From venkat83 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  3 09:06:20 2013
From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 12:36:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] RIP - Atul Chitnis
Message-ID: <CAN7tdFR_g52C9F2UyDqO6vKv3koK=qTgy_rujxm-Ha6Ak-d+1g@mail.gmail.com>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atul_Chitnis

-V
@venkasub <http://about.me/venkasub>

From netwebsteps at gmail.com  Mon Jun  3 09:19:30 2013
From: netwebsteps at gmail.com (G.T.RAO)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 12:49:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] RIP - Atul Chitnis
In-Reply-To: <CAN7tdFR_g52C9F2UyDqO6vKv3koK=qTgy_rujxm-Ha6Ak-d+1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN7tdFR_g52C9F2UyDqO6vKv3koK=qTgy_rujxm-Ha6Ak-d+1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANx6DUOKTpJ9aPpkGDuyprQOcjKHbZ672ewNtw3oJ=oW-8gfoA@mail.gmail.com>

R.I.P Atul Chitnis ,Another big loss for FOSS community.  father of
foss.inpassed
away.

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Venkatraman S <venkat83 at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atul_Chitnis
>
> -V
> @venkasub <http://about.me/venkasub>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>






G.T.RAO

http://fossyatra.wordpress.com

??????: ??:????? ?? ???? ????? ????????? ?? ?? ??? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ?????
??. ?? ??? adware,?? ??? spyware, ????? ????? ?????????.
Linux(?????? ): ????? ??? ????????(???) ??? ????? ???????? ????? ???? ???
????? ???? ????? ??. ?? ??? ????? , ?? ???  ????????, ????? ????? ????????.

From ramdaz at gmail.com  Mon Jun  3 10:02:39 2013
From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 13:32:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] RIP - Atul Chitnis
In-Reply-To: <CANx6DUOKTpJ9aPpkGDuyprQOcjKHbZ672ewNtw3oJ=oW-8gfoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN7tdFR_g52C9F2UyDqO6vKv3koK=qTgy_rujxm-Ha6Ak-d+1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANx6DUOKTpJ9aPpkGDuyprQOcjKHbZ672ewNtw3oJ=oW-8gfoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP915yWBhRHPD8pFuPxzYfM=N_9ENiz28F5JHmUWes_tg=EW0Q@mail.gmail.com>

It's extremely sad. Atul may never the most favourite FOSS icon for many of
us, but you simply need to salute the spirit of the man and his
enterprising nature.
Anand Pillai, you may remember the afternoon we both spent with him at his
office discussing possibilities of a Python mini-conference at Foss.in in
2005. He did give us some ideas then....

RIP Atul! Thanks for everything....




2013/6/3 G.T.RAO <netwebsteps at gmail.com>

> R.I.P Atul Chitnis ,Another big loss for FOSS community.  father of
> foss.inpassed
> away.
>
> On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Venkatraman S <venkat83 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atul_Chitnis
> >
> > -V
> > @venkasub <http://about.me/venkasub>
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> G.T.RAO
>
> http://fossyatra.wordpress.com
>
> ??????: ??:????? ?? ???? ????? ????????? ?? ?? ??? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ?????
> ??. ?? ??? adware,?? ??? spyware, ????? ????? ?????????.
> Linux(?????? ): ????? ??? ????????(???) ??? ????? ???????? ????? ???? ???
> ????? ???? ????? ??. ?? ??? ????? , ?? ???  ????????, ????? ????? ????????.
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Ramdas S
+91 9342 583 065
My Personal Blog on http://ramdaz.wordpress.com

From mandarvaze at gmail.com  Mon Jun  3 11:26:11 2013
From: mandarvaze at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?TWFuZGFyIFZhemUgLyDgpK7gpILgpKbgpL7gpLAg4KS14KSd4KWH?=)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2013 14:56:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] RIP - Atul Chitnis
In-Reply-To: <CAN7tdFR_g52C9F2UyDqO6vKv3koK=qTgy_rujxm-Ha6Ak-d+1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN7tdFR_g52C9F2UyDqO6vKv3koK=qTgy_rujxm-Ha6Ak-d+1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADDYdfsiw8u3xJv7AvGwEUBxT_Q+VECq4cY8w-Ct7FAzXR4TmA@mail.gmail.com>

Really sad and shocking.

I had a "bad feeling" when I read one of his last tweet that he was looking
for a wheelchair, but I had always thought that he would recover.

I remember reading his column "comversations" in PCQuest decades ago and
meeting him in person when he was in Pune few years ago.

-Mandar

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Venkatraman S <venkat83 at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atul_Chitnis
>
> -V
> @venkasub <http://about.me/venkasub>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From anandology at gmail.com  Tue Jun  4 05:27:27 2013
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 08:57:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Commercial] Python Training Course: June 21-23
Message-ID: <CAC7wXFxtbcMk_cFepSEvOaTuGWEGNxSuS2_4nW4VhkEGewvwYA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm conducting a three day hands-on training course on Python
programming on June 21, 22 and 23 (Friday, Saturday & Sunday).

The course notes is freely available online at
http://anandology.com/python-practice-book/.

For more information about the course and registration, please visit
the course page at:

http://pythontraining-june2013.doattend.com/

Please contact me offline if you have any questions.

Thanks,
Anand
http://anandology.com/

From divyaniyer at gmail.com  Tue Jun  4 08:07:27 2013
From: divyaniyer at gmail.com (Divya)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 11:37:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Teradata python ODBC driver
Message-ID: <CAO4dV17fqBbby9Amf+xghyt2kJ6O7f9dLeob_2hqDb+t2q0T6Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I have to connect Python based script (Python2.6) to Teradata using ODBC
driver on Linux.

Can any one please suggest / help me to integrate.

Thanks,
Divya

From abpillai at gmail.com  Tue Jun  4 08:25:56 2013
From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand B Pillai)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 11:55:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [OT] RIP - Atul Chitnis
In-Reply-To: <CAP915yWBhRHPD8pFuPxzYfM=N_9ENiz28F5JHmUWes_tg=EW0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN7tdFR_g52C9F2UyDqO6vKv3koK=qTgy_rujxm-Ha6Ak-d+1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANx6DUOKTpJ9aPpkGDuyprQOcjKHbZ672ewNtw3oJ=oW-8gfoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP915yWBhRHPD8pFuPxzYfM=N_9ENiz28F5JHmUWes_tg=EW0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACpj97AdVmKm6BU-F41-GN5DHQ_+r7oCrKr=X4UJHgzHOyDz4g@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Ramdas S <ramdaz at gmail.com> wrote:

> It's extremely sad. Atul may never the most favourite FOSS icon for many of
> us, but you simply need to salute the spirit of the man and his
> enterprising nature.
> Anand Pillai, you may remember the afternoon we both spent with him at his
> office discussing possibilities of a Python mini-conference at Foss.in in
> 2005. He did give us some ideas then....
>
> Yes, very vividly. The entire meeting comes back to memory. He was at that
time putting together the idea of FOSS.in to a plan and I recall how he made
his ideas clear on the board. I recall spending that meeting mostly being
a listener. A master at bringing his ideas to execution...

Though we didn't accomplish what we came for at the meeting, it did
leave a lasting impression.

https://twitter.com/pythonhacker/status/341794681102946305


> RIP Atul! Thanks for everything....
>
>
>
>
> 2013/6/3 G.T.RAO <netwebsteps at gmail.com>
>
> > R.I.P Atul Chitnis ,Another big loss for FOSS community.  father of
> > foss.inpassed
> > away.
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Venkatraman S <venkat83 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atul_Chitnis
> > >
> > > -V
> > > @venkasub <http://about.me/venkasub>
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > G.T.RAO
> >
> > http://fossyatra.wordpress.com
> >
> > ??????: ??:????? ?? ???? ????? ????????? ?? ?? ??? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ?????
> > ??. ?? ??? adware,?? ??? spyware, ????? ????? ?????????.
> > Linux(?????? ): ????? ??? ????????(???) ??? ????? ???????? ????? ???? ???
> > ????? ???? ????? ??. ?? ??? ????? , ?? ???  ????????, ????? ?????
> ????????.
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Ramdas S
> +91 9342 583 065
> My Personal Blog on http://ramdaz.wordpress.com
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Regards,

--Anand

From gora at mimirtech.com  Tue Jun  4 09:58:40 2013
From: gora at mimirtech.com (Gora Mohanty)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 13:28:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Teradata python ODBC driver
In-Reply-To: <CAO4dV17fqBbby9Amf+xghyt2kJ6O7f9dLeob_2hqDb+t2q0T6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO4dV17fqBbby9Amf+xghyt2kJ6O7f9dLeob_2hqDb+t2q0T6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACiMRGLQHRY62mXDHTe7pXbcCia1ZT520nZV7UKe_MoZQS15tQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 4 June 2013 11:37, Divya <divyaniyer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I have to connect Python based script (Python2.6) to Teradata using ODBC
> driver on Linux.
>
> Can any one please suggest / help me to integrate.

As has been mentioned before for similar requests,
nobody is going to do your work for you. Have you
even tried searching Google.

Please tell us in more detail what the code needs to
do, what your approach is, and ideally show us some
code sample that you tried, tell us what did not work,
and ask more specific questions.

Regards,
Gora

From fagun.bhavsar at gmail.com  Tue Jun  4 10:41:20 2013
From: fagun.bhavsar at gmail.com (Fagun Bhavsar)
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2013 14:11:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Query | Automating report through Python
Message-ID: <51ADA830.7040608@gmail.com>

Hi,

I have couple of reports that need to be sent during end of the day. 
There's single DB table, from which data is being picked and put into 
xcel-like tabular format and sent to specific email address.

I want to understand - by using python, how to go about for automating 
this task? What are the key points to be considered here? This is just 
for learning purpose, hence I am looking forward to similar examples, if 
someone can guide me.

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Fagun

From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Tue Jun  4 10:49:12 2013
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2013 14:19:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Query | Automating report through Python
In-Reply-To: <51ADA830.7040608@gmail.com> (Fagun Bhavsar's message of "Tue, 04
	Jun 2013 14:11:20 +0530")
References: <51ADA830.7040608@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8761xu6z1z.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>

Fagun Bhavsar <fagun.bhavsar at gmail.com> writes:

> Hi,
>
> I have couple of reports that need to be sent during end of the
> day. There's single DB table, from which data is being picked and put
> into xcel-like tabular format and sent to specific email address.
>
> I want to understand - by using python, how to go about for automating
> this task? What are the key points to be considered here? This is just
> for learning purpose, hence I am looking forward to similar examples,
> if someone can guide me.

It seems quite straightforward. Connect to the db, run your query,
convert the response into a csv or tsv (there is a csv module in the
standard libary) file and then email (there's an smtp module in the
stdlib too) it. It'd look the same in most scripting languages.

What exactly are you looking for? 

[...]


-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From svaksha at gmail.com  Tue Jun  4 10:56:45 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktw==?=)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 14:26:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Query | Automating report through Python
In-Reply-To: <8761xu6z1z.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
References: <51ADA830.7040608@gmail.com>
	<8761xu6z1z.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
Message-ID: <CAN9ztG99nUcnyCXo6nXboMGOBknA3D17=6xkYsSiu2y3aut3Qg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote:
> Fagun Bhavsar <fagun.bhavsar at gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have couple of reports that need to be sent during end of the
>> day. There's single DB table, from which data is being picked and put
>> into xcel-like tabular format and sent to specific email address.
>>
>> I want to understand - by using python, how to go about for automating
>> this task? What are the key points to be considered here? This is just
>> for learning purpose, hence I am looking forward to similar examples,
>> if someone can guide me.
>
> It seems quite straightforward. Connect to the db, run your query,
> convert the response into a csv or tsv (there is a csv module in the
> standard libary) file and then email (there's an smtp module in the
> stdlib too) it. It'd look the same in most scripting languages.

In addition to the above, run it off as a cron job (on *nix machines)
at the end of your day.
svaksha ? http://svaksha.com ?

From fagun.bhavsar at gmail.com  Tue Jun  4 12:20:49 2013
From: fagun.bhavsar at gmail.com (Fagun Bhavsar)
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2013 15:50:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Query | Automating report through Python
In-Reply-To: <CAN9ztG99nUcnyCXo6nXboMGOBknA3D17=6xkYsSiu2y3aut3Qg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51ADA830.7040608@gmail.com>
	<8761xu6z1z.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAN9ztG99nUcnyCXo6nXboMGOBknA3D17=6xkYsSiu2y3aut3Qg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51ADBF81.3050605@gmail.com>

Thanks a lot @Noufal and @Svaksha. As @Noufal mentioned, I was looking 
forward to the steps in order to break a problem in small chunks and 
then to work on it.

Regards,
Fagun


On Tuesday 04 June 2013 02:26 PM, ?????? wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote:
>> Fagun Bhavsar <fagun.bhavsar at gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have couple of reports that need to be sent during end of the
>>> day. There's single DB table, from which data is being picked and put
>>> into xcel-like tabular format and sent to specific email address.
>>>
>>> I want to understand - by using python, how to go about for automating
>>> this task? What are the key points to be considered here? This is just
>>> for learning purpose, hence I am looking forward to similar examples,
>>> if someone can guide me.
>> It seems quite straightforward. Connect to the db, run your query,
>> convert the response into a csv or tsv (there is a csv module in the
>> standard libary) file and then email (there's an smtp module in the
>> stdlib too) it. It'd look the same in most scripting languages.
> In addition to the above, run it off as a cron job (on *nix machines)
> at the end of your day.
> svaksha ? http://svaksha.com ?
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers



From modi.konark at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 05:29:20 2013
From: modi.konark at gmail.com (konark modi)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 08:59:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Interesting Mind Map of " Python for Big Data "
Message-ID: <CAPhs5j9+sWeJgF2JKqiwCi=da_ig+12YJ4odiu9GbSRpwNVjSg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

Came across this interesting Mind Map of "Python for Big Data" . Thought of
sharing this with the larger group .
http://www.xmind.net/m/WvfC/


Regards
Konark

From vnbang2003 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  5 05:36:00 2013
From: vnbang2003 at yahoo.com (vijay)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 11:36:00 +0800 (SGT)
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
Message-ID: <1370403360.6333.YahooMailNeo@web192203.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>

?Hi,
? ? ?Registrations are open for PyCon India 2013.
? ? ? ?http://pyconindia2013.doattend.com/
? ?Please spread the word and book your early-bird tickets.

With Thanks
VIjay

From satyaakam at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 06:35:36 2013
From: satyaakam at gmail.com (satyaakam goswami)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 10:05:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Inpycon] [X-post] Registrations are open
In-Reply-To: <CAA8H8LK=OefuBVOaApa5fnh=bPjpwWSRb1jTrOAJSW2WJx023Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1370403360.6333.YahooMailNeo@web192203.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
	<CAA8H8LK=OefuBVOaApa5fnh=bPjpwWSRb1jTrOAJSW2WJx023Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALre89kQDyum9pDQL7NxLYsPE+3zP7hv5B03kS7n5AomYLmh+A@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Vinayak Kolagi <vkolgi at gmail.com> wrote:

> I did the registration. Just asking !! Am I the first one to register ? :-P
>

hmm race time , actually it would be interesting to  to see how fast they
are all gone , How will you know that you are the first one ?  hmm one
criteria could be if all those who have registered share the time they got
the mail from do attend  , by the time i went to the page there were 14
tweets about the page already so in all probability you may not be the one
:P any way did you tweet about it after doing it ?

-Satya

From satishsagar83 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 06:40:49 2013
From: satishsagar83 at gmail.com (L Radhakrishna Rao)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 10:10:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Inpycon] [X-post] Registrations are open
In-Reply-To: <CALre89kQDyum9pDQL7NxLYsPE+3zP7hv5B03kS7n5AomYLmh+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1370403360.6333.YahooMailNeo@web192203.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
	<CAA8H8LK=OefuBVOaApa5fnh=bPjpwWSRb1jTrOAJSW2WJx023Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALre89kQDyum9pDQL7NxLYsPE+3zP7hv5B03kS7n5AomYLmh+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAZd-jRpTeuWgjQrx25DXEBY2Buq0W=bweDbcjeUUUYTaGt+1A@mail.gmail.com>

I don't want to attend the workshop, but want to attend the conference.

How to go for it?

Thanks


On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:05 AM, satyaakam goswami <satyaakam at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Vinayak Kolagi <vkolgi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I did the registration. Just asking !! Am I the first one to register ?
> :-P
> >
>
> hmm race time , actually it would be interesting to  to see how fast they
> are all gone , How will you know that you are the first one ?  hmm one
> criteria could be if all those who have registered share the time they got
> the mail from do attend  , by the time i went to the page there were 14
> tweets about the page already so in all probability you may not be the one
> :P any way did you tweet about it after doing it ?
>
> -Satya
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From vnbang2003 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  5 06:45:50 2013
From: vnbang2003 at yahoo.com (vijay)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 12:45:50 +0800 (SGT)
Subject: [BangPypers] [Inpycon] [X-post] Registrations are open
In-Reply-To: <CAAZd-jRpTeuWgjQrx25DXEBY2Buq0W=bweDbcjeUUUYTaGt+1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1370403360.6333.YahooMailNeo@web192203.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
	<CAA8H8LK=OefuBVOaApa5fnh=bPjpwWSRb1jTrOAJSW2WJx023Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALre89kQDyum9pDQL7NxLYsPE+3zP7hv5B03kS7n5AomYLmh+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAZd-jRpTeuWgjQrx25DXEBY2Buq0W=bweDbcjeUUUYTaGt+1A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1370407550.26455.YahooMailNeo@web192206.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>

We have not opened ticket for workshop yet . It just for conference.
So go ahead and book you ticket.


________________________________
 From: L Radhakrishna Rao <satishsagar83 at gmail.com>
To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, 5 June 2013 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [BangPypers] [Inpycon] [X-post] Registrations are open
 

I don't want to attend the workshop, but want to attend the conference.

How to go for it?

Thanks


On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:05 AM, satyaakam goswami <satyaakam at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Vinayak Kolagi <vkolgi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I did the registration. Just asking !! Am I the first one to register ?
> :-P
> >
>
> hmm race time , actually it would be interesting to? to see how fast they
> are all gone , How will you know that you are the first one ?? hmm one
> criteria could be if all those who have registered share the time they got
> the mail from do attend? , by the time i went to the page there were 14
> tweets about the page already so in all probability you may not be the one
> :P any way did you tweet about it after doing it ?
>
> -Satya
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>
_______________________________________________
BangPypers mailing list
BangPypers at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers

From vkolgi at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 06:48:37 2013
From: vkolgi at gmail.com (Vinayak Kolagi)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 10:18:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Inpycon] [X-post] Registrations are open
In-Reply-To: <CALre89kQDyum9pDQL7NxLYsPE+3zP7hv5B03kS7n5AomYLmh+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1370403360.6333.YahooMailNeo@web192203.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
	<CAA8H8LK=OefuBVOaApa5fnh=bPjpwWSRb1jTrOAJSW2WJx023Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALre89kQDyum9pDQL7NxLYsPE+3zP7hv5B03kS7n5AomYLmh+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA8H8LJdAWkkr6iD4FPUZ2=tEC4HKR7coCLheOo+rQJ-i5WMrw@mail.gmail.com>

Oh ! yes. Will do it right now from my FB and twitter.
Felling bad for missing that sweet spot :-) You guys are doing great job !!

Thanks.



On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:05 AM, satyaakam goswami <satyaakam at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Vinayak Kolagi <vkolgi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I did the registration. Just asking !! Am I the first one to register ?
>> :-P
>>
>
> hmm race time , actually it would be interesting to  to see how fast they
> are all gone , How will you know that you are the first one ?  hmm one
> criteria could be if all those who have registered share the time they got
> the mail from do attend , by the time i went to the page there were 14
> tweets about the page already so in all probability you may not be the one
> :P any way did you tweet about it after doing it ?
>
> -Satya
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
>


-- 
With Regards,

Vinayak Kolagi
IT Analyst
TCS, Bangalore

From satishsagar83 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 06:49:59 2013
From: satishsagar83 at gmail.com (L Radhakrishna Rao)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 10:19:59 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Inpycon] [X-post] Registrations are open
In-Reply-To: <1370407550.26455.YahooMailNeo@web192206.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
References: <1370403360.6333.YahooMailNeo@web192203.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
	<CAA8H8LK=OefuBVOaApa5fnh=bPjpwWSRb1jTrOAJSW2WJx023Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALre89kQDyum9pDQL7NxLYsPE+3zP7hv5B03kS7n5AomYLmh+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAZd-jRpTeuWgjQrx25DXEBY2Buq0W=bweDbcjeUUUYTaGt+1A@mail.gmail.com>
	<1370407550.26455.YahooMailNeo@web192206.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAAZd-jRwgTUykzLOnj5sb2ZsS5HhzfqBRd9vmHjz2E+vk83Lvw@mail.gmail.com>

Okay,

So this means that even conference is paid one.

Thanks for the information.


On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:15 AM, vijay <vnbang2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> We have not opened ticket for workshop yet . It just for conference.
> So go ahead and book you ticket.
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: L Radhakrishna Rao <satishsagar83 at gmail.com>
> To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, 5 June 2013 10:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [BangPypers] [Inpycon] [X-post] Registrations are open
>
>
> I don't want to attend the workshop, but want to attend the conference.
>
> How to go for it?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:05 AM, satyaakam goswami <satyaakam at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Vinayak Kolagi <vkolgi at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I did the registration. Just asking !! Am I the first one to register ?
> > :-P
> > >
> >
> > hmm race time , actually it would be interesting to  to see how fast they
> > are all gone , How will you know that you are the first one ?  hmm one
> > criteria could be if all those who have registered share the time they
> got
> > the mail from do attend  , by the time i went to the page there were 14
> > tweets about the page already so in all probability you may not be the
> one
> > :P any way did you tweet about it after doing it ?
> >
> > -Satya
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 06:50:09 2013
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 10:20:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Inpycon] [X-post] Registrations are open
In-Reply-To: <CAAZd-jRpTeuWgjQrx25DXEBY2Buq0W=bweDbcjeUUUYTaGt+1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1370403360.6333.YahooMailNeo@web192203.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
	<CAA8H8LK=OefuBVOaApa5fnh=bPjpwWSRb1jTrOAJSW2WJx023Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALre89kQDyum9pDQL7NxLYsPE+3zP7hv5B03kS7n5AomYLmh+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAZd-jRpTeuWgjQrx25DXEBY2Buq0W=bweDbcjeUUUYTaGt+1A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAC7wXFwK24AL7_THHiCCYZ5e7zz+V9OmAEddLbo9ROHmESgYgQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:10 AM, L Radhakrishna Rao <satishsagar83 at gmail.com
> wrote:

> I don't want to attend the workshop, but want to attend the conference.
>

The fee is only for the main conference. You'll have to book separate
tickets if you want to attend a workshop.

Vijay, can you please make it clear on the doattend page?

Anand

From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 06:51:18 2013
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 10:21:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Inpycon] [X-post] Registrations are open
In-Reply-To: <CALre89kQDyum9pDQL7NxLYsPE+3zP7hv5B03kS7n5AomYLmh+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1370403360.6333.YahooMailNeo@web192203.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
	<CAA8H8LK=OefuBVOaApa5fnh=bPjpwWSRb1jTrOAJSW2WJx023Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALre89kQDyum9pDQL7NxLYsPE+3zP7hv5B03kS7n5AomYLmh+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAC7wXFxa1QLMkrs6X+c1DnMt4g+Y=FY2mEm7yRr5OXdEq46upg@mail.gmail.com>

There are already 7 registrations. Satyakam, you are #3.

Anand


On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:05 AM, satyaakam goswami <satyaakam at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Vinayak Kolagi <vkolgi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I did the registration. Just asking !! Am I the first one to register ?
> :-P
> >
>
> hmm race time , actually it would be interesting to  to see how fast they
> are all gone , How will you know that you are the first one ?  hmm one
> criteria could be if all those who have registered share the time they got
> the mail from do attend  , by the time i went to the page there were 14
> tweets about the page already so in all probability you may not be the one
> :P any way did you tweet about it after doing it ?
>
> -Satya
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>



-- 
Anand
http://anandology.com/

From satishsagar83 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 08:24:24 2013
From: satishsagar83 at gmail.com (L Radhakrishna Rao)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 11:54:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Inpycon] [X-post] Registrations are open
In-Reply-To: <CAC7wXFxa1QLMkrs6X+c1DnMt4g+Y=FY2mEm7yRr5OXdEq46upg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1370403360.6333.YahooMailNeo@web192203.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
	<CAA8H8LK=OefuBVOaApa5fnh=bPjpwWSRb1jTrOAJSW2WJx023Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALre89kQDyum9pDQL7NxLYsPE+3zP7hv5B03kS7n5AomYLmh+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC7wXFxa1QLMkrs6X+c1DnMt4g+Y=FY2mEm7yRr5OXdEq46upg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAZd-jQkGp3EwP47VeC+LPCp48GXEhx-5q55RicJKD0AeCCo1w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

How to do this through Facebook.

Thanks


On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:

> There are already 7 registrations. Satyakam, you are #3.
>
> Anand
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:05 AM, satyaakam goswami <satyaakam at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Vinayak Kolagi <vkolgi at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I did the registration. Just asking !! Am I the first one to register ?
> > :-P
> > >
> >
> > hmm race time , actually it would be interesting to  to see how fast they
> > are all gone , How will you know that you are the first one ?  hmm one
> > criteria could be if all those who have registered share the time they
> got
> > the mail from do attend  , by the time i went to the page there were 14
> > tweets about the page already so in all probability you may not be the
> one
> > :P any way did you tweet about it after doing it ?
> >
> > -Satya
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Anand
> http://anandology.com/
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From me at bibhas.in  Wed Jun  5 08:54:42 2013
From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas Ch Debnath)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 12:24:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Inpycon] [X-post] Registrations are open
In-Reply-To: <CAAZd-jQkGp3EwP47VeC+LPCp48GXEhx-5q55RicJKD0AeCCo1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1370403360.6333.YahooMailNeo@web192203.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
	<CAA8H8LK=OefuBVOaApa5fnh=bPjpwWSRb1jTrOAJSW2WJx023Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALre89kQDyum9pDQL7NxLYsPE+3zP7hv5B03kS7n5AomYLmh+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC7wXFxa1QLMkrs6X+c1DnMt4g+Y=FY2mEm7yRr5OXdEq46upg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAZd-jQkGp3EwP47VeC+LPCp48GXEhx-5q55RicJKD0AeCCo1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACavVu1S9ZcVp8vWmB5dmSyzb8C+YkvVtBtb9vfO3=wrNotYFQ@mail.gmail.com>

Registration done. :) Volunteer count++. :D


----
Bibhas
http://bibhas.in


On 5 June 2013 11:54, L Radhakrishna Rao <satishsagar83 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> How to do this through Facebook.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > There are already 7 registrations. Satyakam, you are #3.
> >
> > Anand
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:05 AM, satyaakam goswami <satyaakam at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Vinayak Kolagi <vkolgi at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I did the registration. Just asking !! Am I the first one to
> register ?
> > > :-P
> > > >
> > >
> > > hmm race time , actually it would be interesting to  to see how fast
> they
> > > are all gone , How will you know that you are the first one ?  hmm one
> > > criteria could be if all those who have registered share the time they
> > got
> > > the mail from do attend  , by the time i went to the page there were 14
> > > tweets about the page already so in all probability you may not be the
> > one
> > > :P any way did you tweet about it after doing it ?
> > >
> > > -Satya
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Anand
> > http://anandology.com/
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From svaksha at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 08:59:37 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktw==?=)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 12:29:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
In-Reply-To: <1370403360.6333.YahooMailNeo@web192203.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
References: <1370403360.6333.YahooMailNeo@web192203.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAN9ztG-GkWJPY_QGCZDJDc3Zo1b-Yup8m750q0i=6Zabw_jn6A@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/5/13, vijay <vnbang2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>  Hi,
>      Registrations are open for PyCon India 2013.
>        http://pyconindia2013.doattend.com/
>    Please spread the word and book your early-bird tickets.

I just booked my early-bird ticket and after the payment went through
DoAttend flagged my transaction because I did not want to provide my
personal details like my home address to a third-party website like
doattend.
I would like to know why DoAttend insists on people wanting to pay
them money to provide them irrelevant personal details - their email
AFTER THE card payment WENT THROUGH, claims there is a "minor mismatch
between the billing address you entered and the one registered against
your chosen mode of payment" - fwiw, they use ebs.in as the payment
gateway which after taking your card details redirects you to your
bank's secure website, where the entire transaction actually occurs.
Hence, I highly doubt if my bank will give access to external sites
like Doattend within their online transaction system - if they do, it
just increases the security risk in my personal opinion. OTOH, If my
bank is giving access to my personal details to third-party websites
or even payment gateway providers, I would like to take up this
privacy breach with them.
PS: For those who care, the bank sends you a OTP which you can then
use to validate the transaction just for that instance <-- which is
how it should be.

The DoAttend email says, "Please confirm that this is your billing
address by replying to this email. Your e-Tickets will be
automatically delivered via email within the next 48 hours.
Transaction Number for your Reference : 68706".
Since they are sending the e-Tickets by email, WHY do they need my
Home Address? What does DoAttend do with these personal details? I
recall raising a similar query some years ago when their rep replied
on the inpycon list that they dont sell those details. If they dont
why do they collect it? Why do they even need it for making a payment?
It is the responsibility of my bank to verify my details and they do
that already. Also, other online payment sites that I use dont insist
on this information.

I have not yet replied to the DoAttend email flagging my transaction
AFTER they have received the payment. I wanted to raise this privacy
issue with the organizers first because this should be taken up with
DoAttend. So, can you do something about this please?

Thanks,
svaksha ? http://svaksha.com ?

From svaksha at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 09:04:48 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktw==?=)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 12:34:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
In-Reply-To: <1370403360.6333.YahooMailNeo@web192203.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
References: <1370403360.6333.YahooMailNeo@web192203.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAN9ztG_7BRiyF66JzNR0BXxPGu=z2CMoyt2Wivnez0zXfkA44w@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry for the repeat mail - I meant to send it to the bangpypers list
as I am not on inpycon.

On 6/5/13, vijay <vnbang2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>  Hi,
>      Registrations are open for PyCon India 2013.
>        http://pyconindia2013.doattend.com/
>    Please spread the word and book your early-bird tickets.

I just booked my early-bird ticket and after the payment went through
DoAttend flagged my transaction because I did not want to provide my
personal details like my home address to a third-party website like
doattend.
I would like to know why DoAttend insists on people wanting to pay
them money to provide them irrelevant personal details - their email
AFTER THE card payment WENT THROUGH, claims there is a "minor mismatch
between the billing address you entered and the one registered against
your chosen mode of payment" - fwiw, they use ebs.in as the payment
gateway which after taking your card details redirects you to your
bank's secure website, where the entire transaction actually occurs.
Hence, I highly doubt if my bank will give access to external sites
like Doattend within their online transaction system - if they do, it
just increases the security risk in my personal opinion. OTOH, If my
bank is giving access to my personal details to third-party websites
or even payment gateway providers, I would like to take up this
privacy breach with them.
PS: For those who care, the bank sends you a OTP which you can then
use to validate the transaction just for that instance <-- which is
how it should be.

The DoAttend email says, "Please confirm that this is your billing
address by replying to this email. Your e-Tickets will be
automatically delivered via email within the next 48 hours.
Transaction Number for your Reference : 68706".
Since they are sending the e-Tickets by email, WHY do they need my
Home Address? What does DoAttend do with these personal details? I
recall raising a similar query some years ago when their rep replied
on the inpycon list that they dont sell those details. If they dont
why do they collect it? Why do they even need it for making a payment?
It is the responsibility of my bank to verify my details and they do
that already. Also, other online payment sites that I use dont insist
on this information.

I have not yet replied to the DoAttend email flagging my transaction
AFTER they have received the payment. I wanted to raise this privacy
issue with the organizers first because this should be taken up with
DoAttend. So, can you do something about this please?

Thanks,
svaksha ? http://svaksha.com ?

From satyaakam at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 09:05:54 2013
From: satyaakam at gmail.com (satyaakam goswami)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 12:35:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
In-Reply-To: <CAN9ztG-GkWJPY_QGCZDJDc3Zo1b-Yup8m750q0i=6Zabw_jn6A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1370403360.6333.YahooMailNeo@web192203.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
	<CAN9ztG-GkWJPY_QGCZDJDc3Zo1b-Yup8m750q0i=6Zabw_jn6A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALre89nK=dTD8-978pT53CP7Z3zLS4UNob7W65uhC04xXST8Aw@mail.gmail.com>

>
> I have not yet replied to the DoAttend email flagging my transaction
> AFTER they have received the payment. I wanted to raise this privacy
> issue with the organizers first because this should be taken up with
> DoAttend. So, can you do something about this please?
>

just curious how did you manage registering last year ? , i recall you
transferred the ticket on to someone else after some time.

-Satya

From satishsagar83 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 09:10:25 2013
From: satishsagar83 at gmail.com (L Radhakrishna Rao)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 12:40:25 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
In-Reply-To: <CALre89nK=dTD8-978pT53CP7Z3zLS4UNob7W65uhC04xXST8Aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1370403360.6333.YahooMailNeo@web192203.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
	<CAN9ztG-GkWJPY_QGCZDJDc3Zo1b-Yup8m750q0i=6Zabw_jn6A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALre89nK=dTD8-978pT53CP7Z3zLS4UNob7W65uhC04xXST8Aw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAZd-jQ_FG5Fv5UoY8Wq2_NDq1mHxHFAq57xRTjEu-RQMVSFtQ@mail.gmail.com>

My payment transaction is failing.

Kindly help me to to get through this.

Thanks


On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:35 PM, satyaakam goswami <satyaakam at gmail.com>wrote:

> >
> > I have not yet replied to the DoAttend email flagging my transaction
> > AFTER they have received the payment. I wanted to raise this privacy
> > issue with the organizers first because this should be taken up with
> > DoAttend. So, can you do something about this please?
> >
>
> just curious how did you manage registering last year ? , i recall you
> transferred the ticket on to someone else after some time.
>
> -Satya
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From svaksha at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 09:16:34 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktw==?=)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 12:46:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
In-Reply-To: <CALre89nK=dTD8-978pT53CP7Z3zLS4UNob7W65uhC04xXST8Aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1370403360.6333.YahooMailNeo@web192203.mail.sg3.yahoo.com>
	<CAN9ztG-GkWJPY_QGCZDJDc3Zo1b-Yup8m750q0i=6Zabw_jn6A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALre89nK=dTD8-978pT53CP7Z3zLS4UNob7W65uhC04xXST8Aw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN9ztG-BiW5bXpdgLMZh0_A1+9mtWdoXTzz5OVL3RffDCxf-4g@mail.gmail.com>

On 6/5/13, satyaakam goswami <satyaakam at gmail.com> wrote:
> just curious how did you manage registering last year ? , i recall you

The same way as i did this year, I did not provide my real home
address. The fact that the transaction went through with the wrong
address is proof enough that the bank (which has my real details) does
not provide access to the personal details of its client-base to
third-party vendors. This means DoAttend is faking it to collect
personal details of all those who register through their website, that
they are not upfront about this privacy breach is very disturbing.

> transferred the ticket on to someone else after some time.

it was transferred to Priya Iyer, thanks to Anand and Abdul Haseeb.

-- 
svaksha ? http://svaksha.com ?

From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Wed Jun  5 09:24:21 2013
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 12:54:21 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
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?????? <svaksha at gmail.com> writes:

> On 6/5/13, satyaakam goswami <satyaakam at gmail.com> wrote:
>> just curious how did you manage registering last year ? , i recall you
>
> The same way as i did this year, I did not provide my real home
> address. The fact that the transaction went through with the wrong
> address is proof enough that the bank (which has my real details) does
> not provide access to the personal details of its client-base to
> third-party vendors. This means DoAttend is faking it to collect
> personal details of all those who register through their website, that
> they are not upfront about this privacy breach is very disturbing.

[...]

To the folks manning our doattend page,

Are the registrations fields something we set up ourselves or something
that doattend requires for all tickets bought using a credit card? If
it's the former, we can probably do something about it. If the latter,
short of moving away from doattend, I'm not sure what else we can do.




-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From navanitachora at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 09:25:58 2013
From: navanitachora at gmail.com (Nandakumar Chandrasekhar)
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 12:55:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Career Opportunity: Python+Django Developer
Message-ID: <51AEE806.2090208@gmail.com>

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offices in Bangalore, India and Atlanta, GA in the United States.

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================

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3. Proficient in Python and the Django Web Framework.
4. Proficient in Front-end technologies such as HTML, CSS,
JavaScript/jQuery and AJAX.
5. Experience working with a versioning system, Git is preferred.
6. Experience using a Linux/UNIX-based operating system and deploying Web
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8. Good communication skills.

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==============
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2. Experience in the MVC design pattern.
3. Experience in writing PostgreSQL stored procedures.
4. Experience using the Eclipse IDE for development.
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From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 09:28:16 2013
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 12:58:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
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On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>wrote:

> ?????? <svaksha at gmail.com> writes:
>
> > On 6/5/13, satyaakam goswami <satyaakam at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> just curious how did you manage registering last year ? , i recall you
> >
> > The same way as i did this year, I did not provide my real home
> > address. The fact that the transaction went through with the wrong
> > address is proof enough that the bank (which has my real details) does
> > not provide access to the personal details of its client-base to
> > third-party vendors. This means DoAttend is faking it to collect
> > personal details of all those who register through their website, that
> > they are not upfront about this privacy breach is very disturbing.
>
> [...]
>
> To the folks manning our doattend page,
>
> Are the registrations fields something we set up ourselves or something
> that doattend requires for all tickets bought using a credit card? If
> it's the former, we can probably do something about it. If the latter,
> short of moving away from doattend, I'm not sure what else we can do.
>

That is something doattend requires. They are in our control.

Anand

From me at bibhas.in  Wed Jun  5 09:30:57 2013
From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas Ch Debnath)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:00:57 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
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>From what I know, any payment gateway requires the billing address to to
process the payment. Without the billing address field, the payment gateway
wont process. That essentially means that the payment gateways allow the
site we're paying to, to collect our information. This helps in case of any
disputes. Whether they validate it real time, that I don't know. But it's
the standard process. If you're paying someone money, you need to make your
identity clear.


----
Bibhas
http://bibhas.in


On 5 June 2013 12:54, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote:

> ?????? <svaksha at gmail.com> writes:
>
> > On 6/5/13, satyaakam goswami <satyaakam at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> just curious how did you manage registering last year ? , i recall you
> >
> > The same way as i did this year, I did not provide my real home
> > address. The fact that the transaction went through with the wrong
> > address is proof enough that the bank (which has my real details) does
> > not provide access to the personal details of its client-base to
> > third-party vendors. This means DoAttend is faking it to collect
> > personal details of all those who register through their website, that
> > they are not upfront about this privacy breach is very disturbing.
>
> [...]
>
> To the folks manning our doattend page,
>
> Are the registrations fields something we set up ourselves or something
> that doattend requires for all tickets bought using a credit card? If
> it's the former, we can probably do something about it. If the latter,
> short of moving away from doattend, I'm not sure what else we can do.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Cordially,
> Noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 09:50:41 2013
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:20:41 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
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On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:29 PM, ?????? <svaksha at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 6/5/13, vijay <vnbang2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >  Hi,
> >      Registrations are open for PyCon India 2013.
> >        http://pyconindia2013.doattend.com/
> >    Please spread the word and book your early-bird tickets.
>
> I just booked my early-bird ticket and after the payment went through
> DoAttend flagged my transaction because I did not want to provide my
> personal details like my home address to a third-party website like
> doattend.
> I would like to know why DoAttend insists on people wanting to pay
> them money to provide them irrelevant personal details - their email
> AFTER THE card payment WENT THROUGH, claims there is a "minor mismatch
> between the billing address you entered and the one registered against
> your chosen mode of payment" - fwiw, they use ebs.in as the payment
> gateway which after taking your card details redirects you to your
> bank's secure website, where the entire transaction actually occurs.
> Hence, I highly doubt if my bank will give access to external sites
> like Doattend within their online transaction system - if they do, it
> just increases the security risk in my personal opinion. OTOH, If my
> bank is giving access to my personal details to third-party websites
> or even payment gateway providers, I would like to take up this
> privacy breach with them.
> PS: For those who care, the bank sends you a OTP which you can then
> use to validate the transaction just for that instance <-- which is
> how it should be.


Address verification is simply a standard mechanism of managing fiscal
fraud risk.
While I cannot opine on specifics of either doattend or their payment
gateway, I know
for a fact some payment gateways (non-indian) will charge different
amounts based
on whether the vendor attempted an address verification and may choose
to flag off
minor address mismatches or may just entirely reject the transaction
in case of major
mismatches.

I think the financial institutions are entirely within their rights to
ask for such data
which could make doattend require such information from you. It is not
"necessarily"
about doattend wanting to know your details. There does remain a
possibility that the
payment gateway/financial institution wants to manage risk by having that much
additional check you are indeed who you are claiming to be.

Having said that, no, I do not know the specifics of how doattend
works or the exact
nature of payment gateway data interchange in India.

From svaksha at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 09:51:11 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktw==?=)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:21:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
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On 6/5/13, Bibhas Ch Debnath <me at bibhas.in> wrote:
> From what I know, any payment gateway requires the billing address to to
> process the payment. Without the billing address field, the payment gateway
> wont process.

Wrong, on both counts and here is why:
One, the billing address is required if they are shipping something
physical to you - on such sites, they have a separate page to collect
the shipping address (and your address which can be different from the
shipping address is separately listed) <-- Do note that this is vastly
different from the information DoAttend mandates -  specifically
asking for the address registered with your bank <-- That is a privacy
and security breach imho. Additionally, they fraudulently claim that
they cross-verify it with the bank. Again, it is not true, because
both my transactions (last year and this) went through. This means
they were PAID by my bank and my bank did not allow them access to my
personal details. (read, they are lying about the ability to access my
bank records. So now they need to answer why and what are they doing
with the address collected in this manner.)

Second, ebs.in which is the payment gateway used by DoAttend does NOT
ask for this information. Its only the DoAttend site that insists on
this information. If you dont provide this information it does not
proceed to the ebs.in site - Try the payment by credit card again and
you will know what I mean.


> That essentially means that the payment gateways allow the
> site we're paying to, to collect our information.

Again, you are mixing up the issue - the ebs.in site (the payment
gateway) does NOT ask for your bank address, DoAttend (the online
service provider) does. There is a difference.

-- 
svaksha ? http://svaksha.com ?

From vinayakh at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 10:00:02 2013
From: vinayakh at gmail.com (Vinayak Hegde)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:30:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
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On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at nibrahim.net.in
> >wrote:
>
> > ?????? <svaksha at gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > > On 6/5/13, satyaakam goswami <satyaakam at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> just curious how did you manage registering last year ? , i recall you
> > >
> > > The same way as i did this year, I did not provide my real home
> > > address. The fact that the transaction went through with the wrong
> > > address is proof enough that the bank (which has my real details) does
> > > not provide access to the personal details of its client-base to
> > > third-party vendors. This means DoAttend is faking it to collect
> > > personal details of all those who register through their website, that
> > > they are not upfront about this privacy breach is very disturbing.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > To the folks manning our doattend page,
> >
> > Are the registrations fields something we set up ourselves or something
> > that doattend requires for all tickets bought using a credit card? If
> > it's the former, we can probably do something about it. If the latter,
> > short of moving away from doattend, I'm not sure what else we can do.
> >
>
> That is something doattend requires. They are in our control.


Is it something that we can talk to them ? I also got this irritating
notice. I have bought stuff from multiple vendors online but this is
something new I am seeing - The notice is reproduced below. They have
debited my account but not sent me the tickets. That is definitely not done.

"Your transaction is complete, but as a precautionary measure, has been
flagged for manual verification of your billing details. Please respond to
the email you would have received and your eTicket(s) will be delivered to
your email ID within 48 hours. For any clarifications, please contact the
DoAttend team at +914442070176 or support at doattend.com"

Regards
Vinayak

From me at bibhas.in  Wed Jun  5 10:04:39 2013
From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas Ch Debnath)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:34:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
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Just check the EBS integration guide, they require the merchant to send the
billing address of the customer. They require merchant to collect it so
that they don't have to. I don't think DoAttend can do anything in this
case.


----
Bibhas
http://bibhas.in


On 5 June 2013 13:30, Vinayak Hegde <vinayakh at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at nibrahim.net.in
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > ?????? <svaksha at gmail.com> writes:
> > >
> > > > On 6/5/13, satyaakam goswami <satyaakam at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> just curious how did you manage registering last year ? , i recall
> you
> > > >
> > > > The same way as i did this year, I did not provide my real home
> > > > address. The fact that the transaction went through with the wrong
> > > > address is proof enough that the bank (which has my real details)
> does
> > > > not provide access to the personal details of its client-base to
> > > > third-party vendors. This means DoAttend is faking it to collect
> > > > personal details of all those who register through their website,
> that
> > > > they are not upfront about this privacy breach is very disturbing.
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > To the folks manning our doattend page,
> > >
> > > Are the registrations fields something we set up ourselves or something
> > > that doattend requires for all tickets bought using a credit card? If
> > > it's the former, we can probably do something about it. If the latter,
> > > short of moving away from doattend, I'm not sure what else we can do.
> > >
> >
> > That is something doattend requires. They are in our control.
>
>
> Is it something that we can talk to them ? I also got this irritating
> notice. I have bought stuff from multiple vendors online but this is
> something new I am seeing - The notice is reproduced below. They have
> debited my account but not sent me the tickets. That is definitely not
> done.
>
> "Your transaction is complete, but as a precautionary measure, has been
> flagged for manual verification of your billing details. Please respond to
> the email you would have received and your eTicket(s) will be delivered to
> your email ID within 48 hours. For any clarifications, please contact the
> DoAttend team at +914442070176 or support at doattend.com"
>
> Regards
> Vinayak
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Wed Jun  5 10:07:16 2013
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2013 13:37:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
In-Reply-To: <CAD2aR4PupF2v8704a-7CnpEfT5fhqjw4FR09OhW+BH5EsyY0TQ@mail.gmail.com>
	(Dhananjay Nene's message of "Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:20:41 +0530")
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Dhananjay Nene <dhananjay.nene at gmail.com> writes:


[...]

> Address verification is simply a standard mechanism of managing fiscal
> fraud risk.  While I cannot opine on specifics of either doattend or
> their payment gateway, I know for a fact some payment gateways
> (non-indian) will charge different amounts based on whether the vendor
> attempted an address verification and may choose to flag off minor
> address mismatches or may just entirely reject the transaction in case
> of major mismatches.
>
> I think the financial institutions are entirely within their rights to
> ask for such data which could make doattend require such information
> from you. It is not "necessarily" about doattend wanting to know your
> details. There does remain a possibility that the payment
> gateway/financial institution wants to manage risk by having that much
> additional check you are indeed who you are claiming to be.
>
> Having said that, no, I do not know the specifics of how doattend
> works or the exact nature of payment gateway data interchange in
> India.

[...]

In any case, I'm not sure what we can do. 

We've been using doattend for a few years now and it's been mostly
reliable. Moving to something else would require volunteers to set
things up and migrate the existing registrations to the new site. Time
and people, like always, are at a premium.

If there a significant number of registrants who have this problem,
we'll have to do something. If it's low enough, we'll have to make
offline payments or something else available to people who want it and
deal with it in that way.

I'm not sure talking to doattend or things like that are going to get
us, as an entity trying to organise a conference, anywhere useful.






-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From svaksha at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 10:08:37 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktw==?=)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:38:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
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On 6/5/13, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Noufal Ibrahim
>> To the folks manning our doattend page,
>>
>> Are the registrations fields something we set up ourselves or something
>> that doattend requires for all tickets bought using a credit card? If
>> it's the former, we can probably do something about it. If the latter,
>> short of moving away from doattend, I'm not sure what else we can do.
>>
>
> That is something doattend requires. They are in our control.

Anand, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by the above statement
("they are in our control") - Do you mean DoAttend mandate this
information, OR, is the form setup by IN-PyCon?
The "*" indicates mandatory fields (there are a lot of those on that
form) which are not-optional on the registration form for payment. Who
is asking for that information and why? Note, the form insists on me
providing the ADDRESS REGISTERED WITH MY BANK <-- why does  DoAttend
(or InPycon if you are in control) need my banking address details?
That is a privacy and security issue.

-- 
svaksha ? http://svaksha.com ?

From vinayakh at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 10:09:05 2013
From: vinayakh at gmail.com (Vinayak Hegde)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:39:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
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On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Bibhas Ch Debnath <me at bibhas.in> wrote:

> Just check the EBS integration guide, they require the merchant to send the
> billing address of the customer. They require merchant to collect it so
> that they don't have to. I don't think DoAttend can do anything in this
> case.
>

Fine. But if you debit my account, why I can't I get the tickets
immediately ? Why put me on hold and ask me to send/reply emails to
doattend. At best it is bad UX at worst it is malicious. Imagine when you
are close to the event and out-of-station. You will not be sure if you are
going to the event as you will not get a confirmation for 48 hours.

Regards
Vinayak

From me at bibhas.in  Wed Jun  5 10:13:25 2013
From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas Ch Debnath)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:43:25 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
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@Vinayak,
I guess they detected something fishy about your transaction. No idea what.
Because I just registered and got the ticket immediately.


----
Bibhas
http://bibhas.in


On 5 June 2013 13:39, Vinayak Hegde <vinayakh at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Bibhas Ch Debnath <me at bibhas.in> wrote:
>
> > Just check the EBS integration guide, they require the merchant to send
> the
> > billing address of the customer. They require merchant to collect it so
> > that they don't have to. I don't think DoAttend can do anything in this
> > case.
> >
>
> Fine. But if you debit my account, why I can't I get the tickets
> immediately ? Why put me on hold and ask me to send/reply emails to
> doattend. At best it is bad UX at worst it is malicious. Imagine when you
> are close to the event and out-of-station. You will not be sure if you are
> going to the event as you will not get a confirmation for 48 hours.
>
> Regards
> Vinayak
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 10:17:42 2013
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:47:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
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On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 1:38 PM, ?????? <svaksha at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 6/5/13, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Noufal Ibrahim
> >> To the folks manning our doattend page,
> >>
> >> Are the registrations fields something we set up ourselves or something
> >> that doattend requires for all tickets bought using a credit card? If
> >> it's the former, we can probably do something about it. If the latter,
> >> short of moving away from doattend, I'm not sure what else we can do.
> >>
> >
> > That is something doattend requires. They are in our control.
>
> Anand, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by the above statement
> ("they are in our control") - Do you mean DoAttend mandate this
> information, OR, is the form setup by IN-PyCon?
> The "*" indicates mandatory fields (there are a lot of those on that
> form) which are not-optional on the registration form for payment. Who
> is asking for that information and why? Note, the form insists on me
> providing the ADDRESS REGISTERED WITH MY BANK <-- why does  DoAttend
> (or InPycon if you are in control) need my banking address details?
> That is a privacy and security issue.
>

Sorry, I wanted to say "That is not in our control".

Anand

From svaksha at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 10:23:44 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktw==?=)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:53:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
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On 6/5/13, Vinayak Hegde <vinayakh at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Bibhas Ch Debnath <me at bibhas.in> wrote:
>
>> Just check the EBS integration guide, they require the merchant to send
>> the
>> billing address of the customer. They require merchant to collect it so
>> that they don't have to. I don't think DoAttend can do anything in this
>> case.

In that case, the transaction should have failed when the registrant
provides a fake address - it DID NOT. That only means one thing - both
DoAttend and ebs.in (their payment gateway provider) DONT have any
access to your bank details. At best, they are fraudulently collecting
important private details <-- For what? Remember, they already have
your name, email id, phone number, bank address and the most important
Credit card details along with the CCV number and the expiry details.
All this information with a third-party vendor should make you nervous
about online fraud.


> Fine. But if you debit my account, why I can't I get the tickets
> immediately ? Why put me on hold and ask me to send/reply emails to
> doattend. At best it is bad UX at worst it is malicious.

I agree with the "malicious" bit - Not giving me what I paid for AFTER
you have been paid by my bank definitely falls under that category.
Their intent is suspect.

-- 
svaksha ? http://svaksha.com ?

From svaksha at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 10:28:38 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktw==?=)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 13:58:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
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On 6/5/13, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry, I wanted to say "That is not in our control".

Thanks for clarifying Anand. What do you suggest is the next option?
Please note that they have been PAID by my bank so they have no right
to deny me my ticket.
Fwiw, I am not willing to provide third-party vendors with my banking
address or other personal details which can be misused very easily.

Thanks,
-- 
svaksha ? http://svaksha.com ?

From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 10:33:23 2013
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 14:03:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
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On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 1:58 PM, ?????? <svaksha at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 6/5/13, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, I wanted to say "That is not in our control".
>
> Thanks for clarifying Anand. What do you suggest is the next option?
> Please note that they have been PAID by my bank so they have no right
> to deny me my ticket.
> Fwiw, I am not willing to provide third-party vendors with my banking
> address or other personal details which can be misused very easily.
>

I wrote to doattend support. Lets wait to hear what they say.

Anand

From svaksha at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 10:34:00 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktw==?=)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 14:04:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
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On 6/5/13, Dhananjay Nene <dhananjay.nene at gmail.com> wrote:
> Address verification is simply a standard mechanism of managing fiscal
> fraud risk.
> While I cannot opine on specifics of either doattend or their payment
> gateway, I know
> for a fact some payment gateways (non-indian) will charge different
> amounts based
> on whether the vendor attempted an address verification and may choose
> to flag off
> minor address mismatches or may just entirely reject the transaction
> in case of major
> mismatches.

In that case, my transaction should have failed or rejected by the
bank. IT DID NOT. I've raised this point in earlier replies.
In this case, it is not managing fraud risk - its about them
collecting a bunch of personal data that is registered with your bank,
which can be misused. That scares me. YMMV.

-- 
svaksha ? http://svaksha.com ?

From me at bibhas.in  Wed Jun  5 10:35:49 2013
From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas Ch Debnath)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 14:05:49 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
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On 5 June 2013 13:53, ?????? <svaksha at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 6/5/13, Vinayak Hegde <vinayakh at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Bibhas Ch Debnath <me at bibhas.in> wrote:
> >
> >> Just check the EBS integration guide, they require the merchant to send
> >> the
> >> billing address of the customer. They require merchant to collect it so
> >> that they don't have to. I don't think DoAttend can do anything in this
> >> case.
>
> In that case, the transaction should have failed when the registrant
> provides a fake address - it DID NOT. That only means one thing - both
> DoAttend and ebs.in (their payment gateway provider) DONT have any
> access to your bank details.


No it doesn't mean that. It means that they are not validating it right
away.??


> At best, they are fraudulently collecting
> important private details <-- For what? Remember, they already have
> your name, email id, phone number, bank address and the most important
> Credit card details along with the CCV number and the expiry details.
> All this information with a third-party vendor should make you nervous
> about online fraud.
>

I'm not saying that there isn't any gap. I'm saying here are the reasons
they can show you. Let's wait for their response and see what they say.


>
> > Fine. But if you debit my account, why I can't I get the tickets
> > immediately ? Why put me on hold and ask me to send/reply emails to
> > doattend. At best it is bad UX at worst it is malicious.
>
> I agree with the "malicious" bit - Not giving me what I paid for AFTER
> you have been paid by my bank definitely falls under that category.
> Their intent is suspect.
>
> --
> svaksha ? http://svaksha.com ?
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 10:36:16 2013
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 14:06:16 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
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On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 1:58 PM, ?????? <svaksha at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 6/5/13, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, I wanted to say "That is not in our control".
>
> Thanks for clarifying Anand. What do you suggest is the next option?
> Please note that they have been PAID by my bank so they have no right
> to deny me my ticket.
> Fwiw, I am not willing to provide third-party vendors with my banking
> address or other personal details which can be misused very easily.
>

I wrote to doattend support. Lets wait to hear what they say.

Anand

From svaksha at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 11:34:40 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktw==?=)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 15:04:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
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On 6/5/13, Bibhas Ch Debnath <me at bibhas.in> wrote:
> On 5 June 2013 13:53, ?????? <svaksha at gmail.com> wrote:
>> In that case, the transaction should have failed when the registrant
>> provides a fake address - it DID NOT. That only means one thing - both
>> DoAttend and ebs.in (their payment gateway provider) DONT have any
>> access to your bank details.
>
>
> No it doesn't mean that. It means that they are not validating it right
> away.??

How do you know that? Do you know what information your bank is
allowed to share with TPV's?

I am waiting to hear what DoAttend has to say about it but just FYI,
in most banks, the credit card process is separated from its
core-banking (read its  outsourced) and you have to validate your
address and other personal details separately <-- That they dont allow
their core-banking details to be accessed by their own CC department,
which should tell you how important security and privacy are. If you
still dont get why privacy and security are important, I dont know
what else to say.


>> At best, they are fraudulently collecting
>> important private details <-- For what? Remember, they already have
>> your name, email id, phone number, bank address and the most important
>> Credit card details along with the CCV number and the expiry details.
>> All this information with a third-party vendor should make you nervous
>> about online fraud.
>>
>
> I'm not saying that there isn't any gap. I'm saying here are the reasons
> they can show you. Let's wait for their response and see what they say.

What reasons? Please dont justifying TPV's and service providers
phishing for bank details of people who register through their
website. That is just not acceptable.

I wont speculate on the how, but with all the personal information
they have, the potential for fraud is high and that makes me nervous.
I'll stop here. I am definitely waiting for their response on this.

-- 
svaksha ? http://svaksha.com ?

From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 15:04:55 2013
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 18:34:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
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> I wrote to doattend support. Lets wait to hear what they say.
>

Here is the reply I got from doattend support.

Thanks for using DoAttend to sell PyConIndia 2013. I guess for last year
also, you were using DoAttend. We are excited to partner with you again and
will make sure that you get the best support possible :-)

Some online payments could become "Flagged" for manual risk verification at
our gateway. We have a standard process here to handle them. DoAttend would
have sent an email asking for billing address verification in such cases.
Please ask the buyers to reply to it. Within 48 hours, their tickets will
be delivered to their inbox.

We ask for billing address in our registration forms. Payment gateways
require us to send it to them to complete payments. We dont store that
information anywhere in our servers. Also if you can see, our registration
workflow is completely 'https' enabled. which means, its very secure to
enter information at DoAttend.

Do let me know if you have any further clarifications. We will respond to
you as soon as possible.
---

Summary:

* Doattend does not store the billing information
* Payments are flagged by the payment gateway and doattend handles them
manually

Anand

From me at bibhas.in  Wed Jun  5 15:14:12 2013
From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas Ch Debnath)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 18:44:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
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Like I said. Payment Gateway integration requires it. Without it, they
can't proceed.


----
Bibhas
http://bibhas.in


On 5 June 2013 18:34, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:

> > I wrote to doattend support. Lets wait to hear what they say.
> >
>
> Here is the reply I got from doattend support.
>
> Thanks for using DoAttend to sell PyConIndia 2013. I guess for last year
> also, you were using DoAttend. We are excited to partner with you again and
> will make sure that you get the best support possible :-)
>
> Some online payments could become "Flagged" for manual risk verification at
> our gateway. We have a standard process here to handle them. DoAttend would
> have sent an email asking for billing address verification in such cases.
> Please ask the buyers to reply to it. Within 48 hours, their tickets will
> be delivered to their inbox.
>
> We ask for billing address in our registration forms. Payment gateways
> require us to send it to them to complete payments. We dont store that
> information anywhere in our servers. Also if you can see, our registration
> workflow is completely 'https' enabled. which means, its very secure to
> enter information at DoAttend.
>
> Do let me know if you have any further clarifications. We will respond to
> you as soon as possible.
> ---
>
> Summary:
>
> * Doattend does not store the billing information
> * Payments are flagged by the payment gateway and doattend handles them
> manually
>
> Anand
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From davidanderson2374 at outlook.com  Wed Jun  5 13:34:11 2013
From: davidanderson2374 at outlook.com (David Anderson)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 16:04:11 +0430
Subject: [BangPypers] Itueta - Lista dos aprovados concurso
Message-ID: <137044822125d563b875c695595c0728e3645b8fea@outlook.com>

Itueta  ALESSANDRA DE SIQUEIRA ALVES, KELVIA MAYARA CISNE DOS SANTOS, FELIPE CUNHA FALCAO, NAJELA MARIA GOMES DE MATTOS COELHO ALENCAR, JO?O CARLOS MOREIRA DE CARVALHO, CICERO ROBERT BEZERRA ANASTACIO, MARCOS BARROS REIS, IRENE COSTA OLIVEIRA BEZERRA. ROSIMERI CORDEIRO DOS SANTOS, EDVANIA DE JESUS GOMES, MARTHEUS CARLOS DE FREITAS, JOSE MACIANO ALEXANDRINO SILVA, VANESSA GADELHA DOS SANTOS.  Palmin?polis.

Penaforte ALINE C?NDIDA RAMOS FERNANDES TORRES, LADJANE BEZERRA CORDEIRO DA SILVA, FELIPE JARDEL SANTANA LIMA, NATALIA RODRIGUES DE OLIVEIRA, JO?O CARLOS MOREIRA DE CARVALHO, CLA?DIA MARIA DO AMARAL, MARIA APARECIDA AMORIM DA SILVA, ISABEL NOBRE FEITOZA. ROZILDA BEZERRA DE SIQUEIRA, ELDER BATISTA DA SILVA, MATEUS FERNANDES FARIAS, JOSE ROBERTO FRAGA BARROS, VICTOR REGIS DE ANDRADE MOREIRA. Caarap?.

Casa Grande AMANDA FARIAS TELES, LEONARDO LICARIAO DE MELLO MENEZES, FRANCISCO AGEU DE SOUSA NOBREGA, PAMELA NOBREGA MENEZES, JO?O CARLOS MOREIRA DE CARVALHO, CLYCIA MONTEIRO FERREIRA, MARIA DE LOURDES FERREIRA BRITO, IZALANA PEREIRA NEPOMUCENO. SARA MARIA BEZERRA DOS SANTOS, ERALDO FREITA DA SILVA, MAYKSON CALISTA DE MELO, JOZENILDA BATISTA GOMES, WELIDA WENDY ARAUJO DA SILVA. Caarap?.



From svaksha at gmail.com  Thu Jun  6 07:26:03 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktw==?=)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 10:56:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
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On 6/5/13, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
> Here is the reply I got from doattend support.
>
> Thanks for using DoAttend to sell PyConIndia 2013. I guess for last year
> also, you were using DoAttend. We are excited to partner with you again and
> will make sure that you get the best support possible :-)
>
> Some online payments could become "Flagged" for manual risk verification at
> our gateway. We have a standard process here to handle them. DoAttend would
> have sent an email asking for billing address verification in such cases.
> Please ask the buyers to reply to it. Within 48 hours, their tickets will
> be delivered to their inbox.

Fwiw, they sent the e-ticket last night without me replying to their mail.

> We ask for billing address in our registration forms. Payment gateways
> require us to send it to them to complete payments. We dont store that
> information anywhere in our servers. Also if you can see, our registration
> workflow is completely 'https' enabled. which means, its very secure to
> enter information at DoAttend.

Classic corporate-speak that conveniently side steps the uncomfortable
questions I raised - If the payment gateway required that information
their site UI form would have asked for it but EBS.in didnt ask for it
- the information collection was on the DoAttend site. When payment
gateway providers require your details for verification from the bank
server, they will ask for it on THEIR site (think Paypal) and even the
smallest difference in the details will cause the transaction to fail
<-- Been there, done that.

To cross-check, I asked my bank's relationship manager who clarified
that rules prohibit them from sharing their customer/client data.
Later, I asked another friend who works in the banking security
industry who also corroborated what I had said in my earlier mails -
my transaction would have definitely FAILED if they had access to the
bank records for verification. It did NOT, so DoAttend has no right to
take my money and then refuse to give me the ticket I just paid for.
That is unethical and unprofessional.

Despite their corporate-speak, they are also aware that there is no
way anyone can tell what they do with our personal information. Many
companies claim not to sell this data but have you ever wondered how
one is spammed each day by email and tele marketers?

I dont wish to cycle through this discussion next year (if you use
DoAttend) nor want the headache of dealing with a company that takes
my money but refuses to give me the ticket I paid for. It would be
nicer if Pycon-IN could provide their bank account details as an
alternative way to transfer the money. With net-banking it would not
be very hard to track such transactions online.

Thanks,
-- 
svaksha ? http://svaksha.com ?

From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Thu Jun  6 07:50:19 2013
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2013 11:20:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
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?????? <svaksha at gmail.com> writes:

> On 6/5/13, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Here is the reply I got from doattend support.
>>
>> Thanks for using DoAttend to sell PyConIndia 2013. I guess for last year
>> also, you were using DoAttend. We are excited to partner with you again and
>> will make sure that you get the best support possible :-)
>>
>> Some online payments could become "Flagged" for manual risk verification at
>> our gateway. We have a standard process here to handle them. DoAttend would
>> have sent an email asking for billing address verification in such cases.
>> Please ask the buyers to reply to it. Within 48 hours, their tickets will
>> be delivered to their inbox.
>
> Fwiw, they sent the e-ticket last night without me replying to their
> mail.

I presume the matter wrapped up then as far the conference is concerned?


[...]


-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com  Thu Jun  6 09:50:14 2013
From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 13:20:14 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
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On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:56 AM, ?????? <svaksha at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 6/5/13, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Here is the reply I got from doattend support.
>>
>> Thanks for using DoAttend to sell PyConIndia 2013. I guess for last year
>> also, you were using DoAttend. We are excited to partner with you again and
>> will make sure that you get the best support possible :-)
>>
>> Some online payments could become "Flagged" for manual risk verification at
>> our gateway. We have a standard process here to handle them. DoAttend would
>> have sent an email asking for billing address verification in such cases.
>> Please ask the buyers to reply to it. Within 48 hours, their tickets will
>> be delivered to their inbox.
>
> Fwiw, they sent the e-ticket last night without me replying to their mail.
>
>> We ask for billing address in our registration forms. Payment gateways
>> require us to send it to them to complete payments. We dont store that
>> information anywhere in our servers. Also if you can see, our registration
>> workflow is completely 'https' enabled. which means, its very secure to
>> enter information at DoAttend.
>
> Classic corporate-speak that conveniently side steps the uncomfortable
> questions I raised - If the payment gateway required that information
> their site UI form would have asked for it but EBS.in didnt ask for it
> - the information collection was on the DoAttend site. When payment
> gateway providers require your details for verification from the bank
> server, they will ask for it on THEIR site (think Paypal) and even the
> smallest difference in the details will cause the transaction to fail
> <-- Been there, done that.
>
> To cross-check, I asked my bank's relationship manager who clarified
> that rules prohibit them from sharing their customer/client data.
> Later, I asked another friend who works in the banking security
> industry who also corroborated what I had said in my earlier mails -
> my transaction would have definitely FAILED if they had access to the
> bank records for verification. It did NOT, so DoAttend has no right to
> take my money and then refuse to give me the ticket I just paid for.
> That is unethical and unprofessional.
>

There are quite a few alternative explanations which you have not
accounted for. For example I had stated that payment gateways can
charge differently based on the extent of verification requested. And
no banks do not share data with third party sites, but payment
gateways can send the data to an AVS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_Verification_System for
verification without the bank actually having to share private data.
There's a bunch of other stuff like regulatory requirements allowing
for certain leeway in selecting one out of multiple possible ways of
verification (eg. look at how different banks implement the same RBI
regulations for additional authentication differently - I had read
AmEx does address verification, know HDFC requires you to enter a
password or birthdate/email data, I think Citi handles it differently
based on a PIN (hearsay)).

I am not suggesting that the concerns you raise are inappropriate. I
am however suggesting that you are reaching conclusions that to me
sound only one of a universe of possibilities.

> Despite their corporate-speak, they are also aware that there is no
> way anyone can tell what they do with our personal information. Many
> companies claim not to sell this data but have you ever wondered how
> one is spammed each day by email and tele marketers?

Yes I have. But I also wonder if there were no additional verification
systems in place, how much easier it would be to commit card based
fraud. And of course then there is the big "R" word - regulatory
requirements (there's a ton of that stuff behind the scenes).

All I am saying is don't attribute to malice what could be explained
by a set of inconvenient choices someone made along the way. They
might just be perfectly justifiable.

From svaksha at gmail.com  Thu Jun  6 21:09:19 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktw==?=)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 00:39:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
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On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Dhananjay Nene <dhananjay.nene at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There are quite a few alternative explanations which you have not
> accounted for. For example I had stated that payment gateways can
> charge differently based on the extent of verification requested. And
> no banks do not share data with third party sites, but payment
> gateways can send the data to an AVS
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_Verification_System for
> verification without the bank actually having to share private data.
> There's a bunch of other stuff like regulatory requirements allowing
> for certain leeway in selecting one out of multiple possible ways of
> verification (eg. look at how different banks implement the same RBI
> regulations for additional authentication differently - I had read
> AmEx does address verification, know HDFC requires you to enter a
> password or birthdate/email data, I think Citi handles it differently
> based on a PIN (hearsay)).

No offence, but I dont wish to stretch this conversation nor speculate
on how individual banks operate. I had to bring this up publicly only
because DoAttend withheld my ticket AFTER they got the payment. Not
acceptable.  So, I'll end with _repeating_ an important point that is
being ignored - if there was any real-time verification being done my
transaction would have definitely failed, and I clarified this from my
bank and from others working in the banking industry.
-- 
svaksha ? http://svaksha.com ?

From svaksha at gmail.com  Thu Jun  6 21:10:43 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktw==?=)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 00:40:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
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On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote:
> ?????? <svaksha at gmail.com> writes:
>
> I presume the matter wrapped up then as far the conference is concerned?

..and I do presume that you are not objecting to me raising an
important issue (of having paid for my ticket but withheld by
DoAttend) here?

-- 
svaksha ? http://svaksha.com ?

From me at bibhas.in  Fri Jun  7 10:06:00 2013
From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas Ch Debnath)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 13:36:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
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@svaksha I've already explained at least twice how your deduction is wrong.
Please read them again.

And if DoAttend withheld your ticket, they must had a reason. Can you
please tell them directly that you have problem with it? And let us know
what they said. Talking about why they did it, here, is kind of useless.
Because the event organizers don't run DoAttend.
 On Jun 7, 2013 12:41 AM, "??????" <svaksha at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>
> wrote:
> > ?????? <svaksha at gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > I presume the matter wrapped up then as far the conference is concerned?
>
> ..and I do presume that you are not objecting to me raising an
> important issue (of having paid for my ticket but withheld by
> DoAttend) here?
>
> --
> svaksha ? http://svaksha.com ?
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Fri Jun  7 11:26:59 2013
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 14:56:59 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] Registrations are open
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Bibhas Ch Debnath <me at bibhas.in> writes:

> @svaksha I've already explained at least twice how your deduction is
> wrong.  Please read them again.
>
> And if DoAttend withheld your ticket, they must had a reason. Can you
> please tell them directly that you have problem with it? And let us
> know what they said. Talking about why they did it, here, is kind of
> useless.  Because the event organizers don't run DoAttend.

Let's stop this thread. There's nothing more to be gained from
discussing it here.


[...]


-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From kracethekingmaker at gmail.com  Sat Jun  8 16:34:59 2013
From: kracethekingmaker at gmail.com (kracekumar ramaraju)
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 20:04:59 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] June bangpypers meetup
Message-ID: <CAO5c=mnM=-nqDGiHTOv59nMngJDA+m2o6kFUe23zyN=S81G0=A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

 June meetup scheduled on 15-06-2013 from 3.00PM to 6.00PM in InMobi office
in EGL. http://www.meetup.com/BangPypers/events/123604902/.

Please come forward to propose a talk or flash talk.

-- 
*
Thanks & Regards

"Talk is cheap, show me the code" -- Linus Torvalds
kracekumar
www.kracekumar.com
*

From amit.pureenergy at gmail.com  Mon Jun 10 18:45:40 2013
From: amit.pureenergy at gmail.com (Amit Sethi)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 22:15:40 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Deploying with mod_wsgi and file locking
Message-ID: <CAN+DPADpFCqAAJo5fw+84rVuM20iZnpxP+VD7dm-7Rb96bfhKA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All , I am writing a pyramid app and deploying it mod_wsgi . The file
regularly writes  into a file in the  file system . This process of writing
xml is in a middleware . Now the question is do I need to apply a file
locking mechanism to make sure that multiple requests do not try to write
to the same file . If yes what is the best way to implement a file locking
mechanism in python.


-- 
A-M-I-T S|S

From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Mon Jun 10 19:16:45 2013
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 22:46:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Deploying with mod_wsgi and file locking
In-Reply-To: <CAN+DPADpFCqAAJo5fw+84rVuM20iZnpxP+VD7dm-7Rb96bfhKA@mail.gmail.com>
	(Amit Sethi's message of "Mon, 10 Jun 2013 22:15:40 +0530")
References: <CAN+DPADpFCqAAJo5fw+84rVuM20iZnpxP+VD7dm-7Rb96bfhKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87ehc9zy0y.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>

Amit Sethi <amit.pureenergy at gmail.com> writes:

> Hi All , I am writing a pyramid app and deploying it mod_wsgi . The
> file regularly writes into a file in the file system . This process of
> writing xml is in a middleware . Now the question is do I need to
> apply a file locking mechanism to make sure that multiple requests do
> not try to write to the same file . If yes what is the best way to
> implement a file locking mechanism in python.

This is going to get problematic. My first thought is to offload the
writing to a separate process which maintains a queue of such requests
and only that will write to the file. You won't have any issues
then. This might be impractical if the file needs to be updated in real
time in which case, a file is not the right way to go. You should use a
database table or something and then run some periodic process that
updates the file. 

If both of these don't work, then
http://docs.python.org/2/library/fcntl.html#fcntl.lockf exists to lock
files but I think it will really mess up the performance of your app.

-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From anandology at gmail.com  Mon Jun 10 19:23:03 2013
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 22:53:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Deploying with mod_wsgi and file locking
In-Reply-To: <87ehc9zy0y.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
References: <CAN+DPADpFCqAAJo5fw+84rVuM20iZnpxP+VD7dm-7Rb96bfhKA@mail.gmail.com>
	<87ehc9zy0y.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
Message-ID: <CAC7wXFyMbo=NTS-d0fCf75vV+SzdUgVdE0UWGNdkMDwr4EXPWA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>wrote:

> Amit Sethi <amit.pureenergy at gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Hi All , I am writing a pyramid app and deploying it mod_wsgi . The
> > file regularly writes into a file in the file system . This process of
> > writing xml is in a middleware . Now the question is do I need to
> > apply a file locking mechanism to make sure that multiple requests do
> > not try to write to the same file . If yes what is the best way to
> > implement a file locking mechanism in python.
>
> This is going to get problematic. My first thought is to offload the
> writing to a separate process which maintains a queue of such requests
> and only that will write to the file. You won't have any issues
> then. This might be impractical if the file needs to be updated in real
> time in which case, a file is not the right way to go. You should use a
> database table or something and then run some periodic process that
> updates the file.
>
> If both of these don't work, then
> http://docs.python.org/2/library/fcntl.html#fcntl.lockf exists to lock
> files but I think it will really mess up the performance of your app.
>

Why not just write to database with a timestamp and run a cron job to
periodically move the recent entries from database to file that want?

That reduces the number of moving parts drastically and easy to manage.

Anand

From kracethekingmaker at gmail.com  Tue Jun 11 10:39:05 2013
From: kracethekingmaker at gmail.com (kracekumar ramaraju)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 14:09:05 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Talks at local user group meeting
Message-ID: <CAO5c=m=cJA=s8SHSu+eUvjYDA2jSiNGKYyG5EqSj-yLHoFfJLA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

   As you know Pycon India 2013 is accepting proposals(
http://in.pycon.org/funnel/2013/). We have 26 submissions so far. Every
month there are local user group meeting in Bangalore, Pune, Chennai. In
case you happened to be in any of these cities please give talk or flash
talk in user group meeting and get your self familiarise with the topic,
time management and receive feedback from meetup.

If you are able to get the video of the talk from meetup and update in the
funnel, it is good for audience and judges. We have Bangpypers meetup on
every third week of the month. Here is june meetup link
www.meetup.com/BangPypers/events/123604902/. Please do contact me if you
are interested in giving a talk or flash talk.

Please pass on this information to local user groups which ever you are
part of.

-- 
*
Thanks & Regards

"Talk is cheap, show me the code" -- Linus Torvalds
kracekumar
www.kracekumar.com
*

From davidsnt at gmail.com  Wed Jun 12 21:48:06 2013
From: davidsnt at gmail.com (davidsnt)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 01:18:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Novice] Question on File seek and tell methods
Message-ID: <CAGvL6KVb6sJWskoX5WfGc37A-A4_GhW_VoTXj7Ua4kBa996h8g@mail.gmail.com>

Group,

I need a little help in using the file seek and tell methods, I have a file
with n lines, in which I have to find out the line which starts from a
particular keyword and print all the lines until I find next matching
keyword.

I did a work around using seek and tell, I used regex as well. I opened the
file, read line by line in a for loop, and checked each line for the
keyword used tell() to get the position and the seek() to move my cursor
and tried to print next lines until I get the next matching keyword but I
failed can you help me here.

Example test file

test.log

Bangalore
Hyderabad
Chennai
Mumbai
Tennis
Cricket
Poker
Angry Birds
Cricket
Mumbai
Chennai


I want to read and print from Chennai to Angry Birds

import sys,re

f = open('test.log', 'r')

for line in f:
         match = re.search('^Chennai', line)
         if(match):
              f.seek(f.tell(), 0)
              <I am missing out the logic from here>


Thanks,
David

From jtoomim at jtoomim.org  Wed Jun 12 23:19:44 2013
From: jtoomim at jtoomim.org (Jonathan Toomim)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 02:49:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Novice] Question on File seek and tell methods
In-Reply-To: <CAGvL6KVb6sJWskoX5WfGc37A-A4_GhW_VoTXj7Ua4kBa996h8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGvL6KVb6sJWskoX5WfGc37A-A4_GhW_VoTXj7Ua4kBa996h8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51B8E5F0.2090600@jtoomim.org>

Using seek() within a for loop that reads from the same file can result 
in unintended effects. Depending on when you seek and what you seek to, 
you could end up reading the same section twice, or skipping sections, 
or getting into an infinite loop. f.next() will read a line starting 
from the current file position (though with some behind-the-scenes 
buffering that can cause issues if you do other operations on the file 
during the loop). line = f.next() is called behind the scenes at the 
beginning of each iteration of the loop.

f.seek(f.tell(), 0) simply seeks to the current position. It does 
nothing except for incidentally flushing I/O buffers. It's also one of 
the weirder ways to do nothing; f.seek(0, 1) would make more sense 
("seek 0 bytes from the current position").

Note also that by the time f.seek(f.tell(), 0) is executed in your code, 
you're already past 'Chennai'. In the first instance in your example, 
the cursor position would be between the '\n' after Chennai and the 'M' 
of Mumbai.

Regex is probably overkill for your job. A neater, more succinct idiom 
would be to use if 'Chennai' in line: if you want to do a substring 
match, or if line == 'Chennai\n': if you want to match the whole line. 
(if 'Chennai' in line: is equivalent to your current code's behavior.) 
If you want to do a case insensitive search, I suggest if 'chennai' in 
line.lower():.

The way I would do this is as follows:

f = open('test.log') # mode='r' is the default; no need to specify it except for style reasons

matching = False

for line in f:
     if 'Chennai' in line:
         matching = True
     if matching:
         print line
     if 'Angry Birds' in line:
         matching = False
         
         # uncomment the line below if you want to only
         # print out the first matching section
         
         # break

f.close()



- Jonathan


On 6/13/2013 1:18 AM, davidsnt wrote:
> Group,
>
> I need a little help in using the file seek and tell methods, I have a file
> with n lines, in which I have to find out the line which starts from a
> particular keyword and print all the lines until I find next matching
> keyword.
>
> I did a work around using seek and tell, I used regex as well. I opened the
> file, read line by line in a for loop, and checked each line for the
> keyword used tell() to get the position and the seek() to move my cursor
> and tried to print next lines until I get the next matching keyword but I
> failed can you help me here.
>
> Example test file
>
> test.log
>
> Bangalore
> Hyderabad
> Chennai
> Mumbai
> Tennis
> Cricket
> Poker
> Angry Birds
> Cricket
> Mumbai
> Chennai
>
>
> I want to read and print from Chennai to Angry Birds
>
> import sys,re
>
> f = open('test.log', 'r')
>
> for line in f:
>           match = re.search('^Chennai', line)
>           if(match):
>                f.seek(f.tell(), 0)
>                <I am missing out the logic from here>
>
>
> Thanks,
> David
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>


From gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com  Thu Jun 13 03:20:08 2013
From: gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com (Gopalakrishnan Subramani)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 20:20:08 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Code Extractor in Python
Message-ID: <CAHhacd276hztnTRUPQmGzRsDy0wtEkyZZmteaom7_VkJ-Q5sVw@mail.gmail.com>

All,

I am looking for possibility to pull out the code from source file without
specifying the line numbers explicitly. I am writing a  blog and book on
Java script AngularJS using Markdown, I wanted that to be driven as
code-text blog.

Small example,
------------------------------------------
File: math.js

function sum(a, b) {
   return a + b;
}

function mul(a, b) {
   return a * b;
}
-----------------------------------------

On Markdown, the explanation shall be in Function.txt,

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
File: Function.txt

Basic Functions
============

Here is the simple *function* example that adds two numbers and return the
result.
      {{{insertCode math.js, function:sum}}}


---------------------------------------------------------------

{{{insertCode math.js, function:sum}}} is very abstract, I am ok with any
syntax, something that can be put on Jinja2 templates, in Python. But I
would like to pull the code from a file, function or specific class (for
other languages).

The idea is, store the source code in Github/separate file, the markdown
text shall be stored in Dropbox, I can display the code, and execute the
output, display the result underneath. Any changes to Github will be
reflected automatically, right now, I copy paste the code into markdown.

Alternative ideas or tools are welcome. Python based tools are preferred,

I use Flask, Markdown, Jinja2. Sometimes, I put Jinja2 templates inside
Markdown, so I can extend the template.

Python inspect is doing similar for Python but that is purely on run time,
I am looking for options to pull out code from Python, HTML. I tried, HTML,
it is possible with BS4.




Thank you,

GK

From anandology at gmail.com  Thu Jun 13 04:48:19 2013
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 08:18:19 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Code Extractor in Python
In-Reply-To: <CAHhacd276hztnTRUPQmGzRsDy0wtEkyZZmteaom7_VkJ-Q5sVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHhacd276hztnTRUPQmGzRsDy0wtEkyZZmteaom7_VkJ-Q5sVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAC7wXFzznd9H4dDVCeJi1Wu9ot=dAf4qOw+Aakh-Bk8WfhE=pQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Gopalakrishnan Subramani <
gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> I am looking for possibility to pull out the code from source file without
> specifying the line numbers explicitly. I am writing a  blog and book on
> Java script AngularJS using Markdown, I wanted that to be driven as
> code-text blog.
>
> Small example,
> ------------------------------------------
> File: math.js
>
> function sum(a, b) {
>    return a + b;
> }
>
> function mul(a, b) {
>    return a * b;
> }
> -----------------------------------------
>
> On Markdown, the explanation shall be in Function.txt,
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> File: Function.txt
>
> Basic Functions
> ============
>
> Here is the simple *function* example that adds two numbers and return the
> result.
>       {{{insertCode math.js, function:sum}}}
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> {{{insertCode math.js, function:sum}}} is very abstract, I am ok with any
> syntax, something that can be put on Jinja2 templates, in Python. But I
> would like to pull the code from a file, function or specific class (for
> other languages).
>
> The idea is, store the source code in Github/separate file, the markdown
> text shall be stored in Dropbox, I can display the code, and execute the
> output, display the result underneath. Any changes to Github will be
> reflected automatically, right now, I copy paste the code into markdown.
>
> Alternative ideas or tools are welcome. Python based tools are preferred,
>
> I use Flask, Markdown, Jinja2. Sometimes, I put Jinja2 templates inside
> Markdown, so I can extend the template.
>
> Python inspect is doing similar for Python but that is purely on run time,
> I am looking for options to pull out code from Python, HTML. I tried, HTML,
> it is possible with BS4.
>

I think the best way to do it is by separating extracting code from
including code. You can write a script to preprocess the source files and
extracts each function and writes into a different files. Once you have
solved that problem, then all you have to do just include one file in your
markdown.

Now for extracting, the dumb way is to insert markers in the source file
and let the preprocessor look for those markers and extract them.

// BEGIN sum
function sum(a, b) {
   return a + b;
}
// END

This adds little more work for you as you have to manually do the markings,
but this is very flexible. If you want to include multiple functions or a
class or something completely different, it'll just work.

If you know you are always going to extract a function or a class, then you
can be a bit more smarter and write a parser to extract them.

Hope this helps!

-- 
Anand
http://anandology.com/

From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Thu Jun 13 04:54:58 2013
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 08:24:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Code Extractor in Python
In-Reply-To: <CAC7wXFzznd9H4dDVCeJi1Wu9ot=dAf4qOw+Aakh-Bk8WfhE=pQ@mail.gmail.com>
	(Anand Chitipothu's message of "Thu, 13 Jun 2013 08:18:19 +0530")
References: <CAHhacd276hztnTRUPQmGzRsDy0wtEkyZZmteaom7_VkJ-Q5sVw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC7wXFzznd9H4dDVCeJi1Wu9ot=dAf4qOw+Aakh-Bk8WfhE=pQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87a9mug1od.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>

Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> writes:


[...]

> I think the best way to do it is by separating extracting code from
> including code. You can write a script to preprocess the source files and
> extracts each function and writes into a different files. Once you have
> solved that problem, then all you have to do just include one file in your
> markdown.

Dexy[1] allows you to do this. It's a little hairy to setup but quite
flexible once you do so.

[...]


Footnotes: 
[1]  http://dexy.it/

-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com  Thu Jun 13 05:11:26 2013
From: gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com (Gopalakrishnan Subramani)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 22:11:26 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Code Extractor in Python
In-Reply-To: <87a9mug1od.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
References: <CAHhacd276hztnTRUPQmGzRsDy0wtEkyZZmteaom7_VkJ-Q5sVw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC7wXFzznd9H4dDVCeJi1Wu9ot=dAf4qOw+Aakh-Bk8WfhE=pQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<87a9mug1od.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
Message-ID: <CAHhacd0OM2j+qBLiuRUCx_uyG0rWXrrSDobEudT_uS8TFREQ4w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Anand.

I will give a try for dexy, seems like rST.





On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>wrote:

> Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> writes:
>
>
> [...]
>
> > I think the best way to do it is by separating extracting code from
> > including code. You can write a script to preprocess the source files and
> > extracts each function and writes into a different files. Once you have
> > solved that problem, then all you have to do just include one file in
> your
> > markdown.
>
> Dexy[1] allows you to do this. It's a little hairy to setup but quite
> flexible once you do so.
>
> [...]
>
>
> Footnotes:
> [1]  http://dexy.it/
>
> --
> Cordially,
> Noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From harish.shastry at gmail.com  Thu Jun 13 05:12:00 2013
From: harish.shastry at gmail.com (Harish Vishwanath)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 08:42:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Code Extractor in Python
In-Reply-To: <87a9mug1od.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
References: <CAHhacd276hztnTRUPQmGzRsDy0wtEkyZZmteaom7_VkJ-Q5sVw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC7wXFzznd9H4dDVCeJi1Wu9ot=dAf4qOw+Aakh-Bk8WfhE=pQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<87a9mug1od.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
Message-ID: <CA+D2wW1LACc5zEOqF9h4A2-5cM7ciiXCt3jVrCvVdBFvBgycFw@mail.gmail.com>

I remember reading this blog about how pydanny wrote the book - two scoops
of django.
http://pydanny.com/tools-we-used-to-write-2scoops.html. May be you will
find some tools that they used to be helpful.

Regards,
Harish


On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>wrote:

> Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> writes:
>
>
> [...]
>
> > I think the best way to do it is by separating extracting code from
> > including code. You can write a script to preprocess the source files and
> > extracts each function and writes into a different files. Once you have
> > solved that problem, then all you have to do just include one file in
> your
> > markdown.
>
> Dexy[1] allows you to do this. It's a little hairy to setup but quite
> flexible once you do so.
>
> [...]
>
>
> Footnotes:
> [1]  http://dexy.it/
>
> --
> Cordially,
> Noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com  Thu Jun 13 05:27:20 2013
From: gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com (Gopalakrishnan Subramani)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 22:27:20 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Code Extractor in Python
In-Reply-To: <CA+D2wW1LACc5zEOqF9h4A2-5cM7ciiXCt3jVrCvVdBFvBgycFw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHhacd276hztnTRUPQmGzRsDy0wtEkyZZmteaom7_VkJ-Q5sVw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC7wXFzznd9H4dDVCeJi1Wu9ot=dAf4qOw+Aakh-Bk8WfhE=pQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<87a9mug1od.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CA+D2wW1LACc5zEOqF9h4A2-5cM7ciiXCt3jVrCvVdBFvBgycFw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHhacd2rYYMJLy9dR27M_PzY0xj1WRzRL0-+RHBdnrMhehVwWw@mail.gmail.com>

Just found that, Javascript has got toString() to display the function
source code, that does portion of what is expected, I think, it is similar
to Python inspect. I will update my findings here.



On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Harish Vishwanath <
harish.shastry at gmail.com> wrote:

> I remember reading this blog about how pydanny wrote the book - two scoops
> of django.
> http://pydanny.com/tools-we-used-to-write-2scoops.html. May be you will
> find some tools that they used to be helpful.
>
> Regards,
> Harish
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at nibrahim.net.in
> >wrote:
>
> > Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> writes:
> >
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > I think the best way to do it is by separating extracting code from
> > > including code. You can write a script to preprocess the source files
> and
> > > extracts each function and writes into a different files. Once you have
> > > solved that problem, then all you have to do just include one file in
> > your
> > > markdown.
> >
> > Dexy[1] allows you to do this. It's a little hairy to setup but quite
> > flexible once you do so.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >
> > Footnotes:
> > [1]  http://dexy.it/
> >
> > --
> > Cordially,
> > Noufal
> > http://nibrahim.net.in
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From dhruvbaldawa at gmail.com  Thu Jun 13 06:21:37 2013
From: dhruvbaldawa at gmail.com (Dhruv Baldawa)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 09:51:37 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Code Extractor in Python
In-Reply-To: <CAHhacd2rYYMJLy9dR27M_PzY0xj1WRzRL0-+RHBdnrMhehVwWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHhacd276hztnTRUPQmGzRsDy0wtEkyZZmteaom7_VkJ-Q5sVw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC7wXFzznd9H4dDVCeJi1Wu9ot=dAf4qOw+Aakh-Bk8WfhE=pQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<87a9mug1od.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CA+D2wW1LACc5zEOqF9h4A2-5cM7ciiXCt3jVrCvVdBFvBgycFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHhacd2rYYMJLy9dR27M_PzY0xj1WRzRL0-+RHBdnrMhehVwWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAC5HnjgkhrBdgt+5q+49QHw0m=TM7kABDUXLEFEvkku28-GU2A@mail.gmail.com>

I use something similar to this on my blog to parse rST.


from docutils.parsers.rst import Directive, directives


class ScriptBlock(Directive):
    """
    Usage:
    .. script:: <link_to_image>

    """
    required_arguments = 1
    optional_arguments = 2
    has_content = False
    CODE = '\
    <code class="javascript">{0}</code>\
    '

    def run(self):
        """ Required by the Directive interface. Create docutils nodes """
        # get the file path
        file_path = self.arguments[0]
        script_contents = open(file_path).read()
        return [nodes.raw('', self.CODE.format(
            script_contents,
        ), format='html')]

directives.register_directive('image-link', ImageLinkBlock)


--
Dhruv Baldawa
(http://www.dhruvb.com)


On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Gopalakrishnan Subramani <
gopalakrishnan.subramani at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just found that, Javascript has got toString() to display the function
> source code, that does portion of what is expected, I think, it is similar
> to Python inspect. I will update my findings here.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Harish Vishwanath <
> harish.shastry at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I remember reading this blog about how pydanny wrote the book - two
> scoops
> > of django.
> > http://pydanny.com/tools-we-used-to-write-2scoops.html. May be you will
> > find some tools that they used to be helpful.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Harish
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:24 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at nibrahim.net.in
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > > I think the best way to do it is by separating extracting code from
> > > > including code. You can write a script to preprocess the source files
> > and
> > > > extracts each function and writes into a different files. Once you
> have
> > > > solved that problem, then all you have to do just include one file in
> > > your
> > > > markdown.
> > >
> > > Dexy[1] allows you to do this. It's a little hairy to setup but quite
> > > flexible once you do so.
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > >
> > > Footnotes:
> > > [1]  http://dexy.it/
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cordially,
> > > Noufal
> > > http://nibrahim.net.in
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From pasokan at gmail.com  Thu Jun 13 08:59:06 2013
From: pasokan at gmail.com (Asokan Pichai)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 12:29:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Novice] Question on File seek and tell methods
In-Reply-To: <51B8E5F0.2090600@jtoomim.org>
References: <CAGvL6KVb6sJWskoX5WfGc37A-A4_GhW_VoTXj7Ua4kBa996h8g@mail.gmail.com>
	<51B8E5F0.2090600@jtoomim.org>
Message-ID: <CAB3TsCi6Gz4HPgYRBE_i_WZ3ioP2UFoygsJVZQPqg_D2mpiT9w@mail.gmail.com>

On 13 June 2013 02:49, Jonathan Toomim <jtoomim at jtoomim.org> wrote:

> Using seek() within a for loop that reads from the same file can result in
> unintended effects. Depending on when you seek and what you seek to, you
> could end up reading the same section twice, or skipping sections, or
> getting into an infinite loop. f.next() will read a line starting from the
> current file position (though with some behind-the-scenes buffering that
> can cause issues if you do other operations on the file during the loop).
> line = f.next() is called behind the scenes at the beginning of each
> iteration of the loop.
>
> f.seek(f.tell(), 0) simply seeks to the current position. It does nothing
> except for incidentally flushing I/O buffers. It's also one of the weirder
> ways to do nothing; f.seek(0, 1) would make more sense ("seek 0 bytes from
> the current position").
>
> Note also that by the time f.seek(f.tell(), 0) is executed in your code,
> you're already past 'Chennai'. In the first instance in your example, the
> cursor position would be between the '\n' after Chennai and the 'M' of
> Mumbai.
>
> Regex is probably overkill for your job. A neater, more succinct idiom
> would be to use if 'Chennai' in line: if you want to do a substring match,
> or if line == 'Chennai\n': if you want to match the whole line. (if
> 'Chennai' in line: is equivalent to your current code's behavior.) If you
> want to do a case insensitive search, I suggest if 'chennai' in
> line.lower():.
>
> The way I would do this is as follows:
>
> f = open('test.log') # mode='r' is the default; no need to specify it
> except for style reasons
>
> matching = False
>
> for line in f:
>     if 'Chennai' in line:
>         matching = True
>     if matching:
>         print line
>     if 'Angry Birds' in line:
>
A minor defensive programming *may be* appropriate here
if 'Angry Birds' in line and matching:


>         matching = False
>                 # uncomment the line below if you want to only
>         # print out the first matching section
>                 # break
>
> f.close()
>
> It would be a good practice in general to name the start and end strings.
Of course Jonathan was focusing on the specific for loop issue and not the
general programming issues and hence hard coded the strings.

>
>
> - Jonathan
>
>
>
> On 6/13/2013 1:18 AM, davidsnt wrote:
>
>> Group,
>>
>> I need a little help in using the file seek and tell methods, I have a
>> file
>> with n lines, in which I have to find out the line which starts from a
>> particular keyword and print all the lines until I find next matching
>> keyword.
>>
>> I did a work around using seek and tell, I used regex as well. I opened
>> the
>> file, read line by line in a for loop, and checked each line for the
>> keyword used tell() to get the position and the seek() to move my cursor
>> and tried to print next lines until I get the next matching keyword but I
>> failed can you help me here.
>>
>> Example test file
>>
>> test.log
>>
>> Bangalore
>> Hyderabad
>> Chennai
>> Mumbai
>> Tennis
>> Cricket
>> Poker
>> Angry Birds
>> Cricket
>> Mumbai
>> Chennai
>>
>>
>> I want to read and print from Chennai to Angry Birds
>>
>> import sys,re
>>
>> f = open('test.log', 'r')
>>
>> for line in f:
>>           match = re.search('^Chennai', line)
>>           if(match):
>>                f.seek(f.tell(), 0)
>>                <I am missing out the logic from here>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> David
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/bangpypers<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers>
>>
>>
> ______________________________**_________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/bangpypers<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers>
>



-- 
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*-------------------*
We will find a way. Or, make one. (Hannibal)

*To find everything profound ? that is an inconvenient trait.* It makes one
strain one's eyes all the time, and in the end one finds more than one
might have wished. -- Nietzsche

From metafusion at gmail.com  Sun Jun 16 09:08:03 2013
From: metafusion at gmail.com (Shuhaib Shariff)
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:38:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [JOBS] Python Developers with 1-2 Yrs Experience
Message-ID: <CAAAXCkxA7-my+fb+-Kk47pOcJmWubSRm2K5ZkXfzJG1C6_si4A@mail.gmail.com>

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From vsapre80 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 16 21:52:23 2013
From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 01:22:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Novice] Question on File seek and tell methods
In-Reply-To: <CAGvL6KVb6sJWskoX5WfGc37A-A4_GhW_VoTXj7Ua4kBa996h8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGvL6KVb6sJWskoX5WfGc37A-A4_GhW_VoTXj7Ua4kBa996h8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACPguY-jfVNb85_==Mvih0-Chj1Ws-rA=-dRGbyYKGjwp1JE3g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

If the file you are talking about is not too big...i mean has less than say
50,000 lines, then the simplest would be to do:

with open('fileName') as fin:
    lines = fin.readlines()

printStuff = False
for line in lines:
    if 'start_keyword' in line:
        printStuff = True
        print line

    elif 'stop_keyword' in line:
        print line
        break

    elif printStuff:
        print line

Hope this helps,
Vishal Sapre



Thanks and best regards,
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On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:18 AM, davidsnt <davidsnt at gmail.com> wrote:

> Group,
>
> I need a little help in using the file seek and tell methods, I have a file
> with n lines, in which I have to find out the line which starts from a
> particular keyword and print all the lines until I find next matching
> keyword.
>
> I did a work around using seek and tell, I used regex as well. I opened the
> file, read line by line in a for loop, and checked each line for the
> keyword used tell() to get the position and the seek() to move my cursor
> and tried to print next lines until I get the next matching keyword but I
> failed can you help me here.
>
> Example test file
>
> test.log
>
> Bangalore
> Hyderabad
> Chennai
> Mumbai
> Tennis
> Cricket
> Poker
> Angry Birds
> Cricket
> Mumbai
> Chennai
>
>
> I want to read and print from Chennai to Angry Birds
>
> import sys,re
>
> f = open('test.log', 'r')
>
> for line in f:
>          match = re.search('^Chennai', line)
>          if(match):
>               f.seek(f.tell(), 0)
>               <I am missing out the logic from here>
>
>
> Thanks,
> David
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From saurabh.hirani at gmail.com  Mon Jun 17 12:57:34 2013
From: saurabh.hirani at gmail.com (Saurabh Hirani)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 16:27:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] BangPypers Digest, Vol 70, Issue 17
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1371463201.18540.bangpypers@python.org>
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Message-ID: <CABLu-kp0NvNXOCBH3NtYOR9_iYmd11=J5feiSfMpAat=wvPk8g@mail.gmail.com>

The problem is that when you do "for line in f" you are using Python's
iterators and they are not rewindable i.e. "for line in f" gives call the
next() function but there is no way to go back when you use iterators. You
can solve your problem with the following snippet of code


#!/usr/bin/env python

import re
import sys

# not doing input validation
# call program as: python prog.py start_keyword stop_keyword file_to_read
startat = sys.argv[1]
stopat = sys.argv[2]
inputfile = sys.argv[3]

re_startat = re.compile(r'^%s$' % (startat))
re_stopat = re.compile(r'^%s$' % (stopat))
pattern = re_startat

with open(inputfile) as f:
    line = f.readline()
    inrange = False
    while line:
        match = re.search(pattern, line)
        # if the pattern matches
        if (match):
            # and we are not in range of startat - stopat
            if (not inrange):
                # get in range and change the pattern
                inrange = True
                pattern = re_stopat
            else:
                # we are in the range => stopat pattern matched
                # print line and exit
                print line
                break
        if (inrange):
            # we are in range + stopat pattern not matched
            # keep on printing
            print line
        line = f.readline()

It does look prettier in vim on a black screen though :)

The idea is you are "in range" if you have matched your first keyword and
till you stay in the range you keep on printing. When you find your next
keyword, you are "out of the range"  and you exit.

Hope that helps.

--
regards,
Saurabh.
http://curiosityhealsthecat.blogspot.in/



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> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 01:22:23 +0530
> From: Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com>
> To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [BangPypers] [Novice] Question on File seek and tell
>         methods
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>
> Hi,
>
> If the file you are talking about is not too big...i mean has less than say
> 50,000 lines, then the simplest would be to do:
>
> with open('fileName') as fin:
>     lines = fin.readlines()
>
> printStuff = False
> for line in lines:
>     if 'start_keyword' in line:
>         printStuff = True
>         print line
>
>     elif 'stop_keyword' in line:
>         print line
>         break
>
>     elif printStuff:
>         print line
>
> Hope this helps,
> Vishal Sapre
>
>
>
> Thanks and best regards,
> Vishal Sapre
>
> ---
> "Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
> "????? ?????, ????? ????? (Benefit for most people, Happiness for most
> people.)"
> ---
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> Paper. Save the Earth.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:18 AM, davidsnt <davidsnt at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Group,
> >
> > I need a little help in using the file seek and tell methods, I have a
> file
> > with n lines, in which I have to find out the line which starts from a
> > particular keyword and print all the lines until I find next matching
> > keyword.
> >
> > I did a work around using seek and tell, I used regex as well. I opened
> the
> > file, read line by line in a for loop, and checked each line for the
> > keyword used tell() to get the position and the seek() to move my cursor
> > and tried to print next lines until I get the next matching keyword but I
> > failed can you help me here.
> >
> > Example test file
> >
> > test.log
> >
> > Bangalore
> > Hyderabad
> > Chennai
> > Mumbai
> > Tennis
> > Cricket
> > Poker
> > Angry Birds
> > Cricket
> > Mumbai
> > Chennai
> >
> >
> > I want to read and print from Chennai to Angry Birds
> >
> > import sys,re
> >
> > f = open('test.log', 'r')
> >
> > for line in f:
> >          match = re.search('^Chennai', line)
> >          if(match):
> >               f.seek(f.tell(), 0)
> >               <I am missing out the logic from here>
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > David
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From saurabh.hirani at gmail.com  Mon Jun 17 13:05:23 2013
From: saurabh.hirani at gmail.com (Saurabh Hirani)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 16:35:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] BangPypers Digest, Vol 70, Issue 17
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Sorry for replying to the wrong thread. This previous mail was an answer to

http://python.6.x6.nabble.com/Novice-Question-on-File-seek-and-tell-methods-td5021174.html


On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Saurabh Hirani <saurabh.hirani at gmail.com>wrote:

> The problem is that when you do "for line in f" you are using Python's
> iterators and they are not rewindable i.e. "for line in f" gives call the
> next() function but there is no way to go back when you use iterators. You
> can solve your problem with the following snippet of code
>
>
> #!/usr/bin/env python
>
> import re
> import sys
>
> # not doing input validation
> # call program as: python prog.py start_keyword stop_keyword file_to_read
> startat = sys.argv[1]
> stopat = sys.argv[2]
> inputfile = sys.argv[3]
>
> re_startat = re.compile(r'^%s$' % (startat))
> re_stopat = re.compile(r'^%s$' % (stopat))
> pattern = re_startat
>
> with open(inputfile) as f:
>     line = f.readline()
>     inrange = False
>     while line:
>         match = re.search(pattern, line)
>         # if the pattern matches
>         if (match):
>             # and we are not in range of startat - stopat
>             if (not inrange):
>                 # get in range and change the pattern
>                 inrange = True
>                 pattern = re_stopat
>             else:
>                 # we are in the range => stopat pattern matched
>                 # print line and exit
>                 print line
>                 break
>         if (inrange):
>             # we are in range + stopat pattern not matched
>             # keep on printing
>             print line
>         line = f.readline()
>
> It does look prettier in vim on a black screen though :)
>
> The idea is you are "in range" if you have matched your first keyword and
> till you stay in the range you keep on printing. When you find your next
> keyword, you are "out of the range"  and you exit.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> --
> regards,
> Saurabh.
> http://curiosityhealsthecat.blogspot.in/
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:30 PM, <bangpypers-request at python.org> wrote:
>
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>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 01:22:23 +0530
>> From: Vishal <vsapre80 at gmail.com>
>> To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India <bangpypers at python.org>
>> Subject: Re: [BangPypers] [Novice] Question on File seek and tell
>>         methods
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>>         <CACPguY-jfVNb85_==Mvih0-Chj1Ws-rA=-
>> dRGbyYKGjwp1JE3g at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> If the file you are talking about is not too big...i mean has less than
>> say
>> 50,000 lines, then the simplest would be to do:
>>
>> with open('fileName') as fin:
>>     lines = fin.readlines()
>>
>> printStuff = False
>> for line in lines:
>>     if 'start_keyword' in line:
>>         printStuff = True
>>         print line
>>
>>     elif 'stop_keyword' in line:
>>         print line
>>         break
>>
>>     elif printStuff:
>>         print line
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> Vishal Sapre
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks and best regards,
>> Vishal Sapre
>>
>> ---
>> "Life is 10% how you make it, and 90% how you take it"
>> "????? ?????, ????? ????? (Benefit for most people, Happiness for most
>> people.)"
>> ---
>> Please DONT print this email, unless you really need to. Save Energy &
>> Paper. Save the Earth.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 1:18 AM, davidsnt <davidsnt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Group,
>> >
>> > I need a little help in using the file seek and tell methods, I have a
>> file
>> > with n lines, in which I have to find out the line which starts from a
>> > particular keyword and print all the lines until I find next matching
>> > keyword.
>> >
>> > I did a work around using seek and tell, I used regex as well. I opened
>> the
>> > file, read line by line in a for loop, and checked each line for the
>> > keyword used tell() to get the position and the seek() to move my cursor
>> > and tried to print next lines until I get the next matching keyword but
>> I
>> > failed can you help me here.
>> >
>> > Example test file
>> >
>> > test.log
>> >
>> > Bangalore
>> > Hyderabad
>> > Chennai
>> > Mumbai
>> > Tennis
>> > Cricket
>> > Poker
>> > Angry Birds
>> > Cricket
>> > Mumbai
>> > Chennai
>> >
>> >
>> > I want to read and print from Chennai to Angry Birds
>> >
>> > import sys,re
>> >
>> > f = open('test.log', 'r')
>> >
>> > for line in f:
>> >          match = re.search('^Chennai', line)
>> >          if(match):
>> >               f.seek(f.tell(), 0)
>> >               <I am missing out the logic from here>
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > David
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > BangPypers mailing list
>> > BangPypers at python.org
>> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>> >
>>
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>
>
>
> --
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>



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From saurabh.hirani at gmail.com  Mon Jun 17 13:16:06 2013
From: saurabh.hirani at gmail.com (saurabh)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 04:16:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] [Novice] Question on File seek and tell methods
In-Reply-To: <CAGvL6KVb6sJWskoX5WfGc37A-A4_GhW_VoTXj7Ua4kBa996h8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGvL6KVb6sJWskoX5WfGc37A-A4_GhW_VoTXj7Ua4kBa996h8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1371467766707-5021552.post@n6.nabble.com>

Jonathan has given quite a good answer which I think would solve your
problem. Here's my take on it. The way of looking at it is a little
different but Jonathan's approach is much simpler.

The problem is that when you do "for line in f" you are using Python's
iterators and they are not rewindable i.e. "for line in f" gives call the
next() function but there is no way to go back when you use iterators. You
can solve your problem with the following snippet of code.

#!/usr/bin/env python

import re
import sys

# not doing input validation
# call program as: python prog.py start_keyword stop_keyword file_to_read
startat = sys.argv[1]
stopat = sys.argv[2]
inputfile = sys.argv[3]

re_startat = re.compile(r'^%s$' % (startat))
re_stopat = re.compile(r'^%s$' % (stopat))
pattern = re_startat

with open(inputfile) as f:
    line = f.readline()
    inrange = False
    while line:
        match = re.search(pattern, line)
        # if the pattern matches
        if (match):
            # and we are not in range of startat - stopat
            if (not inrange):
                # get in range and change the pattern
                inrange = True
                pattern = re_stopat
            else:
                # we are in the range => stopat pattern matched
                # print line and exit
                print line
                break
        if (inrange):
            # we are in range + stopat pattern not matched
            # keep on printing
            print line
        line = f.readline()

It does look prettier in vim on a black screen though :) 

The idea is you are "in range" if you have matched your first keyword and
till you stay in the range you keep on printing. When you find your next
keyword, you are "out of the range"  and you exit. 

Hope that helps.

--
regards,
Saurabh.
http://curiosityhealsthecat.blogspot.in/



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From davidsnt at gmail.com  Mon Jun 17 14:19:54 2013
From: davidsnt at gmail.com (davidsnt)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:49:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Novice] Question on File seek and tell methods
In-Reply-To: <1371467766707-5021552.post@n6.nabble.com>
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	<1371467766707-5021552.post@n6.nabble.com>
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Thank you all for your help, I managed to get what I wanted from the file
with all your help, but still I  have my question left opened, cant we get
this done with seek and tell methods, agree that we have a better way, but
want to know the possibilities of getting done with seek and tell.

Read the file, check for matching pattern, get the cursor position with
tell, seek the cursor to the same position and start reading from there
until the next matching position, can you help me with seek and tell
methods to achieve the above case.


Thanks,
David


On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 4:46 PM, saurabh <saurabh.hirani at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jonathan has given quite a good answer which I think would solve your
> problem. Here's my take on it. The way of looking at it is a little
> different but Jonathan's approach is much simpler.
>
> The problem is that when you do "for line in f" you are using Python's
> iterators and they are not rewindable i.e. "for line in f" gives call the
> next() function but there is no way to go back when you use iterators. You
> can solve your problem with the following snippet of code.
>
> #!/usr/bin/env python
>
> import re
> import sys
>
> # not doing input validation
> # call program as: python prog.py start_keyword stop_keyword file_to_read
> startat = sys.argv[1]
> stopat = sys.argv[2]
> inputfile = sys.argv[3]
>
> re_startat = re.compile(r'^%s$' % (startat))
> re_stopat = re.compile(r'^%s$' % (stopat))
> pattern = re_startat
>
> with open(inputfile) as f:
>     line = f.readline()
>     inrange = False
>     while line:
>         match = re.search(pattern, line)
>         # if the pattern matches
>         if (match):
>             # and we are not in range of startat - stopat
>             if (not inrange):
>                 # get in range and change the pattern
>                 inrange = True
>                 pattern = re_stopat
>             else:
>                 # we are in the range => stopat pattern matched
>                 # print line and exit
>                 print line
>                 break
>         if (inrange):
>             # we are in range + stopat pattern not matched
>             # keep on printing
>             print line
>         line = f.readline()
>
> It does look prettier in vim on a black screen though :)
>
> The idea is you are "in range" if you have matched your first keyword and
> till you stay in the range you keep on printing. When you find your next
> keyword, you are "out of the range"  and you exit.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> --
> regards,
> Saurabh.
> http://curiosityhealsthecat.blogspot.in/
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://python.6.x6.nabble.com/Novice-Question-on-File-seek-and-tell-methods-tp5021174p5021552.html
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From saurabh.hirani at gmail.com  Mon Jun 17 14:58:57 2013
From: saurabh.hirani at gmail.com (saurabh)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 05:58:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] [Novice] Question on File seek and tell methods
In-Reply-To: <CAGvL6KVh-hed_gk0tgMsqGV3Asz7Ezn1fRi2=BGjYuL5C74Wiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGvL6KVb6sJWskoX5WfGc37A-A4_GhW_VoTXj7Ua4kBa996h8g@mail.gmail.com>
	<1371467766707-5021552.post@n6.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <1371473937057-5021560.post@n6.nabble.com>

Well, if you must do it that way then this is what I cooked up in a hurry.
See if you like it. It comes with the caveat of recording the first
pattern's pos and re-reading the file from that pos again.

#!/usr/bin/env python

import re
import sys

# not doing input validation
# call program as: python prog.py start_keyword stop_keyword file_to_read
start_pattern = sys.argv[1]
stop_pattern = sys.argv[2]
inputfile = sys.argv[3]

re_start_pattern = re.compile(r'^%s$' % (start_pattern))
re_stop_pattern = re.compile(r'^%s$' % (stop_pattern))
pattern = re_start_pattern
last_line_len = 0

# this function should have a better name + check it for corner cases
def patternized_read(filename, pattern, printlines = False, start_at = 0):
    matched = False
    with open(inputfile) as f:
        f.seek(start_at, 0)
        pattern_pos = 0
        line = f.readline()
        while line:
            if printlines:
                print line
            match = re.search(pattern, line)
            # if the pattern matches
            if (match):
                matched = True
                break
            pattern_pos = f.tell()
            line = f.readline()
    if matched:
        return pattern_pos
    return None

start_pos = patternized_read(inputfile, re_start_pattern)
if start_pos is None:
    print "start pattern %s is not present" % (start_pattern)
    sys.exit(1)
end_pos = patternized_read(inputfile, re_stop_pattern, printlines = True,
start_at = start_pos)




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From jtoomim at jtoomim.org  Mon Jun 17 15:03:01 2013
From: jtoomim at jtoomim.org (Jonathan Toomim)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 18:33:01 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Novice] Question on File seek and tell methods
In-Reply-To: <CAGvL6KVh-hed_gk0tgMsqGV3Asz7Ezn1fRi2=BGjYuL5C74Wiw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<1371467766707-5021552.post@n6.nabble.com>
	<CAGvL6KVh-hed_gk0tgMsqGV3Asz7Ezn1fRi2=BGjYuL5C74Wiw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51BF0905.50301@jtoomim.org>

That's like saying, "Head north until you get to Hyderabad. Once you're 
in Hyderabad, write down your GPS coordinates. Go to those GPS 
coordinates. Keep going north, taking pictures along the way, until you 
get to Nagpur. Once in Nagpur, write down your GPS coordinates. Go to 
those GPS coordinates. Stop taking pictures."

Alternately, you could read through the file once, making a note of the 
locations at which 'Chennai' and 'Angry Birds' occur, then later jump to 
those points and print them:

starts = []
stops = []
matched_strings = []

start_str = 'Chennai'
stop_str  = 'Angry Birds'

with open(inputfile) as f:
     for line in f:

         if start_str in line:

             # don't record extra starts in between starts and stops
             if len(starts) == len(stops):

                 # our file cursor is now after our target, so let's adjust
                 start = f.tell() - len(line)
                 starts.append(start)

         elif stop_str in line:

             # don't record stops that aren't after a start
             if len(starts) == len(stops) + 1:
                 stops.append(f.tell() - len(line))

     # make sure we have a stop for every start
     if len(starts) > len(stops):
         stops.append(f.tell()) # this is the file end

     for start, stop in zip(starts, stops):
         f.seek(start)
         matched_strings.append(f.read(stop - start))



On 6/17/2013 5:49 PM, davidsnt wrote:
> Thank you all for your help, I managed to get what I wanted from the file
> with all your help, but still I  have my question left opened, cant we get
> this done with seek and tell methods, agree that we have a better way, but
> want to know the possibilities of getting done with seek and tell.
>
> Read the file, check for matching pattern, get the cursor position with
> tell, seek the cursor to the same position and start reading from there
> until the next matching position, can you help me with seek and tell
> methods to achieve the above case.
>
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 4:46 PM, saurabh <saurabh.hirani at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Jonathan has given quite a good answer which I think would solve your
>> problem. Here's my take on it. The way of looking at it is a little
>> different but Jonathan's approach is much simpler.
>>
>> The problem is that when you do "for line in f" you are using Python's
>> iterators and they are not rewindable i.e. "for line in f" gives call the
>> next() function but there is no way to go back when you use iterators. You
>> can solve your problem with the following snippet of code.
>>
>> #!/usr/bin/env python
>>
>> import re
>> import sys
>>
>> # not doing input validation
>> # call program as: python prog.py start_keyword stop_keyword file_to_read
>> startat = sys.argv[1]
>> stopat = sys.argv[2]
>> inputfile = sys.argv[3]
>>
>> re_startat = re.compile(r'^%s$' % (startat))
>> re_stopat = re.compile(r'^%s$' % (stopat))
>> pattern = re_startat
>>
>> with open(inputfile) as f:
>>      line = f.readline()
>>      inrange = False
>>      while line:
>>          match = re.search(pattern, line)
>>          # if the pattern matches
>>          if (match):
>>              # and we are not in range of startat - stopat
>>              if (not inrange):
>>                  # get in range and change the pattern
>>                  inrange = True
>>                  pattern = re_stopat
>>              else:
>>                  # we are in the range => stopat pattern matched
>>                  # print line and exit
>>                  print line
>>                  break
>>          if (inrange):
>>              # we are in range + stopat pattern not matched
>>              # keep on printing
>>              print line
>>          line = f.readline()
>>
>> It does look prettier in vim on a black screen though :)
>>
>> The idea is you are "in range" if you have matched your first keyword and
>> till you stay in the range you keep on printing. When you find your next
>> keyword, you are "out of the range"  and you exit.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> --
>> regards,
>> Saurabh.
>> http://curiosityhealsthecat.blogspot.in/
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://python.6.x6.nabble.com/Novice-Question-on-File-seek-and-tell-methods-tp5021174p5021552.html
>> Sent from the Bangalore (BangPypers) mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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From saurabh.hirani at gmail.com  Mon Jun 17 15:07:23 2013
From: saurabh.hirani at gmail.com (saurabh)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 06:07:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] [Novice] Question on File seek and tell methods
In-Reply-To: <CAGvL6KVh-hed_gk0tgMsqGV3Asz7Ezn1fRi2=BGjYuL5C74Wiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGvL6KVb6sJWskoX5WfGc37A-A4_GhW_VoTXj7Ua4kBa996h8g@mail.gmail.com>
	<1371467766707-5021552.post@n6.nabble.com>
	<CAGvL6KVh-hed_gk0tgMsqGV3Asz7Ezn1fRi2=BGjYuL5C74Wiw@mail.gmail.com>
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In this answer for the chunk

re_start_pattern = re.compile(r'^%s$' % (start_pattern))
re_stop_pattern = re.compile(r'^%s$' % (stop_pattern))
*pattern = re_start_pattern
last_line_len = 0*

"pattern" and "last_line_len" are unused vars. I forgot to delete them.
Updated just so that the reader does not confuse them as a part of the
implementation.



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From saurabh.hirani at gmail.com  Mon Jun 17 15:15:03 2013
From: saurabh.hirani at gmail.com (saurabh)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 06:15:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [BangPypers] [Novice] Question on File seek and tell methods
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	<1371467766707-5021552.post@n6.nabble.com>
	<CAGvL6KVh-hed_gk0tgMsqGV3Asz7Ezn1fRi2=BGjYuL5C74Wiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1371474443553-5021564.post@n6.nabble.com>
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As I said earlier and I repeat myself  - Jonanthan's approach is simpler :)
Always good to see an elegant solution of a problem. 
Interesting code Jon. Looking forward to seeing your code snippets in
answers. :)

--
Cheers,
Saurabh.
http://curiosityhealsthecat.blogspot.in/



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From navin at smriti.com  Tue Jun 18 07:34:09 2013
From: navin at smriti.com (Navin Kabra)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 11:04:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] [Novice] Question on File seek and tell methods
In-Reply-To: <51B8E5F0.2090600@jtoomim.org>
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	<51B8E5F0.2090600@jtoomim.org>
Message-ID: <87k3lshtim.fsf@smriti.com>

> The way I would do this is as follows:

I would use itertools to make the code more concise. Also, a strong
recommendation that `with` should be used whenever you want to open a
file. And use of the `print_function` from `__future__` for python-3
compatibility.

    from __future__ import print_function
    from itertools import dropwhile
    with open('/tmp/foo.txt') as f:
        for line in dropwhile(lambda l: not l.startswith('Chennai'), f):
            # process line here
            print(line.strip())
            if line.startswith('Angry Birds'):
                break


Note: there is also `takewhile` in itertools that could have been
useful if the 'Angry Birds' line is not to be included in the selected
lines.

From workforsiva at gmail.com  Tue Jun 18 16:17:57 2013
From: workforsiva at gmail.com (Siva Ranganath)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 19:47:57 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] regarding python
Message-ID: <CACW12xCHTTD+8QCCfHOHhK_No3A8shPKfer8MK5PuULTSsEAZw@mail.gmail.com>

hello Python group,


I am siva  working as an software engineer with 4 years of open systems
exp. i am looking to learn python as  beginner i am looking for good video
session it better if i get any lecture by indian faculty for proper
understanding.

iam looking forward from you.


advance thanks
Siva
9000163232.

From punchagan at gmail.com  Tue Jun 18 16:48:45 2013
From: punchagan at gmail.com (Puneeth Chaganti)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 20:18:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python video lectures by Indian faculty (was Re:
 regarding python)
Message-ID: <CALnw1fSD+P6afj0OeHqHJufJ6uDWi76PK-gqYG07Zitrh0Vi+g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Siva,

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Siva Ranganath <workforsiva at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am siva  working as an software engineer with 4 years of open systems
> exp. i am looking to learn python as  beginner i am looking for good video
> session it better if i get any lecture by indian faculty for proper
> understanding.

There are recorded videos [1] of a couple of days of tutorials by
Prabhu and Asokan (done as a part of the FOSSEE project in
IIT-Bombay).  The later half of the tutorial focuses on Python for
Scientific programming.

There are also spoken tutorials[2], which repackage the same content
as these lectures, but presented  using a different instruction design
approach.

[1] - http://fossee.in/videos
[2] - http://fossee.in/stvideos

--
Puneeth

Disclaimer: I worked with the FOSSEE project for a couple of years.

From thatiparthysreenivas at gmail.com  Tue Jun 18 17:57:10 2013
From: thatiparthysreenivas at gmail.com (Sreenivas Reddy T)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 21:27:10 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] regarding python
In-Reply-To: <CACW12xCHTTD+8QCCfHOHhK_No3A8shPKfer8MK5PuULTSsEAZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACW12xCHTTD+8QCCfHOHhK_No3A8shPKfer8MK5PuULTSsEAZw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEaN0UZ_n74BErbn3VsUdOKGUg1ceOzG+m+3Ecnz28u5H9QjYQ@mail.gmail.com>

This link helps  beginners a lot. http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/






Best Regards,
Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
9703888668.

"Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new !!! "
--Albert Einstein


On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Siva Ranganath <workforsiva at gmail.com>wrote:

> hello Python group,
>
>
> I am siva  working as an software engineer with 4 years of open systems
> exp. i am looking to learn python as  beginner i am looking for good video
> session it better if i get any lecture by indian faculty for proper
> understanding.
>
> iam looking forward from you.
>
>
> advance thanks
> Siva
> 9000163232.
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From me at bibhas.in  Tue Jun 18 20:52:02 2013
From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas Ch Debnath)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 00:22:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] regarding python
In-Reply-To: <CAEaN0UZ_n74BErbn3VsUdOKGUg1ceOzG+m+3Ecnz28u5H9QjYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACW12xCHTTD+8QCCfHOHhK_No3A8shPKfer8MK5PuULTSsEAZw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEaN0UZ_n74BErbn3VsUdOKGUg1ceOzG+m+3Ecnz28u5H9QjYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACavVu3o=bsTMh0jeOPp5kfd83s5f2RtfwUJ+T6xrzbLb2RVSw@mail.gmail.com>

For video tutorials for beginners, you can check Google's Python Class
videos.


----
Bibhas
http://bibhas.in


On 18 June 2013 21:27, Sreenivas Reddy T <thatiparthysreenivas at gmail.com>wrote:

> This link helps  beginners a lot. http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
> 9703888668.
>
> "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new !!! "
> --Albert Einstein
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Siva Ranganath <workforsiva at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > hello Python group,
> >
> >
> > I am siva  working as an software engineer with 4 years of open systems
> > exp. i am looking to learn python as  beginner i am looking for good
> video
> > session it better if i get any lecture by indian faculty for proper
> > understanding.
> >
> > iam looking forward from you.
> >
> >
> > advance thanks
> > Siva
> > 9000163232.
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From ashish.makani at gmail.com  Wed Jun 19 08:28:31 2013
From: ashish.makani at gmail.com (ashish makani)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 11:58:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] regarding python
In-Reply-To: <CACavVu3o=bsTMh0jeOPp5kfd83s5f2RtfwUJ+T6xrzbLb2RVSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACW12xCHTTD+8QCCfHOHhK_No3A8shPKfer8MK5PuULTSsEAZw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEaN0UZ_n74BErbn3VsUdOKGUg1ceOzG+m+3Ecnz28u5H9QjYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACavVu3o=bsTMh0jeOPp5kfd83s5f2RtfwUJ+T6xrzbLb2RVSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEX1urggn2s8J=7FeoFxBxQpyaw1vvZcx8cA-rthAks+7h9Nxw@mail.gmail.com>

I would highly recommend Mark Pilgrim's 'Dive Into Python' ebook available
freely

html : http://www.diveinto.org/python3/

pdf : http://www.bogotobogo.com/python/files/pytut/dive-into-python3.pdf

All the best Siva !

*The only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven?t found
it yet, keep looking. Don?t settle. As with all matters of the heart,
you?ll know when you find it.? - Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)*


On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:22 AM, Bibhas Ch Debnath <me at bibhas.in> wrote:

> For video tutorials for beginners, you can check Google's Python Class
> videos.
>
>
> ----
> Bibhas
> http://bibhas.in
>
>
> On 18 June 2013 21:27, Sreenivas Reddy T <thatiparthysreenivas at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > This link helps  beginners a lot. http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
> > 9703888668.
> >
> > "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new !!! "
> > --Albert Einstein
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Siva Ranganath <workforsiva at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > hello Python group,
> > >
> > >
> > > I am siva  working as an software engineer with 4 years of open systems
> > > exp. i am looking to learn python as  beginner i am looking for good
> > video
> > > session it better if i get any lecture by indian faculty for proper
> > > understanding.
> > >
> > > iam looking forward from you.
> > >
> > >
> > > advance thanks
> > > Siva
> > > 9000163232.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From dhruvbaldawa at gmail.com  Wed Jun 19 09:04:36 2013
From: dhruvbaldawa at gmail.com (Dhruv Baldawa)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 12:34:36 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] regarding python
In-Reply-To: <CAEX1urggn2s8J=7FeoFxBxQpyaw1vvZcx8cA-rthAks+7h9Nxw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACW12xCHTTD+8QCCfHOHhK_No3A8shPKfer8MK5PuULTSsEAZw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEaN0UZ_n74BErbn3VsUdOKGUg1ceOzG+m+3Ecnz28u5H9QjYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACavVu3o=bsTMh0jeOPp5kfd83s5f2RtfwUJ+T6xrzbLb2RVSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEX1urggn2s8J=7FeoFxBxQpyaw1vvZcx8cA-rthAks+7h9Nxw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAC5HnjgBptRn5shovYRjrotQ=pyqg5B-FhE5P2et0QTe8ikvjQ@mail.gmail.com>

Similar thread on Mumpy group here:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/mumpy/La6I425d8vI/EK3OZPIvygYJ

--
Dhruv Baldawa
(http://www.dhruvb.com)


On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 11:58 AM, ashish makani <ashish.makani at gmail.com>wrote:

> I would highly recommend Mark Pilgrim's 'Dive Into Python' ebook available
> freely
>
> html : http://www.diveinto.org/python3/
>
> pdf : http://www.bogotobogo.com/python/files/pytut/dive-into-python3.pdf
>
> All the best Siva !
>
> *The only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven?t found
> it yet, keep looking. Don?t settle. As with all matters of the heart,
> you?ll know when you find it.? - Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)*
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:22 AM, Bibhas Ch Debnath <me at bibhas.in> wrote:
>
> > For video tutorials for beginners, you can check Google's Python Class
> > videos.
> >
> >
> > ----
> > Bibhas
> > http://bibhas.in
> >
> >
> > On 18 June 2013 21:27, Sreenivas Reddy T <thatiparthysreenivas at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > This link helps  beginners a lot.
> http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
> > > 9703888668.
> > >
> > > "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new !!! "
> > > --Albert Einstein
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Siva Ranganath <workforsiva at gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > hello Python group,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am siva  working as an software engineer with 4 years of open
> systems
> > > > exp. i am looking to learn python as  beginner i am looking for good
> > > video
> > > > session it better if i get any lecture by indian faculty for proper
> > > > understanding.
> > > >
> > > > iam looking forward from you.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > advance thanks
> > > > Siva
> > > > 9000163232.
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From netwebsteps at gmail.com  Wed Jun 19 11:39:31 2013
From: netwebsteps at gmail.com (G.T.RAO)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 15:09:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] regarding python
In-Reply-To: <CAC5HnjgBptRn5shovYRjrotQ=pyqg5B-FhE5P2et0QTe8ikvjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACW12xCHTTD+8QCCfHOHhK_No3A8shPKfer8MK5PuULTSsEAZw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEaN0UZ_n74BErbn3VsUdOKGUg1ceOzG+m+3Ecnz28u5H9QjYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACavVu3o=bsTMh0jeOPp5kfd83s5f2RtfwUJ+T6xrzbLb2RVSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEX1urggn2s8J=7FeoFxBxQpyaw1vvZcx8cA-rthAks+7h9Nxw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC5HnjgBptRn5shovYRjrotQ=pyqg5B-FhE5P2et0QTe8ikvjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANx6DUO4CfNAcaXsCcmr+TrSmkNR57M-3DJ+_wiot+x0LcdZTg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

pl check out below links:

http://www.tutorialspoint.com/
http://docs.python.org,
http://anandology.com/python-practice-book/getting-started.html


Core Python Programming [Wesley J. Chun] (Prentice Hall PTR)
python wrestly chun 2nd edition.pdf,


Regards,



On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Dhruv Baldawa <dhruvbaldawa at gmail.com>wrote:

> Similar thread on Mumpy group here:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/mumpy/La6I425d8vI/EK3OZPIvygYJ
>
> --
> Dhruv Baldawa
> (http://www.dhruvb.com)
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 11:58 AM, ashish makani <ashish.makani at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I would highly recommend Mark Pilgrim's 'Dive Into Python' ebook
> available
> > freely
> >
> > html : http://www.diveinto.org/python3/
> >
> > pdf : http://www.bogotobogo.com/python/files/pytut/dive-into-python3.pdf
> >
> > All the best Siva !
> >
> > *The only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven?t
> found
> > it yet, keep looking. Don?t settle. As with all matters of the heart,
> > you?ll know when you find it.? - Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)*
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:22 AM, Bibhas Ch Debnath <me at bibhas.in>
> wrote:
> >
> > > For video tutorials for beginners, you can check Google's Python Class
> > > videos.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----
> > > Bibhas
> > > http://bibhas.in
> > >
> > >
> > > On 18 June 2013 21:27, Sreenivas Reddy T <
> thatiparthysreenivas at gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > This link helps  beginners a lot.
> > http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > > Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
> > > > 9703888668.
> > > >
> > > > "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new
> !!! "
> > > > --Albert Einstein
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Siva Ranganath <
> workforsiva at gmail.com
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > hello Python group,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I am siva  working as an software engineer with 4 years of open
> > systems
> > > > > exp. i am looking to learn python as  beginner i am looking for
> good
> > > > video
> > > > > session it better if i get any lecture by indian faculty for proper
> > > > > understanding.
> > > > >
> > > > > iam looking forward from you.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > advance thanks
> > > > > Siva
> > > > > 9000163232.
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
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From: anandpillai at letterboxes.org (Anand B Pillai)
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From workforsiva at gmail.com  Thu Jun 20 08:25:11 2013
From: workforsiva at gmail.com (Siva Ranganath)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:55:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] regarding python
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Thanks for replies..

Please let me know best IDE for python development.. as beginner i am
writing as Shell scripts.............

Thanks
Siva.


On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 3:09 PM, G.T.RAO <netwebsteps at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> pl check out below links:
>
> http://www.tutorialspoint.com/
> http://docs.python.org,
> http://anandology.com/python-practice-book/getting-started.html
>
>
> Core Python Programming [Wesley J. Chun] (Prentice Hall PTR)
> python wrestly chun 2nd edition.pdf,
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Dhruv Baldawa <dhruvbaldawa at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Similar thread on Mumpy group here:
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/mumpy/La6I425d8vI/EK3OZPIvygYJ
> >
> > --
> > Dhruv Baldawa
> > (http://www.dhruvb.com)
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 11:58 AM, ashish makani <ashish.makani at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > I would highly recommend Mark Pilgrim's 'Dive Into Python' ebook
> > available
> > > freely
> > >
> > > html : http://www.diveinto.org/python3/
> > >
> > > pdf :
> http://www.bogotobogo.com/python/files/pytut/dive-into-python3.pdf
> > >
> > > All the best Siva !
> > >
> > > *The only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven?t
> > found
> > > it yet, keep looking. Don?t settle. As with all matters of the heart,
> > > you?ll know when you find it.? - Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)*
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:22 AM, Bibhas Ch Debnath <me at bibhas.in>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > For video tutorials for beginners, you can check Google's Python
> Class
> > > > videos.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----
> > > > Bibhas
> > > > http://bibhas.in
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 18 June 2013 21:27, Sreenivas Reddy T <
> > thatiparthysreenivas at gmail.com
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > This link helps  beginners a lot.
> > > http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
> > > > > 9703888668.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new
> > !!! "
> > > > > --Albert Einstein
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Siva Ranganath <
> > workforsiva at gmail.com
> > > > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > hello Python group,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am siva  working as an software engineer with 4 years of open
> > > systems
> > > > > > exp. i am looking to learn python as  beginner i am looking for
> > good
> > > > > video
> > > > > > session it better if i get any lecture by indian faculty for
> proper
> > > > > > understanding.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > iam looking forward from you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > advance thanks
> > > > > > Siva
> > > > > > 9000163232.
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > > > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
>
> G.T.RAO
>
> A free software fund-a-mentaL-isT.
> http://fossyatra.wordpress.com
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From satishsagar83 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 20 08:49:42 2013
From: satishsagar83 at gmail.com (L Radhakrishna Rao)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:19:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] regarding python
In-Reply-To: <CACW12xB0dXrq-wZrONi2ju4=-Cuz0Ab5pMFOaVrubPQ6Mjh_PQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACW12xCHTTD+8QCCfHOHhK_No3A8shPKfer8MK5PuULTSsEAZw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAAZd-jRCuzkShKdMKQ1jJL-tfiNw1TEUNYak6216Kj_tRKgxRg@mail.gmail.com>

Dive into python by Mr Mark Pilgrim is a good book to start, though you
will get confused in the topics of iterators.

Regards,
Radhakrishna


On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Siva Ranganath <workforsiva at gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks for replies..
>
> Please let me know best IDE for python development.. as beginner i am
> writing as Shell scripts.............
>
> Thanks
> Siva.
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 3:09 PM, G.T.RAO <netwebsteps at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > pl check out below links:
> >
> > http://www.tutorialspoint.com/
> > http://docs.python.org,
> > http://anandology.com/python-practice-book/getting-started.html
> >
> >
> > Core Python Programming [Wesley J. Chun] (Prentice Hall PTR)
> > python wrestly chun 2nd edition.pdf,
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Dhruv Baldawa <dhruvbaldawa at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Similar thread on Mumpy group here:
> > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/mumpy/La6I425d8vI/EK3OZPIvygYJ
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dhruv Baldawa
> > > (http://www.dhruvb.com)
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 11:58 AM, ashish makani <
> ashish.makani at gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would highly recommend Mark Pilgrim's 'Dive Into Python' ebook
> > > available
> > > > freely
> > > >
> > > > html : http://www.diveinto.org/python3/
> > > >
> > > > pdf :
> > http://www.bogotobogo.com/python/files/pytut/dive-into-python3.pdf
> > > >
> > > > All the best Siva !
> > > >
> > > > *The only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven?t
> > > found
> > > > it yet, keep looking. Don?t settle. As with all matters of the heart,
> > > > you?ll know when you find it.? - Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)*
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:22 AM, Bibhas Ch Debnath <me at bibhas.in>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > For video tutorials for beginners, you can check Google's Python
> > Class
> > > > > videos.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----
> > > > > Bibhas
> > > > > http://bibhas.in
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 18 June 2013 21:27, Sreenivas Reddy T <
> > > thatiparthysreenivas at gmail.com
> > > > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > This link helps  beginners a lot.
> > > > http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > > Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
> > > > > > 9703888668.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new
> > > !!! "
> > > > > > --Albert Einstein
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Siva Ranganath <
> > > workforsiva at gmail.com
> > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > hello Python group,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am siva  working as an software engineer with 4 years of open
> > > > systems
> > > > > > > exp. i am looking to learn python as  beginner i am looking for
> > > good
> > > > > > video
> > > > > > > session it better if i get any lecture by indian faculty for
> > proper
> > > > > > > understanding.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > iam looking forward from you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > advance thanks
> > > > > > > Siva
> > > > > > > 9000163232.
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > > > > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > > > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > G.T.RAO
> >
> > A free software fund-a-mentaL-isT.
> > http://fossyatra.wordpress.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From vpuri.social at gmail.com  Thu Jun 20 09:06:27 2013
From: vpuri.social at gmail.com (Vivek Puri)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:36:27 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] regarding python
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References: <CACW12xCHTTD+8QCCfHOHhK_No3A8shPKfer8MK5PuULTSsEAZw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <51C2A9F3.6020803@gmail.com>

Hi,
> Please let me know best IDE for python development.. as beginner i am
> writing as Shell scripts.............
Best IDE is matter of familiarity and personal preference.

If you are familiar with Eclipse then you will find pydev to be useful. As
a beginner even if you are not used to Eclipse, pydev with eclipse can 
still
be a good tool.

There are some commercial IDE also available like pycharm and Komodo Ide.

If you can install ipython then a combination of good text editor and
ipython will be sufficient at this time. If you are feeling bit more
adventurous  you can also try emacs :)

rgds
vivek

-- 
http://www.machint.com


From dhruvbaldawa at gmail.com  Thu Jun 20 09:18:53 2013
From: dhruvbaldawa at gmail.com (Dhruv Baldawa)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:48:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] regarding python
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Message-ID: <CAC5HnjgvdWSqhpkpfaJcKgT35RQ+=TrvBZoLAj1L9T5TR2Mw7g@mail.gmail.com>

--
Dhruv Baldawa
(http://www.dhruvb.com)


On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Vivek Puri <vpuri.social at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>  Please let me know best IDE for python development.. as beginner i am
>> writing as Shell scripts.............
>>
> Best IDE is matter of familiarity and personal preference.
>
> If you are familiar with Eclipse then you will find pydev to be useful. As
> a beginner even if you are not used to Eclipse, pydev with eclipse can
> still
> be a good tool.
>
> There are some commercial IDE also available like pycharm and Komodo Ide.
>
> If you can install ipython then a combination of good text editor and
> ipython will be sufficient at this time. If you are feeling bit more
> adventurous  you can also try emacs :)
>
>
Instead of separate IPython and text editor, you can try
Canopy<https://enthought.com/products/canopy/>,
(Disclaimer: I work for Enthought)


> rgds
> vivek
>
> --
> http://www.machint.com
>
>
> ______________________________**_________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/bangpypers<http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers>
>

From satishsagar83 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 20 09:24:53 2013
From: satishsagar83 at gmail.com (L Radhakrishna Rao)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 12:54:53 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] regarding python
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Message-ID: <CAAZd-jQ2UrQSWWTocf+y+hqDdtvVfxiXRs4btYNi2yo8qNJV1A@mail.gmail.com>

Don't start with IDE, rather, take a note pad and compile the python files.
It will be a good learning.

I use Aptana studio now, though I had started with notepad.


On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Dhruv Baldawa <dhruvbaldawa at gmail.com>wrote:

> --
> Dhruv Baldawa
> (http://www.dhruvb.com)
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Vivek Puri <vpuri.social at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> >  Please let me know best IDE for python development.. as beginner i am
> >> writing as Shell scripts.............
> >>
> > Best IDE is matter of familiarity and personal preference.
> >
> > If you are familiar with Eclipse then you will find pydev to be useful.
> As
> > a beginner even if you are not used to Eclipse, pydev with eclipse can
> > still
> > be a good tool.
> >
> > There are some commercial IDE also available like pycharm and Komodo Ide.
> >
> > If you can install ipython then a combination of good text editor and
> > ipython will be sufficient at this time. If you are feeling bit more
> > adventurous  you can also try emacs :)
> >
> >
> Instead of separate IPython and text editor, you can try
> Canopy<https://enthought.com/products/canopy/>,
> (Disclaimer: I work for Enthought)
>
>
> > rgds
> > vivek
> >
> > --
> > http://www.machint.com
> >
> >
> > ______________________________**_________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/**mailman/listinfo/bangpypers<
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers>
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From prash.bg at gmail.com  Thu Jun 20 09:36:09 2013
From: prash.bg at gmail.com (prashanth B.G)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 13:06:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] regarding python
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Hi,

    Best thing to learn any new language is not to use IDE initially . Just
plain notepad / Notepad++ (has syntax highlighting) with a console to run
the code. You can also use IDLE which comes with python though it doesn't
give you the IDE feel. gvim will also serve the purpose since it is vim +
gui (don't have to worry about vi's strange keys :-)) .

Hope this helps .

Thanks.


On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 12:54 PM, L Radhakrishna Rao <
satishsagar83 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Don't start with IDE, rather, take a note pad and compile the python files.
> It will be a good learning.
>
> I use Aptana studio now, though I had started with notepad.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Dhruv Baldawa <dhruvbaldawa at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > --
> > Dhruv Baldawa
> > (http://www.dhruvb.com)
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Vivek Puri <vpuri.social at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > >  Please let me know best IDE for python development.. as beginner i am
> > >> writing as Shell scripts.............
> > >>
> > > Best IDE is matter of familiarity and personal preference.
> > >
> > > If you are familiar with Eclipse then you will find pydev to be useful.
> > As
> > > a beginner even if you are not used to Eclipse, pydev with eclipse can
> > > still
> > > be a good tool.
> > >
> > > There are some commercial IDE also available like pycharm and Komodo
> Ide.
> > >
> > > If you can install ipython then a combination of good text editor and
> > > ipython will be sufficient at this time. If you are feeling bit more
> > > adventurous  you can also try emacs :)
> > >
> > >
> > Instead of separate IPython and text editor, you can try
> > Canopy<https://enthought.com/products/canopy/>,
> > (Disclaimer: I work for Enthought)
> >
> >
> > > rgds
> > > vivek
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.machint.com
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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                         Prashanth

From ganu.ullu at gmail.com  Thu Jun 20 20:06:20 2013
From: ganu.ullu at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?YW5rdXIgfiDgpIXgpILgpJXgpYHgpLA=?=)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2013 23:36:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] regarding python
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HI,

If you love to view all conference videos then check.

http://pyvideo.org/

And one more

http://showmedo.com/videotutorials/python

Thank You,
Ankur.




On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 3:09 PM, G.T.RAO <netwebsteps at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> pl check out below links:
>
> http://www.tutorialspoint.com/
> http://docs.python.org,
> http://anandology.com/python-practice-book/getting-started.html
>
>
> Core Python Programming [Wesley J. Chun] (Prentice Hall PTR)
> python wrestly chun 2nd edition.pdf,
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Dhruv Baldawa <dhruvbaldawa at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Similar thread on Mumpy group here:
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/mumpy/La6I425d8vI/EK3OZPIvygYJ
> >
> > --
> > Dhruv Baldawa
> > (http://www.dhruvb.com)
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 11:58 AM, ashish makani <ashish.makani at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > I would highly recommend Mark Pilgrim's 'Dive Into Python' ebook
> > available
> > > freely
> > >
> > > html : http://www.diveinto.org/python3/
> > >
> > > pdf :
> http://www.bogotobogo.com/python/files/pytut/dive-into-python3.pdf
> > >
> > > All the best Siva !
> > >
> > > *The only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven?t
> > found
> > > it yet, keep looking. Don?t settle. As with all matters of the heart,
> > > you?ll know when you find it.? - Steve Jobs (1955 - 2011)*
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 12:22 AM, Bibhas Ch Debnath <me at bibhas.in>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > For video tutorials for beginners, you can check Google's Python
> Class
> > > > videos.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----
> > > > Bibhas
> > > > http://bibhas.in
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 18 June 2013 21:27, Sreenivas Reddy T <
> > thatiparthysreenivas at gmail.com
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > This link helps  beginners a lot.
> > > http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > Srinivas Reddy Thatiparthy
> > > > > 9703888668.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new
> > !!! "
> > > > > --Albert Einstein
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Siva Ranganath <
> > workforsiva at gmail.com
> > > > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > hello Python group,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am siva  working as an software engineer with 4 years of open
> > > systems
> > > > > > exp. i am looking to learn python as  beginner i am looking for
> > good
> > > > > video
> > > > > > session it better if i get any lecture by indian faculty for
> proper
> > > > > > understanding.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > iam looking forward from you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > advance thanks
> > > > > > Siva
> > > > > > 9000163232.
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > > > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
>
> G.T.RAO
>
> A free software fund-a-mentaL-isT.
> http://fossyatra.wordpress.com
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From svaksha at gmail.com  Fri Jun 21 07:27:31 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktw==?=)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 05:27:31 +0000
Subject: [BangPypers] regarding python
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On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Dhruv Baldawa <dhruvbaldawa at gmail.com> wrote:
> --
> Dhruv Baldawa
> (http://www.dhruvb.com)
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Vivek Puri <vpuri.social at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>  Please let me know best IDE for python development.. as beginner i am

0. SPE - Stani's Python Editor
1. Spyder
2. Geany

All of which are available as packages for the common /popular Linux distros.

> Instead of separate IPython and text editor, you can try
> Canopy<https://enthought.com/products/canopy/>,

You might want to mention that canopy-1.0.0-rh5-32.sh is an installer
only for RedHat, precisely RH5 or above.

-- 
svaksha ? http://svaksha.com ?

From dhruvbaldawa at gmail.com  Fri Jun 21 07:41:09 2013
From: dhruvbaldawa at gmail.com (Dhruv Baldawa)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 11:11:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] regarding python
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--
Dhruv Baldawa
(http://www.dhruvb.com)


On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 10:57 AM, ?????? <svaksha at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Dhruv Baldawa <dhruvbaldawa at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > --
> > Dhruv Baldawa
> > (http://www.dhruvb.com)
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Vivek Puri <vpuri.social at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >>  Please let me know best IDE for python development.. as beginner i am
>
> 0. SPE - Stani's Python Editor
> 1. Spyder
> 2. Geany
>
> All of which are available as packages for the common /popular Linux
> distros.
>
> > Instead of separate IPython and text editor, you can try
> > Canopy<https://enthought.com/products/canopy/>,
>
> You might want to mention that canopy-1.0.0-rh5-32.sh is an installer
> only for RedHat, precisely RH5 or above.
>
>
No, thats not the case.
Althought still in beta, our users have been using it in Fedora, CentOS,
Ubuntu 12.04+ and Archlinux also.


> --
> svaksha ? http://svaksha.com ?
> _______________________________________________
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> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From workforsiva at gmail.com  Fri Jun 21 08:03:29 2013
From: workforsiva at gmail.com (Siva Ranganath)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 11:33:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] regarding python
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Thanks for python group.

I have some hands on Eclipse. so i will go with Eclipse . the basic
programs i will start on VI editor.
thanks for everybody who have replied for my mail.I am expecting the same
support from the community to make my python learning course success.

Thanks
Siva
9000163232.


On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Dhruv Baldawa <dhruvbaldawa at gmail.com>wrote:

> --
> Dhruv Baldawa
> (http://www.dhruvb.com)
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 10:57 AM, ?????? <svaksha at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Dhruv Baldawa <dhruvbaldawa at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > --
> > > Dhruv Baldawa
> > > (http://www.dhruvb.com)
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Vivek Puri <vpuri.social at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >>  Please let me know best IDE for python development.. as beginner i am
> >
> > 0. SPE - Stani's Python Editor
> > 1. Spyder
> > 2. Geany
> >
> > All of which are available as packages for the common /popular Linux
> > distros.
> >
> > > Instead of separate IPython and text editor, you can try
> > > Canopy<https://enthought.com/products/canopy/>,
> >
> > You might want to mention that canopy-1.0.0-rh5-32.sh is an installer
> > only for RedHat, precisely RH5 or above.
> >
> >
> No, thats not the case.
> Althought still in beta, our users have been using it in Fedora, CentOS,
> Ubuntu 12.04+ and Archlinux also.
>
>
> > --
> > svaksha ? http://svaksha.com ?
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From mandarvaze at gmail.com  Fri Jun 21 09:04:13 2013
From: mandarvaze at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?TWFuZGFyIFZhemUgLyDgpK7gpILgpKbgpL7gpLAg4KS14KSd4KWH?=)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 12:34:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] regarding python
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> > > Instead of separate IPython and text editor, you can try
> > > Canopy<https://enthought.com/products/canopy/>,
>

After the above email - I have downloaded Canopy.


> > You might want to mention that canopy-1.0.0-rh5-32.sh is an installer
> > only for RedHat, precisely RH5 or above.
> >
> >
> No, thats not the case.
> Althought still in beta, our users have been using it in Fedora, CentOS,
> Ubuntu 12.04+ and Archlinux also.
>

I plan to use it with Linux Mint 14 (Ubuntu derivative)
Considering it (Canopy) installs itself in a separate folder - I don't see
any problem getting it to work on any linux flavour.

Will let you know how it goes.

-Mandar

From svaksha at gmail.com  Fri Jun 21 09:24:44 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktw==?=)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 07:24:44 +0000
Subject: [BangPypers] regarding python
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On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Dhruv Baldawa <dhruvbaldawa at gmail.com> wrote:
> No, thats not the case.
> Althought still in beta, our users have been using it in Fedora, CentOS,
> Ubuntu 12.04+ and Archlinux also.

hmm......should have saved the error message it threw on Ubuntu13.04.
Will try it again and report.

svaksha ? http://svaksha.com ?

From punchagan at gmail.com  Fri Jun 21 09:34:22 2013
From: punchagan at gmail.com (Puneeth Chaganti)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 13:04:22 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] regarding python
In-Reply-To: <CAN9ztG8nva+H5VFVrdBUVHf=g-EKzY2e6aO2xbH8eP+b934AkQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACW12xCHTTD+8QCCfHOHhK_No3A8shPKfer8MK5PuULTSsEAZw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<51C2A9F3.6020803@gmail.com>
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	<CAC5HnjhWvaDC8zXM90_f105j=qDzMC8fbMsfXn+e4FWOy11Aug@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN9ztG8nva+H5VFVrdBUVHf=g-EKzY2e6aO2xbH8eP+b934AkQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALnw1fQxf2d6RSVJ9HZ2yCovFOBbCRWxbMcAsfYKp-Bq+yToYg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 12:54 PM, ?????? <svaksha at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Dhruv Baldawa <dhruvbaldawa at gmail.com> wrote:
>> No, thats not the case.
>> Althought still in beta, our users have been using it in Fedora, CentOS,
>> Ubuntu 12.04+ and Archlinux also.
>
> hmm......should have saved the error message it threw on Ubuntu13.04.
> Will try it again and report.

There are known issues with some distributions of Linux.  These have
been fixed, and an update is just round the corner.  You could,
possibly, wait until then.

From svaksha at gmail.com  Fri Jun 21 10:02:09 2013
From: svaksha at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?IOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktw==?=)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 08:02:09 +0000
Subject: [BangPypers] regarding python
In-Reply-To: <CALnw1fQxf2d6RSVJ9HZ2yCovFOBbCRWxbMcAsfYKp-Bq+yToYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACW12xCHTTD+8QCCfHOHhK_No3A8shPKfer8MK5PuULTSsEAZw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 7:34 AM, Puneeth Chaganti <punchagan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> There are known issues with some distributions of Linux.  These have
> been fixed, and an update is just round the corner.  You could,
> possibly, wait until then.

Is there a dev-list where I can track announcements?

Fwiw, http://dpaste.com/1259207/, is the (part) output of the shell
file. I'm assuming the initial download of the shell script was
somehow corrupted!? Just tried to pull the shell file again and after
about 10 min, the download failed.

-- 
svaksha ? http://svaksha.com ?

From sahil2422 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 21 13:08:35 2013
From: sahil2422 at gmail.com (sahil chug)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 16:38:35 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] looking for Django/Python Developer
Message-ID: <CAEE5ZoB1iz3ompygBU62odFwQ-jzLEVOq3aoOMVwDUdtMUOrww@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, we at p3infotech.in work on Django , python. We are focused on Cloud
Computing technologies. We have recently launched a small product
https://s3search.p3-labs.com to do search and analytics on your AWS S3
Data.
We are looking for 1-3 years who have experience in Python, web development
and can fit into startup culture. Knowledge of Django is a plus.
For more info just drop an email to: sahil at p3infotech.in
-- 
*sahil* chug

From kunal.t2 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 22 18:06:32 2013
From: kunal.t2 at gmail.com (Kunal Ghosh)
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 21:36:32 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11 and 12
In-Reply-To: <CAJvP6q4UP=0VATT+tmMJcERaz5W4wes6yoes8k8PH5J0X3iXSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJvP6q4UP=0VATT+tmMJcERaz5W4wes6yoes8k8PH5J0X3iXSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJvP6q49HSDjhct3AKpTdXm5caezGT+vCOXg56__jojKLDc1rA@mail.gmail.com>

Here is the circular ,

http://cbseacademic.in/web_material/Circulars/2013/31_Computer_Science_Curriculum.pdf

just thought I'd share.

Kunal Ghosh

From piyushmadan2009 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 22 21:02:43 2013
From: piyushmadan2009 at gmail.com (Piyush)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 00:32:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <CAJvP6q49HSDjhct3AKpTdXm5caezGT+vCOXg56__jojKLDc1rA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJvP6q4UP=0VATT+tmMJcERaz5W4wes6yoes8k8PH5J0X3iXSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJvP6q49HSDjhct3AKpTdXm5caezGT+vCOXg56__jojKLDc1rA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP64m+Fz2h5=dT8L0L_8NEZzHnRBMxJqCwfTar8C-6+dE_=mFw@mail.gmail.com>

This is really good!
However, finding teachers who could teach will be a big problem.

From satishsagar83 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 23 08:31:24 2013
From: satishsagar83 at gmail.com (L Radhakrishna Rao)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 12:01:24 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <CAP64m+Fz2h5=dT8L0L_8NEZzHnRBMxJqCwfTar8C-6+dE_=mFw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJvP6q4UP=0VATT+tmMJcERaz5W4wes6yoes8k8PH5J0X3iXSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJvP6q49HSDjhct3AKpTdXm5caezGT+vCOXg56__jojKLDc1rA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP64m+Fz2h5=dT8L0L_8NEZzHnRBMxJqCwfTar8C-6+dE_=mFw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAZd-jR1mAG=RAyLy-zj8zchgfWc4p+piRoUHGo1faNarv2Efg@mail.gmail.com>

Oh man

I am so HAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPY

Because I had chosen HINDI as my fifth subject.

And GOD, all my Percentage went down

Even though my best 4 are 87.25 ( PCME)

Also, teaching python will be fun, as the instructor will himself enjoy
this.

And kids will be able to apply mathematics, physics, chemistry and bio with
python.

All win-win.


On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 12:32 AM, Piyush <piyushmadan2009 at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is really good!
> However, finding teachers who could teach will be a big problem.
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Sun Jun 23 08:53:20 2013
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 12:23:20 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <CAP64m+Fz2h5=dT8L0L_8NEZzHnRBMxJqCwfTar8C-6+dE_=mFw@mail.gmail.com>
	(Piyush's message of "Sun, 23 Jun 2013 00:32:43 +0530")
References: <CAJvP6q4UP=0VATT+tmMJcERaz5W4wes6yoes8k8PH5J0X3iXSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJvP6q49HSDjhct3AKpTdXm5caezGT+vCOXg56__jojKLDc1rA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP64m+Fz2h5=dT8L0L_8NEZzHnRBMxJqCwfTar8C-6+dE_=mFw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87wqplpbbz.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>

Piyush <piyushmadan2009 at gmail.com> writes:

> This is really good!
> However, finding teachers who could teach will be a big problem.

I expect that to be the problem too. 

The Kerala IT at School syllabus[1] is way ahead of CBSE in open source
adoption and has been teaching Python from class 8. I looked at some of
their textbooks and it's really good but like with all things at school,
it's a subject to pass and to get marks in. The usual methods of
mugging, cheating and others are employed and even silently approved of
by the teachers.

The end result is pretty much the same. 

[...]



Footnotes: 
[1]  https://www.itschool.gov.in/

-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From baiju.m.mail at gmail.com  Sun Jun 23 10:18:58 2013
From: baiju.m.mail at gmail.com (Baiju M)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 13:48:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <87wqplpbbz.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
References: <CAJvP6q4UP=0VATT+tmMJcERaz5W4wes6yoes8k8PH5J0X3iXSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJvP6q49HSDjhct3AKpTdXm5caezGT+vCOXg56__jojKLDc1rA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP64m+Fz2h5=dT8L0L_8NEZzHnRBMxJqCwfTar8C-6+dE_=mFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87wqplpbbz.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
Message-ID: <CAN8ZCbz=Mtt=ii-=_OhNCnndCiDhvzBVwReOwEbRKanPivpDtQ@mail.gmail.com>

How about creating a website with resources for teachers and students?
BangPypers is one of the oldest Python community from India. So, I think it
would be great to do it as a community project. Anyone interested ?
On Jun 23, 2013 12:23 PM, "Noufal Ibrahim" <noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote:

> Piyush <piyushmadan2009 at gmail.com> writes:
>
> > This is really good!
> > However, finding teachers who could teach will be a big problem.
>
> I expect that to be the problem too.
>
> The Kerala IT at School syllabus[1] is way ahead of CBSE in open source
> adoption and has been teaching Python from class 8. I looked at some of
> their textbooks and it's really good but like with all things at school,
> it's a subject to pass and to get marks in. The usual methods of
> mugging, cheating and others are employed and even silently approved of
> by the teachers.
>
> The end result is pretty much the same.
>
> [...]
>
>
>
> Footnotes:
> [1]  https://www.itschool.gov.in/
>
> --
> Cordially,
> Noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Sun Jun 23 10:55:18 2013
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 14:25:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <CAN8ZCbz=Mtt=ii-=_OhNCnndCiDhvzBVwReOwEbRKanPivpDtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	(Baiju M.'s message of "Sun, 23 Jun 2013 13:48:58 +0530")
References: <CAJvP6q4UP=0VATT+tmMJcERaz5W4wes6yoes8k8PH5J0X3iXSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJvP6q49HSDjhct3AKpTdXm5caezGT+vCOXg56__jojKLDc1rA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP64m+Fz2h5=dT8L0L_8NEZzHnRBMxJqCwfTar8C-6+dE_=mFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87wqplpbbz.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAN8ZCbz=Mtt=ii-=_OhNCnndCiDhvzBVwReOwEbRKanPivpDtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87r4ftp5op.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>

Baiju M <baiju.m.mail at gmail.com> writes:

> How about creating a website with resources for teachers and students?
> BangPypers is one of the oldest Python community from India. So, I
> think it would be great to do it as a community project. Anyone
> interested ?

I'm definitely interested. One of my plans since moving back to Kerala
is to create something like this. I haven't had the time to brood over
it yet though. 

[...]


-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From baiju.m.mail at gmail.com  Sun Jun 23 13:03:02 2013
From: baiju.m.mail at gmail.com (Baiju M)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 16:33:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <87r4ftp5op.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
References: <CAJvP6q4UP=0VATT+tmMJcERaz5W4wes6yoes8k8PH5J0X3iXSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJvP6q49HSDjhct3AKpTdXm5caezGT+vCOXg56__jojKLDc1rA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP64m+Fz2h5=dT8L0L_8NEZzHnRBMxJqCwfTar8C-6+dE_=mFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87wqplpbbz.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAN8ZCbz=Mtt=ii-=_OhNCnndCiDhvzBVwReOwEbRKanPivpDtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<87r4ftp5op.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
Message-ID: <CAN8ZCbxEf0Pxp+2HCHeJZG8D8M4hMy4w0Y6xi_+B6Sm1eOPnzg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Anand,

I need some help with a domain & git repo for this project. I am thinking
to use  http://education.python.org.in
The git repo: https://github.com/pythonindia/education

Please add my github Id to that repo: baijum

Also please setup a CNAME as given here:

http://read-the-docs.readthedocs.org/en/latest/alternate_domains.html

Noufal, please send your RTD Id, so that I can add you as an admin.
 On Jun 23, 2013 2:25 PM, "Noufal Ibrahim" <noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote:

> Baiju M <baiju.m.mail at gmail.com> writes:
>
> > How about creating a website with resources for teachers and students?
> > BangPypers is one of the oldest Python community from India. So, I
> > think it would be great to do it as a community project. Anyone
> > interested ?
>
> I'm definitely interested. One of my plans since moving back to Kerala
> is to create something like this. I haven't had the time to brood over
> it yet though.
>
> [...]
>
>
> --
> Cordially,
> Noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
>

From nitin.nitp at gmail.com  Sun Jun 23 14:54:41 2013
From: nitin.nitp at gmail.com (Nitin Kumar)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 18:24:41 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <CAN8ZCbxEf0Pxp+2HCHeJZG8D8M4hMy4w0Y6xi_+B6Sm1eOPnzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJvP6q4UP=0VATT+tmMJcERaz5W4wes6yoes8k8PH5J0X3iXSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJvP6q49HSDjhct3AKpTdXm5caezGT+vCOXg56__jojKLDc1rA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP64m+Fz2h5=dT8L0L_8NEZzHnRBMxJqCwfTar8C-6+dE_=mFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87wqplpbbz.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAN8ZCbz=Mtt=ii-=_OhNCnndCiDhvzBVwReOwEbRKanPivpDtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<87r4ftp5op.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAN8ZCbxEf0Pxp+2HCHeJZG8D8M4hMy4w0Y6xi_+B6Sm1eOPnzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALqiT-t52vqBjVdj+bcjnRRp-3srAhWxtYEEXFP-QoAw+iBbyA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I even started writing a book for the same long back.
http://www.slideshare.net/nitinnitp/python-xi-copy

But the bad news came by that time. CBSE announced that now it not only
Python, we can opt between Python and C++ after big protest from schools.

DAV already announced they will go with C++ only. I guess KV is also doing
the same. Even school wont be able to get so much of teacher for Python
(might be c++ teacher only go ahead and take Python).

I even tried contacting many schools for free Python classes, but the reply
was "we already have comp science teacher and we are sticking to c++ only"
:)


Nitin K


On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Baiju M <baiju.m.mail at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Anand,
>
> I need some help with a domain & git repo for this project. I am thinking
> to use  http://education.python.org.in
> The git repo: https://github.com/pythonindia/education
>
> Please add my github Id to that repo: baijum
>
> Also please setup a CNAME as given here:
>
> http://read-the-docs.readthedocs.org/en/latest/alternate_domains.html
>
> Noufal, please send your RTD Id, so that I can add you as an admin.
>  On Jun 23, 2013 2:25 PM, "Noufal Ibrahim" <noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote:
>
> > Baiju M <baiju.m.mail at gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > > How about creating a website with resources for teachers and students?
> > > BangPypers is one of the oldest Python community from India. So, I
> > > think it would be great to do it as a community project. Anyone
> > > interested ?
> >
> > I'm definitely interested. One of my plans since moving back to Kerala
> > is to create something like this. I haven't had the time to brood over
> > it yet though.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cordially,
> > Noufal
> > http://nibrahim.net.in
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From anandology at gmail.com  Sun Jun 23 15:06:43 2013
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 18:36:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <CAN8ZCbxEf0Pxp+2HCHeJZG8D8M4hMy4w0Y6xi_+B6Sm1eOPnzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJvP6q4UP=0VATT+tmMJcERaz5W4wes6yoes8k8PH5J0X3iXSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJvP6q49HSDjhct3AKpTdXm5caezGT+vCOXg56__jojKLDc1rA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP64m+Fz2h5=dT8L0L_8NEZzHnRBMxJqCwfTar8C-6+dE_=mFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87wqplpbbz.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAN8ZCbz=Mtt=ii-=_OhNCnndCiDhvzBVwReOwEbRKanPivpDtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<87r4ftp5op.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAN8ZCbxEf0Pxp+2HCHeJZG8D8M4hMy4w0Y6xi_+B6Sm1eOPnzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAC7wXFwtg+-5Gto89x8sMfEQEr3+_7bwD9VFjLj2y0EYuJ_xXQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Baiju M <baiju.m.mail at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Anand,
>
> I need some help with a domain & git repo for this project. I am thinking
> to use  http://education.python.org.in
> The git repo: https://github.com/pythonindia/education
>
> Please add my github Id to that repo: baijum
>
> Also please setup a CNAME as given here:
>
> http://read-the-docs.readthedocs.org/en/latest/alternate_domains.html
>
> Noufal, please send your RTD Id, so that I can add you as an admin.
>

Baiju,

I've added you as admin to pythonindia org. You can now create your own
repos. Please let me know where the CNAME should be pointed to setup the
DNS.

Anand

From satyaakam at gmail.com  Sun Jun 23 16:58:52 2013
From: satyaakam at gmail.com (satyaakam goswami)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 20:28:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <CAN8ZCbz=Mtt=ii-=_OhNCnndCiDhvzBVwReOwEbRKanPivpDtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJvP6q4UP=0VATT+tmMJcERaz5W4wes6yoes8k8PH5J0X3iXSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJvP6q49HSDjhct3AKpTdXm5caezGT+vCOXg56__jojKLDc1rA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP64m+Fz2h5=dT8L0L_8NEZzHnRBMxJqCwfTar8C-6+dE_=mFw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAN8ZCbz=Mtt=ii-=_OhNCnndCiDhvzBVwReOwEbRKanPivpDtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALre89mkVfPgvsHTHfNZ+VedtKCnofFB7eDyXW5YRg924R9=0A@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Baiju M <baiju.m.mail at gmail.com> wrote:

> How about creating a website with resources for teachers and students?
> BangPypers is one of the oldest Python community from India. So, I think it
> would be great to do it as a community project. Anyone interested ?
>

Sure 

let us know i would be interested , also checking on the repos i recalled
last year there was an effort to put things together for this years pycon
as a Handbook
https://github.com/pythonindia/pyconindia-handbook
 too.



-Satya
Satyaakam.net <http://satyaakam.net/> | fossevents.in | fossacademy.org

From anandology at gmail.com  Mon Jun 24 03:45:12 2013
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 07:15:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <87r4ftp5op.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
References: <CAJvP6q4UP=0VATT+tmMJcERaz5W4wes6yoes8k8PH5J0X3iXSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJvP6q49HSDjhct3AKpTdXm5caezGT+vCOXg56__jojKLDc1rA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP64m+Fz2h5=dT8L0L_8NEZzHnRBMxJqCwfTar8C-6+dE_=mFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87wqplpbbz.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAN8ZCbz=Mtt=ii-=_OhNCnndCiDhvzBVwReOwEbRKanPivpDtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<87r4ftp5op.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
Message-ID: <CAC7wXFxSmmUbt264x5NRFV_MrT0uskbCyVoUOrUHmDovk0xQyg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>wrote:

> Baiju M <baiju.m.mail at gmail.com> writes:
>
> > How about creating a website with resources for teachers and students?
> > BangPypers is one of the oldest Python community from India. So, I
> > think it would be great to do it as a community project. Anyone
> > interested ?
>
> I'm definitely interested. One of my plans since moving back to Kerala
> is to create something like this. I haven't had the time to brood over
> it yet though.
>

Why don't we have a panel discussion about Python in schools at PyCon
India? We can invite officials from education departments and discuss about
how to effectively use Python and what support can be provided from the
community. We can plan to write some books or create some material if
required.  After the panel discussion, we can have a BoF or an open space
discussing it in detail.

I think we have (or can raise) enough money to support travel
and accommodation of couple of officials from government.

What do you think?

Anand

From baiju.m.mail at gmail.com  Mon Jun 24 03:54:38 2013
From: baiju.m.mail at gmail.com (Baiju M)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 07:24:38 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <CAC7wXFxSmmUbt264x5NRFV_MrT0uskbCyVoUOrUHmDovk0xQyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJvP6q4UP=0VATT+tmMJcERaz5W4wes6yoes8k8PH5J0X3iXSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJvP6q49HSDjhct3AKpTdXm5caezGT+vCOXg56__jojKLDc1rA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP64m+Fz2h5=dT8L0L_8NEZzHnRBMxJqCwfTar8C-6+dE_=mFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87wqplpbbz.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAN8ZCbz=Mtt=ii-=_OhNCnndCiDhvzBVwReOwEbRKanPivpDtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<87r4ftp5op.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAC7wXFxSmmUbt264x5NRFV_MrT0uskbCyVoUOrUHmDovk0xQyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN8ZCbxzk1Q500suVMd7Rs=cfunTsCbTwXfbzDkwLmGA6EjUKQ@mail.gmail.com>

+1 for this idea

I don't have much contact with government officials who works on education.
So, if anyone else can help here that would be great.


On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>wrote:
>
>> Baiju M <baiju.m.mail at gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > How about creating a website with resources for teachers and students?
>> > BangPypers is one of the oldest Python community from India. So, I
>> > think it would be great to do it as a community project. Anyone
>> > interested ?
>>
>> I'm definitely interested. One of my plans since moving back to Kerala
>> is to create something like this. I haven't had the time to brood over
>> it yet though.
>>
>
> Why don't we have a panel discussion about Python in schools at PyCon
> India? We can invite officials from education departments and discuss about
> how to effectively use Python and what support can be provided from the
> community. We can plan to write some books or create some material if
> required.  After the panel discussion, we can have a BoF or an open space
> discussing it in detail.
>
> I think we have (or can raise) enough money to support travel
> and accommodation of couple of officials from government.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Anand
>
>
>
>
>
>

From satyaakam at gmail.com  Mon Jun 24 04:01:45 2013
From: satyaakam at gmail.com (satyaakam goswami)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 07:31:45 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <CAC7wXFxSmmUbt264x5NRFV_MrT0uskbCyVoUOrUHmDovk0xQyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJvP6q4UP=0VATT+tmMJcERaz5W4wes6yoes8k8PH5J0X3iXSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJvP6q49HSDjhct3AKpTdXm5caezGT+vCOXg56__jojKLDc1rA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP64m+Fz2h5=dT8L0L_8NEZzHnRBMxJqCwfTar8C-6+dE_=mFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87wqplpbbz.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAN8ZCbz=Mtt=ii-=_OhNCnndCiDhvzBVwReOwEbRKanPivpDtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<87r4ftp5op.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAC7wXFxSmmUbt264x5NRFV_MrT0uskbCyVoUOrUHmDovk0xQyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALre89n8tZ3km30iM0R0i06miq+SSbsJRXRD6qiuxEkGFBFqFw@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Why don't we have a panel discussion about Python in schools at PyCon
> India? We can invite officials from education departments and discuss about
> how to effectively use Python and what support can be provided from the
> community. We can plan to write some books or create some material if
> required.  After the panel discussion, we can have a BoF or an open space
> discussing it in detail.
>

Yes all this is fine ,anyway afaik its on the mandate of erstwhile IPSS
anyway . So may be this is a good time and trigger to get this activity
started.


I think we have (or can raise) enough money to support travel
> and accommodation of couple of officials from government.
>

i was thinking the other way round , funding to the people who will help
them learn.


> What do you think?
>


-Satya
Satyaakam.net <http://satyaakam.net/> | fossevents.in | fossacademy.org

From satyaakam at gmail.com  Mon Jun 24 04:02:00 2013
From: satyaakam at gmail.com (satyaakam goswami)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 07:32:00 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <CAN8ZCbxzk1Q500suVMd7Rs=cfunTsCbTwXfbzDkwLmGA6EjUKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJvP6q4UP=0VATT+tmMJcERaz5W4wes6yoes8k8PH5J0X3iXSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJvP6q49HSDjhct3AKpTdXm5caezGT+vCOXg56__jojKLDc1rA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP64m+Fz2h5=dT8L0L_8NEZzHnRBMxJqCwfTar8C-6+dE_=mFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87wqplpbbz.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAN8ZCbz=Mtt=ii-=_OhNCnndCiDhvzBVwReOwEbRKanPivpDtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<87r4ftp5op.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAC7wXFxSmmUbt264x5NRFV_MrT0uskbCyVoUOrUHmDovk0xQyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN8ZCbxzk1Q500suVMd7Rs=cfunTsCbTwXfbzDkwLmGA6EjUKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALre89nWFgpDYzSZGaZ+w=pZRRRwxYH6DHf_x2Gq3PjDbrBrsA@mail.gmail.com>

-Satya
Satyaakam.net | fossevents.in | fossacademy.org


On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Baiju M <baiju.m.mail at gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 for this idea
>
> I don't have much contact with government officials who works on education.
> So, if anyone else can help here that would be great.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at nibrahim.net.in
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Baiju M <baiju.m.mail at gmail.com> writes:
> >>
> >> > How about creating a website with resources for teachers and students?
> >> > BangPypers is one of the oldest Python community from India. So, I
> >> > think it would be great to do it as a community project. Anyone
> >> > interested ?
> >>
> >> I'm definitely interested. One of my plans since moving back to Kerala
> >> is to create something like this. I haven't had the time to brood over
> >> it yet though.
> >>
> >
> > Why don't we have a panel discussion about Python in schools at PyCon
> > India? We can invite officials from education departments and discuss
> about
> > how to effectively use Python and what support can be provided from the
> > community. We can plan to write some books or create some material if
> > required.  After the panel discussion, we can have a BoF or an open space
> > discussing it in detail.
> >
> > I think we have (or can raise) enough money to support travel
> > and accommodation of couple of officials from government.
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> > Anand
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From satyaakam at gmail.com  Mon Jun 24 04:04:32 2013
From: satyaakam at gmail.com (satyaakam goswami)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 07:34:32 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <CAN8ZCbxzk1Q500suVMd7Rs=cfunTsCbTwXfbzDkwLmGA6EjUKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJvP6q4UP=0VATT+tmMJcERaz5W4wes6yoes8k8PH5J0X3iXSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJvP6q49HSDjhct3AKpTdXm5caezGT+vCOXg56__jojKLDc1rA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP64m+Fz2h5=dT8L0L_8NEZzHnRBMxJqCwfTar8C-6+dE_=mFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87wqplpbbz.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAN8ZCbz=Mtt=ii-=_OhNCnndCiDhvzBVwReOwEbRKanPivpDtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<87r4ftp5op.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAC7wXFxSmmUbt264x5NRFV_MrT0uskbCyVoUOrUHmDovk0xQyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN8ZCbxzk1Q500suVMd7Rs=cfunTsCbTwXfbzDkwLmGA6EjUKQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Baiju M <baiju.m.mail at gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 for this idea
>
> I don't have much contact with government officials who works on education.
> So, if anyone else can help here that would be great.
>

oops for the last blank mail , yes i can take care of this , what
contacts are we seeking what is that we can offer them and what is that we
are expecting from them, would help start the conversation.

-Satya
Satyaakam.net <http://satyaakam.net/> | fossevents.in | fossacademy.org

From baiju.m.mail at gmail.com  Mon Jun 24 04:36:46 2013
From: baiju.m.mail at gmail.com (Baiju M)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 08:06:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <CAC7wXFwtg+-5Gto89x8sMfEQEr3+_7bwD9VFjLj2y0EYuJ_xXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJvP6q4UP=0VATT+tmMJcERaz5W4wes6yoes8k8PH5J0X3iXSQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAP64m+Fz2h5=dT8L0L_8NEZzHnRBMxJqCwfTar8C-6+dE_=mFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87wqplpbbz.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAN8ZCbz=Mtt=ii-=_OhNCnndCiDhvzBVwReOwEbRKanPivpDtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<87r4ftp5op.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAN8ZCbxEf0Pxp+2HCHeJZG8D8M4hMy4w0Y6xi_+B6Sm1eOPnzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC7wXFwtg+-5Gto89x8sMfEQEr3+_7bwD9VFjLj2y0EYuJ_xXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN8ZCbzfPGTmJT0_ae_ZU5Ri3C93aeOQknU_=L7AqhM9Ham3wA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Anand for adding me to the "pythonindia" organization in Github !

You can point the CNAME entry here: python-education-india.readthedocs.org.

I have created a git repo with basic Sphinx ( http://sphinx-doc.org/ ) template
here:
https://github.com/pythonindia/education

Also I have created a Github team under "pythonindia" organization named:
"Python for Education in India" This team has push/pull access to the above
mentioned repo. These are the current team member Ids: baijum,  satyaakam,
nibrahim
If anyone else need direct push access, please let me know.  Otherwise you
can send pull request, we will review and commit it.

The license for the text will be under "Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0
Unported":
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/




On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Baiju M <baiju.m.mail at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Anand,
>>
>> I need some help with a domain & git repo for this project. I am thinking
>> to use  http://education.python.org.in
>> The git repo: https://github.com/pythonindia/education
>>
>> Please add my github Id to that repo: baijum
>>
>> Also please setup a CNAME as given here:
>>
>> http://read-the-docs.readthedocs.org/en/latest/alternate_domains.html
>>
>> Noufal, please send your RTD Id, so that I can add you as an admin.
>>
>
> Baiju,
>
> I've added you as admin to pythonindia org. You can now create your own
> repos. Please let me know where the CNAME should be pointed to setup the
> DNS.
>
> Anand
>

From baiju.m.mail at gmail.com  Mon Jun 24 04:45:48 2013
From: baiju.m.mail at gmail.com (Baiju M)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 08:15:48 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <CAN8ZCbzfPGTmJT0_ae_ZU5Ri3C93aeOQknU_=L7AqhM9Ham3wA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJvP6q4UP=0VATT+tmMJcERaz5W4wes6yoes8k8PH5J0X3iXSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJvP6q49HSDjhct3AKpTdXm5caezGT+vCOXg56__jojKLDc1rA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP64m+Fz2h5=dT8L0L_8NEZzHnRBMxJqCwfTar8C-6+dE_=mFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87wqplpbbz.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAN8ZCbz=Mtt=ii-=_OhNCnndCiDhvzBVwReOwEbRKanPivpDtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<87r4ftp5op.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAN8ZCbxEf0Pxp+2HCHeJZG8D8M4hMy4w0Y6xi_+B6Sm1eOPnzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC7wXFwtg+-5Gto89x8sMfEQEr3+_7bwD9VFjLj2y0EYuJ_xXQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN8ZCbzfPGTmJT0_ae_ZU5Ri3C93aeOQknU_=L7AqhM9Ham3wA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN8ZCbyC7sjdp0_K+PEoa3831QkwyPY_+HUtV_APc-RwgBOjUw@mail.gmail.com>

BTW, the domain required is http://education.python.org.in


On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Baiju M <baiju.m.mail at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Anand for adding me to the "pythonindia" organization in Github !
>
> You can point the CNAME entry here: python-education-india.readthedocs.org
> .
>
> I have created a git repo with basic Sphinx ( http://sphinx-doc.org/ ) template
> here:
> https://github.com/pythonindia/education
>
> Also I have created a Github team under "pythonindia" organization named:
> "Python for Education in India" This team has push/pull access to the above
> mentioned repo. These are the current team member Ids: baijum,  satyaakam,
> nibrahim
> If anyone else need direct push access, please let me know.  Otherwise you
> can send pull request, we will review and commit it.
>
> The license for the text will be under "Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0
> Unported":
> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 6:36 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Baiju M <baiju.m.mail at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Anand,
>>>
>>> I need some help with a domain & git repo for this project. I am
>>> thinking to use  http://education.python.org.in
>>> The git repo: https://github.com/pythonindia/education
>>>
>>> Please add my github Id to that repo: baijum
>>>
>>> Also please setup a CNAME as given here:
>>>
>>> http://read-the-docs.readthedocs.org/en/latest/alternate_domains.html
>>>
>>> Noufal, please send your RTD Id, so that I can add you as an admin.
>>>
>>
>> Baiju,
>>
>> I've added you as admin to pythonindia org. You can now create your own
>> repos. Please let me know where the CNAME should be pointed to setup the
>> DNS.
>>
>> Anand
>>
>
>

From baiju.m.mail at gmail.com  Mon Jun 24 04:50:33 2013
From: baiju.m.mail at gmail.com (Baiju M)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 08:20:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <CALqiT-t52vqBjVdj+bcjnRRp-3srAhWxtYEEXFP-QoAw+iBbyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJvP6q4UP=0VATT+tmMJcERaz5W4wes6yoes8k8PH5J0X3iXSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJvP6q49HSDjhct3AKpTdXm5caezGT+vCOXg56__jojKLDc1rA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP64m+Fz2h5=dT8L0L_8NEZzHnRBMxJqCwfTar8C-6+dE_=mFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87wqplpbbz.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAN8ZCbz=Mtt=ii-=_OhNCnndCiDhvzBVwReOwEbRKanPivpDtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<87r4ftp5op.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAN8ZCbxEf0Pxp+2HCHeJZG8D8M4hMy4w0Y6xi_+B6Sm1eOPnzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALqiT-t52vqBjVdj+bcjnRRp-3srAhWxtYEEXFP-QoAw+iBbyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN8ZCbwkw0RoPzsW9ARBJMPtMj8oVRCWa0Zof3w9nc4idP9Ctw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Nithin,

That's a good work!

My idea about the website is to create content suitable for all kinds of
education
in India where Python is used.  Mostly the site will contains pointers to
other resources.
But we can also have self hosted content in the site.  The specific details
about the
site can be discussed in the tracker:
https://github.com/pythonindia/education/issues
Once Anand setup the domain, the site should be available here:
http://education.python.org.in/  As soon as we push the content to the git
repo,
the site will be automatically updated.  The site will be hosted at RTD:
https://readthedocs.org/

I will update the README.txt file with these details.

Let me know, if you have any other ideas.




On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Nitin Kumar <nitin.nitp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I even started writing a book for the same long back.
> http://www.slideshare.net/nitinnitp/python-xi-copy
>
> But the bad news came by that time. CBSE announced that now it not only
> Python, we can opt between Python and C++ after big protest from schools.
>
> DAV already announced they will go with C++ only. I guess KV is also doing
> the same. Even school wont be able to get so much of teacher for Python
> (might be c++ teacher only go ahead and take Python).
>
> I even tried contacting many schools for free Python classes, but the reply
> was "we already have comp science teacher and we are sticking to c++ only"
> :)
>
>
> Nitin K
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Baiju M <baiju.m.mail at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Anand,
> >
> > I need some help with a domain & git repo for this project. I am thinking
> > to use  http://education.python.org.in
> > The git repo: https://github.com/pythonindia/education
> >
> > Please add my github Id to that repo: baijum
> >
> > Also please setup a CNAME as given here:
> >
> > http://read-the-docs.readthedocs.org/en/latest/alternate_domains.html
> >
> > Noufal, please send your RTD Id, so that I can add you as an admin.
> >  On Jun 23, 2013 2:25 PM, "Noufal Ibrahim" <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Baiju M <baiju.m.mail at gmail.com> writes:
> > >
> > > > How about creating a website with resources for teachers and
> students?
> > > > BangPypers is one of the oldest Python community from India. So, I
> > > > think it would be great to do it as a community project. Anyone
> > > > interested ?
> > >
> > > I'm definitely interested. One of my plans since moving back to Kerala
> > > is to create something like this. I haven't had the time to brood over
> > > it yet though.
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cordially,
> > > Noufal
> > > http://nibrahim.net.in
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Mon Jun 24 05:27:55 2013
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 08:57:55 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <CAC7wXFxSmmUbt264x5NRFV_MrT0uskbCyVoUOrUHmDovk0xQyg@mail.gmail.com>
	(Anand Chitipothu's message of "Mon, 24 Jun 2013 07:15:12 +0530")
References: <CAJvP6q4UP=0VATT+tmMJcERaz5W4wes6yoes8k8PH5J0X3iXSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJvP6q49HSDjhct3AKpTdXm5caezGT+vCOXg56__jojKLDc1rA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP64m+Fz2h5=dT8L0L_8NEZzHnRBMxJqCwfTar8C-6+dE_=mFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87wqplpbbz.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAN8ZCbz=Mtt=ii-=_OhNCnndCiDhvzBVwReOwEbRKanPivpDtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<87r4ftp5op.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAC7wXFxSmmUbt264x5NRFV_MrT0uskbCyVoUOrUHmDovk0xQyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87li60p4qs.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>

Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> writes:


[...]

> Why don't we have a panel discussion about Python in schools at PyCon
> India? We can invite officials from education departments and discuss about
> how to effectively use Python and what support can be provided from the
> community. We can plan to write some books or create some material if
> required.  After the panel discussion, we can have a BoF or an open space
> discussing it in detail.
>
> I think we have (or can raise) enough money to support travel
> and accommodation of couple of officials from government.
>
> What do you think?

Excellent idea!
[...]



-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From anandology at gmail.com  Mon Jun 24 05:52:29 2013
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 09:22:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python in Schools Panel (Was: CBSE to teach
 introduction to python in class 11 and 12)
Message-ID: <CAC7wXFyn-_kCk43GNMTHtvN9nsOvuCOiwGc=QJxzH2LNZt3=Sw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>wrote:

> Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> writes:
>
>
> [...]
>
> > Why don't we have a panel discussion about Python in schools at PyCon
> > India? We can invite officials from education departments and discuss
> about
> > how to effectively use Python and what support can be provided from the
> > community. We can plan to write some books or create some material if
> > required.  After the panel discussion, we can have a BoF or an open space
> > discussing it in detail.
> >
> > I think we have (or can raise) enough money to support travel
> > and accommodation of couple of officials from government.
> >
> > What do you think?
>
> Excellent idea!
> [...]
>

Noufal, can you find someone to invite from Kerala govt?

Is there anyone in this list who knows someone from CBSE board?

Anand

From satishsagar83 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 24 06:12:43 2013
From: satishsagar83 at gmail.com (L Radhakrishna Rao)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 09:42:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <87li60p4qs.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
References: <CAJvP6q4UP=0VATT+tmMJcERaz5W4wes6yoes8k8PH5J0X3iXSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJvP6q49HSDjhct3AKpTdXm5caezGT+vCOXg56__jojKLDc1rA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP64m+Fz2h5=dT8L0L_8NEZzHnRBMxJqCwfTar8C-6+dE_=mFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87wqplpbbz.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAN8ZCbz=Mtt=ii-=_OhNCnndCiDhvzBVwReOwEbRKanPivpDtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<87r4ftp5op.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAC7wXFxSmmUbt264x5NRFV_MrT0uskbCyVoUOrUHmDovk0xQyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<87li60p4qs.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
Message-ID: <CAAZd-jTSqq_BDtL_AS+dAjN0zLskvSTRupFbs0QFp9RRB1p2DQ@mail.gmail.com>

Why C++?

What is wrong in teaching python?


On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>wrote:

> Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> writes:
>
>
> [...]
>
> > Why don't we have a panel discussion about Python in schools at PyCon
> > India? We can invite officials from education departments and discuss
> about
> > how to effectively use Python and what support can be provided from the
> > community. We can plan to write some books or create some material if
> > required.  After the panel discussion, we can have a BoF or an open space
> > discussing it in detail.
> >
> > I think we have (or can raise) enough money to support travel
> > and accommodation of couple of officials from government.
> >
> > What do you think?
>
> Excellent idea!
> [...]
>
>
>
> --
> Cordially,
> Noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Mon Jun 24 07:02:31 2013
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:32:31 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python in Schools Panel
In-Reply-To: <CAC7wXFyn-_kCk43GNMTHtvN9nsOvuCOiwGc=QJxzH2LNZt3=Sw@mail.gmail.com>
	(Anand Chitipothu's message of "Mon, 24 Jun 2013 09:22:29 +0530")
References: <CAC7wXFyn-_kCk43GNMTHtvN9nsOvuCOiwGc=QJxzH2LNZt3=Sw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87d2rcp0d4.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>

Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> writes:


[...]

> Noufal, can you find someone to invite from Kerala govt?

I don't know anyone personally but can ask around and send some
emails. Let's see.

>
> Is there anyone in this list who knows someone from CBSE board?
>
> Anand

-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From nitin.nitp at gmail.com  Mon Jun 24 09:27:58 2013
From: nitin.nitp at gmail.com (Nitin Kumar)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 12:57:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <CAN8ZCbwkw0RoPzsW9ARBJMPtMj8oVRCWa0Zof3w9nc4idP9Ctw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJvP6q4UP=0VATT+tmMJcERaz5W4wes6yoes8k8PH5J0X3iXSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJvP6q49HSDjhct3AKpTdXm5caezGT+vCOXg56__jojKLDc1rA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP64m+Fz2h5=dT8L0L_8NEZzHnRBMxJqCwfTar8C-6+dE_=mFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87wqplpbbz.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAN8ZCbz=Mtt=ii-=_OhNCnndCiDhvzBVwReOwEbRKanPivpDtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<87r4ftp5op.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAN8ZCbxEf0Pxp+2HCHeJZG8D8M4hMy4w0Y6xi_+B6Sm1eOPnzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALqiT-t52vqBjVdj+bcjnRRp-3srAhWxtYEEXFP-QoAw+iBbyA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN8ZCbwkw0RoPzsW9ARBJMPtMj8oVRCWa0Zof3w9nc4idP9Ctw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALqiT-u-EtfgSWD9ELd44R5p0iOudqgg3bvbJMYaxHCZ0-vFXA@mail.gmail.com>

Tkanks Baiju,

In this case I would love to see my paper on http://education.python.org.in/
site (if permitted :) ).
Wish to see above site up and running ASAP so that I can post my paper.

Nitin K


On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 8:20 AM, Baiju M <baiju.m.mail at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Nithin,
>
> That's a good work!
>
> My idea about the website is to create content suitable for all kinds of
> education
> in India where Python is used.  Mostly the site will contains pointers to
> other resources.
> But we can also have self hosted content in the site.  The specific details
> about the
> site can be discussed in the tracker:
> https://github.com/pythonindia/education/issues
> Once Anand setup the domain, the site should be available here:
> http://education.python.org.in/  As soon as we push the content to the git
> repo,
> the site will be automatically updated.  The site will be hosted at RTD:
> https://readthedocs.org/
>
> I will update the README.txt file with these details.
>
> Let me know, if you have any other ideas.
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Nitin Kumar <nitin.nitp at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I even started writing a book for the same long back.
> > http://www.slideshare.net/nitinnitp/python-xi-copy
> >
> > But the bad news came by that time. CBSE announced that now it not only
> > Python, we can opt between Python and C++ after big protest from schools.
> >
> > DAV already announced they will go with C++ only. I guess KV is also
> doing
> > the same. Even school wont be able to get so much of teacher for Python
> > (might be c++ teacher only go ahead and take Python).
> >
> > I even tried contacting many schools for free Python classes, but the
> reply
> > was "we already have comp science teacher and we are sticking to c++
> only"
> > :)
> >
> >
> > Nitin K
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Baiju M <baiju.m.mail at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Anand,
> > >
> > > I need some help with a domain & git repo for this project. I am
> thinking
> > > to use  http://education.python.org.in
> > > The git repo: https://github.com/pythonindia/education
> > >
> > > Please add my github Id to that repo: baijum
> > >
> > > Also please setup a CNAME as given here:
> > >
> > > http://read-the-docs.readthedocs.org/en/latest/alternate_domains.html
> > >
> > > Noufal, please send your RTD Id, so that I can add you as an admin.
> > >  On Jun 23, 2013 2:25 PM, "Noufal Ibrahim" <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Baiju M <baiju.m.mail at gmail.com> writes:
> > > >
> > > > > How about creating a website with resources for teachers and
> > students?
> > > > > BangPypers is one of the oldest Python community from India. So, I
> > > > > think it would be great to do it as a community project. Anyone
> > > > > interested ?
> > > >
> > > > I'm definitely interested. One of my plans since moving back to
> Kerala
> > > > is to create something like this. I haven't had the time to brood
> over
> > > > it yet though.
> > > >
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Cordially,
> > > > Noufal
> > > > http://nibrahim.net.in
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From anandpillai at letterboxes.org  Mon Jun 24 20:03:42 2013
From: anandpillai at letterboxes.org (Anand B Pillai)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 23:33:42 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
 and 12
In-Reply-To: <CAN8ZCbwkw0RoPzsW9ARBJMPtMj8oVRCWa0Zof3w9nc4idP9Ctw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJvP6q4UP=0VATT+tmMJcERaz5W4wes6yoes8k8PH5J0X3iXSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJvP6q49HSDjhct3AKpTdXm5caezGT+vCOXg56__jojKLDc1rA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP64m+Fz2h5=dT8L0L_8NEZzHnRBMxJqCwfTar8C-6+dE_=mFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87wqplpbbz.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAN8ZCbz=Mtt=ii-=_OhNCnndCiDhvzBVwReOwEbRKanPivpDtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<87r4ftp5op.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAN8ZCbxEf0Pxp+2HCHeJZG8D8M4hMy4w0Y6xi_+B6Sm1eOPnzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALqiT-t52vqBjVdj+bcjnRRp-3srAhWxtYEEXFP-QoAw+iBbyA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN8ZCbwkw0RoPzsW9ARBJMPtMj8oVRCWa0Zof3w9nc4idP9Ctw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51C889FE.1010507@letterboxes.org>

On Monday 24 June 2013 08:20 AM, Baiju M wrote:
> Hi Nithin,
>
> That's a good work!
>
> My idea about the website is to create content suitable for all kinds of
> education
> in India where Python is used.  Mostly the site will contains pointers to
> other resources.
> But we can also have self hosted content in the site.  The specific details
> about the
> site can be discussed in the tracker:
> https://github.com/pythonindia/education/issues
> Once Anand setup the domain, the site should be available here:
> http://education.python.org.in/  As soon as we push the content to the git
> repo,
> the site will be automatically updated.  The site will be hosted at RTD:
> https://readthedocs.org/

I guess I joined the party late.

+1 to everything discussed here including setting up the website.
Baiju, if you don't mind kindly add me as admin with the name "abpillai"
as well.

I would like to contribute to the content of this site.
>
> I will update the README.txt file with these details.
>
> Let me know, if you have any other ideas.
>
>

Regards,

--Anand


From satishsagar83 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 03:15:23 2013
From: satishsagar83 at gmail.com (L Radhakrishna Rao)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 06:45:23 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <51C889FE.1010507@letterboxes.org>
References: <CAJvP6q4UP=0VATT+tmMJcERaz5W4wes6yoes8k8PH5J0X3iXSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJvP6q49HSDjhct3AKpTdXm5caezGT+vCOXg56__jojKLDc1rA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP64m+Fz2h5=dT8L0L_8NEZzHnRBMxJqCwfTar8C-6+dE_=mFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87wqplpbbz.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAN8ZCbz=Mtt=ii-=_OhNCnndCiDhvzBVwReOwEbRKanPivpDtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<87r4ftp5op.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAN8ZCbxEf0Pxp+2HCHeJZG8D8M4hMy4w0Y6xi_+B6Sm1eOPnzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALqiT-t52vqBjVdj+bcjnRRp-3srAhWxtYEEXFP-QoAw+iBbyA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAN8ZCbwkw0RoPzsW9ARBJMPtMj8oVRCWa0Zof3w9nc4idP9Ctw@mail.gmail.com>
	<51C889FE.1010507@letterboxes.org>
Message-ID: <CAAZd-jQO+BNd4rHRa+ya_F1Cgj3vCpXTCeM=DSDYW8pd-Cq6uw@mail.gmail.com>

Even I would like to contribute

code, testing, documentation, or anything.

This is a wonderful initiative.




On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Anand B Pillai <
anandpillai at letterboxes.org> wrote:

> On Monday 24 June 2013 08:20 AM, Baiju M wrote:
> > Hi Nithin,
> >
> > That's a good work!
> >
> > My idea about the website is to create content suitable for all kinds of
> > education
> > in India where Python is used.  Mostly the site will contains pointers to
> > other resources.
> > But we can also have self hosted content in the site.  The specific
> details
> > about the
> > site can be discussed in the tracker:
> > https://github.com/pythonindia/education/issues
> > Once Anand setup the domain, the site should be available here:
> > http://education.python.org.in/  As soon as we push the content to the
> git
> > repo,
> > the site will be automatically updated.  The site will be hosted at RTD:
> > https://readthedocs.org/
>
> I guess I joined the party late.
>
> +1 to everything discussed here including setting up the website.
> Baiju, if you don't mind kindly add me as admin with the name "abpillai"
> as well.
>
> I would like to contribute to the content of this site.
> >
> > I will update the README.txt file with these details.
> >
> > Let me know, if you have any other ideas.
> >
> >
>
> Regards,
>
> --Anand
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From palakmathur at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 06:37:18 2013
From: palakmathur at gmail.com (Palak Mathur)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 23:37:18 -0500
Subject: [BangPypers] Python in Schools Panel
In-Reply-To: <87d2rcp0d4.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
References: <CAC7wXFyn-_kCk43GNMTHtvN9nsOvuCOiwGc=QJxzH2LNZt3=Sw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87d2rcp0d4.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
Message-ID: <CAFtxF+daWWxeK5=05gCj_p9W2EJD7eG_5DM2+u0fViH3HKvk8g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

  If you want to contact CBSE board regarding Python education then you
might want to write to Director (Training and Academics). The position is
currently held by Dr. Sadhana Parashar. The contact details are:

Tel.  91-11-23212603,23234324
Fax. 91-11-23234324
Email: sadhanap.cbse at nic.in


Kerala comes under CBSE's regional office located at Chennai, which can be
contacted at

Tel. 91-44-26162214 /26162213
Fax:91-44-26162212

rochennai.cbse at nic.in

You can call them if you want.


Regards,
Palak Mathur
http://palakmathur.in <http://palakmathur.github.com/>
http://aatmiyata.wordpress.com
http://palakclicks.wordpress.com



On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>wrote:

> Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> writes:
>
>
> [...]
>
> > Noufal, can you find someone to invite from Kerala govt?
>
> I don't know anyone personally but can ask around and send some
> emails. Let's see.
>
> >
> > Is there anyone in this list who knows someone from CBSE board?
> >
> > Anand
>
> --
> Cordially,
> Noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From satishsagar83 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 06:40:13 2013
From: satishsagar83 at gmail.com (L Radhakrishna Rao)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 10:10:13 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python in Schools Panel
In-Reply-To: <CAFtxF+daWWxeK5=05gCj_p9W2EJD7eG_5DM2+u0fViH3HKvk8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC7wXFyn-_kCk43GNMTHtvN9nsOvuCOiwGc=QJxzH2LNZt3=Sw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87d2rcp0d4.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAFtxF+daWWxeK5=05gCj_p9W2EJD7eG_5DM2+u0fViH3HKvk8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAZd-jRR-SJxesWDu5vs5Bu4ESCuYF423yuV8DSKdoL1HLL40A@mail.gmail.com>

My dad works in Kendriya Vidyalaya.

I will ask from him about this and will try to get some useful information,
and will update here.

Just give me some time :).

Thanks


On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Palak Mathur <palakmathur at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi,
>
>   If you want to contact CBSE board regarding Python education then you
> might want to write to Director (Training and Academics). The position is
> currently held by Dr. Sadhana Parashar. The contact details are:
>
> Tel.  91-11-23212603,23234324
> Fax. 91-11-23234324
> Email: sadhanap.cbse at nic.in
>
>
> Kerala comes under CBSE's regional office located at Chennai, which can be
> contacted at
>
> Tel. 91-44-26162214 /26162213
> Fax:91-44-26162212
>
> rochennai.cbse at nic.in
>
> You can call them if you want.
>
>
> Regards,
> Palak Mathur
> http://palakmathur.in <http://palakmathur.github.com/>
> http://aatmiyata.wordpress.com
> http://palakclicks.wordpress.com
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:02 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at nibrahim.net.in
> >wrote:
>
> > Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> writes:
> >
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > Noufal, can you find someone to invite from Kerala govt?
> >
> > I don't know anyone personally but can ask around and send some
> > emails. Let's see.
> >
> > >
> > > Is there anyone in this list who knows someone from CBSE board?
> > >
> > > Anand
> >
> > --
> > Cordially,
> > Noufal
> > http://nibrahim.net.in
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From anandology at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 07:11:58 2013
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 10:41:58 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python in Schools Panel
In-Reply-To: <CAFtxF+daWWxeK5=05gCj_p9W2EJD7eG_5DM2+u0fViH3HKvk8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC7wXFyn-_kCk43GNMTHtvN9nsOvuCOiwGc=QJxzH2LNZt3=Sw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87d2rcp0d4.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAFtxF+daWWxeK5=05gCj_p9W2EJD7eG_5DM2+u0fViH3HKvk8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAC7wXFw8Xt117aiD=tWD8NFzr5qSkVjZB7ng0=fugnya7ePdZw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Palak Mathur <palakmathur at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi,
>
>   If you want to contact CBSE board regarding Python education then you
> might want to write to Director (Training and Academics). The position is
> currently held by Dr. Sadhana Parashar. The contact details are:
>
> Tel.  91-11-23212603,23234324
> Fax. 91-11-23234324
> Email: sadhanap.cbse at nic.in
>
>
> Kerala comes under CBSE's regional office located at Chennai, which can be
> contacted at
>
> Tel. 91-44-26162214 /26162213
> Fax:91-44-26162212
>
> rochennai.cbse at nic.in
>
> You can call them if you want.
>

Noufal,

Can you call them and see if they'll be interested?

Anand

From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Tue Jun 25 07:37:29 2013
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:07:29 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python in Schools Panel
In-Reply-To: <CAC7wXFw8Xt117aiD=tWD8NFzr5qSkVjZB7ng0=fugnya7ePdZw@mail.gmail.com>
	(Anand Chitipothu's message of "Tue, 25 Jun 2013 10:41:58 +0530")
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	<87d2rcp0d4.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
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Message-ID: <87sj06vjhi.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>



Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com> writes:


[...]

> Noufal,
>
> Can you call them and see if they'll be interested?

I'll mail Dr. Parashar. I've already got a response from the Kerala
state people. Do we need to mail the regional CBSE office separately?

[...]


-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From satyaakam at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 09:55:03 2013
From: satyaakam at gmail.com (satyaakam goswami)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:25:03 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python in Schools Panel
In-Reply-To: <87sj06vjhi.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
References: <CAC7wXFyn-_kCk43GNMTHtvN9nsOvuCOiwGc=QJxzH2LNZt3=Sw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87d2rcp0d4.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
	<CAFtxF+daWWxeK5=05gCj_p9W2EJD7eG_5DM2+u0fViH3HKvk8g@mail.gmail.com>
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	<87sj06vjhi.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
Message-ID: <CALre89mvbdestT0YbAyJWQTGWWd-zrtL==OU7faNzeYxyBJVvw@mail.gmail.com>

>
> > Noufal,
> >
> > Can you call them and see if they'll be interested?
>
> I'll mail Dr. Parashar. I've already got a response from the Kerala
> state people. Do we need to mail the regional CBSE office separately?
>


/me got confused why is this discussion happening here ? is this something
for Pycon India ? then it might as well be taken to inpycon list .


-Satya
Satyaakam.net | fossevents.in | fossacademy.org

From baiju.m.mail at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 15:24:33 2013
From: baiju.m.mail at gmail.com (Baiju M)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 18:54:33 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <51C889FE.1010507@letterboxes.org>
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Anand,

I tried to "abpillai" in readthedocs.org, but it looks the ID doesn't exist.


On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Anand B Pillai <
anandpillai at letterboxes.org> wrote:

> On Monday 24 June 2013 08:20 AM, Baiju M wrote:
> > Hi Nithin,
> >
> > That's a good work!
> >
> > My idea about the website is to create content suitable for all kinds of
> > education
> > in India where Python is used.  Mostly the site will contains pointers to
> > other resources.
> > But we can also have self hosted content in the site.  The specific
> details
> > about the
> > site can be discussed in the tracker:
> > https://github.com/pythonindia/education/issues
> > Once Anand setup the domain, the site should be available here:
> > http://education.python.org.in/  As soon as we push the content to the
> git
> > repo,
> > the site will be automatically updated.  The site will be hosted at RTD:
> > https://readthedocs.org/
>
> I guess I joined the party late.
>
> +1 to everything discussed here including setting up the website.
> Baiju, if you don't mind kindly add me as admin with the name "abpillai"
> as well.
>
> I would like to contribute to the content of this site.
> >
> > I will update the README.txt file with these details.
> >
> > Let me know, if you have any other ideas.
> >
> >
>
> Regards,
>
> --Anand
>
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From anandpillai at letterboxes.org  Tue Jun 25 15:52:07 2013
From: anandpillai at letterboxes.org (Anand B Pillai)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 19:22:07 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
 and 12
In-Reply-To: <CAN8ZCbzgbatHoBZtjNLokYOGu7yT-sNH8Qo_q5QfJt6-dVj8EA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <51C9A087.4000106@letterboxes.org>

On Tuesday 25 June 2013 06:54 PM, Baiju M wrote:
> Anand,
>
> I tried to "abpillai" in readthedocs.org, but it looks the ID doesn't exist.
>
Sorry, I didn't read through fully. Added "abpillai" at readthedocs.org.
Kindly update.

Regards,

--Anand

From baiju.m.mail at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 16:19:39 2013
From: baiju.m.mail at gmail.com (Baiju M)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 19:49:39 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <51C9A087.4000106@letterboxes.org>
References: <CAJvP6q4UP=0VATT+tmMJcERaz5W4wes6yoes8k8PH5J0X3iXSQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<51C9A087.4000106@letterboxes.org>
Message-ID: <CAN8ZCbwjQKSLvUqaZ+P_hifM5peoasVNKWHE3MQ28R_RHtO-GQ@mail.gmail.com>

Done.


On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Anand B Pillai <anandpillai at letterboxes.org
> wrote:

> On Tuesday 25 June 2013 06:54 PM, Baiju M wrote:
> > Anand,
> >
> > I tried to "abpillai" in readthedocs.org, but it looks the ID doesn't
> exist.
> >
> Sorry, I didn't read through fully. Added "abpillai" at readthedocs.org.
> Kindly update.
>
> Regards,
>
> --Anand
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From ram at slvtechnosol.com  Wed Jun 26 15:03:30 2013
From: ram at slvtechnosol.com (ram at slvtechnosol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 18:33:30 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Tkinter online Documentation
Message-ID: <cf4fb87aa2f7793d3d8c66799f85ef3a.squirrel@www.mail4india.com>




HI, Can some suggest me good online documentation for Python
Tkinter?
Thanks,
Ram

From jtoomim at jtoomim.org  Wed Jun 26 17:07:54 2013
From: jtoomim at jtoomim.org (Jonathan Toomim)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 20:37:54 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Tkinter online Documentation
In-Reply-To: <cf4fb87aa2f7793d3d8c66799f85ef3a.squirrel@www.mail4india.com>
References: <cf4fb87aa2f7793d3d8c66799f85ef3a.squirrel@www.mail4india.com>
Message-ID: <51CB03CA.50408@jtoomim.org>

Tkinter is definitely not the best GUI toolkit available for Python. I 
suggest you use PyQt(4), wxPython, or PyGTK instead if at all possible. 
If you choose to use wxPython, I can offer help.

I don't know of any good guides for Tkinter, so I can't actually answer 
the question you asked. Sorry.

Jonathan

On 6/26/2013 6:33 PM, ram at slvtechnosol.com wrote:
> HI, Can some suggest me good online documentation for Python
> Tkinter?
> Thanks,
> Ram
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>


From steve at lonetwin.net  Thu Jun 27 12:16:06 2013
From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 15:46:06 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] Python Tkinter online Documentation
In-Reply-To: <cf4fb87aa2f7793d3d8c66799f85ef3a.squirrel@www.mail4india.com>
References: <cf4fb87aa2f7793d3d8c66799f85ef3a.squirrel@www.mail4india.com>
Message-ID: <51CC10E6.3050004@lonetwin.net>

On Wednesday 26 June 2013 06:33 PM, ram at slvtechnosol.com wrote:
>
>
>
> HI, Can some suggest me good online documentation for Python
> Tkinter?

I agree with Jonathan on the choice of Tkinter, however if you really wanted to 
use tkinter you should've at least done a simple google or peeked at the std 
docs first. There are so many links here ...

http://docs.python.org/2/library/tkinter.html

...which might explain why you 'chose' tkinter in the first place - ie: not 
doing any research whatsoever.

- steve


From arunvr at gmail.com  Fri Jun 28 15:12:46 2013
From: arunvr at gmail.com (Arun Ravindran)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 18:42:46 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <CAN8ZCbwjQKSLvUqaZ+P_hifM5peoasVNKWHE3MQ28R_RHtO-GQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CABFUqp2Ssv2=y7Jmsw=QTcr3HCiL3i=t4=f+j_npC-yy-0vqZA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Having learnt C++ via CBSE schools in +2 and being a python enthusiast, I
think this is an incredible move by CBSE. But like with any syllabus change
I expect a lot of resistance from faculty. They have been comfortable
teaching C++ for the last 13 years. Given an option like this, they would
not even support Python for the next few years.

I propose several strategies/benefits to promote Python over C++ in such
cases:

1. *Highlight abundance of projects in Python*: Practical and Project work
marks is very crucial to students. Python helps in making high quality,
modern web or GUI applications in reasonable time. C++ projects are simply
too intensive.
2. *It is not easy to install C/C++ compilers these days:* Turbo C++ (Still
popular in schools, unfortunately) needs DOS emulators on modern Windows.
On the other hand, Python is easy to install and pre-installed in many OSes.
3. *Point out cheaper hardware* like Raspberry Pi which support Python out
of the box.
4. *Lot of fun ways to learn Python*. There are great books which teach
Game Programming. There are several online Python compilers. Not to forget,
immediate feedback from the Python interpreter is a great way to learn.
5. *Community*: Python community being much more active and helpful than
C++, most beginners would find a lot of searchable content and forums to
ask their newbie questions

These are some of the suggestions at the top of my head. But yes, I really
would like to participate and make this initiative a success!

Regards,
Arun Ravindran


On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Baiju M <baiju.m.mail at gmail.com> wrote:

> Done.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Anand B Pillai <
> anandpillai at letterboxes.org
> > wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday 25 June 2013 06:54 PM, Baiju M wrote:
> > > Anand,
> > >
> > > I tried to "abpillai" in readthedocs.org, but it looks the ID doesn't
> > exist.
> > >
> > Sorry, I didn't read through fully. Added "abpillai" at readthedocs.org.
> > Kindly update.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > --Anand
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From satishsagar83 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 28 15:15:52 2013
From: satishsagar83 at gmail.com (L Radhakrishna Rao)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 18:45:52 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <CABFUqp2Ssv2=y7Jmsw=QTcr3HCiL3i=t4=f+j_npC-yy-0vqZA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAAZd-jQdXKWRBNW0NC7Ki8ByF34MzCf+tmdSR8kppvb=S4S-Cg@mail.gmail.com>

Arun

With python, teaching and studying mathematics, physics, chemistry,
biology, and even history will be easier.

Python is one language which can be used to solve problem and in quick time.

I bet kids will enjoy studying in the school, and ultimately, this is where
focus must be, not to cram the books and gain marks.

Learning must not stop, unfortunately, now days, the curriculum of schools,
universities etc are not meant to produce leaders, but to make followers


On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Arun Ravindran <arunvr at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Having learnt C++ via CBSE schools in +2 and being a python enthusiast, I
> think this is an incredible move by CBSE. But like with any syllabus change
> I expect a lot of resistance from faculty. They have been comfortable
> teaching C++ for the last 13 years. Given an option like this, they would
> not even support Python for the next few years.
>
> I propose several strategies/benefits to promote Python over C++ in such
> cases:
>
> 1. *Highlight abundance of projects in Python*: Practical and Project work
> marks is very crucial to students. Python helps in making high quality,
> modern web or GUI applications in reasonable time. C++ projects are simply
> too intensive.
> 2. *It is not easy to install C/C++ compilers these days:* Turbo C++ (Still
> popular in schools, unfortunately) needs DOS emulators on modern Windows.
> On the other hand, Python is easy to install and pre-installed in many
> OSes.
> 3. *Point out cheaper hardware* like Raspberry Pi which support Python out
> of the box.
> 4. *Lot of fun ways to learn Python*. There are great books which teach
> Game Programming. There are several online Python compilers. Not to forget,
> immediate feedback from the Python interpreter is a great way to learn.
> 5. *Community*: Python community being much more active and helpful than
> C++, most beginners would find a lot of searchable content and forums to
> ask their newbie questions
>
> These are some of the suggestions at the top of my head. But yes, I really
> would like to participate and make this initiative a success!
>
> Regards,
> Arun Ravindran
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Baiju M <baiju.m.mail at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Done.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Anand B Pillai <
> > anandpillai at letterboxes.org
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > On Tuesday 25 June 2013 06:54 PM, Baiju M wrote:
> > > > Anand,
> > > >
> > > > I tried to "abpillai" in readthedocs.org, but it looks the ID
> doesn't
> > > exist.
> > > >
> > > Sorry, I didn't read through fully. Added "abpillai" at
> readthedocs.org.
> > > Kindly update.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > --Anand
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > BangPypers mailing list
> > > BangPypers at python.org
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BangPypers mailing list
> > BangPypers at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From satyaakam at gmail.com  Fri Jun 28 15:31:02 2013
From: satyaakam at gmail.com (satyaakam goswami)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 19:01:02 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <CAAZd-jQdXKWRBNW0NC7Ki8ByF34MzCf+tmdSR8kppvb=S4S-Cg@mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Learning must not stop, unfortunately, now days, the curriculum of schools,
> universities etc are not meant to produce leaders, but to make followers
>

all are great points from Arun and you , yes i agree the whole purpose of
the present education system presently is "teach to test "

so the actionable items i see are

1) Writing the book
2) Talking to the concerned authorities about the book and the material
available.
3) Training the teachers .
3) Have a panel discussion on this topic in Pycon India.
4) .... what else ?


-Satya
Satyaakam.net <http://satyaakam.net/> | fossevents.in | fossacademy.org

From modi.konark at gmail.com  Fri Jun 28 15:33:12 2013
From: modi.konark at gmail.com (konark modi)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 19:03:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon India 2013 : Call for Volunteers !
Message-ID: <CAPhs5j_TerPd6GvQjDu1C=06BHZGxqR9uJc-eTope15B_KwRKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

PyCon India  is looking for people who want to help organize and improve
PyCon India 2013 to be held in Bangalore . There are numerous ways in which
you can help organize the conference both from remote locations and being
available before and during the conference days.

Anyone interested is requested to fill in the form : *
http://bit.ly/PyCon2013Volunteer . *

We would also request you to forward this message to people whom you think
are willing to help.

For any other information please feel free to drop in an email at volunteer
[at] in [dot] pycon [dot] org

Regards
Konark

From satishsagar83 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 28 15:34:11 2013
From: satishsagar83 at gmail.com (L Radhakrishna Rao)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 19:04:11 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
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Hi Satyaakam,

If i tell you, I was thinking on a project to write a book on python :), I
guess i can really contribute on this.

And our target audience are going to be kids, so , we can brain storm, on
this, but then, I don't want this to be a run of the mill kind of books, I
always wanted a book in such a manner, which occupies the reader, and makes
him think, visualize :).

All we need is a publisher.


On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 7:01 PM, satyaakam goswami <satyaakam at gmail.com>wrote:

> >
> > Learning must not stop, unfortunately, now days, the curriculum of
> schools,
> > universities etc are not meant to produce leaders, but to make followers
> >
>
> all are great points from Arun and you , yes i agree the whole purpose of
> the present education system presently is "teach to test "
>
> so the actionable items i see are
>
> 1) Writing the book
> 2) Talking to the concerned authorities about the book and the material
> available.
> 3) Training the teachers .
> 3) Have a panel discussion on this topic in Pycon India.
> 4) .... what else ?
>
>
> -Satya
> Satyaakam.net <http://satyaakam.net/> | fossevents.in | fossacademy.org
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From satishsagar83 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 28 15:34:43 2013
From: satishsagar83 at gmail.com (L Radhakrishna Rao)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 19:04:43 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon India 2013 : Call for Volunteers !
In-Reply-To: <CAPhs5j_TerPd6GvQjDu1C=06BHZGxqR9uJc-eTope15B_KwRKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPhs5j_TerPd6GvQjDu1C=06BHZGxqR9uJc-eTope15B_KwRKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAZd-jRKPR+X_ugAvsjeg7NByBWuJRuJstNLcN+KJWPvr9maAQ@mail.gmail.com>

Add my name in the list, I always wanted to write a book on python


On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 7:03 PM, konark modi <modi.konark at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> PyCon India  is looking for people who want to help organize and improve
> PyCon India 2013 to be held in Bangalore . There are numerous ways in which
> you can help organize the conference both from remote locations and being
> available before and during the conference days.
>
> Anyone interested is requested to fill in the form : *
> http://bit.ly/PyCon2013Volunteer . *
>
> We would also request you to forward this message to people whom you think
> are willing to help.
>
> For any other information please feel free to drop in an email at volunteer
> [at] in [dot] pycon [dot] org
>
> Regards
> Konark
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From satishsagar83 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 28 15:36:44 2013
From: satishsagar83 at gmail.com (L Radhakrishna Rao)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 19:06:44 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <CAAZd-jRo7gGVs5s_mZr9vRmZ0eO+r-H+bC-vFcWN4pSHc7H2ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
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But it is tough to convince authority, because, they have only one thing in
mind, to show high score, that we have pass percentages of this much.

So, we will have to come up with a great plan.


On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 7:04 PM, L Radhakrishna Rao <satishsagar83 at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Hi Satyaakam,
>
> If i tell you, I was thinking on a project to write a book on python :), I
> guess i can really contribute on this.
>
> And our target audience are going to be kids, so , we can brain storm, on
> this, but then, I don't want this to be a run of the mill kind of books, I
> always wanted a book in such a manner, which occupies the reader, and makes
> him think, visualize :).
>
> All we need is a publisher.
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 7:01 PM, satyaakam goswami <satyaakam at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> >
>> > Learning must not stop, unfortunately, now days, the curriculum of
>> schools,
>> > universities etc are not meant to produce leaders, but to make followers
>> >
>>
>> all are great points from Arun and you , yes i agree the whole purpose of
>> the present education system presently is "teach to test "
>>
>> so the actionable items i see are
>>
>> 1) Writing the book
>> 2) Talking to the concerned authorities about the book and the material
>> available.
>> 3) Training the teachers .
>> 3) Have a panel discussion on this topic in Pycon India.
>> 4) .... what else ?
>>
>>
>> -Satya
>> Satyaakam.net <http://satyaakam.net/> | fossevents.in | fossacademy.org
>> _______________________________________________
>> BangPypers mailing list
>> BangPypers at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>>
>
>

From knightsamar at gmail.com  Fri Jun 28 17:20:34 2013
From: knightsamar at gmail.com (Samarendra)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 20:50:34 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <CAAZd-jSnHUgK4R6U0-kmKQCqeXOM9GKCqrt7tWUXGcaUfX4rRQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFHKfKJ7Hc6_sf0Jjvb-kCcQb+XFj4snk0FCpr0frBAQ0ng-Ow@mail.gmail.com>

Regarding pass percentages, maybe if someone can show how easy it is to
teach and learn python as compared to C++, I think they will appreciate it
and at least get a bit interested in it.

Maybe some kind of "guest lecture" on Python would highlight the ease of
learning and teaching.


On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 7:06 PM, L Radhakrishna Rao <satishsagar83 at gmail.com
> wrote:

> But it is tough to convince authority, because, they have only one thing in
> mind, to show high score, that we have pass percentages of this much.
>
> So, we will have to come up with a great plan.
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 7:04 PM, L Radhakrishna Rao <
> satishsagar83 at gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Hi Satyaakam,
> >
> > If i tell you, I was thinking on a project to write a book on python :),
> I
> > guess i can really contribute on this.
> >
> > And our target audience are going to be kids, so , we can brain storm, on
> > this, but then, I don't want this to be a run of the mill kind of books,
> I
> > always wanted a book in such a manner, which occupies the reader, and
> makes
> > him think, visualize :).
> >
> > All we need is a publisher.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 7:01 PM, satyaakam goswami <satyaakam at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >> > Learning must not stop, unfortunately, now days, the curriculum of
> >> schools,
> >> > universities etc are not meant to produce leaders, but to make
> followers
> >> >
> >>
> >> all are great points from Arun and you , yes i agree the whole purpose
> of
> >> the present education system presently is "teach to test "
> >>
> >> so the actionable items i see are
> >>
> >> 1) Writing the book
> >> 2) Talking to the concerned authorities about the book and the material
> >> available.
> >> 3) Training the teachers .
> >> 3) Have a panel discussion on this topic in Pycon India.
> >> 4) .... what else ?
> >>
> >>
> >> -Satya
> >> Satyaakam.net <http://satyaakam.net/> | fossevents.in | fossacademy.org
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> BangPypers mailing list
> >> BangPypers at python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
> >>
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> BangPypers mailing list
> BangPypers at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
>

From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Sun Jun 30 06:58:12 2013
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 10:28:12 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <CAFHKfKJ7Hc6_sf0Jjvb-kCcQb+XFj4snk0FCpr0frBAQ0ng-Ow@mail.gmail.com>
	(Samarendra's message of "Fri, 28 Jun 2013 20:50:34 +0530")
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Message-ID: <87fvw06vq3.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>


The education panel at PyCon India might help if we can get sufficiently
senior people there. I'm trying to organise it so please let me know if
there are contacts you can leverage/strings you can pull.

Get onto the PyCOn India mailing list if you want to help with it.

Samarendra <knightsamar at gmail.com> writes:

> Regarding pass percentages, maybe if someone can show how easy it is to
> teach and learn python as compared to C++, I think they will appreciate it
> and at least get a bit interested in it.
>
> Maybe some kind of "guest lecture" on Python would highlight the ease of
> learning and teaching.
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 7:06 PM, L Radhakrishna Rao <satishsagar83 at gmail.com
>> wrote:
>
>> But it is tough to convince authority, because, they have only one thing in
>> mind, to show high score, that we have pass percentages of this much.
>>
>> So, we will have to come up with a great plan.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 7:04 PM, L Radhakrishna Rao <
>> satishsagar83 at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Satyaakam,
>> >
>> > If i tell you, I was thinking on a project to write a book on python :),
>> I
>> > guess i can really contribute on this.
>> >
>> > And our target audience are going to be kids, so , we can brain storm, on
>> > this, but then, I don't want this to be a run of the mill kind of books,
>> I
>> > always wanted a book in such a manner, which occupies the reader, and
>> makes
>> > him think, visualize :).
>> >
>> > All we need is a publisher.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 7:01 PM, satyaakam goswami <satyaakam at gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Learning must not stop, unfortunately, now days, the curriculum of
>> >> schools,
>> >> > universities etc are not meant to produce leaders, but to make
>> followers
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> all are great points from Arun and you , yes i agree the whole purpose
>> of
>> >> the present education system presently is "teach to test "
>> >>
>> >> so the actionable items i see are
>> >>
>> >> 1) Writing the book
>> >> 2) Talking to the concerned authorities about the book and the material
>> >> available.
>> >> 3) Training the teachers .
>> >> 3) Have a panel discussion on this topic in Pycon India.
>> >> 4) .... what else ?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -Satya
>> >> Satyaakam.net <http://satyaakam.net/> | fossevents.in | fossacademy.org
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> BangPypers mailing list
>> >> BangPypers at python.org
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>> >>
>> >
>> >
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From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Sun Jun 30 06:59:09 2013
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim)
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 10:29:09 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon India 2013 : Call for Volunteers !
In-Reply-To: <CAAZd-jRKPR+X_ugAvsjeg7NByBWuJRuJstNLcN+KJWPvr9maAQ@mail.gmail.com>
	(L. Radhakrishna Rao's message of "Fri, 28 Jun 2013 19:04:43 +0530")
References: <CAPhs5j_TerPd6GvQjDu1C=06BHZGxqR9uJc-eTope15B_KwRKQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAZd-jRKPR+X_ugAvsjeg7NByBWuJRuJstNLcN+KJWPvr9maAQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87a9m86voi.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>

L Radhakrishna Rao <satishsagar83 at gmail.com> writes:

> Add my name in the list, I always wanted to write a book on python

This is for a list of volunteers for the conference. The work there will
be different from authoring. Not that you can't help. I just wanted to
higlight what we're looking for. :)
[...]


-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From satishsagar83 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 30 12:29:18 2013
From: satishsagar83 at gmail.com (L Radhakrishna Rao)
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 15:59:18 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] PyCon India 2013 : Call for Volunteers !
In-Reply-To: <87a9m86voi.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
References: <CAPhs5j_TerPd6GvQjDu1C=06BHZGxqR9uJc-eTope15B_KwRKQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAZd-jRKPR+X_ugAvsjeg7NByBWuJRuJstNLcN+KJWPvr9maAQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<87a9m86voi.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
Message-ID: <CAAZd-jQaKuwTn+ev7xw=4FNFfuGFzZMwCUYqoL_JQ7FOfi0Q5Q@mail.gmail.com>

I know, and I will help, not that I have fixed myself only to do one thing
:)


On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>wrote:

> L Radhakrishna Rao <satishsagar83 at gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Add my name in the list, I always wanted to write a book on python
>
> This is for a list of volunteers for the conference. The work there will
> be different from authoring. Not that you can't help. I just wanted to
> higlight what we're looking for. :)
> [...]
>
>
> --
> Cordially,
> Noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
>

From harish.shastry at gmail.com  Sun Jun 30 19:12:32 2013
From: harish.shastry at gmail.com (Harish Vishwanath)
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 22:42:32 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <87fvw06vq3.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
References: <CAJvP6q4UP=0VATT+tmMJcERaz5W4wes6yoes8k8PH5J0X3iXSQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<87r4ftp5op.fsf@sanitarium.localdomain>
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	<CABFUqp2Ssv2=y7Jmsw=QTcr3HCiL3i=t4=f+j_npC-yy-0vqZA@mail.gmail.com>
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Python is beautiful - I firmly believe in "If everything fails, try
python". But I also think caution is required if Python is to be adopted in
the school/college curriculum. The elegance and comfort of Python shouldn't
hamper understanding of basics of programming. A one liner in python can
replace an entire program written in C/C++, but teachers should put
sufficient time and effort so that the "magic" happening behind the scenes
is unfurled for students.

For example,
file("new.txt","w").write(file("test.txt").read().replace("The","BBB")) is
packing so much behind the scenes. Students should learn about what exactly
is happening behind the scenes [file pointers, handling eof, string
handling, finding/replacing patterns etc.,] before taking things for
granted. These important details can be better understood by learning to
program in Assembly / C/C++ first.

Regards,
Harish


On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>wrote:

>
> The education panel at PyCon India might help if we can get sufficiently
> senior people there. I'm trying to organise it so please let me know if
> there are contacts you can leverage/strings you can pull.
>
> Get onto the PyCOn India mailing list if you want to help with it.
>
> Samarendra <knightsamar at gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Regarding pass percentages, maybe if someone can show how easy it is to
> > teach and learn python as compared to C++, I think they will appreciate
> it
> > and at least get a bit interested in it.
> >
> > Maybe some kind of "guest lecture" on Python would highlight the ease of
> > learning and teaching.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 7:06 PM, L Radhakrishna Rao <
> satishsagar83 at gmail.com
> >> wrote:
> >
> >> But it is tough to convince authority, because, they have only one
> thing in
> >> mind, to show high score, that we have pass percentages of this much.
> >>
> >> So, we will have to come up with a great plan.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 7:04 PM, L Radhakrishna Rao <
> >> satishsagar83 at gmail.com
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi Satyaakam,
> >> >
> >> > If i tell you, I was thinking on a project to write a book on python
> :),
> >> I
> >> > guess i can really contribute on this.
> >> >
> >> > And our target audience are going to be kids, so , we can brain
> storm, on
> >> > this, but then, I don't want this to be a run of the mill kind of
> books,
> >> I
> >> > always wanted a book in such a manner, which occupies the reader, and
> >> makes
> >> > him think, visualize :).
> >> >
> >> > All we need is a publisher.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 7:01 PM, satyaakam goswami <
> satyaakam at gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Learning must not stop, unfortunately, now days, the curriculum of
> >> >> schools,
> >> >> > universities etc are not meant to produce leaders, but to make
> >> followers
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> all are great points from Arun and you , yes i agree the whole
> purpose
> >> of
> >> >> the present education system presently is "teach to test "
> >> >>
> >> >> so the actionable items i see are
> >> >>
> >> >> 1) Writing the book
> >> >> 2) Talking to the concerned authorities about the book and the
> material
> >> >> available.
> >> >> 3) Training the teachers .
> >> >> 3) Have a panel discussion on this topic in Pycon India.
> >> >> 4) .... what else ?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -Satya
> >> >> Satyaakam.net <http://satyaakam.net/> | fossevents.in |
> fossacademy.org
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> BangPypers mailing list
> >> >> BangPypers at python.org
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> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
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> >>
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> >
>
> --
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> Noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
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From satyaakam at gmail.com  Sun Jun 30 20:53:56 2013
From: satyaakam at gmail.com (satyaakam goswami)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 00:23:56 +0530
Subject: [BangPypers] CBSE to teach introduction to python in class 11
	and 12
In-Reply-To: <CAAZd-jRo7gGVs5s_mZr9vRmZ0eO+r-H+bC-vFcWN4pSHc7H2ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 7:04 PM, L Radhakrishna Rao <satishsagar83 at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Hi Satyaakam,
>
> If i tell you, I was thinking on a project to write a book on python :), I
> guess i can really contribute on this.


https://github.com/pythonindia/education/blob/master/README.txt


> And our target audience are going to be kids, so , we can brain storm, on
> this, but then, I don't want this to be a run of the mill kind of books, I
> always wanted a book in such a manner, which occupies the reader, and makes
> him think, visualize :).
>

been thinking on the approaches initially was like
http://wiki.scratch.mit.edu/wiki/Python , but realized it will be too much
to digest in  just one go , then the other approach can be like
http://thepythongamebook.com/en:start  ,

All we need is a publisher.
>

hmm no idea if that was the original intent of this whole exercise but we
do not know how this whole project is going to shape up so lets start with
the online version first.



-Satya
Satyaakam.net <http://satyaakam.net/> | fossevents.in | fossacademy.org