[Baypiggies] call for newbie nuggets for july and/or august

[Shannon -jj Behrens]

Actually, here is the original format I proposed for newbie nuggets way back
in the day:

"Here are a list of guidelines that I think make sense.

* Please limit your talk to 10 minutes.
* You should show some code.
* PIck a topic that is harder than if statements, but easier than
metaclasses.
* Your target is relative new Python programmers.
* Make sure you cover the big picture.  Why should they care?
* Go slowly.  Newbies aren't experts.
* You don't have to be an expert to give a newbie nugget talk."

So it does explicitly mention metaclasses--I had forgotten about that ;)

Perhaps we should have the talk, tell users that metaclasses are an advanced
Python subject (i.e., they are "not the most fundamental approach to code
abstraction available in Python"), and not call it a newbie nugget.  I'm
still totally cool with hearing another talk on metaclasses.

Just my $0.02 USD,
-jj

On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com>wrote:

> Perhaps I wasn't clear.  I'm not saying he shouldn't give the talk.  I'm
> just saying that if he does, he reminds people that many newbies can safely
> ignore metaclasses.
>
> -jj
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:01 PM, RYAN DELUCCHI <bender at onsrc.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually,
>>
>> I am relatively new to Python and I would like to see the talk on
>> meta-classes.  Perhaps I am not representative of most python newbies but
>> ... It sounds like an interesting topic that would be *easier* to pick up if
>> it were presented by someone who has made use of them.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Jul 14, 2009, at 2:50 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
>>
>> Almir,
>>
>> Permit me to offer a suggestion.
>>
>> In the past when we covered metaclasses, some of the newbies were turned
>> off due to their complexity.  It led them to believe that Python as a whole
>> was too complex.  It's important to remind newbies that metaclasses are
>> interesting, but they're also a bit esoteric.  I.e. most Python programmers
>> don't spend all day writing metaclasses.
>>
>> -jj
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:51 AM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
>>
>>>   The July 23 meeting has been firmed up:
>>> Newbie Nugget is on Metaclasses, by Almir Karic
>>> Main talk is on cubicweb, by Sandrine Ribeau
>>>
>>
>>
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