[Baypiggies] Voting for a new name

Kael Fischer kael.fischer at gmail.com
Wed Apr 12 19:21:07 CEST 2006

On 4/12/06, Marilyn Davis <marilyn at deliberate.com> wrote:
> Myself, I don't think any other issue is nearly as important.

I, on the other hand, think you protest a bit too much.  I rather
liked the 2 name solution that came up a few days ago, at least as a
way to get this discussion off the list.

> If you accept a name for yourself, then you become that.  It's why it
> is so important to say to your daughter, "You did a bad thing" rather
> than "You are a bad girl".  And you should never call yourself
> "stupid", or a "pig".

As powerful as words are and contrary to your advice, I generally tell
my daughter that words and names do not have quite the transformative
power you say they do.

'piggie' != 'pig'.

'Piggie' seems much closer to 'piggy'(n) which is most often used to
refer to toes, frequently the cute toes of a child.  When referring to
swine, 'piggy' is the small  new-born type and not associated with
typical 'pig' insults.  For instance, I grew up in the 60s and 70s in
Berkeley, but I have never heard anyone called a 'male chauvinist

> It's why I've always considered this group to be 'they' and not 'we'.
> Such a name certainly must support the culture of confusion and
> disorganization.

I thought what you wanted was a 'mechanism for change'.  This poll
seems to be focused on a particular change you want and not on

I see that, for you, this name issue is central to other issues you
have with the group.  But to say that the name "certainly must"
contribute to those problems is quite speculative.


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