[Baypiggies] pre-registration for Baypiggies meeting
David Cramer
dcramer at gmail.com
Mon Jul 9 19:50:26 CEST 2007
I agree -- using the wiki as a place to signup isn't very effective.
On 7/9/07, Warren Stringer <warren at muse.com> wrote:
>
> How about using Meetup.com as the registration vehicle? Several reasons:
>
> 1) many people on meetup.com
> a) have expressed an interest in Python
> b) don't know about the baypiggies
>
> 2) scheduling via wiki has flaws
> a) in general, a wiki is not a calendar
> b) the Python Wiki UI is obscure
>
> For example, here's retracing my steps for attending Baypiggies meeting,
> via
> wiki:
>
> Goto to: http://baypiggies.net/
> Notice that there isn't a calendar
> Recall that there is some mention of a wiki
> Search page for wiki link
> Click on wiki link
> New page: http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings
> Notice that there isn't a calendar
> Click on BayPiggies Meetings at Google
> New Page: http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggies
> Click on only link: Web site: http://baypiggies.net
> Which brings you back to : http://baypiggies.net/
> Grumble quietly and press the back button
> Old Page: http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggies
> Type in search term: "meeting"
> New Page:
>
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggies?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=m
> eeting
> Grumble again, hit the back button
> Old page: http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggies
> Spend a few moments figuring out where to go next
> Guess and Click on Title Index
> New Page: http://wiki.python.org/moin/TitleIndex
> Grumble at the list of everything to do with Python
> Manual search for "BayPiggies"
> Search brings you deeper into page
> Decide whether you should click on
> BayPiggies or BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings
> Click on BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings
> New page:
> Utter epithet at no signup
> Click on "BayPiggies Meetings at Google"
> Old page: http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggies
> Swear out loud
> Hit the back button
> In Desperation click "Directions to Google:..."
> New Page: http://www.google.com/corporate/address.html#directions
> With a feeling of resignation go back
> Old page: http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings
> Spend a few moments wondering what to do next
> Decide to click on LOGIN
> New Page: http://wiki.python.org/moin/UserPreferences
> Wonder why the Login Form is called "UserPreferences"
> Decide that you -ahem- *prefer* to Login.
> Spend some time figuring out the overloaded triple purpose input
> form
> Where some fields should be ignored depending on
> which of the three things I want to do
> what button to press
> Type in your often used username and password
> Updated page: http://wiki.python.org/moin/UserPreferences
> Scratch you head that nothing has changed
> Try again:
> Updated page: http://wiki.python.org/moin/UserPreferences
> Search for clues, after input form
> Try again:
> Oh! there is status line stuck in the *Middle*
> Below the "UserPreferences" which this form isn't
> Below the Search field, which this form isn't
> Above the TRIPLE Purpose form
> In the smallest font on the page
> Begin to laugh out loud
> Go through sign up process (many steps here)
> Login under new user name
> New page: http://wiki.python.org/moin/UserPreferences
> Spend some time wondering where to go next
> Click on Front Page
> New Page: http://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage
> Shake head in wonderment at generic Python page
> Decide whether to use search field or scan page
> Click on "You Recent Pages: BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings"
> Old page: http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings
> Shake off that feeling like you're attempting to join a Masonic
> order
> And you're at the first of 39 steps before reaching
> guidodom.
> Decide to just show up.
> Give up
>
> That was last month. This month, while attempting to retrieve a password,
> I
> get the message:
>
> {u'': (550, '<None>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local
> recipient table')}
>
> because I attempted to get password based on username. A programmer might
> reply that this is a case of RTFM. A designer might reply that this is a
> case of a turning turning a simple goal of signing up for a meeting into
> your worst nightmare.
>
> May I suggest a peek at another Wiki, a good UI : http://barcamp.org/
> But, this is beside the point. A wiki is NOT a calendar. A usable meetup
> calendar is: www.meetup.com and, while you're at it, search on Python
> meetups.
>
> Sorry for any crushed toes; even while I grumble, I appreciate the time to
> support this group.
>
> Cheers,
>
> \~/
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: baypiggies-bounces at python.org [mailto:
> baypiggies-bounces at python.org]
> > On Behalf Of Rick Kwan
> > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:39 AM
> > To: Leslie Hawthorn
> > Cc: baypiggies at python.org
> > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] pre-registration for Baypiggies meeting
> >
> > The wiki sign-up page still said June, with Colin Winter. I took the
> > liberty of revising it quickly to say July, with the NLTK speakers,
> > and left a pointer to the abstract.
> >
> > I apologize in advance; I have a little page gremlin in me that
> > sometimes escapes to the keyboard... Feel free to correct his
> > handiwork.
> >
> > --Rick Kwan
> >
> > On 7/9/07, Leslie Hawthorn <lhawthorn at google.com> wrote:
> > > Hello everyone,
> > >
> > > Please pre-register for this Thursday's Baypiggies meeting on the wiki
> > by
> > > PM on Wednesday, 7/11:
> > >
> > > http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > LH
> > >
> > > --
> > > Leslie Hawthorn
> > > Program Manager - Open Source
> > > Google Inc.
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