[Baypiggies] concurrency talk

[Guido van Rossum]

Hm, not everyone uses it that way. There are several modules around
that have "parallel" in their name but don't use it that way. I think
what you're thinking of is called "vectorized" these days.

On 9/17/07, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com> wrote:
> Good point.  Of course Erlang makes it easy to do both via the same
> mechanism, but I agree with you completely.  It does make sense to
> focus for a while on what you can do with a single machine.  Note, I'm
> not using the term "parallel" because that implies "same code,
> different data," whereas I'm also interested in "same machine, same
> overall program, but different duties" if that makes any sense.
>
> -jj
>
> On 9/17/07, Guido van Rossum <guido at python.org> wrote:
> > Possibly, but it *is* quite a change in topic. The discussions that
> > lead us here all got started by the desire to use multiple cores on a
> > single box, and the solutions suggested (from removing the GIL to
> > Erlang-style lightweight processes) are all geared towards that
> > scenario, and not towards distributed computing. The latter will
> > always scale to much larger jobs, but will also always be much more
> > painful to program.
> >
> > On 9/17/07, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I think MapReduce should definitely be covered.  I think a lot more
> > > people are going to care about distributed computing than parallel
> > > computing.  At least, that's been my experience at my last three
> > > companies.
> > >
> > > -jj
> > >
> > > On 9/17/07, Guido van Rossum <guido at python.org> wrote:
> > > > I was thinking of E as well, but then I realized that E supports
> > > > *distributed* computing, which isn't quite the same field as
> > > > *parallel* computing. I'm not sure it's useful to increase the field
> > > > even more by adding distributed computing -- then you'd have to add
> > > > MapReduce and many other paradigms as well.
> > > >
> > > > On 9/17/07, jim stockford <jim at well.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >     maybe add E to the list (below Erlang)?
> > > > >
> > > > >     could the discussoin also include likely new CPU
> > > > > designs, PCB designs, embedded and desktop and
> > > > > server systems as well.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sep 17, 2007, at 2:48 AM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Someone hinted at this idea earlier, but it might be fun to have an
> > > > > > overview discussion on a bunch of different concurrency techniques.
> > > > > > We could have a bunch of speakers, each speaking for 15 minutes on a
> > > > > > specific topic.  For instance:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * Processes
> > > > > > * Threads (kernel and green)
> > > > > > * Parallel programming vs. distributed computing
> > > > > > * IO bound vs. CPU bound
> > > > > > * Asynchronous
> > > > > > * Twisted
> > > > > > * Stackless
> > > > > > * Actors
> > > > > > * Erlang
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We wouldn't actually try to cover how to use each of these.  Rather,
> > > > > > the goal would be to explain what it is and what are its advantages
> > > > > > and limitations.  That'd be a fun talk to give assuming we can keep it
> > > > > > shallow enough to cover everything but deep enough to make sense.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Happy Hacking!
> > > > > > -jj
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > http://jjinux.blogspot.com/
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Baypiggies mailing list
> > > > > > Baypiggies at python.org
> > > > > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> > > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Baypiggies mailing list
> > > > > Baypiggies at python.org
> > > > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://jjinux.blogspot.com/
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
> >
>
>
> --
> http://jjinux.blogspot.com/
>


-- 
--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)