[Baypiggies] Baypiggies Digest, Vol 9, Issue 24
Brain Murphy
brianomorchoe at yahoo.co.uk
Fri Jul 28 02:05:17 CEST 2006
Is it possible with wxpython to make a screen saver?
I would like to make one of the Dark Mark were the snake is waving left to right and back.
what would I need to do this, pygame?
Brian
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Today's Topics:
1. Wither IronPort? (Aahz)
2. Re: Wither IronPort? (Shannon -jj Behrens)
3. Re: Wither IronPort? (Carl J. Van Arsdall)
4. Re: 2006 Meeting Schedule (Mike Cheponis)
5. Re: 2006 Meeting Schedule (steve hindle)
6. Re: Wither IronPort? (Dennis Reinhardt)
7. Re: Wither IronPort? (Dennis Reinhardt)
8. Re: 2006 Meeting Schedule (Dennis Reinhardt)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:28:02 -0700
From: Aahz
Subject: [Baypiggies] Wither IronPort?
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On Wed, Jul 26, 2006, Carl J. Van Arsdall wrote:
>
> I honestly haven't seen too many people actually speak up in defense
> of Iron Port yet, so I'm starting to wonder if its worth the effort.
Maybe it's not worth the effort. What I wonder is why IronPort needs to
be constantly defended. The whole thing has left a bad taste in my
mouth, I'm sick and tired, and quite frankly, I'm >< this close to just
leaving BayPIGgies.
I'll just note one more time that IronPort attendance is nothing that
needs defending (IIRC, it consistently gets fifteen or more people), and
I'm certainly not the only person who supports IronPort as a location
despite never going there.
--
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/
"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by
definition, not smart enough to debug it." --Brian W. Kernighan
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:45:25 -0700
From: "Shannon -jj Behrens"
Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Wither IronPort?
To: Aahz
Cc: baypiggies at python.org
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I haven't spoken up to defend IronPort because I was wondering if
other people were going to do so. It definitely seems that the most
anti-IronPort people are simply very vocal. It's strange that Alex
who *works* at Google wasn't nearly as biased. It doesn't matter to
me; I'm happy to be free of additional responsibilities.
Best Regards,
-jj
On 7/26/06, Aahz wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2006, Carl J. Van Arsdall wrote:
> >
> > I honestly haven't seen too many people actually speak up in defense
> > of Iron Port yet, so I'm starting to wonder if its worth the effort.
>
> Maybe it's not worth the effort. What I wonder is why IronPort needs to
> be constantly defended. The whole thing has left a bad taste in my
> mouth, I'm sick and tired, and quite frankly, I'm >< this close to just
> leaving BayPIGgies.
>
> I'll just note one more time that IronPort attendance is nothing that
> needs defending (IIRC, it consistently gets fifteen or more people), and
> I'm certainly not the only person who supports IronPort as a location
> despite never going there.
> --
> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/
>
> "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
> Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by
> definition, not smart enough to debug it." --Brian W. Kernighan
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:01:47 -0700
From: "Carl J. Van Arsdall"
Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Wither IronPort?
To: Shannon -jj Behrens
Cc: baypiggies at python.org
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Maybe the vocalness of the list users was throwing me off. I definitely
don't think its worth leaving the group over. I think two things have
come out of this, one is that people would like more google meetings,
the other is that IronPort meetings need some help staffing.
Does that sound about right?
Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
> I haven't spoken up to defend IronPort because I was wondering if
> other people were going to do so. It definitely seems that the most
> anti-IronPort people are simply very vocal. It's strange that Alex
> who *works* at Google wasn't nearly as biased. It doesn't matter to
> me; I'm happy to be free of additional responsibilities.
>
> Best Regards,
> -jj
>
> On 7/26/06, Aahz wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2006, Carl J. Van Arsdall wrote:
>>
>>> I honestly haven't seen too many people actually speak up in defense
>>> of Iron Port yet, so I'm starting to wonder if its worth the effort.
>>>
>> Maybe it's not worth the effort. What I wonder is why IronPort needs to
>> be constantly defended. The whole thing has left a bad taste in my
>> mouth, I'm sick and tired, and quite frankly, I'm >< this close to just
>> leaving BayPIGgies.
>>
>> I'll just note one more time that IronPort attendance is nothing that
>> needs defending (IIRC, it consistently gets fifteen or more people), and
>> I'm certainly not the only person who supports IronPort as a location
>> despite never going there.
>> --
>> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/
>>
>> "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
>> Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by
>> definition, not smart enough to debug it." --Brian W. Kernighan
>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:09:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mike Cheponis
Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] 2006 Meeting Schedule
To: baypiggies at python.org
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On Wed, 26 Jul 2006, steve hindle wrote:
> On 7/26/06, Dennis Reinhardt wrote:
>>
>> unfocused meetings. I am not interested in organizing "let's see who shows
>> up and shoot from the hip once people arrive" meetings (or attending, for
>> that matter).
>>
> Understandable. However, are the people that attend the IronPort
> meetings willing to book their own speakers. For that matter, are
> they really concerned if there is a speaker or not (Perhaps they are
> more interested in the 'social' aspects like the 'random access' ?)
I regularly attend the South Bay NetBSD monthly meetings. There is _never_ an agenda! That would be far too organized for us. We have pizza and chat about some aspect of NetBSD that is relevant to each of us, as we wish. It's pure "random access". Since several NetBSD developers show up, it's a great place to have questions answered, or to have other smart folks critique an idea or to have them suggest some ways of solving a problem.
>> speakers. I would rather concentrate on Google. There is an opening for
>> an IronPort planning coordinator.
>>
> Fair enough - if there is interest, someone that attends the IronPort
> meetings should step up :-)
>
>> meetings. Any disagreement is in cutting back on IronPort meetings. Fair
>> summary?
>
> Perfect summary, as far as I'm concerned :-)
Well, I suggested 12+12...
As I see it, the meeting topics are a "draw" - they give people a reason to attend. But once a bunch of pythonistas gather, it's gonna be interesting, program or not.
-Mike
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:36:46 -0700
From: "steve hindle"
Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] 2006 Meeting Schedule
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On 7/26/06, Mike Cheponis wrote:
>
> I regularly attend the South Bay NetBSD monthly meetings. There is _never_ an agenda! That would be far too organized for us. We have pizza and chat about some aspect of NetBSD that is relevant to each of us, as we wish. It's pure "random access". Since several NetBSD developers show up, it's a great place to have questions answered, or to have other smart folks critique an idea or to have them suggest some ways of solving a problem.
>
Sounds like fun! It's kind of funny - but once a meeting topic has
been posted, 50% of the fun goes out of the presentation for me.
Either its something that really gets me interested, and I can't wait
till the meeting to start playing with it, reading up on it, etc. Or
its a topic that holds no interest for me. Either way, its like a kid
that opens his xmas presents early :-P
However, I consistently get lots of cool ideas from just chatting with
other geeks. Hearing what they're playing with, what they like/don't
like, etc. Generally stuff I never would have thought of/investigated
... All sorts of wierd and wonderful ideas just sort of bubble out.
>
> As I see it, the meeting topics are a "draw" - they give people a reason to attend. But once a bunch of pythonistas gather, it's gonna be interesting, program or not.
>
Yep - I really think its the people that make the meetings. And we
have a nice wide variety of people to talk with/learn from in this
group....
Steve
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:24:36 -0700
From: Dennis Reinhardt
Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Wither IronPort?
To: baypiggies at python.org
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At 05:01 PM 7/26/2006, Carl J. Van Arsdall wrote:
>Maybe the vocalness of the list users was throwing me off. I definitely
>don't think its worth leaving the group over. I think two things have
>come out of this, one is that people would like more google meetings,
>the other is that IronPort meetings need some help staffing.
>
>Does that sound about right?
Yes, with the addition of an added item: we need a schedule where the two
sites are not in contention with each other. I think this is best done by
moving the night of IronPort so it is not 2nd Thursday. This is not,
however, the only solution.
I believe the decision makers to decide IronPort future schedule are the
people who attend the IronPort meetings or would attend if held on a
different night.
Regards, Dennis
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:40:20 -0700
From: Dennis Reinhardt
Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Wither IronPort?
To: baypiggies at python.org
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The lock-step alternating locations plan is not working for us. In the
lock-step plan, any increase at Google, of necessity, is a diminishment at
IronPort. We need to get out of lock-step so that each site can find its
natural schedule.
pro(google) != anti(IronPort)
I suggest the natural schedule at Google is 12X/year. The present schedule
for IronPort is 6X/year. If we do nothing else, both meetings are on the
2nd Thursday. I submit the most reasonable way to proceed is schedule 15
minutes at next IronPort meeting for those attending at IronPort to decide
what the ongoing IronPort schedule is. A future Google meeting can set the
ongoing schedule at Google, likely for 2007 and beyond.
Regards, Dennis
>I haven't spoken up to defend IronPort because I was wondering if
>other people were going to do so. It definitely seems that the most
>anti-IronPort people are simply very vocal. It's strange that Alex
>who *works* at Google wasn't nearly as biased. It doesn't matter to
>me; I'm happy to be free of additional responsibilities.
>
>Best Regards,
>-jj
>
>On 7/26/06, Aahz wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 26, 2006, Carl J. Van Arsdall wrote:
> > >
> > > I honestly haven't seen too many people actually speak up in defense
> > > of Iron Port yet, so I'm starting to wonder if its worth the effort.
> >
> > Maybe it's not worth the effort. What I wonder is why IronPort needs to
> > be constantly defended. The whole thing has left a bad taste in my
> > mouth, I'm sick and tired, and quite frankly, I'm >< this close to just
> > leaving BayPIGgies.
> >
> > I'll just note one more time that IronPort attendance is nothing that
> > needs defending (IIRC, it consistently gets fifteen or more people), and
> > I'm certainly not the only person who supports IronPort as a location
> > despite never going there.
> > --
> > Aahz
> (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:39:27 -0700
From: Dennis Reinhardt
Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] 2006 Meeting Schedule
To: baypiggies at python.org
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At 05:09 PM 7/26/2006, Mike Cheponis wrote:
>SH> For that matter, are
> > they really concerned if there is a speaker or not (Perhaps they are
> > more interested in the 'social' aspects like the 'random access' ?)
>
>MC>I regularly attend the South Bay NetBSD monthly meetings.
>There is _never_ an agenda! ... It's pure "random access".
I have seen multiple models work. IMO, video taping and broadcasting
supports a speaker model. We are not having difficulty filling out a solid
speaker schedule at Google and are having difficulty at
IronPort. Fine. So, let's adapt.
>Well, I suggested 12+12...
>As I see it, the meeting topics are a "draw" - they give people a reason
>to attend. But once a bunch of pythonistas gather, it's gonna be
>interesting, program or not.
Having meetings at two locations with quite different characters sounds
great. It would be nice if they were held on different nights, but not at
all mandatory. Many conferences have 2 or more tracks, where the attendee
must chose one session to attend and attending both is not physically possible.
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