[Baypiggies] The (lack of) design patterns in Python

jim jim at well.com
Tue Aug 4 18:22:42 CEST 2009

   the idea of debating design patterns in large 
is terrific. 
   who'd like to argue what? step right up and 
volunteer to participate. 
   it's possible we have speakers for all our 
meetings in 2009 (and possible not, depending...). 
figure tentatively that a design pattern debate 
would be for january 2010. 

On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 08:41 -0700, Alex Martelli wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:30 AM, Shannon -jj Behrens<jjinux at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Tony Cappellini<cappy2112 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> We have openings for November and December..
> >>
> >> Would anyone here be interested in hearing Joe Gregorio's presentation
> >> on "The (lack of) design patterns in Python" ?
> >> I think it would be good for the group to hear, since many didn't get
> >> to go to Oscon.
> >>
> >> If yes, are any of the Google employees in touch with him and would
> >> you be willing to ask him?
> >
> > +1
> >
> > However, I must admit, it'll probably drive me crazy.  I read the gang
> > of four cover-to-cover.  I think design patterns are language
> > specific.  For instance, I think that monads are a design pattern that
> > are really helpful in Haskell.  I get really bent out of shape when
> > people say, "My language is so powerful, it doesn't need design
> > patterns!" *sigh*  For instance, using class methods for providing
> > multiple constructors is something that Alex Martelli taught me, and I
> > think it qualifies as a design pattern.  (His example was
> > DateTime.from_gregorian_date(), etc.)
> Indeed, as another deep lover of design patterns, I was thinking a
> debate format would be much more appropriate than a lecture format,
> for presenting such a controversial thesis -- maybe 5 minutes to each
> side for an initial exposition, then alternate
> question-answer-antianswer-rebuttal with a moderator (audience would
> submit questions and vote for them in advance e.g. via google
> moderator, a human moderator would exercise editorial judgment to
> pick, sequence and address an actual set of 6 questions or so,
> possibly adding some of their own if the dory doesn't offer enough,
> with about 10 carefully-timed minutes devoted in all to each question)
> and finally a little freeform Q&A from the live audience at the end.
> I volunteer to take the pro-patterns side if we do set things up that way.
> Alex
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