From glen at glenjarvis.com Fri Jan 4 21:40:31 2008 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 12:40:31 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Stylin' in Python.. Message-ID: <3E26BD3E-05C3-4666-9AB6-CD05E8C06E57@glenjarvis.com> I've reached the level as a Python noob, where instead of struggling to get it to work, I'm struggling with doing things with style ;) Since my last BayPiggies meeting, and an awesome conversation with JJ, I have reverently adopted PEP-8 (http://www.python.org/dev/peps/ pep-0008/) as a standard for all of my code. And, I've passed around the PEP-8 style guide in my office. Some of my peers are adopting it too. However, now, I come to some more subtle style questions. I regularly use pychecker and a PEP-8 checking script generously contributed to me from my last questions/discussion on style. I use the example given in Learning Python (http://www.oreilly.com/ catalog/lpython/) by Mark Lutz for creating my own exception objects. However, pychecker gives me the following warning that I am catching a non-exception object: > Warnings... > > demo.py:23: Catching a non-Exception object (General) The sample code (from Learning Python) is included below my signature. My question is: Do I need to inherit a most-generic exception class? Or, is a non-exception class sufficient? What does everyone think? Is this agreed upon some where? This is a warning from pychecker only, not an error, so I expect it's not an agreed upon style.... What object would I inherit? I don't really know the exception class Hierarchy (although I should sit down and give it a quick review). Cheers, Glen -- 415-680-3964 glen at glenjarvis.com http://www.glenjarvis.com "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi class General: pass class Specific1(General): pass class Specific2(General): pass def raiser0(): X = General() # Raise superclass instance raise X def raiser1(): X = Specific1() # Raise subclass instance raise X def raiser2(): X = Specific2() # Raise different subclass instance raise X for func in (raiser0, raiser1, raiser2): try: func() except General: # Match General or any subclass of it import sys print 'caught:', sys.exc_info()[0] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20080104/9ef7a8fd/attachment.htm From Chris.Clark at ingres.com Sat Jan 5 00:17:16 2008 From: Chris.Clark at ingres.com (Chris Clark) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:17:16 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Stylin' in Python.. In-Reply-To: <3E26BD3E-05C3-4666-9AB6-CD05E8C06E57@glenjarvis.com> References: <3E26BD3E-05C3-4666-9AB6-CD05E8C06E57@glenjarvis.com> Message-ID: <477EBE7C.6040302@ingres.com> On 1/4/2008 12:40 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote: > class General: pass > class Specific1(General): pass > class Specific2(General): pass > > > > def raiser0(): > X = General() # Raise superclass instance > raise X Quick copy/paste of what I tend to use; class MyBaseException(Exception): """Base exception, probably redundant""" def __init__(self, value): self.value = value def __str__(self): #return self.value return repr(self.value) class MyNotImplemented(MyBaseException): ## fake so that it is not seen the same as real NotImplemented pass class CompareNotAllowed(MyBaseException): pass .... raise CompareNotAllowed("can only compare same types") From jeff at drinktomi.com Sat Jan 5 16:04:35 2008 From: jeff at drinktomi.com (Jeff Younker) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 10:04:35 -0500 Subject: [Baypiggies] Stylin' in Python.. In-Reply-To: <3E26BD3E-05C3-4666-9AB6-CD05E8C06E57@glenjarvis.com> References: <3E26BD3E-05C3-4666-9AB6-CD05E8C06E57@glenjarvis.com> Message-ID: > The sample code (from Learning Python) is included below my > signature. My question is: Do I need to inherit a most-generic > exception class? Or, is a non-exception class sufficient? > Currently no, you don't *need* to inherit from a most-generic exception class, but in Python 3000 all exceptions must descend from BaseException, so now is the time to start getting used to the new world order. In the current world, if my exceptions designate error conditions of any kind then they descend from (at least) Exception. The broad categories defined by Python are: BaseException - An exception, but not necessarily an error Exception(BaseException) - An error StandardError(Exception) - Generic error ArithmeticError(Exception) - Bad math LookupError(Exception) - Indexing error EnvironmentError(Exception) - Something outside python Only when the exception is used for "normal" flow control do I see a reason for inheriting directly from BaseException. This is the pretty much the way Python does it too. GeneratorExit, StopIteration, SystemExit, and KeyboardInterrupt are all about flow control, and not errors per se, so they are BaseExceptions, but not Exceptions. -jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20080105/0bba8428/attachment.htm From rfield at sonic.net Sun Jan 6 00:38:20 2008 From: rfield at sonic.net (Robert Field) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 15:38:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baypiggies] Any advice using HTTP REST in a Python client In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, All -- I have a need to be able to upload and download files from a server using a REST interface. The download would be by GET, the upload by PUT, I'm expecting. I'm not making too much headway on this and was wondering if anyone had experience or knew of a tutorial resource. Thanks, Robert From doug at apley.com Sun Jan 6 02:32:02 2008 From: doug at apley.com (Douglas Sims) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 19:32:02 -0600 Subject: [Baypiggies] Any advice using HTTP REST in a Python client In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Robert You might try the urllib2 library: http://docs.python.org/lib/module-urllib2.html This library supports http, https, ftp, cookies, basic authentication, put, post, head, etc. Here is a quick example showing how you might use this. This is a short program which downloads a copy of the FAA aircraft registration database from the web. The database is in the form of a zipped file on the FAA web site. This program doesn't do any error trapping as you might want to, but it's been quietly plugging away since May (run by a cron job) and never had any errors to trap. Good luck! Douglas Sims Doug at Apley.com #!/usr/bin/python # Doug at Apley.com 2007-05-23 import urllib2, os, time # refer to http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_registry/releasable_aircraft_download/ # The URL contains the current year and month value. Strangely, you can't retrieve older copies of the file just by using older year/month values. # Also, the file is replaced several times a month and still lives at the same URL. aircraft_registration_url=time.strftime('http://registry.faa.gov/database/AR %m%Y.zip') local_aircraft_registration_archive=time.strftime('/var/ aircraft_registrations/%Y') if not os.path.isdir(local_aircraft_registration_archive): os.mkdir(local_aircraft_registration_archive) f = urllib2.urlopen(aircraft_registration_url) aircraft_registrations = f.read() f.close() fout=file(local_aircraft_registration_archive+'/'+time.strftime('%Y-%m- %d_%H_%M_%S'), 'wb') fout.write(aircraft_registrations) fout.close On Jan 5, 2008, at 5:38 PM, Robert Field wrote: > Hi, All -- > > I have a need to be able to upload and download files from a server > using > a REST interface. The download would be by GET, the upload by PUT, I'm > expecting. > > I'm not making too much headway on this and was wondering if anyone > had > experience or knew of a tutorial resource. > > Thanks, > Robert > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies From glen at glenjarvis.com Sun Jan 6 19:33:58 2008 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 10:33:58 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Stylin' a big Thank You! In-Reply-To: <3E26BD3E-05C3-4666-9AB6-CD05E8C06E57@glenjarvis.com> References: <3E26BD3E-05C3-4666-9AB6-CD05E8C06E57@glenjarvis.com> Message-ID: I hate to sound like a broken record, but I find the BayPIGgies group to be incredible!!! In my job, we never even used pychecker. Last month, I had learned about a PEP-8 style checking script - and I hadn't even known about PEP-8 before. I now routinely use a 'check' script that calls pychecker and then the PEP-8 script. It was only though these new practices that I discovered that I was not using exception handling in a forward-compatible manner (thus the Stylin' emails I recently sent). I had thought maybe pychecker might have been outdated or buggy and that this picky warning wasn't relevant. It turns out, however, because of the awesomness of BayPIGgies, I discover the impact of that warning: Chad Netzer gives me a great link to the Python Library (http:// docs.python.org/lib/module-exceptions.html#l2h-96), and explains how rules have tightened up so that: isinstance(myexception, Exception) == True. Chris Clark gives me some template-code he uses that I can keep handy. And, Jeff Younker gives me an excellent response, listing the broad categories of exceptions -- Exactly what a three month noob to python like me needed: BaseException - An exception, but not necessarily an error Exception(BaseException) - An error StandardError(Exception) - Generic error ArithmeticError(Exception) - Bad math LookupError(Exception) - Indexing error EnvironmentError(Exception) - Something outside python That gives me enough understanding so that when I read the library documents, I can understand what I'm reading from context. In my job, we are pushing and pushing for code-reviews. We are trying to adopt standards like PEP-8. I'm not sure if this will ever be a company policy though. Our business finds that extra things like this are a waste of time and therefore resources. We have to get code out the door quickly. They aren't technical at all and don't see how we would have to re- write code (like above) in the future if we didn't spend the time getting it right the first time... And, with QA resources, and company processes, this balloons so quickly and wastes so much MORE time in the future... *sigh*.. With BayPIGgies and a little proactivity on my part, I can fill in the cracks as best as I can. You guys (generic for guys and gals) really are AWESOME! Cheers, Glen -- 415-680-3964 glen at glenjarvis.com http://www.glenjarvis.com "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi On Jan 4, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote: > I've reached the level as a Python noob, where instead of > struggling to get it to work, I'm struggling with doing things with > style ;) > > Since my last BayPiggies meeting, and an awesome conversation with > JJ, I have reverently adopted PEP-8 (http://www.python.org/dev/peps/ > pep-0008/) as a standard for all of my code. And, I've passed > around the PEP-8 style guide in my office. Some of my peers are > adopting it too. > > However, now, I come to some more subtle style questions. I > regularly use pychecker and a PEP-8 checking script generously > contributed to me from my last questions/discussion on style. > > I use the example given in Learning Python (http://www.oreilly.com/ > catalog/lpython/) by Mark Lutz for creating my own exception > objects. However, pychecker gives me the following warning that I > am catching a non-exception object: > > > Warnings... > > > > demo.py:23: Catching a non-Exception object (General) > > > The sample code (from Learning Python) is included below my > signature. My question is: Do I need to inherit a most-generic > exception class? Or, is a non-exception class sufficient? > > What does everyone think? Is this agreed upon some where? This is a > warning from pychecker only, not an error, so I expect it's not an > agreed upon style.... What object would I inherit? I don't really > know the exception class Hierarchy (although I should sit down and > give it a quick review). > > > Cheers, > > > Glen > -- > 415-680-3964 > glen at glenjarvis.com > http://www.glenjarvis.com > > "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -M. Gandhi > > > class General: pass > class Specific1(General): pass > class Specific2(General): pass > > def raiser0(): > X = General() # Raise superclass instance > raise X > > > def raiser1(): > X = Specific1() # Raise subclass instance > raise X > > > def raiser2(): > X = Specific2() # Raise different subclass instance > raise X > > > for func in (raiser0, raiser1, raiser2): > try: > func() > except General: # Match General or any subclass of it > import sys > print 'caught:', sys.exc_info()[0] > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Agenda----------------------------- ..... 7:30 PM ........................... General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, any first-minute announcements. ..... 7:35 PM to 8:45 PM ................ The Talk ..... 8:45 PM to 9:00 PM ................ Mapping/Random Access Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of topics the announcers are interested in. Random Access follows immediately to allow follow up individually on the announcements and other topics of interest. ..... The February Meeting ................ TBD From cappy2112 at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 19:37:43 2008 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:37:43 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] bayPIGgies meets Thursday, 1/10: Python on the XO Laptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8249c4ac0801071037x3ad6a585s45c9af45b1b54a61@mail.gmail.com> I've updated the Plone site & the wiki for January 10 On Jan 7, 2008 10:11 AM, jim stockford wrote: > > > bayPIGgies meeting Thursday 01/10: > > Python on the OLPC XO Laptop > by Aaron Maxwell, Ed Cherlin, Charles Merriam > > This is not your father's laptop. Capabilities include > mesh networking, an innovative user interface (Sugar), > music and photos and video, easy collaboration with > others, and Python as the lingua franca. From afife at untangle.com Tue Jan 8 20:34:00 2008 From: afife at untangle.com (Andrew Fife) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 11:34:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baypiggies] Eric S. Raymond @ BALUG (Next Tuesday) Message-ID: <003a01c8522d$72396870$0200a8c0@Untangle.local> Howdy Folks: Eric S. Raymond will be kicking off the start of a great 2008 at The Bay Area Linux Users Group (BALUG) with a talk on January 15th. If you haven't been to BALUG in a while, this a great opportunity to check out what we're up to... and who knows you may just wind up eating dinner with Eric S. Raymond at your table. If you'd like to come, please RSVP: RSVP at balug.org Upcoming 2008 speakers include: Jan - Eric S. Raymond Feb - Bruce Perens March 24th (New Date) - Mark Shuttleworth April - Eric Allman May - Jeremy Allison June - Andrew Morton So why not signup for BALUG's extremely low volume announce list: http://lists.balug.org/listinfo.cgi/balug-announce-balug.org Meeting Details... 6:30pm January 15th, 2008 (Next Tuesday) Four Seas Restaurant 731 Grant Ave. San Francisco, CA 94108 Parking: http://www.portsmouthsquaregarage.com/ Cost: The meetings are always free, but dinner is $13 About BALUG: BALUG is lively gathering of Linux users & free software enthusiasts that combines great food, community & intimate access to featured speakers. We meet in the bar of the Four Seas Restaurant from 6:30pm. At 7pm, we share a family-style Chinese dinner, which is followed by our guest speaker. BALUG Mailing list Policy: BALUG promises not to abuse other LUGs mailing lists. Our current policy is to make one monthly announcement on other Bay Area LUGs mailing lists. If you feel this is not appropriate for a particular list, please tell us which list and what you feel would be a more appropriate policy for that list. Please send feedback to balug-contact at balug.org. ---------------------------------------- Andrew Fife Untangle - Open Source Security Gateway download.untangle.com 650.425.3327 (O) 415.806.6028 (C) afife at untangle.com From echerlin at gmail.com Tue Jan 8 23:05:43 2008 From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:05:43 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Fwd: [OVC-discuss] Fw: Python help needed immediately -- simple Electronic Ballot Printer In-Reply-To: <005401c85213$5bbe17e0$0201a8c0@upstairs> References: <005401c85213$5bbe17e0$0201a8c0@upstairs> Message-ID: The code in question is at http://sourceforge.net/projects/evm2003. OVC aims to rescue US elections from incompetently designed and written, opaque, proprietary systems claiming security through obscurity, replacing them with Free Software (GPL extended with a requirement to track development history). The San Jose Mercury News, after observing a public demo, called our system "the Holy Grail" of elections. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Dechert" To: "Jan Karrman" Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:05 AM Subject: Python help needed immediately -- simple Electronic Ballot Printer > Jan, > > I have a request from the San Luis Obispo County Democratic Party to > provide a system for their straw poll Jan 12. It's just one contest with > 5 candidates (plus write-in). > > Clinton > Obama > Edwards > Kucinich > Richardson > > THE PROPOSED VOTING PROCESS > ----------------------------------------------- > After screening and sign-in, the voter would go to one of three PCs set up > for voting. After making the selection, the ballot would be printed on a > laser printer and would include a 1-d barcode on the edge like our 2004 > demo. The voter could write-in a name and the write-in name would be > printed on the ballot (individual write-in names would not be tabulated -- > only that a write-in was made). The voter would put the ballot in a > privacy folder (file folder cut to 8x12 inches) and proceed to the ballot > box. A pollworker would take the folder from the voter and slide the > ballot face-down into the ballot box. About 200-300 voters are expected. > > No reading-impaired voters are anticipated, but it would be nice to have > one of the machines set up with headphones and the capability of > accommodating such voters. English only. > > > TABULATION > -------------------- > Once the voting is closed, the ballot box will be opened and the number of > ballots will be recorded and checked against the sign-in roster. Any > discrepancies will be resolved at that time (number should match since > pollworkers will observe voters from sign-in to casting of the paper > ballot). > > The PC set up for tabulation will have a barcode scanner attached and the > video will be projected on the wall for everyone to see -- with one > exception. The person scanning the ballots will have his/her back to the > projected screen image. Before scanning the barcode the ballot selection > will be read aloud (i.e., she'll say, "Obama" ... or whichever). Then the > barcode will be scanned and the count for the selected candidate will > increment. The ballot count will also be displayed and increment at the > same time. After all the ballots are scanned, the vote totals are done > and the number of ballots should equal the number displayed by the ballot > counter. > > If a barcode is scanned with the incorrect security code, the tabulator > should say "INVALID BALLOT -- SECURITY ID INCORRECT" > > If a barcode is scanned that has already been scanned, the tabulator > should say, "BALLOT ALREADY COUNTED." > > So, the barcode should encode a total of nine digits. > > xxxxyyyyz where xxxx is the security code, yyyy is the ballot id (where > the first digit is the voting machine number and the other three are > random and unique for the machine). z represents the candidate selected: > valid digits include 1-5 and 6 would be for write-in. > > VOTING MACHINE SOFTWARE > ------------------------------------------ > We want to use a live read-only Ubuntu CD. No harddrive necessary on the > voting machine and nothing will be recorded on the machine. The software > should have a set up procedure where the operator can enter one digit for > the machine id and four digits for the "security code." The operator will > set up the printer driver and print a test ballot. > > TABULATOR > ------------------ > Assume Ubuntu installed on harddrive of tabulation machine. The final > count should be printed as well as displayed. The tabulator will have > battery backup (laptop most likely). > > SUMMARY > ------------------ > We should be able to use your code for the barcode. Other than that, I > think we're talking about very few lines of code. I'd do it myself but I > haven't used Python, and time is very short. Optionally, we can > demonstrate the ballot prerendering idea. Also, optionally, we can demo > reading impaired interface. We plan to film this and there should be good > publicity possibilities -- maybe including television coverage. > > Can you help? Please call. > > Alan D. > 916-772-5360 _______________________________________________ OVC-discuss mailing list OVC-discuss at listman.sonic.net http://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/ovc-discuss By sending email to the OVC-discuss list, you thereby agree to release the content of your posts to the Public Domain--with the exception of copyrighted material quoted according to fair use, including publicly archiving at http://gnosis.python-hosting.com/voting-project/ -- Edward Cherlin Earth Treasury: End Poverty at a Profit http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay From lhawthorn at google.com Tue Jan 8 23:22:58 2008 From: lhawthorn at google.com (Leslie Hawthorn) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 14:22:58 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] please register for 1/10/08 meeting Message-ID: <4869cee70801081422w6220938fv9f9b64e090e54f3a@mail.gmail.com> Hello everyone, Please register to attend the Baypiggies meeting for Thursday, January 10th by close of business tomorrow, Wednesday, January 9th. If you are unable to pre-register, you can go ahead and sign in at Building 40 reception when you arrive. You can sign up on this wiki page: http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings We have secured a new space for the Baypiggies meetings in 2008, the Kiev Training room in Building 40. Please plan to pick up your attendee badge/sign in at Building 40 reception from here on out; if there is a room change in the future we will notify the list. Happy New Year! Best, LH -- Leslie Hawthorn Program Manager - Open Source Google Inc. http://code.google.com/opensource/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm in touch with them now; if others want to email Alan, do CC: me so we can all be in the loop together. -- Asheesh. -- No one knows what he can do till he tries. -- Publilius Syrus From lhawthorn at google.com Wed Jan 9 00:51:01 2008 From: lhawthorn at google.com (Leslie Hawthorn) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 15:51:01 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] please register for 1/10/08 meeting In-Reply-To: <4869cee70801081422w6220938fv9f9b64e090e54f3a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4869cee70801081422w6220938fv9f9b64e090e54f3a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4869cee70801081551u52d0afa4xda64ae601d323845@mail.gmail.com> Hi folks, My apologies, one small error. The meeting will be in Seville (B40, 2nd floor); only the July meeting will be in Kiev. You should still plan to check in at Building 40 reception when you arrive. Cheers, LH On Jan 8, 2008 2:22 PM, Leslie Hawthorn wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Please register to attend the Baypiggies meeting for Thursday, January > 10th by close of business tomorrow, Wednesday, January 9th. If you are > unable to pre-register, you can go ahead and sign in at Building 40 > reception when you arrive. You can sign up on this wiki page: > http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings > > We have secured a new space for the Baypiggies meetings in 2008, the Kiev > Training room in Building 40. Please plan to pick up your attendee > badge/sign in at Building 40 reception from here on out; if there is a room > change in the future we will notify the list. > > Happy New Year! > > Best, > LH > > -- > Leslie Hawthorn > Program Manager - Open Source > Google Inc. > > http://code.google.com/opensource/ -- Leslie Hawthorn Program Manager - Open Source Google Inc. http://code.google.com/opensource/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20080108/6f0a17e6/attachment.htm From cappy2112 at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 02:21:14 2008 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:21:14 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Editing The Wiki Message-ID: <8249c4ac0801081721lc059f4anfd02321fb7012733@mail.gmail.com> Please take care when editing the wiki ! Someone had deleted the meeting description I had entered for Jan 10, 2008. After this name was added # Shiqi Yang, Sunnyvale # the wiki was full of "CONFLICT" messages, I'm not sure what the implication is. For the wiki-meisters out there- does this wiki have a feature to put less-frequently edited text in a protected area, separate from the attendees? Thanks From mrbmahoney at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 04:41:44 2008 From: mrbmahoney at gmail.com (Brian Mahoney) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:41:44 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Dinner Announcement - Thursday, January 10, 6 pm Message-ID: <5538c19b0801081941p7c9b6486r7411d2d896f31bdd@mail.gmail.com> For Thursday, January 10, I can coordinate a pre-meeting dinner in Mountain View, before the BayPIGgies meeting at Google . Restaurant reservations may be sent to my email until Thursday afternoon (earlier is better). We eat family-style, there are vegetarian and non-vegetarian dishes. Cost around $10 per person, including tax and tip. Bring cash, please. Start dinner at 6pm and I will keep things moving so that we finish and get everyone headed towards Google to complete sign-in before the 7:30 meeting start. The restaurant is Cafe Yulong in downtown Mountain View (650) 960-1677 743 W Dana Street, 1/2 block from Castro where Books, Inc is on the corner. Parking lots all around, but downtown Mountain View parking is still difficult. It is a slightly out of the ordinary Chinese restaurant. This link has a downtown map and additional information. http://www.mountainviewca.net/restaurants/cafeyulong.html I've made reservations under "Python" for 6pm Thursday. If you wish to join us for dinner please e-mail me by 3 pm Thursday (earlier is better) so I may confirm the headcount. From wostner at cyberprof.com Wed Jan 9 06:58:40 2008 From: wostner at cyberprof.com (Ulf Wostner) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 21:58:40 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Greeting from Sunny In-Reply-To: <937489.17336.qm@web83202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <937489.17336.qm@web83202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200801082158.40919.wostner@cyberprof.com> Greetings Sunny, Good to hear from you! Happy New Year to you too! I though about you when some excitement was stirred about the E-8 (Lie) group possibly providing a theory-of-everything competing with string theory. Would be nice it it's true, but I don't see any leading scientists lining up behing that idea. Interesting with those awards. The Whitney Extension problem is beautiful, particularly now when we know it's true. Terence Tao remains one of my heroes, for sure. He gave a talk at MSRI some years back, as did Edward Whitten. Slides are at their site. I'm busy doing work in Python, and getting to ready to teach. In the fall I hope to be doing Math 70 Liberal Arts online, probably using the Moodle (open-soure, of course) Course Management Software. The CS Dept just asked me to sub for a few weeks doing their CS 170 Artificial Intelligence course. I'll start out with logic and later introduce Lisp, and by then the regular prof will hopefully be back on his feet again. What are you doing these days? I remember you making a video in the class room before Math 115. Are you in Hollywood now? Later, UW On Tue Jan 8 2008 21:29:44 SN wrote: > Hi, Professor Wostner, > > First of all, happy new year to you! > > I was student (Sunny) in your 07 Spring semester 115 Discrete Math . I am > writing just to have a chick chat with you about the fresh AMS news--2008 > Prizes. I noticed something interesting that most of 2008's big research > prizes winners have direct or indirect connections with Princeton. > According to hearsay, Princeton and IAS have crucial influences on many of > the big prizes decisions. One of the titans in mathematics, Charles > Fefferman, was awarded the Bocher with Andrew Bressan of Penn State and > Carlos Kenig of Chicago. I heard that Fefferman's sensational work on the > Whitney's Extention Problem was extremely technical. He was already famous > without the Bocher, being one of the youngest Fields Medalists and the > youngest full professor American higher education ever made (much younger > than Terry Tao compared with the relative prize granted ages). The > Whitney's problem had stood unsolved for a long time, not even Whitney, the > reputable analyst, himself was able to get it settled. Another star (young > blood) is Manjul Bhargava--Andew Wiles' student. More details on AMS's > website http://www.ams.org/ams/prizebooklet-2008.pdf > I am not sure if you would find this news exciting. I know you are always > busy with teaching and school administrative (programming?) work so you may > not have time to browse the current news. > > Hope you have a wonderful new year. Talk to you later when I run into > you. > > Sincerely, > Sunny From wostner at cyberprof.com Wed Jan 9 07:08:37 2008 From: wostner at cyberprof.com (Ulf Wostner) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:08:37 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Greeting from Sunny In-Reply-To: <200801082158.40919.wostner@cyberprof.com> References: <937489.17336.qm@web83202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200801082158.40919.wostner@cyberprof.com> Message-ID: <200801082208.37580.wostner@cyberprof.com> Dear BayPiggies folks, Very sorry about the accidental email. Need to debug my address book. Ulf From mac at Wireless.Com Wed Jan 9 07:24:52 2008 From: mac at Wireless.Com (Mike Cheponis) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:24:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baypiggies] Greeting from Sunny In-Reply-To: <200801082208.37580.wostner@cyberprof.com> References: <937489.17336.qm@web83202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200801082158.40919.wostner@cyberprof.com> <200801082208.37580.wostner@cyberprof.com> Message-ID: You also may want to consider debugging the USER of the address book. ;-) -mac p.s. to the humor-impaired: the ";-)" symbol means that the preceeding comment is meant as a joke, and is NOT serious. It's a joke, OK? Thanks. On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Ulf Wostner wrote: > Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 22:08:37 -0800 > From: Ulf Wostner > To: baypiggies at python.org > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Greeting from Sunny > > Dear BayPiggies folks, > > Very sorry about the accidental email. Need to debug my address book. > > Ulf From guido at python.org Thu Jan 10 19:54:11 2008 From: guido at python.org (Guido van Rossum) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:54:11 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] please register for 1/10/08 meeting In-Reply-To: <4869cee70801081551u52d0afa4xda64ae601d323845@mail.gmail.com> References: <4869cee70801081422w6220938fv9f9b64e090e54f3a@mail.gmail.com> <4869cee70801081551u52d0afa4xda64ae601d323845@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Can someone update the baypiggies website with the new room info? It still says Tunis. On Jan 8, 2008 3:51 PM, Leslie Hawthorn wrote: > Hi folks, > > My apologies, one small error. The meeting will be in Seville (B40, 2nd > floor); only the July meeting will be in Kiev. You should still plan to > check in at Building 40 reception when you arrive. > > Cheers, > LH > > > > On Jan 8, 2008 2:22 PM, Leslie Hawthorn wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > Please register to attend the Baypiggies meeting for Thursday, January > 10th by close of business tomorrow, Wednesday, January 9th. If you are > unable to pre-register, you can go ahead and sign in at Building 40 > reception when you arrive. You can sign up on this wiki page: > http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings > > > > We have secured a new space for the Baypiggies meetings in 2008, the Kiev > Training room in Building 40. Please plan to pick up your attendee > badge/sign in at Building 40 reception from here on out; if there is a room > change in the future we will notify the list. > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > Best, > > LH > > > > -- > > Leslie Hawthorn > > Program Manager - Open Source > > Google Inc. > > > > http://code.google.com/opensource/ > > > > -- > Leslie Hawthorn > Program Manager - Open Source > Google Inc. > > http://code.google.com/opensource/ > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From donnamsnow at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 21:21:27 2008 From: donnamsnow at gmail.com (Donna Snow) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:21:27 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] please register for 1/10/08 meeting In-Reply-To: References: <4869cee70801081422w6220938fv9f9b64e090e54f3a@mail.gmail.com> <4869cee70801081551u52d0afa4xda64ae601d323845@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Looks like someone beat me to it :-) Do you want to leave commenting on the front door of the site? Also, I had an idea the other day... just a thought.. How about a "featured" member portlet.. on the home page.. They'd have to be regular attendees to the physical meetings (and no.. don't have to put up a photo if you don't want too.. we can put up something like "Too shy for photo" image).. The portlet would lead to their member home page where they can talk about their favorite projects.. and people can comment on them? What do you think?? Donna On Jan 10, 2008 10:54 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > Can someone update the baypiggies website with the new room info? It > still says Tunis. > > > On Jan 8, 2008 3:51 PM, Leslie Hawthorn wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > My apologies, one small error. The meeting will be in Seville (B40, 2nd > > floor); only the July meeting will be in Kiev. You should still plan to > > check in at Building 40 reception when you arrive. > > > > Cheers, > > LH > > > > > > > > On Jan 8, 2008 2:22 PM, Leslie Hawthorn wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > Please register to attend the Baypiggies meeting for Thursday, January > > 10th by close of business tomorrow, Wednesday, January 9th. If you are > > unable to pre-register, you can go ahead and sign in at Building 40 > > reception when you arrive. You can sign up on this wiki page: > > http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings > > > > > > We have secured a new space for the Baypiggies meetings in 2008, the Kiev > > Training room in Building 40. Please plan to pick up your attendee > > badge/sign in at Building 40 reception from here on out; if there is a room > > change in the future we will notify the list. > > > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > > > Best, > > > LH > > > > > > -- > > > Leslie Hawthorn > > > Program Manager - Open Source > > > Google Inc. > > > > > > http://code.google.com/opensource/ > > > > > > > > -- > > Leslie Hawthorn > > Program Manager - Open Source > > Google Inc. > > > > http://code.google.com/opensource/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > > > -- > --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From john at cellspinsoft.com Thu Jan 10 23:11:25 2008 From: john at cellspinsoft.com (John Menerick) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:11:25 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] please register for 1/10/08 meeting In-Reply-To: References: <4869cee70801081422w6220938fv9f9b64e090e54f3a@mail.gmail.com> <4869cee70801081551u52d0afa4xda64ae601d323845@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3b9650f60801101411q677cf933s2a854ba3c75f369f@mail.gmail.com> Great idea on the featured member portlet. However, what are your thoughts on the selection process for those who should be featured? John On 1/10/08, Donna Snow wrote: > > Looks like someone beat me to it :-) > > Do you want to leave commenting on the front door of the site? > > Also, I had an idea the other day... just a thought.. > > How about a "featured" member portlet.. on the home page.. > > They'd have to be regular attendees to the physical meetings (and no.. > don't have to put up a photo if you don't want too.. we can put up > something like "Too shy for photo" image).. > The portlet would lead to their member home page where they can talk > about their favorite projects.. and people can comment on them? What > do you think?? > > Donna > > On Jan 10, 2008 10:54 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > Can someone update the baypiggies website with the new room info? It > > still says Tunis. > > > > > > On Jan 8, 2008 3:51 PM, Leslie Hawthorn wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > My apologies, one small error. The meeting will be in Seville (B40, > 2nd > > > floor); only the July meeting will be in Kiev. You should still plan > to > > > check in at Building 40 reception when you arrive. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > LH > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 8, 2008 2:22 PM, Leslie Hawthorn wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > Please register to attend the Baypiggies meeting for Thursday, > January > > > 10th by close of business tomorrow, Wednesday, January 9th. If you > are > > > unable to pre-register, you can go ahead and sign in at Building 40 > > > reception when you arrive. You can sign up on this wiki page: > > > http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings > > > > > > > > We have secured a new space for the Baypiggies meetings in 2008, the > Kiev > > > Training room in Building 40. Please plan to pick up your attendee > > > badge/sign in at Building 40 reception from here on out; if there is a > room > > > change in the future we will notify the list. > > > > > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > LH > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Leslie Hawthorn > > > > Program Manager - Open Source > > > > Google Inc. > > > > > > > > http://code.google.com/opensource/ > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Leslie Hawthorn > > > Program Manager - Open Source > > > Google Inc. > > > > > > http://code.google.com/opensource/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Baypiggies mailing list > > > Baypiggies at python.org > > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20080110/d2ae26fc/attachment.htm From guido at python.org Fri Jan 11 04:27:52 2008 From: guido at python.org (Guido van Rossum) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:27:52 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] please register for 1/10/08 meeting In-Reply-To: <4869cee70801081551u52d0afa4xda64ae601d323845@mail.gmail.com> References: <4869cee70801081422w6220938fv9f9b64e090e54f3a@mail.gmail.com> <4869cee70801081551u52d0afa4xda64ae601d323845@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: And more apologies for another error -- the JANUARY meeting is in Kiev, not July's. Other meetings will indeed be in Seville. On Jan 8, 2008 3:51 PM, Leslie Hawthorn wrote: > Hi folks, > > My apologies, one small error. The meeting will be in Seville (B40, 2nd > floor); only the July meeting will be in Kiev. You should still plan to > check in at Building 40 reception when you arrive. > > Cheers, > LH > > > > On Jan 8, 2008 2:22 PM, Leslie Hawthorn wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > Please register to attend the Baypiggies meeting for Thursday, January > 10th by close of business tomorrow, Wednesday, January 9th. If you are > unable to pre-register, you can go ahead and sign in at Building 40 > reception when you arrive. You can sign up on this wiki page: > http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings > > > > We have secured a new space for the Baypiggies meetings in 2008, the Kiev > Training room in Building 40. Please plan to pick up your attendee > badge/sign in at Building 40 reception from here on out; if there is a room > change in the future we will notify the list. > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > Best, > > LH > > > > -- > > Leslie Hawthorn > > Program Manager - Open Source > > Google Inc. > > > > http://code.google.com/opensource/ > > > > -- > Leslie Hawthorn > Program Manager - Open Source > Google Inc. > > http://code.google.com/opensource/ > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From donnamsnow at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 05:10:18 2008 From: donnamsnow at gmail.com (Donna Snow) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:10:18 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] please register for 1/10/08 meeting In-Reply-To: References: <4869cee70801081422w6220938fv9f9b64e090e54f3a@mail.gmail.com> <4869cee70801081551u52d0afa4xda64ae601d323845@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Well with the size of our group..I'm leaning towards making it 2 or 3 members.. The first month..I think Guido, Alex and Aahz should be featured... then we can randomly select three others for February.. or let people "nominate" themselves or others.. and then vote? Your choice.. either way.. I'll make the portlet so it can be updated by any editor in the site.. Donna On Jan 10, 2008 7:27 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > And more apologies for another error -- the JANUARY meeting is in > Kiev, not July's. Other meetings will indeed be in Seville. > > > On Jan 8, 2008 3:51 PM, Leslie Hawthorn wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > My apologies, one small error. The meeting will be in Seville (B40, 2nd > > floor); only the July meeting will be in Kiev. You should still plan to > > check in at Building 40 reception when you arrive. > > > > Cheers, > > LH > > > > > > > > On Jan 8, 2008 2:22 PM, Leslie Hawthorn wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > Please register to attend the Baypiggies meeting for Thursday, January > > 10th by close of business tomorrow, Wednesday, January 9th. If you are > > unable to pre-register, you can go ahead and sign in at Building 40 > > reception when you arrive. You can sign up on this wiki page: > > http://wiki.python.org/moin/BayPiggiesGoogleMeetings > > > > > > We have secured a new space for the Baypiggies meetings in 2008, the Kiev > > Training room in Building 40. Please plan to pick up your attendee > > badge/sign in at Building 40 reception from here on out; if there is a room > > change in the future we will notify the list. > > > > > > Happy New Year! > > > > > > Best, > > > LH > > > > > > -- > > > Leslie Hawthorn > > > Program Manager - Open Source > > > Google Inc. > > > > > > http://code.google.com/opensource/ > > > > > > > > -- > > Leslie Hawthorn > > Program Manager - Open Source > > Google Inc. > > > > http://code.google.com/opensource/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > > > -- > --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From jim at well.com Fri Jan 11 17:43:57 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:43:57 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] OLPC get-together at SF-State Saturday, 20080112 Message-ID: <476cbc6fd7978419186c5d9702fef69d@well.com> (note that Charles Merriam is hosting a similar OLPC get-together in Saratoga this saturday, too.) Calling all San Francisco Bay Area OLPC enthusiasts! If you have an XO laptop, or are just interested in seeing how they work, come on down to SF State campus for a get together this Saturday. If you have an XO or two (or ten), bring them! If not, bring your enthusiasm. What: OLPC meet at San Francisco State University Why: Curiosity, strength in numbers, plain fun! When: Saturday, January 12, 2008 from 10am to 2pm Where: Burk Hall 352, SF State main campus (1600 Holloway Ave. San Francisco, CA 94132). Map: http://www.sfsu.edu/~sfsumap/ By car: http://www.sfsu.edu/~parking/directions/main_campus/car.html By Muni: http://www.sfsu.edu/~parking/directions/main_campus/muni.html Who: Sponsored by IMSA Student Association (http://imsa.sfsu.edu). RSVP would be appreciated. sverma at sfsu.edu Same announcement on the web at http://opensource.sfsu.edu/node/445 From amax at redsymbol.net Fri Jan 11 18:14:06 2008 From: amax at redsymbol.net (Aaron Maxwell) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:14:06 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Mesh networking slides from last night's meeting Message-ID: <200801110914.06175.amax@redsymbol.net> Hi all, I have a page devoted to the mesh networking segment of last night's presentation, with slides and other fun prizes: http://www.redsymbol.net/talks/olpc-mesh-2008-01-10/ -Aaron -- Aaron Maxwell http://redsymbol.net Business Owners and Self-Employed: You're NOT Alone! The Business Butler - http://businessbutler.us From riazrizvi at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 19:57:30 2008 From: riazrizvi at gmail.com (Riaz Rizvi) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:57:30 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] PYTHON INNOVATORS SOCIETY Message-ID: PYTHON INNOVATORS SOCIETY This is a call for a roundtable of Pythonistas who want to get together to help each other make solutions with the world's ultimate prototyping tool. Standalone applications, web applications, components, whatever. During meetings we would help each other * analyze a need * brainstorm a solution * demonstrate a prototype * refine code * bring to market Please express your interest to me and mention an innovation that you like (I'm a big fan of spreadsheets, Sid's Civilization and del.icio.us) Riaz Rizvi -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20080111/1b18d08f/attachment.htm From riazrizvi at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 00:45:29 2008 From: riazrizvi at gmail.com (Riaz Rizvi) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:45:29 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] PYTHON INNOVATORS SOCIETY Message-ID: I was looking for http://superhappydevhouse.org/ Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20080111/7a0da4d0/attachment.htm From charles.merriam at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 15:44:42 2008 From: charles.merriam at gmail.com (Charles Merriam) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 06:44:42 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Charles' Checklist for XO Hacking Day 1 Message-ID: Charles' Checklist for XO Hacking Day ===================================== Hopefully we should have everyone get through this list by the end of the hacking day. It should be a good starting point. BASIC PLAYING AROUND Make a spiro-graph type piece of art in TurtleArt. Use loops, not just repeated clicks. Run both EToys tutorials that are included Run some of the Pippy examples. Install a PDF and use it as an EBook reader, including turning the screen around and rotating the display. MESH NETWORKING PLAYING AROUND Join a mesh network. Browse the Internet when on a mesh network and not a direct connection. Invite friends and run the chat program. Collaborate on a drawing and on editing a document. Share a browsing session. Run the distance measuring system. Run Tam Tam Jam Together Read the Getting Started pages Install an application included on your XO Install an application not included on your XO TWEAKING THE SYSTEM Read the "Cheat Keys" section of the wiki. Find the game of life. Run the diagnostics. Read the "Keyboard Short-cuts" section of the wiki. Complain about the 'view source' button. Jump back and forth between shells. Restart Sugar. Flash the firmware to the lastest stable version. This should prevent the nasty problem with losing the clock battery. Upgrade the OS to the lasted stable version (653) Sign up for a developers key Find IRC from a laptop and join FreeNet's #olpc channel HACKING CODE Read the "Hacking Sugar" article. Get the "Hello World" activity running. Make a "Flashlight" code that turns the screen a few different colors. Use GStreamer to capture and play a video snippet. Read through some of the Chat source at the source code repository. From charles.merriam at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 17:14:24 2008 From: charles.merriam at gmail.com (Charles Merriam) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 08:14:24 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Reminder: XO Hacking Today in Saratoga Message-ID: WHAT: Hacking with the OLPC, Python, and the Sugar Environment. BRING: Your OLPC (XO) if you have one, and a laptop if you have one. WHY: You want to play with an OLPC, or want to start developing for it. WHEN: Saturday, January 12, 2008. Starting at 10 a.m., going until we stop. CHILDREN: The house is generally kid-safe, and we have a four year old and a baby. Usually, the more kids the merrier, but check in with us first at charles.merriam at gmail.com. WHERE: My house. It's next to Westgate mall in Saratoga. RSVP for directions. WHY Again: It's fun. The skill levels will be all over the map, and I hope the house gives a relaxed atmosphere for us to all make mistakes. RSVP: Please. charles.merriam at gmail.com. If you forget to RSVP, call first for directions/space. Email with any questions to charles.merriam at gmail.com, or call me at 408.368.6050 FYI: I'll also be at the SuperHappyDevHouse on January 5th. I expect several OLPC's to be in residence. From donnamsnow at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 21:03:38 2008 From: donnamsnow at gmail.com (Donna Snow) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:03:38 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] News & Events on the baypiggies site Message-ID: Hi, I wanted to let those who use the new baypiggies site know about a couple features.. that can be utilized. When you login.. and go to "My Folder" there is a drop down called "add item" .. You can add a "News item" or an "Event item" fill out the form and then save... to have it published on the site.. there is a 'state' drop down.. click "make visible" then click publish.. I believe all members of the site have this capability.. also when you save the event or news item.. and you want to allow discussion at the bottom above the save button.. is a discussion field with three radio buttons.. select "enable" For example.. I just posted charles event on the site .. if you click on his event.. there is a vcard to the right.. where you can click on an ical icon and download it to your calendar.. Let me know how this works.. I haven't tried it yet... I'm still trying to override some of the unreadable stuff on the site... Donna From donnamsnow at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 21:09:45 2008 From: donnamsnow at gmail.com (Donna Snow) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:09:45 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] one more thing Message-ID: Please don't forget to move old meeting info to the meeting archive page when updating the new meeting.. I can add CMFEditions to the site if that'll help (it's a versioning product for Plone) if not.. please make sure you capture that info..the last one up there is August... :-) Donna From rdm at cfcl.com Sun Jan 13 02:51:02 2008 From: rdm at cfcl.com (Rich Morin) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:51:02 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] (Capistrano) PeepCode & Pizza, Thursday 1/24 Message-ID: Free Food! Free Movies! Free Software! We'll be showing the PeepCode screencast on Capistrano 2.1: Capistrano 2 is a tool for automating the deployment of your application to a server. You can also automate many other monotonous server-maintenance tasks. It is written in Ruby, but can be used to deploy any kind of web application. -- http://peepcode.com/products/capistrano-2 And, if that isn't enough, you'll have a chance to try out WAVEscape, a gesture-based, 3D interaction technology that Reactrix introduced last week at CES 2008: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7UR4wjUz8g (video) After an hour of pizza, palaver, and panda punching (see the YouTube video linked above), we'll settle down for the video, allowing occasional pauses for questions, etc. Reactrix uses Capistrano, so we can answer _some_ questions. We're also hoping that some helpful wizards may show up... PeepCode & Pizza gatherings are sponsored by PeepCode and Reactrix Systems. The meeting will be held at the Reactrix offices in Redwood City from 6-9 pm on Thursday, January 24. About PeepCode and Reactrix Systems PeepCode (http://peepcode.com) produces economical, well- produced screencasts on technical topics (e.g., Capistrano, Git, httperf, Prototype.js, Rails, RJS, rSpec, TextMate). Reactrix develops and supports video-based advertising devices, featuring interactive content. Generally, these are placed in malls, theaters, etc. We use numerous Open Source technologies, including C++, Capistrano, Git, Linux, OpenGL, Perl, Rails, and Ruby. Yes, we're hiring! http://www.reactrix.com/ http://www.reactrix.com/index.php http://www.reactrix.com/careers.php http://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=QzsQKULMbiU (video) When: Tuesday, January 24, 2007 6p - 7p chat, munch pizza, punch pandas, etc. 7p - 9p watch and discuss a PeepCode screencast 9p - ?? retire (perhaps) to a local pub NOTE: RSVPs (rdm at cfcl.com) are greatly appreciated; help us to know how much pizza (and what kind) to order! Where: Reactrix Systems, Inc. 650-980-2700 301 Chesapeake Drive Redwood City, CA Map: http://tinyurl.com/27b22y Directions: http://www.reactrix.com/driving_directions.php Cheap Food! Cheap Talk! Also, as usual, the Beer And Scripting SIG will be held on the 4th Wednesday: http://cfcl.com/rdm/bass/ -- http://www.cfcl.com/rdm Rich Morin http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/resume rdm at cfcl.com http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/weblog +1 650-873-7841 Technical editing and writing, programming, and web development From guido at python.org Sun Jan 13 05:13:34 2008 From: guido at python.org (Guido van Rossum) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:13:34 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] (Capistrano) PeepCode & Pizza, Thursday 1/24 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rich, Maybe you meant to post this to the bay area Ruby Interest Group's mailing list? --Guido On Jan 12, 2008 5:51 PM, Rich Morin wrote: > > Free Food! Free Movies! Free Software! > > > We'll be showing the PeepCode screencast on Capistrano 2.1: > > Capistrano 2 is a tool for automating the deployment of > your application to a server. You can also automate > many other monotonous server-maintenance tasks. It is > written in Ruby, but can be used to deploy any kind of > web application. > > -- http://peepcode.com/products/capistrano-2 > > > And, if that isn't enough, you'll have a chance to try out > WAVEscape, a gesture-based, 3D interaction technology that > Reactrix introduced last week at CES 2008: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7UR4wjUz8g (video) > > > After an hour of pizza, palaver, and panda punching (see the > YouTube video linked above), we'll settle down for the video, > allowing occasional pauses for questions, etc. Reactrix uses > Capistrano, so we can answer _some_ questions. We're also > hoping that some helpful wizards may show up... > > PeepCode & Pizza gatherings are sponsored by PeepCode and > Reactrix Systems. The meeting will be held at the Reactrix > offices in Redwood City from 6-9 pm on Thursday, January 24. > > > About PeepCode and Reactrix Systems > > PeepCode (http://peepcode.com) produces economical, well- > produced screencasts on technical topics (e.g., Capistrano, > Git, httperf, Prototype.js, Rails, RJS, rSpec, TextMate). > > Reactrix develops and supports video-based advertising devices, > featuring interactive content. Generally, these are placed in > malls, theaters, etc. We use numerous Open Source technologies, > including C++, Capistrano, Git, Linux, OpenGL, Perl, Rails, and > Ruby. Yes, we're hiring! > > http://www.reactrix.com/ > http://www.reactrix.com/index.php > http://www.reactrix.com/careers.php > http://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=QzsQKULMbiU (video) > > > When: > > Tuesday, January 24, 2007 > > 6p - 7p chat, munch pizza, punch pandas, etc. > > 7p - 9p watch and discuss a PeepCode screencast > > 9p - ?? retire (perhaps) to a local pub > > > NOTE: RSVPs (rdm at cfcl.com) are greatly appreciated; help > us to know how much pizza (and what kind) to order! > > > Where: > > Reactrix Systems, Inc. 650-980-2700 > 301 Chesapeake Drive > Redwood City, CA > > Map: http://tinyurl.com/27b22y > Directions: http://www.reactrix.com/driving_directions.php > > > > Cheap Food! Cheap Talk! > > Also, as usual, the Beer And Scripting SIG will be held on the > 4th Wednesday: http://cfcl.com/rdm/bass/ > > -- > http://www.cfcl.com/rdm Rich Morin > http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/resume rdm at cfcl.com > http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/weblog +1 650-873-7841 > > Technical editing and writing, programming, and web development > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From rdm at cfcl.com Sun Jan 13 05:59:22 2008 From: rdm at cfcl.com (Rich Morin) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:59:22 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] (Capistrano) PeepCode & Pizza, Thursday 1/24 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 20:13 -0800 1/12/08, Guido van Rossum wrote: > Maybe you meant to post this to the bay area Ruby Interest > Group's mailing list? Actually, no. I use tools that are written in any number of languages (even Python :-). My assumption is that some of the folks on this list could use a scriptable tool for deployment of web and other content. If this isn't true enough to keep this note from being considered spam, I apologize. Unfortunately, Parrot is still unavailable, so we aren't able to share library code between Perl / Python / Ruby / ... The Unix command line is quite willing to execute commands in just about any language, however, and has been for decades... -r P.S. Speaking of Python-based tools, however, check out SAGE: http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -- http://www.cfcl.com/rdm Rich Morin http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/resume rdm at cfcl.com http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/weblog +1 650-873-7841 Technical editing and writing, programming, and web development From aahz at pythoncraft.com Sun Jan 13 06:03:11 2008 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:03:11 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] OSCON 2008 Call for Proposals Message-ID: <20080113050311.GA1755@panix.com> The O'Reilly Open Source Convention (OSCON) is accepting proposals for tutorials and presentations. The submission period ends Feb 4. OSCON 2008 will be in Portland, Oregon July 21-25. For more information and to submit a proposal, see http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/ -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ Weinberg's Second Law: If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization. From aahz at pythoncraft.com Sun Jan 13 06:14:43 2008 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:14:43 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] (Capistrano) PeepCode & Pizza, Thursday 1/24 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080113051443.GA18233@panix.com> On Sat, Jan 12, 2008, Rich Morin wrote: > At 20:13 -0800 1/12/08, Guido van Rossum wrote: >> >> Maybe you meant to post this to the bay area Ruby Interest >> Group's mailing list? > > Actually, no. I use tools that are written in any number of languages > (even Python :-). My assumption is that some of the folks on this list > could use a scriptable tool for deployment of web and other content. > If this isn't true enough to keep this note from being considered > spam, I apologize. Speaking as the former list admin, I thought it was borderline, but the list is low volume and Python people tend to be an eclectic bunch. Overall, if you asked me, I would suggest not posting it, but I wouldn't object, either. -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection." --Butler Lampson From john_re at fastmail.us Sun Jan 13 06:16:09 2008 From: john_re at fastmail.us (john_re) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 21:16:09 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] KDE 4 Release Event- Google HQ & worldwide- Jan 17-19 2008 Message-ID: <1200201369.3017.1230932543@webmail.messagingengine.com> ===== ORGANIZE YOUR OWN LOCAL KDE4 RELEASE ===== PARTY/EVENT/GET-TOGETHER, THIS January 17-19, 2008, ===== OR ATTEND AT GOOGLE HQ MT. VIEW CALIFORNIA: KDE 4 is having a release party/event January 17-19, 2008 at the main Google HQ in Mt. View, California, USA. Come attend (see pre-registration info below), or organize your local event! I am merely an interested attendee for this event - this announcement is unofficial, just my own effort to spread word about this event, in the hopes that others worldwide might also organize some get-togethers to share in the knowledge generated. :) You could be the person to organize your own local event! Please also notify your friends & interested persons - feel free to use this announcement text. :) ===== OFFICIAL EVENT URLs: KDE 4.0 release parties - worldwide! http://kde.org/kde-4.0-release-event/#parties-worldwide Events/KDE4ReleaseParties http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Events/KDE4ReleaseParties KDE 4.0 Release Event; January 17 ? 19, 2008; Google Campus http://kde.org/kde-4.0-release-event/ ===== OFFICIAL RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENT: http://kde.org/kde-4.0-release-event/#info "In mid January 2008, the mojo of the KDE community will - for one weekend - move to Mountain View, California, where Google Inc. invited the KDE project to celebrate its KDE 4.0 Release Event as a three day conference on the Google campus. Aside from being a conference for Community members from America and around the world, we explicitly invite press and our partners in the IT industry to come, see and feel the spirit of free software and KDE. A whole day will be dedicated to this important audience, hosting the official KDE 4.0 launch keynote held by Aaron Seigo and other talks on the principles and innovations of KDE, ending with a great KDE 4.0 Release Party! This will be the first time for the international KDE project to have a conference of that size held in America, which is a great chance for the American KDE community - contributors as well as users - to come together and discuss the future of KDE. You are community, so be there to meet the makers of your favorite desktop environment, and discuss your ideas and proposals to make it even better! But better be fast, as the number of attendees is limited to 200 people." ---- My comment: Personally, though Google generously is hosting this for 200 people, I think it would be great if 1000 or 10000 people showed up. Presumably Google would limit their facilities to the 200 registered people, but there is public parkland across the street, IIRC, - who knows - it could be a KDE be-in! :) ===== COME TO THE GOOGLE CAMPUS - PRE-REGISTRATION REQUIRED? If you can come to Mt View, California, for the attendee organized meetings, I think that would be great. http://kde.org/kde-4.0-release-event/#registration "Are you part of the KDE community? Are you interested in free software? Do you cover I.T. or free culture in the press industry? Are you involved with an organization that partners with KDE or free software? You should definitely consider attending our 4.0 Release Event in Mountain View. The primary event is to be held on January 18, 2008, with community meetings the day before and the day after. To Register: Simply send an email to the KDE Release Team listing: 1. Who you are (and if you represent an organization) 2. How many people will be attending with you and their names 3. What days you'll be attending 4. Who will need hotel lodging for the 17th and/or 18th It's that simple." ===== BASIC SCHEDULE: Thurs 17 - Attendee organized community meetings Fri 18 - Media announcements Sat 19 - Attendee organized community meetings Preliminary event schedule http://kde.org/kde-4.0-release-event/#info ===== SPREAD THE WORD TO OTHER FRIENDS & LUGs: I will be making one attempt to send this message to the following locations. It would be great if you would notify other LUGs in your nearby, or other, locations. Feel free to copy this message if you wish! :) [Would you please cc me if you send this email on? I'm curious to know if it gets to any other groups. Thanks. :) ] California: SVLUG (SiliconValley), BayLISA (Mt View?), LUGOD (Davis), BayLUG(SanFrancisco), PenLUG (FosterCity?), LA, Fresno, Sacramento, Redding, Stanford, Berkeley, CABAL USA: Nevada, Oregon, Washington, Arizona, NY, Atlanta ===== KDE ANNOUNCEMENTS ABOUT KDE4 & RELEASE EVENTS KDE 4.0 available http://kde.org/announcements/4.0/ KDE 4.0 Release Event anuary 17 ? 19, 2008 Gogle Campus http://kde.org/kde-4.0-release-event/#header KDE 4.0 release parties - worldwide! http://kde.org/kde-4.0-release-event/#parties-worldwide Events/KDE4ReleaseParties http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Events/KDE4ReleaseParties ===== POSSIBLE GOOGLE HOST LOCATIONS?: I certainly can't speak for Google, but perhaps if you ask nicely they might agree to provide a meeting room for your local KDE4 release event? They have offices USA & world wide. Students > North America > Google Locations http://www.google.com/support/jobs/bin/static.py?page=students.html&sid=locations Google Offices - US & Worldwide http://www.google.com/corporate/address.html Explore our offices - By Country http://www.google.com/support/jobs/bin/static.py?page=about.html&about=locations ===== COULD SOMEONE SET UP A MAILING LIST, IRC CHANNEL ===== OR LIVE VIDEOCONFERENCE? ===== If you want to contact me you'll need to cc or email me directly, since I won't be subscribed to any list I post this to. Best wishes. :) John -- john_re at fastmail.us -- http://www.fastmail.fm - IMAP accessible web-mail From mobiledreamers at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 05:30:39 2008 From: mobiledreamers at gmail.com (mobiledreamers at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:30:39 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Neotonic trakken python based email repsonse management software Message-ID: Hello I am really interested in using Neotonic trakken for our team I found that neotonic doesnt exist anymore is it possible to use that software or is there something similar to neotonic trakken thanks mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20080113/720f0377/attachment.htm From echerlin at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 03:30:57 2008 From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:30:57 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Fwd: [sugar] Activity Handbook In-Reply-To: <478B6DFB.7020201@student.tuwien.ac.at> References: <478B6DFB.7020201@student.tuwien.ac.at> Message-ID: Following up on our recent meeting: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Christoph Derndorfer Date: Jan 14, 2008 6:13 AM Subject: [sugar] Activity Handbook To: devel at lists.laptop.org Cc: sugar at lists.laptop.org Hello all, we finally managed to finish the first few chapters of the Activity Handbook that we've been working on. The purpose of this handbook is to provide you with all the information you need in order to get started with software development for the OLPC XO. The current draft includes the first four chapters... # Welcome to the Activity Handbook! # Introduction to Sugar # Preparation # Sugar Basics ..which basically serve as an introduction to Sugar, to setting up your machine for Sugar development (emulation, sugar-jhbuild, Live-CDs) and writting a simple HelloWorld activity. We're going to expand the handbook over the coming weeks to include chapters about using the journal, collaboration, using the various XO input devices and sugarizing software. So stay tuned for updates! You can find the Activity Handbook project page (with more information about the project, how you can contribute, etc.) at http://www.olpcaustria.org/mediawiki/index.php/Activity_handbook and in case you're feeling lazy you can simply click on the following link for a direct pdf download: http://www.olpcaustria.org/mediawiki/upload/a/af/Handbook_20080113.pdf Please let us know what you think! Best regards, Christoph _______________________________________________ Sugar mailing list Sugar at lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay From aahz at pythoncraft.com Tue Jan 15 18:44:44 2008 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:44:44 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Web Developer, Redwood City Message-ID: <20080115174444.GA16587@panix.com> My company is looking to hire a Python programmer to work on our web application. I've been working here for 3.5 years, and I still think it's the best job I've ever had. Our servers are all Linux, our workstations are all Macs, and we (mostly) don't do death marches (really). For more info and to apply, see http://jobs.PageDNA.com/index.cfm You can also send me private e-mail. -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection." --Butler Lampson From charles.merriam at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 23:14:15 2008 From: charles.merriam at gmail.com (Charles Merriam) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:14:15 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Presentation slides and notes are now availabe. Message-ID: Hello Everyone, You can find the slides from last week's talk: "Hope & Hacking: The XO Story" here: http://charlesmerriam.com/talk You can also find the video and slide from last month's talk: "Python Buzzword Compliance: Exploring Python through about 20 Buzzwords" in the same place. There are now two versions of the slides for this talk; the original presented slides (62 slides) and a version with all the notes and links added as extra slides (123 slides). The latter serves as a better reference. Slides are available in PDF, HTML, and OpenOffice formats. Have a great day! Charles Merriam From jim at well.com Wed Jan 16 02:22:42 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:22:42 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] an interesting OLPC web page Message-ID: it's not directly python related, but given bayPIGgies' interest, seems important: what to do with your new OLPC XO box, including instructions for upgrading firmware (rumor warns: be sure your XO battery is fully charged and your XO is plugged in before upgrading firmware): http://frombob.to/XO/ From sjbrown at vmware.com Wed Jan 16 17:51:41 2008 From: sjbrown at vmware.com (Shandy Brown) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:51:41 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] OLPC XO Shipping Message-ID: <1200502301.2055.3.camel@sbrown-dev2> Hi All. I'm wondering if any baypiggies have had trouble getting their XO laptops shipped to them? I ordered mine in November, and tracked the package; it got to Menlo Park then got returned because of a "bad address". I've sent several emails to the OLPC support, with no response beyond the automatic "we are very busy blah blah" response. Anyone having similar issues? Any advice? Shandy From aleax at google.com Wed Jan 16 18:50:44 2008 From: aleax at google.com (Alex Martelli) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:50:44 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] OLPC XO Shipping In-Reply-To: <1200502301.2055.3.camel@sbrown-dev2> References: <1200502301.2055.3.camel@sbrown-dev2> Message-ID: <55dc209b0801160950o3f860798y547865ff5245a1bc@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 16, 2008 8:51 AM, Shandy Brown wrote: > Hi All. > > I'm wondering if any baypiggies have had trouble getting their XO > laptops shipped to them? > > I ordered mine in November, and tracked the package; it got to Menlo > Park then got returned because of a "bad address". I've sent several > emails to the OLPC support, with no response beyond the automatic "we > are very busy blah blah" response. > > Anyone having similar issues? Any advice? Very similar experience here, except that mine got to San Jose (rather than Palo Alto as it should have) before going back for similar reasons. No response from OLPC support here either (and I'm pretty bummed about it, too). Alex From charles.merriam at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 18:54:54 2008 From: charles.merriam at gmail.com (Charles Merriam) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:54:54 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] OLPC XO Shipping In-Reply-To: <1200502301.2055.3.camel@sbrown-dev2> References: <1200502301.2055.3.camel@sbrown-dev2> Message-ID: Oddly, the people who ordered on day 2 of the offer received their laptops first. A number of people are still waiting, with increasing levels of ire. Most of these are due to problems with delivering the laptop, e.g., a P.O. Box instead of a street address. Have you tried tracking your order at http://www.laptopgiving.org? Charles On Jan 16, 2008 8:51 AM, Shandy Brown wrote: > Hi All. > > I'm wondering if any baypiggies have had trouble getting their XO > laptops shipped to them? > > I ordered mine in November, and tracked the package; it got to Menlo > Park then got returned because of a "bad address". I've sent several > emails to the OLPC support, with no response beyond the automatic "we > are very busy blah blah" response. > > Anyone having similar issues? Any advice? > > Shandy > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From aleax at google.com Wed Jan 16 19:01:40 2008 From: aleax at google.com (Alex Martelli) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:01:40 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] OLPC XO Shipping In-Reply-To: References: <1200502301.2055.3.camel@sbrown-dev2> Message-ID: <55dc209b0801161001l683d4e7dsf20ad3371db3539c@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 16, 2008 9:54 AM, Charles Merriam wrote: > Oddly, the people who ordered on day 2 of the offer received their > laptops first. > > A number of people are still waiting, with increasing levels of ire. > Most of these are due to > problems with delivering the laptop, e.g., a P.O. Box instead of a > street address. > > Have you tried tracking your order at http://www.laptopgiving.org? I've tracked my order via fedex and it "bounced" on Dec 20 from San Jose (??? the order was supposed to come to my address in Palo Alto -- no PO box, nothing strange) because of "unknown address" or s/thing like that. No luck getting any further notice from the OLPC support folks ever since then. Alex From mac at Wireless.Com Wed Jan 16 19:09:49 2008 From: mac at Wireless.Com (Mike Cheponis) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:09:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baypiggies] OLPC XO Shipping In-Reply-To: <55dc209b0801161001l683d4e7dsf20ad3371db3539c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1200502301.2055.3.camel@sbrown-dev2> <55dc209b0801161001l683d4e7dsf20ad3371db3539c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The OLPC "support" is atrocious. I sent email to them, they never responded. It's a hell of a way to run a project. Fortunately, I do have my (buggy) machine. On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Alex Martelli wrote: > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:01:40 -0800 > From: Alex Martelli > To: Charles Merriam > Cc: baypiggies at python.org, Shandy Brown > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] OLPC XO Shipping > > On Jan 16, 2008 9:54 AM, Charles Merriam wrote: >> Oddly, the people who ordered on day 2 of the offer received their >> laptops first. >> >> A number of people are still waiting, with increasing levels of ire. >> Most of these are due to >> problems with delivering the laptop, e.g., a P.O. Box instead of a >> street address. >> >> Have you tried tracking your order at http://www.laptopgiving.org? > > I've tracked my order via fedex and it "bounced" on Dec 20 from San > Jose (??? the order was supposed to come to my address in Palo Alto -- > no PO box, nothing strange) because of "unknown address" or s/thing > like that. No luck getting any further notice from the OLPC support > folks ever since then. > > > Alex > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From greg at gregcheong.com Wed Jan 16 19:02:17 2008 From: greg at gregcheong.com (greg at gregcheong.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:02:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Baypiggies] OLPC XO Shipping In-Reply-To: <55dc209b0801160950o3f860798y547865ff5245a1bc@mail.gmail.com> References: <1200502301.2055.3.camel@sbrown-dev2> <55dc209b0801160950o3f860798y547865ff5245a1bc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49475.204.15.2.3.1200506537.squirrel@email.powweb.com> > On Jan 16, 2008 8:51 AM, Shandy Brown wrote: >> Hi All. >> >> I'm wondering if any baypiggies have had trouble getting their XO >> laptops shipped to them? >> >> I ordered mine in November, and tracked the package; it got to Menlo >> Park then got returned because of a "bad address". I've sent several >> emails to the OLPC support, with no response beyond the automatic "we >> are very busy blah blah" response. >> >> Anyone having similar issues? Any advice? > > Very similar experience here, except that mine got to San Jose (rather > than Palo Alto as it should have) before going back for similar > reasons. No response from OLPC support here either (and I'm pretty > bummed about it, too). > > I can't even get tracking for mine so I'm assuming some problem delayed my shipment. I've seen several posts from people on this forum http://olpcnews.com/forum/index.php who had address problems. I got this phone number, 1-800-201-7144, and am on hold now waiting for a human, but this at least seems more promising than the "all circuits are busy" message I got through the phone number given at laptopgiving.org (1-800-201-7144). -Greg From greg at gregcheong.com Wed Jan 16 19:39:58 2008 From: greg at gregcheong.com (greg at gregcheong.com) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:39:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Baypiggies] OLPC XO Shipping In-Reply-To: <49475.204.15.2.3.1200506538.squirrel@email.powweb.com> References: <1200502301.2055.3.camel@sbrown-dev2> <55dc209b0801160950o3f860798y547865ff5245a1bc@mail.gmail.com> <49475.204.15.2.3.1200506538.squirrel@email.powweb.com> Message-ID: <58015.204.15.2.3.1200508798.squirrel@email.powweb.com> > I can't even get tracking for mine so I'm assuming some problem delayed my > shipment. I've seen several posts from people on this forum > http://olpcnews.com/forum/index.php who had address problems. I got this > phone number, 1-800-201-7144, and am on hold now waiting for a human, but > this at least seems more promising than the "all circuits are busy" > message I got through the phone number given at laptopgiving.org > (1-800-201-7144). > > -Greg I did finally get through to someone at the number I have earlier, and sure enough it was a problem with the way their system handles addresses. I had entered my company address for my shipping address and apparently if you tried to put both a company name and address in the address field, the physical address got dropped. Shortening the company name to leave room for the address seemed to work and I was told that to expect my pc sometime between the end of Jan and beginning of Feb. -Greg From sjbrown at vmware.com Wed Jan 16 19:37:33 2008 From: sjbrown at vmware.com (Shandy Brown) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:37:33 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] OLPC XO Shipping In-Reply-To: <55dc209b0801161001l683d4e7dsf20ad3371db3539c@mail.gmail.com> References: <1200502301.2055.3.camel@sbrown-dev2> <55dc209b0801161001l683d4e7dsf20ad3371db3539c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1200508653.2055.14.camel@sbrown-dev2> Yeah, that sounds quite like what happened to me. My original FedEx Tracking page: http://www.fedex.com/Tracking?tracknumbers=953408685576 So I just phoned up the customer service hotline (roughly 45 minutes on hold) and the agent told me that there was "a glitch" whereby many laptops got shipped back. I confirmed my address with her, and she claimed that they will be sent back out "this week", and to expect to receive the laptop "by the end of the month". Shandy On Wed, 2008-01-16 at 10:01 -0800, Alex Martelli wrote: > On Jan 16, 2008 9:54 AM, Charles Merriam wrote: > > Oddly, the people who ordered on day 2 of the offer received their > > laptops first. > > > > A number of people are still waiting, with increasing levels of ire. > > Most of these are due to > > problems with delivering the laptop, e.g., a P.O. Box instead of a > > street address. > > > > Have you tried tracking your order at http://www.laptopgiving.org? > > I've tracked my order via fedex and it "bounced" on Dec 20 from San > Jose (??? the order was supposed to come to my address in Palo Alto -- > no PO box, nothing strange) because of "unknown address" or s/thing > like that. No luck getting any further notice from the OLPC support > folks ever since then. > > > Alex From charles.merriam at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 20:55:16 2008 From: charles.merriam at gmail.com (Charles Merriam) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:55:16 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] OLPC XO Shipping In-Reply-To: References: <1200502301.2055.3.camel@sbrown-dev2> <55dc209b0801161001l683d4e7dsf20ad3371db3539c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: FYI, they do have a way of getting an RMA number: http://laptopgiving.org/en/return-merchandise.php On Jan 16, 2008 10:09 AM, Mike Cheponis wrote: > The OLPC "support" is atrocious. > > I sent email to them, they never responded. > > It's a hell of a way to run a project. > > Fortunately, I do have my (buggy) machine. > > > On Wed, 16 Jan 2008, Alex Martelli wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:01:40 -0800 > > From: Alex Martelli > > To: Charles Merriam > > Cc: baypiggies at python.org, Shandy Brown > > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] OLPC XO Shipping > > > > > On Jan 16, 2008 9:54 AM, Charles Merriam wrote: > >> Oddly, the people who ordered on day 2 of the offer received their > >> laptops first. > >> > >> A number of people are still waiting, with increasing levels of ire. > >> Most of these are due to > >> problems with delivering the laptop, e.g., a P.O. Box instead of a > >> street address. > >> > >> Have you tried tracking your order at http://www.laptopgiving.org? > > > > I've tracked my order via fedex and it "bounced" on Dec 20 from San > > Jose (??? the order was supposed to come to my address in Palo Alto -- > > no PO box, nothing strange) because of "unknown address" or s/thing > > like that. No luck getting any further notice from the OLPC support > > folks ever since then. > > > > > > Alex > > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > From alan.grosskurth at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 05:13:07 2008 From: alan.grosskurth at gmail.com (Alan Grosskurth) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:13:07 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] OLPC XO Shipping In-Reply-To: References: <1200502301.2055.3.camel@sbrown-dev2> Message-ID: Charles Merriam wrote: > Oddly, the people who ordered on day 2 of the offer received their > laptops first. Just for another data point... I guess I got lucky. I ordered on day 2 and got mine on January 8. I'm in Palo Alto. There was no signature required and I just got home after work and found the package sitting on my doorstep. Hope the people who are still waiting get it soon! ---Alan From aahz at pythoncraft.com Thu Jan 17 05:44:02 2008 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:44:02 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] OLPC XO Shipping In-Reply-To: References: <1200502301.2055.3.camel@sbrown-dev2> Message-ID: <20080117044402.GA7117@panix.com> On Wed, Jan 16, 2008, Alan Grosskurth wrote: > Charles Merriam wrote: >> >> Oddly, the people who ordered on day 2 of the offer received their >> laptops first. > > Just for another data point... I guess I got lucky. I ordered on day 2 > and got mine on January 8. I'm in Palo Alto. There was no signature > required and I just got home after work and found the package sitting > on my doorstep. Hope the people who are still waiting get it soon! I ordered mine the day after Thanksgiving and got it Dec 23 -- I'm really sorry so many people are having problems. -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection." --Butler Lampson From bdbaddog at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 06:10:20 2008 From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:10:20 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] OLPC XO Shipping In-Reply-To: <20080117044402.GA7117@panix.com> References: <1200502301.2055.3.camel@sbrown-dev2> <20080117044402.GA7117@panix.com> Message-ID: <8540148a0801162110y7d6f8bf9ja17f9d8f14b11baa@mail.gmail.com> -1 on discussing when xo laptops were shipped, not shipped, etc... my 2cents. -Bill On Jan 16, 2008 8:44 PM, Aahz wrote: > On Wed, Jan 16, 2008, Alan Grosskurth wrote: > > Charles Merriam wrote: > >> > >> Oddly, the people who ordered on day 2 of the offer received their > >> laptops first. > > > > Just for another data point... I guess I got lucky. I ordered on day 2 > > and got mine on January 8. I'm in Palo Alto. There was no signature > > required and I just got home after work and found the package sitting > > on my doorstep. Hope the people who are still waiting get it soon! > > I ordered mine the day after Thanksgiving and got it Dec 23 -- I'm > really sorry so many people are having problems. > -- > Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> > http://www.pythoncraft.com/ > > "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of > indirection." --Butler Lampson > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20080116/a47b3346/attachment.htm From aahz at pythoncraft.com Thu Jan 17 06:33:04 2008 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:33:04 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] OLPC XO Shipping In-Reply-To: <8540148a0801162110y7d6f8bf9ja17f9d8f14b11baa@mail.gmail.com> References: <1200502301.2055.3.camel@sbrown-dev2> <20080117044402.GA7117@panix.com> <8540148a0801162110y7d6f8bf9ja17f9d8f14b11baa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080117053303.GA7907@panix.com> On Wed, Jan 16, 2008, William Deegan wrote: > > -1 on discussing when xo laptops were shipped, not shipped, etc... BayPIGgies is partially a social list and the XO is certainly Pythonic. Could you explain your objection? -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection." --Butler Lampson From bdbaddog at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 06:42:58 2008 From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:42:58 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] OLPC XO Shipping In-Reply-To: <20080117053303.GA7907@panix.com> References: <1200502301.2055.3.camel@sbrown-dev2> <20080117044402.GA7117@panix.com> <8540148a0801162110y7d6f8bf9ja17f9d8f14b11baa@mail.gmail.com> <20080117053303.GA7907@panix.com> Message-ID: <8540148a0801162142kdf37eafi214287d92357060a@mail.gmail.com> > > > > > -1 on discussing when xo laptops were shipped, not shipped, etc... > > BayPIGgies is partially a social list and the XO is certainly Pythonic. > Could you explain your objection? Not interested, didn't realize XO was related to python. Seems like such traffic might be better on a strictly XO related mailing list. That's all, no real desire to discuss further, if others think this is the best place for the discussion so be it. -Bill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20080116/ae15252a/attachment.htm From alvinwang at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 23:31:14 2008 From: alvinwang at gmail.com (Alvin Wang) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:31:14 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area Message-ID: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> Is anybody interested in trying to bring Pycon to the Bay Area? I tried to do it in 2006 for 2007 but we lost. It was close but one of the issues was that Chicago had a lot more people supporting the bid. Currently, I am not doing that much Python programming so I am not going to work on it. I see from the net that Pycon 2008 will be in Chicago again. If anybody is interested in bidding on Pycon 2009, I suggest that you talk to Michelle from the San Mateo Tourism and convention bureau. She was a big help last time. *Michelle Adle | San Mateo County C & VB | Tel: 1.800.288.4748 | E-Mail: mailto:michelle at smccvb.com | Web: http://www.VisitSanMateoCounty.com * Alvin Wang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20080117/29c0e422/attachment.htm From alvinwang at gmail.com Thu Jan 17 23:44:46 2008 From: alvinwang at gmail.com (Alvin Wang) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:44:46 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <77d044440801171444l6c5e905fr92a877da63941c28@mail.gmail.com> Ooops, I made a mistake. Confusion due to New Year. The bay area lost 2008. 2009 and 2010 may still be up for bids. Thanks Alvin On Jan 17, 2008 2:31 PM, Alvin Wang wrote: > Is anybody interested in trying to bring Pycon to the Bay Area? I tried > to do it in 2006 for 2007 but we lost. It was close but one of the issues > was that Chicago had a lot more people supporting the bid. > > Currently, I am not doing that much Python programming so I am not going > to work on it. I see from the net that Pycon 2008 will be in Chicago > again. If anybody is interested in bidding on Pycon 2009, I suggest that > you talk to Michelle from the San Mateo Tourism and convention bureau. She > was a big help last time. > > *Michelle A dle | San Mateo County C & VB | Tel: 1.800.288.4748 | E -Mail: > mailto:michelle at smccvb.com | Web: > http://www.VisitSanMateoCounty.com * > > > Alvin Wang > -- Alvin Wang -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20080117/95adbaad/attachment.htm From guido at python.org Thu Jan 17 23:53:31 2008 From: guido at python.org (Guido van Rossum) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:53:31 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: <77d044440801171444l6c5e905fr92a877da63941c28@mail.gmail.com> References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> <77d044440801171444l6c5e905fr92a877da63941c28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm pretty sure 2009 is also going to be Chicago. I'd love to have it local in 2010 but I'm not the one to organize it. On Jan 17, 2008 2:44 PM, Alvin Wang wrote: > Ooops, I made a mistake. Confusion due to New Year. The bay area lost > 2008. 2009 and 2010 may still be up for bids. > > Thanks > Alvin > > > > > On Jan 17, 2008 2:31 PM, Alvin Wang < alvinwang at gmail.com> wrote: > > Is anybody interested in trying to bring Pycon to the Bay Area? I tried > to do it in 2006 for 2007 but we lost. It was close but one of the issues > was that Chicago had a lot more people supporting the bid. > > > > Currently, I am not doing that much Python programming so I am not going > to work on it. I see from the net that Pycon 2008 will be in Chicago again. > If anybody is interested in bidding on Pycon 2009, I suggest that you talk > to Michelle from the San Mateo Tourism and convention bureau. She was a big > help last time. > > > > > > Michelle A dle | San Mateo County C & VB | Tel: 1.800.288.4748 | E -Mail: > mailto:michelle at smccvb.com | Web: http://www.VisitSanMateoCounty.com > > > > Alvin Wang > > > > > > -- > Alvin Wang > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From aahz at pythoncraft.com Fri Jan 18 00:00:00 2008 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:00:00 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080117230000.GA9138@panix.com> On Thu, Jan 17, 2008, Alvin Wang wrote: > > Is anybody interested in trying to bring Pycon to the Bay Area? I > tried to do it in 2006 for 2007 but we lost. It was close but one of > the issues was that Chicago had a lot more people supporting the bid. I'm happy to help but not to lead. > Currently, I am not doing that much Python programming so I am not > going to work on it. I see from the net that Pycon 2008 will be in > Chicago again. If anybody is interested in bidding on Pycon 2009, > I suggest that you talk to Michelle from the San Mateo Tourism and > convention bureau. She was a big help last time. PyCon 2009 has already been decided for Chicago in the interest of maintaining stability and reusing this year's effort. If we're interested in PyCon 2010 we should probably have a bid ready by mid-2008. I've just sent off e-mail to the PyCon committee suggesting that the bid process for 2010 be announced this year at PyCon 2008. -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection." --Butler Lampson From dcramer at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 02:33:21 2008 From: dcramer at gmail.com (David Cramer) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:33:21 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: <20080117230000.GA9138@panix.com> References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> <20080117230000.GA9138@panix.com> Message-ID: I'll help if it comes to SF :) On Jan 17, 2008 3:00 PM, Aahz wrote: > On Thu, Jan 17, 2008, Alvin Wang wrote: > > > > Is anybody interested in trying to bring Pycon to the Bay Area? I > > tried to do it in 2006 for 2007 but we lost. It was close but one of > > the issues was that Chicago had a lot more people supporting the bid. > > I'm happy to help but not to lead. > > > Currently, I am not doing that much Python programming so I am not > > going to work on it. I see from the net that Pycon 2008 will be in > > Chicago again. If anybody is interested in bidding on Pycon 2009, > > I suggest that you talk to Michelle from the San Mateo Tourism and > > convention bureau. She was a big help last time. > > PyCon 2009 has already been decided for Chicago in the interest of > maintaining stability and reusing this year's effort. If we're > interested in PyCon 2010 we should probably have a bid ready by mid-2008. > > I've just sent off e-mail to the PyCon committee suggesting that the bid > process for 2010 be announced this year at PyCon 2008. > -- > Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> > http://www.pythoncraft.com/ > > "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of > indirection." --Butler Lampson > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- David Cramer Lead Developer Curse, Inc. http://www.curse.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20080117/e6cee676/attachment.htm From echerlin at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 08:50:56 2008 From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 23:50:56 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> <77d044440801171444l6c5e905fr92a877da63941c28@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 17, 2008 2:53 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > I'm pretty sure 2009 is also going to be Chicago. I'd love to have it > local in 2010 but I'm not the one to organize it. No problem, you'll be one of our biggest draws as Guest of Honor. > On Jan 17, 2008 2:44 PM, Alvin Wang wrote: > > Ooops, I made a mistake. Confusion due to New Year. The bay area lost > > 2008. 2009 and 2010 may still be up for bids. > > > > Thanks > > Alvin > --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay From echerlin at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 09:04:26 2008 From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:04:26 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 17, 2008 2:31 PM, Alvin Wang wrote: > Is anybody interested in trying to bring Pycon to the Bay Area? I tried to > do it in 2006 for 2007 but we lost. It was close but one of the issues was > that Chicago had a lot more people supporting the bid. Several current and former Piggies have worked BayCon and other Science Fiction cons as staff. I Heather Stern, Deirdre Moen at least. We can talk to the rest of those folks, too. I'll let them know we are thinking about this. I have worked hotel, and helped out in the "family-friendly" room with Kymbr Mundstock. We may be able to get her to help bring in children with XOs, and have them all primed on Pippy. Charles Merriam's XO hacking society is full of parents of young children. Some of us are organizing to tackle the schools and children's museums. Heather has run computer rooms. Deirdre and her husband Rick have worked in Con programming and other areas. In other words, yes. Would Google like to be a sponsor? > Currently, I am not doing that much Python programming so I am not going to > work on it. I see from the net that Pycon 2008 will be in Chicago again. > If anybody is interested in bidding on Pycon 2009, I suggest that you talk > to Michelle from the San Mateo Tourism and convention bureau. She was a big > help last time. Thanks. > Michelle A dle | San Mateo County C & VB | Tel: 1.800.288.4748 | E -Mail: > mailto:michelle at smccvb.com | Web: http://www.VisitSanMateoCounty.com > > Alvin Wang > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay From echerlin at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 09:24:41 2008 From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 00:24:41 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Fwd: [PyCON-Organizers] PyCon 2010? In-Reply-To: <9340788F-12F5-4BB4-918F-CDED74C00D18@mac.com> References: <20080117225902.GA18306@panix.com> <9340788F-12F5-4BB4-918F-CDED74C00D18@mac.com> Message-ID: If anyone else would like to get involved in this process... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ted Pollari Date: Jan 17, 2008 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [PyCON-Organizers] PyCon 2010? To: pycon-organizers On Jan 17, 2008, at 2:59 PM, Aahz wrote: > What's a reasonable deadline for submitting bids for PyCon 2010? > > (Yeah, we're trying to focus on this year, but the subject came up > on the > BayPIGgies list. IMO, it would be good to announce the bidding > process > for 2010 at 2008.) > As a reminder, I put together a draft call for proposals on the private wiki: http://wiki.python.org/moin-pycon/2010BidInfo (pycon:organize) Given the revised bid process suggested there, I think we could put out the call *now* and have it due @/around PyCon. (assuming the suggested new process is okay) -ted _______________________________________________ Pycon-organizers mailing list Pycon-organizers at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pycon-organizers -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay From echerlin at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 11:15:42 2008 From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 02:15:42 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] an interesting OLPC web page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 15, 2008 5:22 PM, jim stockford wrote: > > it's not directly python related, but given > bayPIGgies' interest, seems important: > what to do with your new OLPC XO box, > including instructions for upgrading > firmware (rumor warns: be sure your XO > battery is fully charged and your XO is > plugged in before upgrading firmware): That's no rumor. The software is taking care that you can't run out of power during an upgrade and brick your system. > http://frombob.to/XO/ Thanks. I'll check whether any of this is new, and if so, put it on the Wiki. Please go to http://wiki.laptop.org/ if you have not done so, and click the link for the Getting Started Guide. Also check out the New Users page. -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay From aahz at pythoncraft.com Fri Jan 18 15:33:51 2008 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:33:51 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080118143351.GA7885@panix.com> On Fri, Jan 18, 2008, Edward Cherlin wrote: > > Several current and former Piggies have worked BayCon and other > Science Fiction cons as staff. I Heather Stern, Deirdre Moen at least. Me, too. (Though I haven't ever worked BayCon "officially", and it's been years since I did anything at all.) And if you're going to mention Heather, you ought to mention Jim, who's more of a Python person. ;-) But yes, there are lots of people around, the question is whether they're available to help. More importantly, someone needs to step up and say that they're willing to be the person in charge of the bid -- I don't have enough spoons. > Would Google like to be a sponsor? We should probably send e-mail directly to Leslie Hawthorne, I don't know how much she monitors the list. But they're almost certainly going to be a sponsor (they're a Diamond sponsor for this year's PyCon plus they're sponsoring the Core sprint); again, the question is whether Google can/will contribute people resources to make an SF PyCon happen. Another point is that this is really a four-year commitment (2008 through 2011), because the central PyCon committee will probably prefer to again have PyCon in a single location for two years. I don't want to scare anyone off, but I also want to be realistic. -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection." --Butler Lampson From afife at untangle.com Fri Jan 18 18:29:14 2008 From: afife at untangle.com (Andrew Fife) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:29:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baypiggies] PYCON In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001801c859f7$aec5ec60$0200a8c0@Untangle.local> I am also willing to help organize this. Like others, I can't lead the effort but would be happy to lend a helping hand. Also, I'm happy to consider Untangle as a potential sponsor. ---------------------------------------- Andrew Fife Untangle - Open Source Security Gateway download.untangle.com 650.425.3327 (O) 415.806.6028 (C) afife at untangle.com From john at cellspinsoft.com Fri Jan 18 18:38:47 2008 From: john at cellspinsoft.com (John Menerick) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:38:47 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] PYCON In-Reply-To: <001801c859f7$aec5ec60$0200a8c0@Untangle.local> References: <001801c859f7$aec5ec60$0200a8c0@Untangle.local> Message-ID: <3b9650f60801180938o27c621sdb61d84a38562522@mail.gmail.com> I would be willing to co-lead the effort. John On 1/18/08, Andrew Fife wrote: > > I am also willing to help organize this. Like others, I can't lead the > effort but would be happy to lend a helping hand. Also, I'm happy to > consider Untangle as a potential sponsor. > > ---------------------------------------- > Andrew Fife > Untangle - Open Source Security Gateway > download.untangle.com > > 650.425.3327 (O) > 415.806.6028 (C) > afife at untangle.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20080118/8c11a45b/attachment.htm From cvanarsdall at mvista.com Fri Jan 18 18:43:42 2008 From: cvanarsdall at mvista.com (Carl J. Van Arsdall) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:43:42 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] PYCON In-Reply-To: <3b9650f60801180938o27c621sdb61d84a38562522@mail.gmail.com> References: <001801c859f7$aec5ec60$0200a8c0@Untangle.local> <3b9650f60801180938o27c621sdb61d84a38562522@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4790E54E.5040204@mvista.com> John Menerick wrote: > I would be willing to co-lead the effort. It all seems like a lot for one person. Perhaps a committee should form and they can nominate away various responsibilities. -carl > > > John > > On 1/18/08, *Andrew Fife* > wrote: > > I am also willing to help organize this. Like others, I can't > lead the > effort but would be happy to lend a helping hand. Also, I'm happy to > consider Untangle as a potential sponsor. > > ---------------------------------------- > Andrew Fife > Untangle - Open Source Security Gateway > download.untangle.com > > 650.425.3327 (O) > 415.806.6028 (C) > afife at untangle.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -- Carl J. Van Arsdall cvanarsdall at mvista.com Build and Release MontaVista Software From aahz at pythoncraft.com Fri Jan 18 19:49:30 2008 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:49:30 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] PYCON In-Reply-To: <4790E54E.5040204@mvista.com> References: <001801c859f7$aec5ec60$0200a8c0@Untangle.local> <3b9650f60801180938o27c621sdb61d84a38562522@mail.gmail.com> <4790E54E.5040204@mvista.com> Message-ID: <20080118184929.GA15970@panix.com> On Fri, Jan 18, 2008, Carl J. Van Arsdall wrote: > John Menerick wrote: >> >> I would be willing to co-lead the effort. > > It all seems like a lot for one person. Perhaps a committee should form > and they can nominate away various responsibilities. Based on many many years of experience with running conventions: yes, there does need to be a committee, but someone (or maybe two) needs to take responsibility for being in charge. Note that my understanding is that we are only in charge of the local effort; I believe that David Goodger plans to continue as PyCon chair. -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection." --Butler Lampson From john at cellspinsoft.com Fri Jan 18 20:00:04 2008 From: john at cellspinsoft.com (John Menerick) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:00:04 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] PYCON In-Reply-To: <20080118184929.GA15970@panix.com> References: <001801c859f7$aec5ec60$0200a8c0@Untangle.local> <3b9650f60801180938o27c621sdb61d84a38562522@mail.gmail.com> <4790E54E.5040204@mvista.com> <20080118184929.GA15970@panix.com> Message-ID: <3b9650f60801181100m34aaf3a7hce4dd7b78ba18d0e@mail.gmail.com> It is a lot for one person hence why I was offering to co-lead the local effort. There is quite a bit which would need to be done. John Menerick On 1/18/08, Aahz wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 18, 2008, Carl J. Van Arsdall wrote: > > John Menerick wrote: > >> > >> I would be willing to co-lead the effort. > > > > It all seems like a lot for one person. Perhaps a committee should form > > and they can nominate away various responsibilities. > > Based on many many years of experience with running conventions: yes, > there does need to be a committee, but someone (or maybe two) needs to > take responsibility for being in charge. > > Note that my understanding is that we are only in charge of the local > effort; I believe that David Goodger plans to continue as PyCon chair. > -- > Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> > http://www.pythoncraft.com/ > > "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of > indirection." --Butler Lampson > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20080118/9290108d/attachment.htm From aahz at pythoncraft.com Fri Jan 18 20:38:39 2008 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:38:39 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] PYCON In-Reply-To: <3b9650f60801181100m34aaf3a7hce4dd7b78ba18d0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <001801c859f7$aec5ec60$0200a8c0@Untangle.local> <3b9650f60801180938o27c621sdb61d84a38562522@mail.gmail.com> <4790E54E.5040204@mvista.com> <20080118184929.GA15970@panix.com> <3b9650f60801181100m34aaf3a7hce4dd7b78ba18d0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080118193839.GA19165@panix.com> On Fri, Jan 18, 2008, John Menerick wrote: > > It is a lot for one person hence why I was offering to co-lead the local > effort. There is quite a bit which would need to be done. It's actually not that much work to organize: http://wiki.python.org/moin-pycon/2010BidInfo The idea is that the PSF is now putting serious money into PyCon (which we can afford to do because PyCon generates quite a bit of money in the form of sponsorships) and is hiring professional help. This makes PyCon a bit of an oddball for a volunteer-run convention. You'll need to use the name of the convention as the username and the password is the last word of my first paragraph (security isn't a big issue, but the baypiggies list archive is public and we're trying to keep the riff-raff out ;-) -- all lower-case. -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection." --Butler Lampson From charles.merriam at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 23:29:14 2008 From: charles.merriam at gmail.com (Charles Merriam) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:29:14 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] PYCON In-Reply-To: <20080118193839.GA19165@panix.com> References: <001801c859f7$aec5ec60$0200a8c0@Untangle.local> <3b9650f60801180938o27c621sdb61d84a38562522@mail.gmail.com> <4790E54E.5040204@mvista.com> <20080118184929.GA15970@panix.com> <3b9650f60801181100m34aaf3a7hce4dd7b78ba18d0e@mail.gmail.com> <20080118193839.GA19165@panix.com> Message-ID: I can also help the organize, build schedules, program books, committees, etc. The 2010 BidInfo is now password protected. Four Questions Before Committing: - What's the estimated size of this conference? - Will there be exhibitors (trade show format) area? - Will there be exhibits only badges? Charles On Jan 18, 2008 11:38 AM, Aahz wrote: > On Fri, Jan 18, 2008, John Menerick wrote: > > > > It is a lot for one person hence why I was offering to co-lead the local > > effort. There is quite a bit which would need to be done. > > It's actually not that much work to organize: > > http://wiki.python.org/moin-pycon/2010BidInfo > > The idea is that the PSF is now putting serious money into PyCon (which > we can afford to do because PyCon generates quite a bit of money in the > form of sponsorships) and is hiring professional help. This makes PyCon > a bit of an oddball for a volunteer-run convention. > > You'll need to use the name of the convention as the username and the > password is the last word of my first paragraph (security isn't a big > issue, but the baypiggies list archive is public and we're trying to > keep the riff-raff out ;-) -- all lower-case. > -- > > Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ > > "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of > indirection." --Butler Lampson > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From echerlin at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 05:12:38 2008 From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:12:38 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: <20080118143351.GA7885@panix.com> References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> <20080118143351.GA7885@panix.com> Message-ID: On Jan 18, 2008 6:33 AM, Aahz wrote: > On Fri, Jan 18, 2008, Edward Cherlin wrote: > > > > Several current and former Piggies have worked BayCon and other > > Science Fiction cons as staff. I Heather Stern, Deirdre Moen at least. > > Me, too. Yes, I remember you. "No relation." > (Though I haven't ever worked BayCon "officially", That's why I didn't put you in my previous post. > and it's been years since I did anything at all.) And if you're going > to mention Heather, you ought to mention Jim, who's more of a Python > person. ;-) Heather is working with Charles and me and the others on the OLPC Sugar factory idea. > But yes, there are lots of people around, the question is whether they're > available to help. More importantly, someone needs to step up and say > that they're willing to be the person in charge of the bid -- I don't > have enough spoons. As soon as I have something definite to put to them, I will post to various LUG lists, Baycon staff list, and such. I believe I saw half of a hand up a moment ago, but I forget whose. OK, people, we need a local Chairbeing. As Michael Siladi likes to say at Baycon staff meetings, everything will be your fault. But you won't have to do much of it. That's what staff is *for*. The Chairman needs to be able to hold the overall vision together, and keep track of all of the department heads and their primary responsibilities, with the aid of some able paper-pushers. But the Chairman does much of this simply by asking very regularly, "How is everybody doing?" and making sure that they keep up, get help, or move over and let someone else handle it. In the nicest possible way consistent with making sure it happens. Oh, and the Chairbeing is responsible for making sure that everybody involved has fun doing this, in between the headaches. The local Chairbeing is not the Conference Chair. Our staff and crew will be responsible for defined local arrangements, and not for program, exhibits, or speakers. Isn't that right? Questions? I don't have the answers, but I know whom to ask for them. > > Would Google like to be a sponsor? > > We should probably send e-mail directly to Leslie Hawthorne, I don't know > how much she monitors the list. But they're almost certainly going to be > a sponsor (they're a Diamond sponsor for this year's PyCon plus they're > sponsoring the Core sprint); again, the question is whether Google > can/will contribute people resources to make an SF PyCon happen. We should also bring in the 2008 Summer of Code. > Another point is that this is really a four-year commitment (2008 through > 2011), because the central PyCon committee will probably prefer to again > have PyCon in a single location for two years. I don't want to scare > anyone off, but I also want to be realistic. Excellent. > -- > Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ > > "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of > indirection." --Butler Lampson > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay From echerlin at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 02:13:52 2008 From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:13:52 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> <20080118143351.GA7885@panix.com> Message-ID: I've thought about it some more, and decided to volunteer to lead the effort. We need a separate mailing list and a place to meet. And a Web site. Anyone? On Jan 18, 2008 8:12 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: > On Jan 18, 2008 6:33 AM, Aahz wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 18, 2008, Edward Cherlin wrote: > > > > > > Several current and former Piggies have worked BayCon and other > > > Science Fiction cons as staff. I Heather Stern, Deirdre Moen at least. > > > > Me, too. > > Yes, I remember you. "No relation." > > > (Though I haven't ever worked BayCon "officially", > > That's why I didn't put you in my previous post. > > > and it's been years since I did anything at all.) And if you're going > > to mention Heather, you ought to mention Jim, who's more of a Python > > person. ;-) > > Heather is working with Charles and me and the others on the OLPC > Sugar factory idea. > > > But yes, there are lots of people around, the question is whether > they're > > available to help. More importantly, someone needs to step up and say > > that they're willing to be the person in charge of the bid -- I don't > > have enough spoons. > > As soon as I have something definite to put to them, I will post to > various LUG lists, Baycon staff list, and such. > > I believe I saw half of a hand up a moment ago, but I forget whose. > > OK, people, we need a local Chairbeing. As Michael Siladi likes to say > at Baycon staff meetings, everything will be your fault. But you won't > have to do much of it. That's what staff is *for*. The Chairman needs > to be able to hold the overall vision together, and keep track of all > of the department heads and their primary responsibilities, with the > aid of some able paper-pushers. But the Chairman does much of this > simply by asking very regularly, "How is everybody doing?" and making > sure that they keep up, get help, or move over and let someone else > handle it. In the nicest possible way consistent with making sure it > happens. Oh, and the Chairbeing is responsible for making sure that > everybody involved has fun doing this, in between the headaches. > > The local Chairbeing is not the Conference Chair. Our staff and crew > will be responsible for defined local arrangements, and not for > program, exhibits, or speakers. Isn't that right? > > Questions? I don't have the answers, but I know whom to ask for them. > > > > Would Google like to be a sponsor? > > > > We should probably send e-mail directly to Leslie Hawthorne, I don't > know > > how much she monitors the list. But they're almost certainly going to > be > > a sponsor (they're a Diamond sponsor for this year's PyCon plus they're > > sponsoring the Core sprint); again, the question is whether Google > > can/will contribute people resources to make an SF PyCon happen. > > We should also bring in the 2008 Summer of Code. > > > Another point is that this is really a four-year commitment (2008 > through > > 2011), because the central PyCon committee will probably prefer to again > > have PyCon in a single location for two years. I don't want to scare > > anyone off, but I also want to be realistic. > > Excellent. > > > -- > > Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> > http://www.pythoncraft.com/ > > > > "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of > > indirection." --Butler Lampson > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > > > -- > Edward Cherlin > End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business > http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ > "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay > -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20080119/fe23eb52/attachment.htm From echerlin at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 10:15:52 2008 From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 01:15:52 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac0801191840o3c6e5b4ax532a85a1ccccc4a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> <20080118143351.GA7885@panix.com> <8249c4ac0801191840o3c6e5b4ax532a85a1ccccc4a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 19, 2008 6:40 PM, Tony Cappellini wrote: > Google groups or Yahoo groups ? I assume that you meant that query to go to the list. I have used, and continue to use both. I prefer Google on philosophical grounds, and as a major sponsor, but I'll let others comment on features that we might need. > On Jan 19, 2008 5:13 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: > > I've thought about it some more, and decided to volunteer to lead the > > effort. > > > > We need a separate mailing list and a place to meet. And a Web site. Anyone? -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay From lhawthorn at google.com Mon Jan 21 00:06:34 2008 From: lhawthorn at google.com (Leslie Hawthorn) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:06:34 +1100 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> <20080118143351.GA7885@panix.com> <8249c4ac0801191840o3c6e5b4ax532a85a1ccccc4a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4869cee70801201506t7cfb08ceid0d82ed0c1ca2ae5@mail.gmail.com> In response to an earlier question, yes Google would be happy to sponsor PyCon and we're one of the sponsors for PyCon '08. We also frequently host open source conferences/gatherings at Google, and we'd likely be happy to host the festivities provided that works well for the community. I'd be happy to talk to folks on or off list about what we could provide were we to host the conference on our campus and how well that would map to your needs. Cheers, LH On Jan 20, 2008 8:15 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: > On Jan 19, 2008 6:40 PM, Tony Cappellini wrote: > > Google groups or Yahoo groups ? > > I assume that you meant that query to go to the list. > > I have used, and continue to use both. I prefer Google on > philosophical grounds, and as a major sponsor, but I'll let others > comment on features that we might need. > > > On Jan 19, 2008 5:13 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: > > > I've thought about it some more, and decided to volunteer to lead the > > > effort. > > > > > > We need a separate mailing list and a place to meet. And a Web site. Anyone? > > -- > Edward Cherlin > End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business > http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ > "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Leslie Hawthorn Program Manager - Open Source Google Inc. http://code.google.com/opensource/ From john at cellspinsoft.com Mon Jan 21 00:14:22 2008 From: john at cellspinsoft.com (John Menerick) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:14:22 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: <4869cee70801201506t7cfb08ceid0d82ed0c1ca2ae5@mail.gmail.com> References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> <20080118143351.GA7885@panix.com> <8249c4ac0801191840o3c6e5b4ax532a85a1ccccc4a4@mail.gmail.com> <4869cee70801201506t7cfb08ceid0d82ed0c1ca2ae5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3b9650f60801201514l8fbd0d5t835c906122b7c009@mail.gmail.com> I would be more than willing to setup the site and mailing list. Just let me know and I will set everything up. John Menerick On 1/20/08, Leslie Hawthorn wrote: > > In response to an earlier question, yes Google would be happy to > sponsor PyCon and we're one of the sponsors for PyCon '08. > > We also frequently host open source conferences/gatherings at Google, > and we'd likely be happy to host the festivities provided that works > well for the community. I'd be happy to talk to folks on or off list > about what we could provide were we to host the conference on our > campus and how well that would map to your needs. > > Cheers, > LH > > On Jan 20, 2008 8:15 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: > > On Jan 19, 2008 6:40 PM, Tony Cappellini wrote: > > > Google groups or Yahoo groups ? > > > > I assume that you meant that query to go to the list. > > > > I have used, and continue to use both. I prefer Google on > > philosophical grounds, and as a major sponsor, but I'll let others > > comment on features that we might need. > > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 5:13 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: > > > > I've thought about it some more, and decided to volunteer to lead > the > > > > effort. > > > > > > > > We need a separate mailing list and a place to meet. And a Web site. > Anyone? > > > > -- > > Edward Cherlin > > End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business > > http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ > > "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > > > -- > Leslie Hawthorn > Program Manager - Open Source > Google Inc. > > http://code.google.com/opensource/ > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20080120/2723338b/attachment.htm From aahz at pythoncraft.com Mon Jan 21 01:39:00 2008 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:39:00 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: <4869cee70801201506t7cfb08ceid0d82ed0c1ca2ae5@mail.gmail.com> References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> <20080118143351.GA7885@panix.com> <8249c4ac0801191840o3c6e5b4ax532a85a1ccccc4a4@mail.gmail.com> <4869cee70801201506t7cfb08ceid0d82ed0c1ca2ae5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080121003900.GA14675@panix.com> On Mon, Jan 21, 2008, Leslie Hawthorn wrote: > > In response to an earlier question, yes Google would be happy to > sponsor PyCon and we're one of the sponsors for PyCon '08. As I said, the more important question relevant to running PyCon in the Bay Area is whether Google (and other local companies) is interested in contributing "people points" (for example, people to run registration during the conference). > We also frequently host open source conferences/gatherings at Google, > and we'd likely be happy to host the festivities provided that works > well for the community. I'd be happy to talk to folks on or off list > about what we could provide were we to host the conference on our > campus and how well that would map to your needs. Currently, PyCon is at a size that fits reasonably well into a large business-class hotel, and I would prefer to continue that because having conference next to sleeping accomodations tends to foster more socializing. (And my reading is that the rest of the concom agrees.) -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection." --Butler Lampson From echerlin at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 01:40:42 2008 From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:40:42 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: <3b9650f60801201514l8fbd0d5t835c906122b7c009@mail.gmail.com> References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> <20080118143351.GA7885@panix.com> <8249c4ac0801191840o3c6e5b4ax532a85a1ccccc4a4@mail.gmail.com> <4869cee70801201506t7cfb08ceid0d82ed0c1ca2ae5@mail.gmail.com> <3b9650f60801201514l8fbd0d5t835c906122b7c009@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 20, 2008 3:14 PM, John Menerick wrote: > I would be more than willing to setup the site and mailing list. Just let > me know and I will set everything up. Very good. Thank you. You will talk with Python.org then, and see how they want us to manage our relationship? Our bid site will be separate from them. We can meet at Google if we have a member who works at Google who will guarantee to attend meetings. Anybody? When is a good time to meet? Who wants to attend and be part of the process? We may eventually need department heads for Local liaison (convention bureau, Google, and such) Hotel liaison (discounts, room requirements, shuttles to Google, food...) Local exhibit tech (make sure exhibitors get power, Internet, lighting, other; signage; whatever) Registration (staff, speakers, exhibitors, attendees) Gofers Parties Python.org liaison John is the volunteer Webmaster. I am going to suggest the following pages, and a look at http://www.python.org/community/pycon/. Home page About Who we are Volunteer Contact Us Staff mailing lists Issue tracking Wiki? > John Menerick > > > > On 1/20/08, Leslie Hawthorn wrote: > > In response to an earlier question, yes Google would be happy to > > sponsor PyCon and we're one of the sponsors for PyCon '08. > > > > We also frequently host open source conferences/gatherings at Google, > > and we'd likely be happy to host the festivities provided that works > > well for the community. I'd be happy to talk to folks on or off list > > about what we could provide were we to host the conference on our > > campus and how well that would map to your needs. > > > > Cheers, > > LH > > > > On Jan 20, 2008 8:15 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: > > > On Jan 19, 2008 6:40 PM, Tony Cappellini wrote: > > > > Google groups or Yahoo groups ? > > > > > > I assume that you meant that query to go to the list. > > > > > > I have used, and continue to use both. I prefer Google on > > > philosophical grounds, and as a major sponsor, but I'll let others > > > comment on features that we might need. > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 2008 5:13 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: > > > > > I've thought about it some more, and decided to volunteer to lead > the > > > > > effort. > > > > > > > > > > We need a separate mailing list and a place to meet. And a Web site. > Anyone? > > > > > > -- > > > Edward Cherlin > > > End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business > > > http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ > > > "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Baypiggies mailing list > > > Baypiggies at python.org > > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Leslie Hawthorn > > Program Manager - Open Source > > Google Inc. > > > > http://code.google.com/opensource/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay From aahz at pythoncraft.com Mon Jan 21 01:42:09 2008 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:42:09 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> <20080118143351.GA7885@panix.com> Message-ID: <20080121004209.GB14675@panix.com> On Sat, Jan 19, 2008, Edward Cherlin wrote: > > I've thought about it some more, and decided to volunteer to lead the > effort. Kewl! What's your availability over the next couple of months? That is, there is a proposal to select PyCon 2010 at PyCon 2008; I think that's an aggressive schedule, but if you feel comfortable with that, I won't oppose it (on the PyCon list). > We need a separate mailing list and a place to meet. And a Web > site. Anyone? My preference is to do this under the existing PyCon infrastructure: ask the python.org admins for another mailing list and use a slice of the python.org wiki. I can also host a list on pythoncraft.com if people prefer. -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection." --Butler Lampson From echerlin at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 01:42:17 2008 From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:42:17 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: <3b9650f60801201514l8fbd0d5t835c906122b7c009@mail.gmail.com> References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> <20080118143351.GA7885@panix.com> <8249c4ac0801191840o3c6e5b4ax532a85a1ccccc4a4@mail.gmail.com> <4869cee70801201506t7cfb08ceid0d82ed0c1ca2ae5@mail.gmail.com> <3b9650f60801201514l8fbd0d5t835c906122b7c009@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 20, 2008 3:14 PM, John Menerick wrote: > I would be more than willing to setup the site and mailing list. Just let > me know and I will set everything up. PyconBA at Google groups, then, unless anybody has an objection. > John Menerick -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay From echerlin at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 01:55:05 2008 From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:55:05 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: <20080121003900.GA14675@panix.com> References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> <20080118143351.GA7885@panix.com> <8249c4ac0801191840o3c6e5b4ax532a85a1ccccc4a4@mail.gmail.com> <4869cee70801201506t7cfb08ceid0d82ed0c1ca2ae5@mail.gmail.com> <20080121003900.GA14675@panix.com> Message-ID: On Jan 20, 2008 4:39 PM, Aahz wrote: > On Mon, Jan 21, 2008, Leslie Hawthorn wrote: > > > > In response to an earlier question, yes Google would be happy to > > sponsor PyCon and we're one of the sponsors for PyCon '08. > > As I said, the more important question relevant to running PyCon in the > Bay Area is whether Google (and other local companies) is interested in > contributing "people points" (for example, people to run registration > during the conference). I'll leave that to Leslie to reply to. > > We also frequently host open source conferences/gatherings at Google, > > and we'd likely be happy to host the festivities provided that works > > well for the community. I'd be happy to talk to folks on or off list > > about what we could provide were we to host the conference on our > > campus and how well that would map to your needs. > > Currently, PyCon is at a size that fits reasonably well into a large > business-class hotel, and I would prefer to continue that because having > conference next to sleeping accomodations tends to foster more > socializing. (And my reading is that the rest of the concom agrees.) I just checked the hotels near Google, and there aren't any. We would be shuttling from downtown Palo Alto, at best. So we can consider an evening at Google, or something of the sort, and look at the regular hotels and convention centers for the main venue. > -- > Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ > > "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of > indirection." --Butler Lampson > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay From aahz at pythoncraft.com Mon Jan 21 01:56:26 2008 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:56:26 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> <20080118143351.GA7885@panix.com> Message-ID: <20080121005625.GB3034@panix.com> On Fri, Jan 18, 2008, Edward Cherlin wrote: > > The local Chairbeing is not the Conference Chair. Our staff and crew > will be responsible for defined local arrangements, and not for > program, exhibits, or speakers. Isn't that right? That roughly matches my understanding. > Questions? I don't have the answers, but I know whom to ask for them. Here's the 2010 bid page, which includes a lot of questions (to make it easy for everyone to see): Background PyCon is an inexpensive, community-oriented conference for users and developers of the Python programming language, organized by the Python Software Foundation and a group of volunteers. PyCon 2007 had attendances of almost 600 people. PyCon is a North American conference; we don't intend to move into territory served by EuroPython or Python UK. So far all PyCons have been in the US, but we're open to considering locations in Canada and Mexico. Traditionally the structure of PyCon has been three days of presentations, and two to four days of sprints. PyCon 2006 added a pre-conference tutorial day that was a great success and it has since become a standard part of the PyCon experience. In the past, the location for PyCon was chosen through a grass-roots bid process. Local groups with a passion for bringing PyCon to their area got together and solicited bids from local hotels and other venues. That process embodied the community spirit that drives not only PyCon but also the whole of the Python language. Year after year, PyCon has seen impressive attendance growth and continued enthusiasm from the community, bringing attendees from far and wide. The growth has been exciting, but it has put PyCon into a class of conferences that not every venue can handle. But PyCon is now a class of conference that many venues will compete for. A New Bid Process As PyCon has grown, the demands made by the traditional bid process have grown as well -- there are larger requirements with a smaller selection of venues available to suit our needs. Moreover, those extra challenges were faced not just by one group, but by all the local groups who were interested in hosting PyCon. There was a massive duplication of effort across all of the bidding groups. Many of the local groups have little to no experience with selecting venues and negotiating contracts for large venues. It has become clear that the old bid process would quickly limit PyCon, either through escalating costs due to inexperienced negotiation, or worse, through a process of overwhelming our wonderful local volunteers with a complex and demanding process. Beginning with the 2008 bid from the Chicago group, PyCon has begun working with a professional meeting management group in order to help select venues and negotiate contracts. This allows precious volunteer energy to be re-focused on the important things: making PyCon the experience we all want it to be. Therefore, the requirements for future PyCon bids will be different than years past in that we won't be asking local groups to actually begin negotiations with venues. Instead, we're looking for a somewhat less formal proposal telling us why PyCon should be held in your local area: * Tell us, briefly, what's good and what's great about the city/region/state that would make it a good place to host PyCon. Tell us the pros and cons about the local area: + Are major venues (1000+ person capacity) plentiful? + Are they clustered or located in any particular area? + Transportation resources: o How close is the nearest major airport to the heart of the city or region? o What sort of transportation options are available? Bus, taxi, train, light-rail, subway, etc. How much does a trip on each cost? o How close are these resources to the large venues you identified above? + What other major (1000+ attendee) events has your area hosted recently? o Any tech-related events? + How's the weather? Remember, the target is for PyCon to be held between mid-February and mid-April. * Tell us about your group: + Who are you? + What's your connection to Python? + How many volunteers can you expect to provide for PyCon? Remember, this is planning for two years in advance. + Are there any key players who bring experience or skills that you feel are particularly valuable to PyCon? + Looking at the PyCon staff roles list, are there any local people who would be committed to filling a particualr role? * Tell us about the local Python community: + Users group(s) for Python? Django? Zope? Plone? Any local university Python groups? + Local companies doing exciting things with Python? o Would they be interested in sponsoring PyCon? * Tell us about the local tech community: + Who are the big IT and Tech related companies in the area? o Do they use Python? -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection." --Butler Lampson From aahz at pythoncraft.com Mon Jan 21 01:59:27 2008 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 16:59:27 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> <20080118143351.GA7885@panix.com> <8249c4ac0801191840o3c6e5b4ax532a85a1ccccc4a4@mail.gmail.com> <4869cee70801201506t7cfb08ceid0d82ed0c1ca2ae5@mail.gmail.com> <3b9650f60801201514l8fbd0d5t835c906122b7c009@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080121005927.GD3034@panix.com> On Sun, Jan 20, 2008, Edward Cherlin wrote: > On Jan 20, 2008 3:14 PM, John Menerick wrote: >> >> I would be more than willing to setup the site and mailing list. Just let >> me know and I will set everything up. > > PyconBA at Google groups, then, unless anybody has an objection. I'm objecting. ;-) (I don't do Google Groups.) -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection." --Butler Lampson From echerlin at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 02:07:13 2008 From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:07:13 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: <20080121004209.GB14675@panix.com> References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> <20080118143351.GA7885@panix.com> <20080121004209.GB14675@panix.com> Message-ID: On Jan 20, 2008 4:42 PM, Aahz wrote: > On Sat, Jan 19, 2008, Edward Cherlin wrote: > > > > I've thought about it some more, and decided to volunteer to lead the > > effort. > > Kewl! What's your availability over the next couple of months? Pretty good. > That is, > there is a proposal to select PyCon 2010 at PyCon 2008; I think that's an > aggressive schedule, but if you feel comfortable with that, I won't > oppose it (on the PyCon list). Who else is bidding? What do we have to have lined up? What's the bid process? The voting process? > > We need a separate mailing list and a place to meet. And a Web > > site. Anyone? > > My preference is to do this under the existing PyCon infrastructure: ask > the python.org admins for another mailing list and use a slice of the > python.org wiki. I can also host a list on pythoncraft.com if people > prefer. Can we do a staff signup page on the Wiki? If so, let's discuss. John? > -- > > Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ > > "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of > indirection." --Butler Lampson > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay From echerlin at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 02:09:22 2008 From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:09:22 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: <20080121005927.GD3034@panix.com> References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> <20080118143351.GA7885@panix.com> <8249c4ac0801191840o3c6e5b4ax532a85a1ccccc4a4@mail.gmail.com> <4869cee70801201506t7cfb08ceid0d82ed0c1ca2ae5@mail.gmail.com> <3b9650f60801201514l8fbd0d5t835c906122b7c009@mail.gmail.com> <20080121005927.GD3034@panix.com> Message-ID: On Jan 20, 2008 4:59 PM, Aahz wrote: > On Sun, Jan 20, 2008, Edward Cherlin wrote: > > On Jan 20, 2008 3:14 PM, John Menerick wrote: > >> > >> I would be more than willing to setup the site and mailing list. Just let > >> me know and I will set everything up. > > > > PyconBA at Google groups, then, unless anybody has an objection. > > I'm objecting. ;-) (I don't do Google Groups.) Python.org, then? > -- > Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ > > "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of > indirection." --Butler Lampson > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay From aahz at pythoncraft.com Mon Jan 21 02:11:34 2008 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:11:34 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] PYCON In-Reply-To: References: <001801c859f7$aec5ec60$0200a8c0@Untangle.local> <3b9650f60801180938o27c621sdb61d84a38562522@mail.gmail.com> <4790E54E.5040204@mvista.com> <20080118184929.GA15970@panix.com> <3b9650f60801181100m34aaf3a7hce4dd7b78ba18d0e@mail.gmail.com> <20080118193839.GA19165@panix.com> Message-ID: <20080121011134.GF3034@panix.com> On Fri, Jan 18, 2008, Charles Merriam wrote: > > Four Questions Before Committing: > - What's the estimated size of this conference? > - Will there be exhibitors (trade show format) area? > - Will there be exhibits only badges? Estimated size is tricky given that PyCon has been growing. 2007 had almost 600 people, 2008 is planned for 800, and the bid process is projecting 1000+ for 2010. We should locate facilities that can handle 600-1500 people. (And given how much the Bay Area is central to the Python community these days, I would expect the higher end of that range. I wouldn't even complain if we focused on facilities that could support 2000 people.) There will be a trade-show area this year and it seems likely to continue as a desired feature. I don't remember what the exhibits-only policy is for exhibitors; there has not been an exhibits-only attendance mechanism and I doubt one will be created. -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection." --Butler Lampson From aahz at pythoncraft.com Mon Jan 21 02:12:55 2008 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:12:55 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: References: <20080118143351.GA7885@panix.com> <8249c4ac0801191840o3c6e5b4ax532a85a1ccccc4a4@mail.gmail.com> <4869cee70801201506t7cfb08ceid0d82ed0c1ca2ae5@mail.gmail.com> <3b9650f60801201514l8fbd0d5t835c906122b7c009@mail.gmail.com> <20080121005927.GD3034@panix.com> Message-ID: <20080121011254.GA26696@panix.com> On Sun, Jan 20, 2008, Edward Cherlin wrote: > On Jan 20, 2008 4:59 PM, Aahz wrote: >> On Sun, Jan 20, 2008, Edward Cherlin wrote: >>> On Jan 20, 2008 3:14 PM, John Menerick wrote: >>>> >>>> I would be more than willing to setup the site and mailing list. Just let >>>> me know and I will set everything up. >>> >>> PyconBA at Google groups, then, unless anybody has an objection. >> >> I'm objecting. ;-) (I don't do Google Groups.) > > Python.org, then? Yup, pycon-ba at python.org would be my suggestion. Send e-mail to postmaster at python.org; I'm happy to be a backup list admin. -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection." --Butler Lampson From lhawthorn at google.com Mon Jan 21 03:35:11 2008 From: lhawthorn at google.com (Leslie Hawthorn) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 13:35:11 +1100 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> <20080118143351.GA7885@panix.com> <8249c4ac0801191840o3c6e5b4ax532a85a1ccccc4a4@mail.gmail.com> <4869cee70801201506t7cfb08ceid0d82ed0c1ca2ae5@mail.gmail.com> <20080121003900.GA14675@panix.com> Message-ID: <4869cee70801201835x47d2adaud3eb5196c4cc9152@mail.gmail.com> On Jan 21, 2008 11:55 AM, Edward Cherlin wrote: > On Jan 20, 2008 4:39 PM, Aahz wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 21, 2008, Leslie Hawthorn wrote: > > > > > > In response to an earlier question, yes Google would be happy to > > > sponsor PyCon and we're one of the sponsors for PyCon '08. > > > > As I said, the more important question relevant to running PyCon in the > > Bay Area is whether Google (and other local companies) is interested in > > contributing "people points" (for example, people to run registration > > during the conference). > > I'll leave that to Leslie to reply to. I can't make any promises this far out, but I can say that we have enough Python enthusiasts at Google that I can imagine finding volunteers for such roles would not be difficult. -- Leslie Hawthorn Program Manager - Open Source Google Inc. http://code.google.com/opensource/ From echerlin at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 04:44:04 2008 From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:44:04 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: <20080121005625.GB3034@panix.com> References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> <20080118143351.GA7885@panix.com> <20080121005625.GB3034@panix.com> Message-ID: On Jan 20, 2008 4:56 PM, Aahz wrote: > On Fri, Jan 18, 2008, Edward Cherlin wrote: > > > > The local Chairbeing is not the Conference Chair. Our staff and crew > > will be responsible for defined local arrangements, and not for > > program, exhibits, or speakers. Isn't that right? > > That roughly matches my understanding. > > > Questions? I don't have the answers, but I know whom to ask for them. > > Here's the 2010 bid page, which includes a lot of questions (to make it > easy for everyone to see): Excellent. Perfect for discussion on a Wiki. I've created the PyCon2010 page on the Python.org Wiki. We can add topics as needed. I have put in the beginnings of many of the answers. Those who know more or are willing to dig around should send in more information. No, don't do that. Go add your answers to the Wiki. I'm creating a page...have created a page called PyCon2010Bid, which will be available for your editing pleasure in a few minutes. > Background > > PyCon is an inexpensive, community-oriented conference for users and > developers of the Python programming language, organized by the Python > Software Foundation and a group of volunteers. PyCon 2007 had > attendances of almost 600 people. > > PyCon is a North American conference; we don't intend to move into > territory served by EuroPython or Python UK. So far all PyCons have > been in the US, but we're open to considering locations in Canada and > Mexico. > > Traditionally the structure of PyCon has been three days of > presentations, and two to four days of sprints. PyCon 2006 added a > pre-conference tutorial day that was a great success and it has since > become a standard part of the PyCon experience. > > In the past, the location for PyCon was chosen through a grass-roots > bid process. Local groups with a passion for bringing PyCon to their > area got together and solicited bids from local hotels and other > venues. That process embodied the community spirit that drives not only > PyCon but also the whole of the Python language. > > Year after year, PyCon has seen impressive attendance growth and > continued enthusiasm from the community, bringing attendees from far > and wide. The growth has been exciting, but it has put PyCon into a > class of conferences that not every venue can handle. But PyCon is now > a class of conference that many venues will compete for. > > A New Bid Process > > As PyCon has grown, the demands made by the traditional bid process > have grown as well -- there are larger requirements with a smaller > selection of venues available to suit our needs. Moreover, those extra > challenges were faced not just by one group, but by all the local > groups who were interested in hosting PyCon. There was a massive > duplication of effort across all of the bidding groups. Many of the > local groups have little to no experience with selecting venues and > negotiating contracts for large venues. It has become clear that the > old bid process would quickly limit PyCon, either through escalating > costs due to inexperienced negotiation, or worse, through a process of > overwhelming our wonderful local volunteers with a complex and > demanding process. > > Beginning with the 2008 bid from the Chicago group, PyCon has begun > working with a professional meeting management group in order to help > select venues and negotiate contracts. This allows precious volunteer > energy to be re-focused on the important things: making PyCon the > experience we all want it to be. Therefore, the requirements for future > PyCon bids will be different than years past in that we won't be asking > local groups to actually begin negotiations with venues. Right. We can identify candidates, but we won't be negotiating the contract. > Instead, we're looking for a somewhat less formal proposal telling us > why PyCon should be held in your local area: > * Tell us, briefly, what's good and what's great about the > city/region/state that would make it a good place to host PyCon. bayPiggies, Silicon Valley, Guido, Google... > Tell us the pros and cons about the local area: > + Are major venues (1000+ person capacity) plentiful? Yes. Moscone, Santa Clara Convention Center, San Jose Convention Center, various hotels > + Are they clustered or located in any particular area? San Francisco, Peninsula, South Bay, East Bay > + Transportation resources: > o How close is the nearest major airport to the heart of > the city or region? SFO 15 miles from downtown San Francisco SJC 5 miles from downtown San Jose > o What sort of transportation options are available? Bus, > taxi, train, light-rail, subway, etc. How much does a > trip on each cost? Yes to all. Details to be gathered. > o How close are these resources to the large venues you > identified above? Same distances > + What other major (1000+ attendee) events has your area hosted > recently? > o Any tech-related events? Only a few hundred in recent years. :-) > + How's the weather? Remember, the target is for PyCon to be > held between mid-February and mid-April. No snow, anyway. > * Tell us about your group: > + Who are you? Bay Area Python Interest Group > + What's your connection to Python? duh > + How many volunteers can you expect to provide for PyCon? A few dozen > Remember, this is planning for two years in advance. > + Are there any key players who bring experience or skills that > you feel are particularly valuable to PyCon? Well, Guido, for one. > + Looking at the PyCon staff roles list, are there any local > people who would be committed to filling a particualr role? Yes. Ed Cherlin, Chairbeing John Menerick, Webmaster Aahz, (I've entered you as Acting Lord High This and That; you should go and say what you want to do.) > * Tell us about the local Python community: > + Users group(s) for Python? Django? Zope? Plone? Any local > university Python groups? Indeed. BayPiggies, XO Hacking Society (SF and Silicon Valley)... > + Local companies doing exciting things with Python? > o Would they be interested in sponsoring PyCon? Google, for a start. > * Tell us about the local tech community: > + Who are the big IT and Tech related companies in the area? Uh, wow. Google, HP, Apple, Intel, AMD, IBM, and a cast of thousands. > o Do they use Python? Some of them. > -- > > Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ > > "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of > indirection." --Butler Lampson > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay From echerlin at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 05:14:29 2008 From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:14:29 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] PYCON In-Reply-To: <4790E54E.5040204@mvista.com> References: <001801c859f7$aec5ec60$0200a8c0@Untangle.local> <3b9650f60801180938o27c621sdb61d84a38562522@mail.gmail.com> <4790E54E.5040204@mvista.com> Message-ID: On Jan 18, 2008 9:43 AM, Carl J. Van Arsdall wrote: > John Menerick wrote: > > I would be willing to co-lead the effort. > > It all seems like a lot for one person. Perhaps a committee should form > and they can nominate away various responsibilities. Is that a hand I see waving in the air? > -carl -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay From echerlin at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 08:24:09 2008 From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:24:09 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] PYCON In-Reply-To: <001801c859f7$aec5ec60$0200a8c0@Untangle.local> References: <001801c859f7$aec5ec60$0200a8c0@Untangle.local> Message-ID: On Jan 18, 2008 9:29 AM, Andrew Fife wrote: > I am also willing to help organize this. Like others, I can't lead the > effort but would be happy to lend a helping hand. Also, I'm happy to > consider Untangle as a potential sponsor. Thank you, twice. Please put yourself on the Wiki page. > ---------------------------------------- > Andrew Fife > Untangle - Open Source Security Gateway > download.untangle.com > > 650.425.3327 (O) > 415.806.6028 (C) > afife at untangle.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay From echerlin at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 08:24:09 2008 From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:24:09 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] PYCON In-Reply-To: <001801c859f7$aec5ec60$0200a8c0@Untangle.local> References: <001801c859f7$aec5ec60$0200a8c0@Untangle.local> Message-ID: On Jan 18, 2008 9:29 AM, Andrew Fife wrote: > I am also willing to help organize this. Like others, I can't lead the > effort but would be happy to lend a helping hand. Also, I'm happy to > consider Untangle as a potential sponsor. Thank you, twice. Please put yourself on the Wiki page. > ---------------------------------------- > Andrew Fife > Untangle - Open Source Security Gateway > download.untangle.com > > 650.425.3327 (O) > 415.806.6028 (C) > afife at untangle.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay From charles.merriam at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 08:36:43 2008 From: charles.merriam at gmail.com (Charles Merriam) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:36:43 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> <20080118143351.GA7885@panix.com> Message-ID: > > Heather is working with Charles and me and the others on the OLPC > Sugar factory idea. >... > -- > Edward Cherlin Unless this is a different 'Charles', I just blogged the idea and threw a copy of the idea on the OLPC wiki. That's my complete current and projected involvement in a "sugar factory". Just being clear, -- Charles From echerlin at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 08:48:07 2008 From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:48:07 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> <20080118143351.GA7885@panix.com> Message-ID: On Jan 20, 2008 11:36 PM, Charles Merriam wrote: > > > > Heather is working with Charles and me and the others on the OLPC > > Sugar factory idea. Sorry, Charles. There was supposed to be an "expressed interest in". > > -- > > Edward Cherlin > > Unless this is a different 'Charles', I just blogged the idea and > threw a copy of the idea on the OLPC wiki. That's my complete current > and projected involvement in a "sugar factory". I think I misunderstood. Sorry again. > Just being clear, > > -- Charles -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay From john at cellspinsoft.com Mon Jan 21 19:59:14 2008 From: john at cellspinsoft.com (John Menerick) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:59:14 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] PYCON In-Reply-To: References: <001801c859f7$aec5ec60$0200a8c0@Untangle.local> <3b9650f60801180938o27c621sdb61d84a38562522@mail.gmail.com> <4790E54E.5040204@mvista.com> Message-ID: <3b9650f60801211059i54cbe5f8gbea4ca23dd363972@mail.gmail.com> That is a hand in the air. Lets go the route of the python wiki and email list. John Menerick On 1/20/08, Edward Cherlin wrote: > > On Jan 18, 2008 9:43 AM, Carl J. Van Arsdall > wrote: > > John Menerick wrote: > > > I would be willing to co-lead the effort. > > > > It all seems like a lot for one person. Perhaps a committee should form > > and they can nominate away various responsibilities. > > Is that a hand I see waving in the air? > > > -carl > > -- > Edward Cherlin > End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business > http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ > "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20080121/a74cc27f/attachment.htm From echerlin at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 20:24:21 2008 From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 11:24:21 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] PYCON In-Reply-To: <3b9650f60801211059i54cbe5f8gbea4ca23dd363972@mail.gmail.com> References: <001801c859f7$aec5ec60$0200a8c0@Untangle.local> <3b9650f60801180938o27c621sdb61d84a38562522@mail.gmail.com> <4790E54E.5040204@mvista.com> <3b9650f60801211059i54cbe5f8gbea4ca23dd363972@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 21, 2008 10:59 AM, John Menerick wrote: > That is a hand in the air. Yes, thank you, I got your positive offer to help. I was trying to ask Carl if he was in. I'm sorry I wasn't clear. > Lets go the route of the python wiki and email > list. Agreed. > John Menerick > > > > On 1/20/08, Edward Cherlin < echerlin at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jan 18, 2008 9:43 AM, Carl J. Van Arsdall < cvanarsdall at mvista.com> > wrote: > > > John Menerick wrote: > > > > I would be willing to co-lead the effort. > > > > > > It all seems like a lot for one person. Perhaps a committee should form > > > and they can nominate away various responsibilities. > > > > Is that a hand I see waving in the air? > > > > > -carl > > > > -- > > Edward Cherlin > > End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business > > http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ > > "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay From rdm at cfcl.com Tue Jan 22 16:17:13 2008 From: rdm at cfcl.com (Rich Morin) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 07:17:13 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] BASS Meeting (SF), Wed. January 23 Message-ID: We had lots of fun networking our XO (OLPC) last time, so we'll be bringing it to BASS again. The UI is based on Squeak and Python is used for a lot of the programming, so it's quite a testament to the power of scripting languages. The Beer and Scripting SIG rides again! If you'd like to eat good Chinese food, chat with other local scripters, and possibly take a look at laptop-demoed scripting hacks, this is the place to do it! For your convenience, here are the critical details: Date: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 (4th. Wed.) Time: 8:00 pm Place: Pasquales Pizzeria 701 Irving St. (At 8th. Ave.) San Francisco, California, USA 415/661-2140 See the BASS web page for more information: http://cfcl.com/rdm/bass/ -r P.S. Also consider attending the second PeepCode & Pizza gathering (Thursday, 1/24 in Redwood City). We'll be watching and discussing the Capistrano 2.1 screencast; for more information, see http://ruby.meetup.com/123/ -- http://www.cfcl.com/rdm Rich Morin http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/resume rdm at cfcl.com http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/weblog +1 650-873-7841 Technical editing and writing, programming, and web development From wescpy at gmail.com Tue Jan 22 23:41:32 2008 From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 14:41:32 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] [jobs] NearbyNow (mtn view) Message-ID: <78b3a9580801221441n5395aa75ka2db1f91c7fa4b17@mail.gmail.com> my company is hiring technical people... we are a Python shop. see the blurb below. contact me offlist if interested! thanks, -wesley NearbyNow is hiring engineers! We are the "Google of shopping centers," making every brand, product, and sale at a mall *searchable*, changing the way you shop forever! Sure there's online shopping, but an even faster developing trend is the number of people who *shop* online but *buy* offline -- this includes *you* if you need to obtain your item *today*, don't want to wait for shipping, or to buy items such as shoes and clothing you want to try on first before making a purchase. You can search malls via the web, or by using our SMS mobile platform with your cell phone if you are not near a computer. We even have a product availability feature where we check to see if an item is available for you at a store in the mall as well as giving you the ability to have it reserved for you to pick up! We can even tell you the closest parking lot to that store! Our company is growing quickly... we have nearly 200+ NearbyNow-enabled malls spread throughout the US now! Find out more about us at the link below... the jobs page is slightly outdated but does provide some company info: http://nearbynow.com We have great management and investor teams (just got our Series B last year), and our employees come from companies like Facebook, Yahoo!, Cisco, Ask.com, Akamai, Macromedia, LoudCloud, Netscape, Sun, SGI, Shopping.com, and PeopleSoft. We've also gotten a lot of press from the recent holiday season... we've been in the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, and most recently, the front page of the biz section in USA Today! If you're curious as to how our service works, there are a bunch of YouTube videos as well. We are primarily seeking sharp, detail-oriented, self-starter and visionary engineers (with a passion for coding *and* shopping), but positions are also open in the network operations and QA/testing teams. We code mainly in Python, but there is also some C, Java, and shell script and database development too. We have many open positions, but three of them include: 1. Experienced general software engineer comfortable in a mostly Linux (Red Hat, RHEL/CentOS) development environment with Python, Java, and/or C/C++ skills; comfortable throughout the stack, i.e., networking (TCP/IP), database access (SQL, ORMs [i.e. SQLobject]), threading, APIs/interfaces (XML, JSON, REST, HTTP, SOAP), report generation (CSV, XLS, etc.) plus dev tools like Trac, SVN, wiki 2. Web UI artisan... web2.0, AJAX, CSS, XML, templating, Javascript, JSON, DHTML, ID/UE-eye for details, etc., plus at least one backend server-side development language (Python, Java, PHP, C/C++) and Javascript library (Dojo, jQuery, Prototype, MooTools); bonus for having CherryPy + Cheetah and/or full-stack MVC web framework (Rails, Django, TurboGears/Pylons) experience; we have more than one of these positions! 3. Search architect with DB/SQL, archival, relevance, and search engine experience like Xapian, Lucene/Nutch, Egothor, etc. and developing data access-level APIs for applications; bonus for having SEO/SEM experience. We're located at the Palo Alto - Mtn View - Los Altos tri-city border near the corner of San Antonio and El Camino. Mail me privately at wesc at nearbynow dot com if you're interested. From jeff at drinktomi.com Wed Jan 23 02:47:17 2008 From: jeff at drinktomi.com (Jeff Younker) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:47:17 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> <20080118143351.GA7885@panix.com> <20080121005625.GB3034@panix.com> Message-ID: >> o What sort of transportation options are available? >> Bus, >> taxi, train, light-rail, subway, etc. How much does a >> trip on each cost? > > Yes to all. Details to be gathered. SFO -> downtown SF Taxi: $70-80 Super Shuttle: $40 BART: $12.00 -jeff From echerlin at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 08:37:21 2008 From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:37:21 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> <20080118143351.GA7885@panix.com> <20080121005625.GB3034@panix.com> Message-ID: On Jan 22, 2008 5:47 PM, Jeff Younker wrote: > >> o What sort of transportation options are available? > >> Bus, > >> taxi, train, light-rail, subway, etc. How much does a > >> trip on each cost? > > > > Yes to all. Details to be gathered. I went back and entered a lot of data yesterday. > SFO -> downtown SF > > Taxi: $70-80 > Super Shuttle: $40 > BART: $12.00 The Web sites I checked say #[http://www.bart.gov/ BART] SFO to Montgomery St., SF $5.35 #[http://www.bayshuttle.com/ Bay Shuttle], SFO-SF $16 What are your sources? > -jeff > > -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay From jeff at drinktomi.com Wed Jan 23 08:56:49 2008 From: jeff at drinktomi.com (Jeff Younker) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:56:49 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> <20080118143351.GA7885@panix.com> <20080121005625.GB3034@panix.com> Message-ID: On Jan 22, 2008, at 11:37 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: > On Jan 22, 2008 5:47 PM, Jeff Younker wrote: > >> SFO -> downtown SF >> >> Taxi: $70-80 >> Super Shuttle: $40 >> BART: $12.00 > > The Web sites I checked say > > #[http://www.bart.gov/ BART] SFO to Montgomery St., SF $5.35 > #[http://www.bayshuttle.com/ Bay Shuttle], SFO-SF $16 I was quoting round trip prices, so we're within a small margin of agreement. > What are your sources? I live near downtown, and I take transit to and from SFO several times a year. The approximate costs are near and dear to my heart. (Or at least my wallet.) -jeff From echerlin at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 11:41:18 2008 From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 02:41:18 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pycon for the Bay Area In-Reply-To: References: <77d044440801171431k9b98d47v2ef9932a80b2dd13@mail.gmail.com> <20080118143351.GA7885@panix.com> <20080121005625.GB3034@panix.com> Message-ID: On Jan 22, 2008 11:56 PM, Jeff Younker wrote: > On Jan 22, 2008, at 11:37 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: > > > On Jan 22, 2008 5:47 PM, Jeff Younker wrote: > > > >> SFO -> downtown SF > >> > >> Taxi: $70-80 > >> Super Shuttle: $40 > >> BART: $12.00 > > > > The Web sites I checked say > > > > #[http://www.bart.gov/ BART] SFO to Montgomery St., SF $5.35 > > #[http://www.bayshuttle.com/ Bay Shuttle], SFO-SF $16 > > I was quoting round trip prices, so we're within a small margin > of agreement. That's fine then. I quoted one way prices, figuring that you only go one way at a time. :-) I'll make that explicit. > > What are your sources? > > I live near downtown, and I take transit to and from SFO several > times a year. The approximate costs are near and dear to my > heart. (Or at least my wallet.) > > -jeff > > -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay From sjbrown at vmware.com Wed Jan 23 19:24:33 2008 From: sjbrown at vmware.com (Shandy Brown) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:24:33 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pygame meetup in SF? Message-ID: <1201112673.24759.5.camel@sbrown-dev2> A couple of us SFBay people were discussing a pygame-related meetup. Do any baypiggies have an interest in hacking on some pygame projects or on pygame itself? Pending a sufficient level of interest, perhaps we could meet next week in SF. Near BART is a must. A cafe with power and tables would be nice, any location suggestions? Shandy From niallo at unworkable.org Wed Jan 23 19:41:45 2008 From: niallo at unworkable.org (Niall O'Higgins) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:41:45 +0000 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pygame meetup in SF? In-Reply-To: <1201112673.24759.5.camel@sbrown-dev2> References: <1201112673.24759.5.camel@sbrown-dev2> Message-ID: <20080123184145.GR28939@unworkable.org> Metreon food court. SFOBUG meets there. On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 10:24:33AM -0800, Shandy Brown wrote: > A couple of us SFBay people were discussing a pygame-related meetup. Do > any baypiggies have an interest in hacking on some pygame projects or on > pygame itself? > > Pending a sufficient level of interest, perhaps we could meet next week > in SF. Near BART is a must. A cafe with power and tables would be > nice, any location suggestions? > > Shandy > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From jeff at drinktomi.com Wed Jan 23 20:09:23 2008 From: jeff at drinktomi.com (Jeff Younker) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:09:23 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pygame meetup in SF? In-Reply-To: <1201112673.24759.5.camel@sbrown-dev2> References: <1201112673.24759.5.camel@sbrown-dev2> Message-ID: It sounds fun. My two top suggestions for a meeting place would are: Phil's (24th & Folsom) Mission Creek Cafe (21st and Valencia) Phil's has a couple of large kitchen tables so people can sit round in a big group. They also have the best coffee in SF, and the second best pastries in the mission. It's also like you're sitting in Phil's living room. Very, very cozy. Mission creek has smaller tables, but it has even more room than Phil's. On the down side they've been replacing some of the fixtures with obnoxious fluorescents. The coffee is so-so as are the pastries, but they serve real food. Ritual Roasters is close by too, but the tables are tiny. The coffee is decent, the pastries are descent, and the place is constantly packed. - Jeff Younker - jeff at drinktomi.com - On Jan 23, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Shandy Brown wrote: > A couple of us SFBay people were discussing a pygame-related > meetup. Do > any baypiggies have an interest in hacking on some pygame projects > or on > pygame itself? > > Pending a sufficient level of interest, perhaps we could meet next > week > in SF. Near BART is a must. A cafe with power and tables would be > nice, any location suggestions? > > Shandy > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From echerlin at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 20:20:06 2008 From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:20:06 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pygame meetup in SF? In-Reply-To: <20080123184145.GR28939@unworkable.org> References: <1201112673.24759.5.camel@sbrown-dev2> <20080123184145.GR28939@unworkable.org> Message-ID: On Jan 23, 2008 10:41 AM, Niall O'Higgins wrote: > Metreon food court. SFOBUG meets there. That would be convenient if we also wanted to visit the Zeum. They are very interested in having an XO room. > On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 10:24:33AM -0800, Shandy Brown wrote: > > A couple of us SFBay people were discussing a pygame-related meetup. Do > > any baypiggies have an interest in hacking on some pygame projects or on > > pygame itself? > > > > Pending a sufficient level of interest, perhaps we could meet next week > > in SF. Near BART is a must. A cafe with power and tables would be > > nice, any location suggestions? > > > > Shandy > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay From echerlin at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 20:26:51 2008 From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 11:26:51 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pygame meetup in SF? In-Reply-To: References: <1201112673.24759.5.camel@sbrown-dev2> Message-ID: On Jan 23, 2008 11:09 AM, Jeff Younker wrote: > It sounds fun. > > My two top suggestions for a meeting place would are: > > Phil's (24th & Folsom) Four short blocks from the 24th and Mission BART station > Mission Creek Cafe (21st and Valencia) Three long blocks and two short from the 24th and Mission BART station > Phil's has a couple of large kitchen tables so > people can sit round in a big group. They also > have the best coffee in SF, and the second best > pastries in the mission. It's also like you're sitting > in Phil's living room. Very, very cozy. > > Mission creek has smaller tables, but it has even > more room than Phil's. On the down side they've > been replacing some of the fixtures with obnoxious > fluorescents. The coffee is so-so as are the > pastries, but they serve real food. > > Ritual Roasters is close by too, but the tables are > tiny. The coffee is decent, the pastries are > descent, and the place is constantly packed. Right around the corner from Mission Creek > - Jeff Younker - jeff at drinktomi.com - > > > > > On Jan 23, 2008, at 10:24 AM, Shandy Brown wrote: > > > A couple of us SFBay people were discussing a pygame-related > > meetup. Do > > any baypiggies have an interest in hacking on some pygame projects > > or on > > pygame itself? > > > > Pending a sufficient level of interest, perhaps we could meet next > > week > > in SF. Near BART is a must. A cafe with power and tables would be > > nice, any location suggestions? > > > > Shandy > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay From jjinux at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 21:32:12 2008 From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:32:12 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Who wants to be the new list moderator? Message-ID: Hey guys, I have now been the list moderator for BayPiggies for a year. A year ago, I said that I would be happy to relinquish my position after a one year term. When I accepted this position from Aahz, the list didn't take a vote per se. Rather, there was some combination of rough consensus among the members along with the fact that Aahz figured I'd do a good job. In selecting a new moderator, I'd like to maintain the same spirit. I.e. I'd like to see some rough consensus among the members for someone that I think understands list etiquette well enough to do the job properly. With the exception of the hearing impaired like Aahz, I'd *prefer* for the moderator to be someone who can make it to almost every meeting. I think I've only missed one within the last year. I think that that's helpful to insure some continuum between the meetings and the mailing list. Having been email moderator for a year, I can say that it's neither terribly difficult, nor terribly glamorous. The most important thing is to understand list etiquette and to very politely enforce it. If you'd like to be the new list moderator, or if you'd like to nominate someone else to be the new list moderator, please raise your hand. If someone gets nominated who you approve or disapprove of, a +1 or -1 respectively would be helpful, but let's please be polite. Like I said before, I'm looking for rough consensus rather than an exact vote. Best Regards, -jj -- I, for one, welcome our new Facebook overlords! http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ From p at ulmcnett.com Wed Jan 23 21:42:15 2008 From: p at ulmcnett.com (Paul McNett) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:42:15 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Who wants to be the new list moderator? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4797A6A7.6070505@ulmcnett.com> I nominate jj. I've not made a meeting for well over a year, but the list has been smooth, useful, and entertaining. Why change a good thing? Paul -- http://paulmcnett.com From aahz at pythoncraft.com Wed Jan 23 22:10:21 2008 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:10:21 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Who wants to be the new list moderator? In-Reply-To: <4797A6A7.6070505@ulmcnett.com> References: <4797A6A7.6070505@ulmcnett.com> Message-ID: <20080123211021.GA22503@panix.com> On Wed, Jan 23, 2008, Paul McNett wrote: > > I nominate jj. > > I've not made a meeting for well over a year, but the list has been > smooth, useful, and entertaining. Why change a good thing? Seconded! -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection." --Butler Lampson From jim at well.com Wed Jan 23 22:14:37 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:14:37 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Who wants to be the new list moderator? In-Reply-To: <4797A6A7.6070505@ulmcnett.com> References: <4797A6A7.6070505@ulmcnett.com> Message-ID: <72c43e84c628432ded17ffca8489e74a@well.com> me, too! jj for 2008. On Jan 23, 2008, at 12:42 PM, Paul McNett wrote: > I nominate jj. > > I've not made a meeting for well over a year, but the list has been > smooth, useful, and entertaining. Why change a good thing? > > Paul > > -- > http://paulmcnett.com > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From guido at python.org Wed Jan 23 22:12:22 2008 From: guido at python.org (Guido van Rossum) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:12:22 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Who wants to be the new list moderator? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You're doing great, JJ. No need to change or be modest about it, unless you really no longer want to do it (which I don't read in your message). --Guido On Jan 23, 2008 12:32 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > Hey guys, > > I have now been the list moderator for BayPiggies for a year. A year > ago, I said that I would be happy to relinquish my position after a > one year term. > > When I accepted this position from Aahz, the list didn't take a vote > per se. Rather, there was some combination of rough consensus among > the members along with the fact that Aahz figured I'd do a good job. > In selecting a new moderator, I'd like to maintain the same spirit. > I.e. I'd like to see some rough consensus among the members for > someone that I think understands list etiquette well enough to do the > job properly. > > With the exception of the hearing impaired like Aahz, I'd *prefer* for > the moderator to be someone who can make it to almost every meeting. > I think I've only missed one within the last year. I think that > that's helpful to insure some continuum between the meetings and the > mailing list. > > Having been email moderator for a year, I can say that it's neither > terribly difficult, nor terribly glamorous. The most important thing > is to understand list etiquette and to very politely enforce it. > > If you'd like to be the new list moderator, or if you'd like to > nominate someone else to be the new list moderator, please raise your > hand. If someone gets nominated who you approve or disapprove of, a > +1 or -1 respectively would be helpful, but let's please be polite. > Like I said before, I'm looking for rough consensus rather than an > exact vote. > > Best Regards, > -jj > > -- > I, for one, welcome our new Facebook overlords! > http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From charles.merriam at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 22:43:31 2008 From: charles.merriam at gmail.com (Charles Merriam) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:43:31 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pygame meetup in SF? In-Reply-To: <1201112673.24759.5.camel@sbrown-dev2> References: <1201112673.24759.5.camel@sbrown-dev2> Message-ID: I'm interested in a PyGame or XO meet-up anywhere in the south bay (RWC on down). If there is sufficient interest, both could be held on different days with some benefit to sharing information. I would suggest Neto Cafe, which is a few feet from the Casto Street, Mountain View light-rail and CalTrains stations. Is anyone else interested in the South Bay? Charles On Jan 23, 2008 10:24 AM, Shandy Brown wrote: > A couple of us SFBay people were discussing a pygame-related meetup. Do > any baypiggies have an interest in hacking on some pygame projects or on > pygame itself? > > Pending a sufficient level of interest, perhaps we could meet next week > in SF. Near BART is a must. A cafe with power and tables would be > nice, any location suggestions? > > Shandy > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From jjinux at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 23:46:31 2008 From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:46:31 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pygame meetup in SF? In-Reply-To: <1201112673.24759.5.camel@sbrown-dev2> References: <1201112673.24759.5.camel@sbrown-dev2> Message-ID: On Jan 23, 2008 10:24 AM, Shandy Brown wrote: > A couple of us SFBay people were discussing a pygame-related meetup. Do > any baypiggies have an interest in hacking on some pygame projects or on > pygame itself? > > Pending a sufficient level of interest, perhaps we could meet next week > in SF. Near BART is a must. A cafe with power and tables would be > nice, any location suggestions? I'd probably attend. -jj -- I, for one, welcome our new Facebook overlords! http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ From jjinux at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 23:51:53 2008 From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:51:53 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Who wants to be the new list moderator? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You guys are all very kind. I don't mind continuing to do it. I'm just holding to my promise of being willing to step aside after a year. I'll give it another couple days. If no one objects, I'll commit to another year. Thanks, -jj On Jan 23, 2008 1:12 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > You're doing great, JJ. No need to change or be modest about it, > unless you really no longer want to do it (which I don't read in your > message). > > --Guido > > > On Jan 23, 2008 12:32 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > > Hey guys, > > > > I have now been the list moderator for BayPiggies for a year. A year > > ago, I said that I would be happy to relinquish my position after a > > one year term. > > > > When I accepted this position from Aahz, the list didn't take a vote > > per se. Rather, there was some combination of rough consensus among > > the members along with the fact that Aahz figured I'd do a good job. > > In selecting a new moderator, I'd like to maintain the same spirit. > > I.e. I'd like to see some rough consensus among the members for > > someone that I think understands list etiquette well enough to do the > > job properly. > > > > With the exception of the hearing impaired like Aahz, I'd *prefer* for > > the moderator to be someone who can make it to almost every meeting. > > I think I've only missed one within the last year. I think that > > that's helpful to insure some continuum between the meetings and the > > mailing list. > > > > Having been email moderator for a year, I can say that it's neither > > terribly difficult, nor terribly glamorous. The most important thing > > is to understand list etiquette and to very politely enforce it. > > > > If you'd like to be the new list moderator, or if you'd like to > > nominate someone else to be the new list moderator, please raise your > > hand. If someone gets nominated who you approve or disapprove of, a > > +1 or -1 respectively would be helpful, but let's please be polite. > > Like I said before, I'm looking for rough consensus rather than an > > exact vote. > > > > Best Regards, > > -jj > > > > -- > > I, for one, welcome our new Facebook overlords! > > http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > > > -- > --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) > -- I, for one, welcome our new Facebook overlords! http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ From alecf at flett.org Thu Jan 24 18:54:57 2008 From: alecf at flett.org (Alec Flett) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:54:57 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Valentines day baypiggies? Message-ID: So I've been trying to get down to another baypiggies meeting, decided february would be my month.. until I realized that the 2nd thursday of February is... Valentines day.. I'm sure I'm the only one who can't spend the night of valentines day out with.. well, anyone other than my wife. Just curious if meetings are ever moved? Alec -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20080124/e0337376/attachment.htm From guido at python.org Thu Jan 24 19:07:51 2008 From: guido at python.org (Guido van Rossum) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:07:51 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Valentines day baypiggies? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 24, 2008 9:54 AM, Alec Flett wrote: > So I've been trying to get down to another baypiggies meeting, decided > february would be my month.. until I realized that the 2nd thursday of > February is... Valentines day.. > > I'm sure I'm the only one who can't spend the night of valentines day out > with.. well, anyone other than my wife. > > Just curious if meetings are ever moved? Well, I got permission from my sweetie to do the presentation on Feb 14, so unless you've got a better idea, it's on. It's on Py3k. Don't miss it. PS Valentine's day is an invention of the candy heart industry. The true Valentine's day is whenever you want it to be. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From charles.merriam at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 20:29:08 2008 From: charles.merriam at gmail.com (Charles Merriam) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:29:08 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Valentines day baypiggies? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll make it. From other's experiences on conflicting with V-day, I would expect about a 15% turnout. Alternately, Feb 21.? -- Charles On Jan 24, 2008 10:07 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > On Jan 24, 2008 9:54 AM, Alec Flett wrote: > > So I've been trying to get down to another baypiggies meeting, decided > > february would be my month.. until I realized that the 2nd thursday of > > February is... Valentines day.. > > > > I'm sure I'm the only one who can't spend the night of valentines day out > > with.. well, anyone other than my wife. > > > > Just curious if meetings are ever moved? > > Well, I got permission from my sweetie to do the presentation on Feb > 14, so unless you've got a better idea, it's on. It's on Py3k. Don't > miss it. > > PS Valentine's day is an invention of the candy heart industry. The > true Valentine's day is whenever you want it to be. > > -- > --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From jim at well.com Thu Jan 24 20:37:50 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:37:50 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Valentines day baypiggies? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: now that we know guido's giving a talk on py3, maybe there's something to moving the date? myself i'm in sympathy with _NOT_ letting candy companies push me around (i.e. keep the date), but the politics of romance and family is strong stuff. opinions? (or is this just going to cause trouble by creating a fractious email thread?) On Jan 24, 2008, at 11:29 AM, Charles Merriam wrote: > I'll make it. From other's experiences on conflicting with V-day, I > would expect about a 15% turnout. > > Alternately, Feb 21.? > -- Charles > > > On Jan 24, 2008 10:07 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: >> >> On Jan 24, 2008 9:54 AM, Alec Flett wrote: >>> So I've been trying to get down to another baypiggies meeting, >>> decided >>> february would be my month.. until I realized that the 2nd thursday >>> of >>> February is... Valentines day.. >>> >>> I'm sure I'm the only one who can't spend the night of valentines >>> day out >>> with.. well, anyone other than my wife. >>> >>> Just curious if meetings are ever moved? >> >> Well, I got permission from my sweetie to do the presentation on Feb >> 14, so unless you've got a better idea, it's on. It's on Py3k. Don't >> miss it. >> >> PS Valentine's day is an invention of the candy heart industry. The >> true Valentine's day is whenever you want it to be. >> >> -- >> --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From amax at redsymbol.net Thu Jan 24 21:01:18 2008 From: amax at redsymbol.net (Aaron Maxwell) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 12:01:18 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Valentines day baypiggies? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200801241201.19113.amax@redsymbol.net> On Thursday 24 January 2008 11:37:50 jim stockford wrote: > now that we know guido's giving a talk on py3, > maybe there's something to moving the date? > myself i'm in sympathy with _NOT_ letting candy > companies push me around (i.e. keep the date), > but the politics of romance and family is strong > stuff. > opinions? I'll be there regardless. But it would allow life to be more peaceful if it's on some date other than the 14th. -- Aaron Maxwell http://redsymbol.net From guido at python.org Thu Jan 24 21:10:18 2008 From: guido at python.org (Guido van Rossum) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 12:10:18 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Valentines day baypiggies? In-Reply-To: <200801241201.19113.amax@redsymbol.net> References: <200801241201.19113.amax@redsymbol.net> Message-ID: I could do the 21st too. But someone else needs to decide and negotiate the room allocation with Leslie. On Jan 24, 2008 12:01 PM, Aaron Maxwell wrote: > On Thursday 24 January 2008 11:37:50 jim stockford wrote: > > now that we know guido's giving a talk on py3, > > maybe there's something to moving the date? > > myself i'm in sympathy with _NOT_ letting candy > > companies push me around (i.e. keep the date), > > but the politics of romance and family is strong > > stuff. > > opinions? > > I'll be there regardless. But it would allow life to be more peaceful if it's > on some date other than the 14th. > > -- > Aaron Maxwell > http://redsymbol.net > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From annaraven at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 21:51:33 2008 From: annaraven at gmail.com (Anna Ravenscroft) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 12:51:33 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Valentines day baypiggies? In-Reply-To: References: <200801241201.19113.amax@redsymbol.net> Message-ID: That would be awesome. Leslie? Could you please? On Jan 24, 2008 12:10 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > I could do the 21st too. But someone else needs to decide and > negotiate the room allocation with Leslie. > > > On Jan 24, 2008 12:01 PM, Aaron Maxwell wrote: > > On Thursday 24 January 2008 11:37:50 jim stockford wrote: > > > now that we know guido's giving a talk on py3, > > > maybe there's something to moving the date? > > > myself i'm in sympathy with _NOT_ letting candy > > > companies push me around (i.e. keep the date), > > > but the politics of romance and family is strong > > > stuff. > > > opinions? > > > > I'll be there regardless. But it would allow life to be more peaceful if it's > > on some date other than the 14th. > > > > -- > > Aaron Maxwell > > http://redsymbol.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > > > -- > --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- cordially, Anna -- Walking through the water. Trying to get across. Just like everybody else. From echerlin at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 22:02:42 2008 From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:02:42 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Valentines day baypiggies? In-Reply-To: References: <200801241201.19113.amax@redsymbol.net> Message-ID: Aw. I wanted to bring my wife. *<{%{]}}} Well, my son and I will be there regardless. On Jan 24, 2008 12:51 PM, Anna Ravenscroft wrote: > That would be awesome. Leslie? Could you please? > > > On Jan 24, 2008 12:10 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > I could do the 21st too. But someone else needs to decide and > > negotiate the room allocation with Leslie. > > > > > > On Jan 24, 2008 12:01 PM, Aaron Maxwell wrote: > > > On Thursday 24 January 2008 11:37:50 jim stockford wrote: > > > > now that we know guido's giving a talk on py3, > > > > maybe there's something to moving the date? > > > > myself i'm in sympathy with _NOT_ letting candy > > > > companies push me around (i.e. keep the date), > > > > but the politics of romance and family is strong > > > > stuff. > > > > opinions? > > > > > > I'll be there regardless. But it would allow life to be more peaceful if it's > > > on some date other than the 14th. > > > > > > -- > > > Aaron Maxwell > > > http://redsymbol.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Baypiggies mailing list > > > Baypiggies at python.org > > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > > > -- > cordially, > Anna > -- > Walking through the water. Trying to get across. > Just like everybody else. > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay From lhawthorn at google.com Thu Jan 24 23:43:26 2008 From: lhawthorn at google.com (Leslie Hawthorn) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:43:26 +1100 Subject: [Baypiggies] Valentines day baypiggies? In-Reply-To: References: <200801241201.19113.amax@redsymbol.net> Message-ID: <4869cee70801241443n56df2b3dl6e95da79134c3c58@mail.gmail.com> Looks like Cat Allman is on the case - thank you! On Jan 25, 2008 7:51 AM, Anna Ravenscroft wrote: > That would be awesome. Leslie? Could you please? > > On Jan 24, 2008 12:10 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > I could do the 21st too. But someone else needs to decide and > > negotiate the room allocation with Leslie. > > > > > > On Jan 24, 2008 12:01 PM, Aaron Maxwell wrote: > > > On Thursday 24 January 2008 11:37:50 jim stockford wrote: > > > > now that we know guido's giving a talk on py3, > > > > maybe there's something to moving the date? > > > > myself i'm in sympathy with _NOT_ letting candy > > > > companies push me around (i.e. keep the date), > > > > but the politics of romance and family is strong > > > > stuff. > > > > opinions? > > > > > > I'll be there regardless. But it would allow life to be more peaceful > if it's > > > on some date other than the 14th. > > > > > > -- > > > Aaron Maxwell > > > http://redsymbol.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Baypiggies mailing list > > > Baypiggies at python.org > > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/ > ) > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > > > -- > cordially, > Anna > -- > Walking through the water. Trying to get across. > Just like everybody else. > -- Leslie Hawthorn Program Manager - Open Source Google Inc. http://code.google.com/opensource/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20080125/d513477f/attachment-0001.htm From echerlin at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 02:13:35 2008 From: echerlin at gmail.com (Edward Cherlin) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:13:35 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pygame meetup in SF? In-Reply-To: References: <1201112673.24759.5.camel@sbrown-dev2> Message-ID: On Jan 23, 2008 1:43 PM, Charles Merriam wrote: > I'm interested in a PyGame or XO meet-up anywhere in the south bay > (RWC on down). If there is sufficient interest, both could be held on > different days with some benefit to sharing information. I would > suggest Neto Cafe, which is a few feet from the Casto Street, Mountain > View light-rail and CalTrains stations. > > Is anyone else interested in the South Bay? Yes, I and my son want to attend. > Charles > > > On Jan 23, 2008 10:24 AM, Shandy Brown wrote: > > A couple of us SFBay people were discussing a pygame-related meetup. Do > > any baypiggies have an interest in hacking on some pygame projects or on > > pygame itself? > > > > Pending a sufficient level of interest, perhaps we could meet next week > > in SF. Near BART is a must. A cafe with power and tables would be > > nice, any location suggestions? > > > > Shandy > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Edward Cherlin End Poverty at a Profit by teaching children business http://www.EarthTreasury.org/ "The best way to predict the future is to invent it."--Alan Kay From jjinux at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 04:05:13 2008 From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:05:13 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Valentines day baypiggies? In-Reply-To: <200801241201.19113.amax@redsymbol.net> References: <200801241201.19113.amax@redsymbol.net> Message-ID: On Jan 24, 2008 12:01 PM, Aaron Maxwell wrote: > On Thursday 24 January 2008 11:37:50 jim stockford wrote: > > now that we know guido's giving a talk on py3, > > maybe there's something to moving the date? > > myself i'm in sympathy with _NOT_ letting candy > > companies push me around (i.e. keep the date), > > but the politics of romance and family is strong > > stuff. > > opinions? > > I'll be there regardless. But it would allow life to be more peaceful if it's > on some date other than the 14th. My sentiments exactly. -jj -- I, for one, welcome our new Facebook overlords! http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ From jjinux at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 04:08:11 2008 From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:08:11 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Valentines day baypiggies? In-Reply-To: <4869cee70801241443n56df2b3dl6e95da79134c3c58@mail.gmail.com> References: <200801241201.19113.amax@redsymbol.net> <4869cee70801241443n56df2b3dl6e95da79134c3c58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Awesome. Jim, as official meeting announcer can you make sure to remind people not to come on the 14th, but instead to come on the 21st? Best Regards, -jj On Jan 24, 2008 2:43 PM, Leslie Hawthorn wrote: > Looks like Cat Allman is on the case - thank you! > > > > On Jan 25, 2008 7:51 AM, Anna Ravenscroft wrote: > > That would be awesome. Leslie? Could you please? > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 24, 2008 12:10 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > > I could do the 21st too. But someone else needs to decide and > > > negotiate the room allocation with Leslie. > > > > > > > > > On Jan 24, 2008 12:01 PM, Aaron Maxwell wrote: > > > > On Thursday 24 January 2008 11:37:50 jim stockford wrote: > > > > > now that we know guido's giving a talk on py3, > > > > > maybe there's something to moving the date? > > > > > myself i'm in sympathy with _NOT_ letting candy > > > > > companies push me around ( i.e. keep the date), > > > > > but the politics of romance and family is strong > > > > > stuff. > > > > > opinions? > > > > > > > > I'll be there regardless. But it would allow life to be more peaceful > if it's > > > > on some date other than the 14th. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Aaron Maxwell > > > > http://redsymbol.net > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Baypiggies mailing list > > > > Baypiggies at python.org > > > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/ ) > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Baypiggies mailing list > > > Baypiggies at python.org > > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > cordially, > > Anna > > -- > > Walking through the water. Trying to get across. > > Just like everybody else. > > > > > > -- > Leslie Hawthorn > Program Manager - Open Source > Google Inc. > > http://code.google.com/opensource/ > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- I, for one, welcome our new Facebook overlords! http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ From jim at well.com Fri Jan 25 04:25:18 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:25:18 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Valentines day baypiggies? In-Reply-To: References: <200801241201.19113.amax@redsymbol.net> <4869cee70801241443n56df2b3dl6e95da79134c3c58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <370eb6ac0c813d8e1a4c846877690d63@well.com> that cat allman is on the case doesn't seem quite clear that we've changed the date of the february meeting. how to confirm? On Jan 24, 2008, at 7:08 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > Awesome. > > Jim, as official meeting announcer can you make sure to remind people > not to come on the 14th, but instead to come on the 21st? > > Best Regards, > -jj > > On Jan 24, 2008 2:43 PM, Leslie Hawthorn wrote: >> Looks like Cat Allman is on the case - thank you! >> >> >> >> On Jan 25, 2008 7:51 AM, Anna Ravenscroft wrote: >>> That would be awesome. Leslie? Could you please? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 24, 2008 12:10 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: >>>> I could do the 21st too. But someone else needs to decide and >>>> negotiate the room allocation with Leslie. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 24, 2008 12:01 PM, Aaron Maxwell wrote: >>>>> On Thursday 24 January 2008 11:37:50 jim stockford wrote: >>>>>> now that we know guido's giving a talk on py3, >>>>>> maybe there's something to moving the date? >>>>>> myself i'm in sympathy with _NOT_ letting candy >>>>>> companies push me around ( i.e. keep the date), >>>>>> but the politics of romance and family is strong >>>>>> stuff. >>>>>> opinions? >>>>> >>>>> I'll be there regardless. But it would allow life to be more >>>>> peaceful >> if it's >>>>> on some date other than the 14th. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Aaron Maxwell >>>>> http://redsymbol.net >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Baypiggies mailing list >>>>> Baypiggies at python.org >>>>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/ ) >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Baypiggies mailing list >>>> Baypiggies at python.org >>>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> cordially, >>> Anna >>> -- >>> Walking through the water. Trying to get across. >>> Just like everybody else. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Leslie Hawthorn >> Program Manager - Open Source >> Google Inc. >> >> http://code.google.com/opensource/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > > > > -- > I, for one, welcome our new Facebook overlords! > http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From lhawthorn at google.com Fri Jan 25 04:28:13 2008 From: lhawthorn at google.com (Leslie Hawthorn) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:28:13 +1100 Subject: [Baypiggies] Valentines day baypiggies? In-Reply-To: <370eb6ac0c813d8e1a4c846877690d63@well.com> References: <200801241201.19113.amax@redsymbol.net> <4869cee70801241443n56df2b3dl6e95da79134c3c58@mail.gmail.com> <370eb6ac0c813d8e1a4c846877690d63@well.com> Message-ID: <4869cee70801241928r568682c7raa6af36568cb9eda@mail.gmail.com> Cat Allman is a member of my team and is taking care of this while I'm traveling. The meeting date change will be confirmed with the list once we see if it's feasible - patience, please. On Jan 25, 2008 2:25 PM, jim stockford wrote: > > that cat allman is on the case doesn't > seem quite clear that we've changed > the date of the february meeting. > how to confirm? > > On Jan 24, 2008, at 7:08 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > > > Awesome. > > > > Jim, as official meeting announcer can you make sure to remind people > > not to come on the 14th, but instead to come on the 21st? > > > > Best Regards, > > -jj > > > > On Jan 24, 2008 2:43 PM, Leslie Hawthorn wrote: > >> Looks like Cat Allman is on the case - thank you! > >> > >> > >> > >> On Jan 25, 2008 7:51 AM, Anna Ravenscroft wrote: > >>> That would be awesome. Leslie? Could you please? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Jan 24, 2008 12:10 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > >>>> I could do the 21st too. But someone else needs to decide and > >>>> negotiate the room allocation with Leslie. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Jan 24, 2008 12:01 PM, Aaron Maxwell wrote: > >>>>> On Thursday 24 January 2008 11:37:50 jim stockford wrote: > >>>>>> now that we know guido's giving a talk on py3, > >>>>>> maybe there's something to moving the date? > >>>>>> myself i'm in sympathy with _NOT_ letting candy > >>>>>> companies push me around ( i.e. keep the date), > >>>>>> but the politics of romance and family is strong > >>>>>> stuff. > >>>>>> opinions? > >>>>> > >>>>> I'll be there regardless. But it would allow life to be more > >>>>> peaceful > >> if it's > >>>>> on some date other than the 14th. > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Aaron Maxwell > >>>>> http://redsymbol.net > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Baypiggies mailing list > >>>>> Baypiggies at python.org > >>>>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > >>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> > >>>> Baypiggies mailing list > >>>> Baypiggies at python.org > >>>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> cordially, > >>> Anna > >>> -- > >>> Walking through the water. Trying to get across. > >>> Just like everybody else. > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Leslie Hawthorn > >> Program Manager - Open Source > >> Google Inc. > >> > >> http://code.google.com/opensource/ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Baypiggies mailing list > >> Baypiggies at python.org > >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > I, for one, welcome our new Facebook overlords! > > http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > -- Leslie Hawthorn Program Manager - Open Source Google Inc. http://code.google.com/opensource/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20080125/41f3464f/attachment.htm From jim at well.com Fri Jan 25 04:31:41 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:31:41 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Valentines day baypiggies? In-Reply-To: References: <200801241201.19113.amax@redsymbol.net> <4869cee70801241443n56df2b3dl6e95da79134c3c58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39b2897ea9fd547b2b7d5265ec009c09@well.com> jj, you did good, in my view. i'm not in charge, just the speaker-getter. as to my one vote, i'm having trouble with the tug-o-war between my conscience and my sympathies for romance and family peace. have we all agreed to change the date? as to my announcing, i announce to bayPIGgies as well as to what seem to me to be appropriate lugs and other interest group mailing lists. (if any of you have suggestions, please let me know: i email balug, conspire, penlug, sf-lug, and svlug.) when i've got confidence in the date, whatever it will be or is, i'll then announce, and this time with two weeks' notice to bayPIGgies. From aahz at pythoncraft.com Fri Jan 25 05:27:49 2008 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:27:49 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Valentines day baypiggies? In-Reply-To: <39b2897ea9fd547b2b7d5265ec009c09@well.com> References: <200801241201.19113.amax@redsymbol.net> <4869cee70801241443n56df2b3dl6e95da79134c3c58@mail.gmail.com> <39b2897ea9fd547b2b7d5265ec009c09@well.com> Message-ID: <20080125042749.GA2915@panix.com> On Thu, Jan 24, 2008, jim stockford wrote: > > as to my announcing, i announce to bayPIGgies as well as to what > seem to me to be appropriate lugs and other interest group mailing > lists. (if any of you have suggestions, please let me know: i email > balug, conspire, penlug, sf-lug, and svlug.) You should include python-announce at python.org -- but make sure to send that as separate e-mail. -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection." --Butler Lampson From spmcinerney at hotmail.com Fri Jan 25 05:57:34 2008 From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen McInerney) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:57:34 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Valentines day baypiggies? In-Reply-To: <39b2897ea9fd547b2b7d5265ec009c09@well.com> References: <200801241201.19113.amax@redsymbol.net> <4869cee70801241443n56df2b3dl6e95da79134c3c58@mail.gmail.com> <39b2897ea9fd547b2b7d5265ec009c09@well.com> Message-ID: > From: jim at well.com> have we all agreed to change the date? If Guido is agreeable to either Feb 14/21, you might put it to a vote; either would be fine by me. If Guido prefers Feb 14, that is the date then. > as to my announcing, i announce to bayPIGgies> as well as to what seem to me to be appropriate> lugs and other interest group mailing lists. (if any> of you have suggestions, please let me know: i> email balug, conspire, penlug, sf-lug, and svlug.) Maybe BASS (Beer and Scripting SIG) http://cfcl.com/rdm/bass/ but not sure how large that is. Regards, Stephen _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20080124/450486e8/attachment.htm From guido at python.org Fri Jan 25 06:08:46 2008 From: guido at python.org (Guido van Rossum) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:08:46 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Valentines day baypiggies? In-Reply-To: References: <200801241201.19113.amax@redsymbol.net> <4869cee70801241443n56df2b3dl6e95da79134c3c58@mail.gmail.com> <39b2897ea9fd547b2b7d5265ec009c09@well.com> Message-ID: I'm equally okay with either date, but would like to hear a decision soon. And no, I'm not going to decide for you. My job is to show up and to entertain you. Your job is to tell me when. --Guido On Jan 24, 2008 8:57 PM, Stephen McInerney wrote: > > > > From: jim at well.com > > > have we all agreed to change the date? > > If Guido is agreeable to either Feb 14/21, you might put it to a vote; > either would be fine by me. > If Guido prefers Feb 14, that is the date then. > > > > as to my announcing, i announce to bayPIGgies > > as well as to what seem to me to be appropriate > > lugs and other interest group mailing lists. (if any > > of you have suggestions, please let me know: i > > email balug, conspire, penlug, sf-lug, and svlug.) > > Maybe BASS (Beer and Scripting SIG) http://cfcl.com/rdm/bass/ > but not sure how large that is. > > Regards, > Stephen > > ________________________________ > Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! Learn more. > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From kenobi at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 09:08:04 2008 From: kenobi at gmail.com (Rick Kwan) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:08:04 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pygame meetup in SF? In-Reply-To: References: <1201112673.24759.5.camel@sbrown-dev2> Message-ID: +1 Mountain View --Rick Kwan On Jan 23, 2008 1:43 PM, Charles Merriam wrote: > I'm interested in a PyGame or XO meet-up anywhere in the south bay > (RWC on down). If there is sufficient interest, both could be held on > different days with some benefit to sharing information. I would > suggest Neto Cafe, which is a few feet from the Casto Street, Mountain > View light-rail and CalTrains stations. > > Is anyone else interested in the South Bay? > > Charles > > > On Jan 23, 2008 10:24 AM, Shandy Brown wrote: > > A couple of us SFBay people were discussing a pygame-related meetup. Do > > any baypiggies have an interest in hacking on some pygame projects or on > > pygame itself? > > > > Pending a sufficient level of interest, perhaps we could meet next week > > in SF. Near BART is a must. A cafe with power and tables would be > > nice, any location suggestions? > > > > Shandy > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From spmcinerney at hotmail.com Fri Jan 25 09:45:01 2008 From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen McInerney) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:45:01 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Valentines day baypiggies? In-Reply-To: References: <200801241201.19113.amax@redsymbol.net> <4869cee70801241443n56df2b3dl6e95da79134c3c58@mail.gmail.com> <39b2897ea9fd547b2b7d5265ec009c09@well.com> Message-ID: Seems like the consensus was Feb 21 for maximal audience, but we just have to wait now on Cat / Leslie to confirm the room booking is available. - Stephen > Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:08:46 -0800> From: guido at python.org> To: spmcinerney at hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Valentines day baypiggies?> CC: jim at well.com; jjinux at gmail.com; baypiggies at python.org> > I'm equally okay with either date, but would like to hear a decision> soon. And no, I'm not going to decide for you. My job is to show up> and to entertain you. Your job is to tell me when.> > --Guido> > On Jan 24, 2008 8:57 PM, Stephen McInerney wrote:> >> >> > > From: jim at well.com> >> > > have we all agreed to change the date?> >> > If Guido is agreeable to either Feb 14/21, you might put it to a vote;> > either would be fine by me.> > If Guido prefers Feb 14, that is the date then.> >> >> > > as to my announcing, i announce to bayPIGgies> > > as well as to what seem to me to be appropriate> > > lugs and other interest group mailing lists. (if any> > > of you have suggestions, please let me know: i> > > email balug, conspire, penlug, sf-lug, and svlug.)> >> > Maybe BASS (Beer and Scripting SIG) http://cfcl.com/rdm/bass/> > but not sure how large that is.> >> > Regards,> > Stephen> >> > ________________________________> > Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! 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URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20080125/43424ce2/attachment.htm From jim at well.com Fri Jan 25 19:08:28 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:08:28 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] please vote for february meeting date Message-ID: <3f5100c7efabcc5a308110cb925e662e@well.com> for our february meeting, guido van rossum will preview his keynote about python 3000 at pycon, in which he discusses what python 3000 means for your code, what tools will be available to help you in the transition, and how to be prepared for the next millennium. our meeting is currently scheduled for february 14, which is valentine's day. there are claims that attendance will be low and that some of you will be doing other things that evening. there is the possibility that we can arrange to have the meeting on february 21, the following thursday, instead. guido is willing and able to speak on either date. google may be able to provide facilities. please vote on which date you want the bayPIGgies meeting: +1 means you want a change to february 21 -1 means you do not want a change, you want the currently scheduled date of february 14 From joshua.gallagher at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 19:07:48 2008 From: joshua.gallagher at gmail.com (Joshua Gallagher) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:07:48 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] please vote for february meeting date In-Reply-To: <3f5100c7efabcc5a308110cb925e662e@well.com> References: <3f5100c7efabcc5a308110cb925e662e@well.com> Message-ID: <9bb4e5be0801251007p7f0fe544ncbef70b87c775558@mail.gmail.com> +1: February 21 On Jan 25, 2008 10:08 AM, jim stockford wrote: > > for our february meeting, guido van rossum will > preview his keynote about python 3000 at pycon, > in which he discusses what python 3000 means > for your code, what tools will be available to help > you in the transition, and how to be prepared for > the next millennium. > > our meeting is currently scheduled for february > 14, which is valentine's day. there are claims that > attendance will be low and that some of you will > be doing other things that evening. > > there is the possibility that we can arrange to have > the meeting on february 21, the following thursday, > instead. guido is willing and able to speak on > either date. google may be able to provide facilities. > > please vote on which date you want the bayPIGgies > meeting: > +1 means you want a change to february 21 > -1 means you do not want a change, you want the > currently scheduled date of february 14 > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From cappy2112 at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 19:10:04 2008 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:10:04 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] please vote for february meeting date In-Reply-To: <3f5100c7efabcc5a308110cb925e662e@well.com> References: <3f5100c7efabcc5a308110cb925e662e@well.com> Message-ID: <8249c4ac0801251010g3a12c11u9eede648b763f6fb@mail.gmail.com> +1 february 21 From annaraven at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 19:14:57 2008 From: annaraven at gmail.com (Anna Ravenscroft) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:14:57 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] please vote for february meeting date In-Reply-To: <3f5100c7efabcc5a308110cb925e662e@well.com> References: <3f5100c7efabcc5a308110cb925e662e@well.com> Message-ID: On Jan 25, 2008 10:08 AM, jim stockford wrote: > > for our february meeting, guido van rossum will > preview his keynote about python 3000 at pycon, > in which he discusses what python 3000 means > for your code, what tools will be available to help > you in the transition, and how to be prepared for > the next millennium. > > our meeting is currently scheduled for february > 14, which is valentine's day. there are claims that > attendance will be low and that some of you will > be doing other things that evening. > > there is the possibility that we can arrange to have > the meeting on february 21, the following thursday, > instead. guido is willing and able to speak on > either date. google may be able to provide facilities. > > please vote on which date you want the bayPIGgies > meeting: > +1 means you want a change to february 21 > -1 means you do not want a change, you want the > currently scheduled date of february 14 +1 change to feb 21 -- cordially, Anna -- Walking through the water. Trying to get across. Just like everybody else. From annaraven at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 19:34:23 2008 From: annaraven at gmail.com (anna) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:34:23 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pygame meetup in SF? In-Reply-To: References: <1201112673.24759.5.camel@sbrown-dev2> Message-ID: +1 Mountain View On Jan 25, 2008, at 12:08 AM, Rick Kwan wrote: > +1 Mountain View > > --Rick Kwan From charles.merriam at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 19:43:32 2008 From: charles.merriam at gmail.com (Charles Merriam) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:43:32 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] please vote for february meeting date In-Reply-To: References: <3f5100c7efabcc5a308110cb925e662e@well.com> Message-ID: +1 From jeff at drinktomi.com Fri Jan 25 19:43:57 2008 From: jeff at drinktomi.com (Jeff Younker) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:43:57 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] please vote for february meeting date In-Reply-To: References: <3f5100c7efabcc5a308110cb925e662e@well.com> Message-ID: +1 feburary 21 - Jeff Younker - jeff at drinktomi.com - From amax at redsymbol.net Fri Jan 25 19:50:42 2008 From: amax at redsymbol.net (Aaron Maxwell) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:50:42 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] please vote for february meeting date In-Reply-To: <3f5100c7efabcc5a308110cb925e662e@well.com> References: <3f5100c7efabcc5a308110cb925e662e@well.com> Message-ID: <200801251050.42692.amax@redsymbol.net> +1 On Friday 25 January 2008 10:08:28 jim stockford wrote: > for our february meeting, guido van rossum will > preview his keynote about python 3000 at pycon, > in which he discusses what python 3000 means > for your code, what tools will be available to help > you in the transition, and how to be prepared for > the next millennium. > > our meeting is currently scheduled for february > 14, which is valentine's day. there are claims that > attendance will be low and that some of you will > be doing other things that evening. > > there is the possibility that we can arrange to have > the meeting on february 21, the following thursday, > instead. guido is willing and able to speak on > either date. google may be able to provide facilities. > > please vote on which date you want the bayPIGgies > meeting: > +1 means you want a change to february 21 > -1 means you do not want a change, you want the > currently scheduled date of february 14 > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -- Aaron Maxwell http://redsymbol.net From max at theslimmers.net Fri Jan 25 19:35:50 2008 From: max at theslimmers.net (Max Slimmer) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:35:50 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] please vote for february meeting date In-Reply-To: <3f5100c7efabcc5a308110cb925e662e@well.com> Message-ID: <200801251835.m0PIZq6w029294@b.mail.sonic.net> +1 > -----Original Message----- > From: baypiggies-bounces at python.org > [mailto:baypiggies-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of jim stockford > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 10:08 AM > To: Baypiggies > Cc: Python On the Peninsula (SF Bay Peninsula) > Subject: [Baypiggies] please vote for february meeting date > > > for our february meeting, guido van rossum will preview > his keynote about python 3000 at pycon, in which he discusses > what python 3000 means for your code, what tools will be > available to help you in the transition, and how to be > prepared for the next millennium. > > our meeting is currently scheduled for february 14, which > is valentine's day. there are claims that attendance will be > low and that some of you will be doing other things that evening. > > there is the possibility that we can arrange to have the > meeting on february 21, the following thursday, instead. > guido is willing and able to speak on either date. google may > be able to provide facilities. > > please vote on which date you want the bayPIGgies > meeting: > +1 means you want a change to february 21 > -1 means you do not want a change, you want the currently > scheduled date of february 14 > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From kenobi at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 21:14:05 2008 From: kenobi at gmail.com (Rick Kwan) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:14:05 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] please vote for february meeting date In-Reply-To: <3f5100c7efabcc5a308110cb925e662e@well.com> References: <3f5100c7efabcc5a308110cb925e662e@well.com> Message-ID: +1: feb 21 On Jan 25, 2008 10:08 AM, jim stockford wrote: > > for our february meeting, guido van rossum will > preview his keynote about python 3000 at pycon, > in which he discusses what python 3000 means > for your code, what tools will be available to help > you in the transition, and how to be prepared for > the next millennium. > > our meeting is currently scheduled for february > 14, which is valentine's day. there are claims that > attendance will be low and that some of you will > be doing other things that evening. > > there is the possibility that we can arrange to have > the meeting on february 21, the following thursday, > instead. guido is willing and able to speak on > either date. google may be able to provide facilities. > > please vote on which date you want the bayPIGgies > meeting: > +1 means you want a change to february 21 > -1 means you do not want a change, you want the > currently scheduled date of february 14 > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From aldenm at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 21:24:40 2008 From: aldenm at gmail.com (Alden Meneses) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:24:40 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pygame meetup in SF? 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Just call it if we can get a room. --Charles From jsnitow at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 22:05:34 2008 From: jsnitow at gmail.com (Julian Snitow) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:05:34 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pygame meetup in SF? In-Reply-To: <221610dc0801251224o6ab6fb95hac72b72cf2b078a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <1201112673.24759.5.camel@sbrown-dev2> <221610dc0801251224o6ab6fb95hac72b72cf2b078a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <54075e090801251305i10b43e9ap72545c5bbd9347ee@mail.gmail.com> +1 Mountain View On Jan 25, 2008 12:24 PM, Alden Meneses wrote: > +1 San Francisco > > > > > On 1/25/08, anna wrote: > > +1 Mountain View > > On Jan 25, 2008, at 12:08 AM, Rick Kwan wrote: > > > > > +1 Mountain View > > > > > > --Rick Kwan > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From aldenm at gmail.com Fri Jan 25 22:16:26 2008 From: aldenm at gmail.com (Alden Meneses) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:16:26 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] please vote for february meeting date In-Reply-To: References: <3f5100c7efabcc5a308110cb925e662e@well.com> Message-ID: <221610dc0801251316k78e55650uba0c79e1853400ea@mail.gmail.com> -1 On 1/25/08, Charles Merriam wrote: > > Exit polls are leaning heavily towards the 21. Just call it if we can > get a room. --Charles > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20080125/2ea407be/attachment.htm From niallo at unworkable.org Fri Jan 25 22:16:33 2008 From: niallo at unworkable.org (Niall O'Higgins) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:16:33 +0000 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pygame meetup in SF? In-Reply-To: References: <1201112673.24759.5.camel@sbrown-dev2> Message-ID: <20080125211633.GH28939@unworkable.org> I have started a list for SF Pygame event co-ordination and planning. We can work out the details of the first meet there. Send email to pygame-sf+subscribe at unworkable.org to join. On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 02:46:31PM -0800, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > On Jan 23, 2008 10:24 AM, Shandy Brown wrote: > > A couple of us SFBay people were discussing a pygame-related meetup. Do > > any baypiggies have an interest in hacking on some pygame projects or on > > pygame itself? > > > > Pending a sufficient level of interest, perhaps we could meet next week > > in SF. Near BART is a must. A cafe with power and tables would be > > nice, any location suggestions? > > I'd probably attend. > > -jj > > -- > I, for one, welcome our new Facebook overlords! > http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From slander at unworkable.org Fri Jan 25 23:11:17 2008 From: slander at unworkable.org (Harry Tormey) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 22:11:17 +0000 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pygame meetup in SF? In-Reply-To: <1201112673.24759.5.camel@sbrown-dev2> References: <1201112673.24759.5.camel@sbrown-dev2> Message-ID: <20080125221117.GA26005@unworkable.org> +1 San Francisco. On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 10:24:33AM -0800, Shandy Brown wrote: > A couple of us SFBay people were discussing a pygame-related meetup. Do > any baypiggies have an interest in hacking on some pygame projects or on > pygame itself? > > Pending a sufficient level of interest, perhaps we could meet next week > in SF. Near BART is a must. A cafe with power and tables would be > nice, any location suggestions? > > Shandy > From mauricegray185 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 26 00:27:47 2008 From: mauricegray185 at hotmail.com (Maurice Gray) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:27:47 +0000 Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies Digest, Vol 27, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +1 > From: baypiggies-request at python.org > Subject: Baypiggies Digest, Vol 27, Issue 29 > To: baypiggies at python.org > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:24:48 +0100 > > Send Baypiggies mailing list submissions to > baypiggies at python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > baypiggies-request at python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > baypiggies-owner at python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Baypiggies digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. please vote for february meeting date (jim stockford) > 2. Re: please vote for february meeting date (Joshua Gallagher) > 3. Re: please vote for february meeting date (Tony Cappellini) > 4. Re: please vote for february meeting date (Anna Ravenscroft) > 5. Re: Pygame meetup in SF? (anna) > 6. Re: please vote for february meeting date (Charles Merriam) > 7. Re: please vote for february meeting date (Jeff Younker) > 8. Re: please vote for february meeting date (Aaron Maxwell) > 9. Re: please vote for february meeting date (Max Slimmer) > 10. Re: please vote for february meeting date (Rick Kwan) > 11. Re: Pygame meetup in SF? (Alden Meneses) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:08:28 -0800 > From: jim stockford > Subject: [Baypiggies] please vote for february meeting date > To: Baypiggies > Cc: "Python On the Peninsula \(SF Bay Peninsula\)" > Message-ID: <3f5100c7efabcc5a308110cb925e662e at well.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > > for our february meeting, guido van rossum will > preview his keynote about python 3000 at pycon, > in which he discusses what python 3000 means > for your code, what tools will be available to help > you in the transition, and how to be prepared for > the next millennium. > > our meeting is currently scheduled for february > 14, which is valentine's day. there are claims that > attendance will be low and that some of you will > be doing other things that evening. > > there is the possibility that we can arrange to have > the meeting on february 21, the following thursday, > instead. guido is willing and able to speak on > either date. google may be able to provide facilities. > > please vote on which date you want the bayPIGgies > meeting: > +1 means you want a change to february 21 > -1 means you do not want a change, you want the > currently scheduled date of february 14 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:07:48 -0800 > From: "Joshua Gallagher" > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] please vote for february meeting date > To: "jim stockford" > Cc: Baypiggies , "Python On the Peninsula \(SF > Bay Peninsula\)" > Message-ID: > <9bb4e5be0801251007p7f0fe544ncbef70b87c775558 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > +1: February 21 > > On Jan 25, 2008 10:08 AM, jim stockford wrote: > > > > for our february meeting, guido van rossum will > > preview his keynote about python 3000 at pycon, > > in which he discusses what python 3000 means > > for your code, what tools will be available to help > > you in the transition, and how to be prepared for > > the next millennium. > > > > our meeting is currently scheduled for february > > 14, which is valentine's day. there are claims that > > attendance will be low and that some of you will > > be doing other things that evening. > > > > there is the possibility that we can arrange to have > > the meeting on february 21, the following thursday, > > instead. guido is willing and able to speak on > > either date. google may be able to provide facilities. > > > > please vote on which date you want the bayPIGgies > > meeting: > > +1 means you want a change to february 21 > > -1 means you do not want a change, you want the > > currently scheduled date of february 14 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:10:04 -0800 > From: "Tony Cappellini" > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] please vote for february meeting date > To: "jim stockford" > Cc: Baypiggies , "Python On the Peninsula \(SF > Bay Peninsula\)" > Message-ID: > <8249c4ac0801251010g3a12c11u9eede648b763f6fb at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > +1 february 21 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:14:57 -0800 > From: "Anna Ravenscroft" > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] please vote for february meeting date > To: "jim stockford" > Cc: Baypiggies , "Python On the Peninsula \(SF > Bay Peninsula\)" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Jan 25, 2008 10:08 AM, jim stockford wrote: > > > > for our february meeting, guido van rossum will > > preview his keynote about python 3000 at pycon, > > in which he discusses what python 3000 means > > for your code, what tools will be available to help > > you in the transition, and how to be prepared for > > the next millennium. > > > > our meeting is currently scheduled for february > > 14, which is valentine's day. there are claims that > > attendance will be low and that some of you will > > be doing other things that evening. > > > > there is the possibility that we can arrange to have > > the meeting on february 21, the following thursday, > > instead. guido is willing and able to speak on > > either date. google may be able to provide facilities. > > > > please vote on which date you want the bayPIGgies > > meeting: > > +1 means you want a change to february 21 > > -1 means you do not want a change, you want the > > currently scheduled date of february 14 > > +1 change to feb 21 > > > -- > cordially, > Anna > -- > Walking through the water. Trying to get across. > Just like everybody else. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:34:23 -0800 > From: anna > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Pygame meetup in SF? > To: Rick Kwan > Cc: baypiggies at python.org, Shandy Brown > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > +1 Mountain View > On Jan 25, 2008, at 12:08 AM, Rick Kwan wrote: > > > +1 Mountain View > > > > --Rick Kwan > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:43:32 -0800 > From: "Charles Merriam" > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] please vote for february meeting date > To: "Anna Ravenscroft" > Cc: Baypiggies , "Python On the Peninsula \(SF > Bay Peninsula\)" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > +1 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:43:57 -0800 > From: Jeff Younker > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] please vote for february meeting date > To: BayPiggies > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > +1 feburary 21 > > - Jeff Younker - jeff at drinktomi.com - > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:50:42 -0800 > From: Aaron Maxwell > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] please vote for february meeting date > To: baypiggies at python.org > Message-ID: <200801251050.42692.amax at redsymbol.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > +1 > > On Friday 25 January 2008 10:08:28 jim stockford wrote: > > for our february meeting, guido van rossum will > > preview his keynote about python 3000 at pycon, > > in which he discusses what python 3000 means > > for your code, what tools will be available to help > > you in the transition, and how to be prepared for > > the next millennium. > > > > our meeting is currently scheduled for february > > 14, which is valentine's day. there are claims that > > attendance will be low and that some of you will > > be doing other things that evening. > > > > there is the possibility that we can arrange to have > > the meeting on february 21, the following thursday, > > instead. guido is willing and able to speak on > > either date. google may be able to provide facilities. > > > > please vote on which date you want the bayPIGgies > > meeting: > > +1 means you want a change to february 21 > > -1 means you do not want a change, you want the > > currently scheduled date of february 14 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > -- > Aaron Maxwell > http://redsymbol.net > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:35:50 -0800 > From: "Max Slimmer" > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] please vote for february meeting date > To: "'jim stockford'" , "'Baypiggies'" > > Cc: "'Python On the Peninsula \(SF Bay Peninsula\)'" > Message-ID: <200801251835.m0PIZq6w029294 at b.mail.sonic.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > +1 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: baypiggies-bounces at python.org > > [mailto:baypiggies-bounces at python.org] On Behalf Of jim stockford > > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 10:08 AM > > To: Baypiggies > > Cc: Python On the Peninsula (SF Bay Peninsula) > > Subject: [Baypiggies] please vote for february meeting date > > > > > > for our february meeting, guido van rossum will preview > > his keynote about python 3000 at pycon, in which he discusses > > what python 3000 means for your code, what tools will be > > available to help you in the transition, and how to be > > prepared for the next millennium. > > > > our meeting is currently scheduled for february 14, which > > is valentine's day. there are claims that attendance will be > > low and that some of you will be doing other things that evening. > > > > there is the possibility that we can arrange to have the > > meeting on february 21, the following thursday, instead. > > guido is willing and able to speak on either date. google may > > be able to provide facilities. > > > > please vote on which date you want the bayPIGgies > > meeting: > > +1 means you want a change to february 21 > > -1 means you do not want a change, you want the currently > > scheduled date of february 14 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:14:05 -0800 > From: "Rick Kwan" > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] please vote for february meeting date > To: "jim stockford" > Cc: Baypiggies , "Python On the Peninsula \(SF > Bay Peninsula\)" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > +1: feb 21 > > On Jan 25, 2008 10:08 AM, jim stockford wrote: > > > > for our february meeting, guido van rossum will > > preview his keynote about python 3000 at pycon, > > in which he discusses what python 3000 means > > for your code, what tools will be available to help > > you in the transition, and how to be prepared for > > the next millennium. > > > > our meeting is currently scheduled for february > > 14, which is valentine's day. there are claims that > > attendance will be low and that some of you will > > be doing other things that evening. > > > > there is the possibility that we can arrange to have > > the meeting on february 21, the following thursday, > > instead. guido is willing and able to speak on > > either date. google may be able to provide facilities. > > > > please vote on which date you want the bayPIGgies > > meeting: > > +1 means you want a change to february 21 > > -1 means you do not want a change, you want the > > currently scheduled date of february 14 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:24:40 -0800 > From: "Alden Meneses" > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Pygame meetup in SF? > To: baypiggies at python.org > Message-ID: > <221610dc0801251224o6ab6fb95hac72b72cf2b078a1 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > +1 San Francisco > > On 1/25/08, anna wrote: > > > > +1 Mountain View > > On Jan 25, 2008, at 12:08 AM, Rick Kwan wrote: > > > > > +1 Mountain View > > > > > > --Rick Kwan > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20080125/36f9c7fd/attachment.htm > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > End of Baypiggies Digest, Vol 27, Issue 29 > ****************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!?Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20080125/0d161cd4/attachment-0001.htm From jjinux at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 18:37:58 2008 From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 09:37:58 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] link farm spam on Plone site Message-ID: Hey guys, Did we ever clean out the link farm spam on the Plone site? I finally started looking at doing it for my own Plone site. Here are the instructions: http://plone.org/documentation/how-to/clean-up-link-spam-on-your-site Best Regards, -jj -- I, for one, welcome our new Facebook overlords! http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ From slander at unworkable.org Thu Jan 24 22:02:05 2008 From: slander at unworkable.org (Harry Tormey) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:02:05 +0000 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pygame meetup in SF? In-Reply-To: References: <1201112673.24759.5.camel@sbrown-dev2> Message-ID: <20080124210205.GC26793@unworkable.org> I will also attend. I have setup a mailing list to help coordinate the event and for people interested in pygame development in the bay area. subscribe by mailing pygame-sf+subscribe at unworkable.org On Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 02:46:31PM -0800, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > On Jan 23, 2008 10:24 AM, Shandy Brown wrote: > > A couple of us SFBay people were discussing a pygame-related meetup. Do > > any baypiggies have an interest in hacking on some pygame projects or on > > pygame itself? > > > > Pending a sufficient level of interest, perhaps we could meet next week > > in SF. Near BART is a must. A cafe with power and tables would be > > nice, any location suggestions? > > I'd probably attend. > > -jj > > -- > I, for one, welcome our new Facebook overlords! > http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ From jjinux at gmail.com Sat Jan 26 19:35:20 2008 From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 10:35:20 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Valentines day baypiggies? In-Reply-To: References: <4869cee70801241443n56df2b3dl6e95da79134c3c58@mail.gmail.com> <39b2897ea9fd547b2b7d5265ec009c09@well.com> Message-ID: On Jan 25, 2008 12:45 AM, Stephen McInerney wrote: > Seems like the consensus was Feb 21 for maximal audience, > but we just have to wait now on Cat / Leslie to confirm the room booking is > available. Yep. -jj -- I, for one, welcome our new Facebook overlords! http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ From vtuite at yahoo.com Sat Jan 26 21:00:38 2008 From: vtuite at yahoo.com (Vicky Tuite) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:00:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baypiggies] please vote for february meeting date Message-ID: <135346.8947.qm@web39705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> -1: Feb 14 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From john at cellspinsoft.com Sun Jan 27 00:44:36 2008 From: john at cellspinsoft.com (John Menerick) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 15:44:36 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] please vote for february meeting date In-Reply-To: <3f5100c7efabcc5a308110cb925e662e@well.com> References: <3f5100c7efabcc5a308110cb925e662e@well.com> Message-ID: <3b9650f60801261544w66074905tb27b909bfc5b6900@mail.gmail.com> +1 Feb. 21st. John Menerick On 1/25/08, jim stockford wrote: > > > for our february meeting, guido van rossum will > preview his keynote about python 3000 at pycon, > in which he discusses what python 3000 means > for your code, what tools will be available to help > you in the transition, and how to be prepared for > the next millennium. > > our meeting is currently scheduled for february > 14, which is valentine's day. there are claims that > attendance will be low and that some of you will > be doing other things that evening. > > there is the possibility that we can arrange to have > the meeting on february 21, the following thursday, > instead. guido is willing and able to speak on > either date. google may be able to provide facilities. > > please vote on which date you want the bayPIGgies > meeting: > +1 means you want a change to february 21 > -1 means you do not want a change, you want the > currently scheduled date of february 14 > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20080126/eb98a617/attachment.htm From donnamsnow at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 05:33:35 2008 From: donnamsnow at gmail.com (Donna Snow) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:33:35 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] link farm spam on Plone site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I just doublechecked on this..(I remember doing this a few months ago).. I followed the instructions again and it says "No bad members found" so I'm assuming we are good. We are on 2.5.1 right now..might be a good idea to upgrade to 2.5.4.. Donna On Jan 26, 2008 9:37 AM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > Hey guys, > > Did we ever clean out the link farm spam on the Plone site? I finally > started looking at doing it for my own Plone site. Here are the > instructions: > > http://plone.org/documentation/how-to/clean-up-link-spam-on-your-site > > Best Regards, > -jj > > -- > I, for one, welcome our new Facebook overlords! > http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From bgutierrez at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 18:20:53 2008 From: bgutierrez at gmail.com (Ben Gutierrez) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 09:20:53 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] please vote for february meeting date In-Reply-To: <3f5100c7efabcc5a308110cb925e662e@well.com> References: <3f5100c7efabcc5a308110cb925e662e@well.com> Message-ID: <49f20c660801270920l1d1493a1pcc38d9619587479c@mail.gmail.com> +1 On Jan 25, 2008 10:08 AM, jim stockford wrote: > > for our february meeting, guido van rossum will > preview his keynote about python 3000 at pycon, > in which he discusses what python 3000 means > for your code, what tools will be available to help > you in the transition, and how to be prepared for > the next millennium. > > our meeting is currently scheduled for february > 14, which is valentine's day. there are claims that > attendance will be low and that some of you will > be doing other things that evening. > > there is the possibility that we can arrange to have > the meeting on february 21, the following thursday, > instead. guido is willing and able to speak on > either date. google may be able to provide facilities. > > please vote on which date you want the bayPIGgies > meeting: > +1 means you want a change to february 21 > -1 means you do not want a change, you want the > currently scheduled date of february 14 > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From lhawthorn at google.com Mon Jan 28 01:17:10 2008 From: lhawthorn at google.com (Leslie Hawthorn) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:17:10 +1100 Subject: [Baypiggies] please vote for february meeting date In-Reply-To: <49f20c660801270920l1d1493a1pcc38d9619587479c@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f5100c7efabcc5a308110cb925e662e@well.com> <49f20c660801270920l1d1493a1pcc38d9619587479c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4869cee70801271617g679c3404me4a2fe5521ac72ba@mail.gmail.com> Folks, we're still working on finding a room space for you on the 21st, so please be aware that we may not be able to find space. We're certainly going to try our best to do so, though, and we'll let the list know if we are able to secure an alternate room. Thanks, LH On Jan 28, 2008 4:20 AM, Ben Gutierrez wrote: > +1 > > > On Jan 25, 2008 10:08 AM, jim stockford wrote: > > > > for our february meeting, guido van rossum will > > preview his keynote about python 3000 at pycon, > > in which he discusses what python 3000 means > > for your code, what tools will be available to help > > you in the transition, and how to be prepared for > > the next millennium. > > > > our meeting is currently scheduled for february > > 14, which is valentine's day. there are claims that > > attendance will be low and that some of you will > > be doing other things that evening. > > > > there is the possibility that we can arrange to have > > the meeting on february 21, the following thursday, > > instead. guido is willing and able to speak on > > either date. google may be able to provide facilities. > > > > please vote on which date you want the bayPIGgies > > meeting: > > +1 means you want a change to february 21 > > -1 means you do not want a change, you want the > > currently scheduled date of february 14 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Leslie Hawthorn Program Manager - Open Source Google Inc. http://code.google.com/opensource/ From jim at well.com Mon Jan 28 01:44:37 2008 From: jim at well.com (jim stockford) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:44:37 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] please vote for february meeting date In-Reply-To: <4869cee70801271617g679c3404me4a2fe5521ac72ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <3f5100c7efabcc5a308110cb925e662e@well.com> <49f20c660801270920l1d1493a1pcc38d9619587479c@mail.gmail.com> <4869cee70801271617g679c3404me4a2fe5521ac72ba@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <498e62efeb77077e165a4a527452c349@well.com> thank you lots. On Jan 27, 2008, at 4:17 PM, Leslie Hawthorn wrote: > Folks, we're still working on finding a room space for you on the > 21st, so please be aware that we may not be able to find space. We're > certainly going to try our best to do so, though, and we'll let the > list know if we are able to secure an alternate room. > > Thanks, > LH > > On Jan 28, 2008 4:20 AM, Ben Gutierrez wrote: >> +1 >> >> >> On Jan 25, 2008 10:08 AM, jim stockford wrote: >>> >>> for our february meeting, guido van rossum will >>> preview his keynote about python 3000 at pycon, >>> in which he discusses what python 3000 means >>> for your code, what tools will be available to help >>> you in the transition, and how to be prepared for >>> the next millennium. >>> >>> our meeting is currently scheduled for february >>> 14, which is valentine's day. there are claims that >>> attendance will be low and that some of you will >>> be doing other things that evening. >>> >>> there is the possibility that we can arrange to have >>> the meeting on february 21, the following thursday, >>> instead. guido is willing and able to speak on >>> either date. google may be able to provide facilities. >>> >>> please vote on which date you want the bayPIGgies >>> meeting: >>> +1 means you want a change to february 21 >>> -1 means you do not want a change, you want the >>> currently scheduled date of february 14 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Baypiggies mailing list >>> Baypiggies at python.org >>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > > > > -- > Leslie Hawthorn > Program Manager - Open Source > Google Inc. > > http://code.google.com/opensource/ > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > From Tim.Norman at dreamworks.com Wed Jan 30 20:19:38 2008 From: Tim.Norman at dreamworks.com (Norman, Tim) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:19:38 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] PDI/Dreamworks Is Looking for Pipeline Engineers Message-ID: <57E24B0263A3594EB66EEABC419CA407152FA4C3FB@EXCLUSGLD1.win.dreamworks.com> Production or Pipeline (Python) Engineer -MAYA or Houdini The Production Engineering group designs, implements, and maintains software that "glues" together the software and data used in the creation of animated feature films. Production engineers understand the entire computer animation process and use that knowledge to develop the DreamWorks global animation pipeline. We are seeking a highly motivated person with experience in both software development and in computer animation production. As a production engineer, you will: * Maintain the existing software systems used in the production of our films * Enhance, modify, and redesign the systems to accommodate the ever-changing requirements of production * Interact with animators and technical directors to solve technical production issues * Use your understanding of computer animation to come up with creative solutions to difficult technical problems Your software development experience must include: * Large software systems * Extensive scripting in Python or Perl (preferably both) * Object oriented C++ experience * UNIX/Linux development Additionally, you must have: * Excellent problem solving and customer service skills * Outstanding attention to detail and following through on tasks * Ability to handle a variety of tasks and personality types * Strong verbal and written communication skills * Enthusiasm for computer animation and/or CG in films We also prefer: * Experience in the computer animation industry * Knowledge of CG software such as Maya, Houdini, or Shake * Shell scripting (csh, tcsh, sh) ability * Knowledge of relational database concepts * System administration skills You must have achieved at least a bachelors degree in computer science. A masters is preferred. Tim Norman Dreamworks Animation Ph 818. 695. 7801 Fax 818. 695. 6210 www.dreamworksanimation.com [http://www.dreamworksanimation.com/interact/signatures/shrek_puss1.gif] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20080130/bdf29799/attachment.htm From kenobi at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 00:09:59 2008 From: kenobi at gmail.com (Rick Kwan) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:09:59 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] extended LL(1) parser with backtrack ? Message-ID: I know this seems like an oxymoron, but ... before I write my own thing, I'm looking for an extended LL(1) parser with backtrack. (If "extended LL(1)" doesn't register with you, think extended BNF or railroad tracks courtesy of Niklaus Wirth. And if that doesn't cut it, you may want to ignore this message.) Why in the world would I want to backtrack? This is for user input, where the user is able to go back and give a different set of tokens from what was originally given. Of course, I'm looking for something which executes in Python. (I've looked at ANTLR and YAPPS2; I don't think either handles backtracking.) --Rick Kwan From aahz at pythoncraft.com Thu Jan 31 01:17:04 2008 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:17:04 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] extended LL(1) parser with backtrack ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080131001704.GA1105@panix.com> On Wed, Jan 30, 2008, Rick Kwan wrote: > > I know this seems like an oxymoron, but ... before I write my own > thing, I'm looking for an extended LL(1) parser with backtrack. (If > "extended LL(1)" doesn't register with you, think extended BNF or > railroad tracks courtesy of Niklaus Wirth. And if that doesn't cut > it, you may want to ignore this message.) http://wiki.python.org/moin/LanguageParsing First check to see whether SPARK does what you want. -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection." --Butler Lampson From warren at muse.com Thu Jan 31 01:49:37 2008 From: warren at muse.com (Warren Stringer) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:49:37 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] extended LL(1) parser with backtrack ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080130164937.496zph5sca1w44sg@webmail.got.net> Hey Rick, I might have something that you can use. Not sure if it is a true LL(1), but it uses a BNF like declaration, with recursive fixup of forward declares. The resulting parse tree is a hierarchy of Python dictionaries. Unfortunately, I've been too busy to clean up and post the source. Here's an example of how I defined a domain specific language: """ tr3 = Indent who what tpy* sibs* kids* Dedent tpy = when | how | why sibs = ',' tr3 kids = tr3 who = path path = (step | name)+ name = alphanum step = '.' | '*' | '∞' | '//' what = (list+ | tupple )+ list = '[' branches ']' tupple = '(' branches ')' branches = branch (',' branches)? branch = (path list*) | leaf | image | bindc leaf = range | values range = min? op max? dfault? min = value op = slice | cycle slice = ':' cycle = '%' max = value dfault = '=' value values = value (','* values)? alphanum = r'[A-Za-z0-9_]' num = r'[0-9.]+' value = num | alphanum | bindc | image image = '_i_' bindc = '_c_' when = whenOp Indent where+ whenOp = attach | detach | increment | decrement | named | dename | register | dereg attach = '<<' detach = ' wrote: > I know this seems like an oxymoron, but ... before I write my own > thing, I'm looking for an extended LL(1) parser with backtrack. (If > "extended LL(1)" doesn't register with you, think extended BNF or > railroad tracks courtesy of Niklaus Wirth. And if that doesn't cut > it, you may want to ignore this message.) > > Why in the world would I want to backtrack? This is for user input, > where the user is able to go back and give a different set of tokens > from what was originally given. > > Of course, I'm looking for something which executes in Python. (I've > looked at ANTLR and YAPPS2; I don't think either handles > backtracking.) > > --Rick Kwan > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > \~/ Warren Stringer www.muse.com Voice: 408-497-4747 From drewp at bigasterisk.com Thu Jan 31 03:14:57 2008 From: drewp at bigasterisk.com (Drew Perttula) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:14:57 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] PDI/Dreamworks Is Looking for Pipeline Engineers In-Reply-To: <57E24B0263A3594EB66EEABC419CA407152FA4C3FB@EXCLUSGLD1.win.dreamworks.com> References: <57E24B0263A3594EB66EEABC419CA407152FA4C3FB@EXCLUSGLD1.win.dreamworks.com> Message-ID: <47A12F21.3020609@bigasterisk.com> Norman, Tim wrote: > *_Production or Pipeline (Python) Engineer_*_ ?*MAYA or Houdini*_ > > > > The Production Engineering group designs, implements, and maintains > software that "glues" together the software and data used in the > creation of animated feature films. Production engineers understand the > entire computer animation process and use that knowledge to develop the > DreamWorks global animation pipeline. > > We are seeking a highly motivated person with experience in both > software development and in computer animation production. > > As a production engineer, you will: > * Maintain the existing software systems used in the production of our > films > * Enhance, modify, and redesign the systems to accommodate the > ever-changing requirements of production > * Interact with animators and technical directors to solve technical > production issues > * Use your understanding of computer animation to come up with creative > solutions to difficult technical problems * and work with me! I make it to most of the meetings, so please find me there or via email if you'd like to hear more about the job (especially the python aspects). I think I've rattled on about the quality of my workplace before on this list, so here I'll summarize some of the distinctive aspects: * All users of our code are internal. You can email or visit them. They're fun artist-types who also know a bit of unix. * my products get used pretty quickly to make movies which have my name in the credits * we rarely write conventional programs that have been written before-- we try to focus on the issues involved in making cutting-edge animated films * company presentations often involve wearing stereo glasses [1] * we occasionally build light sculptures, such as these pulsing jellyfish that hang over my desk [2] [1] http://features.cgsociety.org/story.php?story_id=3978 [2] http://photo.bigasterisk.com/2007/event/jelly?current=http://photo.bigasterisk.com/digicam/jelly2/IMG_0165.JPG From aahz at pythoncraft.com Thu Jan 31 17:19:52 2008 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 08:19:52 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] DEADLINE Feb 4: OSCON 2008 Call for Proposals Message-ID: <20080131161952.GA21678@panix.com> The O'Reilly Open Source Convention (OSCON) is accepting proposals for tutorials and presentations. The submission period ends Feb 4. OSCON 2008 will be in Portland, Oregon July 21-25. For more information and to submit a proposal, see http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/ -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection." --Butler Lampson From jjinux at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 20:48:16 2008 From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:48:16 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Fwd: Publicizing PyCon kit available In-Reply-To: <6523e39a0801301247n50a08340t468f55f9a8380539@mail.gmail.com> References: <6523e39a0801301247n50a08340t468f55f9a8380539@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Who's going to PyCon, besides me and Guido? ;) -jj P.S. That instance of name-dropping was meant to be humorous. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Catherine Devlin Date: Jan 30, 2008 12:47 PM Subject: Publicizing PyCon kit available To: python-announce-list at python.org A "Publicizing PyCon" kit has been posted at the PyCon website. PyCon has always relied on the community to get the word out. This year, we've put together a "Publicizing PyCon" page under the "Helping Out" section of the PyCon website, at http://us.pycon.org/2008/helping/publicize/ It includes * Blog badges * Sample announcement emails * A poster/flyer to print out * A slide to drop into live presentations Now is the perfect time to spread the word - registration is open, and early-bird rates are available through Feb. 20. Thanks for your help! -- - Catherine http://catherinedevlin.blogspot.com/ *** PyCon 2008 * Chicago * March 13-20 * us.pycon.org *** -- - Catherine http://catherinedevlin.blogspot.com/ *** PyCon 2008 * Chicago * March 13-20 * us.pycon.org *** -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-announce-list Support the Python Software Foundation: http://www.python.org/psf/donations.html -- I, for one, welcome our new Facebook overlords! http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ From eric at ericwalstad.com Thu Jan 31 20:56:36 2008 From: eric at ericwalstad.com (Eric Walstad) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 11:56:36 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Fwd: Publicizing PyCon kit available In-Reply-To: References: <6523e39a0801301247n50a08340t468f55f9a8380539@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47A227F4.9050209@ericwalstad.com> Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > Who's going to PyCon, besides me and Guido? ;) > > -jj I'll see you both there! (what *is* the airspeed velocity of a A320 heavily laden with pythonistas (and coconuts)?) From dcramer at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 22:20:22 2008 From: dcramer at gmail.com (David Cramer) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:20:22 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Fwd: Publicizing PyCon kit available In-Reply-To: <47A227F4.9050209@ericwalstad.com> References: <6523e39a0801301247n50a08340t468f55f9a8380539@mail.gmail.com> <47A227F4.9050209@ericwalstad.com> Message-ID: I'll be there. On Jan 31, 2008 11:56 AM, Eric Walstad wrote: > Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > > Who's going to PyCon, besides me and Guido? ;) > > > > -jj > > I'll see you both there! > (what *is* the airspeed velocity of a A320 heavily laden with > pythonistas (and coconuts)?) > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- David Cramer Lead Developer Curse, Inc. http://www.curse.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/attachments/20080131/f8f05353/attachment.htm From matt at matt-good.net Thu Jan 31 23:25:32 2008 From: matt at matt-good.net (Matt Good) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:25:32 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Fwd: Publicizing PyCon kit available In-Reply-To: References: <6523e39a0801301247n50a08340t468f55f9a8380539@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Jan 31, 2008, at 11:48 AM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > Who's going to PyCon, besides me and Guido? ;) I'm in. -- Matt From charles.merriam at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 23:32:01 2008 From: charles.merriam at gmail.com (Charles Merriam) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:32:01 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Fwd: Publicizing PyCon kit available In-Reply-To: References: <6523e39a0801301247n50a08340t468f55f9a8380539@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Me. Of course they accepted the talk I haven't written not the one I have. :) - Charles On Jan 31, 2008 11:48 AM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > Who's going to PyCon, besides me and Guido? ;) > > -jj > > P.S. That instance of name-dropping was meant to be humorous. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Catherine Devlin > Date: Jan 30, 2008 12:47 PM > Subject: Publicizing PyCon kit available > To: python-announce-list at python.org > > > A "Publicizing PyCon" kit has been posted at the PyCon website. > > PyCon has always relied on the community to get the word out. This > year, we've put together a "Publicizing PyCon" page under the "Helping > Out" section of the PyCon website, at > > http://us.pycon.org/2008/helping/publicize/ > > It includes > > * Blog badges > * Sample announcement emails > * A poster/flyer to print out > * A slide to drop into live presentations > > Now is the perfect time to spread the word - registration is open, and > early-bird rates are available through Feb. 20. Thanks for your help! > > -- > - Catherine > http://catherinedevlin.blogspot.com/ > *** PyCon 2008 * Chicago * March 13-20 * us.pycon.org *** > > > -- > - Catherine > http://catherinedevlin.blogspot.com/ > *** PyCon 2008 * Chicago * March 13-20 * us.pycon.org *** > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-announce-list > > Support the Python Software Foundation: > http://www.python.org/psf/donations.html > > > > -- > I, for one, welcome our new Facebook overlords! > http://jjinux.blogspot.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >