From sumanshweta44 at gmail.com Thu Mar 2 12:30:00 2017 From: sumanshweta44 at gmail.com (sumanshweta44 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2017 09:30:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post][PyDelhi] PyDelhiConf - Call for Dev sprints Message-ID: <58b85698.d10c620a.96303.48b0@mx.google.com> Howdy Devs As you may be aware, this year we are hosting the second iteration of PyDelhi conference. This year we are dedicating the entire second day of the conference to Dev sprints & Workshops. Dev sprints are one of the best ways to collaborate real time on projects and guide contributors directly than the usual interactions via IRC or mailing lists. It is an effective way of increasing confidence of developers and encouraging them to become active contributors of open source projects. We would like to invite you to come forward and help us out in making the PyDelhi Conf DevSprint successful. What are we expecting from you ? In order of priority, 1. If you are active in any open source project, please become a mentor of that project in the sprint and guide/mentor developers to contribute patches or enhancements. 2. If you are unable to actively mentor during the conference, kindly suggest issues that developers can pick up during the sprint and solve realistically within low scale of mentorship. 3. If you are unable to suggest issues, kindly suggest up to 5 open source projects and people who could mentor that project so that developes can hack on during the dev sprint. 4. If you know someone actively contributing to any open source project, please spread the word regarding the dev sprint and invite him/her with the project and ask if they are will to mentor it, for the sprint. 5. The person who is mentoring for Dev sprints must be attending the conference. Kindly fill the dev sprints form[1] with the details. Also please reply to this thread, indicating how much you can involve yourself with the Dev sprints. For more details, visit conerence website[2]. Get tickets for conference here [3]. [1] http://bit.ly/2lOEePa [2] conference.pydelhi.org [3] bit.do/pydelhiticket Thank you & Regards, Shweta Suman Dev sprint co-ordinator Team PyDelhi Conf From mak.gnu at gmail.com Sun Mar 5 08:17:16 2017 From: mak.gnu at gmail.com (Mukesh Yadav) Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 18:47:16 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] SOAP service with SAML Message-ID: Hi all, I'm trying to implement soap service with SAML for that I'm evaluating a pysaml2 library. I'm able to create IDP and SP as per the example, but I'm confused how to create Soap service which will act as SP. Any pointer would be appreciated. -- Regards Mukesh Yadav mukeshyadav.com From abhi.belliappa at terracetechlabs.com Tue Mar 7 00:42:27 2017 From: abhi.belliappa at terracetechlabs.com (Abhimanyu Belliappa) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 11:12:27 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [Bangpypers][Commercial] [Job] hiring software engineers, data scientist and analysts for Terrace Tech Labs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear all, We at terrace tech labs are looking to hire a data scientist, analyst and a software engineer with skills in Django and Python. Please find the link to apply below. The JD's for each position and more are posted on the site. Apply at https://terracetechlabs.com Thanks and regards Abhi Belliappa From dasarindam35 at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 03:33:05 2017 From: dasarindam35 at gmail.com (Arindam Das) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 14:03:05 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [Bangpypers][Commercial] [Job] hiring software engineers, data scientist and analysts for Terrace Tech Labs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Abhi, I know R, for data analysis. On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Abhimanyu Belliappa < abhi.belliappa at terracetechlabs.com> wrote: > Dear all, > > > We at terrace tech labs are looking to hire a data scientist, analyst and a > software engineer with skills in Django and Python. Please find the link to > apply below. The JD's for each position and more are posted on the site. > > Apply at https://terracetechlabs.com > > Thanks and regards > Abhi Belliappa > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From abhi.belliappa at terracetechlabs.com Tue Mar 7 03:36:54 2017 From: abhi.belliappa at terracetechlabs.com (Abhimanyu Belliappa) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 14:06:54 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [Bangpypers][Commercial] [Job] hiring software engineers, data scientist and analysts for Terrace Tech Labs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arindam, Please go to the link and apply for the pain asking with the others that interest you. Please share the link with anyone else interested in applying for a position with us. Terracetechlabs.com Thanks and regards Abhi Belliappa On 7 Mar 2017 14:03, "Arindam Das" wrote: > Dear Abhi, > > I know R, for data analysis. > > On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Abhimanyu Belliappa < > abhi.belliappa at terracetechlabs.com> wrote: > > > Dear all, > > > > > > We at terrace tech labs are looking to hire a data scientist, analyst > and a > > software engineer with skills in Django and Python. Please find the link > to > > apply below. The JD's for each position and more are posted on the site. > > > > Apply at https://terracetechlabs.com > > > > Thanks and regards > > Abhi Belliappa > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From ankur at numeratelabs.com Tue Mar 7 03:37:57 2017 From: ankur at numeratelabs.com (Ankur Gupta) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 14:07:57 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [Bangpypers][Commercial] [Job] hiring software engineers, data scientist and analysts for Terrace Tech Labs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Please take this conversation off the mailing list. Thanks, Ankur Founder - NumerateLabs Twitter - @originalankur On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Abhimanyu Belliappa < abhi.belliappa at terracetechlabs.com> wrote: > Hi Arindam, > > > Please go to the link and apply for the pain asking with the others that > interest you. > > Please share the link with anyone else interested in applying for a > position with us. > > Terracetechlabs.com > > Thanks and regards > Abhi Belliappa > > On 7 Mar 2017 14:03, "Arindam Das" wrote: > > > Dear Abhi, > > > > I know R, for data analysis. > > > > On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Abhimanyu Belliappa < > > abhi.belliappa at terracetechlabs.com> wrote: > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > We at terrace tech labs are looking to hire a data scientist, analyst > > and a > > > software engineer with skills in Django and Python. Please find the > link > > to > > > apply below. The JD's for each position and more are posted on the > site. > > > > > > Apply at https://terracetechlabs.com > > > > > > Thanks and regards > > > Abhi Belliappa > > > _______________________________________________ > > > BangPypers mailing list > > > BangPypers at python.org > > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Tue Mar 7 11:02:45 2017 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 21:32:45 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [PythonExpress] Request for support to PythonExpress Project Message-ID: Hi All, As many of you know that PythonExpress has helped quite a good number of students learn Python from last three years, we are looking for more helping hands to support the project. Please visit http://blog.pythonexpress.in/posts/support-request/ for more details. Looking forward to broadening our reach. Thanks, Vijay From kracethekingmaker at gmail.com Mon Mar 13 04:40:42 2017 From: kracethekingmaker at gmail.com (kracekumar ramaraju) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:10:42 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [Meetup] March IoT Workshop Message-ID: Hi This month BangPypers is conducting an IoT workshop on *March 18th from 2:00 PM to 5:30 PM.* After a long time, the event is in the afternoon. So catch up some extra sleep on Saturday morning. Agenda: - What is the idea of the workshop? The idea of the workshop is to get people experience on end to end IoT implementation. We?ll understand how devices send signals to the gateway and how those signals can be used (using python) for a device to device communication and device to analytics. For a device, to analytics module, we?ll use Azure. - What will participants learn? - Typical architecture of IoT implementation - Hands on experience with Python in IoT - Analytic services on Azure Requirements - Bring your laptop with Python installed. - We will have 10 IoT devices (Raspberry Pi) for all participants. You will sit as a group and use the device. Speaker: Sudhir Rawat is an evangelist at Microsoft India Pvt Ltd. Address: First Floor, Microsoft Signature Building, Embassy Golf Links Business Park, Domlur, Bengaluru, Karnataka 560071 Google Map URL: https://goo.gl/maps/XaQ54XNkhBG2 RSVP is open. Show your interest https://www.meetup.com/BangPypers/events/236371825/ or share with interested folks. -- *Thanks & Regardskracekumar"Talk is cheap, show me the code" -- Linus Torvaldshttp://kracekumar.com * From kracethekingmaker at gmail.com Mon Mar 13 06:15:42 2017 From: kracethekingmaker at gmail.com (kracekumar ramaraju) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 15:45:42 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] New experimental format In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All The meetup was well received and there were seven talks. We experimented using PeriScope and mobile camera to capture the videos [0][1]. The complete event summary is available in the blog post [2]. Feedback and suggestions are welcome. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIYL-l3N9VLFbqMum40D-1w [1]: https://www.periscope.tv/__bangpypers__/1YqKDXmLMpVKV [2]: http://bangalore.python.org.in/blog/2017/02/18/feb-short-talks/ 2017-01-25 17:59 GMT+05:30 kracekumar ramaraju : > > > 2017-01-25 17:51 GMT+05:30 Arjunil Pathak : > >> +1 to new format >> Curious - when was the last Dev sprint held? >> > > The last dev sprint was on April, 2016 [0][1]. You can read all the meetup > details from blog [2]. > > [0]: https://www.meetup.com/BangPypers/events/225109023/ > [1]: http://bangalore.python.org.in/blog/2016/04/23/april-dev-sprint/ > [2]: http://bangalore.python.org.in/ > > >> Regards, >> Arjunil >> >> On 25-Jan-2017 3:40 pm, "Deep Sukhwani" wrote: >> >> +1 to experimenting with new format. >> ? >> >> -- >> Regards >> Deep L Sukhwani >> >> On 25 January 2017 at 15:24, kracekumar ramaraju < >> kracethekingmaker at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > 2017-01-25 15:20 GMT+05:30 ashish makani : >> > >> > > Just curious, how was the new format arrived at ? >> > > Was there voting ? >> > > >> > >> > The organizing team, Siva, Chillar Anand and Krace were ok with "new >> > experimental format". >> > So we decided to ask inputs in ML and experiment in a meetup. >> > >> > >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > ashish >> > > >> > > On Jan 25, 2017 2:57 PM, "kracekumar ramaraju" < >> > > kracethekingmaker at gmail.com> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > Hi >> > > > >> > > > Each talk at BangPypers meetup is $5 minutes or 30 minutes or 15 >> > > minutes. >> > > > The terminology used is full-length talk and flash talks. In >> general, >> > > > meetup has a maximum of five talks on a tight day. The another >> format >> > at >> > > > the meetup is workshops - hands-on session for half a day or full >> day. >> > > > >> > > > The new format is the meetup with only flash talks. Each talk is 15 >> > > minutes >> > > > and 10 minutes presentation and 5 minutes Q&A. The talk will have >> > strict >> > > > timing guidelines. We won't throw eggs at the speaker but hard stop. >> > Each >> > > > meetup can contain 6 to 10 talks. >> > > > >> > > > Why new format? >> > > > >> > > > - Reduce talking barrier. >> > > > - Accommodate more speakers. >> > > > - Talk about a smallest possible topic. >> > > > >> > > > I'd like to hear your thoughts and inputs. Feb meetup will follow >> new >> > > > proposed format [0]. If you're already excited to give a talk, >> leave a >> > > > comment on the meetup page with title and a small description. >> > > > >> > > > [0]: https://www.meetup.com/BangPypers/events/236371821/ >> > > > -- >> > > > >> > > > *Thanks & Regardskracekumar"Talk is cheap, show me the code" -- >> Linus >> > > > Torvaldshttp://kracekumar.com * >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > BangPypers mailing list >> > > > BangPypers at python.org >> > > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > BangPypers mailing list >> > > BangPypers at python.org >> > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > *Thanks & Regardskracekumar"Talk is cheap, show me the code" -- Linus >> > Torvaldshttp://kracekumar.com * >> > _______________________________________________ >> > BangPypers mailing list >> > BangPypers at python.org >> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> BangPypers mailing list >> BangPypers at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> _______________________________________________ >> BangPypers mailing list >> BangPypers at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> > > > > -- > > *Thanks & Regardskracekumar"Talk is cheap, show me the code" -- Linus > Torvaldshttp://kracekumar.com * > -- *Thanks & Regardskracekumar"Talk is cheap, show me the code" -- Linus Torvaldshttp://kracekumar.com * From chirag200666 at gmail.com Sat Mar 11 13:34:15 2017 From: chirag200666 at gmail.com (Chirag Choudhary) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 00:04:15 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Hyderabad Python Group : Meetup Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Everybody, I would like to share a few updates about the recent activities in Hyderabad Python Group:- We recently conducted a meetup in lightning talk format where two speakers presented on different topics: Writing Clean code & Intro to SQLAlchemy. Recently, we've also got Venue sponsorship from Fission Labs where we conducted the above mentioned event in collaboration with Free code camp Hyderabad. PFA the pictures. Our revamped website was launched: hydpy.org Our mailing list is now on python.org: https://mail.python.org/mm3/mailman3/lists/hydpy.python.org/ Upcoming meetup events are lightning talk on March 24th and then Python 101 Hands-on session on April 8th. Please join our meetup group for info about our upcoming events. Note : CC mailing lists - chennaipy at python.org, bangpypers at python.org , kolpy at python.org, dehradun-python at python.org, ncr-python.in at python.org Regards, Chirag Choudhary Volunteer Hydpy Chirag Choudhary Techie, Entrepreneur Nebulae On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 10:35 PM, E Manivannan < elangovan.manivannan at gmail.com> wrote: > > Talk about emailing list as well - b\c it has changed. Over all it's looks > good. Go ahead & send it out. > CC - me explicitly and put as note - CC emailing list: > > Include the upcoming session as well - lighting talk on 24th and 101 > Python Hands-on session on 8th as well. > > __Mani > > > On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Chirag Choudhary > wrote: > >> Hi Mani, >> >> Please have a look at the email intended for: chennaipy at python.org, >> bangpypers at python.org , kolpy at python.org, dehradun-python at python.org, >> ncr-python.in at python.org >> >> Hi Everybody, >> >> We would like to share few updates about recent activities in Hyderabad >> Python Group:- >> >> We recently conducted meetup in a lightning talk format where two >> speakers presented on different topics: Writing Clean code & Intro to >> SQLAlchemy. We recently got Venue sponsorship from Fission Labs where we >> conducted our event in collaboration with Free code camp Hyderabad. >> >> We launched our revamped website: hydpy.org >> >> Please join our meetup group >> for info about >> our upcoming events. >> >> Regards, >> Chirag Choudhary >> Volunteer >> Hydpy >> > > From mss4.kec at gmail.com Tue Mar 14 03:11:55 2017 From: mss4.kec at gmail.com (Shanmugasundaram) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 12:41:55 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python/Django Developer (3-5 Years) @ Benir Message-ID: Hi Everyone, We are looking for a talented Django Developers to work as part of the team. If interested, please do drop me a mail at *shan at benir.in * or *hr at benir.in
*. Below about Benir & JD. *About Benir:* Founded ten years ago with its headquarters in Bangalore, India, Benir e-Store Solutions now operates wholly-owned offices in 8 strategic Indian cities ? Bangalore, New Delhi, Gurgaon, Mumbai, Chennai, Kolkata, Hyderabad and Pune, With large warehouse facilities, a robust delivery fleet and a strong local distribution network known for speed and connectivity, the Company is able to rapidly cater to its 1200 Customers? needs across the country and ensure efficient order fulfillment, distribution, shipping and reliable delivery. Benir's technical infrastructure backs the entire business operations 24x7. Cutting edge technologies are used to engineer the state of art applications which includes customized integrated solutions with existing B2B, CRM, ERP systems. *Roles and Responsibilities:* In this role, you will be a part of our core platform development team and closely be working with CTO in designing and architecting the end to end platform. You will be responsible for developing a new application and adding new enhancements and features to the existing applications ensuring performance, responsiveness, and availability to the users. You will also be responsible for integrating various systems from our clients that facilitate the management of seamless procurement experience. In addition to that *Skills Required:* - Strong proven expertise with Python - Expert level proficiency in Django framework - Good knowledge in HTML/CSS/JavaScript skills - Experience building REST based API?s - Exceptional hands-on with relational databases and NoSQL - Good understanding of Git based workflows - Familiarity with a variety of AWS services ; most importantly EC2 , RDS, S3 - Hands on experience on working with queuing technologies like RabbitMQ / ZeroMQ - Familiarity with continuous deployment process and modern container-based deployments - Understanding of fundamental design principles behind a scalable application - Strong unit test and debugging skills - Good understanding about Data Structures and Algorithms - Familiarity with optimizing web application to improve the performance - Proficient understating of data modeling and entity modeling - Familiarity with Linux like operating systems -- Regards M.Shanmugasundaram, From sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com Thu Mar 16 02:05:50 2017 From: sanyam.khurana01 at gmail.com (Sanyam Khurana) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:35:50 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] PyDelhi Conf: Open Communities: Common issues and how we can collaborate together Message-ID: Greetings, On behalf of PyDelhi Conf 2017 [1] organizing team, we would like to invite a representative from your community to discuss on "Open Communities: Common issues and how we can collaborate together.". We aim to bring all Open Source communities together; discussing various problems we face as a community and figure out opportunities for collaboration to further strengthen Open Source. All of us at PyDelhi look forward to have a great discussion and understand how Open Source culture can be nourished. [1]: https://conference.pydelhi.org/ Thanks, Sanyam On behalf of Team PyDelhi -- Mozilla Rep http://www.SanyamKhurana.com Github: CuriousLearner From srinivas at solancer.com Sun Mar 19 17:14:20 2017 From: srinivas at solancer.com (Srinivas Gowda) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 02:44:20 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python IOT project Help Message-ID: Hi Guys, I'm working on a Raspberry PI IOT project for a non profit organization. I'm looking for some help/pointers on achieving the project goals. I'm also willing to pay for the time you spend on helping me with the project. PFA *link* to project description and files.. Regards, Srinivas Gowda From akshay95aradhya at gmail.com Sun Mar 19 17:23:08 2017 From: akshay95aradhya at gmail.com (Akshay Aradhya) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 21:23:08 +0000 Subject: [BangPypers] Python IOT project Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just did a quick read on the PDF and I couldn't figure out what the end goal/product was. So which NGO is this and what are you trying to achieve ? How is this IoT related ? Also what you are looking for is quite complex and tedious. You might want to consider hiring someone for this. On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 at 2:45 AM, Srinivas Gowda wrote: Hi Guys, I'm working on a Raspberry PI IOT project for a non profit organization. I'm looking for some help/pointers on achieving the project goals. I'm also willing to pay for the time you spend on helping me with the project. PFA *link* < https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B-ur3z1vqaPscVhFSmM2THJNUEU?usp=sharing > to project description and files.. Regards, Srinivas Gowda _______________________________________________ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers From tejascoding at gmail.com Sun Mar 19 22:01:43 2017 From: tejascoding at gmail.com (Tejas S) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 07:31:43 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python IOT project Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi srinivas, I quickly went through the pdf .I am new to rasberry python . I will greatfull to help if u can tell me the task that has to be done. I can work with u . Regards, Tejas From kracethekingmaker at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 07:45:50 2017 From: kracethekingmaker at gmail.com (kracekumar ramaraju) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 17:15:50 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [Meetup] March IoT Workshop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi The meetup on Saturday received an overwhelming response! 267 people showed interest and we accepted 134 RSVPs. 75 people came down for the meetup. It's 55.97%. The event report is available on the blog [0]. [0]: http://bangalore.python.org.in/blog/2017/03/18/mar-workshop/ -- *Thanks & Regardskracekumar"Talk is cheap, show me the code" -- Linus Torvaldshttp://kracekumar.com * From kracethekingmaker at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 07:51:36 2017 From: kracethekingmaker at gmail.com (kracekumar ramaraju) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 17:21:36 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Meetup: Learn Algorithm with Python 1 Message-ID: Hi BangPypers is hosting learn algorithm with Python on 25th, March from 2:30 to 5:30 in Thought Factory, Domlur. The workshop will cover following topics - Algorithm and Big-O Notation - Sorting - Bubble Sort - Selection Sort - Quick Sort - Searching - Sequential Search - Binary Search - Trees - Binary Search Tree - Balanced Binary Search Tree aka AVL Tree The complete details are available in Meetup page, and RSVP is open [0]. [0]: https://www.meetup.com/BangPypers/events/238052401/ -- *Thanks & Regardskracekumar"Talk is cheap, show me the code" -- Linus Torvaldshttp://kracekumar.com * From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Mon Mar 20 07:53:43 2017 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 17:23:43 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Meetup: Learn Algorithm with Python 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3e480c25e295ba1e69960bea792450c8@nibrahim.net.in> Excellent work everyone. Bangpypers is becoming really enviable. I'm almost regretting leaving Bangalore. :) On 2017-03-20 17:21, kracekumar ramaraju wrote: > Hi > > BangPypers is hosting learn algorithm with Python on 25th, March from > 2:30 > to 5:30 in Thought Factory, Domlur. > > The workshop will cover following topics > > - Algorithm and Big-O Notation > > - Sorting > - Bubble Sort > - Selection Sort > - Quick Sort > > - Searching > - Sequential Search > - Binary Search > > - Trees > - Binary Search Tree > - Balanced Binary Search Tree aka AVL Tree > > The complete details are available in Meetup page, and RSVP is open > [0]. > > [0]: https://www.meetup.com/BangPypers/events/238052401/ From nitin.nitp at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 07:57:30 2017 From: nitin.nitp at gmail.com (Nitin Kumar) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 17:27:30 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [Meetup] March IoT Workshop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 56%, This is bad. I really wanted to attend this one but could not make it as I was waitlisted. I think we should charge some minimal amount, say 200rs to register and return it back once they turn up for event. :) So if 75 ppl dont make it, we have 15k to do something for the community. Nitin Kr On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 5:15 PM, kracekumar ramaraju < kracethekingmaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi > > The meetup on Saturday received an overwhelming response! > > 267 people showed interest and we accepted 134 RSVPs. 75 people came down > for the meetup. It's 55.97%. > > The event report is available on the blog [0]. > > [0]: http://bangalore.python.org.in/blog/2017/03/18/mar-workshop/ > > -- > > *Thanks & Regardskracekumar"Talk is cheap, show me the code" -- Linus > Torvaldshttp://kracekumar.com * > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From vsapre80 at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 08:50:15 2017 From: vsapre80 at gmail.com (Vishal) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 18:20:15 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Meetup: Learn Algorithm with Python 1 In-Reply-To: <3e480c25e295ba1e69960bea792450c8@nibrahim.net.in> References: <3e480c25e295ba1e69960bea792450c8@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Same here. Keep it up BangPypers :) Best regards, Vishal Thanks and best regards, Vishal Sapre --- Please DONT print this email, unless you really need to. Save Energy & Paper. Save the Earth. On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Excellent work everyone. Bangpypers is becoming really enviable. I'm > almost regretting leaving Bangalore. :) > > On 2017-03-20 17:21, kracekumar ramaraju wrote: > >> Hi >> >> BangPypers is hosting learn algorithm with Python on 25th, March from >> 2:30 >> to 5:30 in Thought Factory, Domlur. >> >> The workshop will cover following topics >> >> - Algorithm and Big-O Notation >> >> - Sorting >> - Bubble Sort >> - Selection Sort >> - Quick Sort >> >> - Searching >> - Sequential Search >> - Binary Search >> >> - Trees >> - Binary Search Tree >> - Balanced Binary Search Tree aka AVL Tree >> >> The complete details are available in Meetup page, and RSVP is open [0]. >> >> [0]: https://www.meetup.com/BangPypers/events/238052401/ >> > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From stefanprasad at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 09:35:45 2017 From: stefanprasad at gmail.com (Stephen Prasad) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 19:05:45 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python IOT project Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi there, How can I unsubscribe to this mail? I left the group more than 5 months back and still get emails. Can something be done about this? Thanks, Steve On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 7:31 AM, Tejas S wrote: > Hi srinivas, > I quickly went through the pdf .I am new to rasberry python . I will > greatfull to help if u can tell me the task that has to be done. > I can work with u . > Regards, > Tejas > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From bpatel666 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Mar 20 10:00:33 2017 From: bpatel666 at yahoo.co.uk (Bhavin Patel) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:00:33 +0000 Subject: [BangPypers] Python IOT project Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <718687FD-7B07-47FD-8E71-00E2C44C5A72@yahoo.co.uk> Have you followed the steps to unsubscribe? "Seek and you shall find" says the holy book.....:) Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 20, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Stephen Prasad wrote: > > Hi there, > How can I unsubscribe to this mail? > I left the group more than 5 months back and still get emails. > Can something be done about this? > > Thanks, > Steve > >> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 7:31 AM, Tejas S wrote: >> >> Hi srinivas, >> I quickly went through the pdf .I am new to rasberry python . I will >> greatfull to help if u can tell me the task that has to be done. >> I can work with u . >> Regards, >> Tejas >> _______________________________________________ >> BangPypers mailing list >> BangPypers at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers From kracethekingmaker at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 10:26:19 2017 From: kracethekingmaker at gmail.com (kracekumar ramaraju) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 19:56:19 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [Meetup] March IoT Workshop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2017-03-20 17:27 GMT+05:30 Nitin Kumar : > 56%, This is bad. I really wanted to attend this one but could not make it > as I was waitlisted. > The venue capacity was 50 + 10 extra seating arrangement without devices. We estimated 40% turn out and allowed 134 RSVPs. > > I think we should charge some minimal amount, say 200rs to register and > return it back once they turn up for event. :) > So if 75 ppl dont make it, we have 15k to do something for the community. > > This idea was proposed earlier as well. Few meetups in Bangalore follow this approach. Good time to discuss in separate thread. > > > Nitin Kr > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 5:15 PM, kracekumar ramaraju < > kracethekingmaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > From kracethekingmaker at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 11:02:24 2017 From: kracethekingmaker at gmail.com (kracekumar ramaraju) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:32:24 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Improving meetup attendance Message-ID: Hi As of today, there are 5394 members in BangPypers meetup [0]. For last meetup (IoT Workshop), 267 participants showed interest. We allowed 134 RSVPs and waitlisted 133 attendees. As Nitin mentioned in previous thread, he couldn't attend the meetup since he was in waitlist. 75 people participated in the event. Turnout ratio was 56%. Our expectation was only 40% people would attend. That's the rationale behind 134 RSVP limit. This kind of scenario happens at least once or twice in a year. To solve the RSVP problem, few meetups charge a monetary fee of 100Rs [1] and return the amount when participant shows up on the event day(after deducting gateway costs). Some meetup [2] donates the collected fee to organizations like EFF, FSF, Software Freedom Conservancy and other non-profit organization. Some meetup uses the amount to distribute goodies to the speaker, and spend on snacks and food. The meetup tried charging a small amount and now reverted [3]. The collecting money has administrative work - Use one of the organizer bank accounts, record attended participants, return payment (not sure payment gateways will be happy returning money for the majority of transactions). Will you be interested in paying for the meetup with a refund? I'd like to hear input from others regarding in this matter from all front. [0]: https://www.meetup.com/BangPypers [1]: https://www.instamojo.com/cloudyuga/microservices-and-serverless-event-docker-me/ [2]: https://www.meetup.com/hack-and-tell/events/229586790/ [3]: https://www.meetup.com/hack-and-tell/events/237149625/ -- *Thanks & Regardskracekumar"Talk is cheap, show me the code" -- Linus Torvaldshttp://kracekumar.com * From anandology at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 12:14:10 2017 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 21:44:10 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Improving meetup attendance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 8:32 PM, kracekumar ramaraju < kracethekingmaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi > > As of today, there are 5394 members in BangPypers meetup [0]. For last > meetup (IoT Workshop), 267 participants showed interest. We allowed 134 > RSVPs and waitlisted 133 attendees. As Nitin mentioned in previous thread, > he couldn't attend the meetup since he was in waitlist. 75 people > participated in the event. Turnout ratio was 56%. Our expectation was only > 40% people would attend. That's the rationale behind 134 RSVP limit. > > This kind of scenario happens at least once or twice in a year. > > To solve the RSVP problem, few meetups charge a monetary fee of 100Rs [1] > and return the amount when participant shows up on the event day(after > deducting gateway costs). Some meetup [2] donates the collected fee to > organizations like EFF, FSF, Software Freedom Conservancy and other > non-profit organization. Some meetup uses the amount to distribute goodies > to the speaker, and spend on snacks and food. The meetup tried charging a > small amount and now reverted [3]. > > The collecting money has administrative work - Use one of the organizer > bank accounts, record attended participants, return payment (not sure > payment gateways will be happy returning money for the majority of > transactions). > > Will you be interested in paying for the meetup with a refund? > I'd like to hear input from others regarding in this matter from all front. > Having a small barrier of entry is good to eliminate noise. To make things easy to manage, you can probably take help of PSSI in managing payments. Also using bank account of one of the organizers may create accounting/tax issues for him. Good to see 75 people attending the meetup and waiting list. Good work, organizers! Anand From ramaswamyrakesh5 at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 12:35:04 2017 From: ramaswamyrakesh5 at gmail.com (Rakesh Ramaswamy) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:05:04 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] BangPypers Digest, Vol 115, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: *Can we have this session happen again on the IOT with Python ?* *I had a bad accident and couldn't make it for the event unfortunately.* *Looking forward to making it for the next meetup on IOT.* On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 9:30 PM, wrote: > Send BangPypers mailing list submissions to > bangpypers at python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > bangpypers-request at python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > bangpypers-owner at python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of BangPypers digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Meetup: Learn Algorithm with Python 1 (Vishal) > 2. Re: Python IOT project Help (Stephen Prasad) > 3. Re: Python IOT project Help (Bhavin Patel) > 4. Re: [Meetup] March IoT Workshop (kracekumar ramaraju) > 5. Improving meetup attendance (kracekumar ramaraju) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 18:20:15 +0530 > From: Vishal > To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India > Cc: BangPypers > Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Meetup: Learn Algorithm with Python 1 > Message-ID: > p-dzVFA at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Same here. > Keep it up BangPypers :) > > Best regards, > Vishal > > > Thanks and best regards, > Vishal Sapre > > --- > Please DONT print this email, unless you really need to. Save Energy & > Paper. Save the Earth. > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Noufal Ibrahim > wrote: > > > Excellent work everyone. Bangpypers is becoming really enviable. I'm > > almost regretting leaving Bangalore. :) > > > > On 2017-03-20 17:21, kracekumar ramaraju wrote: > > > >> Hi > >> > >> BangPypers is hosting learn algorithm with Python on 25th, March from > >> 2:30 > >> to 5:30 in Thought Factory, Domlur. > >> > >> The workshop will cover following topics > >> > >> - Algorithm and Big-O Notation > >> > >> - Sorting > >> - Bubble Sort > >> - Selection Sort > >> - Quick Sort > >> > >> - Searching > >> - Sequential Search > >> - Binary Search > >> > >> - Trees > >> - Binary Search Tree > >> - Balanced Binary Search Tree aka AVL Tree > >> > >> The complete details are available in Meetup page, and RSVP is open [0]. > >> > >> [0]: https://www.meetup.com/BangPypers/events/238052401/ > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 19:05:45 +0530 > From: Stephen Prasad > To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India > Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Python IOT project Help > Message-ID: > mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hi there, > How can I unsubscribe to this mail? > I left the group more than 5 months back and still get emails. > Can something be done about this? > > Thanks, > Steve > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 7:31 AM, Tejas S wrote: > > > Hi srinivas, > > I quickly went through the pdf .I am new to rasberry python . I will > > greatfull to help if u can tell me the task that has to be done. > > I can work with u . > > Regards, > > Tejas > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:00:33 +0000 > From: Bhavin Patel > To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India > Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Python IOT project Help > Message-ID: <718687FD-7B07-47FD-8E71-00E2C44C5A72 at yahoo.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Have you followed the steps to unsubscribe? "Seek and you shall find" says > the holy book.....:) > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Mar 20, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Stephen Prasad > wrote: > > > > Hi there, > > How can I unsubscribe to this mail? > > I left the group more than 5 months back and still get emails. > > Can something be done about this? > > > > Thanks, > > Steve > > > >> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 7:31 AM, Tejas S wrote: > >> > >> Hi srinivas, > >> I quickly went through the pdf .I am new to rasberry python . I will > >> greatfull to help if u can tell me the task that has to be done. > >> I can work with u . > >> Regards, > >> Tejas > >> _______________________________________________ > >> BangPypers mailing list > >> BangPypers at python.org > >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 19:56:19 +0530 > From: kracekumar ramaraju > To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India > Subject: Re: [BangPypers] [Meetup] March IoT Workshop > Message-ID: > UTcTGW0Ocza6fg at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > 2017-03-20 17:27 GMT+05:30 Nitin Kumar : > > > 56%, This is bad. I really wanted to attend this one but could not make > it > > as I was waitlisted. > > > > The venue capacity was 50 + 10 extra seating arrangement without devices. > We estimated 40% turn out and allowed 134 RSVPs. > > > > > > I think we should charge some minimal amount, say 200rs to register and > > return it back once they turn up for event. :) > > So if 75 ppl dont make it, we have 15k to do something for the community. > > > > > This idea was proposed earlier as well. Few meetups in Bangalore follow > this approach. > Good time to discuss in separate thread. > > > > > > > > Nitin Kr > > > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 5:15 PM, kracekumar ramaraju < > > kracethekingmaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:32:24 +0530 > From: kracekumar ramaraju > To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India > Subject: [BangPypers] Improving meetup attendance > Message-ID: > mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hi > > As of today, there are 5394 members in BangPypers meetup [0]. For last > meetup (IoT Workshop), 267 participants showed interest. We allowed 134 > RSVPs and waitlisted 133 attendees. As Nitin mentioned in previous thread, > he couldn't attend the meetup since he was in waitlist. 75 people > participated in the event. Turnout ratio was 56%. Our expectation was only > 40% people would attend. That's the rationale behind 134 RSVP limit. > > This kind of scenario happens at least once or twice in a year. > > To solve the RSVP problem, few meetups charge a monetary fee of 100Rs [1] > and return the amount when participant shows up on the event day(after > deducting gateway costs). Some meetup [2] donates the collected fee to > organizations like EFF, FSF, Software Freedom Conservancy and other > non-profit organization. Some meetup uses the amount to distribute goodies > to the speaker, and spend on snacks and food. The meetup tried charging a > small amount and now reverted [3]. > > The collecting money has administrative work - Use one of the organizer > bank accounts, record attended participants, return payment (not sure > payment gateways will be happy returning money for the majority of > transactions). > > Will you be interested in paying for the meetup with a refund? > I'd like to hear input from others regarding in this matter from all front. > > [0]: https://www.meetup.com/BangPypers > [1]: > https://www.instamojo.com/cloudyuga/microservices-and- > serverless-event-docker-me/ > [2]: https://www.meetup.com/hack-and-tell/events/229586790/ > [3]: https://www.meetup.com/hack-and-tell/events/237149625/ > -- > > *Thanks & Regardskracekumar"Talk is cheap, show me the code" -- Linus > Torvaldshttp://kracekumar.com * > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > ------------------------------ > > End of BangPypers Digest, Vol 115, Issue 9 > ****************************************** > From nitin.nitp at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 13:54:45 2017 From: nitin.nitp at gmail.com (Nitin Kumar) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 23:24:45 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Improving meetup attendance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would vote for paying 100rs and let that be used for snacks and goodies for the speaker. Nitin Kr On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 8:32 PM, kracekumar ramaraju < > kracethekingmaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi > > > > As of today, there are 5394 members in BangPypers meetup [0]. For last > > meetup (IoT Workshop), 267 participants showed interest. We allowed 134 > > RSVPs and waitlisted 133 attendees. As Nitin mentioned in previous > thread, > > he couldn't attend the meetup since he was in waitlist. 75 people > > participated in the event. Turnout ratio was 56%. Our expectation was > only > > 40% people would attend. That's the rationale behind 134 RSVP limit. > > > > This kind of scenario happens at least once or twice in a year. > > > > To solve the RSVP problem, few meetups charge a monetary fee of 100Rs [1] > > and return the amount when participant shows up on the event day(after > > deducting gateway costs). Some meetup [2] donates the collected fee to > > organizations like EFF, FSF, Software Freedom Conservancy and other > > non-profit organization. Some meetup uses the amount to distribute > goodies > > to the speaker, and spend on snacks and food. The meetup tried charging a > > small amount and now reverted [3]. > > > > The collecting money has administrative work - Use one of the organizer > > bank accounts, record attended participants, return payment (not sure > > payment gateways will be happy returning money for the majority of > > transactions). > > > > Will you be interested in paying for the meetup with a refund? > > I'd like to hear input from others regarding in this matter from all > front. > > > > Having a small barrier of entry is good to eliminate noise. To make things > easy to manage, you can probably take help of PSSI in managing payments. > Also using bank account of one of the organizers may create accounting/tax > issues for him. > > Good to see 75 people attending the meetup and waiting list. Good work, > organizers! > > Anand > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From abhi.darkness at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 14:01:43 2017 From: abhi.darkness at gmail.com (Abhiram R) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 23:31:43 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Improving meetup attendance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I'm all for the gamification of the process. But here's my suggestion and it's totally up for vote. First of all, 100/- per head for attendance is fine. But it should be *refundable *on attendance. Secondly, for the amount that is available as part of the number of people not attending, this money can be split between speakers as say Amazon gift cards or something or the sort - no matter how small the amount. The point is not to make money, but something that provides motivation for the speaker as well. This way, Less attendance = monetary benefit (not really desired, but it's something), More attendance = Satisfaction at having reached so many people. Thoughts? Abhiram R https://twitter.com/__abhiram__ https://github.com/abhiii5459 On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Nitin Kumar wrote: > I would vote for paying 100rs and let that be used for snacks and goodies > for the speaker. > > Nitin Kr > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Anand Chitipothu > wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 8:32 PM, kracekumar ramaraju < > > kracethekingmaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > > > > As of today, there are 5394 members in BangPypers meetup [0]. For last > > > meetup (IoT Workshop), 267 participants showed interest. We allowed 134 > > > RSVPs and waitlisted 133 attendees. As Nitin mentioned in previous > > thread, > > > he couldn't attend the meetup since he was in waitlist. 75 people > > > participated in the event. Turnout ratio was 56%. Our expectation was > > only > > > 40% people would attend. That's the rationale behind 134 RSVP limit. > > > > > > This kind of scenario happens at least once or twice in a year. > > > > > > To solve the RSVP problem, few meetups charge a monetary fee of 100Rs > [1] > > > and return the amount when participant shows up on the event day(after > > > deducting gateway costs). Some meetup [2] donates the collected fee to > > > organizations like EFF, FSF, Software Freedom Conservancy and other > > > non-profit organization. Some meetup uses the amount to distribute > > goodies > > > to the speaker, and spend on snacks and food. The meetup tried > charging a > > > small amount and now reverted [3]. > > > > > > The collecting money has administrative work - Use one of the organizer > > > bank accounts, record attended participants, return payment (not sure > > > payment gateways will be happy returning money for the majority of > > > transactions). > > > > > > Will you be interested in paying for the meetup with a refund? > > > I'd like to hear input from others regarding in this matter from all > > front. > > > > > > > Having a small barrier of entry is good to eliminate noise. To make > things > > easy to manage, you can probably take help of PSSI in managing payments. > > Also using bank account of one of the organizers may create > accounting/tax > > issues for him. > > > > Good to see 75 people attending the meetup and waiting list. Good work, > > organizers! > > > > Anand > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- -Abhiram R From sivasubramaniam.a at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 14:53:07 2017 From: sivasubramaniam.a at gmail.com (Sivasubramaniam Arunachalam) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 19:53:07 +0100 Subject: [BangPypers] Improving meetup attendance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would suggest not to have any kind of fee/charges and don't restrict the number of RSVPs. Allow participants based on a strictly first-come-first-served basis if the venue capacity is limited. When we organized the last data science workshop, the same policy was followed. Thanks & Regards, Sivasubramaniam Arunachalam On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 7:01 PM, Abhiram R wrote: > Hi, > I'm all for the gamification of the process. > But here's my suggestion and it's totally up for vote. > > First of all, 100/- per head for attendance is fine. But it should be > *refundable > *on attendance. > Secondly, for the amount that is available as part of the number of people > not attending, this money can be split between speakers as say Amazon gift > cards or something or the sort - no matter how small the amount. The point > is not to make money, but something that provides motivation for the > speaker as well. > > This way, > Less attendance = monetary benefit (not really desired, but it's > something), > More attendance = Satisfaction at having reached so many people. > > Thoughts? > > > > Abhiram R > https://twitter.com/__abhiram__ > https://github.com/abhiii5459 > > > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Nitin Kumar > wrote: > > > I would vote for paying 100rs and let that be used for snacks and goodies > > for the speaker. > > > > Nitin Kr > > > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Anand Chitipothu > > wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 8:32 PM, kracekumar ramaraju < > > > kracethekingmaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > As of today, there are 5394 members in BangPypers meetup [0]. For > last > > > > meetup (IoT Workshop), 267 participants showed interest. We allowed > 134 > > > > RSVPs and waitlisted 133 attendees. As Nitin mentioned in previous > > > thread, > > > > he couldn't attend the meetup since he was in waitlist. 75 people > > > > participated in the event. Turnout ratio was 56%. Our expectation was > > > only > > > > 40% people would attend. That's the rationale behind 134 RSVP limit. > > > > > > > > This kind of scenario happens at least once or twice in a year. > > > > > > > > To solve the RSVP problem, few meetups charge a monetary fee of 100Rs > > [1] > > > > and return the amount when participant shows up on the event > day(after > > > > deducting gateway costs). Some meetup [2] donates the collected fee > to > > > > organizations like EFF, FSF, Software Freedom Conservancy and other > > > > non-profit organization. Some meetup uses the amount to distribute > > > goodies > > > > to the speaker, and spend on snacks and food. The meetup tried > > charging a > > > > small amount and now reverted [3]. > > > > > > > > The collecting money has administrative work - Use one of the > organizer > > > > bank accounts, record attended participants, return payment (not sure > > > > payment gateways will be happy returning money for the majority of > > > > transactions). > > > > > > > > Will you be interested in paying for the meetup with a refund? > > > > I'd like to hear input from others regarding in this matter from all > > > front. > > > > > > > > > > Having a small barrier of entry is good to eliminate noise. To make > > things > > > easy to manage, you can probably take help of PSSI in managing > payments. > > > Also using bank account of one of the organizers may create > > accounting/tax > > > issues for him. > > > > > > Good to see 75 people attending the meetup and waiting list. Good work, > > > organizers! > > > > > > Anand > > > _______________________________________________ > > > BangPypers mailing list > > > BangPypers at python.org > > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > -- > -Abhiram R > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From abraham.varricatt at googlemail.com Mon Mar 20 15:12:18 2017 From: abraham.varricatt at googlemail.com (Abraham Varricatt) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 15:12:18 -0400 Subject: [BangPypers] Improving meetup attendance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, I think the previous poster might be missing a point about organization. The need to charge money BEFORE attending the event is to give the organizers a realistic count of how many people might be attending. There is a difference between paying Rs100/- today to pay for an event I might attend next week and paying Rs100/- when I arrive for the event. If as an organizer I see the following, 200 people paid Rs100/- to attend next week's event OR 300 people promise to pay Rs100/- to attend next week's event the former is MUCH more useful than the latter. Besides, the latter is the exact problem we have right now - people promising to come, but not showing up. The refundable idea is worth considering, but a likely logistics nightmare. Assume that everyone is charged Rs100/- for the event. We need to do the payment online - meetup.com or paypal or whoever is chosen as the payment gateway will charge Rs10 as fees (amount randomly chosen). The organizers might, in good faith, promise to return Rs90/- to everyone who comes. What do they do about people who try to receive the Rs90/- twice? Or thrice? You cannot deny that folks won't try to scam the organizers. Even worse - what about repaying for people who did not come to this month's event, but pay and come for next month's event? Do we pay them Rs180/- ? I _like_ the refundable idea, but it is a logistics nightmare. And for a non-profit event, not worth the trouble for our dear organizers, IMO. Here's my suggestion: Charge everyone Rs50/- or Rs100/- to attend per person. To ensure that this remains a non-profit event, donate the proceeds to some Python-related charity or education for computer science. I think it will be nice to attend a Python event and either at the beginning or end of the event, to hear the organizer say something like "We collected Rs850/- from everyone for this event and it will be gifted to ABC charity supporting Python education in India" (You can collect and store receipts to show anyone who asks if you actually paid the money). Or just use the money for snacks and stickers as someone suggested! To those worried about profiteering, Please consider that the organizers are only suggesting Rs100 per person for the meetup. That is around the cost of a day pass to travel by bus in Bengaluru. This is VERY cheap compared to something like a conference ticket being held in a fancy hotel for more than Rs1000/-. To organizers, I'll support the idea to charge for participants, but you need to accommodate people who do not have access to internet banking or credit cards (took me a long time to convince HDFC to issue me a credit card, but that's a personal matter) - like students or young developers. Give them the option (at your discretion) to pay cash at the door. Perhaps allow up-to 15 people to pay in cash on a first-come-first-serve basis? Yours sincerely, Abraham V. (Python lover and one-time speaker at a Bangpy meetup) On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Abhiram R wrote: > Hi, > I'm all for the gamification of the process. > But here's my suggestion and it's totally up for vote. > > First of all, 100/- per head for attendance is fine. But it should be > *refundable > *on attendance. > Secondly, for the amount that is available as part of the number of people > not attending, this money can be split between speakers as say Amazon gift > cards or something or the sort - no matter how small the amount. The point > is not to make money, but something that provides motivation for the > speaker as well. > > This way, > Less attendance = monetary benefit (not really desired, but it's > something), > More attendance = Satisfaction at having reached so many people. > > Thoughts? > > > > Abhiram R > https://twitter.com/__abhiram__ > https://github.com/abhiii5459 > > > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Nitin Kumar > wrote: > > > I would vote for paying 100rs and let that be used for snacks and goodies > > for the speaker. > > > > Nitin Kr > > > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Anand Chitipothu > > wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 8:32 PM, kracekumar ramaraju < > > > kracethekingmaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > As of today, there are 5394 members in BangPypers meetup [0]. For > last > > > > meetup (IoT Workshop), 267 participants showed interest. We allowed > 134 > > > > RSVPs and waitlisted 133 attendees. As Nitin mentioned in previous > > > thread, > > > > he couldn't attend the meetup since he was in waitlist. 75 people > > > > participated in the event. Turnout ratio was 56%. Our expectation was > > > only > > > > 40% people would attend. That's the rationale behind 134 RSVP limit. > > > > > > > > This kind of scenario happens at least once or twice in a year. > > > > > > > > To solve the RSVP problem, few meetups charge a monetary fee of 100Rs > > [1] > > > > and return the amount when participant shows up on the event > day(after > > > > deducting gateway costs). Some meetup [2] donates the collected fee > to > > > > organizations like EFF, FSF, Software Freedom Conservancy and other > > > > non-profit organization. Some meetup uses the amount to distribute > > > goodies > > > > to the speaker, and spend on snacks and food. The meetup tried > > charging a > > > > small amount and now reverted [3]. > > > > > > > > The collecting money has administrative work - Use one of the > organizer > > > > bank accounts, record attended participants, return payment (not sure > > > > payment gateways will be happy returning money for the majority of > > > > transactions). > > > > > > > > Will you be interested in paying for the meetup with a refund? > > > > I'd like to hear input from others regarding in this matter from all > > > front. > > > > > > > > > > Having a small barrier of entry is good to eliminate noise. To make > > things > > > easy to manage, you can probably take help of PSSI in managing > payments. > > > Also using bank account of one of the organizers may create > > accounting/tax > > > issues for him. > > > > > > Good to see 75 people attending the meetup and waiting list. Good work, > > > organizers! > > > > > > Anand > > > _______________________________________________ > > > BangPypers mailing list > > > BangPypers at python.org > > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > -- > -Abhiram R > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From sivasubramaniam.a at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 18:05:59 2017 From: sivasubramaniam.a at gmail.com (Sivasubramaniam Arunachalam) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 23:05:59 +0100 Subject: [BangPypers] Improving meetup attendance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have been associated with Bangpypers as a participant, speaker, volunteer, and co-organizer for past few years(Just moved out of Bangalore 2 weeks before). Here are my initial views on this topic. The primary(maybe the only?)objective of this group is to contribute/help the Python community in Bangalore by organizing a monthly event. Our objective is not to make the group members keep their promise or being loyal/punctual to the organized event. We open the RSVP 7 days before the event. At the time of RSVP opening, the theme of the event, venue(along with the available seating capacity) and speaker line-ups are already decided/planned. So, no further planning is done after opening the RSVP. At this moment, we are not restricting the RSVP based on the actual seating capacity of the venue. We choose the RSVP limit which is higher than seating capacity(as of now ~2x) based on the attendance from the past. We are trying to be fair to the participants based on who RSVPed first and it is broken(always in the free community-based events). Instead, allow unlimited RSVPs and restrict the people based on FCFS on the event day. Communicate the same in the event description and logistics email 1-2 before the event. IMHO, being fair to the participants by asking money(to prove their seriousness in participation) doesn't look good for a 12 years old, matured and self-sustained community like Bangpyers. It is simply an additional headache to the event organizers. We have also experimented by starting the event at 9am/9.30am during 2016Q4 and all of them went just fine. During the data science workshop at ClearTax, few participants couldn't get access the workshop at 9.35am(event started at 9 am) because the meeting room was full. The same issue happened when it was organized at Akamai. Other than these instances, all other events had enough venue capacity to the accommodate the participants. Thanks & Regards, Sivasubramaniam Arunachalam On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Abraham Varricatt via BangPypers < bangpypers at python.org> wrote: > Hello, > > I think the previous poster might be missing a point about organization. > The need to charge money BEFORE attending the event is to give the > organizers a realistic count of how many people might be attending. There > is a difference between paying Rs100/- today to pay for an event I might > attend next week and paying Rs100/- when I arrive for the event. > > If as an organizer I see the following, > > 200 people paid Rs100/- to attend next week's event > > OR > > 300 people promise to pay Rs100/- to attend next week's event > > the former is MUCH more useful than the latter. Besides, the latter is the > exact problem we have right now - people promising to come, but not showing > up. > > The refundable idea is worth considering, but a likely logistics nightmare. > Assume that everyone is charged Rs100/- for the event. We need to do the > payment online - meetup.com or paypal or whoever is chosen as the payment > gateway will charge Rs10 as fees (amount randomly chosen). The organizers > might, in good faith, promise to return Rs90/- to everyone who comes. > > What do they do about people who try to receive the Rs90/- twice? Or > thrice? You cannot deny that folks won't try to scam the organizers. Even > worse - what about repaying for people who did not come to this month's > event, but pay and come for next month's event? Do we pay them Rs180/- ? > > I _like_ the refundable idea, but it is a logistics nightmare. And for a > non-profit event, not worth the trouble for our dear organizers, IMO. > > Here's my suggestion: > > Charge everyone Rs50/- or Rs100/- to attend per person. To ensure that this > remains a non-profit event, donate the proceeds to some Python-related > charity or education for computer science. I think it will be nice to > attend a Python event and either at the beginning or end of the event, to > hear the organizer say something like "We collected Rs850/- from everyone > for this event and it will be gifted to ABC charity supporting Python > education in India" (You can collect and store receipts to show anyone who > asks if you actually paid the money). > > Or just use the money for snacks and stickers as someone suggested! > > > To those worried about profiteering, > > Please consider that the organizers are only suggesting Rs100 per person > for the meetup. That is around the cost of a day pass to travel by bus in > Bengaluru. This is VERY cheap compared to something like a conference > ticket being held in a fancy hotel for more than Rs1000/-. > > To organizers, > > I'll support the idea to charge for participants, but you need to > accommodate people who do not have access to internet banking or credit > cards (took me a long time to convince HDFC to issue me a credit card, but > that's a personal matter) - like students or young developers. Give them > the option (at your discretion) to pay cash at the door. Perhaps allow > up-to 15 people to pay in cash on a first-come-first-serve basis? > > Yours sincerely, > Abraham V. > (Python lover and one-time speaker at a Bangpy meetup) > > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Abhiram R > wrote: > > > Hi, > > I'm all for the gamification of the process. > > But here's my suggestion and it's totally up for vote. > > > > First of all, 100/- per head for attendance is fine. But it should be > > *refundable > > *on attendance. > > Secondly, for the amount that is available as part of the number of > people > > not attending, this money can be split between speakers as say Amazon > gift > > cards or something or the sort - no matter how small the amount. The > point > > is not to make money, but something that provides motivation for the > > speaker as well. > > > > This way, > > Less attendance = monetary benefit (not really desired, but it's > > something), > > More attendance = Satisfaction at having reached so many people. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > > Abhiram R > > https://twitter.com/__abhiram__ > > https://github.com/abhiii5459 > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Nitin Kumar > > wrote: > > > > > I would vote for paying 100rs and let that be used for snacks and > goodies > > > for the speaker. > > > > > > Nitin Kr > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Anand Chitipothu < > anandology at gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 8:32 PM, kracekumar ramaraju < > > > > kracethekingmaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > As of today, there are 5394 members in BangPypers meetup [0]. For > > last > > > > > meetup (IoT Workshop), 267 participants showed interest. We allowed > > 134 > > > > > RSVPs and waitlisted 133 attendees. As Nitin mentioned in previous > > > > thread, > > > > > he couldn't attend the meetup since he was in waitlist. 75 people > > > > > participated in the event. Turnout ratio was 56%. Our expectation > was > > > > only > > > > > 40% people would attend. That's the rationale behind 134 RSVP > limit. > > > > > > > > > > This kind of scenario happens at least once or twice in a year. > > > > > > > > > > To solve the RSVP problem, few meetups charge a monetary fee of > 100Rs > > > [1] > > > > > and return the amount when participant shows up on the event > > day(after > > > > > deducting gateway costs). Some meetup [2] donates the collected fee > > to > > > > > organizations like EFF, FSF, Software Freedom Conservancy and other > > > > > non-profit organization. Some meetup uses the amount to distribute > > > > goodies > > > > > to the speaker, and spend on snacks and food. The meetup tried > > > charging a > > > > > small amount and now reverted [3]. > > > > > > > > > > The collecting money has administrative work - Use one of the > > organizer > > > > > bank accounts, record attended participants, return payment (not > sure > > > > > payment gateways will be happy returning money for the majority of > > > > > transactions). > > > > > > > > > > Will you be interested in paying for the meetup with a refund? > > > > > I'd like to hear input from others regarding in this matter from > all > > > > front. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having a small barrier of entry is good to eliminate noise. To make > > > things > > > > easy to manage, you can probably take help of PSSI in managing > > payments. > > > > Also using bank account of one of the organizers may create > > > accounting/tax > > > > issues for him. > > > > > > > > Good to see 75 people attending the meetup and waiting list. Good > work, > > > > organizers! > > > > > > > > Anand > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > BangPypers mailing list > > > > BangPypers at python.org > > > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > BangPypers mailing list > > > BangPypers at python.org > > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > -Abhiram R > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From abraham.varricatt at googlemail.com Mon Mar 20 18:55:44 2017 From: abraham.varricatt at googlemail.com (Abraham Varricatt) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 18:55:44 -0400 Subject: [BangPypers] Improving meetup attendance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Please remember - this issue is not just about over-crowding at a venue. People who might otherwise be able to attend, do not come because they were not on the 'YES' list (It hasn't happened to me with Bangpyers, but has happened for a different meetup). I think it is necessary to give consideration for these individuals too. Especially if, on the actual event day, it turns out that the venue could handle more capacity because many others who promised to come did not attend. To some people, the very suggestion of 'charge money' leads to the thought that it must be a profiteering operation. This has not been my experience with BangPy and I hope it continues to be so. Dealing with funds is, for better or worse, a responsibility. I assume that when the current organizer suggested it, he was willing to take that responsibility and not delegate it to someone who does not want to. Other than charging money, is there any other idea we could come up with to help both the organizers and the people who actually come to the events? One idea which comes to mind is to just accept 'YES' to everyone who applies on meetup, but that might lead to guaranteed over-crowding. Puzzled, Abraham V. On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 6:05 PM, Sivasubramaniam Arunachalam < sivasubramaniam.a at gmail.com> wrote: > I have been associated with Bangpypers as a participant, speaker, > volunteer, and co-organizer for past few years(Just moved out of Bangalore > 2 weeks before). Here are my initial views on this topic. > > The primary(maybe the only?)objective of this group is to contribute/help > the Python community in Bangalore by organizing a monthly event. Our > objective is not to make the group members keep their promise or being > loyal/punctual to the organized event. > > We open the RSVP 7 days before the event. At the time of RSVP opening, the > theme of the event, venue(along with the available seating capacity) and > speaker line-ups are already decided/planned. So, no further planning is > done after opening the RSVP. > > At this moment, we are not restricting the RSVP based on the actual > seating capacity of the venue. We choose the RSVP limit which is higher > than seating capacity(as of now ~2x) based on the attendance from the past. > > We are trying to be fair to the participants based on who RSVPed first and > it is broken(always in the free community-based events). Instead, allow > unlimited RSVPs and restrict the people based on FCFS on the event day. > Communicate the same in the event description and logistics email 1-2 > before the event. > > IMHO, being fair to the participants by asking money(to prove their > seriousness in participation) doesn't look good for a 12 years old, matured > and self-sustained community like Bangpyers. It is simply an > additional headache to the event organizers. > > We have also experimented by starting the event at 9am/9.30am during > 2016Q4 and all of them went just fine. During the data science workshop at > ClearTax, few participants couldn't get access the workshop at 9.35am(event > started at 9 am) because the meeting room was full. The same issue happened > when it was organized at Akamai. Other than these instances, all other > events had enough venue capacity to the accommodate the participants. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > Sivasubramaniam Arunachalam > > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Abraham Varricatt via BangPypers < > bangpypers at python.org> wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I think the previous poster might be missing a point about organization. >> The need to charge money BEFORE attending the event is to give the >> organizers a realistic count of how many people might be attending. There >> is a difference between paying Rs100/- today to pay for an event I might >> attend next week and paying Rs100/- when I arrive for the event. >> >> If as an organizer I see the following, >> >> 200 people paid Rs100/- to attend next week's event >> >> OR >> >> 300 people promise to pay Rs100/- to attend next week's event >> >> the former is MUCH more useful than the latter. Besides, the latter is the >> exact problem we have right now - people promising to come, but not >> showing >> up. >> >> The refundable idea is worth considering, but a likely logistics >> nightmare. >> Assume that everyone is charged Rs100/- for the event. We need to do the >> payment online - meetup.com or paypal or whoever is chosen as the payment >> gateway will charge Rs10 as fees (amount randomly chosen). The organizers >> might, in good faith, promise to return Rs90/- to everyone who comes. >> >> What do they do about people who try to receive the Rs90/- twice? Or >> thrice? You cannot deny that folks won't try to scam the organizers. Even >> worse - what about repaying for people who did not come to this month's >> event, but pay and come for next month's event? Do we pay them Rs180/- ? >> >> I _like_ the refundable idea, but it is a logistics nightmare. And for a >> non-profit event, not worth the trouble for our dear organizers, IMO. >> >> Here's my suggestion: >> >> Charge everyone Rs50/- or Rs100/- to attend per person. To ensure that >> this >> remains a non-profit event, donate the proceeds to some Python-related >> charity or education for computer science. I think it will be nice to >> attend a Python event and either at the beginning or end of the event, to >> hear the organizer say something like "We collected Rs850/- from everyone >> for this event and it will be gifted to ABC charity supporting Python >> education in India" (You can collect and store receipts to show anyone who >> asks if you actually paid the money). >> >> Or just use the money for snacks and stickers as someone suggested! >> >> >> To those worried about profiteering, >> >> Please consider that the organizers are only suggesting Rs100 per person >> for the meetup. That is around the cost of a day pass to travel by bus in >> Bengaluru. This is VERY cheap compared to something like a conference >> ticket being held in a fancy hotel for more than Rs1000/-. >> >> To organizers, >> >> I'll support the idea to charge for participants, but you need to >> accommodate people who do not have access to internet banking or credit >> cards (took me a long time to convince HDFC to issue me a credit card, but >> that's a personal matter) - like students or young developers. Give them >> the option (at your discretion) to pay cash at the door. Perhaps allow >> up-to 15 people to pay in cash on a first-come-first-serve basis? >> >> Yours sincerely, >> Abraham V. >> (Python lover and one-time speaker at a Bangpy meetup) >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Abhiram R >> wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > I'm all for the gamification of the process. >> > But here's my suggestion and it's totally up for vote. >> > >> > First of all, 100/- per head for attendance is fine. But it should be >> > *refundable >> > *on attendance. >> > Secondly, for the amount that is available as part of the number of >> people >> > not attending, this money can be split between speakers as say Amazon >> gift >> > cards or something or the sort - no matter how small the amount. The >> point >> > is not to make money, but something that provides motivation for the >> > speaker as well. >> > >> > This way, >> > Less attendance = monetary benefit (not really desired, but it's >> > something), >> > More attendance = Satisfaction at having reached so many people. >> > >> > Thoughts? >> > >> > >> > >> > Abhiram R >> > https://twitter.com/__abhiram__ >> > https://github.com/abhiii5459 >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Nitin Kumar >> > wrote: >> > >> > > I would vote for paying 100rs and let that be used for snacks and >> goodies >> > > for the speaker. >> > > >> > > Nitin Kr >> > > >> > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Anand Chitipothu < >> anandology at gmail.com> >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 8:32 PM, kracekumar ramaraju < >> > > > kracethekingmaker at gmail.com> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Hi >> > > > > >> > > > > As of today, there are 5394 members in BangPypers meetup [0]. For >> > last >> > > > > meetup (IoT Workshop), 267 participants showed interest. We >> allowed >> > 134 >> > > > > RSVPs and waitlisted 133 attendees. As Nitin mentioned in previous >> > > > thread, >> > > > > he couldn't attend the meetup since he was in waitlist. 75 people >> > > > > participated in the event. Turnout ratio was 56%. Our expectation >> was >> > > > only >> > > > > 40% people would attend. That's the rationale behind 134 RSVP >> limit. >> > > > > >> > > > > This kind of scenario happens at least once or twice in a year. >> > > > > >> > > > > To solve the RSVP problem, few meetups charge a monetary fee of >> 100Rs >> > > [1] >> > > > > and return the amount when participant shows up on the event >> > day(after >> > > > > deducting gateway costs). Some meetup [2] donates the collected >> fee >> > to >> > > > > organizations like EFF, FSF, Software Freedom Conservancy and >> other >> > > > > non-profit organization. Some meetup uses the amount to distribute >> > > > goodies >> > > > > to the speaker, and spend on snacks and food. The meetup tried >> > > charging a >> > > > > small amount and now reverted [3]. >> > > > > >> > > > > The collecting money has administrative work - Use one of the >> > organizer >> > > > > bank accounts, record attended participants, return payment (not >> sure >> > > > > payment gateways will be happy returning money for the majority of >> > > > > transactions). >> > > > > >> > > > > Will you be interested in paying for the meetup with a refund? >> > > > > I'd like to hear input from others regarding in this matter from >> all >> > > > front. >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > Having a small barrier of entry is good to eliminate noise. To make >> > > things >> > > > easy to manage, you can probably take help of PSSI in managing >> > payments. >> > > > Also using bank account of one of the organizers may create >> > > accounting/tax >> > > > issues for him. >> > > > >> > > > Good to see 75 people attending the meetup and waiting list. Good >> work, >> > > > organizers! >> > > > >> > > > Anand >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > BangPypers mailing list >> > > > BangPypers at python.org >> > > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > BangPypers mailing list >> > > BangPypers at python.org >> > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > -Abhiram R >> > _______________________________________________ >> > BangPypers mailing list >> > BangPypers at python.org >> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> BangPypers mailing list >> BangPypers at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers >> > > From kracethekingmaker at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 18:58:21 2017 From: kracethekingmaker at gmail.com (kracekumar ramaraju) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 04:28:21 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Improving meetup attendance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2017-03-21 3:35 GMT+05:30 Sivasubramaniam Arunachalam < sivasubramaniam.a at gmail.com>: > I have been associated with Bangpypers as a participant, speaker, > volunteer, and co-organizer for past few years(Just moved out of Bangalore > 2 weeks before). Here are my initial views on this topic. > > The primary(maybe the only?)objective of this group is to contribute/help > the Python community in Bangalore by organizing a monthly event. Our > objective is not to make the group members keep their promise or being > loyal/punctual to the organized event. > We open the RSVP 7 days before the event. At the time of RSVP opening, the > theme of the event, venue(along with the available seating capacity) and > speaker line-ups are already decided/planned. So, no further planning is > done after opening the RSVP. > > At this moment, we are not restricting the RSVP based on the actual seating > capacity of the venue. We choose the RSVP limit which is higher than > seating capacity(as of now ~2x) based on the attendance from the past. > > We are trying to be fair to the participants based on who RSVPed first and > it is broken(always in the free community-based events). Instead, allow > unlimited RSVPs and restrict the people based on FCFS on the event day. > Communicate the same in the event description and logistics email 1-2 > before the event. > Unlimited RSVP amplifies the problem. Unlimited RSVP == No RSVP. Consider a person traveling for one and half hours to reach the venue and return without finding a seat. It's a sub-optimal use of participant's time, mental agony, spoils the mood of the day and hard to carry a sorry face as a co-organizer. Overcrowded meetups are difficult for speakers to navigate during workshops and reduces the pace of the workshop. As a participant, I value my time and don't want to travel for an ambiguous meetup. Not able to accommodate a member after visiting the venue shows improper planning. If the participants don't get a comfortable environment during the meetup, then it's the failure of the organizing irrespective whether it's free or paid event. It's unfair for the participants to stand or seated in congested venue for the entire meetup. After one or two bad experiences participant may stop taking the meetup seriously. It was hard for us to see twenty members unable to get the hand on the IoT devices. If the meetup had an unlimited RSVP, the event must have been a catastrophe. Out 267, if 125 people showed up, the 50 folks had to leave because the hall crossed the threshold. It's a such a waste of their time, and I feel guilty to say FCFS. > IMHO, being fair to the participants by asking money(to prove their > seriousness in participation) doesn't look good for a 12 years old, matured > and self-sustained community like Bangpyers. It is simply an > additional headache to the event organizers. > I agree it's a management overhead. Another approach is to have separate RSVP system to track RSVP and participants turn out. If the participant doesn't show up for the event twice, the third time RSVPed participant moves to the waitlist. This is just a starting point. > > We have also experimented by starting the event at 9am/9.30am during 2016Q4 > and all of them went just fine. During the data science workshop at > ClearTax, few participants couldn't get access the workshop at 9.35am(event > started at 9 am) because the meeting room was full. The same issue happened > when it was organized at Akamai. Other than these instances, all other > events had enough venue capacity to the accommodate the participants. > I think both the events had unlimited RSVPs. > > > > Thanks & Regards, > Sivasubramaniam Arunachalam > > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Abraham Varricatt via BangPypers < > bangpypers at python.org> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I think the previous poster might be missing a point about organization. > > The need to charge money BEFORE attending the event is to give the > > organizers a realistic count of how many people might be attending. There > > is a difference between paying Rs100/- today to pay for an event I might > > attend next week and paying Rs100/- when I arrive for the event. > > > > If as an organizer I see the following, > > > > 200 people paid Rs100/- to attend next week's event > > > > OR > > > > 300 people promise to pay Rs100/- to attend next week's event > > > > the former is MUCH more useful than the latter. Besides, the latter is > the > > exact problem we have right now - people promising to come, but not > showing > > up. > > > > The refundable idea is worth considering, but a likely logistics > nightmare. > > Assume that everyone is charged Rs100/- for the event. We need to do the > > payment online - meetup.com or paypal or whoever is chosen as the > payment > > gateway will charge Rs10 as fees (amount randomly chosen). The organizers > > might, in good faith, promise to return Rs90/- to everyone who comes. > > > > What do they do about people who try to receive the Rs90/- twice? Or > > thrice? You cannot deny that folks won't try to scam the organizers. Even > > worse - what about repaying for people who did not come to this month's > > event, but pay and come for next month's event? Do we pay them Rs180/- ? > > > > I _like_ the refundable idea, but it is a logistics nightmare. And for a > > non-profit event, not worth the trouble for our dear organizers, IMO. > > > > Here's my suggestion: > > > > Charge everyone Rs50/- or Rs100/- to attend per person. To ensure that > this > > remains a non-profit event, donate the proceeds to some Python-related > > charity or education for computer science. I think it will be nice to > > attend a Python event and either at the beginning or end of the event, to > > hear the organizer say something like "We collected Rs850/- from everyone > > for this event and it will be gifted to ABC charity supporting Python > > education in India" (You can collect and store receipts to show anyone > who > > asks if you actually paid the money). > > > > Or just use the money for snacks and stickers as someone suggested! > > > > > > To those worried about profiteering, > > > > Please consider that the organizers are only suggesting Rs100 per person > > for the meetup. That is around the cost of a day pass to travel by bus in > > Bengaluru. This is VERY cheap compared to something like a conference > > ticket being held in a fancy hotel for more than Rs1000/-. > > > > To organizers, > > > > I'll support the idea to charge for participants, but you need to > > accommodate people who do not have access to internet banking or credit > > cards (took me a long time to convince HDFC to issue me a credit card, > but > > that's a personal matter) - like students or young developers. Give them > > the option (at your discretion) to pay cash at the door. Perhaps allow > > up-to 15 people to pay in cash on a first-come-first-serve basis? > > > > Yours sincerely, > > Abraham V. > > (Python lover and one-time speaker at a Bangpy meetup) > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Abhiram R > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > I'm all for the gamification of the process. > > > But here's my suggestion and it's totally up for vote. > > > > > > First of all, 100/- per head for attendance is fine. But it should be > > > *refundable > > > *on attendance. > > > Secondly, for the amount that is available as part of the number of > > people > > > not attending, this money can be split between speakers as say Amazon > > gift > > > cards or something or the sort - no matter how small the amount. The > > point > > > is not to make money, but something that provides motivation for the > > > speaker as well. > > > > > > This way, > > > Less attendance = monetary benefit (not really desired, but it's > > > something), > > > More attendance = Satisfaction at having reached so many people. > > > > > > Thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > Abhiram R > > > https://twitter.com/__abhiram__ > > > https://github.com/abhiii5459 > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Nitin Kumar > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I would vote for paying 100rs and let that be used for snacks and > > goodies > > > > for the speaker. > > > > > > > > Nitin Kr > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Anand Chitipothu < > > anandology at gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 8:32 PM, kracekumar ramaraju < > > > > > kracethekingmaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > > > > > As of today, there are 5394 members in BangPypers meetup [0]. > For > > > last > > > > > > meetup (IoT Workshop), 267 participants showed interest. We > allowed > > > 134 > > > > > > RSVPs and waitlisted 133 attendees. As Nitin mentioned in > previous > > > > > thread, > > > > > > he couldn't attend the meetup since he was in waitlist. 75 people > > > > > > participated in the event. Turnout ratio was 56%. Our expectation > > was > > > > > only > > > > > > 40% people would attend. That's the rationale behind 134 RSVP > > limit. > > > > > > > > > > > > This kind of scenario happens at least once or twice in a year. > > > > > > > > > > > > To solve the RSVP problem, few meetups charge a monetary fee of > > 100Rs > > > > [1] > > > > > > and return the amount when participant shows up on the event > > > day(after > > > > > > deducting gateway costs). Some meetup [2] donates the collected > fee > > > to > > > > > > organizations like EFF, FSF, Software Freedom Conservancy and > other > > > > > > non-profit organization. Some meetup uses the amount to > distribute > > > > > goodies > > > > > > to the speaker, and spend on snacks and food. The meetup tried > > > > charging a > > > > > > small amount and now reverted [3]. > > > > > > > > > > > > The collecting money has administrative work - Use one of the > > > organizer > > > > > > bank accounts, record attended participants, return payment (not > > sure > > > > > > payment gateways will be happy returning money for the majority > of > > > > > > transactions). > > > > > > > > > > > > Will you be interested in paying for the meetup with a refund? > > > > > > I'd like to hear input from others regarding in this matter from > > all > > > > > front. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having a small barrier of entry is good to eliminate noise. To make > > > > things > > > > > easy to manage, you can probably take help of PSSI in managing > > > payments. > > > > > Also using bank account of one of the organizers may create > > > > accounting/tax > > > > > issues for him. > > > > > > > > > > Good to see 75 people attending the meetup and waiting list. Good > > work, > > > > > organizers! > > > > > > > > > > Anand > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > BangPypers mailing list > > > > > BangPypers at python.org > > > > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > BangPypers mailing list > > > > BangPypers at python.org > > > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > -Abhiram R > > > _______________________________________________ > > > BangPypers mailing list > > > BangPypers at python.org > > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- *Thanks & Regardskracekumar"Talk is cheap, show me the code" -- Linus Torvaldshttp://kracekumar.com * From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Mon Mar 20 23:56:40 2017 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 09:26:40 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Improving meetup attendance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 3:35 AM, Sivasubramaniam Arunachalam < sivasubramaniam.a at gmail.com> wrote: > I have been associated with Bangpypers as a participant, speaker, > volunteer, and co-organizer for past few years(Just moved out of Bangalore > 2 weeks before). Here are my initial views on this topic. > > The primary(maybe the only?)objective of this group is to contribute/help > the Python community in Bangalore by organizing a monthly event. Our > objective is not to make the group members keep their promise or being > loyal/punctual to the organized event. > > We open the RSVP 7 days before the event. At the time of RSVP opening, the > theme of the event, venue(along with the available seating capacity) and > speaker line-ups are already decided/planned. So, no further planning is > done after opening the RSVP. > > At this moment, we are not restricting the RSVP based on the actual seating > capacity of the venue. We choose the RSVP limit which is higher than > seating capacity(as of now ~2x) based on the attendance from the past. > > We are trying to be fair to the participants based on who RSVPed first and > it is broken(always in the free community-based events). Instead, allow > unlimited RSVPs and restrict the people based on FCFS on the event day. > Communicate the same in the event description and logistics email 1-2 > before the event. > > IMHO, being fair to the participants by asking money(to prove their > seriousness in participation) doesn't look good for a 12 years old, matured > and self-sustained community like Bangpyers. It is simply an > additional headache to the event organizers. > > +1 We show put efforts to educate people more. From anuvrat at anuvrat.in Tue Mar 21 00:43:06 2017 From: anuvrat at anuvrat.in (Anuvrat Parashar) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 10:13:06 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Improving meetup attendance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > > Having a small barrier of entry is good to eliminate noise. > +1. Something that pinches just enough to wake the person up in the morning. :) I personally dislike venues which require a list of attendees to be shared 2 days prior to the meetup. eg: corporate offices like microsoft. However, that is one way to get prospective attendees to update their RSVP statuses. Hope it helps. -- Anuvrat Parashar http://anuvrat.in From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Tue Mar 21 00:43:30 2017 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 10:13:30 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Improving meetup attendance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2017-03-21 03:35, Sivasubramaniam Arunachalam wrote: [..] > IMHO, being fair to the participants by asking money(to prove their > seriousness in participation) doesn't look good for a 12 years old, > matured > and self-sustained community like Bangpyers. It is simply an > additional headache to the event organizers. [..] While the community is old, all the participants are not. The current system seems designed to minimise administrative overhead and is fine but it expects responsible participants. If all the people were are mature as the group itself, this thread would be unnecessary. I think some kind of token to prove "seriousness" makes sense atleast as an experiment. If it prevents problems like the lack of seats mentioned earlier in this thread, it'd be worthwhile. From stefanprasad at gmail.com Tue Mar 21 11:07:39 2017 From: stefanprasad at gmail.com (Stephen Prasad) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 20:37:39 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Python IOT project Help In-Reply-To: <718687FD-7B07-47FD-8E71-00E2C44C5A72@yahoo.co.uk> References: <718687FD-7B07-47FD-8E71-00E2C44C5A72@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: I tried... The links in the email dont work: List info page: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers Your preferences: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/bangpypers/ stefanprasad%40gmail.com I ended up getting this through the meetup subscription, but not sure why the emails continued even after leaving the group. for now, I just reported this as spam in my gmail. any way i could have "unsubscribed" without the extreme step? do let me know.. Thanks, Steve On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 7:30 PM, Bhavin Patel via BangPypers < bangpypers at python.org> wrote: > Have you followed the steps to unsubscribe? "Seek and you shall find" says > the holy book.....:) > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Mar 20, 2017, at 1:35 PM, Stephen Prasad > wrote: > > > > Hi there, > > How can I unsubscribe to this mail? > > I left the group more than 5 months back and still get emails. > > Can something be done about this? > > > > Thanks, > > Steve > > > >> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 7:31 AM, Tejas S wrote: > >> > >> Hi srinivas, > >> I quickly went through the pdf .I am new to rasberry python . I will > >> greatfull to help if u can tell me the task that has to be done. > >> I can work with u . > >> Regards, > >> Tejas > >> _______________________________________________ > >> BangPypers mailing list > >> BangPypers at python.org > >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From rajnib at hotmail.com Tue Mar 21 01:05:25 2017 From: rajnib at hotmail.com (Rajni hotmail) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 05:05:25 +0000 Subject: [BangPypers] [Bangpypers][Commercial][Job] We are hiring a Software Engineer, Data Scientist at AdStock Message-ID: We are looking for a software engineer with experience in design and implementation of data science algorithms and programs in our product development division. Your experience should include: - Web frameworks (Flask or Django) - Proficient in Python and data science libraries such as NumPy, SciPy, Pandas, Seaborn and interactive plotting techniques, SciKit-Learn, PySpark and NLP algorithms and more. - Big data integration (Spark with Python/ other) - JSON integration - A strong passion for learning and understanding of new technical trends. Please email us (emails listed below) your questions or send us your resumes if you would like to apply. Thanks! Rajni Bhandary rajnib at hotmail.com vamshi at adstockglobal.com Tel: 9964789119 From akshay95aradhya at gmail.com Wed Mar 22 03:32:11 2017 From: akshay95aradhya at gmail.com (Akshay Aradhya) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 13:02:11 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [Bangpypers][Commercial][Job] We are hiring a Software Engineer, Data Scientist at AdStock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ? Cradle Resume.pdf ? On 21 March 2017 at 10:35, Rajni hotmail wrote: > We are looking for a software engineer with experience in design and > implementation of data science algorithms and programs in our product > development division. > > Your experience should include: > > - Web frameworks (Flask or Django) > > - Proficient in Python and data science libraries such as NumPy, > SciPy, Pandas, Seaborn and interactive plotting techniques, SciKit-Learn, > PySpark and NLP algorithms and more. > > - Big data integration (Spark with Python/ other) > > - JSON integration > > - A strong passion for learning and understanding of new technical > trends. > > > > Please email us (emails listed below) your questions or send us your > resumes if you would like to apply. > > Thanks! > > Rajni Bhandary > > rajnib at hotmail.com > > > > vamshi at adstockglobal.com > > Tel: 9964789119 > > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- $Akshay Aradhya$ From siddharthsuchde at gmail.com Wed Mar 22 04:22:22 2017 From: siddharthsuchde at gmail.com (Siddharth Suchde) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 13:52:22 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [Commercial][Job] - Hiring Full Stack Django/Flask Developer Message-ID: Dear All, We are looking for a highly skilled Full Stack Django/Flask Web Developer. I represent Live Your Sport (LiveYourSport.com) and Azani Sport (AzaniSport.com). We've been in business for 3 years and have grown 4x in the last year with a probability of that continuing over the foreseeable future. We've been angel funded last year and are already profitable. Though, it's a startup environment, very dynamic, highly stressful. I'm listing a Brief about the Company and the ideal skillset we are after. Please feel free to reach me on siddharth at liveyoursport.com or via phone on 9900022326 (I rarely answer calls, so please message first). Company Background and Job Profile Live Your Sport is India's largest Sports and Fitness E-Commerce store. Having shown tremendous success in the Sports Equipment space, we have launched our own line of Premium Athletic Apparel called Azani. You will be in charge of driving and owning the technological requirements for both verticals. We are looking for a highly skilled Full Stack Python/Flask Web Developer. As part of the team, you will work in a highly dynamic startup environment with massive opportunities to learn and tackle business goals. You will take full ownership of our platform. You'll be in charge of developing applications which grow the business value with various stakeholders. You will be given complete freedom to make meaningful and measurable improvements and a clean slate for ideation as long it helps drive our business value. This role will be, to a lesser extent, a hybrid of software architect and product manager.Other responsibilities may arise within the context of expanding business opportunities. Our ideal candidate has an excellent eye for detail, pragmatic approach and an absolute commitment to making sure features are well implemented, innovative and bug-free. Requirements: - Hands-on experience in design and implementation of custom-built web applications. - Translate UX/UI specifications and wireframes to web. - Project Management experience strongly desired. - Ability to work in a highly agile environment. - Data-driven approach to success. Technical Skills: - Experience in developing and shipping products using Python and Flask. - Proficiency in writing and deploying spiders in Scrapy. - Familiarity with MySQL, SQLiite, MongoDB, SQLAlchemy - Strong OOP skills and design patterns knowledge. - Hands on experience with deploying applications on Digital Ocean. - Strong HTML/CSS design skills. - Preferred knowledge of JavaScript, Liquid, Jinja2, XML, Selenium, Pandas, Twisted, Nginx, Apache, Gunicorn, WSGI, Celery, Redis, Git, REST, From kracethekingmaker at gmail.com Wed Mar 22 05:00:17 2017 From: kracethekingmaker at gmail.com (kracekumar ramaraju) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 14:30:17 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [Bangpypers][Commercial][Job] We are hiring a Software Engineer, Data Scientist at AdStock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Akshay Please refrain sharing the resume here. Continue the conversation offline. 2017-03-22 13:02 GMT+05:30 Akshay Aradhya : > ? > Cradle Resume.pdf > view?usp=drive_web> > ? > > On 21 March 2017 at 10:35, Rajni hotmail wrote: > > > We are looking for a software engineer with experience in design and > > implementation of data science algorithms and programs in our product > > development division. > > > > Your experience should include: > > > > - Web frameworks (Flask or Django) > > > > - Proficient in Python and data science libraries such as NumPy, > > SciPy, Pandas, Seaborn and interactive plotting techniques, SciKit-Learn, > > PySpark and NLP algorithms and more. > > > > - Big data integration (Spark with Python/ other) > > > > - JSON integration > > > > - A strong passion for learning and understanding of new technical > > trends. > > > > > > > > Please email us (emails listed below) your questions or send us your > > resumes if you would like to apply. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Rajni Bhandary > > > > rajnib at hotmail.com > > > > > > > > vamshi at adstockglobal.com > > > > Tel: 9964789119 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > -- > $Akshay Aradhya$ > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- *Thanks & Regardskracekumar"Talk is cheap, show me the code" -- Linus Torvaldshttp://kracekumar.com * From akshay95aradhya at gmail.com Wed Mar 22 09:44:03 2017 From: akshay95aradhya at gmail.com (Akshay Aradhya) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 19:14:03 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [Bangpypers][Commercial][Job] We are hiring a Software Engineer, Data Scientist at AdStock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry about that kracekumar, will keep that in mind in the future On 22 March 2017 at 14:30, kracekumar ramaraju wrote: > Hi Akshay > > Please refrain sharing the resume here. Continue the conversation offline. > > 2017-03-22 13:02 GMT+05:30 Akshay Aradhya : > > > ? > > Cradle Resume.pdf > > > view?usp=drive_web> > > ? > > > > On 21 March 2017 at 10:35, Rajni hotmail wrote: > > > > > We are looking for a software engineer with experience in design and > > > implementation of data science algorithms and programs in our product > > > development division. > > > > > > Your experience should include: > > > > > > - Web frameworks (Flask or Django) > > > > > > - Proficient in Python and data science libraries such as NumPy, > > > SciPy, Pandas, Seaborn and interactive plotting techniques, > SciKit-Learn, > > > PySpark and NLP algorithms and more. > > > > > > - Big data integration (Spark with Python/ other) > > > > > > - JSON integration > > > > > > - A strong passion for learning and understanding of new > technical > > > trends. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please email us (emails listed below) your questions or send us your > > > resumes if you would like to apply. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Rajni Bhandary > > > > > > rajnib at hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > vamshi at adstockglobal.com > > > > > > Tel: 9964789119 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > BangPypers mailing list > > > BangPypers at python.org > > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > $Akshay Aradhya$ > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > > > > > > -- > > *Thanks & Regardskracekumar"Talk is cheap, show me the code" -- Linus > Torvaldshttp://kracekumar.com * > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- $Akshay Aradhya$ From satyaakam at gmail.com Wed Mar 22 09:55:19 2017 From: satyaakam at gmail.com (satyaakam goswami) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 19:25:19 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [Bangpypers][Commercial][Job] We are hiring a Software Engineer, Data Scientist at AdStock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 2:30 PM, kracekumar ramaraju < kracethekingmaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Akshay > > Please refrain sharing the resume here. Continue the conversation offline. > ?Hi Krace, One way to manage this menace is ?block all the mails with attachments, that's what i do while managing multiple mailing lists it has worked so far. just my two cents... From bpatel666 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Mar 22 10:42:50 2017 From: bpatel666 at yahoo.co.uk (Bhavin Patel) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 14:42:50 +0000 Subject: [BangPypers] [Bangpypers][Commercial][Job] We are hiring a Software Engineer, Data Scientist at AdStock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What about genuine queries about python with attachments ? Let's not have a knee jerk reaction to a one off issue. Many Thanks Bhavin Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 22, 2017, at 1:55 PM, satyaakam goswami wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 2:30 PM, kracekumar ramaraju < > kracethekingmaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Akshay >> >> Please refrain sharing the resume here. Continue the conversation offline. > > ?Hi Krace, > > One way to manage this menace is ?block all the mails with attachments, > that's what i do while managing multiple mailing lists it has worked so far. > > just my two cents... > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers From abraham.varricatt at googlemail.com Wed Mar 22 11:00:11 2017 From: abraham.varricatt at googlemail.com (Abraham Varricatt) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 11:00:11 -0400 Subject: [BangPypers] [Bangpypers][Commercial][Job] We are hiring a Software Engineer, Data Scientist at AdStock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree. To block all attachments would be extreme. One of the reasons I subscribe to this list is to keep track of job postings. The occasional resume which gets replied to, is sometimes analyzed for aesthetics (Hey, it is a competitive world, after all! ;) ). The original posting politely mentioned '[Job]' and '[Commercial]' as part of the subject. Surely it would not be too difficult to ask members to ignore emails to which they have no interest? No need to make a mountain out of a molehill ... Yours, Abraham V. On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Bhavin Patel via BangPypers < bangpypers at python.org> wrote: > What about genuine queries about python with attachments ? Let's not have > a knee jerk reaction to a one off issue. > > Many Thanks > Bhavin > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Mar 22, 2017, at 1:55 PM, satyaakam goswami > wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 2:30 PM, kracekumar ramaraju < > > kracethekingmaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Hi Akshay > >> > >> Please refrain sharing the resume here. Continue the conversation > offline. > > > > ?Hi Krace, > > > > One way to manage this menace is ?block all the mails with attachments, > > that's what i do while managing multiple mailing lists it has worked so > far. > > > > just my two cents... > > _______________________________________________ > > BangPypers mailing list > > BangPypers at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Wed Mar 22 12:55:10 2017 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 22:25:10 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [Bangpypers][Commercial][Job] We are hiring a Software Engineer, Data Scientist at AdStock In-Reply-To: (Bhavin Patel via BangPypers's message of "Wed, 22 Mar 2017 14:42:50 +0000") References: Message-ID: <8760j1xndd.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Wed, Mar 22 2017, Bhavin Patel via BangPypers wrote: > What about genuine queries about python with attachments ? Let's not > have a knee jerk reaction to a one off issue. Like what? I've been on mailing lists for quite a while and the general way is to upload it somewhere and send a link rather than send a huge attachment (e.g. a screen shot) which will then be replicated for every person on the list. [...] -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From rajnib at hotmail.com Wed Mar 22 14:31:14 2017 From: rajnib at hotmail.com (Rajni hotmail) Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 18:31:14 +0000 Subject: [BangPypers] [Bangpypers][Commercial][Job] We are hiring a Software Engineer, Data Scientist at AdStock In-Reply-To: <8760j1xndd.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: , <8760j1xndd.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Hi Everyone - Please change subject line, so I can filter emails from people who are interested in the position. Thanks so much! Rajni ________________________________ From: BangPypers on behalf of Noufal Ibrahim KV Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 9:55 AM To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India Subject: Re: [BangPypers] [Bangpypers][Commercial][Job] We are hiring a Software Engineer, Data Scientist at AdStock On Wed, Mar 22 2017, Bhavin Patel via BangPypers wrote: > What about genuine queries about python with attachments ? Let's not > have a knee jerk reaction to a one off issue. Like what? I've been on mailing lists for quite a while and the general way is to upload it somewhere and send a link rather than send a huge attachment (e.g. a screen shot) which will then be replicated for every person on the list. [...] -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in The website of Noufal Ibrahim nibrahim.net.in About. The personal blog and website of Noufal Ibrahim. Muslim, father, husband, programmer, trainer, freelancer etc. Trainings. Please visit the trainings for ... _______________________________________________ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers at python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers BangPypers Info Page - mail.python.org Mailing Lists mail.python.org This is the mailing list for the Python Users Group - Bangalore, India. This group is for discussions related to the Python programming language. From prem_sah1 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 24 05:49:59 2017 From: prem_sah1 at yahoo.com (Premnath Sah) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 09:49:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [BangPypers] [JOBS] Senior Software Engineer - Chennai Position References: <1198468608.2925298.1490348999869.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1198468608.2925298.1490348999869@mail.yahoo.com> ?Duta (https://duta.in) is one of India's fastest growing startups. We provide content and services on messenger platforms and have millions of subscribers all over the world. We are looking for a Senior Software Engineer with hands-on experience working with Python, Linux, AWS, RDS, RabbitMQ, Shell Scripting and Postgres. Candidate requirements: * Design and develop large-scale systems for providing live content & services to millions of customers * Work with small team in a fast-paced production environment using appropriate open-source technologies * Have thorough knowledge of software engineering best practices * Work experience using python and linux a must * Must be open to learn and apply new technologies as needed * Machine Learning (ML), NLP experience is a plus Full-time work; Work location: Chennai. Please send your resume to info at duta.in Thanks Premnath Sah Director of Engineering Duta Software India From kracethekingmaker at gmail.com Fri Mar 24 15:22:56 2017 From: kracethekingmaker at gmail.com (kracekumar ramaraju) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 00:52:56 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Testing Email with PDF Attachment Message-ID: Hi Testing Email attachment after modifying the content filters option. Please bear with me if you get a chance to see this and wonky config. -- *Thanks & Regardskracekumar"Talk is cheap, show me the code" -- Linus Torvaldshttp://kracekumar.com * From kracethekingmaker at gmail.com Fri Mar 24 16:04:06 2017 From: kracethekingmaker at gmail.com (kracekumar ramaraju) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 01:34:06 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Content Filtering Message-ID: Hi As per the discussion in the email thread [0], content filtering is modified. Mailman rejects emails with image and application attachments. Gmail or any other extension may show inline preview for an URL. The sender can upload the attachment to file sharing service and share the URL in the email. Thank you, Satya and others for the suggestion. Also, the sender doesn't receive a notification that email is rejected for so and so reason. Is this how mailman handles content filtering? [0]: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2017-March/011722.html -- Thanks & Regards kracekumar http://kracekumar.com From akshay95aradhya at gmail.com Fri Mar 24 22:27:56 2017 From: akshay95aradhya at gmail.com (Akshay Aradhya) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 02:27:56 +0000 Subject: [BangPypers] [JOBS] Senior Software Engineer - Chennai Position In-Reply-To: <1198468608.2925298.1490348999869@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1198468608.2925298.1490348999869.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1198468608.2925298.1490348999869@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oh hey you guys are that Whatsapp Chatbot company right ? Pretty cool :) On Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 6:06 PM Premnath Sah via BangPypers < bangpypers at python.org> wrote: > Duta (https://duta.in) is one of India's fastest growing startups. We > provide content and services on messenger platforms and have millions of > subscribers all over the world. > > We are looking for a Senior Software Engineer with hands-on experience > working with Python, Linux, AWS, RDS, RabbitMQ, Shell Scripting and > Postgres. > Candidate requirements: > > * Design and develop large-scale systems for providing live content & > services to millions of customers > * Work with small team in a fast-paced production environment using > appropriate open-source technologies > * Have thorough knowledge of software engineering best practices > * Work experience using python and linux a must > * Must be open to learn and apply new technologies as needed > * Machine Learning (ML), NLP experience is a plus > > Full-time work; > > Work location: Chennai. > > Please send your resume to info at duta.in > > > Thanks > Premnath Sah > Director of Engineering > Duta Software India > _______________________________________________ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > From rajkumar.kfu at gmail.com Fri Mar 24 23:44:32 2017 From: rajkumar.kfu at gmail.com (Rajkumar Kannan) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 09:14:32 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Workshop - Data science using Python Message-ID: Dear BangPypers Greetings from Bishop Heber College (Autonomous) - Tiruchirappalli ! I currently work in the Dept. of CS and was a former Professor at King Faisal University, Saudi Arabia till few months before. I am thinking of conducting a workshop on Data Science using Python for masters students and lecturers . The workshop will be held at Bishop Heber College-Tiruchirappalli somewhere around June 2017. The workshop will broadly cover the following topics: Interactive Python RegEx NumPy, SciPy Pandas IPython Notebooks Maxplotlib Scikit-Learn Map Reduce and Deep Learning concepts Interested start-ups and Python folks, please send me your details at your earliest convenience ! Thanks and best regards -- ? -- ############################################################# Dr. Rajkumar KANNAN Office 2080, Building 15 Department of Information Systems, College of Computer Sciences and IT King Faisal University, P.O 400, Al Ahsa 31982 , Saudi Arabia Tel (O) +966.13.5899273 | Fax +966.13.5899236 | Mobile +966.500729822 www.kfu.edu.sa www.linkedin.com/in/rajkumarkannan19 http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Rajkumar_Kannan3/ ############################################################# From rajkumar.kfu at gmail.com Sat Mar 25 04:19:18 2017 From: rajkumar.kfu at gmail.com (Rajkumar Kannan) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 13:49:18 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Inviting speakers for Workshop on Data Science using Python Message-ID: Dear BangPypers Greetings from Bishop Heber College (Autonomous) - Tiruchirappalli ! I currently work in the Dept. of CS and was a former Professor at King Faisal University, Saudi Arabia till few months before. I am thinking of conducting a workshop on Data Science using Python for masters students and lecturers . The workshop will be held at Bishop Heber College-Tiruchirappalli somewhere around June 2017. The workshop will broadly cover the following topics: Interactive Python RegEx NumPy, SciPy Pandas IPython Notebooks Maxplotlib Scikit-Learn Map Reduce and Deep Learning concepts Interested start-ups and Python folks who would like to deliver talks and conduct sessions, please send me your details at your earliest convenience ! Thanks and best regards ? -- ############################################################# Dr. Rajkumar KANNAN Office 2080, Building 15 Department of Information Systems, College of Computer Sciences and IT King Faisal University, P.O 400, Al Ahsa 31982 , Saudi Arabia Tel (O) +966.13.5899273 | Fax +966.13.5899236 | Mobile +966.500729822 www.kfu.edu.sa www.linkedin.com/in/rajkumarkannan19 http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Rajkumar_Kannan3/ ############################################################# From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Sat Mar 25 04:49:15 2017 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 14:19:15 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [X-post] [PythonExpress] Looking for volunteers to conduct workshops Message-ID: Hi All, We have received workshops from different cities. Below are details of workshop Section , Level, Date, Url , City , State Machine Learning, Beginner, Friday, Apr. 07 2017, https://pythonexpress.in/workshop/191/ , Munnar, Kerala Python2 ,Beginner, Saturday, Apr. 08 2017, https://pythonexpress.in/workshop/192/, Mangalore , Karanataka Python2, Intermediate, Sunday, Apr. 09 2017, https://pythonexpress.in/workshop/187/, Kolkata, West Bengal Do let us know if you are interested or know anyone who can help in conducting the workshop. From kracethekingmaker at gmail.com Sat Mar 25 11:24:40 2017 From: kracethekingmaker at gmail.com (kracekumar ramaraju) Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 20:54:40 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Survey: Charging for Meetup Message-ID: Hi A lot of folks complain they don't get a seat in BangPypers meet-up due to overwhelming response.Every meetup has at least 50 to 75 waitlisted participants. For IoT workshop organized on March, 267 people showed interest. The venue limit was only 60. One of the members suggested charging a nominal fee. There was a discussion in BangPypers mailing list. Here is the link to the entire decision https://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2017-March/011708.html. Please have a look. The general suggestion was positive to charge for the meetup. All the organizers agreed to involve the broad audience. Hence consider answering the question. Depending on the survey result, we will decide how to proceed and try the outcome as experiment unless the outcome is same as the current method. Feel to contact any of the co-organizers or drop an email on the mailing list. Please take 30 seconds to fill the survey [0]. [0]: https://goo.gl/ys6Bxo -- Thanks & Regards kracekumar http://kracekumar.com From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Sun Mar 26 05:18:51 2017 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 14:48:51 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [pythonpune] Re: [X-post] [PythonExpress] Looking for volunteers to conduct workshops In-Reply-To: <88709887-624e-417f-bf89-54c30216fc66@googlegroups.com> References: <88709887-624e-417f-bf89-54c30216fc66@googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Below could be topics for intermediate. 1. New style class 2. Decorator, Generator 3. Files, modules, directories and packages 4. Special keywords like with, future 5. Unittest On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 3:16 AM, Billu wrote: > I've already accepted to take the the django basic training class. I would > take the python-intermediate in Kolkata, but I need some sense of the > topics to be taught as I don't know if I have mastery on all of them. > > > On Saturday, 25 March 2017 14:19:20 UTC+5:30, vijay kumar wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> We have received workshops from different cities. >> Below are details of workshop >> >> Section , Level, Date, >> Url , >> City , State >> >> Machine Learning, Beginner, Friday, Apr. 07 >> 2017, https://pythonexpress.in/workshop/191/ , >> Munnar, Kerala >> >> Python2 ,Beginner, Saturday, >> Apr. 08 2017, https://pythonexpress.in/workshop/192/, >> Mangalore , Karanataka >> >> Python2, Intermediate, Sunday, Apr. >> 09 2017, https://pythonexpress.in/workshop/187/, >> Kolkata, West Bengal >> >> >> Do let us know if you are interested or know anyone who can help in >> conducting the workshop. >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Python Pune" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to pythonpune+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Thanks, Vijay From swati at analyticsvidhya.com Tue Mar 28 08:18:31 2017 From: swati at analyticsvidhya.com (Swati Kashyap) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 17:48:31 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] [Commercial] [X-Post] Hackathons, Webinars & Many more events at Analytics Vidhya - Starts 1st April Message-ID: Dear Student, Analytics Vidhya presents DataFest 2017 , one of the biggest events in data science & analytics. DataFest 2017 is uniting top data scientists, influencers, data science evangelists and academicians from around the globe. ? DataFest brings 30+ events , 20+ speakers , Prizes worth $10,000 and a lot of excitement. DataFest 2017 is a *one-month* long event and starts on 1st April 2017. Major highlights from the event are: 1. Panel Discussion - "Best Way To Learn Data Science - *T* raining Courses Vs Projects " 2. Machine Learning Hackathon 3. Rampaging DataHulk - Machine Learning MiniHack 4. The QuickSolver - Machine Learning MiniHack 5. Webinars 6. Skill tests 7. DataHack Hour And many more competitions. This is not all, Top 3 winners of DataFest will take away additional *cash prizes worth INR 1,80,000.* *10 Students also stand a chance to grab internship offer from Analytics Vidhya by participating in Rampaging DataHulk . * Don't miss these exciting events. See you there! -- Regards Swati Kashyap Content & Marketing Manager Live: DATAFEST 2017 -- This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the name addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. You cannot use or forward any attachments in the email. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. Analytics Vidhya Educon Private Limited, DLF Phase 2, Gurgaon, India, www.analyticsvidhya.com From kracethekingmaker at gmail.com Thu Mar 30 09:20:40 2017 From: kracethekingmaker at gmail.com (kracekumar ramaraju) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 18:50:40 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] April Meetup - Call for speakers Message-ID: Hi April month, BangPypers is hosting the meetup [0] in Cowrks Infinity venue sponsored by ByteAcademy [1] on April 15th. The meetup will consist of talks. We're looking for speakers. If you're interested in talking, leave a comment in the meetup page [0] or reply to this email with Title, Short description of the talk and duration of the talk. The talk can last for fifteen or thirty minutes. The meetup doesn't have any specific theme. You can speak about a library, design patterns, debugging experience, productivity tools, framework and anything related to Python. If you'd like to host us in the future or give a workshop, please feel to write to me offline. [0]: https://www.meetup.com/BangPypers/events/238670176/ [1]: http://byteacademy.co/india/ -- Thanks & Regards kracekumar http://kracekumar.com From kracethekingmaker at gmail.com Thu Mar 30 11:49:31 2017 From: kracethekingmaker at gmail.com (kracekumar ramaraju) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 21:19:31 +0530 Subject: [BangPypers] Survey: Charging for Meetup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2017-03-25 20:54 GMT+05:30 kracekumar ramaraju : > Hi > > A lot of folks complain they don't get a seat in BangPypers meet-up due > to overwhelming response.Every meetup has at least 50 to 75 waitlisted > participants. > For IoT workshop organized on March, 267 people showed interest. The venue > limit was only 60. > > One of the members suggested charging a nominal fee. There was a > discussion in BangPypers mailing list. Here is the link to the entire > decision https://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2017-March/ > 011708.html. Please have a look. > > The general suggestion was positive to charge for the meetup. All the > organizers agreed to involve the broad audience. Hence consider answering > the question. > Depending on the survey result, we will decide how to proceed and try the > outcome as experiment unless the outcome is same as the current method. > > Feel to contact any of the co-organizers or drop an email on the mailing > list. > > Please take 30 seconds to fill the survey [0]. > Thank you to everyone who took the time to cast their opinion. 170 folks casted their views. Here is the link to the screenshot of the result [0]. Summary of the result: - 33.5% voted for "I am happy to pay a nominal fee of 100 INR. I want to receive a refund if I attend the meetup. In case of absence, BangPypers can use the money for other purposes like logistics." - 16.5% voted for "I am not interested to pay the nominal fee to attend meet-up. I'm happy with current method of capping the RSVPs." - 40.6% voted for "I am happy to pay a nominal fee of 100 INR. Let BangPypers use the fund to manage logistics." - 9.4% voted for "Don't limit RSVP. I am happy to leave the premise if I don't get a seat in the venue and adhere to the host venue limit" We will go ahead option 3. As mentioned in the previous conversation, there is no profit motive and will be an experimental initiative. Relevant queries from survey > If you charge (say) will the money go to PSF or bangpypers? Also, does charging a fee makes the organizers run into any tax related issues, which would be an additional hassle for the organizers. The organizers wrote an email to PSSI Board seeking permission to facilitate fee collection. The money will reach PSSI bank account and then disbursed as per need. We will share the BangPypers inflow and outflow transaction sheet to the members. > Can I cancel the ticket? Yes, you will be able to cancel the ticket. Depending on the platform, the cancellation rules will be laid down. > Collecting a fee may exclude students without the means to pay online. The payment platform will include all major payment options like NetBanking, Credit Cards, Debit Cards, etc. In case, the students don't have an option to pay online; we will make an exemption. The students can write to us or leave a message in meetup group with their details. There won't be any on spot cash collection. > Will all the future meetups charged? No. As we said, earlier this is an experimental initiative. We will charge for few meetups, i.e., Three meetups to see how is the turnout and what do people say, etc. We will have free meetups as well. Next steps will depend on the observation, [0]: https://www.dropbox.com/s/8m6db2t7iw55tx6/charging_meetup_response.png?dl=0 > [0]: https://goo.gl/ys6Bxo > > -- > Thanks & Regards > > kracekumar > http://kracekumar.com > -- Thanks & Regards kracekumar http://kracekumar.com