of the line
>>            print file_b_content[start_pos:]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Senthil Kumaran <senthil at uthcode.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:26:34PM -0500, Ananya Sharma wrote:
>> > >
>> > > *File A-*
>> > > >PSUB.GBD61H402FPT34:0-372
>> > >
>> > > *File B-*
>> > > >PSUB.GBD61H402FPT34:0-372
>> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
>> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
>> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
>> > > XXXXXXXXNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
>> > > NNNNCATTTCCTTGAGTATTAGGCCATTCATGCTGTCAATTTTCTTAACT
>> > > ATTTGGAAATCCTAGTTGTACAAGATGGCCTTTTTCCCACCTGTATTTGC
>> > > TTGGTCTGTGTACTGTAGTCTGCCTCTGCAAATGTTGTGGGAGGACTAAA
>> > > TGTGGCGGGGGTGGGCTGACAG
>> >
>> > Here is the simplest scenario of your case. In this what do you want
>> > to do Ignore XXX...CAG in File-B and print only the >PSUB.?
>> >
>> > If that is the case, you could iterate over file-b and look for lines
>> > starting with > and then put them to a list and then do your
>> > operations.
>> >
>> > In your code:
>> >
>> > > f1=open('fileA','r')
>> > > f2=open('fileB','r')
>> > > a=""
>> > > b=""
>> >
>> > > for n in f1:
>> > >     while not b.startswith(n):
>> > >         b=f2.readline()
>> >
>> > This loop will break when f2 has line starting with >PSUB.
>> >
>> > >     if len(a)>0:
>> > >              print a
>> >
>> > Won't have any effect.
>> >
>> > >     b=""
>> >
>> > You are resetting b.
>> >
>> > >     while not b.startswith(">"):
>> > >        a=a+f2.readline()+"__"
>> > >
>> > Won't have any effect.
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Any help would be highly appreciated. Thanks.
>> >
>> > Do you see why your program is not working when reduced to the
>> > simplest case?
>> >
>> > If you are trying to find entities in B which are in A.
>> > Just recreate B so that you remove all the non > starting lines and
>> > then compare.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Senthil
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > BangPypers mailing list
>> > BangPypers at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>

From gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com  Mon Sep 19 01:30:06 2011
From: gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com (Gopalakrishnan Subramani)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 17:30:06 -0600
Subject: [BangPypers] Parsing data
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At least I am not great at regular expressions. I agree that regex may
reduce the number of lines,.


On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:55 PM, mahendra N <mahendra0203 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Fgt the link
>
> http://code.google.com/edu/languages/google-python-class/regular-expressions.html
>
> 2011/9/19 mahendra N <mahendra0203 at gmail.com>
>
> > Have you thought of using regular expressions?. It might make ur job
> > easier.
> >
> > Checkout this link good explaination of reg exps.
> >
> > Thanks and Regards,
> > Mahendra Naik
> >
> >
> > 2011/9/18 Gopalakrishnan Subramani <gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com>
> >
> >> Senthil and Gora Mohanty pointed out whats wrong on the code.
> >>
> >> This is alternative option, not its best since I feel  always good to
> >> parse
> >> the file B based on file spec instead of the following approach.
> >>
> >>
> >> file_a_lines = open('FileA.txt').readlines()
> >> file_b_content = open('FileB.txt').read()
> >>
> >> for line in file_a_lines:
> >>    start_pos =  file_b_content.find(line)
> >>
> >>    if start_pos >= 0:
> >>        end_pos = file_b_content.find(">", start_pos + 1)
> >>
> >>        if end_pos > 0:
> >>            print file_b_content[start_pos:end_pos]
> >>        else: # to deal with end of the line
> >>            print file_b_content[start_pos:]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Senthil Kumaran <senthil at uthcode.com
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:26:34PM -0500, Ananya Sharma wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > *File A-*
> >> > > >PSUB.GBD61H402FPT34:0-372
> >> > >
> >> > > *File B-*
> >> > > >PSUB.GBD61H402FPT34:0-372
> >> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> >> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> >> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> >> > > XXXXXXXXNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
> >> > > NNNNCATTTCCTTGAGTATTAGGCCATTCATGCTGTCAATTTTCTTAACT
> >> > > ATTTGGAAATCCTAGTTGTACAAGATGGCCTTTTTCCCACCTGTATTTGC
> >> > > TTGGTCTGTGTACTGTAGTCTGCCTCTGCAAATGTTGTGGGAGGACTAAA
> >> > > TGTGGCGGGGGTGGGCTGACAG
> >> >
> >> > Here is the simplest scenario of your case. In this what do you want
> >> > to do Ignore XXX...CAG in File-B and print only the >PSUB.?
> >> >
> >> > If that is the case, you could iterate over file-b and look for lines
> >> > starting with > and then put them to a list and then do your
> >> > operations.
> >> >
> >> > In your code:
> >> >
> >> > > f1=open('fileA','r')
> >> > > f2=open('fileB','r')
> >> > > a=""
> >> > > b=""
> >> >
> >> > > for n in f1:
> >> > >     while not b.startswith(n):
> >> > >         b=f2.readline()
> >> >
> >> > This loop will break when f2 has line starting with >PSUB.
> >> >
> >> > >     if len(a)>0:
> >> > >              print a
> >> >
> >> > Won't have any effect.
> >> >
> >> > >     b=""
> >> >
> >> > You are resetting b.
> >> >
> >> > >     while not b.startswith(">"):
> >> > >        a=a+f2.readline()+"__"
> >> > >
> >> > Won't have any effect.
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > Any help would be highly appreciated. Thanks.
> >> >
> >> > Do you see why your program is not working when reduced to the
> >> > simplest case?
> >> >
> >> > If you are trying to find entities in B which are in A.
> >> > Just recreate B so that you remove all the non > starting lines and
> >> > then compare.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Senthil
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > BangPypers mailing list
> >> > BangPypers at python.org
> >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >> >
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> BangPypers mailing list
> >> BangPypers at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >>
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From wah_meng at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 19 05:11:59 2011
From: wah_meng at yahoo.com (Wah Meng Wong)
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 20:11:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Python 2.7.1 build successful,
	however many modules failed on HP-UX 11.31 ia64 with aCC
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Thanks Senthil,

1.) Yes compiling and linking with gcc (32-bit) and acc (32-bit) has lesser errors, more modules built successfully compared to acc (64-bit). The main thing I discovered is +DD64 is not recognized as a valid flag in ld command (the linker). This command is automatically generated in Makefile. I have posted my question to bugs.python.org and the community there responded failure to build a module is not a bug and asked me to refer to other community.

2.) The reason I am sticking to acc is, I am also using tcl/tk. I have built tcl/tk with gcc however the tk (wish) crashes with a core dump file generated when gcc is used. Switching to acc, the tk can run without an issue. Also, I need Oracle plug-in in both python and tcl. Oracle only supports HP C Compiler stuffs and not gcc. All these resulted me to focus on acc to get all stuffs done.

3.) Yes I do see cType failed to build when gcc (32) and acc (32) is used. I didn't pursue with python bug community as I don't think I am using either module. What failed to build in 64-bit acc build really worried me. I don't think without those it is usable. ;p. 


(>>>> From make test of acc 32-build and gcc 32-bit build)

Failed to build these modules:
_ctypes??????????? termios??????????????????

4.) Let me try again with --enable-shared and revert. 


Thanks!



________________________________
From: Senthil Kumaran <senthil at uthcode.com>
To: Wah Meng Wong <wah_meng at yahoo.com>; Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Python 2.7.1 build successful, however many modules failed on HP-UX 11.31 ia64 with aCC

On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 02:15:31AM -0700, Wah Meng Wong wrote:

> I am trying to build python 64-bit on HP Itanium platform with HP-UX
> Ansi C compiler. The python executable is successfully built however
> there are many errors generated when option +DD64 is passed in, many
> (more) modules failed to build (compared to 32-bit option is used).? 

You mean to say that python is building properly with all those
modules properly with 32bit compiler and not in 64 bit?
If that is the case, then it surely looks like a bug. You may want to
file open a issue at bugs.python.org

> Appreciate any input on this issue when 64-bit option is passed into
> aCC that cause so many errors on my server. Thanks! 

Few pointers.

- Can you use gcc instead of aCC in your machine and see if it can
? build?
- I see at least one open bug with ctypes module not compiling with 64 bit
? HP-UX.
- Try --enable-shared? switch of configure and see if it helps.

If nothing, please do open a bug report and you could get some pointers
from people familiar with that platform.

-- 
Senthil

From senthil at uthcode.com  Mon Sep 19 19:21:47 2011
From: senthil at uthcode.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 01:21:47 +0800
Subject: [BangPypers] Python 2.7.1 build successful,
 however many modules failed on HP-UX 11.31 ia64 with aCC
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References: <mailman.5048.1316029219.27777.bangpypers@python.org>
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Message-ID: <20110919172147.GA5053@mathmagic>

On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 08:11:59PM -0700, Wah Meng Wong wrote:
> errors, more modules built successfully compared to acc (64-bit). The main
> thing I discovered is +DD64 is not recognized as a valid flag in ld command
> (the linker). This command is automatically generated in Makefile. I have

And that is what is surprising. This becomes a linker error.

> posted my question to bugs.python.org and the community there responded failure
> to build a module is not a bug and asked me to refer to other community.

Yes, I noticed that. But as you mentioned that you followed the
instructions in the README, if you could succeed in building, we
at least have one bug (fix) with the compilation process mentioned in
the readme.

HP-UX being such an uncommon platform, the python core developers have
not spent much time fixing bugs in that (unless raised and provided
the fix with patch which did not affect any other platform).

> 2.) The reason I am sticking to acc is, I am also using tcl/tk. I have built
> tcl/tk with gcc however the tk (wish) crashes with a core dump file generated
> when gcc is used. 

I see. I get the point.

Also, I think, your situation is the right candidate to try out
ActiveState distribution, if they claim to support HP-UX.

Good Luck,
Senthil


From as1438 at msstate.edu  Tue Sep 20 04:20:03 2011
From: as1438 at msstate.edu (Ananya Sharma)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 21:20:03 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Parsing data
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Thank you everybody for your input. It helped a lot in understanding the
logic i had to implement in the program. I am familiar with the concept of
regular expressions but in this case line breaks would have been an issue.
At the end, I did some more reading and browsed through examples and got the
script to work.

Thanks.

Ananya

On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Gopalakrishnan Subramani <
gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com> wrote:

> At least I am not great at regular expressions. I agree that regex may
> reduce the number of lines,.
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:55 PM, mahendra N <mahendra0203 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Fgt the link
> >
> >
> http://code.google.com/edu/languages/google-python-class/regular-expressions.html
> >
> > 2011/9/19 mahendra N <mahendra0203 at gmail.com>
> >
> > > Have you thought of using regular expressions?. It might make ur job
> > > easier.
> > >
> > > Checkout this link good explaination of reg exps.
> > >
> > > Thanks and Regards,
> > > Mahendra Naik
> > >
> > >
> > > 2011/9/18 Gopalakrishnan Subramani <gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com
> >
> > >
> > >> Senthil and Gora Mohanty pointed out whats wrong on the code.
> > >>
> > >> This is alternative option, not its best since I feel  always good to
> > >> parse
> > >> the file B based on file spec instead of the following approach.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> file_a_lines = open('FileA.txt').readlines()
> > >> file_b_content = open('FileB.txt').read()
> > >>
> > >> for line in file_a_lines:
> > >>    start_pos =  file_b_content.find(line)
> > >>
> > >>    if start_pos >= 0:
> > >>        end_pos = file_b_content.find(">", start_pos + 1)
> > >>
> > >>        if end_pos > 0:
> > >>            print file_b_content[start_pos:end_pos]
> > >>        else: # to deal with end of the line
> > >>            print file_b_content[start_pos:]
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Senthil Kumaran <senthil at uthcode.com
> > >> >wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:26:34PM -0500, Ananya Sharma wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > *File A-*
> > >> > > >PSUB.GBD61H402FPT34:0-372
> > >> > >
> > >> > > *File B-*
> > >> > > >PSUB.GBD61H402FPT34:0-372
> > >> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> > >> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> > >> > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
> > >> > > XXXXXXXXNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
> > >> > > NNNNCATTTCCTTGAGTATTAGGCCATTCATGCTGTCAATTTTCTTAACT
> > >> > > ATTTGGAAATCCTAGTTGTACAAGATGGCCTTTTTCCCACCTGTATTTGC
> > >> > > TTGGTCTGTGTACTGTAGTCTGCCTCTGCAAATGTTGTGGGAGGACTAAA
> > >> > > TGTGGCGGGGGTGGGCTGACAG
> > >> >
> > >> > Here is the simplest scenario of your case. In this what do you want
> > >> > to do Ignore XXX...CAG in File-B and print only the >PSUB.?
> > >> >
> > >> > If that is the case, you could iterate over file-b and look for
> lines
> > >> > starting with > and then put them to a list and then do your
> > >> > operations.
> > >> >
> > >> > In your code:
> > >> >
> > >> > > f1=open('fileA','r')
> > >> > > f2=open('fileB','r')
> > >> > > a=""
> > >> > > b=""
> > >> >
> > >> > > for n in f1:
> > >> > >     while not b.startswith(n):
> > >> > >         b=f2.readline()
> > >> >
> > >> > This loop will break when f2 has line starting with >PSUB.
> > >> >
> > >> > >     if len(a)>0:
> > >> > >              print a
> > >> >
> > >> > Won't have any effect.
> > >> >
> > >> > >     b=""
> > >> >
> > >> > You are resetting b.
> > >> >
> > >> > >     while not b.startswith(">"):
> > >> > >        a=a+f2.readline()+"__"
> > >> > >
> > >> > Won't have any effect.
> > >> >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Any help would be highly appreciated. Thanks.
> > >> >
> > >> > Do you see why your program is not working when reduced to the
> > >> > simplest case?
> > >> >
> > >> > If you are trying to find entities in B which are in A.
> > >> > Just recreate B so that you remove all the non > starting lines and
> > >> > then compare.
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > Senthil
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > _______________________________________________
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> > >> > BangPypers at python.org
> > >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
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From wah_meng at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 20 04:35:53 2011
From: wah_meng at yahoo.com (Wah Meng Wong)
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 19:35:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Python 2.7.1 build successful,
	however many modules failed on HP-UX 11.31 ia64 with aCC
In-Reply-To: <20110919172147.GA5053@mathmagic>
References: <mailman.5048.1316029219.27777.bangpypers@python.org>
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	<20110918102341.GA5546@mathmagic>
	<1316401919.35917.YahooMailNeo@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20110919172147.GA5053@mathmagic>
Message-ID: <1316486153.47044.YahooMailNeo@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks!

1.) Yup I have open an issue to HP support, checking with them why the linker doesn't recognize +DD64 flag. However they are asking a lot of server information and stuffs before getting to know my problem. Progressing.... : (

2.) Ok I will revert to bugs.python.org when I heard something more substantial from HP. Haha I am not so aware that HP is an uncommon platform. : p

3.) Is ActiveState also one of the discussion group?



________________________________
From: Senthil Kumaran <senthil at uthcode.com>
To: Wah Meng Wong <wah_meng at yahoo.com>
Cc: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Python 2.7.1 build successful, however many modules failed on HP-UX 11.31 ia64 with aCC

On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 08:11:59PM -0700, Wah Meng Wong wrote:
> errors, more modules built successfully compared to acc (64-bit). The main
> thing I discovered is +DD64 is not recognized as a valid flag in ld command
> (the linker). This command is automatically generated in Makefile. I have

And that is what is surprising. This becomes a linker error.

> posted my question to bugs.python.org and the community there responded failure
> to build a module is not a bug and asked me to refer to other community.

Yes, I noticed that. But as you mentioned that you followed the
instructions in the README, if you could succeed in building, we
at least have one bug (fix) with the compilation process mentioned in
the readme.

HP-UX being such an uncommon platform, the python core developers have
not spent much time fixing bugs in that (unless raised and provided
the fix with patch which did not affect any other platform).

> 2.) The reason I am sticking to acc is, I am also using tcl/tk. I have built
> tcl/tk with gcc however the tk (wish) crashes with a core dump file generated
> when gcc is used. 

I see. I get the point.

Also, I think, your situation is the right candidate to try out
ActiveState distribution, if they claim to support HP-UX.

Good Luck,
Senthil

From mandarvaze at gmail.com  Tue Sep 20 14:13:55 2011
From: mandarvaze at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?TWFuZGFyIFZhemUgLyDgpK7gpILgpKbgpL7gpLAg4KS14KSd4KWH?=)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 17:43:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python 2.7.1 build successful,
 however many modules failed on HP-UX 11.31 ia64 with aCC
In-Reply-To: <1316486153.47044.YahooMailNeo@web30407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.5048.1316029219.27777.bangpypers@python.org>
	<1316337331.30517.YahooMailNeo@web30404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20110918102341.GA5546@mathmagic>
	<1316401919.35917.YahooMailNeo@web30408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20110919172147.GA5053@mathmagic>
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Message-ID: <CADDYdfumxz9q12iF7XskBH5G4BO+JC9bEoZ+n+XoDm-wS96V5g@mail.gmail.com>

> 3.) Is ActiveState also one of the discussion group?
>

http://www.activestate.com/activepython

They indeed support HP-UX

-Mandar

From wah_meng at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 21 14:17:59 2011
From: wah_meng at yahoo.com (Wah Meng Wong)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 05:17:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Python 2.7.1 build successful,
	however many modules failed on HP-UX 11.31 ia64 with aCC
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Hi Senthil,

I want to provide an update here and close this issue. 

1 and 2.) HP said +DD64 is not accepted by ld. So I am not utilizing the recommended setting in README file. Instead, I just pass +DD64 to CC, making it "CC=cc +DD64" and there is no issue in the building process. The LDFLAGS and BASECFLAGS setting in the README file is also not used. The CXX=aCC is used. I have provided feedback to bugs.python.org. Not sure if they will revert to me in changing the README file.

3.) ActiveState is my last resort. I am able to build built-in modules like _tkinter now. I am using "CC=cc +DD64 -I/home/r32813/local/include" and LDFLAGS="-L/home/r32813/local/lib -lxnet" and CXX=aCC only. /home/r32813/local is where I install my tcl/tk binary and library. : ). I am working on cx_Oracle build now. The module can be built however cannot be loaded. Hopefully I will make some progress soon.

I may open another issue more specific to cx_Oracle later. :? )


Thanks!





________________________________
From: Senthil Kumaran <senthil at uthcode.com>
To: Wah Meng Wong <wah_meng at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Python 2.7.1 build successful, however many modules failed on HP-UX 11.31 ia64 with aCC

On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Wah Meng Wong <wah_meng at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 1.) Yup I have open an issue to HP support, checking with them why the
> linker doesn't recognize +DD64 flag. However they are asking a lot of server
> information and stuffs before getting to know my problem. Progressing.... :

:-) Strange. But it happens.


> 2.) Ok I will revert to bugs.python.org when I heard something more
> substantial from HP. Haha I am not so aware that HP is an uncommon platform.

I would also suggest trying with binutils (if ld is from that package)
and asking a very specific question as why +DD64 is not being
recognized.

> 3.) Is ActiveState also one of the discussion group?

Nope, it is a Python distribution with commercial support behind it.

http://www.activestate.com/activepython/which-python-edition

They have put AIX, Solaris, HP-UX under paid releases of Python. That
would probably help with you installation and support. In terms of
nature of the company with Open Source support, they are pretty
trustworthy and have good reputation in the community.

Cheers,
Senthil

From senthil at uthcode.com  Wed Sep 21 19:57:41 2011
From: senthil at uthcode.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 01:57:41 +0800
Subject: [BangPypers] Python 2.7.1 build successful,
 however many modules failed on HP-UX 11.31 ia64 with aCC
In-Reply-To: <1316607479.18047.YahooMailNeo@web30406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.5048.1316029219.27777.bangpypers@python.org>
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Message-ID: <20110921175741.GB4116@mathmagic>

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 05:17:59AM -0700, Wah Meng Wong wrote:
> I have provided feedback to bugs.python.org. Not sure if they will
> revert to me in changing the README file.

Looks like they have. :-) Your patch might be helpful to improve the
Readme. 

> I may open another issue more specific to cx_Oracle later. :  )

Haha. Hopefully you get that resolved soon.

BTW, makes me curious as why is the choice of "HP-UX" and this Python
stack for whatever application/system you are trying to build.

-- 
Senthil

From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Fri Sep 23 15:37:31 2011
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 19:07:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] Vayana Services seeking curious and committed
	python programmers
Message-ID: <CAD2aR4M51FdHdd4PU6eZ4iNVNN5z6jYOdE=j_DDt3X=OqvnZjA@mail.gmail.com>

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From valliappan.mba at gmail.com  Sun Sep 25 10:18:03 2011
From: valliappan.mba at gmail.com (Valliappan Ramanathan)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 13:48:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PYTHON/JAVASCRIPT DEVELOPER (DIRECT HIRE) ,
	San Francisco, CA
Message-ID: <CAH64p+QtD0OOO274Z_nurR33-sAfdeezGsKnx6khUE=fNEtBfg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All

This is regarding a job opportunity with our direct client at San Francisco,
CA. Please let me know your interest and availability for this position and
whether graduated from one of the schools(*Stanford, Caltech, MIT, Harvard,
UC Berkeley)*. Please reply on to my email id: Valliappan.mba at gmail.com

Work location is at San Francisco and its a permanent position.

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Location: San Francisco,CA
Looking for software engineers with Python and Javascript experience(3-5
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From shashidhar85 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 07:50:21 2011
From: shashidhar85 at gmail.com (Shashidhar Paragonda)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:20:21 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Creating windows installer
Message-ID: <CAL2NvRy7WzcS7PXioNJbSU1AGm1_FecqZMDKEZsNnDObxBmfDw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Python hackers,



-- 
-----------------------------------
Regards,

Shashidhar N.Paragonda
shashidhar85 at gmail.com
+919449073835

From shashidhar85 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 07:54:39 2011
From: shashidhar85 at gmail.com (Shashidhar Paragonda)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:24:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Creating windows installer
Message-ID: <CAL2NvRzxw2D-oD2_GPjVGayEekBP_fDDOkTYkGpD7youDMp8Rg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Python hackers,

               I want to create windows installer (one)  file which is
combination of, Python v.2.4.4, Zope v2.8.11, Postgresql v8.1.x, and some
Python dependency packages and Zope dependency packages.
               With inclusion of all these above packages I need one single
executable file to install at one shot.
               Any resources how to do this, thank you in advance for the
help!!!!!!!!!!


-- 
-----------------------------------
Regards,

Shashidhar N.Paragonda
shashidhar85 at gmail.com
+919449073835

From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 07:53:34 2011
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:23:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] About pypy and bangpypers
In-Reply-To: <877h5a1k54.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain> (Noufal Ibrahim's message
	of "Thu, 15 Sep 2011 10:23:27 +0530")
References: <CANiY96YkgTxZMJUqeQ4E9GJFA2FkGqD7qZPm0oNaYA6pEdyb2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOMzwmGv7XKYYqR42Jk+N98Y6--ER8VhE14nvB4Xvx486qZo4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<877h5a1k54.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
Message-ID: <871uv33l41.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>


So, now that PyCon is over, shall me make plans for this? 

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

I'll give you a definite maybe. -Samuel Goldwyn

From mandarvaze at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 08:05:55 2011
From: mandarvaze at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?TWFuZGFyIFZhemUgLyDgpK7gpILgpKbgpL7gpLAg4KS14KSd4KWH?=)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:35:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Creating windows installer
In-Reply-To: <CAL2NvRzxw2D-oD2_GPjVGayEekBP_fDDOkTYkGpD7youDMp8Rg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL2NvRzxw2D-oD2_GPjVGayEekBP_fDDOkTYkGpD7youDMp8Rg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADDYdfsg16Uu7YU5MoHyHZLj7T12qkA17kHNcwnQdy3ddauZBw@mail.gmail.com>

Linked in has similar discussion going on at :
http://www.linkedin.com/groupItem?view=&gid=25827&type=member&item=70058851&qid=f54096ee-8199-4d71-9b6e-203cb822d2c7&trk=group_most_popular-0-b-ttl&goback=%2Egmp_25827

Quick summary : py2exe or cx_freeze

-Mandar

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Shashidhar Paragonda <
shashidhar85 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Python hackers,
>
>               I want to create windows installer (one)  file which is
> combination of, Python v.2.4.4, Zope v2.8.11, Postgresql v8.1.x, and some
> Python dependency packages and Zope dependency packages.
>               With inclusion of all these above packages I need one single
> executable file to install at one shot.
>               Any resources how to do this, thank you in advance for the
> help!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> --
> -----------------------------------
> Regards,
>
> Shashidhar N.Paragonda
> shashidhar85 at gmail.com
> +919449073835
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 08:06:11 2011
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:36:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Creating windows installer
In-Reply-To: <CAL2NvRzxw2D-oD2_GPjVGayEekBP_fDDOkTYkGpD7youDMp8Rg@mail.gmail.com>
	(Shashidhar Paragonda's message of "Mon, 26 Sep 2011 11:24:39 +0530")
References: <CAL2NvRzxw2D-oD2_GPjVGayEekBP_fDDOkTYkGpD7youDMp8Rg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87r53325yk.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>

Shashidhar Paragonda <shashidhar85 at gmail.com> writes:

> Hello Python hackers,
>
>                I want to create windows installer (one)  file which is
> combination of, Python v.2.4.4, Zope v2.8.11, Postgresql v8.1.x, and some
> Python dependency packages and Zope dependency packages.
>                With inclusion of all these above packages I need one single
> executable file to install at one shot.p
>                Any resources how to do this, thank you in advance for the
> help!!!!!!!!!!


I had a similar requirement a few years ago and none of the "standard"
tools worked for me so I cooked up a custom installer. The details are
over here

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5661385/packaging-and-shipping-a-python-library-and-scripts-the-professional-way

My solution was not very portable and highly UNIX specific but it worked
across distros with minimal changes. You might find some ideas there
that you can adapt for your setup.

The NSIS[1] system can be used to create Windows installers. I don't
know how well it would play with Python and the rest of your deps though.

Good luck.

Footnotes: 
[1]  http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Main_Page

P.S. Stylistic point but try to avoid the "!!!!!!!!!!!!" when you end
     your sentences. One is enough to empahsise and even that's not
     really necessary here. http://www.betterwritingskills.com/tip-w007.html
        

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

"I always avoid prophesying beforehand because it is much better to prophesy after the event has already taken place. " - Winston Churchill

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 18:19:16 2011
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 21:49:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] About pypy and bangpypers
In-Reply-To: <871uv33l41.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
References: <CANiY96YkgTxZMJUqeQ4E9GJFA2FkGqD7qZPm0oNaYA6pEdyb2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOMzwmGv7XKYYqR42Jk+N98Y6--ER8VhE14nvB4Xvx486qZo4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<877h5a1k54.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<871uv33l41.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
Message-ID: <CANiY96YYZpxWx0J0=33XANF-OqN=iaVqk6a_wftoRpaWMxOsoA@mail.gmail.com>

+1. We can meet at one of the Thoughtworks offices, or anywhere else.

-- Sriram

On 9/26/11, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So, now that PyCon is over, shall me make plans for this?
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
>
> I'll give you a definite maybe. -Samuel Goldwyn
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

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==================
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From kracethekingmaker at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 18:51:49 2011
From: kracethekingmaker at gmail.com (kracekumar ramaraju)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 22:21:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] About pypy and bangpypers
In-Reply-To: <CANiY96YYZpxWx0J0=33XANF-OqN=iaVqk6a_wftoRpaWMxOsoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANiY96YkgTxZMJUqeQ4E9GJFA2FkGqD7qZPm0oNaYA6pEdyb2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOMzwmGv7XKYYqR42Jk+N98Y6--ER8VhE14nvB4Xvx486qZo4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<877h5a1k54.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<871uv33l41.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CANiY96YYZpxWx0J0=33XANF-OqN=iaVqk6a_wftoRpaWMxOsoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO5c=mn4hbmNocKPmtUe8eEpTaOPQeXSbxd9QRNwJqVmNchPvw@mail.gmail.com>

+1 for sure,

From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 18:54:35 2011
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 22:24:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] About pypy and bangpypers
In-Reply-To: <CAO5c=mn4hbmNocKPmtUe8eEpTaOPQeXSbxd9QRNwJqVmNchPvw@mail.gmail.com>
	(kracekumar ramaraju's message of "Mon, 26 Sep 2011 22:21:49 +0530")
References: <CANiY96YkgTxZMJUqeQ4E9GJFA2FkGqD7qZPm0oNaYA6pEdyb2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOMzwmGv7XKYYqR42Jk+N98Y6--ER8VhE14nvB4Xvx486qZo4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<877h5a1k54.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<871uv33l41.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CANiY96YYZpxWx0J0=33XANF-OqN=iaVqk6a_wftoRpaWMxOsoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO5c=mn4hbmNocKPmtUe8eEpTaOPQeXSbxd9QRNwJqVmNchPvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87pqinxn04.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>


Question is how do we go about it?  Is there anyone on this list who has
some experience with PyPy willing to talk about it? Or do we make out an
agenda and plan? I'd hate to spend a few hours simply talking/hearing
about what I've read on the net. 

-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

Some bachelors want a meaningful overnight relationship.

From kracethekingmaker at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 19:03:23 2011
From: kracethekingmaker at gmail.com (kracekumar ramaraju)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 22:33:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] About pypy and bangpypers
In-Reply-To: <87pqinxn04.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
References: <CANiY96YkgTxZMJUqeQ4E9GJFA2FkGqD7qZPm0oNaYA6pEdyb2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOMzwmGv7XKYYqR42Jk+N98Y6--ER8VhE14nvB4Xvx486qZo4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<877h5a1k54.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<871uv33l41.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CANiY96YYZpxWx0J0=33XANF-OqN=iaVqk6a_wftoRpaWMxOsoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO5c=mn4hbmNocKPmtUe8eEpTaOPQeXSbxd9QRNwJqVmNchPvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87pqinxn04.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
Message-ID: <CAO5c=m=w7Tx5Pr9nepVSuzmtnfhOycvCDqAQg4BkMCj4Cfye5A@mail.gmail.com>

> Question is how do we go about it?  Is there anyone on this list who has
> some experience with PyPy willing to talk about it?


I don't have any experience, but willing to spend time.

   1. First lets start playing with PyPy and spend quite significant time
   with it.
   2. Then hands on we can try running small apps or snippets in PyPy.

Or do we make out an
> agenda and plan?


Yes , we will make agenda/plan how to start and then after a week or after
specific date, we will again collect the status of PyPy users experience and
then decide further steps.




-- 
*
"Talk is cheap, show me the code" - Linus Torvalds
Winning Regards
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http://kracekumar.wordpress.com
+91-97906-58304
*
*+91-85530-29521*
*
*

From noufal at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 19:09:21 2011
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 22:39:21 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] About pypy and bangpypers
In-Reply-To: <CAO5c=m=w7Tx5Pr9nepVSuzmtnfhOycvCDqAQg4BkMCj4Cfye5A@mail.gmail.com>
	(kracekumar ramaraju's message of "Mon, 26 Sep 2011 22:33:23 +0530")
References: <CANiY96YkgTxZMJUqeQ4E9GJFA2FkGqD7qZPm0oNaYA6pEdyb2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOMzwmGv7XKYYqR42Jk+N98Y6--ER8VhE14nvB4Xvx486qZo4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<877h5a1k54.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<871uv33l41.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CANiY96YYZpxWx0J0=33XANF-OqN=iaVqk6a_wftoRpaWMxOsoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO5c=mn4hbmNocKPmtUe8eEpTaOPQeXSbxd9QRNwJqVmNchPvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87pqinxn04.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAO5c=m=w7Tx5Pr9nepVSuzmtnfhOycvCDqAQg4BkMCj4Cfye5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87d3enxmbi.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>

kracekumar ramaraju <kracethekingmaker at gmail.com> writes:


[...]

> I don't have any experience, but willing to spend time.
>
>    1. First lets start playing with PyPy and spend quite significant time
>    with it.
>    2. Then hands on we can try running small apps or snippets in PyPy.

[...]

I was thinking of something more concrete. If there's someone here
willing to spend time in the coming (say) 2 weeks to dig into the
overall design of PyPy and present it, we can get a start. 



-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

Always be sincere, even when you don't mean it. -Irene Peter

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 19:27:54 2011
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 22:57:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] About pypy and bangpypers
In-Reply-To: <87d3enxmbi.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
References: <CANiY96YkgTxZMJUqeQ4E9GJFA2FkGqD7qZPm0oNaYA6pEdyb2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOMzwmGv7XKYYqR42Jk+N98Y6--ER8VhE14nvB4Xvx486qZo4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<877h5a1k54.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<871uv33l41.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CANiY96YYZpxWx0J0=33XANF-OqN=iaVqk6a_wftoRpaWMxOsoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO5c=mn4hbmNocKPmtUe8eEpTaOPQeXSbxd9QRNwJqVmNchPvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87pqinxn04.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAO5c=m=w7Tx5Pr9nepVSuzmtnfhOycvCDqAQg4BkMCj4Cfye5A@mail.gmail.com>
	<87d3enxmbi.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
Message-ID: <CANiY96YogvmruFiHeWsx9TnENBA-ZHqZYAxJ_gdn=DZ19pRc4Q@mail.gmail.com>

I can talk about my experiences with porting it.

-- Sriram

On 9/26/11, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
> kracekumar ramaraju <kracethekingmaker at gmail.com> writes:
>
>
> [...]
>
>> I don't have any experience, but willing to spend time.
>>
>>    1. First lets start playing with PyPy and spend quite significant time
>>    with it.
>>    2. Then hands on we can try running small apps or snippets in PyPy.
>
> [...]
>
> I was thinking of something more concrete. If there's someone here
> willing to spend time in the coming (say) 2 weeks to dig into the
> overall design of PyPy and present it, we can get a start.
>
>
>
> --
> ~noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
>
> Always be sincere, even when you don't mean it. -Irene Peter
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

-- 
Sent from my mobile device

==================
Belenix: www.belenix.org

From kracethekingmaker at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 19:34:02 2011
From: kracethekingmaker at gmail.com (kracekumar ramaraju)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 23:04:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] About pypy and bangpypers
In-Reply-To: <87d3enxmbi.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
References: <CANiY96YkgTxZMJUqeQ4E9GJFA2FkGqD7qZPm0oNaYA6pEdyb2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOMzwmGv7XKYYqR42Jk+N98Y6--ER8VhE14nvB4Xvx486qZo4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<877h5a1k54.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<871uv33l41.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CANiY96YYZpxWx0J0=33XANF-OqN=iaVqk6a_wftoRpaWMxOsoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO5c=mn4hbmNocKPmtUe8eEpTaOPQeXSbxd9QRNwJqVmNchPvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87pqinxn04.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAO5c=m=w7Tx5Pr9nepVSuzmtnfhOycvCDqAQg4BkMCj4Cfye5A@mail.gmail.com>
	<87d3enxmbi.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
Message-ID: <CAO5c=mmJ3HLvbfPbtiNZ_iUSiR1qvKA+S7RG6_Y_MSJTjZJ9AQ@mail.gmail.com>

Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com>

>
>
>
> [...]
>
> > I don't have any experience, but willing to spend time.
> >
> >    1. First lets start playing with PyPy and spend quite significant time
> >    with it.
> >    2. Then hands on we can try running small apps or snippets in PyPy.
>
> [...]
>
> I was thinking of something more concrete. If there's someone here
> willing to spend time in the coming (say) 2 weeks to dig into the
> overall design of PyPy and present it, we can get a start.
>
> [...]
> Lets wait for more people's idea, involvement and reply before deciding.
>


*
"Talk is cheap, show me the code" - Linus Torvalds
Winning Regards
KraceKumar.R
http://kracekumar.wordpress.com
+91-97906-58304
*
*+91-85530-29521*
*
*

From saager.mhatre at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 22:20:45 2011
From: saager.mhatre at gmail.com (Saager Mhatre)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 01:50:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] About pypy and bangpypers
In-Reply-To: <CANiY96YogvmruFiHeWsx9TnENBA-ZHqZYAxJ_gdn=DZ19pRc4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANiY96YkgTxZMJUqeQ4E9GJFA2FkGqD7qZPm0oNaYA6pEdyb2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOMzwmGv7XKYYqR42Jk+N98Y6--ER8VhE14nvB4Xvx486qZo4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<877h5a1k54.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<871uv33l41.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CANiY96YYZpxWx0J0=33XANF-OqN=iaVqk6a_wftoRpaWMxOsoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO5c=mn4hbmNocKPmtUe8eEpTaOPQeXSbxd9QRNwJqVmNchPvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87pqinxn04.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAO5c=m=w7Tx5Pr9nepVSuzmtnfhOycvCDqAQg4BkMCj4Cfye5A@mail.gmail.com>
	<87d3enxmbi.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CANiY96YogvmruFiHeWsx9TnENBA-ZHqZYAxJ_gdn=DZ19pRc4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADfLaaBh5Wh9Qys=MYc8y84B1A5A4Jv64ithG8wgFHdPRgUeVQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Sriram Narayanan <sriramnrn at gmail.com>wrote:

> I can talk about my experiences with porting it.
>
> -- Sriram
>

Porting it to... Belenix?

- d

From sriramnrn at gmail.com  Tue Sep 27 03:40:37 2011
From: sriramnrn at gmail.com (Sriram Narayanan)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:10:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] About pypy and bangpypers
In-Reply-To: <CADfLaaBh5Wh9Qys=MYc8y84B1A5A4Jv64ithG8wgFHdPRgUeVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANiY96YkgTxZMJUqeQ4E9GJFA2FkGqD7qZPm0oNaYA6pEdyb2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOMzwmGv7XKYYqR42Jk+N98Y6--ER8VhE14nvB4Xvx486qZo4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<877h5a1k54.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<871uv33l41.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CANiY96YYZpxWx0J0=33XANF-OqN=iaVqk6a_wftoRpaWMxOsoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAO5c=mn4hbmNocKPmtUe8eEpTaOPQeXSbxd9QRNwJqVmNchPvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87pqinxn04.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAO5c=m=w7Tx5Pr9nepVSuzmtnfhOycvCDqAQg4BkMCj4Cfye5A@mail.gmail.com>
	<87d3enxmbi.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CANiY96YogvmruFiHeWsx9TnENBA-ZHqZYAxJ_gdn=DZ19pRc4Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADfLaaBh5Wh9Qys=MYc8y84B1A5A4Jv64ithG8wgFHdPRgUeVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANiY96ZvvbDeGCsvtZ6nK9eBkwoHAu305ehUuBLntVGKgivMtw@mail.gmail.com>

Yes

On 9/27/11, Saager Mhatre <saager.mhatre at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Sriram Narayanan
> <sriramnrn at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I can talk about my experiences with porting it.
>>
>> -- Sriram
>>
>
> Porting it to... Belenix?
>
> - d
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

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==================
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From sateeshpyper at gmail.com  Mon Sep 26 09:53:33 2011
From: sateeshpyper at gmail.com (Sateesh Kumar)
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 13:23:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Creating windows installer
In-Reply-To: <CAL2NvRzxw2D-oD2_GPjVGayEekBP_fDDOkTYkGpD7youDMp8Rg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL2NvRzxw2D-oD2_GPjVGayEekBP_fDDOkTYkGpD7youDMp8Rg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALw2s+sZyR2JS7nLfEbHzR0Z4V5DO7cYbd0t9hM0f5VvMwbX0w@mail.gmail.com>

>
>               I want to create windows installer (one)  file which is
> combination of, Python v.2.4.4, Zope v2.8.11, Postgresql v8.1.x, and some
> Python dependency packages and Zope dependency packages.
>

Apart from the options others have mentioned (like py2exe, cx_freeze),
you can also consider using PyInstaller (http://www.pyinstaller.org/).

reg,
sateesh

From brian.curtin at gmail.com  Wed Sep 28 00:50:55 2011
From: brian.curtin at gmail.com (Brian Curtin)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:50:55 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon 2012 Proposals Due October 12
Message-ID: <CAD+XWwqBRuvHoZUpVrYjG_EHAAw_gHJ+dZyTvKTpYCaHCuB2mg@mail.gmail.com>

The deadline for PyCon 2012 tutorial, talk, and poster proposals is
under 15 days away, so be sure to get your submissions in by October
12, 2011. Whether you?re a first-timer or an experienced veteran,
PyCon is depends on you, the community, coming together to build the
best conference schedule possible. Our
call for proposals (http://us.pycon.org/2012/cfp/) lays out the
details it takes to be included in the lineup for the conference in
Santa Clara, CA on March 7-15, 2012.

If you?re unsure of what to write about, our recent survey yielded a
large list of potential talk topics
(http://pycon.blogspot.com/2011/09/need-talk-ideas.html), and plenty
of ideas for tutorials (INSERT TUTORIAL POST). We?ve also come up with
general tips on proposal writing at
http://pycon.blogspot.com/2011/08/writing-good-proposal.html to ensure
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From hussainbohra_30 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 29 06:37:07 2011
From: hussainbohra_30 at yahoo.com (Hussain Bohra)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 21:37:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Python 3.2 and Django
Message-ID: <1317271027.31494.YahooMailNeo@web114711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi All,

I am trying to install django on top of python 3.2, but getting following error:

C:\Python32\Scripts>easy_install.exe django
Searching for django
Reading http://pypi.python.org/simple/django/
Reading http://www.djangoproject.com/
Best match: Django 1.3.1
Downloading http://pypi.python.org/packages/source/D/Django/Django-1.3.1.tar.gz#md5=62d8642fd06b9a0bf8544178f8500767
Processing Django-1.3.1.tar.gz
Running Django-1.3.1\setup.py -q bdist_egg --dist-dir c:\users\hussai~1.boh\appdata\local\temp\easy_install-u3vk_y\Django-1.3.1\egg-dist-tmp-y96tyc
Traceback (most recent call last):
? File "C:\Python32\Scripts\easy_install-script.py", line 9, in <module>
? ? load_entry_point('distribute==0.6.19', 'console_scripts', 'easy_install')()
? File "c:\Python32\lib\site-packages\distribute-0.6.19-py3.2.egg\setuptools\command\easy_install.py", line 1864, in main
? ? with_ei_usage(lambda:
? File "c:\Python32\lib\site-packages\distribute-0.6.19-py3.2.egg\setuptools\command\easy_install.py", line 1845, in with_ei_usage
? ? return f()
? File "c:\Python32\lib\site-packages\distribute-0.6.19-py3.2.egg\setuptools\command\easy_install.py", line 1868, in <lambda>
? ? distclass=DistributionWithoutHelpCommands, **kw
? File "c:\Python32\lib\distutils\core.py", line 149, in setup
? ? dist.run_commands()
? File "c:\Python32\lib\distutils\dist.py", line 919, in run_commands
? ? self.run_command(cmd)
? File "c:\Python32\lib\distutils\dist.py", line 938, in run_command
? ? cmd_obj.run()
? File "c:\Python32\lib\site-packages\distribute-0.6.19-py3.2.egg\setuptools\command\easy_install.py", line 345, in run
? ? self.easy_install(spec, not self.no_deps)
? File "c:\Python32\lib\site-packages\distribute-0.6.19-py3.2.egg\setuptools\command\easy_install.py", line 585, in easy_install
? ? return self.install_item(spec, dist.location, tmpdir, deps)
? File "c:\Python32\lib\site-packages\distribute-0.6.19-py3.2.egg\setuptools\command\easy_install.py", line 615, in install_item
? ? dists = self.install_eggs(spec, download, tmpdir)
? File "c:\Python32\lib\site-packages\distribute-0.6.19-py3.2.egg\setuptools\command\easy_install.py", line 805, in install_eggs
? ? return self.build_and_install(setup_script, setup_base)
? File "c:\Python32\lib\site-packages\distribute-0.6.19-py3.2.egg\setuptools\command\easy_install.py", line 1082, in build_and_install
? ? self.run_setup(setup_script, setup_base, args)
? File "c:\Python32\lib\site-packages\distribute-0.6.19-py3.2.egg\setuptools\command\easy_install.py", line 1071, in run_setup
? ? run_setup(setup_script, args)
? File "c:\Python32\lib\site-packages\distribute-0.6.19-py3.2.egg\setuptools\sandbox.py", line 31, in run_setup
? ? lambda: exec(compile(open(
? File "c:\Python32\lib\site-packages\distribute-0.6.19-py3.2.egg\setuptools\sandbox.py", line 73, in run
? ? return func()
? File "c:\Python32\lib\site-packages\distribute-0.6.19-py3.2.egg\setuptools\sandbox.py", line 33, in <lambda>
? ? ).read(), "setup.py", 'exec'),
? File "setup.py", line 70
? ? if u'SVN' in version:
? ? ? ? ? ? ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax

I also tried installing using Django-1.3.1.tar.gz, but unfortunately same result


D:\Python\Python - Software\Django-1.3.1>c:\Python32\python.exe setup.py install
? File "setup.py", line 70
? ? if u'SVN' in version:
? ? ? ? ? ? ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax

Any suggestion is highly appreciated.
Thanks and Regards,
Hussain Bohra

From gora at mimirtech.com  Thu Sep 29 06:46:44 2011
From: gora at mimirtech.com (Gora Mohanty)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:16:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python 3.2 and Django
In-Reply-To: <1317271027.31494.YahooMailNeo@web114711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1317271027.31494.YahooMailNeo@web114711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CACiMRG+Cw0xieiUe9uhQrZX2iJ30zJ7ZNMUBL1UzQquPQEXipg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Hussain Bohra
<hussainbohra_30 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I am trying to install django on top of python 3.2, but getting following error:

Django is not supported on Python 3.x, though some ports are
in the works. Please see
https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/faq/install/#can-i-use-django-with-python-3

Regards,
Gora

From sree at mahiti.org  Thu Sep 29 06:49:26 2011
From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 10:19:26 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python 3.2 and Django
In-Reply-To: <1317271027.31494.YahooMailNeo@web114711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1317271027.31494.YahooMailNeo@web114711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAD=RLAge9_i_gL4phbNC8Y5dEoYtqdQoaeU=k-T-Cyn6nOGYSQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 29 September 2011 10:07, Hussain Bohra <hussainbohra_30 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I am trying to install django on top of python 3.2, but getting following
> error:
>
> https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/intro/install/

Being a Python Web framework, Django requires Python. It works with any
Python version from 2.5 to 2.7 (due to backwards incompatibilities in Python
3.0, Django does not currently work with Python 3.0; see *the Django
FAQ*<https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/faq/install/>for more
information on supported Python versions and the 3.0 transition)

From hussainbohra_30 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 29 06:53:13 2011
From: hussainbohra_30 at yahoo.com (Hussain Bohra)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 21:53:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] Python 3.2 and Django
In-Reply-To: <CAD=RLAge9_i_gL4phbNC8Y5dEoYtqdQoaeU=k-T-Cyn6nOGYSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1317271027.31494.YahooMailNeo@web114711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CAD=RLAge9_i_gL4phbNC8Y5dEoYtqdQoaeU=k-T-Cyn6nOGYSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1317271993.13888.YahooMailNeo@web114716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thanks Mr. Gora and Mr. Sreekanth ...
Let me identify if any other MVC framework I can use along with python 3.2.
?
Thanks and Regards,
Hussain Bohra


________________________________
From: Sreekanth S Rameshaiah <sree at mahiti.org>
To: Hussain Bohra <hussainbohra_30 at yahoo.com>; Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
Sent: Thursday, 29 September 2011 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Python 3.2 and Django





On 29 September 2011 10:07, Hussain Bohra <hussainbohra_30 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi All,
>
>I am trying to install django on top of python 3.2, but getting following error:
>
>
https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/intro/install/

Being a Python Web framework, Django requires Python. It works with any Python
version from 2.5 to 2.7 (due to backwards incompatibilities in Python 3.0,
Django does not currently work with Python 3.0; see the Django FAQ for more information on supported Python versions and the 3.0
transition) 

From senthil at uthcode.com  Thu Sep 29 06:57:47 2011
From: senthil at uthcode.com (Senthil Kumaran)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 12:57:47 +0800
Subject: [BangPypers] Python 3.2 and Django
In-Reply-To: <1317271993.13888.YahooMailNeo@web114716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1317271027.31494.YahooMailNeo@web114711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CAD=RLAge9_i_gL4phbNC8Y5dEoYtqdQoaeU=k-T-Cyn6nOGYSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1317271993.13888.YahooMailNeo@web114716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAPOVWORUPd+zs0C19JB7N4cWh4+xLnnjCVpug2cY5u6U0obaaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Hussain,


On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Hussain Bohra
<hussainbohra_30 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thanks Mr. Gora and Mr. Sreekanth ...
> Let me identify if any other MVC framework I can use along with python 3.2.

You can consider using Python 2.7 for Web Framework too. Because WSGI
Spec for 3.x is not concretely agreed upon by the web frameworks, the
support for Web Frameworks world for 3.x is slow. Bottle is one
webframework that supports 3.0, but afaik does not have a great
community behind it.

If you are just starting, go head with 2.7 and later when things get
sorted out, you could upgrade to 3.x

HTH,
Senthil

From lawgon at gmail.com  Thu Sep 29 08:03:12 2011
From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 11:33:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python 3.2 and Django
In-Reply-To: <1317271993.13888.YahooMailNeo@web114716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1317271027.31494.YahooMailNeo@web114711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CAD=RLAge9_i_gL4phbNC8Y5dEoYtqdQoaeU=k-T-Cyn6nOGYSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1317271993.13888.YahooMailNeo@web114716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1317276196.19157.2.camel@xlquest.web>

On Wed, 2011-09-28 at 21:53 -0700, Hussain Bohra wrote:
> Let me identify if any other MVC framework I can use along with python
> 3.2.

django is not an MKC framework anyway.
-- 
regards
Kenneth Gonsalves


From sajuptpm at gmail.com  Thu Sep 29 10:56:24 2011
From: sajuptpm at gmail.com (Saju M)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:26:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Howto run python selenium script on remote server
Message-ID: <CANR2JHgy7R0X21d5ybxwYHnPw1iqRXyaE3KjnQ-9_yaWWkK5nA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I created a script using selenium and its working in my local system.
But when i trying to run it in remote machine (Centos), getting error.
This script should need to open a firefox browser. So i think the the
script could not open the firefox browser on remote machine(Server).
Have any way to run it on remote machine(Server)?????.


Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "script.py", line 34, in <module>
    s = Search()
  File "script.py", line 8, in __init__
    self.driver  = webdriver.Firefox()
  File "/home/madfishe/env6/lib/python2.6/site-packages/selenium-2.7.0-py2.6.egg/selenium/webdriver/firefox/webdriver.py",
line 46, in __init__
    self.binary, timeout),
  File "/home/madfishe/env6/lib/python2.6/site-packages/selenium-2.7.0-py2.6.egg/selenium/webdriver/firefox/extension_connection.py",
line 46, in __init__
    self.binary.launch_browser(self.profile)
  File "/home/madfishe/env6/lib/python2.6/site-packages/selenium-2.7.0-py2.6.egg/selenium/webdriver/firefox/firefox_binary.py",
line 44, in launch_browser
    self._wait_until_connectable()
  File "/home/madfishe/env6/lib/python2.6/site-packages/selenium-2.7.0-py2.6.egg/selenium/webdriver/firefox/firefox_binary.py",
line 87, in _wait_until_connectable
    raise WebDriverException("Can't load the profile. Profile Dir :
%s" % self.profile.path)
selenium.common.exceptions.WebDriverException: Message: "Can't load
the profile. Profile Dir : /tmp/tmpWmkFsy"

------------------------------------- script

from selenium import webdriver
import BeautifulSoup
class Search:
	def __init__(self):
		self.url ='http://www.google.co.in'
		self.search_url = None
		self.driver  = webdriver.Firefox()

	def search(self, search_query, search_location=None):
		if search_query:
			self.search_url = "%s/search?q=%s" %(self.url, search_query)
			self.driver.get(self.search_url)
			search_fld = self.driver.find_element_by_id("lst-ib")
			#help(search_fld)
			search_btn = self.driver.find_element_by_name("btnK")
			search_btn.submit()
			if search_location:
				self.change_location(search_location)
			html = self.driver.page_source
			soup=BeautifulSoup.BeautifulSoup(html)
			result = soup.findAll(attrs={"class" : "l"})
			return result

	def change_location(self, new_location):
		self.driver.find_element_by_id("toggle_location_link").click()
		self.driver.find_element_by_id("lc-input").send_keys(new_location)
		els = self.driver.find_elements_by_tag_name("input")
		set_el = [el for el in els if el.get_attribute('value')=='Set']
		#print "-------value-----", set_el[0].get_attribute('value')
		set_el[0].submit()
s = Search()
print"------search result------", s.search('python', 'kerala')

From benignbala at gmail.com  Thu Sep 29 11:20:45 2011
From: benignbala at gmail.com (Balachandran Sivakumar)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:50:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Howto run python selenium script on remote server
In-Reply-To: <CANR2JHgy7R0X21d5ybxwYHnPw1iqRXyaE3KjnQ-9_yaWWkK5nA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANR2JHgy7R0X21d5ybxwYHnPw1iqRXyaE3KjnQ-9_yaWWkK5nA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMbkTg+S8XdiX4umOfRLUhitPgGRaULGucKzs6foO6Orh9yvLw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Saju M <sajuptpm at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I created a script using selenium and its working in my local system.
> But when i trying to run it in remote machine (Centos), getting error.
> This script should need to open a firefox browser. So i think the the
> script could not open the firefox browser on remote machine(Server).
> Have any way to run it on remote machine(Server)?????.
>

       Does the remote machine have firefox installed the the default
path ? That's one thing that can go wrong


> selenium.common.exceptions.WebDriverException: Message: "Can't load
> the profile. Profile Dir : /tmp/tmpWmkFsy"
>

       The error is with the firefox profile folder. You can pass it
as a parameter. I used to use the RC, and it had a
-fireforeProfileTemplate parameter to which you pass on the path to
the profile folder. There must something like that for WebDriver as
well. Thanks



-- 
Thank you
Balachandran Sivakumar

Arise Awake and stop not till the goal is reached.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- Swami Vivekananda

Mail: benignbala at gmail.com
Blog: http://benignbala.wordpress.com/

From noufal at gmail.com  Thu Sep 29 12:39:14 2011
From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 16:09:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python 3.2 and Django
In-Reply-To: <1317271993.13888.YahooMailNeo@web114716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	(Hussain Bohra's message of "Wed, 28 Sep 2011 21:53:13 -0700 (PDT)")
References: <1317271027.31494.YahooMailNeo@web114711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CAD=RLAge9_i_gL4phbNC8Y5dEoYtqdQoaeU=k-T-Cyn6nOGYSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1317271993.13888.YahooMailNeo@web114716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <87zkhn7hv1.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>

Hussain Bohra <hussainbohra_30 at yahoo.com> writes:

> Thanks Mr. Gora and Mr. Sreekanth ...  Let me identify if any other
> MVC framework I can use along with python 3.2.

[...]

Is there some real need to use Python 3.2? Most frameworks and libraries
support only the 2.x series. 


-- 
~noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

I don't think anyone should write their autobiography until after they're dead. -Samuel Goldwyn

From syed1.mushtaq at gmail.com  Thu Sep 29 12:43:59 2011
From: syed1.mushtaq at gmail.com (Syed Mushtaq)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 16:13:59 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Howto run python selenium script on remote server
In-Reply-To: <CANR2JHgy7R0X21d5ybxwYHnPw1iqRXyaE3KjnQ-9_yaWWkK5nA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANR2JHgy7R0X21d5ybxwYHnPw1iqRXyaE3KjnQ-9_yaWWkK5nA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADMzvUpFRS52WXh1EMRGJW1bGNakBMWaF5tou81iVdETh7SUrw@mail.gmail.com>

Does you server have X running ? If yes you might want to set the DISPLAY
env variable . If no then you must either run X or install something like
Xvfb[1] to make firefox run


[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xvfb

Thanks
-Syed

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Saju M <sajuptpm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> I created a script using selenium and its working in my local system.
> But when i trying to run it in remote machine (Centos), getting error.
> This script should need to open a firefox browser. So i think the the
> script could not open the firefox browser on remote machine(Server).
> Have any way to run it on remote machine(Server)?????.
>
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "script.py", line 34, in <module>
>    s = Search()
>  File "script.py", line 8, in __init__
>    self.driver  = webdriver.Firefox()
>  File
> "/home/madfishe/env6/lib/python2.6/site-packages/selenium-2.7.0-py2.6.egg/selenium/webdriver/firefox/webdriver.py",
> line 46, in __init__
>    self.binary, timeout),
>  File
> "/home/madfishe/env6/lib/python2.6/site-packages/selenium-2.7.0-py2.6.egg/selenium/webdriver/firefox/extension_connection.py",
> line 46, in __init__
>    self.binary.launch_browser(self.profile)
>  File
> "/home/madfishe/env6/lib/python2.6/site-packages/selenium-2.7.0-py2.6.egg/selenium/webdriver/firefox/firefox_binary.py",
> line 44, in launch_browser
>    self._wait_until_connectable()
>  File
> "/home/madfishe/env6/lib/python2.6/site-packages/selenium-2.7.0-py2.6.egg/selenium/webdriver/firefox/firefox_binary.py",
> line 87, in _wait_until_connectable
>    raise WebDriverException("Can't load the profile. Profile Dir :
> %s" % self.profile.path)
> selenium.common.exceptions.WebDriverException: Message: "Can't load
> the profile. Profile Dir : /tmp/tmpWmkFsy"
>
> ------------------------------------- script
>
> from selenium import webdriver
> import BeautifulSoup
> class Search:
>        def __init__(self):
>                self.url ='http://www.google.co.in'
>                self.search_url = None
>                self.driver  = webdriver.Firefox()
>
>        def search(self, search_query, search_location=None):
>                if search_query:
>                        self.search_url = "%s/search?q=%s" %(self.url,
> search_query)
>                        self.driver.get(self.search_url)
>                        search_fld =
> self.driver.find_element_by_id("lst-ib")
>                        #help(search_fld)
>                        search_btn =
> self.driver.find_element_by_name("btnK")
>                        search_btn.submit()
>                        if search_location:
>                                self.change_location(search_location)
>                        html = self.driver.page_source
>                        soup=BeautifulSoup.BeautifulSoup(html)
>                        result = soup.findAll(attrs={"class" : "l"})
>                        return result
>
>        def change_location(self, new_location):
>
>  self.driver.find_element_by_id("toggle_location_link").click()
>
>  self.driver.find_element_by_id("lc-input").send_keys(new_location)
>                els = self.driver.find_elements_by_tag_name("input")
>                set_el = [el for el in els if
> el.get_attribute('value')=='Set']
>                #print "-------value-----", set_el[0].get_attribute('value')
>                set_el[0].submit()
> s = Search()
> print"------search result------", s.search('python', 'kerala')
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From syed1.mushtaq at gmail.com  Thu Sep 29 12:46:40 2011
From: syed1.mushtaq at gmail.com (Syed Mushtaq)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 16:16:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python 3.2 and Django
In-Reply-To: <87zkhn7hv1.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
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You may find this discussion interesting . Found it on reddit few days back
.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/krk9w/how_many_people_actually_use_python_3_on_their/



On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hussain Bohra <hussainbohra_30 at yahoo.com> writes:
>
> > Thanks Mr. Gora and Mr. Sreekanth ...  Let me identify if any other
> > MVC framework I can use along with python 3.2.
>
> [...]
>
> Is there some real need to use Python 3.2? Most frameworks and libraries
> support only the 2.x series.
>
>
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From sajuptpm at gmail.com  Thu Sep 29 13:31:03 2011
From: sajuptpm at gmail.com (Saju M)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:01:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] BangPypers Digest, Vol 49, Issue 32
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> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:26:24 +0530
> From: Saju M <sajuptpm at gmail.com>
> To: bangpypers at python.org
> Subject: [BangPypers] Howto run python selenium script on remote
> ? ? ? ?server
> Message-ID:
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> Hi,
> I created a script using selenium and its working in my local system.
> But when i trying to run it in remote machine (Centos), getting error.
> This script should need to open a firefox browser. So i think the the
> script could not open the firefox browser on remote machine(Server).
> Have any way to run it on remote machine(Server)?????.
>
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
> ?File "script.py", line 34, in <module>
> ? ?s = Search()
> ?File "script.py", line 8, in __init__
> ? ?self.driver ?= webdriver.Firefox()
> ?File "/home/madfishe/env6/lib/python2.6/site-packages/selenium-2.7.0-py2.6.egg/selenium/webdriver/firefox/webdriver.py",
> line 46, in __init__
> ? ?self.binary, timeout),
> ?File "/home/madfishe/env6/lib/python2.6/site-packages/selenium-2.7.0-py2.6.egg/selenium/webdriver/firefox/extension_connection.py",
> line 46, in __init__
> ? ?self.binary.launch_browser(self.profile)
> ?File "/home/madfishe/env6/lib/python2.6/site-packages/selenium-2.7.0-py2.6.egg/selenium/webdriver/firefox/firefox_binary.py",
> line 44, in launch_browser
> ? ?self._wait_until_connectable()
> ?File "/home/madfishe/env6/lib/python2.6/site-packages/selenium-2.7.0-py2.6.egg/selenium/webdriver/firefox/firefox_binary.py",
> line 87, in _wait_until_connectable
> ? ?raise WebDriverException("Can't load the profile. Profile Dir :
> %s" % self.profile.path)
> selenium.common.exceptions.WebDriverException: Message: "Can't load
> the profile. Profile Dir : /tmp/tmpWmkFsy"
>
> ------------------------------------- script
>
> from selenium import webdriver
> import BeautifulSoup
> class Search:
> ? ? ? ?def __init__(self):
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?self.url ='http://www.google.co.in'
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?self.search_url = None
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?self.driver ?= webdriver.Firefox()
>
> ? ? ? ?def search(self, search_query, search_location=None):
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?if search_query:
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?self.search_url = "%s/search?q=%s" %(self.url, search_query)
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?self.driver.get(self.search_url)
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?search_fld = self.driver.find_element_by_id("lst-ib")
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?#help(search_fld)
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?search_btn = self.driver.find_element_by_name("btnK")
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?search_btn.submit()
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?if search_location:
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?self.change_location(search_location)
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?html = self.driver.page_source
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?soup=BeautifulSoup.BeautifulSoup(html)
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?result = soup.findAll(attrs={"class" : "l"})
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?return result
>
> ? ? ? ?def change_location(self, new_location):
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?self.driver.find_element_by_id("toggle_location_link").click()
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?self.driver.find_element_by_id("lc-input").send_keys(new_location)
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?els = self.driver.find_elements_by_tag_name("input")
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?set_el = [el for el in els if el.get_attribute('value')=='Set']
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?#print "-------value-----", set_el[0].get_attribute('value')
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?set_el[0].submit()
> s = Search()
> print"------search result------", s.search('python', 'kerala')
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 14:50:45 +0530
> From: Balachandran Sivakumar <benignbala at gmail.com>
> To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Howto run python selenium script on remote
> ? ? ? ?server
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Saju M <sajuptpm at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I created a script using selenium and its working in my local system.
>> But when i trying to run it in remote machine (Centos), getting error.
>> This script should need to open a firefox browser. So i think the the
>> script could not open the firefox browser on remote machine(Server).
>> Have any way to run it on remote machine(Server)?????.
>>
>
> ? ? ? Does the remote machine have firefox installed the the default
> path ? That's one thing that can go wrong
>
>
>> selenium.common.exceptions.WebDriverException: Message: "Can't load
>> the profile. Profile Dir : /tmp/tmpWmkFsy"
>>
>
> ? ? ? The error is with the firefox profile folder. You can pass it
> as a parameter. I used to use the RC, and it had a
> -fireforeProfileTemplate parameter to which you pass on the path to
> the profile folder. There must something like that for WebDriver as
> well. Thanks
>
>
>
> --
> Thank you
> Balachandran Sivakumar
>
> Arise Awake and stop not till the goal is reached.
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From sajuptpm at gmail.com  Thu Sep 29 13:43:57 2011
From: sajuptpm at gmail.com (Saju M)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:13:57 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Howto run python selenium script on remote server
Message-ID: <CANR2JHi5b=MO6rds=n1wAd9ZC-vPpBdQE8aO+mqCSs2o-Ym5AQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Balachandran Sivakumar,
Thanks for reply

* Yes is can see the firefox command on remote server's terminal.
* I think remote server does not have GUI, so is it possible to run firefox.
* When i run #firefox  on remote server it not showing Error: no
display specified.

>>Does the remote machine have firefox installed the the default
>> path ? That's one thing that can go wrong

>>>The error is with the firefox profile folder. You can pass it
>> as a parameter. I used to use the RC, and it had a
>> -fireforeProfileTemplate parameter to which you pass on the path to
>> the profile folder. There must something like that for WebDriver as
>> well. Thanks

From baiju.m.mail at gmail.com  Thu Sep 29 14:05:16 2011
From: baiju.m.mail at gmail.com (Baiju M)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 17:35:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Howto run python selenium script on remote server
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On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Saju M <sajuptpm at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I created a script using selenium and its working in my local system.
> But when i trying to run it in remote machine (Centos), getting error.
> This script should need to open a firefox browser. So i think the the
> script could not open the firefox browser on remote machine(Server).
> Have any way to run it on remote machine(Server)?????.

I have written some docs for this:
http://readthedocs.org/docs/selenium-python/en/latest/getting-started.html#using-selenium-with-remote-webdriver

If you want to contribute, fork the documentation here:
https://github.com/baijum/selenium-python

Regards,
Baiju M

From sajuptpm at gmail.com  Thu Sep 29 17:23:42 2011
From: sajuptpm at gmail.com (Saju M)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:53:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Howto run python selenium script on remote server
Message-ID: <CANR2JHimzkB-RAmjp=uVdpmhd8xU1gDfjGP_X0iSsoioD+wgPw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I tried to open one GUI app in server, but not working

[root at c5 ~]# export DISPLAY=":1.0"
[root at c5 ~]# xclock
Error: Can't open display: :1.0


[root at c5 ~]# export DISPLAY=":0.0"
[root at c5 ~]# xclock
Error: Can't open display: :0.0


[root at c5 ~]#  ps -ef | grep X
root      3900  3897  0 11:18 tty7     00:00:01 /usr/bin/Xorg :0 -br
-audit 0 -auth /var/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7
root      3941  3585  0 11:22 pts/1    00:00:00 grep X
[root at c5 ~]#

From benignbala at gmail.com  Thu Sep 29 17:55:18 2011
From: benignbala at gmail.com (Balachandran Sivakumar)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 21:25:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Howto run python selenium script on remote server
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Hi,

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Saju M <sajuptpm at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I tried to open one GUI app in server, but not working
>
> [root at c5 ~]# export DISPLAY=":1.0"
> [root at c5 ~]# xclock
> Error: Can't open display: :1.0
>

        IIRC, on most GNU/Linux machines, ssh -X user at host would allow
launching GUI applications without any other settings. But in case it
doesn't work, I think you would need to export DISPLAY to your
client's X, so it would be something like export
DISPLAY=client_ip:0.0. Give it a try. Thanks

-- 
Thank you
Balachandran Sivakumar

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From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Fri Sep 30 10:06:01 2011
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 13:36:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] parsing xml
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On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:

> 2011/7/28 Venkatraman S <venkat83 at gmail.com>:
> > parsing using minidom is one of the slowest. if you just want to extract
> the
> > distance and assuming that it(the tag) will always be consistent, then i
> > would always suggest regexp. xml parsing is a pain.
>
> regexp is a bad solution to parse xml.
>

Partly because the answer is loosely related and partly because of the
humour quotient, I thought this response to using regex's to parse HTMLs
(which is perhaps more challenging in general than XMLs) was quite an
interesting read. Note this response could be considered a bit OT so don't
take it too seriously in the context of this thread's discussion.

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open-tags-except-xhtml-self-contained-tags/1732454#1732454

>
> minidom is the fastest solution if you consider the programmer time
> instead of developer time.  Minidom is available in standard library,
> you don't have to add another dependency and worry about PyPI
> downtimes and lxml compilations failures.
>
> I don't think there will be significant performance difference between
> regexp and minidom unless you are doing it a million times.
>
>