From george.grigoryev at stanford.edu Sat Aug 4 00:21:16 2007 From: george.grigoryev at stanford.edu (George Grigoryev) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:21:16 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Python Web Developer job at Stanford University Message-ID: <200708032221.l73MLDmc017033@smtp-roam.Stanford.EDU> I wanted to mention a Python Web Developer opportunity at Stanford. We are looking for a serious Python developer/hacker. The person will have an opportunity to interact with Stanford CS Natural Language Processing group and get exposed to the latest research in machine learning and NLP. There will also be an opportunity to write search and data-mining code. I am posting a job description below. Thanks, - George George Grigoryev Information Retrieval & NLP Project Lead Stanford Intellectual Property Clearinghouse george.grigoryev AT stanford DOT edu Tel: + 1.408.505.9945 ------------- Stanford University is looking for a hardcore Python coder/hacker. Our project: Stanford University is building an Intellectual Property Clearinghouse. The goal of the project is to create publicly accessible database of all Intellectual Property documents and build a specialized semantic search engine on top of it. - Project will help to improve US patent system and facilitate technology transfer - The project will benefit individual inventors, high-tech and bio-tech companies involved in technology transfer, patent policy makers and legal professionals - CS Professors Chris Manning and Hector Garcia-Molina are technical advisors - We perform cutting-edge research in Machine Learning and NLP on our Intellectual Property Corpus - This database of intellectual property documents has never been created before - Cisco, Oracle, Intel, SAP, Genentech and other tech companies are funding the effort Responsibilities: - Architect, build and maintain rapidly evolving Python-based Web site - Connect Web site to the Java-based back-end which supplies machine learning, natural language processing, search and data-mining functionality - Help with the development of the machine learning, natural language processing, search and data-mining modules (mostly with the interfaces and data I/O). Benefits: - Challenging, fun and startup-like environment at Stanford University - Exposure to the cutting edge Stanford Computer Science research - Opportunity to learn data-mining, machine learning and NLP, if desired - Opportunity to improve US Patent system and change the world - There will be an opportunity for commercial spin-offs (startups) - Industry competitive salary and full benefits (medical, dental, etc.) Required Qualification: - Hardcore Python individual - Expert Python skills for web development, database access - Expert HTML and CSS skills with cross-browser compatibility - Expert Java programming skills, OOP, design patterns - 7 - 8 years of development experience or equivalent skill level Additional Qualifications: - Good JavaScript skills with AJAX experience - Knowledge of open-source Java technologies, especially from Apache - Basic understanding of open source search and data-mining technologies (Lucene/Solr) - MySQL administration - Linux administration; bash scripting Positions: 1. We will hire an exceptional developer immediately full-time. 2. We could offer an opportunity for 1.5 - 2 months contracting with possibility of full-time hire afterwards 3. We could offer 1.5 - 2 month contract if someone is looking for a short-term engagement only Our technical environment: - We develop in 3 languages: Python (front end), Java (back end), and JavaScript (AJAX on the browser) - You get to decide on the best architecture/framework for the Python Web front-end - We build a large and computationally intensive Machine Learning and Natural Language Processing back-end in Java. - We build a large Search and Data-mining back-end in Java, mostly from open source components - Linux 64-bit x86 servers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20070803/dae20c70/attachment.htm From nnorwitz at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 00:48:35 2007 From: nnorwitz at gmail.com (Neal Norwitz) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 15:48:35 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] python sprint at Google Message-ID: In case people don't know, Google is hosting a sprint on Python again this year. We are planning to hack on the language from August 22-25. http://wiki.python.org/moin/GoogleSprint This is a great way to learn more about how to change language features! So if you want to learn more about how Python works underneath the covers or how we develop it, come find out. Right now we are expecting at least the following Googlers will be sprinting: Guido, Alex Martelli, Collin Winter, Talin, and myself If you are interested, you can sign up on the wiki. Feel free to ask any questions. n From cappy2112 at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 20:25:02 2007 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 11:25:02 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Release of public version of Wing IDE Message-ID: <8249c4ac0708041125i60a85164o25164e74e9c98c6b@mail.gmail.com> FYI Message: 3 Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:20:07 -0400 From: Wingware Subject: [wingide-users] Announcing Wing IDE 101 To: product-announce at wingware.com, wingide-users at wingware.com Message-ID: <46B37FE7.2070406 at wingware.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi, We're pleased to announce the first public beta release of Wing IDE 101, a free scaled back edition of Wing IDE that was designed for teaching entry level computer science courses. We are releasing Wing IDE 101 to the general public in the hopes that it may help others teach with or learn Python. Wingware also offers educational pricing for Wing IDE Professional, including steep discounts for class room use. If you are interested in teaching Python with Wing IDE, please email support at wingware.com for more information. Key features of Wing IDE 101 include: * Powerful Editor -- Syntax highlighting, goto-definition, navigation menus, error indicators, auto-indent, and keyboard emulation for Visual Studio, VI/Vim, Emacs, and Brief. * Python Shell -- Evaluate files and selections in the integrated Python shell. * Graphical Debugger -- Set breakpoints and view stack and program data. Note that Wing IDE 101 omits auto-completion and most other code intelligence features found in the other Wing IDE products. This was by design, so that students are more conscious of the details of the language and the modules that they are learning about. Wing IDE 101 is available on Windows, Linux, and Mac OS X. It is free for all non-commercial uses and does not require a license code to run. Wing 101 is not, however, open source. The current release is 3.0 beta1 and is available here: http://wingware.com/downloads/wingide-101 General information for beta testers is here: http://wingware.com/wingide/beta More details on Wing 101's features are here: http://wingware.com/wingide-101 http://wingware.com/wingide/features Please direct bug reports and suggestions to support at wingware.com. Thanks! The Wingware Team Wingware | Python IDE Advancing Software Development www.wingware.com From jim at well.com Sat Aug 4 22:18:39 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2007 13:18:39 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Meeting Notice: Python for Programmers, Part 2 of Newbies Night Message-ID: Thursday, August 9, 2007 Location: Google Agenda----------------------------- ..... 7:30 PM ........................... General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, any first-minute announcements. ..... 7:35 PM to 8:45 PM ................ Topic: Python for Programmers, Part 2 by Alex Martelli Part 2 is the second half of this terrific overview of the Python language that completes the bayPIGgies Newbies Night series for the year. ..... 8:45 PM to 9:00 PM ................ Mapping/Random Access Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of topics the announcers are interested in. Random Access follows immediately to allow follow up individually on topics of interest. ..... The September Meeting ................ The proposed September meeting is from the SnapLogic developer team presenting an overview of developing a product using Python, from concept through coding, testing, and release. Issues include architecture, library choices, hiring, "buy or build", working with open source products, custom tools, documentation, naming, testing and building. From jim at well.com Mon Aug 6 17:42:32 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 08:42:32 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Annc: User-Group Booth at LinuxWorld Conf & Expo this week (#644) Message-ID: <09b65cc8a9447fe2c904d5bdcbb202b2@well.com> > As you probably know, LinuxWorld Conference & Expo [1] takes this week > at > Moscone Center in San Francisco. IDG has been kind enough to provide > a free > booth for Bay Area User Groups. [2] > > Members of the following organizations have volunteered to represent > their > group during the 3-day-long Expo: > > * Linux Users' Group of Davis (LUGOD) > * San Francisco Linux Users Group (SF-LUG) > * Bay Area Linux User Group (BALUG; also in SF) > * Sillicon Valley-San Francisco Bay Area Python Interest Group > (bayPIGgies) > * San Francisco Bay Area Plone User Group (PloneLounge) > * Consortium of All Bay Area Linux (CABAL) > > On behalf of these groups [3], I'd like to invite those of you > attending LWCE > this year to drop by the booth and say 'hi'. > > If you have friends and colleagues attending LWCE, and would like to > introduce them to the User Group scene, please send them our way! > > And finally, if you'd like to throw some of your time at the booth as a > volunteer, please us know [4] (or just stop by and jump in). > > Thanks! > > -- Bill Kendrick > pr at lugod.org > Public Relations Officer > Linux Users' Group of Davis > http://www.lugod.org/ > > > [1] http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/live/12/ > > [2] The "LUGS" booth is #644. Note that is NOT in the ".org Pavillion" > this year. This year's LWCE Exhibit Hall floor plan is available > online: > > http://www.linuxworldexpo.com/dev/images/other/ > Website_NGDC_&_LWSFO7.pdf > > [3] I'm Public Relations officer and Vice President of LUGOD in Davis. > Together with Briana Pontremoli from IDG and Jim Stockford from > SF-LUG, > I've been helping keep track of volunteers and scheduling for this > booth. > ( http://www.lugod.org/projects/lwe/ ) > > [4] Jim: jim at well.com > Me: nbs at sonic.net > From lhawthorn at google.com Tue Aug 7 00:17:31 2007 From: lhawthorn at google.com (Leslie Hawthorn) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 15:17:31 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] please register for upcoming meeting Message-ID: <4869cee70708061517h7206e05bo53c7c581c9966a28@mail.gmail.com> Hello everyone, If you plan to attend the Baypiggies meeting at Google this Thursday, August 9th, please pre-register on the wiki at: http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings Please add your name no later than close of business on Wednesday, August 8th. If you do not add your name to the wiki before then, you can still sign in at reception upon arrival. Cheers, LH -- Leslie Hawthorn Program Manager - Open Source Google Inc. http://code.google.com From annaraven at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 06:29:21 2007 From: annaraven at gmail.com (Anna Ravenscroft) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 21:29:21 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] update the meeting description please? Message-ID: The website still references the July meeting. -- cordially, Anna -- It is fate, but call it Italy if it pleases you, Vicar! From spmcinerney at hotmail.com Tue Aug 7 06:39:38 2007 From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen McInerney) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 21:39:38 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] update the meeting description please? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I had sent several private mails last week saying that too. Regards, Stephen >From: "Anna Ravenscroft" > >The website still references the July meeting. > >cordially, >Anna _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more?.then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&ss=yp.bars~yp.pizza~yp.movie%20theater&cp=42.358996~-71.056691&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=950607&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 From jim at well.com Tue Aug 7 07:32:24 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:32:24 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] update the meeting description please? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <217bf492bbf70b39a0e753a7e2479c60@well.com> this is to some (large) degree my fault, as i'd told donna i'd have expanded info for the August talk and never provided it. she offered to update after i sent info. my apologies to all. i agree with Stephen, by the way, that we ought to do a little better in updating the site. Probably all agree in general, and hope we can now agree in specifics: what about a policy of updating at least two or three weeks prior to the next meeting? or one or two weeks after the current meeting? or...? On Aug 6, 2007, at 9:39 PM, Stephen McInerney wrote: > I had sent several private mails last week saying that too. > > Regards, > Stephen > >> From: "Anna Ravenscroft" >> >> The website still references the July meeting. >> >> cordially, >> Anna > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more > .then map the best route! > http://maps.live.com/default.aspx? > v=2&ss=yp.bars~yp.pizza~yp.movie%20theater&cp=42.358996~ > -71.056691&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt= > -1000&scene=950607&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies From jim at well.com Tue Aug 7 07:47:02 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:47:02 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] update the meeting description please? In-Reply-To: References: <217bf492bbf70b39a0e753a7e2479c60@well.com> Message-ID: the sf-lug.com server host is available. the sf-lug.org web site is hosted on a circlesoft.com box and not available to additional community groups, at least not through sf-lug. The sf-lug.com box is in the ServePath colo facility on Spear Street in San Francisco, courtesy of ServePath. It currently supports sf-lug and balug software and is intended for open source community use. On Aug 6, 2007, at 10:36 PM, Asheesh Laroia wrote: > On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, jim stockford wrote: > >> Probably all agree in general, and hope we can >> now agree in specifics: what about a policy of >> updating at least two or three weeks prior to the >> next meeting? or one or two weeks after the >> current meeting? or...? > > Or you make it a wiki or some system that allows easy, preferably > OpenID logins, and then you empower the community to make our lives > better. > > Let me know if you want help; I'm willing to take the time to convert > the existing site into the wiki engine I know best (MediaWiki) if you > guys will actually use it. We could even host it on the sf-lug.org > server.... (-: > > -- Asheesh. > > -- > Most people don't need a great deal of love nearly so much as they need > a steady supply. > From keith at dartworks.biz Tue Aug 7 07:49:46 2007 From: keith at dartworks.biz (Keith Dart =?UTF-8?B?4pmC?=) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:49:46 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] update the meeting description please? In-Reply-To: References: <217bf492bbf70b39a0e753a7e2479c60@well.com> Message-ID: <20070806224946.3527966e@psyche.corp.google.com> jim stockford wrote the following on 2007-08-06 at 22:47 PDT: === > the sf-lug.com server host is available. the sf-lug.org > web site is hosted on a circlesoft.com box and not > available to additional community groups, at least not > through sf-lug. > The sf-lug.com box is in the ServePath colo facility > on Spear Street in San Francisco, courtesy of ServePath. > It currently supports sf-lug and balug software and is > intended for open source community use. === If not that then I have a dedicated host you can put whatever you want on it. :-) Currently it runs a custom Python-based web application server... without much content. Of course I would love to have a reason to use it. So let me know. This server could also be extended, in pure Python, to do whatever the piggies want. :-) We could make it a community hack server... http://www.pycopia.net/ -- -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Keith Dart public key: ID: 19017044 ===================================================================== From mrbmahoney at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 05:09:59 2007 From: mrbmahoney at gmail.com (Brian Mahoney) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 20:09:59 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Dinner Announcement - Thursday, August 9, 6 pm Message-ID: <5538c19b0708062009k4a8ee1deif48ffa3ec30bd37a@mail.gmail.com> For Thursday, August 9, I can coordinate a pre-meeting dinner in Mountain View, before the BayPIGgies meeting at Google . Restaurant reservations may be sent to my email until Thursday afternoon (earlier is better). We eat family-style, there are vegetarian and non-vegetarian dishes. Cost around $10 per person, including tax and tip. Bring cash, please. Start dinner at 6pm and I will keep things moving so that we finish and get everyone headed towards Google to complete sign-in before the 7:30 meeting start. The restaurant is Cafe Yulong in downtown Mountain View (650) 960-1677 743 W Dana Street, 1/2 block from Castro where Books, Inc is on the corner. Parking lots all around, but downtown Mountain View parking is still difficult. It is a slightly out of the ordinary Chinese restaurant. This link has a downtown map and additional information. http://www.mountainviewca.net/restaurants/cafeyulong.html I've made reservations under "Python" for 6pm Thursday. If you wish to join us for dinner please e-mail me by 3 pm Thursday (earlier is better) so I may confirm the headcount. From asheesh at asheesh.org Tue Aug 7 07:59:08 2007 From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:59:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Baypiggies] update the meeting description please? In-Reply-To: References: <217bf492bbf70b39a0e753a7e2479c60@well.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, jim stockford wrote: > The sf-lug.com box is in the ServePath colo facility > on Spear Street in San Francisco, courtesy of ServePath. > It currently supports sf-lug and balug software and is > intended for open source community use. That's the machine I meant. Someone who runs the real baypiggies website just let me know, and within a few days I can convert the existing website to MediaWiki and it'll look almost the same only have an 'edit' button and a 'diff' button and support logins as well as have antispam protection via recaptcha.net. I could also do it elsewhere, I just suggested sf-lug.com's machine because I already have a shell there. -- Asheesh. -- Art is either plagiarism or revolution. -- Paul Gauguin From keith at dartworks.biz Tue Aug 7 08:04:47 2007 From: keith at dartworks.biz (Keith Dart =?UTF-8?B?4pmC?=) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 23:04:47 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] update the meeting description please? In-Reply-To: References: <217bf492bbf70b39a0e753a7e2479c60@well.com> Message-ID: <20070806230447.4a57e86f@psyche.corp.google.com> Asheesh Laroia wrote the following on 2007-08-06 at 22:59 PDT: === > That's the machine I meant. Someone who runs the real baypiggies website > just let me know, and within a few days I can convert the existing website > to MediaWiki and it'll look almost the same only have an 'edit' button and > a 'diff' button and support logins as well as have antispam protection via > recaptcha.net. === But MediaWiki is not implemented in Python... I think we should "eat our own dogfood". :-) -- -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Keith Dart public key: ID: 19017044 ===================================================================== From asheesh at asheesh.org Tue Aug 7 07:36:03 2007 From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 22:36:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Baypiggies] update the meeting description please? In-Reply-To: <217bf492bbf70b39a0e753a7e2479c60@well.com> References: <217bf492bbf70b39a0e753a7e2479c60@well.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, jim stockford wrote: > Probably all agree in general, and hope we can > now agree in specifics: what about a policy of > updating at least two or three weeks prior to the > next meeting? or one or two weeks after the > current meeting? or...? Or you make it a wiki or some system that allows easy, preferably OpenID logins, and then you empower the community to make our lives better. Let me know if you want help; I'm willing to take the time to convert the existing site into the wiki engine I know best (MediaWiki) if you guys will actually use it. We could even host it on the sf-lug.org server.... (-: -- Asheesh. -- Most people don't need a great deal of love nearly so much as they need a steady supply. From asheesh at asheesh.org Tue Aug 7 08:09:26 2007 From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 23:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Baypiggies] update the meeting description please? In-Reply-To: <20070806230447.4a57e86f@psyche.corp.google.com> References: <217bf492bbf70b39a0e753a7e2479c60@well.com> <20070806230447.4a57e86f@psyche.corp.google.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, Keith Dart ? wrote: > But MediaWiki is not implemented in Python... I think we should "eat > our own dogfood". :-) That's a very good point. Maybe I'll just try setting up e.g. http://infomesh.net/pwyky/ (or maybe MoinMoin despite having spent the past 3-4 years running away from it) sometime soonish on my sf-lug.com account and demo it to this list. But until then, someone should update the real website! (-: -- Asheesh. -- Much of the excitement we get out of our work is that we don't really know what we are doing. -- E. Dijkstra From wescpy at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 08:13:12 2007 From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 23:13:12 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] update the meeting description please? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78b3a9580708062313r7a64f1c8mbcb3b3476ef4d9e6@mail.gmail.com> > The website still references the July meeting. FIXED. there are like 4-6 ppl with the credentials to login to make this update. un4tunately, i haven't been able to make it to meetings lately due to my busy schedule -- this thurs is an exception tho so i'll see you all there -- but it would be nice if one of the others were able to help update the front page while i'm not looking. -- wesley - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001 http://corepython.com wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com python training and technical consulting cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca http://cyberwebconsulting.com From john_re at fastmail.us Tue Aug 7 08:20:46 2007 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 23:20:46 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Was Part 1 of Newbies Night video recorded? Message-ID: <1186467646.7548.1204102267@webmail.messagingengine.com> http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings "Logistics - All meetings are videotaped and made available on Google Video or YouTube." http://wiki.python.org/moin/YouTube "This page does not exist yet. You can create a new empty page, or use one of the page templates. Before creating the page, please check if a similar page already exists." ----- [Baypiggies] Meeting Notice: Python for Programmers, Part 2 of Newbies Night http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/2007-August/002393.html http://youtube.com/results?search_query=python+piggies&search=Search http://youtube.com/results?search_query=python+baypiggies&search=Search - only one listing: http://youtube.com/watch?v=9TEn3AYmaPc Some Python Integrated Development Environments , 2006 Bay Area Python Interest Group http://baypiggies.net/ Topic: Emacs Presenter: Marylin Davis Marilyn Davis is the Python Instructor at UCSC Google TechTalks July 13, 2006 Topic: Emacs Topic: Vim ----- http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=baypiggies only 3 listings, not the newbies night. :( ------ I recall that the SVWebGuild meeting I attended at Google was video recorded. http://www.webguild.org/ ------ Would it be possible to record this August's meeting? Thanks to all the BayPiggies volunteers! :) -- john_re at fastmail.us -- http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail From warren at muse.com Tue Aug 7 20:47:34 2007 From: warren at muse.com (Warren Stringer) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:47:34 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] update the meeting description please? In-Reply-To: References: <217bf492bbf70b39a0e753a7e2479c60@well.com><20070806230447.4a57e86f@psyche.corp.google.com> Message-ID: <001f01c7d923$6b3c1190$210110ac@Muse> -1 on moinmoin, as per an earlier email on its infuriating lack of interaction design. As for pwyky, I can't try it out as the link in http://infomesh.net/pwyky/ to http://sbp.f2o.org/pwyky/ yields: '...The requested URL /pwyky/ was not found on this server...' Regardless of what dogfood is used, I still think the best dogbowl is Meetup.com ... howl if you like. In my case, I went looking for the Python group from within Meetup, first. Some groups redirect the signup process from Meetup.com to their own service. So, Baypiggies *could* have it both ways. \~/ > -----Original Message----- > From: baypiggies-bounces at python.org [mailto:baypiggies-bounces at python.org] > On Behalf Of Asheesh Laroia > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 11:09 PM > To: baypiggies at python.org > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] update the meeting description please? > > On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, Keith Dart ? wrote: > > > But MediaWiki is not implemented in Python... I think we should "eat > > our own dogfood". :-) > > That's a very good point. Maybe I'll just try setting up e.g. > http://infomesh.net/pwyky/ (or maybe MoinMoin despite having spent the > past 3-4 years running away from it) sometime soonish on my sf-lug.com > account and demo it to this list. > > But until then, someone should update the real website! (-: > > -- Asheesh. > > -- > Much of the excitement we get out of our work is that we don't really > know what we are doing. > -- E. Dijkstra From donnamsnow at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 23:14:41 2007 From: donnamsnow at gmail.com (Donna Snow) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 14:14:41 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] update the meeting description please? In-Reply-To: <001f01c7d923$6b3c1190$210110ac@Muse> References: <217bf492bbf70b39a0e753a7e2479c60@well.com> <20070806230447.4a57e86f@psyche.corp.google.com> <001f01c7d923$6b3c1190$210110ac@Muse> Message-ID: We have a Plone site.. ready and waiting.. http://www.baypiggies.net/new/plone I moved tony's reviews over this past weekend.. and moved all the meeting notes to Meeting Archives We could move over now if we wanted.. The only question I have is where do we want to list the current meeting? On the homepage like we do now..or in an events portlet on the right side.. that they can click on for more information... Donna On 8/7/07, Warren Stringer wrote: > -1 on moinmoin, as per an earlier email on its infuriating lack of > interaction design. > > As for pwyky, I can't try it out as the link in http://infomesh.net/pwyky/ > to http://sbp.f2o.org/pwyky/ yields: '...The requested URL /pwyky/ was not > found on this server...' > > Regardless of what dogfood is used, I still think the best dogbowl is > Meetup.com ... howl if you like. In my case, I went looking for the Python > group from within Meetup, first. Some groups redirect the signup process > from Meetup.com to their own service. So, Baypiggies *could* have it both > ways. > > \~/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: baypiggies-bounces at python.org [mailto:baypiggies-bounces at python.org] > > On Behalf Of Asheesh Laroia > > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 11:09 PM > > To: baypiggies at python.org > > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] update the meeting description please? > > > > On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, Keith Dart ? wrote: > > > > > But MediaWiki is not implemented in Python... I think we should "eat > > > our own dogfood". :-) > > > > That's a very good point. Maybe I'll just try setting up e.g. > > http://infomesh.net/pwyky/ (or maybe MoinMoin despite having spent the > > past 3-4 years running away from it) sometime soonish on my sf-lug.com > > account and demo it to this list. > > > > But until then, someone should update the real website! (-: > > > > -- Asheesh. > > > > -- > > Much of the excitement we get out of our work is that we don't really > > know what we are doing. > > -- E. Dijkstra > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From warren at muse.com Wed Aug 8 03:21:41 2007 From: warren at muse.com (Warren Stringer) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 18:21:41 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] update the meeting description please? In-Reply-To: References: <217bf492bbf70b39a0e753a7e2479c60@well.com> <20070806230447.4a57e86f@psyche.corp.google.com> <001f01c7d923$6b3c1190$210110ac@Muse> Message-ID: <003b01c7d95a$79dae0a0$210110ac@Muse> First off, congratulations! This is so much better, it looks like something out of the 21st Century -- woof! ;-) My vote is to put the most popular info the fewest clicks away. That would mean putting the current meeting on the home page, above the meeting instructions. Other tweaks, but not a show stopper: It appears that calendar doesn't do anything, so it is a distraction -- I'd get rid of it. Moreover, calendar placement on the Meeting Archive section is broken, in Firefox. Likewise for the News and Events tabs: they do nothing; a distraction that can be discarded. Less is more. Main page

fontsize could be knocked back to size of

as "portal-logo" already announces that we are the "Bay Area Python Interest Group". This would leave more room for both the current month's announcement and general information about when the group meets. Green Font is slightly washed out and hard to read ... could be slightly darker. Most noticeable in the Archives section with green

headers. What else? Registration process is easy. Looks great on my iPhone. Cool beans! \\~/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Donna Snow [mailto:donnamsnow at gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 2:15 PM > To: Warren Stringer > Cc: Asheesh Laroia; Python > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] update the meeting description please? > > We have a Plone site.. ready and waiting.. > http://www.baypiggies.net/new/plone > > I moved tony's reviews over this past weekend.. and moved all the > meeting notes to Meeting Archives > > We could move over now if we wanted.. > > The only question I have is where do we want to list the current > meeting? On the homepage like we do now..or in an events portlet on > the right side.. that they can click on for more information... > > Donna > > On 8/7/07, Warren Stringer wrote: > > -1 on moinmoin, as per an earlier email on its infuriating lack of > > interaction design. > > > > As for pwyky, I can't try it out as the link in > http://infomesh.net/pwyky/ > > to http://sbp.f2o.org/pwyky/ yields: '...The requested URL /pwyky/ was > not > > found on this server...' > > > > Regardless of what dogfood is used, I still think the best dogbowl is > > Meetup.com ... howl if you like. In my case, I went looking for the > Python > > group from within Meetup, first. Some groups redirect the signup process > > from Meetup.com to their own service. So, Baypiggies *could* have it > both > > ways. > > > > \~/ > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: baypiggies-bounces at python.org [mailto:baypiggies- > bounces at python.org] > > > On Behalf Of Asheesh Laroia > > > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 11:09 PM > > > To: baypiggies at python.org > > > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] update the meeting description please? > > > > > > On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, Keith Dart ? wrote: > > > > > > > But MediaWiki is not implemented in Python... I think we should "eat > > > > our own dogfood". :-) > > > > > > That's a very good point. Maybe I'll just try setting up e.g. > > > http://infomesh.net/pwyky/ (or maybe MoinMoin despite having spent the > > > past 3-4 years running away from it) sometime soonish on my sf-lug.com > > > account and demo it to this list. > > > > > > But until then, someone should update the real website! (-: > > > > > > -- Asheesh. > > > > > > -- > > > Much of the excitement we get out of our work is that we don't really > > > know what we are doing. > > > -- E. Dijkstra > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > From dcramer at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 03:25:43 2007 From: dcramer at gmail.com (David Cramer) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 18:25:43 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] update the meeting description please? In-Reply-To: <003b01c7d95a$79dae0a0$210110ac@Muse> References: <217bf492bbf70b39a0e753a7e2479c60@well.com> <20070806230447.4a57e86f@psyche.corp.google.com> <001f01c7d923$6b3c1190$210110ac@Muse> <003b01c7d95a$79dae0a0$210110ac@Muse> Message-ID: documentByLine has a very small text size for me in Fx on OS X. I also agree the h1 is way too big, even the h2 is quite big, as well as the green being too light :) The calender could be useful if it just showed current date + date of next bay piggies meeting (even though its always the same). On 8/7/07, Warren Stringer wrote: > > First off, congratulations! This is so much better, it looks like > something > out of the 21st Century -- woof! ;-) > > My vote is to put the most popular info the fewest clicks away. That would > mean putting the current meeting on the home page, above the meeting > instructions. > > Other tweaks, but not a show stopper: > > It appears that calendar doesn't do anything, so it is a distraction -- > I'd > get rid of it. Moreover, calendar placement on the Meeting Archive section > is broken, in Firefox. > > Likewise for the News and Events tabs: they do nothing; a distraction that > can be discarded. Less is more. > > Main page

fontsize could be knocked back to size of

as > "portal-logo" already announces that we are the "Bay Area Python Interest > Group". This would leave more room for both the current month's > announcement > and general information about when the group meets. > > Green Font is slightly washed out and hard to read ... could be slightly > darker. Most noticeable in the Archives section with green

headers. > > What else? > > Registration process is easy. > Looks great on my iPhone. > Cool beans! > > \\~/ > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Donna Snow [mailto:donnamsnow at gmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 2:15 PM > > To: Warren Stringer > > Cc: Asheesh Laroia; Python > > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] update the meeting description please? > > > > We have a Plone site.. ready and waiting.. > > http://www.baypiggies.net/new/plone > > > > I moved tony's reviews over this past weekend.. and moved all the > > meeting notes to Meeting Archives > > > > We could move over now if we wanted.. > > > > The only question I have is where do we want to list the current > > meeting? On the homepage like we do now..or in an events portlet on > > the right side.. that they can click on for more information... > > > > Donna > > > > On 8/7/07, Warren Stringer wrote: > > > -1 on moinmoin, as per an earlier email on its infuriating lack of > > > interaction design. > > > > > > As for pwyky, I can't try it out as the link in > > http://infomesh.net/pwyky/ > > > to http://sbp.f2o.org/pwyky/ yields: '...The requested URL /pwyky/ was > > not > > > found on this server...' > > > > > > Regardless of what dogfood is used, I still think the best dogbowl is > > > Meetup.com ... howl if you like. In my case, I went looking for the > > Python > > > group from within Meetup, first. Some groups redirect the signup > process > > > from Meetup.com to their own service. So, Baypiggies *could* have it > > both > > > ways. > > > > > > \~/ > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: baypiggies-bounces at python.org [mailto:baypiggies- > > bounces at python.org] > > > > On Behalf Of Asheesh Laroia > > > > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 11:09 PM > > > > To: baypiggies at python.org > > > > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] update the meeting description please? > > > > > > > > On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, Keith Dart ? wrote: > > > > > > > > > But MediaWiki is not implemented in Python... I think we should > "eat > > > > > our own dogfood". :-) > > > > > > > > That's a very good point. Maybe I'll just try setting up e.g. > > > > http://infomesh.net/pwyky/ (or maybe MoinMoin despite having spent > the > > > > past 3-4 years running away from it) sometime soonish on my > sf-lug.com > > > > account and demo it to this list. > > > > > > > > But until then, someone should update the real website! (-: > > > > > > > > -- Asheesh. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Much of the excitement we get out of our work is that we don't > really > > > > know what we are doing. > > > > -- E. Dijkstra > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Baypiggies mailing list > > > Baypiggies at python.org > > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- David Cramer Lead Developer Curse, Inc. http://www.curse.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20070807/d7017d0a/attachment.htm From spmcinerney at hotmail.com Wed Aug 8 03:37:53 2007 From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen McInerney) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:37:53 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] update the meeting description please? In-Reply-To: <003b01c7d95a$79dae0a0$210110ac@Muse> Message-ID: Donna - looks great. (July & Aug content is missing) Let's just switchover this Friday, immediately after the mtg, if it's been coordinated with the other Plone volunteers. Did you train up enough Plone webmasters to duplicate for you? If not, are you rescheduling that soon? Registration is currently the biggest issue, so Plone should make this a thing of the past. Non-essential: Any chance you can improve the Archived meeting page to have a list of one-line anchor links at top, before the concatenation of all previous meetings? e.g.

"June 2007: unittest (Collin Winter, Google)" "May 2007: Newbie Night (various speakers)" ...

(There is no need to archive the full meeting announce, timeline etc, only the important parts (topic, speaker, affiliation, abstract, URLs) In future if we want to get fancy we could have tags e.g. "Tags: newbies, snippets" Then crosslink these to other talks. etc. Maybe it's worth having a separate page for Site Bugs and Enhances where you can communicate on this stuff, people can vote on what they want etc without jamming the list. The sky's the limit. Again, good job. Regards, Stephen _________________________________________________________________ Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel. http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001 From annaraven at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 03:46:46 2007 From: annaraven at gmail.com (Anna Ravenscroft) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 18:46:46 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] update the meeting description please? In-Reply-To: References: <217bf492bbf70b39a0e753a7e2479c60@well.com> <20070806230447.4a57e86f@psyche.corp.google.com> <001f01c7d923$6b3c1190$210110ac@Muse> Message-ID: On 8/7/07, Donna Snow wrote: > We have a Plone site.. ready and waiting.. http://www.baypiggies.net/new/plone > > I moved tony's reviews over this past weekend.. and moved all the > meeting notes to Meeting Archives > > We could move over now if we wanted.. > > The only question I have is where do we want to list the current > meeting? On the homepage like we do now..or in an events portlet on > the right side.. that they can click on for more information... On the homepage, definitely. Someone looking at the site generally wants to see that info more than anything else. I agree that the green is impossible to read. Please fix that. Also, the calendar should have the bayPiggies meeting night marked (can we get an iCal/vCal downloadable meeting event?) And could clicking on it bring a link to the meeting archives? Also, the current announcement on the "old" page has a misspelling: memberes. -- cordially, Anna -- It is fate, but call it Italy if it pleases you, Vicar! From john_re at fastmail.us Wed Aug 8 04:46:43 2007 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 19:46:43 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] possible to video record the Python talk this week? Message-ID: <1186541203.21563.1204283959@webmail.messagingengine.com> Would it be possible to make a video recording of the talk at the meeting this week? Is there a social infrastructure to get this accomplished easily? Perhaps Google has employees or consultants who video record things? (Perhaps they are the ones who record the SVWebGuild meetings that are held at Google? Maybe it would only take a phone call or email to request this?) Is there someone in BayPiggies who could request & arrange for this meeting to be recorded? I think having the meetings recorded would be a great service to the Python community. Thanks. :) -- john_re at fastmail.us -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own From jim at well.com Wed Aug 8 05:23:03 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 20:23:03 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] update the meeting description please? In-Reply-To: References: <217bf492bbf70b39a0e753a7e2479c60@well.com> <20070806230447.4a57e86f@psyche.corp.google.com> <001f01c7d923$6b3c1190$210110ac@Muse> Message-ID: <657a4fcfb283b7176f7901feb30276b5@well.com> I agree with all comments, and wow, thanks. I think delete the text: Please note: Starting with our September 2006 meeting, all future meetings are at Google unless otherwise specified. a year's gone by, the above is probably just noise. jim On Aug 7, 2007, at 6:46 PM, Anna Ravenscroft wrote: > On 8/7/07, Donna Snow wrote: >> We have a Plone site.. ready and waiting.. >> http://www.baypiggies.net/new/plone >> >> I moved tony's reviews over this past weekend.. and moved all the >> meeting notes to Meeting Archives >> >> We could move over now if we wanted.. >> >> The only question I have is where do we want to list the current >> meeting? On the homepage like we do now..or in an events portlet on >> the right side.. that they can click on for more information... > > On the homepage, definitely. Someone looking at the site generally > wants to see that info more than anything else. > > I agree that the green is impossible to read. Please fix that. > > Also, the calendar should have the bayPiggies meeting night marked > (can we get an iCal/vCal downloadable meeting event?) And could > clicking on it bring a link to the meeting archives? > > Also, the current announcement on the "old" page has a misspelling: > memberes. > -- > cordially, > Anna > -- > It is fate, but call it Italy if it pleases you, Vicar! > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From jjinux at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 06:25:42 2007 From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:25:42 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] update the meeting description please? In-Reply-To: <657a4fcfb283b7176f7901feb30276b5@well.com> References: <20070806230447.4a57e86f@psyche.corp.google.com> <001f01c7d923$6b3c1190$210110ac@Muse> <657a4fcfb283b7176f7901feb30276b5@well.com> Message-ID: Ok, before we fix any bugs, can we ship this thing? I feel like Donna's waiting for permission, but I'm not sure who's supposed to give her permission. Let's ship it! The tiny things will get fixed faster and by more people once it's staring us in the face. Who has access to make this *the* baypiggies.net? Thanks for your hard work, Donna! -jj On 8/7/07, jim stockford wrote: > > I agree with all comments, and wow, thanks. > > I think delete the text: > Please note: Starting with our September 2006 meeting, > all future meetings are at Google unless otherwise specified. > > a year's gone by, the above is probably just noise. > jim > > > On Aug 7, 2007, at 6:46 PM, Anna Ravenscroft wrote: > > > On 8/7/07, Donna Snow wrote: > >> We have a Plone site.. ready and waiting.. > >> http://www.baypiggies.net/new/plone > >> > >> I moved tony's reviews over this past weekend.. and moved all the > >> meeting notes to Meeting Archives > >> > >> We could move over now if we wanted.. > >> > >> The only question I have is where do we want to list the current > >> meeting? On the homepage like we do now..or in an events portlet on > >> the right side.. that they can click on for more information... > > > > On the homepage, definitely. Someone looking at the site generally > > wants to see that info more than anything else. > > > > I agree that the green is impossible to read. Please fix that. > > > > Also, the calendar should have the bayPiggies meeting night marked > > (can we get an iCal/vCal downloadable meeting event?) And could > > clicking on it bring a link to the meeting archives? > > > > Also, the current announcement on the "old" page has a misspelling: > > memberes. > > -- > > cordially, > > Anna > > -- > > It is fate, but call it Italy if it pleases you, Vicar! > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ From jjinux at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 06:32:48 2007 From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:32:48 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] possible to video record the Python talk this week? In-Reply-To: <1186541203.21563.1204283959@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1186541203.21563.1204283959@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On 8/7/07, john_re wrote: > Would it be possible to make a video recording of the talk at the > meeting this week? > > Is there a social infrastructure to get this accomplished easily? > Perhaps Google has employees or consultants who video record things? > (Perhaps they are the ones who record the SVWebGuild meetings that are > held at Google? Maybe it would only take a phone call or email to > request this?) > > Is there someone in BayPiggies who could request & arrange for this > meeting to be recorded? > > I think having the meetings recorded would be a great service to the > Python community. > > Thanks. :) Many of the meetings are recorded by Googlers. For instance, here's mine :) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1870073927412058193&q=programmer+productivity There are secret Google agents everywhere, and they've infested this mailing list! They might be listening to everything you say! I think that by default, they record anything they think is going to be considered interesting by other Googlers. Happy Hacking! -jj -- http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ From jjinux at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 06:36:40 2007 From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:36:40 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Was Part 1 of Newbies Night video recorded? In-Reply-To: <1186467646.7548.1204102267@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1186467646.7548.1204102267@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: They're called "Google Tech Talks": http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=google+tech+talks Happy Hacking! -jj On 8/6/07, john_re wrote: > http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings > "Logistics - All meetings are videotaped and made available on Google > Video or YouTube." > > http://wiki.python.org/moin/YouTube > "This page does not exist yet. You can create a new empty page, or use > one of the page templates. Before creating the page, please check if a > similar page already exists." > > ----- > [Baypiggies] Meeting Notice: Python for Programmers, Part 2 of Newbies > Night > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/2007-August/002393.html > > http://youtube.com/results?search_query=python+piggies&search=Search > http://youtube.com/results?search_query=python+baypiggies&search=Search > - only one listing: > > http://youtube.com/watch?v=9TEn3AYmaPc > Some Python Integrated Development Environments > , 2006 Bay Area Python Interest Group http://baypiggies.net/ Topic: > Emacs Presenter: Marylin Davis Marilyn Davis is the Python Instructor at > UCSC Google TechTalks > July 13, 2006 > Topic: Emacs > Topic: Vim > > ----- > http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=baypiggies > only 3 listings, not the newbies night. :( > > ------ > I recall that the SVWebGuild meeting I attended at Google was video > recorded. > http://www.webguild.org/ > > ------ > Would it be possible to record this August's meeting? > > Thanks to all the BayPiggies volunteers! :) > -- > > john_re at fastmail.us > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ From asheesh at asheesh.org Wed Aug 8 06:37:30 2007 From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Baypiggies] possible to video record the Python talk this week? In-Reply-To: References: <1186541203.21563.1204283959@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Aug 2007, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > There are secret Google agents everywhere, and they've infested this > mailing list! They might be listening to everything you say! I think > that by default, they record anything they think is going to be > considered interesting by other Googlers. I presume this is also the policy for Gmail. -- Asheesh. -- Out of sight is out of mind. -- Arthur Clough From whitaker at google.com Wed Aug 8 06:49:03 2007 From: whitaker at google.com (Russell Whitaker) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 21:49:03 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] possible to video record the Python talk this week? In-Reply-To: References: <1186541203.21563.1204283959@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <997a56990708072149q28a2b768kf37066367f038c0a@mail.gmail.com> On 8/7/07, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > On 8/7/07, john_re wrote: > > Would it be possible to make a video recording of the talk at the > > meeting this week? > > > > Is there a social infrastructure to get this accomplished easily? > > Perhaps Google has employees or consultants who video record things? > > (Perhaps they are the ones who record the SVWebGuild meetings that are > > held at Google? Maybe it would only take a phone call or email to > > request this?) > > > > Is there someone in BayPiggies who could request & arrange for this > > meeting to be recorded? > > > > I think having the meetings recorded would be a great service to the > > Python community. > > > > Thanks. :) > > Many of the meetings are recorded by Googlers. For instance, here's mine :) > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1870073927412058193&q=programmer+productivity > > There are secret Google agents everywhere, and they've infested this > mailing list! They might be listening to everything you say! I think > that by default, they record anything they think is going to be > considered interesting by other Googlers. > Uh, yeah, that's pretty much correct. I for one volunteered my time to record this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-540262696706523167 In answer to "john_re" (john regex?), this service is provided by those of us who can take time to do the work, which involves preparation, onsite filming, and (usually) lots of followup. If you can find someone willing to do so, you're golden. We help when we can. By the way, I did a Python tech talk in Ann Arbor last week: http://srtsolutions.com/blogs/diannemarsh/archive/2007/08/06/russell-whitaker-test-driven-development-in-python-a-quick-start-approach-review-recap.aspx If I were in town next month - and not moved to New York - I've give the same talk at BayPIGgies. I'll make sure the next one I do gets put up on Google Video. -- Russell Whitaker Google Inc. From jim at well.com Wed Aug 8 15:31:40 2007 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 06:31:40 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] update the meeting description please? In-Reply-To: References: <20070806230447.4a57e86f@psyche.corp.google.com> <001f01c7d923$6b3c1190$210110ac@Muse> <657a4fcfb283b7176f7901feb30276b5@well.com> Message-ID: <7f534e9a25a093f020d94fc34ff09f57@well.com> let's ship it. On Aug 7, 2007, at 9:25 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > Ok, before we fix any bugs, can we ship this thing? I feel like > Donna's waiting for permission, but I'm not sure who's supposed to > give her permission. Let's ship it! The tiny things will get fixed > faster and by more people once it's staring us in the face. Who has > access to make this *the* baypiggies.net? > > Thanks for your hard work, Donna! > > -jj > > On 8/7/07, jim stockford wrote: >> >> I agree with all comments, and wow, thanks. >> >> I think delete the text: >> Please note: Starting with our September 2006 meeting, >> all future meetings are at Google unless otherwise specified. >> >> a year's gone by, the above is probably just noise. >> jim >> >> >> On Aug 7, 2007, at 6:46 PM, Anna Ravenscroft wrote: >> >>> On 8/7/07, Donna Snow wrote: >>>> We have a Plone site.. ready and waiting.. >>>> http://www.baypiggies.net/new/plone >>>> >>>> I moved tony's reviews over this past weekend.. and moved all the >>>> meeting notes to Meeting Archives >>>> >>>> We could move over now if we wanted.. >>>> >>>> The only question I have is where do we want to list the current >>>> meeting? On the homepage like we do now..or in an events portlet on >>>> the right side.. that they can click on for more information... >>> >>> On the homepage, definitely. Someone looking at the site generally >>> wants to see that info more than anything else. >>> >>> I agree that the green is impossible to read. Please fix that. >>> >>> Also, the calendar should have the bayPiggies meeting night marked >>> (can we get an iCal/vCal downloadable meeting event?) And could >>> clicking on it bring a link to the meeting archives? >>> >>> Also, the current announcement on the "old" page has a misspelling: >>> memberes. >>> -- >>> cordially, >>> Anna >>> -- >>> It is fate, but call it Italy if it pleases you, Vicar! >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Baypiggies mailing list >>> Baypiggies at python.org >>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > > > -- > http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ > From annaraven at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 17:12:28 2007 From: annaraven at gmail.com (Anna Ravenscroft) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 08:12:28 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] update the meeting description please? In-Reply-To: <7f534e9a25a093f020d94fc34ff09f57@well.com> References: <20070806230447.4a57e86f@psyche.corp.google.com> <001f01c7d923$6b3c1190$210110ac@Muse> <657a4fcfb283b7176f7901feb30276b5@well.com> <7f534e9a25a093f020d94fc34ff09f57@well.com> Message-ID: Let's fix the unreadable green FIRST! Then, I agree, ship it. If the green isn't fixed, the page is useless. Worse than useless - it gives a *bad* impression (besides violating disability usability and readability principles.) The unreadable green isn't a tiny thing - it totally breaks the page, imho. Please let's fix that first. Then, I agree - as someone suggested - put it up on Friday. -- cordially, Anna -- It is fate, but call it Italy if it pleases you, Vicar! From jjinux at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 18:08:19 2007 From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:08:19 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] update the meeting description please? In-Reply-To: References: <20070806230447.4a57e86f@psyche.corp.google.com> <001f01c7d923$6b3c1190$210110ac@Muse> <657a4fcfb283b7176f7901feb30276b5@well.com> <7f534e9a25a093f020d94fc34ff09f57@well.com> Message-ID: The fastest way to assure it gets fixed is to make it live. If it's live, I know that you won't rest until it does get fixed :-P -jj On 8/8/07, Anna Ravenscroft wrote: > Let's fix the unreadable green FIRST! Then, I agree, ship it. If the > green isn't fixed, the page is useless. Worse than useless - it gives > a *bad* impression (besides violating disability usability and > readability principles.) The unreadable green isn't a tiny thing - it > totally breaks the page, imho. > > Please let's fix that first. Then, I agree - as someone suggested - > put it up on Friday. > > -- > cordially, > Anna > -- > It is fate, but call it Italy if it pleases you, Vicar! > -- http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ From donnamsnow at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 18:53:55 2007 From: donnamsnow at gmail.com (Donna Snow) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 09:53:55 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] update the meeting description please? In-Reply-To: References: <001f01c7d923$6b3c1190$210110ac@Muse> <657a4fcfb283b7176f7901feb30276b5@well.com> <7f534e9a25a093f020d94fc34ff09f57@well.com> Message-ID: OK I was wobbling on that light green anyway.. (so I'll change that because it is way too light....will also change the page titles to a smaller size..it's at 300% 0r 36.25 pixels now! ) this is not "my" design but a Plone skin product I dropped in because I felt it would be a good look & feel for the group.. I'll make adjustments.. .I was thinking about using "events" for meeting announcements... and that usually puts up a "portlet" on the right side..but I can install a calendar product.. and put "event calendar" in the horizontal nav.. AND I'll add the announcement for current meeting on homepage.. the less static the better.. we can add "events" on the home page and have them expire the day after the meeting and have the new meeting show up the day after.. I really think we should shoot for planning two months in advance... I can remove news & events from the top navigation.. can we think of other products we'd like to use.. like blogging, forums, etc..someone had mentioned a "sign-up" product?? I can drop those in... as well.. If you are a former speaker.. or future speaker for that matter.. feel free to login and utilize the file sharing capabilities.. once you are logged in if you click on My Folder and then the "add item" drop down ... experiment with the types of content you can add ... for example.. if you go to your folder (my folder).. and add an "event" from the "add item" drop down..then go to the "state" (next to add item) and click publish it adds the event to the calendar. so all members will have the ability to add to the calendar... I dont' think we should get rid of events.. though the calendar portlet can go away.. or we can add a calendar Plone product.. events allows you to use iCal and vCal to add events to your personal calendar.. I'll hold another Plone session Tuesday the 14th... 7pm.. I'll probably use something like Yugma (so Linux/Mac users can participate) I'll send details in the next couple days.. we do have a couple other people who attended the last session and we have some other Plone type people on the list as well.. I'll clean the skin/theme up.. install a couple products.. and make the requested changes... and we should be good to go.. we'd be fine with cutting over.. except the light green font.. at any point..but let's shoot for Friday... Thanks for all the input.. that's what I was looking for... Donna p.s. Tony.. the css for the site changed.. which is why your reviews look different.. let me know what you want.. and I'll css the changes for you.. On 8/8/07, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > The fastest way to assure it gets fixed is to make it live. If it's > live, I know that you won't rest until it does get fixed :-P > > -jj > > On 8/8/07, Anna Ravenscroft wrote: > > Let's fix the unreadable green FIRST! Then, I agree, ship it. If the > > green isn't fixed, the page is useless. Worse than useless - it gives > > a *bad* impression (besides violating disability usability and > > readability principles.) The unreadable green isn't a tiny thing - it > > totally breaks the page, imho. > > > > Please let's fix that first. Then, I agree - as someone suggested - > > put it up on Friday. > > > > -- > > cordially, > > Anna > > -- > > It is fate, but call it Italy if it pleases you, Vicar! > > > > > -- > http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ > From asheesh at asheesh.org Wed Aug 8 21:58:34 2007 From: asheesh at asheesh.org (Asheesh Laroia) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Baypiggies] Ride-sharing / Caltrain Message-ID: Would anyone be willing to pick me (and another Creative Commons staffer) from the Caltrain station at Mountain View before tomorrow's BayPiggies meeting? That would be super rad. Relatedly, if someone would be willing to ride-share back *to* San Fran, that'd be awesome too. (I hope that my asking on the list isn't too tiresome; if there's some other venue for this, then I could perhaps use that.) Also, if there will be a dinner before the meeting again, then I'd love it if someone could pick me up in time to go to that! -- Asheesh. P.S. Kudos to Donna for the new Ploney website! -- Bite me. * TheOne gets some salt, then proceeds to nibble on KnaraKat a little bit.... From max at theslimmers.net Wed Aug 8 22:34:11 2007 From: max at theslimmers.net (Max Slimmer) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:34:11 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Ride-sharing / Caltrain In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200708082034.l78KYBcO030116@b.mail.sonic.net> I will be driving North after the meeting and dropping someone off in Mission district, so one more would be no problem. max > -----Original Message----- > From: baypiggies-bounces at python.org > [mailto:baypiggies-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Asheesh Laroia > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:59 PM > To: baypiggies at python.org > Subject: [Baypiggies] Ride-sharing / Caltrain > > Would anyone be willing to pick me (and another Creative > Commons staffer) from the Caltrain station at Mountain View > before tomorrow's BayPiggies meeting? That would be super > rad. Relatedly, if someone would be willing to ride-share > back *to* San Fran, that'd be awesome too. > > (I hope that my asking on the list isn't too tiresome; if > there's some other venue for this, then I could perhaps use that.) > > Also, if there will be a dinner before the meeting again, > then I'd love it if someone could pick me up in time to go to that! > > -- Asheesh. > > P.S. Kudos to Donna for the new Ploney website! > > -- > Bite me. > * TheOne gets some salt, then proceeds to nibble on KnaraKat a little > bit.... > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From lhawthorn at google.com Thu Aug 9 03:22:14 2007 From: lhawthorn at google.com (Leslie Hawthorn) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 18:22:14 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] possible to video record the Python talk this week? In-Reply-To: <997a56990708072149q28a2b768kf37066367f038c0a@mail.gmail.com> References: <1186541203.21563.1204283959@webmail.messagingengine.com> <997a56990708072149q28a2b768kf37066367f038c0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4869cee70708081822i7e3be9d4t52a4f22ada561a39@mail.gmail.com> On 8/7/07, Russell Whitaker wrote: > > On 8/7/07, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > > On 8/7/07, john_re wrote: > > > Would it be possible to make a video recording of the talk at the > > > meeting this week? > > > > > > Is there a social infrastructure to get this accomplished easily? > > > Perhaps Google has employees or consultants who video record things? > > > (Perhaps they are the ones who record the SVWebGuild meetings that are > > > held at Google? Maybe it would only take a phone call or email to > > > request this?) > > > > > > Is there someone in BayPiggies who could request & arrange for this > > > meeting to be recorded? > > > > > > I think having the meetings recorded would be a great service to the > > > Python community. > > > > > > Thanks. :) > > > > Many of the meetings are recorded by Googlers. For instance, here's > mine :) > > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1870073927412058193&q=programmer+productivity > > > > There are secret Google agents everywhere, and they've infested this > > mailing list! They might be listening to everything you say! I think > > that by default, they record anything they think is going to be > > considered interesting by other Googlers. > > > > Uh, yeah, that's pretty much correct. I for one volunteered my time to > record this: > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-540262696706523167 > > In answer to "john_re" (john regex?), this service is provided by those > of us who can take time to do the work, which involves preparation, > onsite filming, and (usually) lots of followup. If you can find someone > willing to do so, you're golden. We help when we can. > > By the way, I did a Python tech talk in Ann Arbor last week: > > > http://srtsolutions.com/blogs/diannemarsh/archive/2007/08/06/russell-whitaker-test-driven-development-in-python-a-quick-start-approach-review-recap.aspx > > If I were in town next month - and not moved to New York - I've give the > same talk at BayPIGgies. I'll make sure the next one I do gets put up > on Google Video. I've made arrangements with Google's Engineering Education team to make sure that all Baypiggies meetings are taped, but also that the videos make it externally in a reasonable amount of time (yay!). We also should no longer need volunteers for taping. Cheers, LH -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20070808/edfc4d52/attachment-0001.html From spmcinerney at hotmail.com Thu Aug 9 09:42:12 2007 From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen McInerney) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 00:42:12 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] [Python-tutor] Python-related Bookpool/Addison-Wesley, Prentice-Hall sale Message-ID: [Forwarding this very useful mail from python-tutor list. Tony - do we get any review copies from Addison-Wesley? - Stephen] >From: Kent Johnson >To: Tutor at python.org >Subject: [Tutor] Bookpool sale on Addison Wesley Bookpool is having a sale on all books from Addison-Wesley and Prentice Hall. In my opinion these are two of the best publishers for top-notch computer titles. A few Python books on sale: Core Python Programming $27.25 http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0132269937 Rapid Web Applications with TurboGears $24.50 http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0132433885 Some recommended non-Python books: Design Patterns: Elements of Reusable Object-Oriented Software $32.95 http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0201633612 Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0201485672 Agile Software Development Principles, Patterns, and Practices http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0135974445 Extreme Programming Explained: Embrace Change, 2nd Edition http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0321278658 and all the other books in this series These are just a few personal favorites, there are many more excellent books on sale. Kent _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage?get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 From DennisR at dair.com Thu Aug 9 06:25:06 2007 From: DennisR at dair.com (Dennis Reinhardt) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 21:25:06 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] possible to video record the Python talk this week? In-Reply-To: <4869cee70708081822i7e3be9d4t52a4f22ada561a39@mail.gmail.co m> References: <997a56990708072149q28a2b768kf37066367f038c0a@mail.gmail.com> <1186541203.21563.1204283959@webmail.messagingengine.com> <997a56990708072149q28a2b768kf37066367f038c0a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20070808211717.00c109d8@localhost> At 06:22 PM 8/8/2007, Leslie Hawthorn wrote: >I've made arrangements with Google's Engineering Education team to make >sure that all Baypiggies meetings are taped, but also that the videos make >it externally in a reasonable amount of time (yay!). We also should no >longer need volunteers for taping. Good work. Now all that is needed is for a consistently applied search term to bring up all of the videos. For example, search Google video with the term "Baypiggies" and only 4 videos come up. Some are missing. Search for "Python" and there are over 14,000 results so that is not a good term. How does one go about finding videos of past meetings? I would think precision search would be a Google strength. Dennis --------------------------------- | Dennis | DennisR at dair.com | | Reinhardt | http://www.dair.com | --------------------------------- From max at theslimmers.net Thu Aug 9 16:51:21 2007 From: max at theslimmers.net (Max Slimmer) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 07:51:21 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] possible to video record the Python talk this week? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20070808211717.00c109d8@localhost> Message-ID: <200708091451.l79EpMSd004099@b.mail.sonic.net> Putting a link on our new web site would be ideal for me. max > -----Original Message----- > From: baypiggies-bounces at python.org > [mailto:baypiggies-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Reinhardt > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:25 PM > To: baypiggies at python.org > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] possible to video record the Python > talk this week? > > At 06:22 PM 8/8/2007, Leslie Hawthorn wrote: > >I've made arrangements with Google's Engineering Education team to > >make sure that all Baypiggies meetings are taped, but also that the > >videos make it externally in a reasonable amount of time (yay!). We > >also should no longer need volunteers for taping. > > Good work. Now all that is needed is for a consistently > applied search term to bring up all of the videos. For > example, search Google video with the term "Baypiggies" and > only 4 videos come up. Some are missing. > > Search for "Python" and there are over 14,000 results so that > is not a good term. > > How does one go about finding videos of past meetings? > > I would think precision search would be a Google strength. > > Dennis > --------------------------------- > | Dennis | DennisR at dair.com | > | Reinhardt | http://www.dair.com | > --------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From donnamsnow at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 19:44:05 2007 From: donnamsnow at gmail.com (Donna Snow) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 10:44:05 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] possible to video record the Python talk this week? In-Reply-To: <200708091451.l79EpMSd004099@b.mail.sonic.net> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20070808211717.00c109d8@localhost> <200708091451.l79EpMSd004099@b.mail.sonic.net> Message-ID: We can actually embed the videos in something like... ATGoogleVideo or Plone4Artists (a couple media packages for Plone) (but we can most definitely put a link on the homepage.... Donna On 8/9/07, Max Slimmer wrote: > Putting a link on our new web site would be ideal for me. > > max > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: baypiggies-bounces at python.org > > [mailto:baypiggies-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Reinhardt > > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:25 PM > > To: baypiggies at python.org > > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] possible to video record the Python > > talk this week? > > > > At 06:22 PM 8/8/2007, Leslie Hawthorn wrote: > > >I've made arrangements with Google's Engineering Education team to > > >make sure that all Baypiggies meetings are taped, but also that the > > >videos make it externally in a reasonable amount of time (yay!). We > > >also should no longer need volunteers for taping. > > > > Good work. Now all that is needed is for a consistently > > applied search term to bring up all of the videos. For > > example, search Google video with the term "Baypiggies" and > > only 4 videos come up. Some are missing. > > > > Search for "Python" and there are over 14,000 results so that > > is not a good term. > > > > How does one go about finding videos of past meetings? > > > > I would think precision search would be a Google strength. > > > > Dennis > > --------------------------------- > > | Dennis | DennisR at dair.com | > > | Reinhardt | http://www.dair.com | > > --------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From mikeyp at snaplogic.org Tue Aug 14 02:19:32 2007 From: mikeyp at snaplogic.org (Michael Pittaro) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:19:32 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCon 2007 presentations are available online Message-ID: <46C0F514.9030506@snaplogic.org> For anyone who missed OSCon, O'Reilly have posted many of the conference presentations online at: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/pub/w/58/presentations.html Lots of goodies, including many of the Python related sessions. -- mikeyp at snaplogic.org http://www.snaplogic.org From donnamsnow at gmail.com Tue Aug 14 07:33:48 2007 From: donnamsnow at gmail.com (Donna Snow) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 22:33:48 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] [ANN] Plone meeting/training 08/14/07 at 7pm - please RSVP Message-ID: I'm trying Yugma this time (allows for linux and mac..) I can only fit 10 people (which I doubt we'll go over) ... Please RSVP so I can send you an official invite. Please join my meeting at https://www.yugma.com/app/loading.php?user=&collsession=122651142&role=4 Meeting Place: https://www.yugma.com Meeting ID: 122-651-142 Meeting Date: 14-August-2007 Meeting Time: 07:00 pm (GMT-08:00) Pacific Time (US & Canada); Tijuana Duration: 2 Hours 0 Minutes Telephone Conference Bridge Number: +1-218-486-3889 Access Code: 122-651-142 Meeting Description: Training for managing the Plone based Baypiggies.net site Donna M. Snow From guido at python.org Tue Aug 14 18:36:45 2007 From: guido at python.org (Guido van Rossum) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:36:45 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Python 3000 Sprint @ Google In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's official! The second annual Python Sprint @ Google is happening again: August 22-25 (Wed-Sat). We're sprinting at two locations, this time Google headquarters in Mountain View and the Google office in Chicago (thanks to Brian Fitzpatrick). We'll connect the two sprints with full-screen videoconferencing. The event is *free* and includes Google's *free gourmet food*. Anyone with a reasonable Python experience is invited to attend. The primary goal is to work on Python 3000, to polish off the first alpha release; other ideas are welcome too. Experienced Python core developers will be available for mentoring. (The goal is not to learn Python; it is to learn *contributing* to Python.) For more information and to sign up, please see the wiki page on python.org: http://wiki.python.org/moin/GoogleSprint Sign-up via the wiki page is strongly recommended to avoid lines getting badges. Please read the whole wiki page to make sure you're prepared. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From keith at dartworks.biz Tue Aug 14 23:02:21 2007 From: keith at dartworks.biz (Keith Dart =?UTF-8?B?4pmC?=) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:02:21 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Python 3000 Sprint @ Google In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070814140221.4c6e1c2b@psyche.corp.google.com> Guido van Rossum wrote the following on 2007-08-14 at 09:36 PDT: === > Anyone with a reasonable Python experience is invited to attend. The > primary goal is to work on Python 3000, to polish off the first alpha > release; other ideas are welcome too. Experienced Python core > developers will be available for mentoring. (The goal is not to learn > Python; it is to learn *contributing* to Python.) === Does the sprint involve developing Python _itself_ only (core interpreter), or does it also include the standard libraries? -- -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Keith Dart public key: ID: 19017044 ===================================================================== From guido at python.org Tue Aug 14 23:16:20 2007 From: guido at python.org (Guido van Rossum) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:16:20 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Python 3000 Sprint @ Google In-Reply-To: <20070814140221.4c6e1c2b@psyche.corp.google.com> References: <20070814140221.4c6e1c2b@psyche.corp.google.com> Message-ID: On 8/14/07, Keith Dart ? wrote: > Guido van Rossum wrote the following on 2007-08-14 at 09:36 PDT: > === > > Anyone with a reasonable Python experience is invited to attend. The > > primary goal is to work on Python 3000, to polish off the first alpha > > release; other ideas are welcome too. Experienced Python core > > developers will be available for mentoring. (The goal is not to learn > > Python; it is to learn *contributing* to Python.) > > === > > Does the sprint involve developing Python _itself_ only (core > interpreter), or does it also include the standard libraries? There's quite a bit of standard library work. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From donnamsnow at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 04:21:02 2007 From: donnamsnow at gmail.com (Donna Snow) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:21:02 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] tonights online Plone session Message-ID: Hi, Been sitting in the "meeting room" for a bit for the training..nobody showing up :-) I've been having problems with network connection.. so a little worried I'll keep dropping (Comcast had issues today).. So let's reschedule this.. for either Thursday this week... or Tuesday next... Let me know which works.. and I can start later for those who work.. Tony.. you and I can schedule a session that works for you... let me know. I've also done about 6 hours of online training today.. so I need a break.. if someone had shown around 7ish... I probably woulda stayed.. :-) We'll try this again... Donna Snow From keith at dartworks.biz Wed Aug 15 04:31:01 2007 From: keith at dartworks.biz (Keith Dart =?UTF-8?B?4pmC?=) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 19:31:01 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] tonights online Plone session In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070814193101.0cbc4219@psyche.corp.google.com> Donna Snow wrote the following on 2007-08-14 at 19:21 PDT: === > I've also done about 6 hours of online training today.. so I need a > break.. if someone had shown around 7ish... I probably woulda stayed.. > :-) === Sorry... Perhaps you can just put up a web page with some basic information about it? ;-) -- -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Keith Dart public key: ID: 19017044 ===================================================================== From bdbaddog at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 23:11:04 2007 From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 14:11:04 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] New plone site up? Message-ID: <8540148a0708151411u620c1540pc679a549f34399e3@mail.gmail.com> Greetings, Just checked the baypiggies.net homepage, is that the new plone one? -Bill From tpc247 at gmail.com Thu Aug 16 07:29:10 2007 From: tpc247 at gmail.com (tpc247 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:29:10 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] tonights online Plone session In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/14/07, Donna Snow wrote: > > Hi, > > Been sitting in the "meeting room" for a bit for the training..nobody > showing up :-) > > I've been having problems with network connection.. so a little > worried I'll keep dropping (Comcast had issues today).. > > So let's reschedule this.. for either Thursday this week... or Tuesday > next... > > Let me know which works.. and I can start later for those who work.. > > Tony.. you and I can schedule a session that works for you... let me know. > > I've also done about 6 hours of online training today.. so I need a > break.. if someone had shown around 7ish... I probably woulda stayed.. > :-) > > We'll try this again... > > Donna Snow > _______________________________________________ hi Donna, I'm sorry, I just now found out about training tonight and I was kicking myself for missing it. I can make either rescheduled time. Thanks again. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20070815/9ce0c14e/attachment.htm From spmcinerney at hotmail.com Sun Aug 19 21:23:58 2007 From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen McInerney) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:23:58 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] BarCampBlock anti-conference, Palo Alto, today Message-ID: This is a pretty good anti-conference, language-neutral. Good mix of people and free drinks - Stephen http://barcamp.org/BarCampBlock # August 19th - 10:00 AM - 4:00 PM. # Where: 655 High Street (and surrounding blocks), Palo Alto, California Schedule: http://barcamp.org/BarCampBlockSchedule Make a proposal for a session: http://barcamp.org/BarCampBlockSessions _________________________________________________________________ Now you can see trouble?before he arrives http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_protection_0507 From john_re at fastmail.us Mon Aug 20 08:55:39 2007 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:55:39 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] www.freekenneth.com Please help. Thanks. Urgent. Message-ID: <1187592939.14865.1206228937@webmail.messagingengine.com> Will you please read the following, and then: "Urge Governor Perry, Members of the Board of Pardons and Paroles and Members of the TexasLegislature to Agree to Stop the Execution of Kenneth Foster, Jr scheduled for August 30, 2007." And also forward this message on to everyone you think might help. (The first url below has a form where you can send that message.) I believe this impending action is evil, and hope that you and other members of the GNU/Linux/Python community will join me in requesting the above. Thank you. John Arthur Regan, Jr ======================================================================== Form where you can send the message: http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizationsORG/tmn/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=12310&t=kenneth.dwt On August 30, 2007, Texas, the state that executes more people than any in the country, plans to deliver a lethal injection to Kenneth Foster, Jr. While this may seem like nothing out of the ordinary for a state that will perform its 400th execution this summer, Kenneth?s case is unique. He killed no one. The state of Texas will be the first to admit this. It seems unthinkable that a man who did not even touch the gun that ended the life of Michael LaHood, Jr. on August 14, 1996 in San Antonio, Texas would be sent to his death for such a crime. What makes this possible is the Law of Parties. Only four states across the country have laws that enable prosecutors to hold those merely present at the scene of a crime legally responsible. Texas is the only state that applies this statute in capital cases, making it the only place in the United States where a person can be factually innocent of murder and still face the death penalty. http://www.freekenneth.com/lawofparties.htm ===== http://stopexecutions.blogspot.com/2007/07/statesman-says-stop-kenneth-foster.html Backward Texas law may make man pay with life for deed he didn't do Saturday, July 28, 2007 Kenneth Foster didn't commit murder. But that won't stop the State of Texas from executing the Austin native Aug. 30. ====== http://www.freekenneth.com/kennethscase.htm Kenneth's Case Kenneth Foster and his supporters wish to first express their deepest sympathy to the LaHood family and friends for their loss. Kenneth does not take the death of a fellow human being lightly. He regrets this tragedy every day. Kenneth Foster is a twenty-six year old, African-American, living on death row in Texas. Each day he lives in hope that the safeguards in the judicial system will remedy the tragedy of his imminent death at the hands of the State of Texas for a crime he did not commit. Kenneth had no part in the death of Mr. LaHood. ...these are not crimes for which he should give his life. He took no part in the death of Mr. LaHood. He did not anticipate that Mr.LaHood would be in any danger when he waited for Mr.Brown. ===== Thank you for reading this far. Now, please read the above url's, then go to http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizationsORG/tmn/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=12310&t=kenneth.dwt and send a message. And also please forward this message on to everyone you think might help. I believe this impending action is evil, and hope that you and other members of the GNU/Linux/Python community will join me in requesting the above. Thank you. John -- john_re at fastmail.us -- http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail From rdm at cfcl.com Mon Aug 20 17:15:21 2007 From: rdm at cfcl.com (Rich Morin) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 08:15:21 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] BASS Meeting (SF), Wed. August 22 Message-ID: The Beer and Scripting SIG rides again! If you'd like to eat good Italian food, chat with other local scripters, and possibly take a look at laptop-demoed scripting hacks, this is the place to do it! For your convenience, here are the critical details: Date: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 (4th. Wed.) Time: 8:00 pm Place: Pasquales Pizzeria 701 Irving St. (At 8th. Ave.) San Francisco, California, USA 415/661-2140 See the BASS web page for more information: http://cfcl.com/rdm/bass/ -r -- http://www.cfcl.com/rdm Rich Morin http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/resume rdm at cfcl.com http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/weblog +1 650-873-7841 Technical editing and writing, programming, and web development From warren at muse.com Mon Aug 20 18:37:31 2007 From: warren at muse.com (Warren Stringer) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:37:31 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] BarCampBlock anti-conference, Palo Alto, today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000d01c7e348$678a5d20$4201a8c0@Muse> Hey Stephen, Thanks for posting this ... wish I knew about it earlier. The iPhoneDevCamp was really cool. \~/ > -----Original Message----- > From: baypiggies-bounces at python.org [mailto:baypiggies-bounces at python.org] > On Behalf Of Stephen McInerney > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 12:24 PM > To: baypiggies at python.org > Subject: [Baypiggies] BarCampBlock anti-conference, Palo Alto, today > > This is a pretty good anti-conference, language-neutral. > Good mix of people and free drinks - Stephen > > http://barcamp.org/BarCampBlock > > # August 19th - 10:00 AM - 4:00 PM. > # Where: 655 High Street (and surrounding blocks), Palo Alto, California > > Schedule: http://barcamp.org/BarCampBlockSchedule > > Make a proposal for a session: http://barcamp.org/BarCampBlockSessions > > _________________________________________________________________ > Now you can see troublebefore he arrives > http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_protection_05 > 07 From john_re at fastmail.us Tue Aug 21 09:10:36 2007 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 00:10:36 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] www.freekenneth.com Please help. Thanks. Urgent. In-Reply-To: <8d0785d00708201015l2db124a6g45ffbf28775038e4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1187592939.14865.1206228937@webmail.messagingengine.com> <8d0785d00708201015l2db124a6g45ffbf28775038e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1187680236.3816.1206431937@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:15:52 -0700, "Russell Whitaker" said: > On 8/19/07, john_re wrote: > > Will you please read the following, and then: > > > [SNIP] > > Why are you spamming the Python list this irrelevant post? > > -- > Russell Whitaker > http://www.survivalarts.com/ My post will seem irrelevant to entities who fail to, or do not, appreciate &/or value the moral values & nature of free software, freedom software, GNU software. To entities who appreciate that aspect, my post is naturally relevant along the lines of moral concerns relevant to that community. A life unjustly taken (moreover a system that continues to unjustly take lives) is definitely worth notifiying a community through a community communication channel, giving them an easy opportunity to do some major good in the world (by filling out a form to send a message). [Call it debugging a bug in a social system in our world.] http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizationsORG/tmn/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=12310&t=kenneth.dwt I do not consider my post spam. I do consider my post relevant. And, even if every person in the universe other than me considers it spam, I'm ok with that. ===== http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_%28electronic%29 * Spam (electronic), unsolicited or undesired bulk electronic messages. There are many types of electronic spam, including * E-mail spam, unsolicited e-mail. * Forum spam, posting advertisements or useless posts on a forum. * Spamdexing, manipulating a search engine to create the illusion of popularity for webpages. * Spam in blogs, posting random comments or promoting commercial services to blogs, wikis, guestbooks. * Newsgroup spam, advertisement and forgery on newsgroups. Note: "unsolicited or undesired" ===== http://baypiggies.net/ We are the Silicon Valley-San Francisco Bay Area Python Interest Group. No membership is required, and beginners are welcome! Note: "Python Interest", ie "Interest in Python " Mailing List Please click here to sign up, or to edit your subscription. Note: Email solicited, desired. ===== http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies This is the mailing list for the SF Bay Area Python Interest Group, aka BayPIGgies. Note: For the group - not just for the pleasure of morally unconcerned members of the group. ===== http://python.org/about/ Python is friendly... and easy to learn The Python newsgroup is known as one of the friendliest around. Note: Friendly newsgroup. Moreover, "is known as one of the friendliest around." Sounds like my kind of people. ===== Summary: Friendly people interested in a freer than freedom sw (gpl) project (Python is open source type licensed), & soliciting community oriented email. Ergo: Not spam. ===== Friendly Python People: Here's a way for you to do something else good for the world today: Here's where you can learn "Why relief should be granted": http://www.freekenneth.com/kennethscase.htm Best wishes. ===== Russel: How many millenia (or googolplexes of years) do you think Google will archive our discussion about items of concern to menmbers of the Python community (If none other than the concerns of just members you & I.)? Also: (Is there a smiley for that look I sometimes get, kind of a puzzled, contemplative, pondering wondering bemused "looking at the infinte" look???) Finally: What does Milton Sirotta have to do with this: http://www.python.org/~guido/ ? -- john_re at fastmail.us -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own From timjohnson at google.com Tue Aug 21 10:02:15 2007 From: timjohnson at google.com (Tim Johnson) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 01:02:15 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] www.freekenneth.com Please help. Thanks. Urgent. In-Reply-To: <1187680236.3816.1206431937@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1187592939.14865.1206228937@webmail.messagingengine.com> <8d0785d00708201015l2db124a6g45ffbf28775038e4@mail.gmail.com> <1187680236.3816.1206431937@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: Are you somehow under the impression that someone, indeeed anyone, has solicited or desires your email? Let me assure you right now that whatever whim it was that lead you to think so was erroneous unless your friend is scheduled to be killed by Python. On 21/08/07, john_re wrote: > > On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:15:52 -0700, "Russell Whitaker" > < russell.whitaker at gmail.com> said: > > On 8/19/07, john_re wrote: > > > Will you please read the following, and then: > > > > > [SNIP] > > > > Why are you spamming the Python list this irrelevant post? > > > > -- > > Russell Whitaker > > http://www.survivalarts.com/ > > My post will seem irrelevant to entities who fail to, or do not, > appreciate &/or value the moral values & nature of free software, > freedom software, GNU software. > > To entities who appreciate that aspect, my post is naturally relevant > along the lines of moral concerns relevant to that community. > > A life unjustly taken (moreover a system that continues to unjustly take > lives) is definitely worth notifiying a community through a community > communication channel, giving them an easy opportunity to do some major > good in the world (by filling out a form to send a message). [Call it > debugging a bug in a social system in our world.] > > http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizationsORG/tmn/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=12310&t=kenneth.dwt > > I do not consider my post spam. I do consider my post relevant. And, > even if every person in the universe other than me considers it spam, > I'm ok with that. > > ===== > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_%28electronic%29 > > * Spam (electronic), unsolicited or undesired bulk electronic > messages. There are many types of electronic spam, including > > * E-mail spam, unsolicited e-mail. > * Forum spam, posting advertisements or useless posts on a > forum. > * Spamdexing, manipulating a search engine to create the > illusion of popularity for webpages. > * Spam in blogs, posting random comments or promoting commercial > services to blogs, wikis, guestbooks. > * Newsgroup spam, advertisement and forgery on newsgroups. > > Note: "unsolicited or undesired" > > ===== > http://baypiggies.net/ > > We are the Silicon Valley-San Francisco Bay Area Python Interest Group. > No membership is required, and beginners are welcome! > > Note: "Python Interest", ie "Interest in Python " > > Mailing List > > Please click here to sign up, or to edit your subscription. > > Note: Email solicited, desired. > > ===== > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > This is the mailing list for the SF Bay Area Python Interest Group, aka > BayPIGgies. > > Note: For the group - not just for the pleasure of morally unconcerned > members of the group. > > ===== > http://python.org/about/ > > Python is friendly... and easy to learn > > The Python newsgroup is known as one of the friendliest around. > > Note: Friendly newsgroup. Moreover, "is known as one of the friendliest > around." Sounds like my kind of people. > > ===== > Summary: Friendly people interested in a freer than freedom sw (gpl) > project (Python is open source type licensed), & soliciting community > oriented email. Ergo: Not spam. > > ===== > Friendly Python People: Here's a way for you to do something else good > for the world today: > > Here's where you can learn "Why relief should be granted": > http://www.freekenneth.com/kennethscase.htm > > Best wishes. > > ===== > Russel: How many millenia (or googolplexes of years) do you think Google > will archive our discussion about items of concern to menmbers of the > Python community (If none other than the concerns of just members you & > I.)? > > Also: (Is there a smiley for that look I sometimes get, kind of a > puzzled, contemplative, pondering wondering bemused "looking at the > infinte" look???) > > Finally: What does Milton Sirotta have to do with this: > http://www.python.org/~guido/ ? > -- > > john_re at fastmail.us > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Tim Johnson Windows Sys Admin Goooooooooogle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20070821/3cb514b4/attachment-0001.htm From bgutierrez at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 16:22:36 2007 From: bgutierrez at gmail.com (Ben Gutierrez) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 07:22:36 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] www.freekenneth.com Please help. Thanks. Urgent. In-Reply-To: References: <1187592939.14865.1206228937@webmail.messagingengine.com> <8d0785d00708201015l2db124a6g45ffbf28775038e4@mail.gmail.com> <1187680236.3816.1206431937@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <49f20c660708210722sbb03bd6y2697abd1114da3e7@mail.gmail.com> Here's another vote for keeping this list on topic. I subscribe to this list because I'm interested in Python. When it stops being about Python, I'll unsubscribe. I can get the rest at slashdot, reddit, nytimes, etc. Ben On 8/21/07, Tim Johnson wrote: > Are you somehow under the impression that someone, indeeed anyone, has > solicited or desires your email? > > Let me assure you right now that whatever whim it was that lead you to think > so was erroneous unless your friend is scheduled to be killed by Python. > > > > On 21/08/07, john_re wrote: > > On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:15:52 -0700, "Russell Whitaker" > > < russell.whitaker at gmail.com> said: > > > On 8/19/07, john_re wrote: > > > > Will you please read the following, and then: > > > > > > > [SNIP] > > > > > > Why are you spamming the Python list this irrelevant post? > > > > > > -- > > > Russell Whitaker > > > http://www.survivalarts.com/ > > > > My post will seem irrelevant to entities who fail to, or do not, > > appreciate &/or value the moral values & nature of free software, > > freedom software, GNU software. > > > > To entities who appreciate that aspect, my post is naturally relevant > > along the lines of moral concerns relevant to that community. > > > > A life unjustly taken (moreover a system that continues to unjustly take > > lives) is definitely worth notifiying a community through a community > > communication channel, giving them an easy opportunity to do some major > > good in the world (by filling out a form to send a message). [Call it > > debugging a bug in a social system in our world.] > > > http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizationsORG/tmn/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=12310&t=kenneth.dwt > > > > I do not consider my post spam. I do consider my post relevant. And, > > even if every person in the universe other than me considers it spam, > > I'm ok with that. > > > > ===== > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_%28electronic%29 > > > > * Spam (electronic), unsolicited or undesired bulk electronic > > messages. There are many types of electronic spam, including > > > > * E-mail spam, unsolicited e-mail. > > * Forum spam, posting advertisements or useless posts on a > > forum. > > * Spamdexing, manipulating a search engine to create the > > illusion of popularity for webpages. > > * Spam in blogs, posting random comments or promoting commercial > > services to blogs, wikis, guestbooks. > > * Newsgroup spam, advertisement and forgery on newsgroups. > > > > Note: "unsolicited or undesired" > > > > ===== > > http://baypiggies.net/ > > > > We are the Silicon Valley-San Francisco Bay Area Python Interest Group. > > No membership is required, and beginners are welcome! > > > > Note: "Python Interest", ie "Interest in Python " > > > > Mailing List > > > > Please click here to sign up, or to edit your subscription. > > > > Note: Email solicited, desired. > > > > ===== > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > This is the mailing list for the SF Bay Area Python Interest Group, aka > > BayPIGgies. > > > > Note: For the group - not just for the pleasure of morally unconcerned > > members of the group. > > > > ===== > > http://python.org/about/ > > > > Python is friendly... and easy to learn > > > > The Python newsgroup is known as one of the friendliest around. > > > > Note: Friendly newsgroup. Moreover, "is known as one of the friendliest > > around." Sounds like my kind of people. > > > > ===== > > Summary: Friendly people interested in a freer than freedom sw (gpl) > > project (Python is open source type licensed), & soliciting community > > oriented email. Ergo: Not spam. > > > > ===== > > Friendly Python People: Here's a way for you to do something else good > > for the world today: > > > > Here's where you can learn "Why relief should be granted": > > http://www.freekenneth.com/kennethscase.htm > > > > Best wishes. > > > > ===== > > Russel: How many millenia (or googolplexes of years) do you think Google > > will archive our discussion about items of concern to menmbers of the > > Python community (If none other than the concerns of just members you & > > I.)? > > > > Also: (Is there a smiley for that look I sometimes get, kind of a > > puzzled, contemplative, pondering wondering bemused "looking at the > > infinte" look???) > > > > Finally: What does Milton Sirotta have to do with this: > > http://www.python.org/~guido/ ? > > -- > > > > john_re at fastmail.us > > > > -- > > http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > > > -- > Tim Johnson > Windows Sys Admin > Goooooooooogle > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From annaraven at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 18:43:29 2007 From: annaraven at gmail.com (Anna Ravenscroft) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 09:43:29 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] www.freekenneth.com Please help. Thanks. Urgent. In-Reply-To: <1187680236.3816.1206431937@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1187592939.14865.1206228937@webmail.messagingengine.com> <8d0785d00708201015l2db124a6g45ffbf28775038e4@mail.gmail.com> <1187680236.3816.1206431937@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: On 8/21/07, john_re wrote: > On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:15:52 -0700, "Russell Whitaker" > said: > > On 8/19/07, john_re wrote: > > > Will you please read the following, and then: > > > > > [SNIP] > > > > Why are you spamming the Python list this irrelevant post? > > > > -- > > Russell Whitaker > > http://www.survivalarts.com/ > > My post will seem irrelevant to entities who fail to, or do not, > appreciate &/or value the moral values & nature of free software, > freedom software, GNU software. > > To entities who appreciate that aspect, my post is naturally relevant > along the lines of moral concerns relevant to that community. And why are you assuming that those of us who *DO* appreciate freedom aren't already apprised of the situation via other mailing lists, websites, forums, ... You are doing your cause a disservice by ignoring the rules of this list and by insulting its members (directly, by accusing them of "morally unconcerned" and indirectly, by assuming they don't already know about this situation via *relevant* or mailing lists.) I suggest that you reconsider your stance and avoid posting messages to this group that are not Python-related. If you are incapable of seeing the difference between "Python-related" and "my pet crusade", I suspect that you will soon find yourself banned from the mailing list. Anna Martelli Ravenscroft From dcramer at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 19:42:47 2007 From: dcramer at gmail.com (David Cramer) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:42:47 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] www.freekenneth.com Please help. Thanks. Urgent. In-Reply-To: References: <1187592939.14865.1206228937@webmail.messagingengine.com> <8d0785d00708201015l2db124a6g45ffbf28775038e4@mail.gmail.com> <1187680236.3816.1206431937@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: I agree, no freesomeguy.com mesages please. Stick to the topic. On 8/21/07, Anna Ravenscroft wrote: > > On 8/21/07, john_re wrote: > > On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:15:52 -0700, "Russell Whitaker" > > said: > > > On 8/19/07, john_re wrote: > > > > Will you please read the following, and then: > > > > > > > [SNIP] > > > > > > Why are you spamming the Python list this irrelevant post? > > > > > > -- > > > Russell Whitaker > > > http://www.survivalarts.com/ > > > > My post will seem irrelevant to entities who fail to, or do not, > > appreciate &/or value the moral values & nature of free software, > > freedom software, GNU software. > > > > To entities who appreciate that aspect, my post is naturally relevant > > along the lines of moral concerns relevant to that community. > > And why are you assuming that those of us who *DO* appreciate freedom > aren't already apprised of the situation via other mailing lists, > websites, forums, ... You are doing your cause a disservice by > ignoring the rules of this list and by insulting its members > (directly, by accusing them of "morally unconcerned" and indirectly, > by assuming they don't already know about this situation via > *relevant* or mailing lists.) > > I suggest that you reconsider your stance and avoid posting messages > to this group that are not Python-related. If you are incapable of > seeing the difference between "Python-related" and "my pet crusade", I > suspect that you will soon find yourself banned from the mailing list. > > Anna Martelli Ravenscroft > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- David Cramer Lead Developer Curse, Inc. http://www.curse.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20070821/2175160f/attachment.htm From jsnitow at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 19:43:09 2007 From: jsnitow at gmail.com (Julian Snitow) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 10:43:09 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] www.freekenneth.com Please help. Thanks. Urgent. In-Reply-To: References: <1187592939.14865.1206228937@webmail.messagingengine.com> <8d0785d00708201015l2db124a6g45ffbf28775038e4@mail.gmail.com> <1187680236.3816.1206431937@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <54075e090708211043n6e36fb5emd12553abb2c17d93@mail.gmail.com> Yeah! You shouldn't post off-topic unless it's a matter of life and death! ;-) On 8/21/07, Tim Johnson wrote: > Are you somehow under the impression that someone, indeeed anyone, has > solicited or desires your email? > > Let me assure you right now that whatever whim it was that lead you to think > so was erroneous unless your friend is scheduled to be killed by Python. > > > > On 21/08/07, john_re wrote: > > On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:15:52 -0700, "Russell Whitaker" > > < russell.whitaker at gmail.com> said: > > > On 8/19/07, john_re wrote: > > > > Will you please read the following, and then: > > > > > > > [SNIP] > > > > > > Why are you spamming the Python list this irrelevant post? > > > > > > -- > > > Russell Whitaker > > > http://www.survivalarts.com/ > > > > My post will seem irrelevant to entities who fail to, or do not, > > appreciate &/or value the moral values & nature of free software, > > freedom software, GNU software. > > > > To entities who appreciate that aspect, my post is naturally relevant > > along the lines of moral concerns relevant to that community. > > > > A life unjustly taken (moreover a system that continues to unjustly take > > lives) is definitely worth notifiying a community through a community > > communication channel, giving them an easy opportunity to do some major > > good in the world (by filling out a form to send a message). [Call it > > debugging a bug in a social system in our world.] > > > http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizationsORG/tmn/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=12310&t=kenneth.dwt > > > > I do not consider my post spam. I do consider my post relevant. And, > > even if every person in the universe other than me considers it spam, > > I'm ok with that. > > > > ===== > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_%28electronic%29 > > > > * Spam (electronic), unsolicited or undesired bulk electronic > > messages. There are many types of electronic spam, including > > > > * E-mail spam, unsolicited e-mail. > > * Forum spam, posting advertisements or useless posts on a > > forum. > > * Spamdexing, manipulating a search engine to create the > > illusion of popularity for webpages. > > * Spam in blogs, posting random comments or promoting commercial > > services to blogs, wikis, guestbooks. > > * Newsgroup spam, advertisement and forgery on newsgroups. > > > > Note: "unsolicited or undesired" > > > > ===== > > http://baypiggies.net/ > > > > We are the Silicon Valley-San Francisco Bay Area Python Interest Group. > > No membership is required, and beginners are welcome! > > > > Note: "Python Interest", ie "Interest in Python " > > > > Mailing List > > > > Please click here to sign up, or to edit your subscription. > > > > Note: Email solicited, desired. > > > > ===== > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > This is the mailing list for the SF Bay Area Python Interest Group, aka > > BayPIGgies. > > > > Note: For the group - not just for the pleasure of morally unconcerned > > members of the group. > > > > ===== > > http://python.org/about/ > > > > Python is friendly... and easy to learn > > > > The Python newsgroup is known as one of the friendliest around. > > > > Note: Friendly newsgroup. Moreover, "is known as one of the friendliest > > around." Sounds like my kind of people. > > > > ===== > > Summary: Friendly people interested in a freer than freedom sw (gpl) > > project (Python is open source type licensed), & soliciting community > > oriented email. Ergo: Not spam. > > > > ===== > > Friendly Python People: Here's a way for you to do something else good > > for the world today: > > > > Here's where you can learn "Why relief should be granted": > > http://www.freekenneth.com/kennethscase.htm > > > > Best wishes. > > > > ===== > > Russel: How many millenia (or googolplexes of years) do you think Google > > will archive our discussion about items of concern to menmbers of the > > Python community (If none other than the concerns of just members you & > > I.)? > > > > Also: (Is there a smiley for that look I sometimes get, kind of a > > puzzled, contemplative, pondering wondering bemused "looking at the > > infinte" look???) > > > > Finally: What does Milton Sirotta have to do with this: > > http://www.python.org/~guido/ ? > > -- > > > > john_re at fastmail.us > > > > -- > > http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > > > -- > Tim Johnson > Windows Sys Admin > Goooooooooogle > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From russell.whitaker at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 20:55:12 2007 From: russell.whitaker at gmail.com (Russell Whitaker) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:55:12 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] www.freekenneth.com Please help. Thanks. Urgent. In-Reply-To: <54075e090708211043n6e36fb5emd12553abb2c17d93@mail.gmail.com> References: <1187592939.14865.1206228937@webmail.messagingengine.com> <8d0785d00708201015l2db124a6g45ffbf28775038e4@mail.gmail.com> <1187680236.3816.1206431937@webmail.messagingengine.com> <54075e090708211043n6e36fb5emd12553abb2c17d93@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8d0785d00708211155h467177ecx525870d144e81e4b@mail.gmail.com> On 8/21/07, Julian Snitow wrote: > Yeah! You shouldn't post off-topic unless it's a matter of life and death! ;-) > If and only if the poster _himself_ is being enveloped by a Python. R > On 8/21/07, Tim Johnson wrote: > > Are you somehow under the impression that someone, indeeed anyone, has > > solicited or desires your email? > > > > Let me assure you right now that whatever whim it was that lead you to think > > so was erroneous unless your friend is scheduled to be killed by Python. > > > > > > > > On 21/08/07, john_re wrote: > > > On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:15:52 -0700, "Russell Whitaker" > > > < russell.whitaker at gmail.com> said: > > > > On 8/19/07, john_re wrote: > > > > > Will you please read the following, and then: > > > > > > > > > [SNIP] > > > > > > > > Why are you spamming the Python list this irrelevant post? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Russell Whitaker > > > > http://www.survivalarts.com/ > > > > > > My post will seem irrelevant to entities who fail to, or do not, > > > appreciate &/or value the moral values & nature of free software, > > > freedom software, GNU software. > > > > > > To entities who appreciate that aspect, my post is naturally relevant > > > along the lines of moral concerns relevant to that community. > > > > > > A life unjustly taken (moreover a system that continues to unjustly take > > > lives) is definitely worth notifiying a community through a community > > > communication channel, giving them an easy opportunity to do some major > > > good in the world (by filling out a form to send a message). [Call it > > > debugging a bug in a social system in our world.] > > > > > http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizationsORG/tmn/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=12310&t=kenneth.dwt > > > > > > I do not consider my post spam. I do consider my post relevant. And, > > > even if every person in the universe other than me considers it spam, > > > I'm ok with that. > > > > > > ===== > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_%28electronic%29 > > > > > > * Spam (electronic), unsolicited or undesired bulk electronic > > > messages. There are many types of electronic spam, including > > > > > > * E-mail spam, unsolicited e-mail. > > > * Forum spam, posting advertisements or useless posts on a > > > forum. > > > * Spamdexing, manipulating a search engine to create the > > > illusion of popularity for webpages. > > > * Spam in blogs, posting random comments or promoting commercial > > > services to blogs, wikis, guestbooks. > > > * Newsgroup spam, advertisement and forgery on newsgroups. > > > > > > Note: "unsolicited or undesired" > > > > > > ===== > > > http://baypiggies.net/ > > > > > > We are the Silicon Valley-San Francisco Bay Area Python Interest Group. > > > No membership is required, and beginners are welcome! > > > > > > Note: "Python Interest", ie "Interest in Python " > > > > > > Mailing List > > > > > > Please click here to sign up, or to edit your subscription. > > > > > > Note: Email solicited, desired. > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > > > This is the mailing list for the SF Bay Area Python Interest Group, aka > > > BayPIGgies. > > > > > > Note: For the group - not just for the pleasure of morally unconcerned > > > members of the group. > > > > > > ===== > > > http://python.org/about/ > > > > > > Python is friendly... and easy to learn > > > > > > The Python newsgroup is known as one of the friendliest around. > > > > > > Note: Friendly newsgroup. Moreover, "is known as one of the friendliest > > > around." Sounds like my kind of people. > > > > > > ===== > > > Summary: Friendly people interested in a freer than freedom sw (gpl) > > > project (Python is open source type licensed), & soliciting community > > > oriented email. Ergo: Not spam. > > > > > > ===== > > > Friendly Python People: Here's a way for you to do something else good > > > for the world today: > > > > > > Here's where you can learn "Why relief should be granted": > > > http://www.freekenneth.com/kennethscase.htm > > > > > > Best wishes. > > > > > > ===== > > > Russel: How many millenia (or googolplexes of years) do you think Google > > > will archive our discussion about items of concern to menmbers of the > > > Python community (If none other than the concerns of just members you & > > > I.)? > > > > > > Also: (Is there a smiley for that look I sometimes get, kind of a > > > puzzled, contemplative, pondering wondering bemused "looking at the > > > infinte" look???) > > > > > > Finally: What does Milton Sirotta have to do with this: > > > http://www.python.org/~guido/ ? > > > -- > > > > > > john_re at fastmail.us > > > > > > -- > > > http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Baypiggies mailing list > > > Baypiggies at python.org > > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Tim Johnson > > Windows Sys Admin > > Goooooooooogle > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Russell Whitaker http://www.survivalarts.com/ From mikeal at osafoundation.org Tue Aug 21 20:45:33 2007 From: mikeal at osafoundation.org (Mikeal Rogers) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 11:45:33 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] www.freekenneth.com Please help. Thanks. Urgent. In-Reply-To: <54075e090708211043n6e36fb5emd12553abb2c17d93@mail.gmail.com> References: <1187592939.14865.1206228937@webmail.messagingengine.com> <8d0785d00708201015l2db124a6g45ffbf28775038e4@mail.gmail.com> <1187680236.3816.1206431937@webmail.messagingengine.com> <54075e090708211043n6e36fb5emd12553abb2c17d93@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8D52EEDE-8A2E-4D66-9B37-9FCA640931B8@osafoundation.org> This is hilarious. - Someone posts something off topic - Several people respond upset that someone is posting off topic - More people join in and begin discussing why they are upset when people post off topic - Maybe one person disagrees with list policy, starts sub-thread argument about why their disagreement Conclusion: Off topic post becomes largest thread on list in months. -Mikeal On Aug 21, 2007, at 10:43 AM, Julian Snitow wrote: > Yeah! You shouldn't post off-topic unless it's a matter of life > and death! ;-) > > On 8/21/07, Tim Johnson wrote: >> Are you somehow under the impression that someone, indeeed anyone, >> has >> solicited or desires your email? >> >> Let me assure you right now that whatever whim it was that lead >> you to think >> so was erroneous unless your friend is scheduled to be killed by >> Python. >> >> >> >> On 21/08/07, john_re wrote: >>> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:15:52 -0700, "Russell Whitaker" >>> < russell.whitaker at gmail.com> said: >>>> On 8/19/07, john_re wrote: >>>>> Will you please read the following, and then: >>>>> >>>> [SNIP] >>>> >>>> Why are you spamming the Python list this irrelevant post? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Russell Whitaker >>>> http://www.survivalarts.com/ >>> >>> My post will seem irrelevant to entities who fail to, or do not, >>> appreciate &/or value the moral values & nature of free software, >>> freedom software, GNU software. >>> >>> To entities who appreciate that aspect, my post is naturally >>> relevant >>> along the lines of moral concerns relevant to that community. >>> >>> A life unjustly taken (moreover a system that continues to >>> unjustly take >>> lives) is definitely worth notifiying a community through a >>> community >>> communication channel, giving them an easy opportunity to do some >>> major >>> good in the world (by filling out a form to send a message). >>> [Call it >>> debugging a bug in a social system in our world.] >>> >> http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizationsORG/tmn/ >> campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=12310&t=kenneth.dwt >>> >>> I do not consider my post spam. I do consider my post relevant. >>> And, >>> even if every person in the universe other than me considers it >>> spam, >>> I'm ok with that. >>> >>> ===== >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_%28electronic%29 >>> >>> * Spam (electronic), unsolicited or undesired bulk electronic >>> messages. There are many types of electronic spam, including >>> >>> * E-mail spam, unsolicited e-mail. >>> * Forum spam, posting advertisements or useless posts on a >>> forum. >>> * Spamdexing, manipulating a search engine to create the >>> illusion of popularity for webpages. >>> * Spam in blogs, posting random comments or promoting >>> commercial >>> services to blogs, wikis, guestbooks. >>> * Newsgroup spam, advertisement and forgery on newsgroups. >>> >>> Note: "unsolicited or undesired" >>> >>> ===== >>> http://baypiggies.net/ >>> >>> We are the Silicon Valley-San Francisco Bay Area Python Interest >>> Group. >>> No membership is required, and beginners are welcome! >>> >>> Note: "Python Interest", ie "Interest in Python " >>> >>> Mailing List >>> >>> Please click here to sign up, or to edit your subscription. >>> >>> Note: Email solicited, desired. >>> >>> ===== >>> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >>> >>> This is the mailing list for the SF Bay Area Python Interest >>> Group, aka >>> BayPIGgies. >>> >>> Note: For the group - not just for the pleasure of morally >>> unconcerned >>> members of the group. >>> >>> ===== >>> http://python.org/about/ >>> >>> Python is friendly... and easy to learn >>> >>> The Python newsgroup is known as one of the friendliest around. >>> >>> Note: Friendly newsgroup. Moreover, "is known as one of the >>> friendliest >>> around." Sounds like my kind of people. >>> >>> ===== >>> Summary: Friendly people interested in a freer than freedom sw (gpl) >>> project (Python is open source type licensed), & soliciting >>> community >>> oriented email. Ergo: Not spam. >>> >>> ===== >>> Friendly Python People: Here's a way for you to do something else >>> good >>> for the world today: >>> >>> Here's where you can learn "Why relief should be granted": >>> http://www.freekenneth.com/kennethscase.htm >>> >>> Best wishes. >>> >>> ===== >>> Russel: How many millenia (or googolplexes of years) do you think >>> Google >>> will archive our discussion about items of concern to menmbers of >>> the >>> Python community (If none other than the concerns of just members >>> you & >>> I.)? >>> >>> Also: (Is there a smiley for that look I sometimes get, kind of a >>> puzzled, contemplative, pondering wondering bemused "looking at the >>> infinte" look???) >>> >>> Finally: What does Milton Sirotta have to do with this: >>> http://www.python.org/~guido/ ? >>> -- >>> >>> john_re at fastmail.us >>> >>> -- >>> http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Baypiggies mailing list >>> Baypiggies at python.org >>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tim Johnson >> Windows Sys Admin >> Goooooooooogle >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies From cvanarsdall at mvista.com Tue Aug 21 21:25:35 2007 From: cvanarsdall at mvista.com (Carl J. Van Arsdall) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 12:25:35 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] www.freekenneth.com Please help. Thanks. Urgent. In-Reply-To: <8D52EEDE-8A2E-4D66-9B37-9FCA640931B8@osafoundation.org> References: <1187592939.14865.1206228937@webmail.messagingengine.com> <8d0785d00708201015l2db124a6g45ffbf28775038e4@mail.gmail.com> <1187680236.3816.1206431937@webmail.messagingengine.com> <54075e090708211043n6e36fb5emd12553abb2c17d93@mail.gmail.com> <8D52EEDE-8A2E-4D66-9B37-9FCA640931B8@osafoundation.org> Message-ID: <46CB3C2F.6000107@mvista.com> Mikeal Rogers wrote: > This is hilarious. > > - Someone posts something off topic > - Several people respond upset that someone is posting off topic > - More people join in and begin discussing why they are upset when > people post off topic > - Maybe one person disagrees with list policy, starts sub-thread > argument about why their disagreement > > Conclusion: > Off topic post becomes largest thread on list in months. > > Wait wait wait wait, I'm getting confused. So if I have an off-topic topic, would I be on-topic in this thread? > -Mikeal > > On Aug 21, 2007, at 10:43 AM, Julian Snitow wrote: > > >> Yeah! You shouldn't post off-topic unless it's a matter of life >> and death! ;-) >> >> On 8/21/07, Tim Johnson wrote: >> >>> Are you somehow under the impression that someone, indeeed anyone, >>> has >>> solicited or desires your email? >>> >>> Let me assure you right now that whatever whim it was that lead >>> you to think >>> so was erroneous unless your friend is scheduled to be killed by >>> Python. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 21/08/07, john_re wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:15:52 -0700, "Russell Whitaker" >>>> < russell.whitaker at gmail.com> said: >>>> >>>>> On 8/19/07, john_re wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Will you please read the following, and then: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> [SNIP] >>>>> >>>>> Why are you spamming the Python list this irrelevant post? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Russell Whitaker >>>>> http://www.survivalarts.com/ >>>>> >>>> My post will seem irrelevant to entities who fail to, or do not, >>>> appreciate &/or value the moral values & nature of free software, >>>> freedom software, GNU software. >>>> >>>> To entities who appreciate that aspect, my post is naturally >>>> relevant >>>> along the lines of moral concerns relevant to that community. >>>> >>>> A life unjustly taken (moreover a system that continues to >>>> unjustly take >>>> lives) is definitely worth notifiying a community through a >>>> community >>>> communication channel, giving them an easy opportunity to do some >>>> major >>>> good in the world (by filling out a form to send a message). >>>> [Call it >>>> debugging a bug in a social system in our world.] >>>> >>>> >>> http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizationsORG/tmn/ >>> campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=12310&t=kenneth.dwt >>> >>>> I do not consider my post spam. I do consider my post relevant. >>>> And, >>>> even if every person in the universe other than me considers it >>>> spam, >>>> I'm ok with that. >>>> >>>> ===== >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_%28electronic%29 >>>> >>>> * Spam (electronic), unsolicited or undesired bulk electronic >>>> messages. There are many types of electronic spam, including >>>> >>>> * E-mail spam, unsolicited e-mail. >>>> * Forum spam, posting advertisements or useless posts on a >>>> forum. >>>> * Spamdexing, manipulating a search engine to create the >>>> illusion of popularity for webpages. >>>> * Spam in blogs, posting random comments or promoting >>>> commercial >>>> services to blogs, wikis, guestbooks. >>>> * Newsgroup spam, advertisement and forgery on newsgroups. >>>> >>>> Note: "unsolicited or undesired" >>>> >>>> ===== >>>> http://baypiggies.net/ >>>> >>>> We are the Silicon Valley-San Francisco Bay Area Python Interest >>>> Group. >>>> No membership is required, and beginners are welcome! >>>> >>>> Note: "Python Interest", ie "Interest in Python " >>>> >>>> Mailing List >>>> >>>> Please click here to sign up, or to edit your subscription. >>>> >>>> Note: Email solicited, desired. >>>> >>>> ===== >>>> >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >>>> >>>> This is the mailing list for the SF Bay Area Python Interest >>>> Group, aka >>>> BayPIGgies. >>>> >>>> Note: For the group - not just for the pleasure of morally >>>> unconcerned >>>> members of the group. >>>> >>>> ===== >>>> http://python.org/about/ >>>> >>>> Python is friendly... and easy to learn >>>> >>>> The Python newsgroup is known as one of the friendliest around. >>>> >>>> Note: Friendly newsgroup. Moreover, "is known as one of the >>>> friendliest >>>> around." Sounds like my kind of people. >>>> >>>> ===== >>>> Summary: Friendly people interested in a freer than freedom sw (gpl) >>>> project (Python is open source type licensed), & soliciting >>>> community >>>> oriented email. Ergo: Not spam. >>>> >>>> ===== >>>> Friendly Python People: Here's a way for you to do something else >>>> good >>>> for the world today: >>>> >>>> Here's where you can learn "Why relief should be granted": >>>> http://www.freekenneth.com/kennethscase.htm >>>> >>>> Best wishes. >>>> >>>> ===== >>>> Russel: How many millenia (or googolplexes of years) do you think >>>> Google >>>> will archive our discussion about items of concern to menmbers of >>>> the >>>> Python community (If none other than the concerns of just members >>>> you & >>>> I.)? >>>> >>>> Also: (Is there a smiley for that look I sometimes get, kind of a >>>> puzzled, contemplative, pondering wondering bemused "looking at the >>>> infinte" look???) >>>> >>>> Finally: What does Milton Sirotta have to do with this: >>>> http://www.python.org/~guido/ ? >>>> -- >>>> >>>> john_re at fastmail.us >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Baypiggies mailing list >>>> Baypiggies at python.org >>>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tim Johnson >>> Windows Sys Admin >>> Goooooooooogle >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Baypiggies mailing list >>> Baypiggies at python.org >>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Carl J. Van Arsdall cvanarsdall at mvista.com Build and Release MontaVista Software Vision 2007 Embedded Linux Dev Conf Oct 8-10 http://www.mvista.com/vision From abtinf at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 23:13:11 2007 From: abtinf at gmail.com (Abtin Forouzandeh) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:13:11 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] www.freekenneth.com Please help. Thanks. Urgent. In-Reply-To: <8D52EEDE-8A2E-4D66-9B37-9FCA640931B8@osafoundation.org> References: <1187592939.14865.1206228937@webmail.messagingengine.com> <8d0785d00708201015l2db124a6g45ffbf28775038e4@mail.gmail.com> <1187680236.3816.1206431937@webmail.messagingengine.com> <54075e090708211043n6e36fb5emd12553abb2c17d93@mail.gmail.com> <8D52EEDE-8A2E-4D66-9B37-9FCA640931B8@osafoundation.org> Message-ID: <8BB51CCA-1DB7-4E44-A16C-B29CD2266AC7@gmail.com> This is turning into slashdot. Abtin On Aug 21, 2007, at 11:45 AM, Mikeal Rogers wrote: > This is hilarious. > > - Someone posts something off topic > - Several people respond upset that someone is posting off topic > - More people join in and begin discussing why they are upset when > people post off topic > - Maybe one person disagrees with list policy, starts sub-thread > argument about why their disagreement > > Conclusion: > Off topic post becomes largest thread on list in months. > > -Mikeal > > On Aug 21, 2007, at 10:43 AM, Julian Snitow wrote: > >> Yeah! You shouldn't post off-topic unless it's a matter of life >> and death! ;-) >> >> On 8/21/07, Tim Johnson wrote: >>> Are you somehow under the impression that someone, indeeed anyone, >>> has >>> solicited or desires your email? >>> >>> Let me assure you right now that whatever whim it was that lead >>> you to think >>> so was erroneous unless your friend is scheduled to be killed by >>> Python. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 21/08/07, john_re wrote: >>>> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:15:52 -0700, "Russell Whitaker" >>>> < russell.whitaker at gmail.com> said: >>>>> On 8/19/07, john_re wrote: >>>>>> Will you please read the following, and then: >>>>>> >>>>> [SNIP] >>>>> >>>>> Why are you spamming the Python list this irrelevant post? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Russell Whitaker >>>>> http://www.survivalarts.com/ >>>> >>>> My post will seem irrelevant to entities who fail to, or do not, >>>> appreciate &/or value the moral values & nature of free software, >>>> freedom software, GNU software. >>>> >>>> To entities who appreciate that aspect, my post is naturally >>>> relevant >>>> along the lines of moral concerns relevant to that community. >>>> >>>> A life unjustly taken (moreover a system that continues to >>>> unjustly take >>>> lives) is definitely worth notifiying a community through a >>>> community >>>> communication channel, giving them an easy opportunity to do some >>>> major >>>> good in the world (by filling out a form to send a message). >>>> [Call it >>>> debugging a bug in a social system in our world.] >>>> >>> http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizationsORG/tmn/ >>> campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=12310&t=kenneth.dwt >>>> >>>> I do not consider my post spam. I do consider my post relevant. >>>> And, >>>> even if every person in the universe other than me considers it >>>> spam, >>>> I'm ok with that. >>>> >>>> ===== >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_%28electronic%29 >>>> >>>> * Spam (electronic), unsolicited or undesired bulk electronic >>>> messages. There are many types of electronic spam, including >>>> >>>> * E-mail spam, unsolicited e-mail. >>>> * Forum spam, posting advertisements or useless posts on a >>>> forum. >>>> * Spamdexing, manipulating a search engine to create the >>>> illusion of popularity for webpages. >>>> * Spam in blogs, posting random comments or promoting >>>> commercial >>>> services to blogs, wikis, guestbooks. >>>> * Newsgroup spam, advertisement and forgery on newsgroups. >>>> >>>> Note: "unsolicited or undesired" >>>> >>>> ===== >>>> http://baypiggies.net/ >>>> >>>> We are the Silicon Valley-San Francisco Bay Area Python Interest >>>> Group. >>>> No membership is required, and beginners are welcome! >>>> >>>> Note: "Python Interest", ie "Interest in Python " >>>> >>>> Mailing List >>>> >>>> Please click here to sign up, or to edit your subscription. >>>> >>>> Note: Email solicited, desired. >>>> >>>> ===== >>>> >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >>>> >>>> This is the mailing list for the SF Bay Area Python Interest >>>> Group, aka >>>> BayPIGgies. >>>> >>>> Note: For the group - not just for the pleasure of morally >>>> unconcerned >>>> members of the group. >>>> >>>> ===== >>>> http://python.org/about/ >>>> >>>> Python is friendly... and easy to learn >>>> >>>> The Python newsgroup is known as one of the friendliest around. >>>> >>>> Note: Friendly newsgroup. Moreover, "is known as one of the >>>> friendliest >>>> around." Sounds like my kind of people. >>>> >>>> ===== >>>> Summary: Friendly people interested in a freer than freedom sw >>>> (gpl) >>>> project (Python is open source type licensed), & soliciting >>>> community >>>> oriented email. Ergo: Not spam. >>>> >>>> ===== >>>> Friendly Python People: Here's a way for you to do something else >>>> good >>>> for the world today: >>>> >>>> Here's where you can learn "Why relief should be granted": >>>> http://www.freekenneth.com/kennethscase.htm >>>> >>>> Best wishes. >>>> >>>> ===== >>>> Russel: How many millenia (or googolplexes of years) do you think >>>> Google >>>> will archive our discussion about items of concern to menmbers of >>>> the >>>> Python community (If none other than the concerns of just members >>>> you & >>>> I.)? >>>> >>>> Also: (Is there a smiley for that look I sometimes get, kind of a >>>> puzzled, contemplative, pondering wondering bemused "looking at the >>>> infinte" look???) >>>> >>>> Finally: What does Milton Sirotta have to do with this: >>>> http://www.python.org/~guido/ ? >>>> -- >>>> >>>> john_re at fastmail.us >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your >>>> own >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Baypiggies mailing list >>>> Baypiggies at python.org >>>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tim Johnson >>> Windows Sys Admin >>> Goooooooooogle >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Baypiggies mailing list >>> Baypiggies at python.org >>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies From jjinux at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 02:51:08 2007 From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:51:08 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] www.freekenneth.com Please help. Thanks. Urgent. In-Reply-To: <8BB51CCA-1DB7-4E44-A16C-B29CD2266AC7@gmail.com> References: <1187592939.14865.1206228937@webmail.messagingengine.com> <8d0785d00708201015l2db124a6g45ffbf28775038e4@mail.gmail.com> <1187680236.3816.1206431937@webmail.messagingengine.com> <54075e090708211043n6e36fb5emd12553abb2c17d93@mail.gmail.com> <8D52EEDE-8A2E-4D66-9B37-9FCA640931B8@osafoundation.org> <8BB51CCA-1DB7-4E44-A16C-B29CD2266AC7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ok, guys, simmer down ;) I'll take care of it ;) In Python news, who's going to the Python sprint to hack on Python with Guido? -jj On 8/21/07, Abtin Forouzandeh wrote: > This is turning into slashdot. > > Abtin > > > > On Aug 21, 2007, at 11:45 AM, Mikeal Rogers > wrote: > > > This is hilarious. > > > > - Someone posts something off topic > > - Several people respond upset that someone is posting off topic > > - More people join in and begin discussing why they are upset when > > people post off topic > > - Maybe one person disagrees with list policy, starts sub-thread > > argument about why their disagreement > > > > Conclusion: > > Off topic post becomes largest thread on list in months. > > > > -Mikeal > > > > On Aug 21, 2007, at 10:43 AM, Julian Snitow wrote: > > > >> Yeah! You shouldn't post off-topic unless it's a matter of life > >> and death! ;-) > >> > >> On 8/21/07, Tim Johnson wrote: > >>> Are you somehow under the impression that someone, indeeed anyone, > >>> has > >>> solicited or desires your email? > >>> > >>> Let me assure you right now that whatever whim it was that lead > >>> you to think > >>> so was erroneous unless your friend is scheduled to be killed by > >>> Python. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 21/08/07, john_re wrote: > >>>> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 10:15:52 -0700, "Russell Whitaker" > >>>> < russell.whitaker at gmail.com> said: > >>>>> On 8/19/07, john_re wrote: > >>>>>> Will you please read the following, and then: > >>>>>> > >>>>> [SNIP] > >>>>> > >>>>> Why are you spamming the Python list this irrelevant post? > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Russell Whitaker > >>>>> http://www.survivalarts.com/ > >>>> > >>>> My post will seem irrelevant to entities who fail to, or do not, > >>>> appreciate &/or value the moral values & nature of free software, > >>>> freedom software, GNU software. > >>>> > >>>> To entities who appreciate that aspect, my post is naturally > >>>> relevant > >>>> along the lines of moral concerns relevant to that community. > >>>> > >>>> A life unjustly taken (moreover a system that continues to > >>>> unjustly take > >>>> lives) is definitely worth notifiying a community through a > >>>> community > >>>> communication channel, giving them an easy opportunity to do some > >>>> major > >>>> good in the world (by filling out a form to send a message). > >>>> [Call it > >>>> debugging a bug in a social system in our world.] > >>>> > >>> http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizationsORG/tmn/ > >>> campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=12310&t=kenneth.dwt > >>>> > >>>> I do not consider my post spam. I do consider my post relevant. > >>>> And, > >>>> even if every person in the universe other than me considers it > >>>> spam, > >>>> I'm ok with that. > >>>> > >>>> ===== > >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_%28electronic%29 > >>>> > >>>> * Spam (electronic), unsolicited or undesired bulk electronic > >>>> messages. There are many types of electronic spam, including > >>>> > >>>> * E-mail spam, unsolicited e-mail. > >>>> * Forum spam, posting advertisements or useless posts on a > >>>> forum. > >>>> * Spamdexing, manipulating a search engine to create the > >>>> illusion of popularity for webpages. > >>>> * Spam in blogs, posting random comments or promoting > >>>> commercial > >>>> services to blogs, wikis, guestbooks. > >>>> * Newsgroup spam, advertisement and forgery on newsgroups. > >>>> > >>>> Note: "unsolicited or undesired" > >>>> > >>>> ===== > >>>> http://baypiggies.net/ > >>>> > >>>> We are the Silicon Valley-San Francisco Bay Area Python Interest > >>>> Group. > >>>> No membership is required, and beginners are welcome! > >>>> > >>>> Note: "Python Interest", ie "Interest in Python " > >>>> > >>>> Mailing List > >>>> > >>>> Please click here to sign up, or to edit your subscription. > >>>> > >>>> Note: Email solicited, desired. > >>>> > >>>> ===== > >>>> > >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > >>>> > >>>> This is the mailing list for the SF Bay Area Python Interest > >>>> Group, aka > >>>> BayPIGgies. > >>>> > >>>> Note: For the group - not just for the pleasure of morally > >>>> unconcerned > >>>> members of the group. > >>>> > >>>> ===== > >>>> http://python.org/about/ > >>>> > >>>> Python is friendly... and easy to learn > >>>> > >>>> The Python newsgroup is known as one of the friendliest around. > >>>> > >>>> Note: Friendly newsgroup. Moreover, "is known as one of the > >>>> friendliest > >>>> around." Sounds like my kind of people. > >>>> > >>>> ===== > >>>> Summary: Friendly people interested in a freer than freedom sw > >>>> (gpl) > >>>> project (Python is open source type licensed), & soliciting > >>>> community > >>>> oriented email. Ergo: Not spam. > >>>> > >>>> ===== > >>>> Friendly Python People: Here's a way for you to do something else > >>>> good > >>>> for the world today: > >>>> > >>>> Here's where you can learn "Why relief should be granted": > >>>> http://www.freekenneth.com/kennethscase.htm > >>>> > >>>> Best wishes. > >>>> > >>>> ===== > >>>> Russel: How many millenia (or googolplexes of years) do you think > >>>> Google > >>>> will archive our discussion about items of concern to menmbers of > >>>> the > >>>> Python community (If none other than the concerns of just members > >>>> you & > >>>> I.)? > >>>> > >>>> Also: (Is there a smiley for that look I sometimes get, kind of a > >>>> puzzled, contemplative, pondering wondering bemused "looking at the > >>>> infinte" look???) > >>>> > >>>> Finally: What does Milton Sirotta have to do with this: > >>>> http://www.python.org/~guido/ ? > >>>> -- > >>>> > >>>> john_re at fastmail.us > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your > >>>> own > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Baypiggies mailing list > >>>> Baypiggies at python.org > >>>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Tim Johnson > >>> Windows Sys Admin > >>> Goooooooooogle > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Baypiggies mailing list > >>> Baypiggies at python.org > >>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Baypiggies mailing list > >> Baypiggies at python.org > >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ From richkatz at acm.org Thu Aug 23 08:15:35 2007 From: richkatz at acm.org (Richard Katz) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:15:35 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Word document manipulation ( newbie ) In-Reply-To: <78b3a9580705181536o2e5da756u972e35892d8cecf1@mail.gmail.com> References: <5217487.192101179466159324.JavaMail.servlet@perfora> <78b3a9580705181536o2e5da756u972e35892d8cecf1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46CD2607.1050001@acm.org> /what do you mean by automation? / Wesley, It's just what you've described in your book. Automating - with Excel and Word and such as in Office Automation referred to using the use of "the Interface Formerly Known As OLE" (COM) to manipulate an office program. By the way, I'm enjoying reading your book. Regards, Richard Katz richkatz at acm.org pythologist at gmail.com wesley chun wrote: >>Sorry if this in the wrong forum. Please advise if so. But could some one point me in the direction of automating a word document. I have read that there is code written but unfortunately I don't know how to access it. I have installed python 2.4.4 with pywin32-210.win32-py2.4. Help >> >> > > >what do you mean by automation? i have some code that automatically >generates a Word document dynamically at runtime in ch23 of "Core >Python". > >also see my recent Win32/COMment from yesterday: >http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/2007-May/002234.html > >hope this helps! >-- wesley >- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >"Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001 > http://corepython.com > >wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com >python training and technical consulting >cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca >http://cyberwebconsulting.com >_______________________________________________ >Baypiggies mailing list >Baypiggies at python.org >To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > From annaraven at gmail.com Sat Aug 25 19:33:01 2007 From: annaraven at gmail.com (Anna Ravenscroft) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 10:33:01 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] She's Geeky unConference announcement Message-ID: She's Geeky (http://www.shesgeeky.org) A Women's Tech (un)Conference October 22-23 Computer History Museum, Mountain View, CA. Start Noon Monday end 6pm Tuesday. Cost $125 until Sept 30 after that $175. The She's Geeky (un)conference will provide an agenda-free and friendly environment for women who not only care about building technology that is useful for people, but who also want to encourage more women to get involved. It is designed to provide women who self-identify as geeky and who are engaged in various technology-focused disciplines with a gathering space in which they can exchange skills and discuss ideas and form community across and within disciplines. Our goal is to create an open space forum for women in tech to come together to 1. Exchanging skills and learning from women from diverse fields of technology. 2. Discussing topics about women and technology. 3. Connecting the diverse range of women in technology, computing, entrepreneurship, funding, hardware, open source, nonprofit and any other technical geeky field. This is an unconference (http://www.unconference.net) so it will have an agenda created by the people who attend. Sheesgeeky will include women working in: * Open Source * Web 2.0 * Biotech * Hardware companies * Enterprise IT * The Nonprofit Technology Sector * Portals * Search Engines * Social Networking Sites * Research for and about technology/people * Startups generally * Product building/management in large organizations * Robotics * Gaming * Mobile * Technical Writing * Your definition of geekiness (if you don't see it here add it) We have a wonderful organizing team that has come together including - Mary Hodder, Susan Mernitt, Laurie Rae, Julian French, Deb Roy and Melanie Swan. We have a sponsorship package ready - if you are interested in learning more please e-mail us at shesgeeky at gmail.com . We have media sponsorships available to women's tech groups with limited (or no) budget. If you would like to be volunteer or sponsor please contact us at : Shesgeeky at gmail.com Any other questions - don't hesitate to ask. shesgeeky at gmail.com -- cordially, Anna -- Walking through the water. Trying to get across. Just like everybody else. From walterv at gbbservices.com Sat Aug 25 22:28:01 2007 From: walterv at gbbservices.com (Walter Vannini) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:28:01 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] September ACCU meeting Message-ID: <46D090D1.1060605@gbbservices.com> Feel free to forward this notice to anyone who is interested. When: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 Topic: Some Python Patterns for Multitasking and Event-Driven Processing Speaker: Alex Martelli Time: 7:00pm Where: VMware 3210 Porter Drive Palo Alto, CA 94304 (Please don't go to the other VMware building on the same street.) Map: Cost: Free More Info: Speaker: Alex Martelli Doing multiple things at once -- or, at least, giving the appearance of so doing -- is an obvious and inescapable necessity in almost all programming areas today. This talk shows some architecture, design and coding patterns (focused on the Python programming language) supporting such needs, from event-driven processing, to threading (preemptive and non), to some highly scalable approaches based on multiple processes possibly running on multiple processors. The talk's audience should have at least some modest previous exposure to Python, but will not necessarily need previous knowledge of either event-driven processing or multitasking. Alex Martelli is Uber Technical Lead at Google, Inc. Alex holds a laurea in Ingegneria Elettronica from Bologna University. He wrote Python in a Nutshell, and also co-edited the Python Cookbook. He's a member of the Python Software Foundation, and won the 2002 Activators' Choice Award and the 2006 Frank Willison Memorial Award. Alex spent 8 years with IBM Research (earning three Outstanding Technical Achievement Awards), 12 years as senior consultant (Win32, Fortran, C, C++, Java, etc) at Think3 inc, and 3 years as a Python freelance consultant (mostly for AB Strakt). He has taught Programming, Numerical Computing, and Object Oriented Design at Ferrara University and other venues. The ACCU meets monthly. To suggest topics and speakers please email Walter Vannini via walterv at gbbservices.com Walter Vannini From hcharnaw at vmware.com Mon Aug 27 22:52:29 2007 From: hcharnaw at vmware.com (Hayley Charnaw) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:52:29 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Python Engineer - VMware - Palo Alto, CA Message-ID: <040EC1DE5CE40647A1E7BEECD85F62CB06D18803@PA-EXCH04.vmware.com> Python Software Engineer - ESX Installation and Update Management VMware Location: Palo Alto, CA VMware Inc., a pioneer in virtualization software for industry-standard computers, is seeking a software engineer with strong distributed systems, client-server and scalable applications development experience. ESX server is a robust, production-proved virtualization layer than abstracts processor, memory, storage and networking resources into multiple virtual machines. ESX Server delivers the highest levels of performance, scalability and flexibility required for enterprise IT environments. This R&D position resides in our Core Technologies Group and will be a part of our Kernel Applications Group. This is open source software. The engineer in this role will gain exposure to many parts of our core OS and our applications. As a result of this exposure, he/she will interface with many groups in and outside of R&D. This is an extremely visible role, at VMware we strive to make our user experience seamless. This is an opportunity to work with the best and brightest in the industry. Responsibilities: This position's primary role is in the design and implementation of Open Source software for ESX installation, deployment and distribution. Work will involve interaction with product management and will require work with releases of new operating system versions, driver updates, and building Red Hat Package Management (RPM) packages. Most of the coding will be in done in Python with some limited use of Perl and C. Requirements: BS in Computer Science or equivalent. Fluent in Python. Experience in Linux administration and configuration. Experience with RPMs. Experience building a Linux distribution or Linux rescue disk is preferred. C and C++ programming is desired. Experience with signature verification (GPG, Checksums) desired Experience with GTK or Glade a plus. Experience with YUM a plus. Contact Hayley Charnaw hcharnaw at vmware.com Please include a sample of your Python code. Hayley Charnaw Recruiter, VM Kernel 650-427-2130 JOIN ME ON LINKED-IN!! http://www.linkedin.com/in/hayleycharnaw VMware is the world leader in virtualization software that allows you to run multiple operating systems simultaneously on the same host. It also allows the user to virtualize their PC or server into multiple PC's or servers with the same hardware. We have over 600 openings and have nearly doubled in both headcount and revenues the last 3 years in a row. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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