[Baypiggies] Baypiggies.net is moving

Ben Bangert ben at groovie.org
Thu Dec 1 08:42:51 CET 2005

On Nov 30, 2005, at 9:19 PM, Neal Norwitz wrote:

> This is an interesting  thread given something I just read at work
> this evening.  There is a Java group that needed something that
> allowed them to move faster than Java allowed.  They chose rails over
> a python solution.  One reason was they claimed there were 15 python
> web/templating solutions and 50 java ones.  Rails was an easy choice
> because there was no need to figure out which was the best.  I
> understand this argument cuts both ways (I've used both sides in the
> past).  I'm curious what people here think.
> Someone else mentioned that rails is the killer app for ruby that
> python still doesn't have.

Many would argue that Zope was the killer app, and you did indeed  
have many people that learned Python as a result of using Zope first.  
Of course, many of those people became less than enthusiastic about  
the bizarre learning curve amongst other Zope issues.

Ruby people running Nitro (http://www.nitrohq.com/) are not exactly  
enthusiastic about the fact that everyone running to Ruby assumes  
that the *only* Ruby web framework is Rails, they're not going to  
announce that though as anyone moving to Rails will eventually learn  
Ruby.... :)

For some reason managers like things were there's less brain-power to  
be exercised (there's only one framework, obviously ITS THE ONE WE  
SHOULD USE), and many beginner programmers like this since it makes  
it obvious where to begin. Python doesn't have this, and some think  
it should. I just don't know....

Anyways, its a fun discussion, maybe at next bay piggies we can all  
sit around at a bar and discuss it over some beers.


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