[Baypiggies] What's a web developer?
rami.chowdhury at gmail.com
Mon Nov 2 20:46:08 CET 2009
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:35:40 -0800, K. Richard Pixley <rich at noir.com>
> Rami Chowdhury wrote:
>> Did you have a look at YUI, Scriptaculous, or Moo.fx? I'd be interested
>> to hear your thoughts...
> I did.
> nearly all frameworks offer some level of object and inheritance
> abstraction. This is typically leveraged as the mechanism behind their
> widget classes, (which is what leads reading about them to seem so
> reminiscent of Xtk and Xw which created object abstractions in C for X11
> and then a set of widgets which used that object abstraction.)
> Scriptaculous isn't really a framework so much as it is an addition to
> Prototype for doing certain kinds of animations. In the same way that
> many of the frameworks support or supplant Prototype, they also support
> or supplant the functionality from scriptaculous. It's not really a
> framework alternative.
> Mootools has a small, zealous community of support and many add on
> pieces. However, the sum of those pieces is a complex, set of widgets
> without much in the way of coherence or overall design. They lack many
> of the abilities of most of the other frameworks. And they are fairly
> well known for being less efficient, ie, slower and more space costly
> than other frameworks. The sole claim to fame of the moo folks is a
> superior model for object abstraction and even that seems to be arguable.
> YUI seems to be a very strong base framework, with very little in the
> way of evolved widgets. If they exist, they are not part of the
> standard package nor easy to find. As I was looking for existing
> widgets, YUI did not seem to be the right choice for me in my recent
> Depending on what you want to do, you probably want a "framework" which
> and perhaps abstracts at least one AJAX model and perhaps several. You
> may also want a set of pre-built widgets for constructing your own
> interfaces and perhaps your own widgets. If you intend to create all of
> your own widgets, then any of the libraries already mentioned, (except
> scriptaculous), will do.
> Prototype has no widgets to speak of, nor does scriptaculous.
> YUI looks to me like an excellent base for creating your own widgets,
> but a weak base for using already developed widgets.
> Moo has a debatable object abstraction paradigm and a moderate library
> of widgets, although with little or no overall design to the widget
> collection. Essentially, the widget library has evolved organically
> from the free software community around it without much structure.
> Dojo seems similar in this regard, only with a much better attempt to
> catalog and simplify the official widget set. Dojo also has a pretty
> rich widget set which rivals jquery and ext-js.
> Jquery and ext-js both have rich widget sets, good documentation, and
> good demos available. Ext-js seems to me to have the superior grid
> My research wasn't exhaustive so I'm sure I've missed gaping pieces of
> each of these systems and communities. Personally, I was specifically
> looking for an all-in-one framework with a good degree of consistency, a
> strong grid widget, at least a modest but well integrated widget set,
> with easily accessible demos, good documentation, and an open source
> license so that's my bias. For a different project, I may well have
> selected a different framework.
Great summary -- thank you!
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