From slander at unworkable.org  Fri Jan  1 02:53:50 2010
From: slander at unworkable.org (Harry Tormey)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 17:53:50 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyGameSF meetup Tuesday January 12th 6pm @ Stong Main
 San Francisco Public Library
Message-ID: <20100101015350.GB2741@unworkable.org>

Hi All,
Just writing to say the January PyGameSF meet up will be at the STONG conference room 
on the first floor of the main San Francisco public library beside civic center BART. 
The library closes at 8pm so we will reconvene to frjtz on hayes street for dinner/drinks 
afterwords. This months presentations are:

-Tim Thompson: the NthControl. For musical and visual performers, new
touchscreen netbooks (Asus T91MT) and USB-connected touchscreens (Mimo 720-S)
can augment the ubiquitous slider/knob/button box by providing a completely
software-driven interface that avoids the bulk and distraction of a laptop interface.
Tim has been experimenting in this area and will share his experience so far,
including a demonstration of a python-based display/controller (NthControl) he
is developing for upcoming musical/visual performances.

-Casey Duncan: Grease. Introducing Grease, a new open-source game engine
for developing 2D games in Python. Grease is an component-based entity system
with support for data-driven game development. Grease is designed from the
ground-up for simplicity, rapid development and high-performance. It is intended
to be fully interoperable with both pygame and pyglet, providing pluggable services
for sprite and vector rendering, post-processing effects, physics, particle effects,
event-driven logic scripting and eventually network support. Grease is in the early
stages of development, Casey hopes to get input on the design and architecture, as
well as encourage folks to contribute so they can use it for their own projects.

PyGame SF is an informal group meet up in San Francisco for Software
engineers interested in python, OpenGL, audio, pygame, SDL,
programming and generally anything to do with multimedia development.
The format of our meetings typically involve several people giving
presentations on projects they are developing followed by group
discussion and feedback.

If anyone else would like to give a micro presentation, show demos or
just talk about what they are doing or generally give examples of any
relevant software they are working on please feel free to head along
              
To subscribe to the pygamesf mailing list simply email            
pygame-sf+subscribe at unworkable.org

-- 
Harry Tormey
Co Founder P2P Research
http://p2presearch.com
Founder PyGameSF
http://pygamesf.org
Software Engineer Digidesign
http://digidesign.com

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Fri Jan  1 04:29:54 2010
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 19:29:54 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] FWD: She's Geeky invite for women
Message-ID: <20100101032954.GA1045@panix.com>

Forgot to forward this earlier:

----- Forwarded message from Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com> -----

Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:42:53 -0500
From: Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com>
To: diversity <diversity at python.org>
Subject: [Diversity] [Fwd: [Foundations] She's Geeky invite for women]

Maybe of interest to the members of this list.

regards
 Steve

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[Foundations] She's Geeky invite for women
Date: 	Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:06:28 -0800
From: 	Kaliya <kaliya at mac.com>
To: 	foundations at lists.freedesktop.org

So one of the issues that has been circulating in the tech world for
some time has been the issue of women (and other diversity) along with
the challenge of how to address it.

2 years ago I founded a women's technology unconference to support women
sharing and learning from one another with the ultimate goal of helping
those women who are geeky feeling more confident in their geekiness to
actually come out and express themselves more often in mixed settings.

We are having our 3rd Bay Area event at the end of January and I wanted
to extend an invitation to all the women on this foundations list to
attend.  Unfortunately this event is for women only - we have thought a
lot about this choice and why we made it - it is decidedly not about be
being "anti-male" and mostly about creating a safe space for women who
have been shy to express themselves. If this makes you feel
uncomfortable you can read more about this nuance and what we are about
here.  http://www.shesgeeky.org/about <ttp://www.shesgeeky.org/about">

Please consider passing this along to your over all FLOSS communities or
just women you know who participate - knowing about it and attending it
could make a big difference for women in your communities.

Thanks,
-Kaliya



*She?s Geeky: Connecting Women in Tech*
 Returning to the Bay Area January 29, 30 & 31, 2010
@ the Computer History Museum in Mountain View

*/She's Geeky is just 7 weeks away!   /*
*/Early Bird Tickets are available for just 2 more weeks until December
20th. /*

http://shesgeekybayarea3.eventbrite.com/
<ttp://shesgeekybayarea3.eventbrite.com/">
www.shesgeeky. <ttp://www.shesgeeky.com/">org


*This event is for:*

    * Women Working in Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematic
      Fields.
    * Women into their gadgets and SciFi Fan?s.
    * Women students of the sciences, those training to be engineers,
      aspiring mathematicians and technology professions.
    * Women who are kernel hackers and all those who aspire to deepen
      their geekiness by learning how to code the php on their blogs.
    * Daughters, Nieces and mentees of all of the above
    * Women who are retired used to work in tech related fields.

*What happens?*

    * All the women who attend are invited to create the agenda live the
      day of the event.
    * Women can present/share about their area of professional expertise.
    * Women learn from one another.
    * Women discuss critical issues affecting them in the digital age.
    * Women talk about work place and community issues they face.
    * Women are inspired to follow their passion and believe in their
      own abilities.
    * Women find connections and support for their work and vision.

*About The Format*
She?s Geeky is an unConference
<ttp://www.unconference.net/"> (http://www.unconference.net/
<ttp://www.unconference.net/">) where the agenda is created by all
participants live the day the event happens.  This format supports peer
to peer learning, dialogue about the issues that are top of mind and
networking.  In this women?s only environment attendees have the
opportunity to see their contribution to their field in a new light and
gain confidence to step forward in their lives and careers.

Click here
<ttp://shesgeeky.org/sg/2009/11/twitter-highlights-from-shes-geeky-dc/">
(http://shesgeeky.org/sg/2009/11/twitter-highlights-from-shes-geeky-dc/
<ttp://shesgeeky.org/sg/2009/11/twitter-highlights-from-shes-geeky-dc/">)
for a dip into the Twitter Stream from the November 13 & 14, 2009, sold
out, Washington, DC She?s Geeky Event to get a sense of the experience
from those who attended!  Or to read answers to the end of day question:
?As a result of today?? click here <ttp://bit.ly/4pXVwI">.
(http://www.shesgeeky.org/wiki/Sg2009dc:Results
<ttp://www.shesgeeky.org/wiki/Sg2009dc:Results">)



*About She's Geeky*
She?s Geeky convenes to inspire women for the future, providing a
gathering space to create enduring communities that foster collaboration
and innovation, while promoting initiative and leadership among women
tech professionals. Beginning with its resoundingly successful 2007
unConference in Silicon Valley, She?s Geeky attracts women from a broad
spectrum of technological specialties, diverse social groups,
generations, and levels of expertise. The inclusive quality of She?s
Geeky events promotes discussion, furthers cooperation, and encourages
learning. She?s Geeky advances systemic change in tech culture by
disseminating effective practices to address the challenges of women
working in Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics.



She?s Geeky isn?t a ?women in tech group? and we don?t have chapters
around the country. We are an unConference event that works to connect
and promote existing tech groups. Currently  we work with DevChix,
LinuxChix, Women 2.0, Women Who Tech, Digital Sistas, Girl Geek Dinners,
Gaming Angels, the Anita Borg Institute for Women in Technology.


*We hope you will join us! *
*
*
If you want to post about the event you can find graphics here along
with a PDF flyer.
http://shesgeeky.org/sg/graphics/ <ttp://shesgeeky.org/sg/graphics/">

If you have questions we can be reached via info at shesgeeky.org
<mailto:info at shesgeeky.org>

You can find us on Twitter at - http://www.twitter.com/shesgeeky
<http://www.twitter.com/shesgeeky>
Our website is http://www.shesgeeky.org <http://www.shesgeeky.org/>

-- 
Steve Holden           +1 571 484 6266   +1 800 494 3119
Holden Web LLC                 http://www.holdenweb.com/
UPCOMING EVENTS:        http://holdenweb.eventbrite.com/

----- End forwarded message -----

-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

Weinberg's Second Law: If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote 
programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization.

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Fri Jan  1 09:37:32 2010
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 00:37:32 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Happy New Decade!
Message-ID: <20100101083731.GA27285@panix.com>



From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 11:00:58 2010
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 02:00:58 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Dave Beazely's Coroutines presentation from Pycon 09
Message-ID: <8249c4ac1001010200v5960b78nf9b4a6d0d399cd51@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know what happened between Part 1 & Part 2 of Dave's
presentation?
Part 1 ends around slide 51, Part2 begins at slide 109.

http://blip.tv/file/1995823
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From badri.act at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 12:14:17 2010
From: badri.act at gmail.com (BADRI NARAYANAN)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:44:17 +0530
Subject: [Baypiggies] Happy New Decade!
In-Reply-To: <20100101083731.GA27285@panix.com>
References: <20100101083731.GA27285@panix.com>
Message-ID: <26d886911001010314v7041e45bwcbb58d067b9fdafe@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

 Happy new year!

On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:

>
> _______________________________________________
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Best Regards,

BADRI NARAYANAN.K.

If at first you don't succeed, call it VERSION 1.0!
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From daryl.spitzer at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 15:24:05 2010
From: daryl.spitzer at gmail.com (Daryl Spitzer)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 06:24:05 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Dave Beazely's Coroutines presentation from Pycon
	09
In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac1001010200v5960b78nf9b4a6d0d399cd51@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac1001010200v5960b78nf9b4a6d0d399cd51@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fbf2758a1001010624r5e77dfbcu6d0d47170b9b2942@mail.gmail.com>

The slides (and code samples) are at: http://www.dabeaz.com/coroutines/.

Cosmin, it looks like part of this video has gone missing.  Do you
know who might be able to help us with that?

--
Daryl


On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 2:00 AM, Tony Cappellini <cappy2112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know what happened between Part 1 & Part 2 of Dave's
> presentation?
> Part 1 ends around slide 51, Part2 begins at slide 109.
>
> http://blip.tv/file/1995823
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Baypiggies at python.org
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From jjinux at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 06:27:41 2010
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 21:27:41 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] new moderator of BayPiggies
Message-ID: <c41f67b91001012127o418a8445g5f013670738296d0@mail.gmail.com>

I'm having a harder and harder time keeping up with email these days,
so I've asked Simeon to take over as moderator of BayPiggies.  He's
friendly, level-headed, and competent.  I think he'll do a great job.

If you have any objections to this move, please contact me privately.

Best Regards,
-jj

-- 
In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things
with great love. -- Mother Teresa
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From craigfrazersmith at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 20:38:42 2010
From: craigfrazersmith at gmail.com (Craig Smith)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 11:38:42 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] new moderator of BayPiggies
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b91001012127o418a8445g5f013670738296d0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c41f67b91001012127o418a8445g5f013670738296d0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bab776121001021138p2ad54ee1ne30f084587dc4751@mail.gmail.com>

JJ:

    Thanks for all the work you've put in helping keep this list the
interesting place it is.

-Craig Smith.

On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm having a harder and harder time keeping up with email these days,
> so I've asked Simeon to take over as moderator of BayPiggies. ?He's
> friendly, level-headed, and competent. ?I think he'll do a great job.
>
> If you have any objections to this move, please contact me privately.
>
> Best Regards,
> -jj
>
> --
> In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things
> with great love. -- Mother Teresa
> http://jjinux.blogspot.com/
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>

From eric at ericwalstad.com  Sat Jan  2 21:15:13 2010
From: eric at ericwalstad.com (Eric Walstad)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:15:13 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] new moderator of BayPiggies
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b91001012127o418a8445g5f013670738296d0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c41f67b91001012127o418a8445g5f013670738296d0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c436fcd21001021215l42c7a1a1jc254f36b9bb8f9e2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi JJ,

On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm having a harder and harder time keeping up with email these days,
> so I've asked Simeon to take over as moderator of BayPiggies. ?He's
> friendly, level-headed, and competent. ?I think he'll do a great job.
Thanks for your work moderating the BayPiggies list over the last 2
years, 49 weeks, 11 hours and 54 minutes[0].  It's been interesting
watching so much change with this group: from new meeting venues to
forking the mailing list to new folks joining, interesting
perspectives and topics of conversation.  I've appreciated how you've
handled the list through all these changes.  Thanks, too, to Simeon
for taking over as moderator.

Eric.
[0] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.org.baypiggies/1937

From eric at ericwalstad.com  Sat Jan  2 21:25:04 2010
From: eric at ericwalstad.com (Eric Walstad)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:25:04 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Website problem
Message-ID: <c436fcd21001021225sc4c5968we3d438d35421126d@mail.gmail.com>

...wherefore art thou, Zope?

ewalstad at asu:~$ curl -i http://www.baypiggies.net/
HTTP/1.1 502 Bad Gateway
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:20:54 GMT
Content-Length: 232
Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">
<html><head>
<title>502 Bad Gateway</title>
</head><body>
<h1>Bad Gateway</h1>
<p>The proxy server received an invalid
response from an upstream server.<br />
</p>
</body></html>

From bdbaddog at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 22:22:11 2010
From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 13:22:11 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Website problem
In-Reply-To: <c436fcd21001021225sc4c5968we3d438d35421126d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c436fcd21001021225sc4c5968we3d438d35421126d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8540148a1001021322i3fef0f20h58ed76ad38d7e07e@mail.gmail.com>

Fixed.
-Bill

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Eric Walstad <eric at ericwalstad.com> wrote:
> ...wherefore art thou, Zope?
>
> ewalstad at asu:~$ curl -i http://www.baypiggies.net/
> HTTP/1.1 502 Bad Gateway
> Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:20:54 GMT
> Content-Length: 232
> Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">
> <html><head>
> <title>502 Bad Gateway</title>
> </head><body>
> <h1>Bad Gateway</h1>
> <p>The proxy server received an invalid
> response from an upstream server.<br />
> </p>
> </body></html>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>

From jjinux at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 10:56:45 2010
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 01:56:45 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] new moderator of BayPiggies
In-Reply-To: <c436fcd21001021215l42c7a1a1jc254f36b9bb8f9e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c41f67b91001012127o418a8445g5f013670738296d0@mail.gmail.com>
	<c436fcd21001021215l42c7a1a1jc254f36b9bb8f9e2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c41f67b91001030156r74c9c337r3594cc3661ad3c9a@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Eric Walstad <eric at ericwalstad.com> wrote:
> Hi JJ,
>
> On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm having a harder and harder time keeping up with email these days,
> > so I've asked Simeon to take over as moderator of BayPiggies. ?He's
> > friendly, level-headed, and competent. ?I think he'll do a great job.
> Thanks for your work moderating the BayPiggies list over the last 2
> years, 49 weeks, 11 hours and 54 minutes[0]. ?It's been interesting
> watching so much change with this group: from new meeting venues to
> forking the mailing list to new folks joining, interesting
> perspectives and topics of conversation. ?I've appreciated how you've
> handled the list through all these changes. ?Thanks, too, to Simeon
> for taking over as moderator.
>
> Eric.
> [0] http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.org.baypiggies/1937

Thanks, guys ;)

-jj

--
In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things
with great love. -- Mother Teresa
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/

From p at ulmcnett.com  Sun Jan  3 18:51:09 2010
From: p at ulmcnett.com (Paul McNett)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 09:51:09 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] new moderator of BayPiggies
In-Reply-To: <c436fcd21001021215l42c7a1a1jc254f36b9bb8f9e2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c41f67b91001012127o418a8445g5f013670738296d0@mail.gmail.com>
	<c436fcd21001021215l42c7a1a1jc254f36b9bb8f9e2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B40D90D.1090108@ulmcnett.com>

Eric Walstad wrote:
> forking the mailing list to new folks joining, interesting

The mailing list was forked?

Paul


From eric at ericwalstad.com  Mon Jan  4 07:46:39 2010
From: eric at ericwalstad.com (Eric Walstad)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:46:39 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] new moderator of BayPiggies
In-Reply-To: <4B40D90D.1090108@ulmcnett.com>
References: <c41f67b91001012127o418a8445g5f013670738296d0@mail.gmail.com>
	<c436fcd21001021215l42c7a1a1jc254f36b9bb8f9e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B40D90D.1090108@ulmcnett.com>
Message-ID: <c436fcd21001032246v7364a139m833f79bcdb618d7e@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Paul McNett <p at ulmcnett.com> wrote:
> The mailing list was forked?

Yes, PyOP
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.org.baypiggies/2314

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Mon Jan  4 16:55:32 2010
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 07:55:32 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] new moderator of BayPiggies
In-Reply-To: <c436fcd21001032246v7364a139m833f79bcdb618d7e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c41f67b91001012127o418a8445g5f013670738296d0@mail.gmail.com>
	<c436fcd21001021215l42c7a1a1jc254f36b9bb8f9e2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B40D90D.1090108@ulmcnett.com>
	<c436fcd21001032246v7364a139m833f79bcdb618d7e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100104155531.GA28842@panix.com>

On Sun, Jan 03, 2010, Eric Walstad wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Paul McNett <p at ulmcnett.com> wrote:
>>
>> The mailing list was forked?
> 
> Yes, PyOP
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.org.baypiggies/2314

Hard to call that "forking" when the other list is essentially moribund.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

Weinberg's Second Law: If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote 
programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization.

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Tue Jan  5 18:04:57 2010
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:04:57 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] FWD: PyCon early-bird ends TOMORROW (Jan 6)
Message-ID: <20100105170457.GA9742@panix.com>

----- Forwarded message from Catherine Devlin <catherine.devlin at gmail.com> -----

> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:02:16 -0500
> Subject: PyCon early-bird ends TOMORROW (Jan 6)
> From: Catherine Devlin <catherine.devlin at gmail.com>
> To: python-announce-list at python.org
> Reply-To: python-list at python.org
> Newsgroups: comp.lang.python.announce
> 
> PyCon early-bird registration discounts end TOMORROW, Jan. 6.
> 
> The time for raw panic has arrived.  Run into the nearest open public
> place.  Wave your arms in the air, tear your hair, and scream wildly.
> Sobbing hysterically is a nice touch.
> 
> Or, if all that sounds too tiring for you, just stop by
> http://us.pycon.org/2010/registration/ and register.
> 
> After tomorrow, rates will go from wonderfully-cheap $450/300/400
> (corporate/individual/student) to still-pretty-darn-cheap $600/350/225.
> 
> Remind your friends!  See you in Atlanta!
> -- 
> - Catherine
> http://catherinedevlin.blogspot.com/
> *** PyCon * Feb 17-25, 2010 * Atlanta, GA * us.pycon.org ***
> 

----- End forwarded message -----

-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

Weinberg's Second Law: If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote 
programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization.

From simeonf at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 01:23:00 2010
From: simeonf at gmail.com (Simeon Franklin)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:23:00 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] If we had time... Face memory game app
In-Reply-To: <c436fcd20912261850i57b27967v88dbecf778677c8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C2A73423-702B-40B6-9887-9E36826E45D2@glenjarvis.com>
	<e58a4bea0912250902v33d57b8fxbdc7610e038b94b@mail.gmail.com>
	<c436fcd20912261850i57b27967v88dbecf778677c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e58a4bea1001051623u6e45a4f3w9c3278ad12a9107@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Eric Walstad <eric at ericwalstad.com> wrote:

> Nice work, Simeon.
> Eric.
>
>
Thanks Eric -

In case anybody tried to check this out over the holidays and was unable to
see it - my new dedicated server (<1 Month old) chose Christmas night to
start rebooting randomly and eventually died (Both a bad stick of RAM and a
bad SATA connector on a hard drive according to my hosting company). At any
rate I spent my holiday time rebuilding my server from backups and my domain
had quite a bit of downtime. Everything is back up now, however, so check it
out if you missed it before.

I'll refresh the pictures from gravatar in a few days and then quit messing
with it so if you wanted your mugshot on the board now's the time...

-regards
Simeon Franklin
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From gracelaw at mac.com  Tue Jan  5 23:07:24 2010
From: gracelaw at mac.com (Grace Law)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:07:24 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Noah Gift talks about Writing a RESTful web service in
 Pylons on Jan 13 at sfpython meetup
Message-ID: <9448020A-EBAA-4E9B-B3D4-BDA7CAB6E740@mac.com>

Hi there,

Thought I should post Noah Gift's talk to bay piggies as well -

Happy new year and hope to see you there -

Grace

------
Announcing a new Meetup for San Francisco Python Meetup Group!

What: Writing a RESTful web service in Pylons by Noah Gift

When: January 13, 2010 6:30 PM

Where:
Slide
301 Brannan Street
San Francisco, CA 94107

Happy New Year! Hope you have all enjoyed the nice holiday break. We  
are starting off 2010 with another well accomplished speaker.

Noah Gift is currently the Senior Technical Director at ImageMovers  
Digital working on Python software development for Film Pipelines.  
Prior to that, he has worked on Python development projects as  
diverse as writing an SNMP auto-discovery system, writing a Content  
Management System from scratch, creating a large scale Web 2.0/Social  
Networking Application in Django for Turner Studios, writing iPhone  
applications that talk to Google App Engine... He is also credited to  
producing animated films such as Chicken Little , and Surf's Up  
earlier on in his career.

Noah is also the co-author of Python For Unix and Linux System  
Administration by O'Reilly. He writes for publications such as IBM  
Developerworks, Red Hat Magazine, O'Reilly, and MacTech, and Manning,  
and is currently working on a book on Google App Engine.

Noah has graciously accepted our invitation to speak at our group. He  
plans to use real life examples in the film industry and talk about  
about writing a RESTful web service in Pylons. Stay tune for a more  
detailed abstract of the talk.

Meanwhile, please RSVP here. If you RSVP and cannot attend, please be  
kind and change your RSVP to allow other members on wait list to attend.

Agenda-
6:30p - 7:00p Check-in, Pizza and Networking
7:00p - 8:30p Main talk / Q&A
9:15 / 9:30p Door close and move the after-hour party to 21st Amendment

About Slide's office:
2.5 blocks from Cal Train
Easy parking along 2nd street and Brannan

Thanks and look forward to meeting you -

Grace

Learn more here:
http://www.meetup.com/sfpython/calendar/12232104/

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From wescpy at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 19:10:02 2010
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:10:02 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyCon Reminders
Message-ID: <78b3a9581001061010k79018643h748e62d52dfad538@mail.gmail.com>

if you're not going to PyCon in Atlanta next month, click [DELETE].

final reminder that today is the LAST DAY of earlybird registration.
rates go up tomorrow. http://us.pycon.org

also, i'd like to fwd the below thread from another mailing list where
someone attempted to book their stay at the Hyatt in Atlanta for
PyCon. repeating what doug says down below, the hyatt is NOT sold out.
do NOT go to hyatt directly but book through the conference housing
bureau.

cheers,
-- wesley
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001
"Python Fundamentals", Prentice Hall, (c)2009
    http://corepython.com

wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com
python training and technical consulting
cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
http://cyberwebconsulting.com



On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:42 AM, Doug Hellmann <doug.hellmann at gmail.com> wrote:
> The Hyatt is NOT sold out.
>
> PyCon has reserved a large block of rooms, and there are still open places,
> but ONLY if you go through the PyCon housing web site.  They are not
> available through the regular Hyatt registration system because that system
> doesn't know you're part of PyCon.
>
> Please don't discourage people from registering at the Hyatt!  Any rooms not
> paid for by conference attendees will have to be paid for by the PSF
> directly in order to meet the contractual obligations for the reservations.
>
> On Jan 5, 2010, at 8:55 PM, Stuart Freeman wrote:
>
>> If the Hyatt is indeed sold out, you might consider the Mariott Marquis
>> or the Hilton.  Both are connected to the Hyatt by sky bridges
>> (habitrails), so you can get there without even going outside.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 02:47:38PM -0500, Skylar Saveland wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hello all,
>>>  According to [1]http://atlantaregency.hyatt.com/hyatt/hotels/index.jsp,
>>>  the Hyatt is sold out for the 17th-25th. ?I'm wondering what people are
>>>  planning and what is a good second choice, if there are any promotion
>>>  codes, deals, people that want to?
>>>  go in on a room, that sort of thing. ?I have a friend coming in from
>>>  Singapore and I live about 35-40minutes away and was just planning on
>>>  getting a room at the Hyatt. ?If indeed it is sold out, well, I don't
>>>  know. ?Any ideas?
>>>  Skylar

From glen at glenjarvis.com  Wed Jan  6 19:33:24 2010
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:33:24 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyCon Reminders
In-Reply-To: <78b3a9581001061010k79018643h748e62d52dfad538@mail.gmail.com>
References: <78b3a9581001061010k79018643h748e62d52dfad538@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6281CE2E-0DB4-4DA0-A680-EAA80319D3BE@glenjarvis.com>

I have the registration fee covered but am still working on  
transportation and hotel. Is anyone here going?


Glen

On Jan 6, 2010, at 10:10 AM, wesley chun <wescpy at gmail.com> wrote:

> if you're not going to PyCon in Atlanta next month, click [DELETE].
>
> final reminder that today is the LAST DAY of earlybird registration.
> rates go up tomorrow. http://us.pycon.org
>
> also, i'd like to fwd the below thread from another mailing list where
> someone attempted to book their stay at the Hyatt in Atlanta for
> PyCon. repeating what doug says down below, the hyatt is NOT sold out.
> do NOT go to hyatt directly but book through the conference housing
> bureau.
>
> cheers,
> -- wesley
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> "Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001
> "Python Fundamentals", Prentice Hall, (c)2009
>    http://corepython.com
>
> wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com
> python training and technical consulting
> cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
> http://cyberwebconsulting.com
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 4:42 AM, Doug Hellmann  
> <doug.hellmann at gmail.com> wrote:
>> The Hyatt is NOT sold out.
>>
>> PyCon has reserved a large block of rooms, and there are still open  
>> places,
>> but ONLY if you go through the PyCon housing web site.  They are not
>> available through the regular Hyatt registration system because  
>> that system
>> doesn't know you're part of PyCon.
>>
>> Please don't discourage people from registering at the Hyatt!  Any  
>> rooms not
>> paid for by conference attendees will have to be paid for by the PSF
>> directly in order to meet the contractual obligations for the  
>> reservations.
>>
>> On Jan 5, 2010, at 8:55 PM, Stuart Freeman wrote:
>>
>>> If the Hyatt is indeed sold out, you might consider the Mariott  
>>> Marquis
>>> or the Hilton.  Both are connected to the Hyatt by sky bridges
>>> (habitrails), so you can get there without even going outside.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 05, 2010 at 02:47:38PM -0500, Skylar Saveland wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>> According to [1]http://atlantaregency.hyatt.com/hyatt/hotels/index.jsp 
>>>> ,
>>>> the Hyatt is sold out for the 17th-25th. ?I'm wondering what  
>>>> people are
>>>> planning and what is a good second choice, if there are any  
>>>> promotion
>>>> codes, deals, people that want to?
>>>> go in on a room, that sort of thing. ?I have a friend coming in  
>>>> from
>>>> Singapore and I live about 35-40minutes away and was just  
>>>> planning on
>>>> getting a room at the Hyatt. ?If indeed it is sold out, well, I  
>>>> don't
>>>> know. ?Any ideas?
>>>> Skylar
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies

From p at ulmcnett.com  Wed Jan  6 19:47:30 2010
From: p at ulmcnett.com (Paul McNett)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 10:47:30 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyCon Reminders
In-Reply-To: <6281CE2E-0DB4-4DA0-A680-EAA80319D3BE@glenjarvis.com>
References: <78b3a9581001061010k79018643h748e62d52dfad538@mail.gmail.com>
	<6281CE2E-0DB4-4DA0-A680-EAA80319D3BE@glenjarvis.com>
Message-ID: <4B44DAC2.4040800@ulmcnett.com>

Glen Jarvis wrote:
> I have the registration fee covered but am still working on 
> transportation and hotel. Is anyone here going?

I just booked the only available direct flight from SJC to ATL - a redeye leaving San 
Jose at 10:30 on Tuesday and arriving in Atlanta 6am Wednesday. I'm already sharing a 
room at the Hyatt but perhaps there's another pythonista or two that will be on the 
same flight to share a cab with...

Paul


From p at ulmcnett.com  Wed Jan  6 19:53:27 2010
From: p at ulmcnett.com (Paul McNett)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 10:53:27 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyCon Reminders
In-Reply-To: <4B44DAC2.4040800@ulmcnett.com>
References: <78b3a9581001061010k79018643h748e62d52dfad538@mail.gmail.com>	<6281CE2E-0DB4-4DA0-A680-EAA80319D3BE@glenjarvis.com>
	<4B44DAC2.4040800@ulmcnett.com>
Message-ID: <4B44DC27.3040702@ulmcnett.com>

Paul McNett wrote:
> Glen Jarvis wrote:
>> I have the registration fee covered but am still working on 
>> transportation and hotel. Is anyone here going?
> 
> I just booked the only available direct flight from SJC to ATL - a 
> redeye leaving San Jose at 10:30 on Tuesday and arriving in Atlanta 6am 
> Wednesday. I'm already sharing a room at the Hyatt but perhaps there's 
> another pythonista or two that will be on the same flight to share a cab 
> with...

Oh, hang on: MARTA rail service from airport to hotel at Peachtree Center is only $2. 
But we could still find the MARTA rail together! :)

Actually, I may need to take a cab depending on how long the rail will take, since 
I'm volunteering to video tutorials and need to try to get there before they actually 
begin - I assume the tutorials start at 8:00 but can't find that specific on the site.

Paul


From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Wed Jan  6 23:53:15 2010
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 14:53:15 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyCon Reminders
In-Reply-To: <4B44DAC2.4040800@ulmcnett.com>
References: <78b3a9581001061010k79018643h748e62d52dfad538@mail.gmail.com>
	<6281CE2E-0DB4-4DA0-A680-EAA80319D3BE@glenjarvis.com>
	<4B44DAC2.4040800@ulmcnett.com>
Message-ID: <20100106225315.GB5634@panix.com>

On Wed, Jan 06, 2010, Paul McNett wrote:
>
> I just booked the only available direct flight from SJC to ATL - a redeye 
> leaving San Jose at 10:30 on Tuesday and arriving in Atlanta 6am 
> Wednesday. I'm already sharing a room at the Hyatt but perhaps there's 
> another pythonista or two that will be on the same flight to share a cab 
> with...

Warning: when I stayed at the airport Crowne Plaza a year ago, they
canceled my room when I arrived on the redeye despite confirming with
them.  Obviously, this is a different hotel, but I've had enough
problems with Hyatt lately that I definitely recommend confirming with
hotel the day of arrival.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait
until you hire an amateur."  --Red Adair

From wescpy at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 01:50:50 2010
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:50:50 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyCon Reminders
In-Reply-To: <20100106225315.GB5634@panix.com>
References: <78b3a9581001061010k79018643h748e62d52dfad538@mail.gmail.com>
	<6281CE2E-0DB4-4DA0-A680-EAA80319D3BE@glenjarvis.com>
	<4B44DAC2.4040800@ulmcnett.com> <20100106225315.GB5634@panix.com>
Message-ID: <78b3a9581001061650i33ae74b6o79ce19e1b57edcab@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 06, 2010, Paul McNett wrote:
>>
>> I just booked the only available direct flight from SJC to ATL - a redeye
>> leaving San Jose at 10:30 on Tuesday and arriving in Atlanta 6am
>> Wednesday. I'm already sharing a room at the Hyatt but perhaps there's
>> another pythonista or two that will be on the same flight to share a cab
>> with...
>
> Warning: when I stayed at the airport Crowne Plaza a year ago, they
> canceled my room when I arrived on the redeye despite confirming with
> them. ?Obviously, this is a different hotel, but I've had enough
> problems with Hyatt lately that I definitely recommend confirming with
> hotel the day of arrival.


i'm not taking a RE flight this time (as there are more non-stops from
SFO), but i too, also call both the night before and the morning of to
make sure that even if i can't get into my room yet since i am
arriving before check-out time, that they have room to store my
luggage (or perhaps am lucky enough to get a room that was either
uninhabited the night before or that someone took off early enough to
let housekeeping clear it out before my arrival).

one other note i wanted to pass on is that airfares are the *best*
they can be now to get out there. i book my plane ticket for $425 last
week, and it's dropped over a hundred bucks. airtran and delta have RT
flights from SFO-ATL for $319(!) like *now* (and even less from OAK
starting from $289[!] but more from SJC starting at $359). let my pain
be your gain!

-- wesley
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"Python Web Development with Django", Addison Wesley, (c) 2009
    http://withdjango.com

wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com
python training and technical consulting
cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
http://cyberwebconsulting.com

From rami.chowdhury at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 11:32:58 2010
From: rami.chowdhury at gmail.com (Rami Chowdhury)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:32:58 +0600
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyCon Reminders
In-Reply-To: <78b3a9581001061650i33ae74b6o79ce19e1b57edcab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <78b3a9581001061010k79018643h748e62d52dfad538@mail.gmail.com>
	<6281CE2E-0DB4-4DA0-A680-EAA80319D3BE@glenjarvis.com>
	<4B44DAC2.4040800@ulmcnett.com> <20100106225315.GB5634@panix.com>
	<78b3a9581001061650i33ae74b6o79ce19e1b57edcab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <61915DCC-E595-4EE6-A012-D83A7BDF705A@gmail.com>


On Jan 7, 2010, at 06:50 , wesley chun wrote:
> 
> one other note i wanted to pass on is that airfares are the *best*
> they can be now to get out there. i book my plane ticket for $425 last
> week, and it's dropped over a hundred bucks. airtran and delta have RT
> flights from SFO-ATL for $319(!) like *now* (and even less from OAK
> starting from $289[!] but more from SJC starting at $359). let my pain
> be your gain!

Thanks for the tip, Wes!

From kbighorse at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  8 01:22:54 2010
From: kbighorse at yahoo.com (Kimball Bighorse)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:22:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baypiggies] Newbie: Deployment tools?
Message-ID: <81689.68769.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Working on a Twisted Web app coming from a Java/Ruby background, used to Capistrano for Rails deployment.  Looking at zc.buildout and fabric for deployment, any opinions or other options for me to investigate?

Gratefully,

Kimball

From simeonf at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 01:40:43 2010
From: simeonf at gmail.com (Simeon Franklin)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:40:43 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Newbie: Deployment tools?
In-Reply-To: <81689.68769.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <81689.68769.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e58a4bea1001071640v2a2009e3y7e6998dbeb005970@mail.gmail.com>

Fabric is the more capistrano-ish tool if all your looking for is scriptable
deployment. Buildout does more but it seems more "magic" to me and imposes a
bit of structure on your project. Fabric on the other hand is pretty much
just a quick way of creating command line tools that do 3 common deployment
tasks: run local commands, use ssh to move files, and run remote commands on
the deployment target. I found fabric much easier to wrap my head around and
it satisfied my (limited) deployment needs. YMMV!

-regards
Simeon Franklin

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Kimball Bighorse <kbighorse at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Working on a Twisted Web app coming from a Java/Ruby background, used to
> Capistrano for Rails deployment.  Looking at zc.buildout and fabric for
> deployment, any opinions or other options for me to investigate?
>
> Gratefully,
>
> Kimball
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
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From puruiw at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  8 05:56:20 2010
From: puruiw at yahoo.com (Purui Wang)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:56:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baypiggies] My search engine for Python source code
Message-ID: <993398.94116.qm@web45016.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I wrote a search engine for python source code. It helps you find samples from open source projects. It understands python syntax, and can find samples that other engines can't find.
Please take a look and send me a feed back.
http://nullege.com

- Purui
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From harish.mallipeddi at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 09:22:13 2010
From: harish.mallipeddi at gmail.com (Harish Mallipeddi)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 13:52:13 +0530
Subject: [Baypiggies] Newbie: Deployment tools?
In-Reply-To: <e58a4bea1001071640v2a2009e3y7e6998dbeb005970@mail.gmail.com>
References: <81689.68769.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<e58a4bea1001071640v2a2009e3y7e6998dbeb005970@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e01b80591001080022j64a82b7aud0343e1237455655@mail.gmail.com>

+1  Fabric - fabric is very minimal and doesn't get in your way. And the
most important thing to remember is it's just plain old python code (not
some fancy DSL).

-- Harish

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 6:10 AM, Simeon Franklin <simeonf at gmail.com> wrote:

> Fabric is the more capistrano-ish tool if all your looking for is
> scriptable deployment. Buildout does more but it seems more "magic" to me
> and imposes a bit of structure on your project. Fabric on the other hand is
> pretty much just a quick way of creating command line tools that do 3 common
> deployment tasks: run local commands, use ssh to move files, and run remote
> commands on the deployment target. I found fabric much easier to wrap my
> head around and it satisfied my (limited) deployment needs. YMMV!
>
> -regards
> Simeon Franklin
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Kimball Bighorse <kbighorse at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Working on a Twisted Web app coming from a Java/Ruby background, used to
>> Capistrano for Rails deployment.  Looking at zc.buildout and fabric for
>> deployment, any opinions or other options for me to investigate?
>>
>> Gratefully,
>>
>> Kimball
>> _______________________________________________
>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> Baypiggies at python.org
>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Baypiggies at python.org
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-- 
Harish Mallipeddi
http://blog.poundbang.in
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From jcboik at stanford.edu  Sat Jan  9 12:56:55 2010
From: jcboik at stanford.edu (John Boik)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 03:56:55 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] programmer wanted for short job --- python/C/Fortran
 scientific application
Message-ID: <1263038215.13691.18.camel@quad1>

Hello:
I need a few hours of help (asap) in altering two existing C and Fortran
programs to allow passing of data directly from python (as opposed to
reading data from text files).  This is for a scientific application
related to protein folding.  Please write for more information and to
discuss compensation.  

John, jcboik at stanford.edu




From ovikanobi at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  9 21:32:34 2010
From: ovikanobi at yahoo.com (ovi chitayat)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:32:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baypiggies] need help
Message-ID: <285564.51211.qm@web112117.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi,
I am trying to install Python on my private Linux machine.
Below is the build result:
=================================================
[root at centos48_1 Python-3.1.1]# make
running build
running build_ext
building dbm using gdbm
building '_tkinter' extension
gcc -pthread -fPIC -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -g -fwrapv -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -DWITH_APPINIT=1 -I/usr/X11R6/include -I. -I./Include -I/usr/local/include -IInclude -I/root/Python-3.1.1 -c /root/Python-3.1.1/Modules/_tkinter.c -o build/temp.linux-i686-3.1/root/Python-3.1.1/Modules/_tkinter.o
gcc -pthread -fPIC -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -g -fwrapv -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -DWITH_APPINIT=1 -I/usr/X11R6/include -I. -I./Include -I/usr/local/include -IInclude -I/root/Python-3.1.1 -c /root/Python-3.1.1/Modules/tkappinit.c -o build/temp.linux-i686-3.1/root/Python-3.1.1/Modules/tkappinit.o
gcc -pthread -shared build/temp.linux-i686-3.1/root/Python-3.1.1/Modules/_tkinter.o build/temp.linux-i686-3.1/root/Python-3.1.1/Modules/tkappinit.o -L/usr/X11R6/lib64 -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/usr/local/lib -ltk8.5 -ltcl8.5 -lX11 -o build/lib.linux-i686-3.1/_tkinter.so
*** WARNING: renaming "_tkinter" since importing it failed: libtk8.5.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

Failed to build these modules:
_tkinter

running build_scripts
================================================================
As you can see, I am running this as root. The Linux version is CentOS 4
It complains about not being able to open libtk8.5
I do not understand why that would be the case since this library does
exist in /usr/local/lib that appear in the -L link search 
Below is the listing of the /usr/local/lib:
=========================================================
p[root at centos48_1 Python-3.1.1]# ls -l /usr/local/lib
total 15156
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 1551330 Dec 29 11:10 libsqlite3.a
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root     818 Dec 29 11:10 libsqlite3.la
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root      19 Dec 29 11:10 libsqlite3.so -> libsqlite3.so.0.8.6
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root      19 Dec 29 11:10 libsqlite3.so.0 -> libsqlite3.so.0.8.6
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 1342442 Dec 29 11:10 libsqlite3.so.0.8.6
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 4035692 Dec 28 12:53 libtcl8.5.so
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   71042 Dec 28 12:53 libtclstub8.5.a
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 8229606 Dec 28 16:04 libtk8.5.so
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  144516 Dec 28 16:04 libtkstub8.5.a
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root    4096 Dec 29 11:10 pkgconfig
drwxr-xr-x  5 root root    4096 Dec 28 12:53 tcl8
drwxr-xr-x  6 root root    4096 Dec 28 12:53 tcl8.5
-rw-r--r--  1 root root    7916 Dec 28 12:53 tclConfig.sh
drwxr-xr-x  6 root root    4096 Dec 28 16:04 tk8.5
-rw-r--r--  1 root root    4391 Dec 28 16:04 tkConfig.shath.
=============================================================
Please help
Ovi




      

From dalke at dalkescientific.com  Sat Jan  9 22:23:53 2010
From: dalke at dalkescientific.com (Andrew Dalke)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 22:23:53 +0100
Subject: [Baypiggies] need help
In-Reply-To: <285564.51211.qm@web112117.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <285564.51211.qm@web112117.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <35166D06-BC89-429E-A2C2-FD612F7B97A0@dalkescientific.com>

On Jan 9, 2010, at 9:32 PM, ovi chitayat wrote:
> *** WARNING: renaming "_tkinter" since importing it failed: libtk8.5.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

> I do not understand why that would be the case since this library does
> exist in /usr/local/lib that appear in the -L link search 

Is /usr/local/lib also in your LD_LIBRARY_PATH ?

				Andrew
				dalke at dalkescientific.com



From wescpy at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 22:30:41 2010
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 13:30:41 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] need help
In-Reply-To: <285564.51211.qm@web112117.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <285564.51211.qm@web112117.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <78b3a9581001091330s6149634cif193ab7241c3176c@mail.gmail.com>

not really hijacking this thread, but is there no py3k package
available yet? IOW, you can't run "sudo yum install python3"?

just curious,
-wesley


On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 12:32 PM, ovi chitayat <ovikanobi at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I am trying to install Python on my private Linux machine.
> Below is the build result:
> =================================================
> [root at centos48_1 Python-3.1.1]# make
> running build
> running build_ext
> building dbm using gdbm
> building '_tkinter' extension
> gcc -pthread -fPIC -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -g -fwrapv -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -DWITH_APPINIT=1 -I/usr/X11R6/include -I. -I./Include -I/usr/local/include -IInclude -I/root/Python-3.1.1 -c /root/Python-3.1.1/Modules/_tkinter.c -o build/temp.linux-i686-3.1/root/Python-3.1.1/Modules/_tkinter.o
> gcc -pthread -fPIC -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -g -fwrapv -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -DWITH_APPINIT=1 -I/usr/X11R6/include -I. -I./Include -I/usr/local/include -IInclude -I/root/Python-3.1.1 -c /root/Python-3.1.1/Modules/tkappinit.c -o build/temp.linux-i686-3.1/root/Python-3.1.1/Modules/tkappinit.o
> gcc -pthread -shared build/temp.linux-i686-3.1/root/Python-3.1.1/Modules/_tkinter.o build/temp.linux-i686-3.1/root/Python-3.1.1/Modules/tkappinit.o -L/usr/X11R6/lib64 -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/usr/local/lib -ltk8.5 -ltcl8.5 -lX11 -o build/lib.linux-i686-3.1/_tkinter.so
> *** WARNING: renaming "_tkinter" since importing it failed: libtk8.5.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
>
> Failed to build these modules:
> _tkinter
>
> running build_scripts
> ================================================================
> As you can see, I am running this as root. The Linux version is CentOS 4
> It complains about not being able to open libtk8.5
> I do not understand why that would be the case since this library does
> exist in /usr/local/lib that appear in the -L link search
> Below is the listing of the /usr/local/lib:
> =========================================================
> p[root at centos48_1 Python-3.1.1]# ls -l /usr/local/lib
> total 15156
> -rw-r--r-- ?1 root root 1551330 Dec 29 11:10 libsqlite3.a
> -rwxr-xr-x ?1 root root ? ? 818 Dec 29 11:10 libsqlite3.la
> lrwxrwxrwx ?1 root root ? ? ?19 Dec 29 11:10 libsqlite3.so -> libsqlite3.so.0.8.6
> lrwxrwxrwx ?1 root root ? ? ?19 Dec 29 11:10 libsqlite3.so.0 -> libsqlite3.so.0.8.6
> -rwxr-xr-x ?1 root root 1342442 Dec 29 11:10 libsqlite3.so.0.8.6
> -rwxr-xr-x ?1 root root 4035692 Dec 28 12:53 libtcl8.5.so
> -rw-r--r-- ?1 root root ? 71042 Dec 28 12:53 libtclstub8.5.a
> -rwxr-xr-x ?1 root root 8229606 Dec 28 16:04 libtk8.5.so
> -rw-r--r-- ?1 root root ?144516 Dec 28 16:04 libtkstub8.5.a
> drwxr-xr-x ?2 root root ? ?4096 Dec 29 11:10 pkgconfig
> drwxr-xr-x ?5 root root ? ?4096 Dec 28 12:53 tcl8
> drwxr-xr-x ?6 root root ? ?4096 Dec 28 12:53 tcl8.5
> -rw-r--r-- ?1 root root ? ?7916 Dec 28 12:53 tclConfig.sh
> drwxr-xr-x ?6 root root ? ?4096 Dec 28 16:04 tk8.5
> -rw-r--r-- ?1 root root ? ?4391 Dec 28 16:04 tkConfig.shath.

-- 
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001
"Python Fundamentals", Prentice Hall, (c)2009
    http://corepython.com

wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com
python training and technical consulting
cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
http://cyberwebconsulting.com

From simeonf at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 22:49:12 2010
From: simeonf at gmail.com (Simeon Franklin)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 13:49:12 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] need help
In-Reply-To: <78b3a9581001091330s6149634cif193ab7241c3176c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <285564.51211.qm@web112117.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<78b3a9581001091330s6149634cif193ab7241c3176c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e58a4bea1001091349g2a4cdfbdr7da45fc05dd376af@mail.gmail.com>

CentOS is *very* stable - I wouldn't expect Python 3 in supported repos for
a while. CentOS 5 (the current version) packages python2.4, CentOS 4
packages python2.3 IIRC.

-regards
Simeon Franklin

On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 1:30 PM, wesley chun <wescpy at gmail.com> wrote:

> not really hijacking this thread, but is there no py3k package
> available yet? IOW, you can't run "sudo yum install python3"?
>
> just curious,
> -wesley
>
>
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From rich at noir.com  Sat Jan  9 22:56:44 2010
From: rich at noir.com (K. Richard Pixley)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 13:56:44 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] need help
In-Reply-To: <e58a4bea1001091349g2a4cdfbdr7da45fc05dd376af@mail.gmail.com>
References: <285564.51211.qm@web112117.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<78b3a9581001091330s6149634cif193ab7241c3176c@mail.gmail.com>
	<e58a4bea1001091349g2a4cdfbdr7da45fc05dd376af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B48FB9C.1010605@noir.com>

Debian stable used to have that problem a lot.  The people who worked on 
debian tended to use the unstable releases so those, while being a tiny 
bit unstable, tended to be more current and much more popular while 
almost no one used debian stable.

That's a big part of the reason Ubuntu exists, to deliver more recent 
versions in stable integrations.  And I think we can all see how popular 
that has been.  (Ubuntu-9.10 includes an optional python-3.1).

--rich

Simeon Franklin wrote:
> CentOS is *very* stable - I wouldn't expect Python 3 in supported 
> repos for a while. CentOS 5 (the current version) packages python2.4, 
> CentOS 4 packages python2.3 IIRC.
>
> -regards
> Simeon Franklin
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 1:30 PM, wesley chun <wescpy at gmail.com 
> <mailto:wescpy at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     not really hijacking this thread, but is there no py3k package
>     available yet? IOW, you can't run "sudo yum install python3"?
>
>     just curious,
>     -wesley
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From emile at fenx.com  Sat Jan  9 22:58:32 2010
From: emile at fenx.com (Emile van Sebille)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 13:58:32 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Job: Equipment Support Tech
Message-ID: <4B48FC08.1070006@fenx.com>

Equipment Support Tech

I need someone that will take over responsibility for maintaining the 
equipment at my various customer sites.  You would become the third 
member of my small company and would coordinate closely with the two of 
us.  We do a lot with python, and although your skills with python are 
not the primary job function, there will be plenty of exposure to 
existing python glue that will need to be enhanced, maintained, or 
tweaked to keep systems up and running.  During quiet times when all 
systems are up and running you will likely be deploying python based 
tools to monitor systems' health proactively.

You will need to have your own reliable transportation.  I currently 
drive about 500 miles/week, and I expect you'll be doing about the same 
and sometimes much more.  Locations currently include Watsonville, San 
Jose, Mountain View, Fremont, Millbrae, Emeryville, San Ramon, 
Sacramento, Petaluma, Sonoma, Sacramento, Fresno, Riverside and 
Phoenix.  Each site consists minimally of a linux based firewall, main 
linux application server, and client PCs, typically running Windows, and 
printers shared to all.  Some sites have mulitple servers 
(web,email,pcbackup,fax,etc) and as many as 80 client PCs.

There's a large assortment of equipment (CNC, RF handhelds, label 
printers, timeclocks,etc) and technologies (30+ years of custom 
solutions) deployed as I'm essentially the contracted IT department for 
these companies.  You'll need to be sufficiently familiar and 
comfortable diagnosing and fixing problems with linux, windows, vmware, 
kvm, openvpn, iptables, cups, samba, laserjets, lineprinters, 
networking, cron and scheduled tasks, ssh, vnc, command line tools, 
bash, wsh, and more.  I once put a list together of 100 tech buzz words* 
that I deal with weekly, so there's plenty of opportunity to get 
involved with all sorts of things.

Your time will be re-billed, so diligent time keeping is required.  This 
is a long term position (3+ years anyway) that I'd like to fill before 
April and I expect to interview qualified prospects multiple times to 
confirm capability and compatibility. Compensation open and competitive 
based on experience.

Please email me off-list at job at salesinq.com if you're interested.  
Please ask relevant questions on-list so others can benefit from the 
responses.

Emile van Sebille
For this position please email job at salesinq.com


* Found the list:
activefax, apache, bash, bbx, bios, centOS, clam, CNC, courier, crontab, 
css, cups, df, dhcp, django, dns, dom, DPL, dtml, du, Excel, expect, 
ftp, gcode, ghostview, HPGL, html, IE, imap, ipadder, ipchains, 
iptables, javascript, kvm, ldap, lightning, links, lpd, mailman, 
mencoder, mnt, msched, msconfig, mysql, nat, nfs, nmap, OE, open office, 
osx, outlook, pcanywhere, perl, php, PIL, plone, pop, POST, postgresql, 
postscript, pro5, python, raid, rc.d, rdp, reportlab, redhat, rs232, 
rsync, samba, scp, sendmail, smtp, spamd, spybot, sql, squid, 
squidguard, squirrelmail, ssh, svn, tal, tales, tar, taskmgr, tcpdump, 
thunderbird, up2date, vi, vmware, vnc, webmin, wget, wiki, win2k, 
winpatrol, xpsp2, xxcopy, yum, zope, zwiki.


From bdbaddog at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 23:44:05 2010
From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 14:44:05 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] need help
In-Reply-To: <285564.51211.qm@web112117.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <285564.51211.qm@web112117.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8540148a1001091444r5da9822eob2ef384d1168d992@mail.gmail.com>

Ovi,

On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 12:32 PM, ovi chitayat <ovikanobi at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I am trying to install Python on my private Linux machine.
> Below is the build result:
> =================================================
> [root at centos48_1 Python-3.1.1]# make
> running build
> running build_ext
> building dbm using gdbm
> building '_tkinter' extension
> gcc -pthread -fPIC -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -g -fwrapv -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -DWITH_APPINIT=1 -I/usr/X11R6/include -I. -I./Include -I/usr/local/include -IInclude -I/root/Python-3.1.1 -c /root/Python-3.1.1/Modules/_tkinter.c -o build/temp.linux-i686-3.1/root/Python-3.1.1/Modules/_tkinter.o
> gcc -pthread -fPIC -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -g -fwrapv -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -DWITH_APPINIT=1 -I/usr/X11R6/include -I. -I./Include -I/usr/local/include -IInclude -I/root/Python-3.1.1 -c /root/Python-3.1.1/Modules/tkappinit.c -o build/temp.linux-i686-3.1/root/Python-3.1.1/Modules/tkappinit.o
> gcc -pthread -shared build/temp.linux-i686-3.1/root/Python-3.1.1/Modules/_tkinter.o build/temp.linux-i686-3.1/root/Python-3.1.1/Modules/tkappinit.o -L/usr/X11R6/lib64 -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/usr/local/lib -ltk8.5 -ltcl8.5 -lX11 -o build/lib.linux-i686-3.1/_tkinter.so
> *** WARNING: renaming "_tkinter" since importing it failed: libtk8.5.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
>
> Failed to build these modules:
> _tkinter
>
> running build_scripts
> ================================================================
> As you can see, I am running this as root. The Linux version is CentOS 4
> It complains about not being able to open libtk8.5
> I do not understand why that would be the case since this library does
> exist in /usr/local/lib that appear in the -L link search

Do you have the tk8.5-devel packages installed?
You may check the DAG and/or the EPEL repository (for centos4) and see
if they have packages for Python3.x.

http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL

These are two repositories I always add to my centos installs. (Well almost).

My bet though is that you don't have the -devel packages installed.
-Bill

> Please help
> Ovi
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>

From chris.leemesser at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 03:56:49 2010
From: chris.leemesser at gmail.com (Christopher Lee-Messer)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 18:56:49 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies Digest, Vol 51, Issue 10
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2973.1263074222.28904.baypiggies@python.org>
References: <mailman.2973.1263074222.28904.baypiggies@python.org>
Message-ID: <4cccdc8b1001091856q7c84d83cyb45ec185e47c894@mail.gmail.com>

>
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:32:34 -0800 (PST)
> From: ovi chitayat <ovikanobi at yahoo.com>
> To: baypiggies at python.org
> Subject: [Baypiggies] need help
> Message-ID: <285564.51211.qm at web112117.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hi,
> I am trying to install Python on my private Linux machine.
> Below is the build result:
>
[snip]

Often the library is installed, but not headers. try:

yum install tk-devel

you can also search for this, sometime like yum search tk-devel will show
you which package
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From ovikanobi at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 10 04:43:29 2010
From: ovikanobi at yahoo.com (ovi chitayat)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 19:43:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baypiggies] log on problem
Message-ID: <754672.19955.qm@web112110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

hi,
i am having troubles logging in.
Is the log on user name same as email address?



      

From bdbaddog at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 05:58:45 2010
From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 20:58:45 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] log on problem
In-Reply-To: <754672.19955.qm@web112110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <754672.19955.qm@web112110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8540148a1001092058r176d65aeh86d09f19187c7fad@mail.gmail.com>

Ovi

On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:43 PM, ovi chitayat <ovikanobi at yahoo.com> wrote:
> hi,
> i am having troubles logging in.
> Is the log on user name same as email address?

Logging on to what?
The website?
If so, you need to register on the website seperately from the mailing list.

-BIll

From ovikanobi at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 10 19:25:09 2010
From: ovikanobi at yahoo.com (ovi chitayat)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:25:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baypiggies] help
Message-ID: <630815.67097.qm@web112106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

How do I log on to http://www.baypiggies.net/index_html ?
Below the log on dialog box on the left, there is a 'here' link I used
to (apparently) just sign up for the mailing list. Apparently, the password/user name I setup there does not apply to this log on box...
Ovi 


      

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Mon Jan 11 05:31:55 2010
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:31:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Baypiggies] REMINDER: OSCON 2010: Call for Proposals
Message-ID: <20100111043155.24FD6302C2@mailbackend.panix.com>

Deadline: Feb 1, 2010

OSCON, the O'Reilly Open Source Convention
July 19 - 23, 2010
Oregon Convention Center
Portland, OR
http://post.oreilly.com/rd/9z1zg6ii2gsi1l6cshb1806k2apmotnacpkrk77ttgg

Faster, Freer, Smarter: Whatever your Goal, Make It Happen with Open Source

More than 2,500 experts, developers, sys admins, and hackers will meet up
at OSCON 2010 to explore the tools, services, and platforms that make up
the vibrant open source ecosystem. Join us!

The OSCON Call for Participation is now open. If you have winning
techniques, favorite lifesavers, war stories, productivity tips, or other
ideas to share, we want to hear from you. We're especially on the
look-out for ways to do more with less, design and usability best
practices, mobile device innovations, cloud computing, parallelization,
open standards and data, open source in government, business models, and
beyond.

Speak up about the freedom--and opportunity--of open source at OSCON
2010. Submit your proposal by February 1, 2010 at:
http://post.oreilly.com/rd/9z1zr5embktof4hi37tr30hm2qshjaug3mfrdjltsmg
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait
until you hire an amateur."  --Red Adair

From john_re at fastmail.us  Mon Jan 11 13:29:02 2010
From: john_re at fastmail.us (giovanni_re)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 04:29:02 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] TONIGHT Join 5-6P Mon 11th - 1st Evening Meeting test
 IRC & VOIP online Python at BerkeleyTIP-Global - for forwarding
Message-ID: <1263212942.6772.1354001243@webmail.messagingengine.com>

You're invited to the first test of the Global Python bimonthly evening
meetings at BerkeleyTIP-Global.  :)

Join in tonight, Monday Jan 11, 5-6P Pacific, 8-9P Eastern, = Tues Jan
12 1A-2A UTC.
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/schedule

On #berkeleytip on irc.freenode.net,
& on voip - whatever is working - try btip server first.
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/remote-attendance

This will be an online only meeting - no in person meeting at UCB.

Hot topics:  Community Leadership Summit review of interesting sessions,
Spring 2010 efforts for UCB & all UC's & all college activities,
Upcoming KDE conference end of next week, for 1 week, in Los Angeles.

What do _you_ want to discuss?

==
Some people have asked for an evening meeting, because: a) they can't
make weekend meetings, b) they want more BTIP-Global. ;)

So, this will be a test, everyone invited, to see if we can make this
work.

==  BerkeleyTIP-Global is the Global All Free SW HW & Culture meeting
online via VOIP.
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip/

Join the global mailing list, say "hi", & what you're interested in. :)
http://groups.google.com/group/BerkTIPGlobal

For Forwarding: You are invited to forward this announcement wherever it
might be appreciated.

From glen at glenjarvis.com  Mon Jan 11 23:37:45 2010
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:37:45 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] My search engine for Python source code
In-Reply-To: <993398.94116.qm@web45016.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <993398.94116.qm@web45016.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d1de3b721001111437h4310b087w644190c4ff534490@mail.gmail.com>

I just looked at this. I really like the idea that you do code suggestion.
For example, just to test, I typed: os.path.... and at this point, I saw
quite a few solutions to choose from.

The actual results, seem big on the page, however, compared to Google's code
search (I compared os.path.abspath on both):

http://www.google.com/codesearch

I've not really used either of these tools much (as I should) since I
usually just google the phrase I'm looking for generally and get to the
documentation. There are times I just want quick examples, so this can be
very helpful.

Either way, thank you for sharing your work.. And, again, the 'suggest' that
I get is a very nice touch if I don't remember exactly what I'm looking
for..

Cheers,


Glen


On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Purui Wang <puruiw at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I wrote a search engine for python source code. It helps you find samples
> from open source projects. It understands python syntax, and can find
> samples that other engines can't find.
> Please take a look and send me a feed back.
> http://nullege.com
>
> - Purui
>
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From puruiw at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 12 01:05:57 2010
From: puruiw at yahoo.com (Purui Wang)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:05:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baypiggies] My search engine for Python source code
In-Reply-To: <d1de3b721001111437h4310b087w644190c4ff534490@mail.gmail.com>
References: <993398.94116.qm@web45016.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<d1de3b721001111437h4310b087w644190c4ff534490@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <153896.87947.qm@web45014.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

The idea for this project is to find samples that google can't. I started this project after I spent a few days on looking for wxpython samples that no tutorial covers. I knew some other people must have done the thing I want. But I just couldn't find it.
Google code search use string match for code, which does not work well for OO languages. 'os.path.join' is a special case that string matching works. For many other cases, like '@'.join(...), or
f = wx.Frame(...)
f.SetFont(...)
The string matching way will fail, and google can't recognize this is a sample for wx.Frame.SetFont.
I wish my site can solve this problem.

- Purui



________________________________
From: Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com>
To: Purui Wang <puruiw at yahoo.com>
Cc: baypiggies at python.org
Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 2:37:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] My search engine for Python source code

I just looked at this. I really like the idea that you do code suggestion. For example, just to test, I typed: os.path.... and at this point, I saw quite a few solutions to choose from.

The actual results, seem big on the page, however, compared to Google's code search (I compared os.path.abspath on both):

http://www.google.com/codesearch

I've not really used either of these tools much (as I should) since I usually just google the phrase I'm looking for generally and get to the documentation. There are times I just want quick examples, so this can be very helpful.

Either way, thank you for sharing your work.. And, again, the 'suggest' that I get is a very nice touch if I don't remember exactly what I'm looking for..

Cheers,


Glen



On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Purui Wang <puruiw at yahoo.com> wrote:

I wrote a search engine for python source code. It helps you find samples from open source projects. It understands python syntax, and can find samples that other engines can't find.
>>Please take a look and send me a feed back.
>http://nullege.com
>
>- Purui
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From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 01:07:44 2010
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:07:44 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] FWD GUI designers for wxPython (and more)
Message-ID: <8249c4ac1001111607u5423fea5sd4b710aac1193cc5@mail.gmail.com>

During my presentation on wxPython in Dec, Dave Galibi (apologies if the
spelling is not correct) asked about the names of the commercial
GUI designers for wxPython I had mentioned in my slides.

I came across this link on StackOverflow and thought I would forward it to
Dave and others.
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/800849/nice-ide-for-wxpython-or-tkinter-gui-development

The Q&A talks about some pros & cons of severla GUI designers.
I'm neither recommending nor condemning any of the products. It's just a
reference to the names of the products and opinions by some people.
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Tue Jan 12 01:38:34 2010
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:38:34 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Job Fair for Geeks
Message-ID: <d1de3b721001111638r5a2b2438sc670d5ba22816bda@mail.gmail.com>

I admit that I only skimmed this. The only reason I'm forwarding it is
because I know several members of our community have been searching for work
and have commented on this.

It looks like there's a job fair:

10am-1pm: Hacker Dojo Job Fair @ The Hacker Dojo

Good luck everyone! I hope we all have the jobs of our dreams within the
year :)


Details follow:




Just like we did in 2009, the first SuperHappyDevHouse of 2010 is
going to be a blowout!

What can you look forward to? Check it:
* Tons of other creative and curious people like you
* A job fair at the Hacker Dojo before SHDH (details below)
* Sweet T-shirts designed by Rasteroids Design (rasteroids.com)
* A craft room
* A Microsoft Surface that you can load your code onto (details below)
* Someone on-site to help with Xbox game development (details below)
* Someone on-site to help you try out Azure
* Lightning Talks on a stage in an auditorium - it's time to show off
your cool hacks!
* A model living room where you can chill.
* Snacks and drinks all day.
* Beer and wine (Opt-in. You'll need to bring your ID and get a wristband)
* Dinner: Three types of sliders as well as vegan options (all the
more reason to RSVP!)
* Ben & Jerry's Sundae Bar

What can you bring?
* You, your laptop and your ideas
* Toys and gadgets, crafts and projects, books and manuals
* Your friends!

Here's the basic schedule:
10am-1pm: Hacker Dojo Job Fair @ The Hacker Dojo
1pm-6pm : Hacking + partying
6pm-7:30pm: Dinner (http://bit.ly/11ZYZ7)
8pm-9pm: Lightning Talks,
9pm-1am: Hacking + partying

Want to give a 5 minute Lightning Talk? Start here:
http://superhappydevhouse.org/LightningTalks

Post your name and plans for others to see on the wiki:
http://superhappydevhouse.org/SuperHappyDevHouse36
RSVP @ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=401533520044
RSVP @ Upcoming: http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/5035306

SuperHappyDevHouse is better with friends, and although we have lots
of friends for you to meet when you come, we encourage you to invite
your friends! People tell us all the time how great SHDH is, and how
much happier/smarter/sexier they are after starting to attend.
Wouldn't you like to be the one to introduce your friends to DevHouse?
They'll be like, "Oh my gosh, if it weren't for YOUR NAME HERE, I
wouldn't have been exposed to such an amazing life changing
experience. I'm going to remember YOUR NAME HERE when I'm rich and
famous from all the connections, knowledge and inspiration I found at
SuperHappyDevHouse!"

Want to know more? http://superhappydevhouse.org/HowToInviteFriends


We look forward to hacking with you!
DevHouse Crew

[ P.S. ]

Here are the details for some of the things you can look forward to at SHDH
36:


[ Hacker Dojo Job Fair ]

Are you looking for a job? We want to help you find work. Get up a
little earlier and go to the Hacker Dojo before SHDH 36!

The Hacker Dojo is putting on a "Hacker Fair", where the job seekers
are the ones giving demonstrations, and the recruiters are the ones
walking around. Recruiters will be present from over 40 local
companies.

Sound interesting?
Read the TechCrunch article:
http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/01/06/hacker-fair/
Or sign up here: http://hackerdojo.pbworks.com/Hacker-Dojo-Job-Fair


[ Microsoft Surface ]

Are you interested trying out some of your own code on a Surface?
We're going to have one at SHDH 36 for you to do so!
Here are some links so you can get started now:
* SDK:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&FamilyID=3db8987b-47c8-46ca-aafb-9c3b36f43bcc
* Resources: http://www.microsoft.com/surface/Pages/Technical/Learn.aspx


[ Xbox game development ]

Are you interested in developing a game for the Xbox?
We are going to have 3 Xboxes available at SHDH 36 for doing
development. Come to SHDH with the following:
* Graphics and and idea for your game, so you can focus on coding at SHDH.
* XNA Game Studio 3.1
* Visual Studio 2008, if you have it
* If you don't have Visual Studio 2008, You can use Visual C# 2008
Express Edition

XNA Game Studio and Visual Studio C# 2008 can be downloaded for free
here: http://creators.xna.com/


[ P.P.S. ]

Our hosts have patched their systems to ignore unauthorized
regeneration commands from Soong-type androids. Thank you for your
concern.
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From slander at unworkable.org  Tue Jan 12 02:06:48 2010
From: slander at unworkable.org (Harry Tormey)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:06:48 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Reminder PyGameSF meetup Tuesday January 12th 6pm @
 Stong Main San Francisco Public Library
Message-ID: <20100112010648.GB20728@unworkable.org>

Hi All,
Just a reminder that the January PyGameSF meet up will be on tomorrow at the STONG conference 
room on the first floor of the main San Francisco public library beside civic center BART. 
The library closes at 8pm so we will reconvene to frjtz on hayes street for dinner/drinks 
afterwords. This months presentations are:

-Tim Thompson: the NthControl. For musical and visual performers, new
touchscreen netbooks (Asus T91MT) and USB-connected touchscreens (Mimo 720-S)
can augment the ubiquitous slider/knob/button box by providing a completely
software-driven interface that avoids the bulk and distraction of a laptop interface.
Tim has been experimenting in this area and will share his experience so far,
including a demonstration of a python-based display/controller (NthControl) he
is developing for upcoming musical/visual performances.

-Casey Duncan: Grease. Introducing Grease, a new open-source game engine
for developing 2D games in Python. Grease is an component-based entity system
with support for data-driven game development. Grease is designed from the
ground-up for simplicity, rapid development and high-performance. It is intended
to be fully interoperable with both pygame and pyglet, providing pluggable services
for sprite and vector rendering, post-processing effects, physics, particle effects,
event-driven logic scripting and eventually network support. Grease is in the early
stages of development, Casey hopes to get input on the design and architecture, as
well as encourage folks to contribute so they can use it for their own projects.

PyGame SF is an informal group meet up in San Francisco for Software
engineers interested in python, OpenGL, audio, pygame, SDL,
programming and generally anything to do with multimedia development.
The format of our meetings typically involve several people giving
presentations on projects they are developing followed by group
discussion and feedback.

If anyone else would like to give a micro presentation, show demos or
just talk about what they are doing or generally give examples of any
relevant software they are working on please feel free to head along
              
To subscribe to the pygamesf mailing list simply email            
pygame-sf+subscribe at unworkable.org


From laban.patrick at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 04:04:59 2010
From: laban.patrick at gmail.com (Patrick Laban)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:04:59 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Job Fair for Geeks
In-Reply-To: <d1de3b721001111638r5a2b2438sc670d5ba22816bda@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d1de3b721001111638r5a2b2438sc670d5ba22816bda@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5ee958ff1001111904n6489570dj708d2428fc5a695@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Glen for posting.  There is also a more formal tech job fair on the
14th. http://www.targetedjobfairs.com/tjf/events/detail.jsp?eventid=3267
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From chris.leemesser at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 18:34:56 2010
From: chris.leemesser at gmail.com (Chris Lee-Messer)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:34:56 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] anyone tried moksha?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.55.1263294003.17656.baypiggies@python.org>
References: <mailman.55.1263294003.17656.baypiggies@python.org>
Message-ID: <288319CB-697C-420D-BBEC-D923A17D6ACB@gmail.com>

I use django on a regular basis, but I try to watch for what else is  
going on In other frameworks.  I was wondering if anyone has worked  
with Moksha. it is built in pylons/turbo gears2 and looks like a slick  
platform to do comet-style apps.

https://fedorahosted.org/moksha/

It might make an interesting baypiggies presentation topic as well.

-chris
>

From brianz at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 20:47:06 2010
From: brianz at gmail.com (Brian Zambrano)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:47:06 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Job opportunities at Eventbrite
Message-ID: <5db256251001121147t1fdfb1bav7f6df4962d857b17@mail.gmail.com>

I started working at Eventbrite about two months ago.  We're actively
looking for a good front end engineer:

http://bit.ly/73yPRW

Also, while not advertised, we'd be interested in talking to *experienced*
Python developers who have done web development before.  The short list of
skills we need for that positions are:

- Django
- MySQL
- *nix
- All that other typical web stuff

Feel free to forward this on and/or email me directly at
brianz at eventbrite.com.

BZ
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From kacey at tokbox.com  Tue Jan 12 20:51:10 2010
From: kacey at tokbox.com (Kacey Aumack)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:51:10 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Job opportunities at Eventbrite
In-Reply-To: <5db256251001121147t1fdfb1bav7f6df4962d857b17@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5db256251001121147t1fdfb1bav7f6df4962d857b17@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6B11F25B-60C6-44A7-AB97-363C3172B3F7@tokbox.com>

Hello all

We are also looking for a senior front-end (Flex) engineer to join us  
here at TokBox.

Have a great day!

Kacey
kacey at tokbox.com

On Jan 12, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Brian Zambrano wrote:

> I started working at Eventbrite about two months ago.  We're  
> actively looking for a good front end engineer:
>
> http://bit.ly/73yPRW
>
> Also, while not advertised, we'd be interested in talking to  
> *experienced* Python developers who have done web development  
> before.  The short list of skills we need for that positions are:
>
> - Django
> - MySQL
> - *nix
> - All that other typical web stuff
>
> Feel free to forward this on and/or email me directly at brianz at eventbrite.com 
> .
>
> BZ
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Tue Jan 12 21:04:52 2010
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:04:52 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Wanted: Python developer @ Egnyte
Message-ID: <20100112200452.GA6094@panix.com>

This time I'm just copying our standard job ad, feel free to ask me for
details, but please send your resume to jobs at egnyte.com:

Python Engineer
-------------------------
Egnyte, the leader in on-demand file server solutions for small
businesses and professionals, is seeking a Python Engineer to work on an
exciting new product extension. This is a perfect opportunity to
participate in the cloud computing revolution in a well funded, rapidly
expanding company.

We use python extensively on the server and client side. With increasing
demand for our solution, we have embarked on an aggressive product
development road map and Python plays a critical part in that plan.

Responsibilities:
This person will be responsible for developing and enhancing a new
product that requires knowledge in Python and Linux areas. If you are
strong on Python and not so strong on Linux, that may still work.

Must Have:
- Strong computer science fundamentals: data structures, algorithms,
concurrency management
- 2+ years Python experience is a must, experience in Java a plus
- Experience with JSON/XML is a plus
- Experience in packaging Linux application is a plus
- Strong implementation and release practices

Egnyte is conveniently located just off Hwy. 101 in Mountain View and
offers competitive salary and benefits.  For more info about our
products, see
http://www.egnyte.com/
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait
until you hire an amateur."  --Red Adair

From laban.patrick at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 21:07:36 2010
From: laban.patrick at gmail.com (Patrick Laban)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:07:36 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Job opportunities at Eventbrite
In-Reply-To: <6B11F25B-60C6-44A7-AB97-363C3172B3F7@tokbox.com>
References: <5db256251001121147t1fdfb1bav7f6df4962d857b17@mail.gmail.com> 
	<6B11F25B-60C6-44A7-AB97-363C3172B3F7@tokbox.com>
Message-ID: <5ee958ff1001121207p4620ef22q393a7987b27a96bb@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Brian and Kacey,

Do either of your companies currently have interships available for new
graduates?

Regards,
Patrick Laban
803-727-4756

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Kacey Aumack <kacey at tokbox.com> wrote:

> Hello all
>
> We are also looking for a senior front-end (Flex) engineer to join us here
> at TokBox.
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Kacey
> kacey at tokbox.com
>
> On Jan 12, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Brian Zambrano wrote:
>
> I started working at Eventbrite about two months ago.  We're actively
> looking for a good front end engineer:
>
> http://bit.ly/73yPRW
>
> Also, while not advertised, we'd be interested in talking to *experienced*
> Python developers who have done web development before.  The short list of
> skills we need for that positions are:
>
> - Django
> - MySQL
> - *nix
> - All that other typical web stuff
>
> Feel free to forward this on and/or email me directly at
> brianz at eventbrite.com.
>
> BZ
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From simeonf at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 21:10:59 2010
From: simeonf at gmail.com (Simeon Franklin)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:10:59 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Job opportunities at Eventbrite
In-Reply-To: <6B11F25B-60C6-44A7-AB97-363C3172B3F7@tokbox.com>
References: <5db256251001121147t1fdfb1bav7f6df4962d857b17@mail.gmail.com>
	<6B11F25B-60C6-44A7-AB97-363C3172B3F7@tokbox.com>
Message-ID: <e58a4bea1001121210l3ad612b6y29609458be94f20c@mail.gmail.com>

Kacey -

Please see the jobs policy at
http://www.baypiggies.net/index_html/job-listings before posting job
announcements to the list.

This list is for python-related news so point number four "Please make clear
how Python will be used on the job" is pretty strictly followed.

-regards
Simeon Franklin

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Kacey Aumack <kacey at tokbox.com> wrote:

> Hello all
>
> We are also looking for a senior front-end (Flex) engineer to join us here
> at TokBox.
>
> Have a great day!
>
> Kacey
> kacey at tokbox.com
>
> On Jan 12, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Brian Zambrano wrote:
>
>
>
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From brianz at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 21:30:25 2010
From: brianz at gmail.com (Brian Zambrano)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:30:25 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Job opportunities at Eventbrite
In-Reply-To: <5ee958ff1001121207p4620ef22q393a7987b27a96bb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5db256251001121147t1fdfb1bav7f6df4962d857b17@mail.gmail.com>
	<6B11F25B-60C6-44A7-AB97-363C3172B3F7@tokbox.com>
	<5ee958ff1001121207p4620ef22q393a7987b27a96bb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5db256251001121230w5ed100c6i26e25c8189c95a54@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Patrick,

Thanks for reminding me....we are, indeed, interested in interns.  I know
we'd love to have one here on our dev team.

Just scroll to the bottom of the jobs page and have a look.  The description
is very vague, but send me your resume if you think you'd fit in with the
skill set I listed below.  Obviously, requirements for an intern wouldn't be
as strict as those for a full-time position.

BZ

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Patrick Laban <laban.patrick at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello Brian and Kacey,
>
> Do either of your companies currently have interships available for new
> graduates?
>
> Regards,
> Patrick Laban
> 803-727-4756
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Kacey Aumack <kacey at tokbox.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello all
>>
>> We are also looking for a senior front-end (Flex) engineer to join us here
>> at TokBox.
>>
>> Have a great day!
>>
>> Kacey
>> kacey at tokbox.com
>>
>> On Jan 12, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Brian Zambrano wrote:
>>
>> I started working at Eventbrite about two months ago.  We're actively
>> looking for a good front end engineer:
>>
>> http://bit.ly/73yPRW
>>
>> Also, while not advertised, we'd be interested in talking to *experienced*
>> Python developers who have done web development before.  The short list of
>> skills we need for that positions are:
>>
>> - Django
>> - MySQL
>> - *nix
>> - All that other typical web stuff
>>
>> Feel free to forward this on and/or email me directly at
>> brianz at eventbrite.com.
>>
>> BZ
>> _______________________________________________
>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> Baypiggies at python.org
>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
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From meenalpant at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 20:46:19 2010
From: meenalpant at gmail.com (Meenal Pant)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:46:19 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Template language for django
Message-ID: <b5cbfd41001131146h5a8dd941q7d0c3886f1ffc6e2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi friends,
So far I have worked with django templates and the built in template engine.
In a new project I am required to build a very dynamic frontend with a
lot of ajax features.
I am looking for suggestions from this excellent group for alternatives.
So far I am thinking Django template engine (simply because I am more
familiar with it) + Jquery for ajax effects + CSS.
Thanks and Happy New Year !
Meenal


-- 
Sent from my mobile device

From spmcinerney at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 14 00:15:27 2010
From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen McInerney)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:15:27 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] My search engine for Python source code
In-Reply-To: <153896.87947.qm@web45014.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <993398.94116.qm@web45016.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>,
	<d1de3b721001111437h4310b087w644190c4ff534490@mail.gmail.com>,
	<153896.87947.qm@web45014.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY111-W30955CE5EAFF655B3FB38CA06B0@phx.gbl>


It's pretty impressive. Coupla comments:

- it fails on "A*" (as in A* search algorithm) or "A\*". It would be awesome if you could handle that. In fact, you might like to post whatever regex syntax it takes. It seems that '*' matches '.', so if you type 'a*n' you get a bunch of near-random results.

- it fails on '@' (the decorator symbol)

- there's no 'summary'/'long' mode to just see the matches (without details) for searches which return a ton of results e.g. 'numpy.*e'

- I don't see anywhere for people to submit their URLs to you for indexing

Best,
Stephen

Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:05:57 -0800
From: puruiw at yahoo.com
To: glen at glenjarvis.com
CC: baypiggies at python.org
Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] My search engine for Python source code



The idea for this project is to find samples that google can't. I started this project after I spent a few days on looking for wxpython samples that no tutorial covers. I knew some other people must have done the thing I want. But I just couldn't find it.Google code search use string match for code, which does not work well for OO languages. 'os.path.join' is a special case that string matching works. For many other cases, like '@'.join(...), orf = wx.Frame(...)f.SetFont(...)The string matching way will fail, and google can't recognize this is a sample for wx.Frame.SetFont.I wish my site can solve this problem.
- Purui
From: Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com>
To: Purui Wang <puruiw at yahoo.com>
Cc: baypiggies at python.org
Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 2:37:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] My search engine for Python source code


I just looked at this. I really like the idea that you do code suggestion. For example, just to test, I typed: os.path.... and at this point, I saw quite a few solutions to choose from.
The actual results, seem big on the page, however, compared to Google's code search (I compared os.path.abspath on both):

http://www.google.com/codesearch
I've not really used either of these tools much (as I should) since I usually just google the phrase I'm looking for generally and get to the documentation. There are times I just want quick examples, so this can be very helpful.

Either way, thank you for sharing your work.. And, again, the 'suggest' that I get is a very nice touch if I don't remember exactly what I'm looking for..
Cheers,


Glen

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Purui Wang <puruiw at yahoo.com> wrote:

I wrote a search engine for python source code. It helps you find samples from open source projects. It understands python syntax, and can find samples that other engines can't find.

Please take a look and send me a feed back.
http://nullege.com

- Purui




 		 	   		  
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From kbighorse at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 23:11:38 2010
From: kbighorse at gmail.com (Kimball)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:11:38 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Newbie: Deployment tools?
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Simeon and Harish,

Thank you for the kind tips.  I did end up hitting a problem using public
key authentication to my remote host, specifically a Paramiko SSHException,
and couldn't find any help online.  Nothing tricky or fancy, just a
public/private key pair from keygen.  If you care to comment, I'd be
grateful, but I'll just hold off for now otherwise.

Gratefully,

Kimball

ps-
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2045880/invalid-key-error-from-paramiko

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 12:22 AM, Harish Mallipeddi <
harish.mallipeddi at gmail.com> wrote:

> +1  Fabric - fabric is very minimal and doesn't get in your way. And the
> most important thing to remember is it's just plain old python code (not
> some fancy DSL).
>
> -- Harish
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 6:10 AM, Simeon Franklin <simeonf at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Fabric is the more capistrano-ish tool if all your looking for is
>> scriptable deployment. Buildout does more but it seems more "magic" to me
>> and imposes a bit of structure on your project. Fabric on the other hand is
>> pretty much just a quick way of creating command line tools that do 3 common
>> deployment tasks: run local commands, use ssh to move files, and run remote
>> commands on the deployment target. I found fabric much easier to wrap my
>> head around and it satisfied my (limited) deployment needs. YMMV!
>>
>> -regards
>> Simeon Franklin
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Kimball Bighorse <kbighorse at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Working on a Twisted Web app coming from a Java/Ruby background, used to
>>> Capistrano for Rails deployment.  Looking at zc.buildout and fabric for
>>> deployment, any opinions or other options for me to investigate?
>>>
>>> Gratefully,
>>>
>>> Kimball
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From simeonf at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 08:57:08 2010
From: simeonf at gmail.com (Simeon Franklin)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:57:08 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Newbie: Deployment tools?
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On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Kimball <kbighorse at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you for the kind tips.  I did end up hitting a problem using public
> key authentication to my remote host, specifically a Paramiko SSHException,
> and couldn't find any help online.  Nothing tricky or fancy, just a
> public/private key pair from keygen.  If you care to comment, I'd be
> grateful, but I'll just hold off for now otherwise.
>
> <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2045880/invalid-key-error-from-paramiko>
>
>
You could post a traceback on stackoverflow and maybe fill in the details of
your OS, python version, etc.

I hadn't been using passwordless ssh but I set it up on my ubuntu box and it
worked with the older version of Fabric I was using. I also made a
virtualenv with no site-packages and pip installed fabric 0.9 to make sure I
was using the latest and greatest and this also worked fine. I'm using
Ubuntu with Python 2.5 if that helps...

-regards
Simeon Franklin
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From puruiw at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 14 10:57:38 2010
From: puruiw at yahoo.com (Purui Wang)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 01:57:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baypiggies] My search engine for Python source code
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Thanks for feedback. I added your suggestions to my todo list.

BTW: Thanks everybody for feedbacks.
My little crawler is pulling source from pypi now. Result should come out next week. When it is stable enough (this will take some time), I'll open the door and let everybody submit projects you love.

- Purui



________________________________
From: Stephen McInerney <spmcinerney at hotmail.com>
To: puruiw at yahoo.com; glen at glenjarvis.com
Cc: baypiggies at python.org
Sent: Wed, January 13, 2010 3:15:27 PM
Subject: RE: [Baypiggies] My search engine for Python source code

 
It's pretty impressive. Coupla comments:

- it fails on "A*" (as in A* search algorithm) or "A\*". It would be awesome if you could handle that. In fact, you might like to post whatever regex syntax it takes. It seems that '*' matches '.', so if you type 'a*n' you get a bunch of near-random results.

- it fails on '@' (the decorator symbol)

- there's no 'summary'/'long' mode to just see the matches (without details) for searches which return a ton of results e.g. 'numpy.*e'

- I don't see anywhere for people to submit their URLs to you for indexing

Best,
Stephen

________________________________
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:05:57 -0800
From: puruiw at yahoo.com
To: glen at glenjarvis.com
CC: baypiggies at python.org
Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] My search engine for Python source code


The idea for this project is to find samples that google can't. I started this project after I spent a few days on looking for wxpython samples that no tutorial covers. I knew some other people must have done the thing I want. But I just couldn't find it.
Google code search use string match for code, which does not work well for OO languages. 'os.path.join' is a special case that string matching works. For many other cases, like '@'.join(...), or
f = wx.Frame(...)
f.SetFont(...)
The string matching way will fail, and google can't recognize this is a sample for wx.Frame.SetFont.
I wish my site can solve this problem.

- Purui



________________________________
From: Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com>
To: Purui Wang <puruiw at yahoo.com>
Cc: baypiggies at python.org
Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 2:37:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] My search engine for Python source code

I just looked at this. I really like the idea that you do code suggestion. For example, just to test, I typed: os.path.... and at this point, I saw quite a few solutions to choose from.

The actual results, seem big on the page, however, compared to Google's code search (I compared os.path.abspath on both):

http://www.google.com/codesearch

I've not really used either of these tools much (as I should) since I usually just google the phrase I'm looking for generally and get to the documentation. There are times I just want quick examples, so this can be very helpful.

Either way, thank you for sharing your work.. And, again, the 'suggest' that I get is a very nice touch if I don't remember exactly what I'm looking for..

Cheers,


Glen



On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Purui Wang <puruiw at yahoo.com> wrote:

I wrote a search engine for python source code. It helps you find samples from open source projects. It understands python syntax, and can find samples that other engines can't find.
>>Please take a look and send me a feed back.
>http://nullege.com
>
>- Purui
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From meenalpant at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 13:51:37 2010
From: meenalpant at gmail.com (Meenal Pant)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:51:37 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Django frontend alternatives
Message-ID: <b5cbfd41001140451q248859beq896183cb2ccf4b61@mail.gmail.com>

Hello friends,
I am sending this email again as the previous one got lost somewhere,
sorry for duplicates if anyone sees two of these :)

I am working on a new Django project with a heavy ajax frontend
alongwith graphs, buttons, forms etc.  I am wondering if anyone has
suggestions for alternative front end technologies tha Django Template
engine which are more suited for Ajax.

At this point I have thought of using Django Templates with Jquery for
Ajax and Blueprint CSS for style.

Thoughts, comments , suggestions are much appreciated,
Thanks
Meenal

From hasan.diwan at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 14:55:14 2010
From: hasan.diwan at gmail.com (Hasan Diwan)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 05:55:14 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] My search engine for Python source code
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2010/1/7 Purui Wang <puruiw at yahoo.com>:
> I wrote a search engine for python source code. It helps you find samples
> from open source projects. It understands python syntax, and can find
> samples that other engines can't find.

I don't see what this can do that koders.com can't. Although, I do
like this interface better (the highlighting is very useful).
Unfortunately, my job requires more than just python (and I have
neither the seniority or the requisite power to change this). Still, a
fine start and I look forward to what you come up with.

-- 
Sent from my mobile device
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From python at dylanreinhardt.com  Thu Jan 14 16:22:19 2010
From: python at dylanreinhardt.com (Dylan Reinhardt)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 07:22:19 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Django frontend alternatives
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It's tough to know how to answer this, as it isn't clear what problem you
anticipate having.

Jquery is not a required component of an AJAX system... Django can handle
AJAX just fine out of the box.  But lots of people *do* use jquery with
Django, so it shouldn't be difficult to find information on that.

Can jquery work for your situation?  Almost certainly.  Will it make your
site faster or make you a more productive programmer?  Maybe.  Without
knowing more about your project, it's difficult to say very much.

As for templates, Python is blessed with many fine templating systems.
 Whatever system fits your style best, I would guess someone has documented
how to integrate it with Django.

You haven't said what makes Django templates unsuited for your purposes, but
I use lots of AJAX and they work just fine for me.  Without knowing more
about the problems you're anticipating, it's tough to offer many specific
comments.

$.02,

Dylan




On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 4:51 AM, Meenal Pant <meenalpant at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello friends,
> I am sending this email again as the previous one got lost somewhere,
> sorry for duplicates if anyone sees two of these :)
>
> I am working on a new Django project with a heavy ajax frontend
> alongwith graphs, buttons, forms etc.  I am wondering if anyone has
> suggestions for alternative front end technologies tha Django Template
> engine which are more suited for Ajax.
>
> At this point I have thought of using Django Templates with Jquery for
> Ajax and Blueprint CSS for style.
>
> Thoughts, comments , suggestions are much appreciated,
> Thanks
> Meenal
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From rich at noir.com  Thu Jan 14 17:06:42 2010
From: rich at noir.com (K. Richard Pixley)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 08:06:42 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Django frontend alternatives
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References: <b5cbfd41001140451q248859beq896183cb2ccf4b61@mail.gmail.com>
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I researched toolkits and server side engines a few months back.  
Personally, I decided to go with something pylons based, but I don't 
think it really matters much at this point.  Server side problems are 
all pretty well solved for now and all of the modern ones seem 
comparably functional, (or comparably extensible).

The browser side toolkit is a different question.  Which one you chose 
will depend on what you need and how you want to use it.  I'm probably 
going with ext-js because I'm specifically looking for a strong grid 
widget, (user selectable columns, user sortable columns, user selectable 
column order), nothing else has a suitable grid widget, and the entire 
widget set looks good and seems pretty well integrated.  (I wrote here 
about comparisons a few months back.)

As far as I can tell, the only attempt to mix server side anything with 
browser code is TurboWidgets, but the documentation is so sparse that I 
couldn't see how to use it easily.  I suspect that this may be a 
superior approach and one that will be very hot very soon, but just now 
the barrier to entry seems exceedingly high, (and the mailing list isn't 
particularly supportive of newbies).

Without an actual server side/browser side integration, (like 
TurboWidgets), I don't think the template really matters.  You'll still 
be writing javascript separately and shipping it down to the browser 
more or less as opaque code from the point of view of the templating system.

Pyjamas merits special mention.  It's a different paradigm entirely.  In 
Pyjamas, you write browser code in python with ajax calls and it's 
compiled into javascript.  The down side is that the widget library for 
pyjamas is rudimentary, (no grid widget, no complex widgets).

--rich

From aleax at google.com  Thu Jan 14 19:46:21 2010
From: aleax at google.com (Alex Martelli)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:46:21 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Django frontend alternatives
In-Reply-To: <4B4F4112.3050405@noir.com>
References: <b5cbfd41001140451q248859beq896183cb2ccf4b61@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B4F4112.3050405@noir.com>
Message-ID: <55dc209b1001141046g3979082ev5d3e5012fdd44a38@mail.gmail.com>

Take a look at dojango, http://code.google.com/p/dojango/ -- it helps
integrate Django with the Dojo javascript framework (not quite as
popular as JQuery, but not too far -- for a Pythonista, Dojo has the
advantage of being designed by Python enthusiasts, e.g. async
operations use Deferred objects that are closely modeled after Twisted
Python's own Deferreds, etc, etc).


Alex

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 8:06 AM, K. Richard Pixley <rich at noir.com> wrote:
> I researched toolkits and server side engines a few months back.
> ?Personally, I decided to go with something pylons based, but I don't think
> it really matters much at this point. ?Server side problems are all pretty
> well solved for now and all of the modern ones seem comparably functional,
> (or comparably extensible).
>
> The browser side toolkit is a different question. ?Which one you chose will
> depend on what you need and how you want to use it. ?I'm probably going with
> ext-js because I'm specifically looking for a strong grid widget, (user
> selectable columns, user sortable columns, user selectable column order),
> nothing else has a suitable grid widget, and the entire widget set looks
> good and seems pretty well integrated. ?(I wrote here about comparisons a
> few months back.)
>
> As far as I can tell, the only attempt to mix server side anything with
> browser code is TurboWidgets, but the documentation is so sparse that I
> couldn't see how to use it easily. ?I suspect that this may be a superior
> approach and one that will be very hot very soon, but just now the barrier
> to entry seems exceedingly high, (and the mailing list isn't particularly
> supportive of newbies).
>
> Without an actual server side/browser side integration, (like TurboWidgets),
> I don't think the template really matters. ?You'll still be writing
> javascript separately and shipping it down to the browser more or less as
> opaque code from the point of view of the templating system.
>
> Pyjamas merits special mention. ?It's a different paradigm entirely. ?In
> Pyjamas, you write browser code in python with ajax calls and it's compiled
> into javascript. ?The down side is that the widget library for pyjamas is
> rudimentary, (no grid widget, no complex widgets).
>
> --rich
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
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From rich at noir.com  Thu Jan 14 20:09:54 2010
From: rich at noir.com (K. Richard Pixley)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:09:54 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Django frontend alternatives
In-Reply-To: <55dc209b1001141046g3979082ev5d3e5012fdd44a38@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b5cbfd41001140451q248859beq896183cb2ccf4b61@mail.gmail.com>	
	<4B4F4112.3050405@noir.com>
	<55dc209b1001141046g3979082ev5d3e5012fdd44a38@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B4F6C02.9010900@noir.com>

Alex Martelli wrote:
> Take a look at dojango, http://code.google.com/p/dojango/ -- it helps
> integrate Django with the Dojo javascript framework (not quite as
> popular as JQuery, but not too far -- for a Pythonista, Dojo has the
> advantage of being designed by Python enthusiasts, e.g. async
> operations use Deferred objects that are closely modeled after Twisted
> Python's own Deferreds, etc, etc).
Dojo is also completely free software, which is a big win imo.

--rich

From puruiw at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 14 20:21:58 2010
From: puruiw at yahoo.com (Purui Wang)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:21:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baypiggies] My search engine for Python source code
In-Reply-To: <2cda2fc91001140555p7d9760acpd9c4da01d54c0a0f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <993398.94116.qm@web45016.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <102879.19652.qm@web45003.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Try a few search and you will find the difference:
str.upper
zipfile.zipfile.extract
wx.Frame.Bind

Maybe someone knows django can find a better demo case?

- Purui


________________________________
From: Hasan Diwan <hasan.diwan at gmail.com>
To: baypiggies at python.org
Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 5:55:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] My search engine for Python source code

2010/1/7 Purui Wang <puruiw at yahoo.com>:
> I wrote a search engine for python source code. It helps you find samples
> from open source projects. It understands python syntax, and can find
> samples that other engines can't find.

I don't see what this can do that koders.com can't. Although, I do
like this interface better (the highlighting is very useful).
Unfortunately, my job requires more than just python (and I have
neither the seniority or the requisite power to change this). Still, a
fine start and I look forward to what you come up with.

-- 
Sent from my mobile device
Envoyait de mon telephone mobil
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From aleax at google.com  Thu Jan 14 23:04:41 2010
From: aleax at google.com (Alex Martelli)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:04:41 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Django frontend alternatives
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On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:09 AM, K. Richard Pixley <rich at noir.com> wrote:
> Alex Martelli wrote:
>>
>> Take a look at dojango, http://code.google.com/p/dojango/ -- it helps
>> integrate Django with the Dojo javascript framework (not quite as
>> popular as JQuery, but not too far -- for a Pythonista, Dojo has the
>> advantage of being designed by Python enthusiasts, e.g. async
>> operations use Deferred objects that are closely modeled after Twisted
>> Python's own Deferreds, etc, etc).
>
> Dojo is also completely free software, which is a big win imo.

Dojo can be used with AFL or BSD licenses at your choice; jQuery, with
MIT or GPL licenses at your choice; Google's Closure Library, with
Apache 2.0 license (Google's Closure Compiler, Closure Templates and
Closure Inspector are also all Apache 2.0-licensed). So I'd say all of
these Javascript frameworks are "completely free software" (so is
dojango -- "New BSD" license, like Django), unless your definition of
"completely free" is somewhat peculiar.


Alex

From simeonf at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 23:56:42 2010
From: simeonf at gmail.com (Simeon Franklin)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:56:42 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Django frontend alternatives
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	<4B4F6C02.9010900@noir.com>
	<55dc209b1001141404u3d5f36e5ya34b282ca5c7e548@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e58a4bea1001141456s50ac4b10g9b57fadb8903f2d8@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe Richard was referring to the Ext-JS toolkit he's using. It's had a
variety of licenses in the past - I think now it's dual-licensed commercial
and full GPL with a custom exception clause or something. A couple of years
ago when I was playing with different libraries (I was unhappy with
Scriptaculous so I tried out Mochikit, dojo, yui, Jquery, etc) Ext-JS had
really beautiful widgets and tons of turmoil in it's dev community due to
licensing issues - enough to keep me from investigating it further...

-regards
Simeon Franklin

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Alex Martelli <aleax at google.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:09 AM, K. Richard Pixley <rich at noir.com> wrote:
> > Alex Martelli wrote:
> >>
> >> Take a look at dojango, http://code.google.com/p/dojango/ -- it helps
> >> integrate Django with the Dojo javascript framework (not quite as
> >> popular as JQuery, but not too far -- for a Pythonista, Dojo has the
> >> advantage of being designed by Python enthusiasts, e.g. async
> >> operations use Deferred objects that are closely modeled after Twisted
> >> Python's own Deferreds, etc, etc).
> >
> > Dojo is also completely free software, which is a big win imo.
>
> Dojo can be used with AFL or BSD licenses at your choice; jQuery, with
> MIT or GPL licenses at your choice; Google's Closure Library, with
> Apache 2.0 license (Google's Closure Compiler, Closure Templates and
> Closure Inspector are also all Apache 2.0-licensed). So I'd say all of
> these Javascript frameworks are "completely free software" (so is
> dojango -- "New BSD" license, like Django), unless your definition of
> "completely free" is somewhat peculiar.
>
>
> Alex
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From kbighorse at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 05:42:32 2010
From: kbighorse at gmail.com (Kimball)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:42:32 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Newbie: Deployment tools?
In-Reply-To: <e58a4bea1001132357y47e6953cxa162f45638cffb70@mail.gmail.com>
References: <81689.68769.qm@web82308.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<e58a4bea1001071640v2a2009e3y7e6998dbeb005970@mail.gmail.com>
	<e01b80591001080022j64a82b7aud0343e1237455655@mail.gmail.com>
	<a050b8391001131411i29f0e80du1e0fb67647d4d571@mail.gmail.com>
	<e58a4bea1001132357y47e6953cxa162f45638cffb70@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a050b8391001142042r1a376ebehb4164b3e7d9d3ee2@mail.gmail.com>

I added a comment with a pastebin to stackoverflow, both copied below:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2045880/invalid-key-error-from-paramiko
http://pastebin.com/dd0987d

Actually tried to do it with password, but didn't find a flag to force
password-only, seems to always call load_system_host_keys().

Kimball
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From meenalpant at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 18:59:39 2010
From: meenalpant at gmail.com (Meenal Pant)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:59:39 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Django frontend alternatives
In-Reply-To: <e58a4bea1001141456s50ac4b10g9b57fadb8903f2d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b5cbfd41001140451q248859beq896183cb2ccf4b61@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B4F4112.3050405@noir.com>
	<55dc209b1001141046g3979082ev5d3e5012fdd44a38@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B4F6C02.9010900@noir.com>
	<55dc209b1001141404u3d5f36e5ya34b282ca5c7e548@mail.gmail.com>
	<e58a4bea1001141456s50ac4b10g9b57fadb8903f2d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b5cbfd41001150959g42b9b0d6y568be60609e5b090@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks everyone for the great suggestions. I am going to explore dojo
and dojango since it is most similar to python :)
Have a great weekend,
Meenal

On 1/14/10, Simeon Franklin <simeonf at gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe Richard was referring to the Ext-JS toolkit he's using. It's had a
> variety of licenses in the past - I think now it's dual-licensed commercial
> and full GPL with a custom exception clause or something. A couple of years
> ago when I was playing with different libraries (I was unhappy with
> Scriptaculous so I tried out Mochikit, dojo, yui, Jquery, etc) Ext-JS had
> really beautiful widgets and tons of turmoil in it's dev community due to
> licensing issues - enough to keep me from investigating it further...
>
> -regards
> Simeon Franklin
>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Alex Martelli <aleax at google.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:09 AM, K. Richard Pixley <rich at noir.com> wrote:
>> > Alex Martelli wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Take a look at dojango, http://code.google.com/p/dojango/ -- it helps
>> >> integrate Django with the Dojo javascript framework (not quite as
>> >> popular as JQuery, but not too far -- for a Pythonista, Dojo has the
>> >> advantage of being designed by Python enthusiasts, e.g. async
>> >> operations use Deferred objects that are closely modeled after Twisted
>> >> Python's own Deferreds, etc, etc).
>> >
>> > Dojo is also completely free software, which is a big win imo.
>>
>> Dojo can be used with AFL or BSD licenses at your choice; jQuery, with
>> MIT or GPL licenses at your choice; Google's Closure Library, with
>> Apache 2.0 license (Google's Closure Compiler, Closure Templates and
>> Closure Inspector are also all Apache 2.0-licensed). So I'd say all of
>> these Javascript frameworks are "completely free software" (so is
>> dojango -- "New BSD" license, like Django), unless your definition of
>> "completely free" is somewhat peculiar.
>>
>>
>> Alex
>> _______________________________________________
>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> Baypiggies at python.org
>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>>
>

-- 
Sent from my mobile device

From jeff.enderwick at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 21:08:27 2010
From: jeff.enderwick at gmail.com (Jeff Enderwick)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:08:27 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Favorite python encryption package?
Message-ID: <bb6059c01001151208w451d670eoe687c73cd35b248b@mail.gmail.com>

Hey All,

Does anyone have opinions about python crypto packages?

My requirements: 3DES or AES are fine, highest performance is not a big
deal, not having bugs *is* a big deal.
The stuff will run under CentOS, but with no encryption HW support. Even a
pure python implementation is probably okay.

Thanks,
Jeff
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From puruiw at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 15 21:23:14 2010
From: puruiw at yahoo.com (Purui Wang)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:23:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baypiggies] Favorite python encryption package?
Message-ID: <893396.16682.qm@web45003.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Have tryed Pycrypto?



On Jan 15, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Jeff Enderwick <jeff.enderwick at gmail.com> wrote:

Hey All,

Does anyone have opinions about python crypto packages?

My requirements: 3DES or AES are fine, highest performance is not a big deal, not having bugs *is* a big deal.
The stuff will run under CentOS, but with no encryption HW support. Even a pure python implementation is probably okay.

Thanks,
Jeff

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From Chris.Clark at ingres.com  Fri Jan 15 21:41:35 2010
From: Chris.Clark at ingres.com (Chris Clark)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:41:35 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Favorite python encryption package?
In-Reply-To: <893396.16682.qm@web45003.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <893396.16682.qm@web45003.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B50D2FF.9030107@ingres.com>

I can recommend PyCrypto (although I never build it, I use pre-built 
binaries), which has a wealth of ciphers.

I use a pure Python Blowfish implementation (that has a similar API) 
when I can't get prebuilt bins for my platform. If you want a copy of it 
see 
http://code.google.com/p/pytombo/source/browse/trunk/src/pytombo/blowfish.py 
NOTE I didn't write it. There are older (and alternative) versions 
around (just google for blowfish.py) but I know this one works and 
happens to be compatible with the canonical C versions (to the point 
where I've used this to read stuff encrypted with other peoples C/C++ 
based tools).

Chris

Purui Wang wrote:
> Have tryed Pycrypto?
>
>
>
> On Jan 15, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Jeff Enderwick <jeff.enderwick at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey All,
>
> Does anyone have opinions about python crypto packages?
>
> My requirements: 3DES or AES are fine, highest performance is not a big deal, not having bugs *is* a big deal.
> The stuff will run under CentOS, but with no encryption HW support. Even a pure python implementation is probably okay.
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff
>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
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From emile at fenx.com  Fri Jan 15 22:07:31 2010
From: emile at fenx.com (Emile van Sebille)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:07:31 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Job: Equipment Support Tech
In-Reply-To: <4B48FC08.1070006@fenx.com>
References: <4B48FC08.1070006@fenx.com>
Message-ID: <4B50D913.3080507@fenx.com>

Bump...

<Not a single follow-up at all!  Is everyone working?>

Emile

On 1/9/2010 1:58 PM Emile van Sebille said...
> Equipment Support Tech
>
> I need someone that will take over responsibility for maintaining the 
> equipment at my various customer sites.  You would become the third 
> member of my small company and would coordinate closely with the two 
> of us.  We do a lot with python, and although your skills with python 
> are not the primary job function, there will be plenty of exposure to 
> existing python glue that will need to be enhanced, maintained, or 
> tweaked to keep systems up and running.  During quiet times when all 
> systems are up and running you will likely be deploying python based 
> tools to monitor systems' health proactively.
>
> You will need to have your own reliable transportation.  I currently 
> drive about 500 miles/week, and I expect you'll be doing about the 
> same and sometimes much more.  Locations currently include 
> Watsonville, San Jose, Mountain View, Fremont, Millbrae, Emeryville, 
> San Ramon, Sacramento, Petaluma, Sonoma, Sacramento, Fresno, Riverside 
> and Phoenix.  Each site consists minimally of a linux based firewall, 
> main linux application server, and client PCs, typically running 
> Windows, and printers shared to all.  Some sites have mulitple servers 
> (web,email,pcbackup,fax,etc) and as many as 80 client PCs.
>
> There's a large assortment of equipment (CNC, RF handhelds, label 
> printers, timeclocks,etc) and technologies (30+ years of custom 
> solutions) deployed as I'm essentially the contracted IT department 
> for these companies.  You'll need to be sufficiently familiar and 
> comfortable diagnosing and fixing problems with linux, windows, 
> vmware, kvm, openvpn, iptables, cups, samba, laserjets, lineprinters, 
> networking, cron and scheduled tasks, ssh, vnc, command line tools, 
> bash, wsh, and more.  I once put a list together of 100 tech buzz 
> words* that I deal with weekly, so there's plenty of opportunity to 
> get involved with all sorts of things.
>
> Your time will be re-billed, so diligent time keeping is required.  
> This is a long term position (3+ years anyway) that I'd like to fill 
> before April and I expect to interview qualified prospects multiple 
> times to confirm capability and compatibility. Compensation open and 
> competitive based on experience.
>
> Please email me off-list at job at salesinq.com if you're interested.  
> Please ask relevant questions on-list so others can benefit from the 
> responses.
>
> Emile van Sebille
> For this position please email job at salesinq.com
>
>
> * Found the list:
> activefax, apache, bash, bbx, bios, centOS, clam, CNC, courier, 
> crontab, css, cups, df, dhcp, django, dns, dom, DPL, dtml, du, Excel, 
> expect, ftp, gcode, ghostview, HPGL, html, IE, imap, ipadder, 
> ipchains, iptables, javascript, kvm, ldap, lightning, links, lpd, 
> mailman, mencoder, mnt, msched, msconfig, mysql, nat, nfs, nmap, OE, 
> open office, osx, outlook, pcanywhere, perl, php, PIL, plone, pop, 
> POST, postgresql, postscript, pro5, python, raid, rc.d, rdp, 
> reportlab, redhat, rs232, rsync, samba, scp, sendmail, smtp, spamd, 
> spybot, sql, squid, squidguard, squirrelmail, ssh, svn, tal, tales, 
> tar, taskmgr, tcpdump, thunderbird, up2date, vi, vmware, vnc, webmin, 
> wget, wiki, win2k, winpatrol, xpsp2, xxcopy, yum, zope, zwiki.
>
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Fri Jan 15 22:29:53 2010
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 13:29:53 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Job: Equipment Support Tech
In-Reply-To: <4B50D913.3080507@fenx.com>
References: <4B48FC08.1070006@fenx.com> <4B50D913.3080507@fenx.com>
Message-ID: <20100115212953.GA15753@panix.com>

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010, Emile van Sebille wrote:
>
> Bump...
>
> <Not a single follow-up at all!  Is everyone working?>

Sure seems that way -- I haven't gotten many responses to my ad, either.

BTW, don't forget to use the Python Jobs Board.

Reminder: please post ads at most once per month
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait
until you hire an amateur."  --Red Adair

From annaraven at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 00:18:47 2010
From: annaraven at gmail.com (Anna Ravenscroft)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:18:47 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Fwd: [acm-members] FW: Python programmers for Haiti
	earthquake relief
In-Reply-To: <353642D3E51140658370D58FAB5257C9@stanford.edu>
References: <353642D3E51140658370D58FAB5257C9@stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <cb361a611001151518m7985425as5c780ef15b35e79b@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Gobaud <gobaudd at stanford.edu>
Date: Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:25 AM
Subject: [acm-members] FW: Python programmers for Haiti earthquake relief
To: acm-members at lists.stanford.edu





David Gobaud
(650) 353-1084

-----Original Message-----
From: all-cs106-staff-bounces at lists.stanford.edu
[mailto:all-cs106-staff-bounces at lists.stanford.edu] On Behalf Of Eric
Roberts
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:23 AM
To: sl-jobs at cs.stanford.edu
Cc: eroberts at Eeyore.Stanford.EDU
Subject: Python programmers for Haiti earthquake relief

Everyone,

I don't know anything specific about this project, but this note arrived in
my inbox this morning, and it seemed as if the cause would interest some of
you:

> This is an urgent call for experienced Python programmers to help in
> the Sahana Disaster Management System immediately - knowledge of
> Web2Py platform would be best. ?Please recruit any available
> programmers for the Haiti effort as quickly as possible and have them
> contact me immediately so that i can put them in touch with the
> correct people. ?Thank you kindly and I do hope that we can quickly
> identlfy some contributors for this monumental effort - They are
> needed ASAP.
>
> http://sahanapy.org/ is the developer site and the demo is
> http://demo.sahanapy.org/
>
> Please forward to others: Can we identify some student and or faculty
> programmers who could help and ask them if they are willing to do so
> to contact me straight away. ?Thank you -

> connie.m.white at gmail.com <mailto:connie.m.white at gmail.com>

-- Eric
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cordially,
Anna
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From drewp at bigasterisk.com  Sat Jan 16 21:00:53 2010
From: drewp at bigasterisk.com (Drew Perttula)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:00:53 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] anyone tried moksha?
In-Reply-To: <288319CB-697C-420D-BBEC-D923A17D6ACB@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.55.1263294003.17656.baypiggies@python.org>
	<288319CB-697C-420D-BBEC-D923A17D6ACB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B521AF5.7070601@bigasterisk.com>

On 01/12/2010 09:34 AM, Chris Lee-Messer wrote:
> I use django on a regular basis, but I try to watch for what else is
> going on In other frameworks. I was wondering if anyone has worked with
> Moksha. it is built in pylons/turbo gears2 and looks like a slick
> platform to do comet-style apps.
>
> https://fedorahosted.org/moksha/
>

I recently chose just orbited (with stompservice, stomp.js) for adding 
comet to my existing project. And I'm already writing half of this 
project with twisted/nevow, so that should tell you something about my 
eagerness to use nevow's comet system again. I used 
http://cometdaily.com/2008/10/10/scalable-real-time-web-architecture-part-2-a-live-graph-with-orbited-morbidq-and-jsio/ 
as my initial guide. So far it's been super, for my needs.

Moksha looks like a pretty big chunk of extra integration-- it's unclear 
whether one can use it to make anything that doesn't look just like 
their demos (in terms of functionality, of course the styles can be 
changed).

Stuff like this in the docs is a big turn off for me:

"Moksha also provides a simple yet powerful API for creating 
DataStreamers that can do basically anything at anytime."

I already had the ability to do anything at anytime before I bought into 
your framework!

From jeff.enderwick at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 22:25:13 2010
From: jeff.enderwick at gmail.com (Jeff Enderwick)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 13:25:13 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Favorite python encryption package?
In-Reply-To: <893396.16682.qm@web45003.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <893396.16682.qm@web45003.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bb6059c01001161325qb9f3a51i325d1aaa281e0464@mail.gmail.com>

thanks - that seems perfect for what I am doing!

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Purui Wang <puruiw at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Have tryed Pycrypto?
>
>
>
> On Jan 15, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Jeff Enderwick <jeff.enderwick at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hey All,
>
> Does anyone have opinions about python crypto packages?
>
> My requirements: 3DES or AES are fine, highest performance is not a big
> deal, not having bugs *is* a big deal.
> The stuff will run under CentOS, but with no encryption HW support. Even a
> pure python implementation is probably okay.
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff
>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
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From jim at well.com  Mon Jan 18 18:07:03 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:07:03 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] call for newbie nuggets
Message-ID: <1263834423.7544.151.camel@jim-laptop>



   volunteer to present a five to ten minute 
talk on some aspect of python programming 
that enlightens experienced coders who are 
relatively new to python. 
   develop your public-speaking skills. 
   present your shocking opinions or favorite 
techniques and agitate discussion. 
   step right up! 
jim 





From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Mon Jan 18 18:42:42 2010
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:42:42 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] call for newbie nuggets
In-Reply-To: <1263834423.7544.151.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <1263834423.7544.151.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <20100118174242.GA16860@panix.com>

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010, jim wrote:
> 
> volunteer to present a five to ten minute talk on some aspect of      
> python programming that enlightens experienced coders who are         
> relatively new to python.                                             

For which meeting?
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait
until you hire an amateur."  --Red Adair

From jeff at drinktomi.com  Tue Jan 19 01:20:33 2010
From: jeff at drinktomi.com (Jeff Younker)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:20:33 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Job contacts at Slide
Message-ID: <AF35BFB6-3DBF-4A27-B6B5-6D20810EE158@drinktomi.com>

I'm looking for work back into San Francisco, and it looks like Slide is hiring.   Does anyone happen to have contacts there that I can talk to?

- Jeff Younker - jeff at drinktomi.com -




From nagappan at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 05:59:41 2010
From: nagappan at gmail.com (Nagappan Alagappan)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:59:41 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Announce: Linux Desktop Testing Project (LDTP) 2.0.1
	released
Message-ID: <9d0602eb1001182059s591a737dvf2e57c3e4a351691@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

LDTPv2 a complete rewrite of LDTPv1 in Python. This release is dedicated to
Eitan Isaacson[1]. Eitan wrote the LDTPv2 framework and important API's in
LDTPv2 !

My co-workers in VMware Ranjith Murugan, Gaurav Sharma and Anupa Kamath, did
a wonderful job in verifying the compatibility of LDTPv1 and v2. Special
thanks to them and my manager Greg McShea on supporting this effort.

Special thanks to Ara Pulido[2] for tracking the LDTPv2 status and pushing
us to make the release at the earliest, as Ara wants to include LDTPv2 in
Ubuntu Lucid, before feature freeze.

Following are the difference between LDTPv1 and v2:

* getlabel function is deprecated - you can use getobjectproperty('winodw',
'objectname', 'label') # To verify the display text
* Label in v2 doesn't return the accelerator key (eg: in v1 "_Find" will be
returned on v2 just "Find" is returned)
* Strict data types are checked, in v1 most of the inputs are considered as
string, if not they will be converted to string, but on v2 exception will be
thrown, if incorrect type is passed to any function * In v1 we have ldtp
binary, on v2 we need to check ldtpd.sh for now, this doesn't return the
version for now, it has to be implemented, if you check for "ldtp --version"
in v1
* In v1 each action command was given 1 second sleep time internally before
execution, but on v2 there is no delay unless its set in environment
variable LDTP_COMMAND_DELAY. So, the script has to use appropriate wait time
* As Javier (from Ubuntu QA team) found, launchapp, argument name changed
from 'arg' to 'args'

Some of missing API in v2:

* Calendar object
* logFailures in v1 is not implemented in v2
* LDTP logging methods
* appundertest
* launchapp2
* blackoutregion
* label object
* panel object
* ProcessStatistics

LTFX is completely removed in LDTP v2 in favor of wnck implmentation

Download LDTPv2 source from
http://download.freedesktop.org/ldtp/2.x/2.0.x/ldtp2-2.0.1.tar.gz

New dependency:

python-twisted-web
python-pyatspi
python-gtk
python-gnome

Will schedule binary package building for different Linux distribution using
openSUSE Build Service -
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/anagappan:/ldtp2:/

Documentation references:

For detailed information on LDTP framework and latest updates visit
http://ldtp.freedesktop.org

For information on various APIs in LDTP including those added for this
release can be got from http://ldtp.freedesktop.org/user-doc/index.html

Report bugs - http://ldtp.freedesktop.org/wiki/Bugs

To subscribe to LDTP mailing lists, visit
http://ldtp.freedesktop.org/wiki/Mailing_20list

IRC Channel - #ldtp on irc.freenode.net

Thanks
Nagappan

[1] - http://monotonous.org/
[2] - http://ubuntutesting.wordpress.com/

-- 
Linux Desktop (GUI Application) Testing Project -
http://ldtp.freedesktop.org
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From niallo at unworkable.org  Wed Jan 20 21:01:07 2010
From: niallo at unworkable.org (Niall O'Higgins)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:01:07 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyWebSF #7 (01/21 - tomorrow) - Marius A Eriksen -
	GeoAPI.com
Message-ID: <20100120200107.GQ32186@unworkable.org>

Hi folks,

This month's Py Web SF meet is tomorrow, 01/21.  We have a great talk
lined up, so hope to see you there.

Who/What
--------

* Marius A. Eriksen - "GeoAPI.com"
  GeoAPI.com was recently purchased by Twitter, and Marius says he plans
  to go into deep technical detail about geo querying on big-table like
  data stores, so this should be an awesome talk!
  http://www.pywebsf.org/2010/01/07/marius-a-eriksen-geoapi-com/

When
----

6PM, Thursday 21 January 2010.
Please try to arrive on time to avoid disappointment.  We have space
for around 10-20 people.

Where
-----

Stong conference room, 1st floor, SF Main Public Library.
Map: http://tinyurl.com/pywebsfmap

The library is easily accessible via both BART and Muni at the Civic
Center station.  The library closes at 8pm so we will continue the
discussion over food/drinks at Frjtz Fries [http://www.frjtzfries.com].

More info
---------

Subscribe to our Google Calendar at http://tinyurl.com/pywebcal

Slides, links, and more at http://pywebsf.org/

Thanks!

-- 
Niall O'Higgins
PyWebSF
http://pywebsf.org
http://niallohiggins.com
http://twitter.com/niallohiggins

From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 06:37:28 2010
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:37:28 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] 2 Reviewers wanted for "Bioinformatics Programming
	Using Python"
Message-ID: <8249c4ac1001202137xe114cdew47262d01b38bd09c@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking for 2 people to read & review
Bioinformatics Programming Using Python
http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596154516/

Please reply off-list.


Thanks


Tony
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From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 16:17:07 2010
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:17:07 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] 2 Reviewers wanted for "Bioinformatics Programming
	Using Python"- no more replies needed.
Message-ID: <8249c4ac1001210717re00ce68m3a711c744c54984d@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to all who  replied, I have reviewers for this book.
No more replies are needed.


Tony

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Fri Jan 22 05:21:01 2010
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:21:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Baypiggies] REMINDER: OSCON 2010: Call for Proposals
Message-ID: <20100122042101.5E6972F9A3@mailbackend.panix.com>

Deadline: Feb 1, 2010

OSCON, the O'Reilly Open Source Convention
July 19 - 23, 2010
Oregon Convention Center
Portland, OR
http://post.oreilly.com/rd/9z1zg6ii2gsi1l6cshb1806k2apmotnacpkrk77ttgg

Faster, Freer, Smarter: Whatever your Goal, Make It Happen with Open Source

More than 2,500 experts, developers, sys admins, and hackers will meet up
at OSCON 2010 to explore the tools, services, and platforms that make up
the vibrant open source ecosystem. Join us!

The OSCON Call for Participation is now open. If you have winning
techniques, favorite lifesavers, war stories, productivity tips, or other
ideas to share, we want to hear from you. We're especially on the
look-out for ways to do more with less, design and usability best
practices, mobile device innovations, cloud computing, parallelization,
open standards and data, open source in government, business models, and
beyond.

Speak up about the freedom--and opportunity--of open source at OSCON
2010. Submit your proposal by February 1, 2010 at:
http://post.oreilly.com/rd/9z1zr5embktof4hi37tr30hm2qshjaug3mfrdjltsmg
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait
until you hire an amateur."  --Red Adair

From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 07:00:27 2010
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:00:27 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Sikuli Script - an visual scripting language for the
	Mac, based on 	Jython
Message-ID: <8249c4ac1001212200seea47f1xdc403b05cdb62542@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxDOlhysFcM

From luca.pellicoro at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 07:52:25 2010
From: luca.pellicoro at gmail.com (Luca Pellicoro)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 22:52:25 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Sikuli Script - an visual scripting language for
	the Mac, based on Jython
In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac1001212200seea47f1xdc403b05cdb62542@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8249c4ac1001212200seea47f1xdc403b05cdb62542@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b16f77671001212252u2b4b3f7dnef8256df24baf88f@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Tony Cappellini <cappy2112 at gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxDOlhysFcM

Very exciting, the potential for automated testing is enormous.

In the same vein as Autopy (http://github.com/msanders/autopy) also
python based and Eggplant
(http://www.testplant.com/products/eggplant_functional_tester/movie)

From wescpy at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 19:22:28 2010
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:22:28 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Fwd: New Meetup: The San Francisco Django January
	Meetup
In-Reply-To: <583820202.1263333658347.JavaMail.nobody@james1>
References: <583820202.1263333658347.JavaMail.nobody@james1>
Message-ID: <78b3a9581001221022q3bc4ef78pa40c5fc835bcf7e1@mail.gmail.com>

for those who can make it, come join us in the city at Google next
week for the SF Django Meetup! Django plus App Engine... what more
could you ask for? :-)

-- wesley
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001
"Python Fundamentals", Prentice Hall, (c)2009
    http://corepython.com

wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com
python training and technical consulting
cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
http://cyberwebconsulting.com



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Eric Florenzano <floguy at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:00 PM
Subject: [django-7] New Meetup: The San Francisco Django January Meetup
To: django-7-announce at meetup.com

Announcing a new Meetup for The San Francisco Django Meetup Group!

What: The San Francisco Django January Meetup

When: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 6:30 PM

Where:
Google San Francisco
345 Spear Street Duboce Triangle on 4th Floor
San Francisco, CA 94105
415-736-0000

We're back with the first Django meetup of the new year!

This month's meetup features Andy Smith (a.k.a. Termie) of Google, who
will be talking about using Django with Google App Engine, and the
efforts to provide proper non-relational database support to Django.
Having spearheaded the effort to port Jaiku to Google App Engine, he
brings years of practical experience to the discussion.

Pizza and Soda will be provided for free, sponsored by Google.

Note that this location is at Google SF, NOT at Six Apart as all of
the other meetups have been.

Learn more here:
http://www.meetup.com/The-San-Francisco-Django-Meetup-Group/calendar/12302008/

From donnamsnow at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 20:19:15 2010
From: donnamsnow at gmail.com (Donna Snow)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:19:15 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] [Training Reminder] Develop & Deploy: Django -
	February 1 - February 5 @TheHackerDojo
Message-ID: <baf0d46b1001221119l2ecb54e4wc87457d103efc125@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Just a reminder for those who may have been interested in attending the
Django training at the Hacker Dojo.

Asking price is $750.00 per seat to cover cost of flying Andy McKay in from
Canada and pay both Zain Memon and Andy for their time and hard work (oh +
breakfast and lunch each day)

If'n the above price is a bit steep (unemployed, underemployed or just plain
struggling) please let me know. I can work out an amicable price. At this
point I'm more interested in making this a nice solid class and making my
expenses for the session.

Here is info about the course:

http://www.c2etraining.com/?p=7

syllabus
www.c2etraining.com/django-training-syllabus.doc

http://c2etraining100201.eventbrite.com/

If you know of a company that uses Django extensively and would like to
sponsor/support this week long session please point them my way :-)

I will be recording the session and putting it online for those who work
full-time and can't be there in person. There will be a fee to view the
classes online.

Please contact me off list for more information

Donna 'SnowWrite' Snow
Owner, C2E Training
illuminating your path to Open Source
http://www.c2etraining.com (working on this site now)
Are you an expert in a popular Open Source technology? Would you like to
teach?
We provide offline and online teaching opportunities - email
info at c2etraining.com

Founder, GirlsLuvTech
facebook.com/girlsluvtech
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From jim at well.com  Sat Jan 23 17:13:23 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:13:23 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Motion | Andrew to speak on Scientific computing?
In-Reply-To: <D5C8F084-BDC3-48DC-8E02-D61892944C43@delsci.com>
References: <e5660d770910120909m3c3c92b0vdd098829ee395606@mail.gmail.com>
	<1255365249.6428.185.camel@jim-laptop>
	<5C34F748-7D96-42C0-916A-4748DC8363CA@dalkescientific.com>
	<1255375262.6350.9.camel@jim-laptop>
	<B109C1EA-865C-423A-94C2-A503068ECAE6@dalkescientific.com>
	<5066506580664DA7AD6270F029BE5C2E@delsci.local>
	<D5C8F084-BDC3-48DC-8E02-D61892944C43@delsci.com>
Message-ID: <1264263203.6506.34.camel@jim-laptop>


   pymol sounds great for baypiggies. we have a commitment 
for our january meeting: unladen swallow by collin winter 
and jeffrey yasskin. i've got feelers out to possible 
speakers for february and march, though nothing's 
committed for 2010 past january. (baypiggies meet on the 
fourth thursday of each month.) 
   are there some preferred months that'd be easier for 
you to present a talk on Scientific computing. 
hopefully, 
jim for baypiggies 
415 823 4590 my cellphone, call anytime 



On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 09:09 -0400, Warren DeLano wrote:
> Here! Schedule permitting, I'd be happy to give a baypiggies preso on  
> pymol, either together with Andrew or another time.
> 
> Cheers,
> Warren
> --
> Warren L. DeLano, Ph.D.
> warren at delsci.com
> 
> (Sent from an iPhone -- please forgive brevity and/or typos!)
> 
> On Oct 14, 2009, at 8:03 AM, "Shannon -jj Behrens" <jjinux at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
> 
> > I like the idea of this talk.  Remember, the author of PyMOL, Warren
> > DeLano, is not only local, he's a BayPiggie ;)
> >
> > -jj
> >
> > -- 
> > In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things
> > with great love. -- Mother Teresa
> > http://jjinux.blogspot.com/
> >
> >
> 


From Chris.Clark at ingres.com  Sat Jan 23 17:42:13 2010
From: Chris.Clark at ingres.com (Chris M. Clark)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 11:42:13 -0500
Subject: [Baypiggies] Motion | Andrew to speak on Scientific computing?
References: <e5660d770910120909m3c3c92b0vdd098829ee395606@mail.gmail.com><1255365249.6428.185.camel@jim-laptop><5C34F748-7D96-42C0-916A-4748DC8363CA@dalkescientific.com><1255375262.6350.9.camel@jim-laptop><B109C1EA-865C-423A-94C2-A503068ECAE6@dalkescientific.com><5066506580664DA7AD6270F029BE5C2E@delsci.local><D5C8F084-BDC3-48DC-8E02-D61892944C43@delsci.com>
	<1264263203.6506.34.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <ABB90CDC9A08FF49851AC42557795A18038A6743@USINVMAILB01.ingres.prv>

link from the pymol website;

http://www.wldmemorialfund.org/WLDMemorialFund/Home.html


-----Original Message-----
From: baypiggies-bounces+chris.clark=ingres.com at python.org on behalf of jim
Sent: Sat 1/23/2010 8:13 AM
To: Warren DeLano
Cc: Baypiggies
Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Motion | Andrew to speak on Scientific computing?
 

   pymol sounds great for baypiggies. we have a commitment 
for our january meeting: unladen swallow by collin winter 
and jeffrey yasskin. i've got feelers out to possible 
speakers for february and march, though nothing's 
committed for 2010 past january. (baypiggies meet on the 
fourth thursday of each month.) 
   are there some preferred months that'd be easier for 
you to present a talk on Scientific computing. 
hopefully, 
jim for baypiggies 
415 823 4590 my cellphone, call anytime 



On Wed, 2009-10-14 at 09:09 -0400, Warren DeLano wrote:
> Here! Schedule permitting, I'd be happy to give a baypiggies preso on  
> pymol, either together with Andrew or another time.
> 
> Cheers,
> Warren
> --
> Warren L. DeLano, Ph.D.
> warren at delsci.com
> 
> (Sent from an iPhone -- please forgive brevity and/or typos!)
> 
> On Oct 14, 2009, at 8:03 AM, "Shannon -jj Behrens" <jjinux at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
> 
> > I like the idea of this talk.  Remember, the author of PyMOL, Warren
> > DeLano, is not only local, he's a BayPiggie ;)
> >
> > -jj
> >
> > -- 
> > In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things
> > with great love. -- Mother Teresa
> > http://jjinux.blogspot.com/
> >
> >
> 

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From hassan.baig at alumni.duke.edu  Mon Jan 25 09:40:41 2010
From: hassan.baig at alumni.duke.edu (Hassan Baig)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:40:41 +0500
Subject: [Baypiggies] Help with Python/Django issue in FB app
Message-ID: <6fa835a81001250040u612390c9k30ff1daf87e3dc33@mail.gmail.com>

Dear BayPIGgies,

I was wondering if you could give me any pointers in this regard. I'm a
Facebook developer and I'm facing the following problem:

I have a flash file which calls up a url say http://test.com/createXML/ which
is caught and used up by a python/django code and it creates and redirects
to an XML. which is loaded by flash, to get values from the database.

The setup works fine when outside facebook, but as soon as I put the setup
in facebook, it stops loading the XML completely.  I am using Facebook's
crossdomain.xml.

Any clues?

-Hassan Baig
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From bdbaddog at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 22:11:47 2010
From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:11:47 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Is there an equivalent to perl -S for python?
Message-ID: <8540148a1001251311u2162f698g29d85d014582e401@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,

perl -S xyz.pl   will find the xyz.pl in the PATH and run it.
Is there an equivalent flag for python?
Or do I need to do:
x=`which xyz.py`
python $x

Thanks,
Bill
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From max at theslimmers.net  Mon Jan 25 22:12:33 2010
From: max at theslimmers.net (Max Slimmer)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:12:33 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] What is happening here with true/false comparisons
Message-ID: <bc5154611001251312v4caad40j52155f1cb0bf59af@mail.gmail.com>

Can anyone explain the following:

>>> a = 1
>>> b = 2
>>> alist = [5,6]
>>> print a in alist
False

>>> a in alist == b in alist
False
>>> a in alist == a in alist
False
>>> bool(a in alist) == bool(b in alist)      # this does what we expect
True
>>> c = 5
>>> c in alist == c in alist
False
>>>

max
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From jeremy.r.fishman at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 22:22:52 2010
From: jeremy.r.fishman at gmail.com (Jeremy Fishman)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:22:52 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Is there an equivalent to perl -S for python?
In-Reply-To: <1f7713e31001251321o3830b923xbb3c0fd0ee534cfb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8540148a1001251311u2162f698g29d85d014582e401@mail.gmail.com>
	<1f7713e31001251321o3830b923xbb3c0fd0ee534cfb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1f7713e31001251322y6c806fdbjb0aa29d3b4d16ff1@mail.gmail.com>

'python -m xyz' will search for xyz.py in the path and run it as __main__.

  - Jeremy

On Jan 25, 2010 1:15 PM, "William Deegan" <bdbaddog at gmail.com> wrote:

Greetings,

perl -S xyz.pl   will find the xyz.pl in the PATH and run it.
Is there an equivalent flag for python?
Or do I need to do:
x=`which xyz.py`
python $x

Thanks,
Bill

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From jeremy.r.fishman at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 22:24:24 2010
From: jeremy.r.fishman at gmail.com (Jeremy Fishman)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:24:24 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Is there an equivalent to perl -S for python?
In-Reply-To: <1f7713e31001251322y6c806fdbjb0aa29d3b4d16ff1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8540148a1001251311u2162f698g29d85d014582e401@mail.gmail.com>
	<1f7713e31001251321o3830b923xbb3c0fd0ee534cfb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1f7713e31001251322y6c806fdbjb0aa29d3b4d16ff1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1f7713e31001251324i7f8d4ad9n7a6a6a815efad63a@mail.gmail.com>

That is, the PYTHONPATH.

On Jan 25, 2010 1:22 PM, "Jeremy Fishman" <jeremy.r.fishman at gmail.com>
wrote:

'python -m xyz' will search for xyz.py in the path and run it as __main__.

  - Jeremy

> > On Jan 25, 2010 1:15 PM, "William Deegan" <bdbaddog at gmail.com> wrote: >
> Greetings, > > perl -S...
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From jon at inklesspen.com  Mon Jan 25 22:18:51 2010
From: jon at inklesspen.com (Jon Rosebaugh)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:18:51 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] What is happening here with true/false comparisons
In-Reply-To: <bc5154611001251312v4caad40j52155f1cb0bf59af@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bc5154611001251312v4caad40j52155f1cb0bf59af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DA95148A-B759-4D66-8614-224BE13FED05@inklesspen.com>

>>> (a in alist) == (a in alist)
True

On Jan 25, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Max Slimmer wrote:

> Can anyone explain the following:
> 
> >>> a = 1
> >>> b = 2
> >>> alist = [5,6]
> >>> print a in alist
> False
> 
> >>> a in alist == b in alist
> False
> >>> a in alist == a in alist
> False
> >>> bool(a in alist) == bool(b in alist)      # this does what we expect
> True
> >>> c = 5
> >>> c in alist == c in alist
> False
> >>> 
> 
> max
> _______________________________________________
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From bender at onsrc.com  Mon Jan 25 22:25:46 2010
From: bender at onsrc.com (Ryan Delucchi)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:25:46 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] What is happening here with true/false comparisons
In-Reply-To: <bc5154611001251312v4caad40j52155f1cb0bf59af@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bc5154611001251312v4caad40j52155f1cb0bf59af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AF69820E-6F13-4D72-AB55-8785A5191940@onsrc.com>

This appears to be an order of precedence issue.

Observe:

 >>> (a in alist) == (b in alist)
True

Ryan

On Jan 25, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Max Slimmer wrote:

> Can anyone explain the following:
>
> >>> a = 1
> >>> b = 2
> >>> alist = [5,6]
> >>> print a in alist
> False
>
> >>> a in alist == b in alist
> False
> >>> a in alist == a in alist
> False
> >>> bool(a in alist) == bool(b in alist)      # this does what we  
> expect
> True
> >>> c = 5
> >>> c in alist == c in alist
> False
> >>>
>
> max
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From bpederse at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 22:26:21 2010
From: bpederse at gmail.com (Brent Pedersen)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:26:21 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] What is happening here with true/false comparisons
In-Reply-To: <bc5154611001251312v4caad40j52155f1cb0bf59af@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bc5154611001251312v4caad40j52155f1cb0bf59af@mail.gmail.com>
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http://docs.python.org/reference/expressions.html#summary

so == and 'in' have the same precedence. so your statement is equivalent to:

  >>> ((a in alist) == b) in alist



On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Max Slimmer <max at theslimmers.net> wrote:
> Can anyone explain the following:
>
>>>> a = 1
>>>> b = 2
>>>> alist = [5,6]
>>>> print a in alist
> False
>
>>>> a in alist == b in alist
> False
>>>> a in alist == a in alist
> False
>>>> bool(a in alist) == bool(b in alist)????? # this does what we expect
> True
>>>> c = 5
>>>> c in alist == c in alist
> False
>>>>
>
> max
>
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From akwright at mac.com  Mon Jan 25 22:28:11 2010
From: akwright at mac.com (Kevin Wright)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:28:11 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] What is happening here with true/false comparisons
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On Jan 25, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Max Slimmer wrote:

> Can anyone explain the following:
>
> >>> a = 1
> >>> b = 2
> >>> alist = [5,6]
> >>> print a in alist
> False
>
> >>> a in alist == b in alist
> False
> >>> a in alist == a in alist
> False
> >>> bool(a in alist) == bool(b in alist)      # this does what we  
> expect
> True
> >>> c = 5
> >>> c in alist == c in alist
> False
> >>>

I assume it has to do with precedence:

 >>> (c in alist) == (c in alist)
True

Using the parentheses insures you are making the correct comparison

>
> max
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From ppergame at cisco.com  Mon Jan 25 22:22:47 2010
From: ppergame at cisco.com (Pavel Pergamenshchik)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:22:47 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] What is happening here with true/false comparisons
In-Reply-To: <bc5154611001251312v4caad40j52155f1cb0bf59af@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bc5154611001251312v4caad40j52155f1cb0bf59af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100125132247.53a33e74@bile>

"in" and "==" are left-associative and have equal priority.

"a in alist == b in alist" is equivalent to
"((a in alist) == b) in alist"

On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:12:33 -0800
Max Slimmer <max at theslimmers.net> wrote:

> Can anyone explain the following:
> 
> >>> a = 1
> >>> b = 2
> >>> alist = [5,6]
> >>> print a in alist
> False
> 
> >>> a in alist == b in alist
> False
> >>> a in alist == a in alist
> False
> >>> bool(a in alist) == bool(b in alist)      # this does what we
> >>> expect
> True
> >>> c = 5
> >>> c in alist == c in alist
> False
> >>>
> 
> max

From langton2 at llnl.gov  Mon Jan 25 22:27:30 2010
From: langton2 at llnl.gov (Asher Langton)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:27:30 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] What is happening here with true/false comparisons
In-Reply-To: <bc5154611001251312v4caad40j52155f1cb0bf59af@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bc5154611001251312v4caad40j52155f1cb0bf59af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3E7EACB1-6665-43EE-AF35-6F0501210EDB@llnl.gov>

On Jan 25, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Max Slimmer wrote:
> Can anyone explain the following:
>
> >>> a = 1
> >>> b = 2
> >>> alist = [5,6]
> >>> print a in alist
> False
>
> >>> a in alist == b in alist
> False
> >>> a in alist == a in alist
> False
> >>> bool(a in alist) == bool(b in alist)      # this does what we  
> expect
> True
> >>> c = 5
> >>> c in alist == c in alist
> False
> >>>

The '==' and 'in' operators have the same precedence, so the  
expression 'a in alist == b in alist' is evaluated left-to-right as:

 >>> ( (a in alist) == b) in alist

Since 'a in alist' is False, this is the same as

 >>> ( False == b) in alist

which can be simplified to

 >>> False in alist

which is False.


-Asher

From damonmc at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 00:03:30 2010
From: damonmc at gmail.com (Damon McCormick)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:03:30 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] What is happening here with true/false comparisons
In-Reply-To: <3E7EACB1-6665-43EE-AF35-6F0501210EDB@llnl.gov>
References: <bc5154611001251312v4caad40j52155f1cb0bf59af@mail.gmail.com>
	<3E7EACB1-6665-43EE-AF35-6F0501210EDB@llnl.gov>
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While the suggested *fixes* are all correct (when in doubt, explicilty
parenthesize!), none of the *explanations* for the unexpected output are
quite right.  Since this involves a subtle issue, I thought I'd send a full
explanation.

It's tempting to assume that

>>> a in alist == b in alist
is equivalent to
>>> ((a in alist) == b) in alist

However, this is not correct!

For a simpler (but perhaps more confusing) example of the hazards of using
"in" and "==", non-parenthesized, in an expression like this, consider the
following:

>>> a = 1 # as before
>>> alist = [5,6] # as before
>>> a in alist == False
False
>>> (a in alist) == False
True

Weird, right?  And no, putting parens around (alist == False) won't
work--that would be an exception because the right side of the 'in' operator
wouldn't be iterable.

Here's one last example:

>>> blist = [1, [5,6]]
>>> 5 in alist == [5,6] in blist
True

You might enjoy the exercise of figuring out why the above output is
correct.  But to cut to the chase, what's going on is the following.  Python
allows comparisons to be chained, as in the following:

>>> a == 1 == 2/2
True
>>> 1 < 5 < 7
True

The way the chaining works (see 5.9 in http://tinyurl.com/3vsb6m) is that

>>> a == 1 == 2/2
is equivalent to
>>> (a == 1) and (1 == 2/2)

and

>>> 1 < 5 < 7
is equivalent to
>>> (1 < 5) and (5 < 7)

Since 'in' is just another comparison operator, it works the same way.
Thus, the the original expression

>>> a in alist == b in alist
is equivalent to
>>>(a in alist) and (alist == b) and (b in alist)

which is False because all three comparisons are False.  You'll see that the
two other examples I came up with make sense in this context as well.

-Damon



On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Asher Langton <langton2 at llnl.gov> wrote:

> On Jan 25, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Max Slimmer wrote:
>
>> Can anyone explain the following:
>>
>> >>> a = 1
>> >>> b = 2
>> >>> alist = [5,6]
>> >>> print a in alist
>> False
>>
>> >>> a in alist == b in alist
>> False
>> >>> a in alist == a in alist
>> False
>> >>> bool(a in alist) == bool(b in alist)      # this does what we expect
>> True
>> >>> c = 5
>> >>> c in alist == c in alist
>> False
>> >>>
>>
>
> The '==' and 'in' operators have the same precedence, so the expression 'a
> in alist == b in alist' is evaluated left-to-right as:
>
> >>> ( (a in alist) == b) in alist
>
> Since 'a in alist' is False, this is the same as
>
> >>> ( False == b) in alist
>
> which can be simplified to
>
> >>> False in alist
>
> which is False.
>
>
> -Asher
>
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From langton2 at llnl.gov  Tue Jan 26 00:20:25 2010
From: langton2 at llnl.gov (Asher Langton)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:20:25 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] What is happening here with true/false comparisons
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On Jan 25, 2010, at 3:03 PM, Damon McCormick wrote:
> Since 'in' is just another comparison operator, it works the same  
> way.  Thus, the the original expression
>
> >>> a in alist == b in alist
> is equivalent to
> >>>(a in alist) and (alist == b) and (b in alist)


Thanks for the correction.  I don't typically use chained expressions,  
and I had no idea that dissimilar operators like '==' and 'in' could  
be chained like that.


-Asher

From bender at onsrc.com  Tue Jan 26 00:25:19 2010
From: bender at onsrc.com (Ryan Delucchi)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:25:19 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] What is happening here with true/false comparisons
In-Reply-To: <3cce76f61001251503n4b550854l531b85fea7c69d5c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bc5154611001251312v4caad40j52155f1cb0bf59af@mail.gmail.com>
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huh, I knew about chaining in Python but didn't realize that "in" also  
exhibits this behavior.

Now, as much as I like many of the neat features in Python (including  
logic chaining), I am going to go out on a limb
and say that this is a particularly confusing use of chaining and  
should be avoided (for the same reason that
folks programming in C should make judicious use of pointer arithmetic).

But pragmatics aside, this is actually pretty cool and good to know.

Ryan

On Jan 25, 2010, at 3:03 PM, Damon McCormick wrote:

> While the suggested *fixes* are all correct (when in doubt,  
> explicilty parenthesize!), none of the *explanations* for the  
> unexpected output are quite right.  Since this involves a subtle  
> issue, I thought I'd send a full explanation.
>
> It's tempting to assume that
>
> >>> a in alist == b in alist
> is equivalent to
> >>> ((a in alist) == b) in alist
>
> However, this is not correct!
>
> For a simpler (but perhaps more confusing) example of the hazards of  
> using "in" and "==", non-parenthesized, in an expression like this,  
> consider the following:
>
> >>> a = 1 # as before
> >>> alist = [5,6] # as before
> >>> a in alist == False
> False
> >>> (a in alist) == False
> True
>
> Weird, right?  And no, putting parens around (alist == False) won't  
> work--that would be an exception because the right side of the 'in'  
> operator wouldn't be iterable.
>
> Here's one last example:
>
> >>> blist = [1, [5,6]]
> >>> 5 in alist == [5,6] in blist
> True
>
> You might enjoy the exercise of figuring out why the above output is  
> correct.  But to cut to the chase, what's going on is the  
> following.  Python allows comparisons to be chained, as in the  
> following:
>
> >>> a == 1 == 2/2
> True
> >>> 1 < 5 < 7
> True
>
> The way the chaining works (see 5.9 in http://tinyurl.com/3vsb6m) is  
> that
>
> >>> a == 1 == 2/2
> is equivalent to
> >>> (a == 1) and (1 == 2/2)
>
> and
>
> >>> 1 < 5 < 7
> is equivalent to
> >>> (1 < 5) and (5 < 7)
>
> Since 'in' is just another comparison operator, it works the same  
> way.  Thus, the the original expression
>
> >>> a in alist == b in alist
> is equivalent to
> >>>(a in alist) and (alist == b) and (b in alist)
>
> which is False because all three comparisons are False.  You'll see  
> that the two other examples I came up with make sense in this  
> context as well.
>
> -Damon
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Asher Langton <langton2 at llnl.gov>  
> wrote:
> On Jan 25, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Max Slimmer wrote:
> Can anyone explain the following:
>
> >>> a = 1
> >>> b = 2
> >>> alist = [5,6]
> >>> print a in alist
> False
>
> >>> a in alist == b in alist
> False
> >>> a in alist == a in alist
> False
> >>> bool(a in alist) == bool(b in alist)      # this does what we  
> expect
> True
> >>> c = 5
> >>> c in alist == c in alist
> False
> >>>
>
> The '==' and 'in' operators have the same precedence, so the  
> expression 'a in alist == b in alist' is evaluated left-to-right as:
>
> >>> ( (a in alist) == b) in alist
>
> Since 'a in alist' is False, this is the same as
>
> >>> ( False == b) in alist
>
> which can be simplified to
>
> >>> False in alist
>
> which is False.
>
>
> -Asher
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rich at noir.com  Tue Jan 26 00:30:21 2010
From: rich at noir.com (K. Richard Pixley)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:30:21 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] What is happening here with true/false comparisons
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Damon McCormick wrote:
> Since 'in' is just another comparison operator, it works the same way.
Thank you!

Good explanation and clearly needed.

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From max at theslimmers.net  Tue Jan 26 01:06:01 2010
From: max at theslimmers.net (Max Slimmer)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:06:01 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] What is happening here with true/false comparisons
In-Reply-To: <3cce76f61001251503n4b550854l531b85fea7c69d5c@mail.gmail.com>
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Great explanation, this should be a good newbie nugget.

Thanks,
Max Slimmer



On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Damon McCormick <damonmc at gmail.com> wrote:

> While the suggested *fixes* are all correct (when in doubt, explicilty
> parenthesize!), none of the *explanations* for the unexpected output are
> quite right.  Since this involves a subtle issue, I thought I'd send a full
> explanation.
>
> It's tempting to assume that
>
> >>> a in alist == b in alist
> is equivalent to
> >>> ((a in alist) == b) in alist
>
> However, this is not correct!
>
> For a simpler (but perhaps more confusing) example of the hazards of using
> "in" and "==", non-parenthesized, in an expression like this, consider the
> following:
>
> >>> a = 1 # as before
> >>> alist = [5,6] # as before
> >>> a in alist == False
> False
> >>> (a in alist) == False
> True
>
> Weird, right?  And no, putting parens around (alist == False) won't
> work--that would be an exception because the right side of the 'in' operator
> wouldn't be iterable.
>
> Here's one last example:
>
> >>> blist = [1, [5,6]]
> >>> 5 in alist == [5,6] in blist
> True
>
> You might enjoy the exercise of figuring out why the above output is
> correct.  But to cut to the chase, what's going on is the following.  Python
> allows comparisons to be chained, as in the following:
>
> >>> a == 1 == 2/2
> True
> >>> 1 < 5 < 7
> True
>
> The way the chaining works (see 5.9 in http://tinyurl.com/3vsb6m) is that
>
> >>> a == 1 == 2/2
> is equivalent to
> >>> (a == 1) and (1 == 2/2)
>
> and
>
> >>> 1 < 5 < 7
> is equivalent to
> >>> (1 < 5) and (5 < 7)
>
> Since 'in' is just another comparison operator, it works the same way.
> Thus, the the original expression
>
> >>> a in alist == b in alist
> is equivalent to
> >>>(a in alist) and (alist == b) and (b in alist)
>
> which is False because all three comparisons are False.  You'll see that
> the two other examples I came up with make sense in this context as well.
>
> -Damon
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Asher Langton <langton2 at llnl.gov> wrote:
>
>> On Jan 25, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Max Slimmer wrote:
>>
>>> Can anyone explain the following:
>>>
>>> >>> a = 1
>>> >>> b = 2
>>> >>> alist = [5,6]
>>> >>> print a in alist
>>> False
>>>
>>> >>> a in alist == b in alist
>>> False
>>> >>> a in alist == a in alist
>>> False
>>> >>> bool(a in alist) == bool(b in alist)      # this does what we expect
>>> True
>>> >>> c = 5
>>> >>> c in alist == c in alist
>>> False
>>> >>>
>>>
>>
>> The '==' and 'in' operators have the same precedence, so the expression 'a
>> in alist == b in alist' is evaluated left-to-right as:
>>
>> >>> ( (a in alist) == b) in alist
>>
>> Since 'a in alist' is False, this is the same as
>>
>> >>> ( False == b) in alist
>>
>> which can be simplified to
>>
>> >>> False in alist
>>
>> which is False.
>>
>>
>> -Asher
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> Baypiggies at python.org
>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Tue Jan 26 02:37:10 2010
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:37:10 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] What is happening here with true/false comparisons
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Agreed. Jim prepared a similar newbie nugget about chaining, but had a  
toothache and couldn't present it. I did at the last minute, but don't  
think I sid it justice.

Jim, what are the chances you present again with some of these  
examples. Or, Max. Or anyone. I'd like to learn more.

Cheers,


Glen

On Jan 25, 2010, at 4:06 PM, Max Slimmer <max at theslimmers.net> wrote:

> Great explanation, this should be a good newbie nugget.
>
> Thanks,
> Max Slimmer
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Damon McCormick <damonmc at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
> While the suggested *fixes* are all correct (when in doubt,  
> explicilty parenthesize!), none of the *explanations* for the  
> unexpected output are quite right.  Since this involves a subtle  
> issue, I thought I'd send a full explanation.
>
> It's tempting to assume that
>
> >>> a in alist == b in alist
> is equivalent to
> >>> ((a in alist) == b) in alist
>
> However, this is not correct!
>
> For a simpler (but perhaps more confusing) example of the hazards of  
> using "in" and "==", non-parenthesized, in an expression like this,  
> consider the following:
>
> >>> a = 1 # as before
> >>> alist = [5,6] # as before
> >>> a in alist == False
> False
> >>> (a in alist) == False
> True
>
> Weird, right?  And no, putting parens around (alist == False) won't  
> work--that would be an exception because the right side of the 'in'  
> operator wouldn't be iterable.
>
> Here's one last example:
>
> >>> blist = [1, [5,6]]
> >>> 5 in alist == [5,6] in blist
> True
>
> You might enjoy the exercise of figuring out why the above output is  
> correct.  But to cut to the chase, what's going on is the  
> following.  Python allows comparisons to be chained, as in the  
> following:
>
> >>> a == 1 == 2/2
> True
> >>> 1 < 5 < 7
> True
>
> The way the chaining works (see 5.9 in http://tinyurl.com/3vsb6m) is  
> that
>
> >>> a == 1 == 2/2
> is equivalent to
> >>> (a == 1) and (1 == 2/2)
>
> and
>
> >>> 1 < 5 < 7
> is equivalent to
> >>> (1 < 5) and (5 < 7)
>
> Since 'in' is just another comparison operator, it works the same  
> way.  Thus, the the original expression
>
> >>> a in alist == b in alist
> is equivalent to
> >>>(a in alist) and (alist == b) and (b in alist)
>
> which is False because all three comparisons are False.  You'll see  
> that the two other examples I came up with make sense in this  
> context as well.
>
> -Damon
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Asher Langton <langton2 at llnl.gov>  
> wrote:
> On Jan 25, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Max Slimmer wrote:
> Can anyone explain the following:
>
> >>> a = 1
> >>> b = 2
> >>> alist = [5,6]
> >>> print a in alist
> False
>
> >>> a in alist == b in alist
> False
> >>> a in alist == a in alist
> False
> >>> bool(a in alist) == bool(b in alist)      # this does what we  
> expect
> True
> >>> c = 5
> >>> c in alist == c in alist
> False
> >>>
>
> The '==' and 'in' operators have the same precedence, so the  
> expression 'a in alist == b in alist' is evaluated left-to-right as:
>
> >>> ( (a in alist) == b) in alist
>
> Since 'a in alist' is False, this is the same as
>
> >>> ( False == b) in alist
>
> which can be simplified to
>
> >>> False in alist
>
> which is False.
>
>
> -Asher
>
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From jim at well.com  Tue Jan 26 05:24:30 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:24:30 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] What is happening here with true/false comparisons
In-Reply-To: <DC133704-2E97-4967-A9AF-B2A55F743E34@glenjarvis.com>
References: <bc5154611001251312v4caad40j52155f1cb0bf59af@mail.gmail.com>
	<3E7EACB1-6665-43EE-AF35-6F0501210EDB@llnl.gov>
	<3cce76f61001251503n4b550854l531b85fea7c69d5c@mail.gmail.com>
	<bc5154611001251606l6488e024ld5b439d95b714fde@mail.gmail.com>
	<DC133704-2E97-4967-A9AF-B2A55F743E34@glenjarvis.com>
Message-ID: <1264479870.6506.312.camel@jim-laptop>


   i think the examples in this thread are pretty good. 
you and i gave it a shot, glen; it'd be interesting to 
listen to Damon's pitch. 
   what say, Damon: want to do a newbie nugget at one of 
the bayPIGgies' meetings? 



On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 17:37 -0800, Glen Jarvis wrote:
> Agreed. Jim prepared a similar newbie nugget about chaining, but had a
> toothache and couldn't present it. I did at the last minute, but don't
> think I sid it justice.
> 
> 
> Jim, what are the chances you present again with some of these
> examples. Or, Max. Or anyone. I'd like to learn more.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> Glen
> 
> On Jan 25, 2010, at 4:06 PM, Max Slimmer <max at theslimmers.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > Great explanation, this should be a good newbie nugget.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Max Slimmer
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Damon McCormick <damonmc at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >         While the suggested *fixes* are all correct (when in doubt,
> >         explicilty parenthesize!), none of the *explanations* for
> >         the unexpected output are quite right.  Since this involves
> >         a subtle issue, I thought I'd send a full explanation.  
> >         
> >         It's tempting to assume that 
> >         
> >         >>> a in alist == b in alist
> >         is equivalent to 
> >         >>> ((a in alist) == b) in alist
> >         
> >         However, this is not correct!
> >         
> >         For a simpler (but perhaps more confusing) example of the
> >         hazards of using "in" and "==", non-parenthesized, in an
> >         expression like this, consider the following:
> >         
> >         >>> a = 1 # as before
> >         >>> alist = [5,6] # as before
> >         >>> a in alist == False
> >         False
> >         >>> (a in alist) == False
> >         True
> >         
> >         Weird, right?  And no, putting parens around (alist ==
> >         False) won't work--that would be an exception because the
> >         right side of the 'in' operator wouldn't be iterable.
> >         
> >         Here's one last example:
> >         
> >         >>> blist = [1, [5,6]]
> >         >>> 5 in alist == [5,6] in blist
> >         True
> >         
> >         You might enjoy the exercise of figuring out why the above
> >         output is correct.  But to cut to the chase, what's going on
> >         is the following.  Python allows comparisons to be chained,
> >         as in the following:
> >         
> >         >>> a == 1 == 2/2
> >         True
> >         >>> 1 < 5 < 7
> >         True
> >         
> >         The way the chaining works (see 5.9 in
> >         http://tinyurl.com/3vsb6m) is that
> >         
> >         >>> a == 1 == 2/2
> >         is equivalent to 
> >         >>> (a == 1) and (1 == 2/2)
> >         
> >         and 
> >         
> >         >>> 1 < 5 < 7
> >         is equivalent to
> >         >>> (1 < 5) and (5 < 7)
> >         
> >         Since 'in' is just another comparison operator, it works the
> >         same way.  Thus, the the original expression
> >         
> >         >>> a in alist == b in alist
> >         is equivalent to 
> >         >>>(a in alist) and (alist == b) and (b in alist)
> >         
> >         which is False because all three comparisons are False.
> >         You'll see that the two other examples I came up with make
> >         sense in this context as well.
> >         
> >         -Damon
> >         
> >         
> >         
> >         On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Asher Langton
> >         <langton2 at llnl.gov> wrote:
> >                 On Jan 25, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Max Slimmer wrote:
> >                 
> >                 
> >                         Can anyone explain the following:
> >                         
> >                         >>> a = 1
> >                         >>> b = 2
> >                         >>> alist = [5,6]
> >                         >>> print a in alist
> >                         False
> >                         
> >                         >>> a in alist == b in alist
> >                         False
> >                         >>> a in alist == a in alist
> >                         False
> >                         >>> bool(a in alist) == bool(b in alist)
> >                            # this does what we expect
> >                         True
> >                         >>> c = 5
> >                         >>> c in alist == c in alist
> >                         False
> >                         >>>
> >                 
> >                 
> >                 The '==' and 'in' operators have the same
> >                 precedence, so the expression 'a in alist == b in
> >                 alist' is evaluated left-to-right as:
> >                 
> >                 >>> ( (a in alist) == b) in alist
> >                 
> >                 Since 'a in alist' is False, this is the same as
> >                 
> >                 >>> ( False == b) in alist
> >                 
> >                 which can be simplified to
> >                 
> >                 >>> False in alist
> >                 
> >                 which is False.
> >                 
> >                 
> >                 -Asher
> >                 
> >                 
> >                 _______________________________________________
> >                 Baypiggies mailing list
> >                 Baypiggies at python.org
> >                 To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> >                 http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
> >                 
> >         
> > 
> > 
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From jeff at drinktomi.com  Tue Jan 26 07:03:18 2010
From: jeff at drinktomi.com (Jeff Younker)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:03:18 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python media libraries
Message-ID: <9B1790E4-72E2-4466-93A1-7CA41E42CAD6@drinktomi.com>

I'm looking for recommendations on a Python media library.  The primary purpose is to extract metadata.

What do you folks recommend?

- Jeff Younker - jeff at drinktomi.com -




From drewp at bigasterisk.com  Tue Jan 26 07:33:52 2010
From: drewp at bigasterisk.com (Drew Perttula)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:33:52 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Is there an equivalent to perl -S for python?
In-Reply-To: <8540148a1001251311u2162f698g29d85d014582e401@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8540148a1001251311u2162f698g29d85d014582e401@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B5E8CD0.1050507@bigasterisk.com>

On 01/25/2010 01:11 PM, William Deegan wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> perl -S xyz.pl will find the xyz.pl in
> the PATH and run it.
> Is there an equivalent flag for python?
> Or do I need to do:
> x=`which xyz.py`
> python $x
>

zsh has a shell shortcut for `which foo`, letting you do this:

python =xyz.py

Now the -S version is the long way :)
zsh users can also do "less =xyz.py", etc.

From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Tue Jan 26 16:49:50 2010
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:49:50 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python media libraries
In-Reply-To: <9B1790E4-72E2-4466-93A1-7CA41E42CAD6@drinktomi.com>
References: <9B1790E4-72E2-4466-93A1-7CA41E42CAD6@drinktomi.com>
Message-ID: <20100126154949.GA3531@panix.com>

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010, Jeff Younker wrote:
>
> I'm looking for recommendations on a Python media library.  The
> primary purpose is to extract metadata.

I'm using the EXIF module for JPG.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

import antigravity

From eric at ericwalstad.com  Tue Jan 26 17:45:32 2010
From: eric at ericwalstad.com (Eric Walstad)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:45:32 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python media libraries
In-Reply-To: <9B1790E4-72E2-4466-93A1-7CA41E42CAD6@drinktomi.com>
References: <9B1790E4-72E2-4466-93A1-7CA41E42CAD6@drinktomi.com>
Message-ID: <c436fcd21001260845r637456baqac33e4c2cdefe4c2@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Jeff Younker <jeff at drinktomi.com> wrote:
> I'm looking for recommendations on a Python media library. ?The primary purpose is to extract metadata.

I recently added EXIF reading code to my photo/image processing
script.  I ended up using PIL's _getexif method because I was already
using PIL for other functions.  PIL works well for my simple photo
editing needs, mostly resizing and rotating images (and now reading
some EXIF data).

EW

From mikeyp at snaplogic.com  Tue Jan 26 17:20:52 2010
From: mikeyp at snaplogic.com (Michael Pittaro)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:20:52 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python media libraries
In-Reply-To: <9B1790E4-72E2-4466-93A1-7CA41E42CAD6@drinktomi.com>
References: <9B1790E4-72E2-4466-93A1-7CA41E42CAD6@drinktomi.com>
Message-ID: <4B5F1664.6070902@snaplogic.com>

Jeff Younker wrote:
> I'm looking for recommendations on a Python media library.  The primary purpose is to extract metadata.
> 
> What do you folks recommend?
> 
> - Jeff Younker - jeff at drinktomi.com

I've use eyed3 for ID3 / MP3 tag processing. http://eyed3.nicfit.net/

mike

-- 
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Co-Founder                      Snaplogic, Inc.
mikeyp at snaplogic.com            http://www.snaplogic.com
Know an App ?  Write a Snap !  http://tinyurl.com/snapstore-challenge


From janssen at parc.com  Tue Jan 26 19:11:49 2010
From: janssen at parc.com (Bill Janssen)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:11:49 PST
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python media libraries
In-Reply-To: <9B1790E4-72E2-4466-93A1-7CA41E42CAD6@drinktomi.com>
References: <9B1790E4-72E2-4466-93A1-7CA41E42CAD6@drinktomi.com>
Message-ID: <15975.1264529509@parc.com>

Jeff Younker <jeff at drinktomi.com> wrote:

> I'm looking for recommendations on a Python media library.  The primary purpose is to extract metadata.
> 
> What do you folks recommend?

Jeff,

I've looked at a lot of these libraries for UpLib.  Hachoir may come
closest to what you want.  For UpLib, I wound up using these:

* hachoir (and a tiny bit of pyglet) for video,
* mutagen for ID3 tags in music,
* vobject for iCalendar/vCard,
* PIL for EXIF data in TIFF and JPEG files.

All of my source code for this is available at http://uplib.parc.com/.

Bill

From damonmc at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 00:06:03 2010
From: damonmc at gmail.com (Damon McCormick)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:06:03 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] What is happening here with true/false comparisons
In-Reply-To: <1264479870.6506.312.camel@jim-laptop>
References: <bc5154611001251312v4caad40j52155f1cb0bf59af@mail.gmail.com>
	<3E7EACB1-6665-43EE-AF35-6F0501210EDB@llnl.gov>
	<3cce76f61001251503n4b550854l531b85fea7c69d5c@mail.gmail.com>
	<bc5154611001251606l6488e024ld5b439d95b714fde@mail.gmail.com>
	<DC133704-2E97-4967-A9AF-B2A55F743E34@glenjarvis.com>
	<1264479870.6506.312.camel@jim-laptop>
Message-ID: <3cce76f61001261506u2d342470ie9f7b2b387edfe7c@mail.gmail.com>

Sure--I'd be up for that.

-Damon


On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 8:24 PM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:

>
>   i think the examples in this thread are pretty good.
> you and i gave it a shot, glen; it'd be interesting to
> listen to Damon's pitch.
>   what say, Damon: want to do a newbie nugget at one of
> the bayPIGgies' meetings?
>
>
>
> On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 17:37 -0800, Glen Jarvis wrote:
> > Agreed. Jim prepared a similar newbie nugget about chaining, but had a
> > toothache and couldn't present it. I did at the last minute, but don't
> > think I sid it justice.
> >
> >
> > Jim, what are the chances you present again with some of these
> > examples. Or, Max. Or anyone. I'd like to learn more.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> >
> > Glen
> >
> > On Jan 25, 2010, at 4:06 PM, Max Slimmer <max at theslimmers.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Great explanation, this should be a good newbie nugget.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Max Slimmer
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Damon McCormick <damonmc at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >         While the suggested *fixes* are all correct (when in doubt,
> > >         explicilty parenthesize!), none of the *explanations* for
> > >         the unexpected output are quite right.  Since this involves
> > >         a subtle issue, I thought I'd send a full explanation.
> > >
> > >         It's tempting to assume that
> > >
> > >         >>> a in alist == b in alist
> > >         is equivalent to
> > >         >>> ((a in alist) == b) in alist
> > >
> > >         However, this is not correct!
> > >
> > >         For a simpler (but perhaps more confusing) example of the
> > >         hazards of using "in" and "==", non-parenthesized, in an
> > >         expression like this, consider the following:
> > >
> > >         >>> a = 1 # as before
> > >         >>> alist = [5,6] # as before
> > >         >>> a in alist == False
> > >         False
> > >         >>> (a in alist) == False
> > >         True
> > >
> > >         Weird, right?  And no, putting parens around (alist ==
> > >         False) won't work--that would be an exception because the
> > >         right side of the 'in' operator wouldn't be iterable.
> > >
> > >         Here's one last example:
> > >
> > >         >>> blist = [1, [5,6]]
> > >         >>> 5 in alist == [5,6] in blist
> > >         True
> > >
> > >         You might enjoy the exercise of figuring out why the above
> > >         output is correct.  But to cut to the chase, what's going on
> > >         is the following.  Python allows comparisons to be chained,
> > >         as in the following:
> > >
> > >         >>> a == 1 == 2/2
> > >         True
> > >         >>> 1 < 5 < 7
> > >         True
> > >
> > >         The way the chaining works (see 5.9 in
> > >         http://tinyurl.com/3vsb6m) is that
> > >
> > >         >>> a == 1 == 2/2
> > >         is equivalent to
> > >         >>> (a == 1) and (1 == 2/2)
> > >
> > >         and
> > >
> > >         >>> 1 < 5 < 7
> > >         is equivalent to
> > >         >>> (1 < 5) and (5 < 7)
> > >
> > >         Since 'in' is just another comparison operator, it works the
> > >         same way.  Thus, the the original expression
> > >
> > >         >>> a in alist == b in alist
> > >         is equivalent to
> > >         >>>(a in alist) and (alist == b) and (b in alist)
> > >
> > >         which is False because all three comparisons are False.
> > >         You'll see that the two other examples I came up with make
> > >         sense in this context as well.
> > >
> > >         -Damon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >         On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Asher Langton
> > >         <langton2 at llnl.gov> wrote:
> > >                 On Jan 25, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Max Slimmer wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >                         Can anyone explain the following:
> > >
> > >                         >>> a = 1
> > >                         >>> b = 2
> > >                         >>> alist = [5,6]
> > >                         >>> print a in alist
> > >                         False
> > >
> > >                         >>> a in alist == b in alist
> > >                         False
> > >                         >>> a in alist == a in alist
> > >                         False
> > >                         >>> bool(a in alist) == bool(b in alist)
> > >                            # this does what we expect
> > >                         True
> > >                         >>> c = 5
> > >                         >>> c in alist == c in alist
> > >                         False
> > >                         >>>
> > >
> > >
> > >                 The '==' and 'in' operators have the same
> > >                 precedence, so the expression 'a in alist == b in
> > >                 alist' is evaluated left-to-right as:
> > >
> > >                 >>> ( (a in alist) == b) in alist
> > >
> > >                 Since 'a in alist' is False, this is the same as
> > >
> > >                 >>> ( False == b) in alist
> > >
> > >                 which can be simplified to
> > >
> > >                 >>> False in alist
> > >
> > >                 which is False.
> > >
> > >
> > >                 -Asher
> > >
> > >
> > >                 _______________________________________________
> > >                 Baypiggies mailing list
> > >                 Baypiggies at python.org
> > >                 To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> > >                 http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
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> > >
> > >
> > >
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Wed Jan 27 07:26:43 2010
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:26:43 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Filming BayPIGgies meeting Thursday
Message-ID: <d1de3b721001262226h6492c7t5aef2ba18d06b195@mail.gmail.com>

I have a meeting that is going to keep me late at work. I'm not going to be
able to get to Mountain View in time to video tape. In fact, I'm not certain
I'll make it on time to attend personally.

Can we get alternate volunteers to tape again.


Cheers,


Glen
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From jeff at drinktomi.com  Wed Jan 27 08:54:31 2010
From: jeff at drinktomi.com (Jeff Younker)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:54:31 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Looking for a ride from Alameda/Oakland/SF to BP on
	Thursday
Message-ID: <F641E25B-493B-4055-9F4E-916BC30DF832@drinktomi.com>

The message sums it up.  I work in Alameda.  I can get to Oakland to depart, and I live in SF.

- Jeff Younker - jeff at drinktomi.com -




From voidref at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 08:54:39 2010
From: voidref at gmail.com (Alan Westbrook)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:54:39 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Filming BayPIGgies meeting Thursday
In-Reply-To: <d1de3b721001262226h6492c7t5aef2ba18d06b195@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d1de3b721001262226h6492c7t5aef2ba18d06b195@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5df1e9b01001262354l408e1783mc4616e089677cb8@mail.gmail.com>

I'm afraid that I won't be able to make the meeting this month either.

Alan

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:

> I have a meeting that is going to keep me late at work. I'm not going to be
> able to get to Mountain View in time to video tape. In fact, I'm not certain
> I'll make it on time to attend personally.
>
> Can we get alternate volunteers to tape again.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Glen
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jim at well.com  Wed Jan 27 22:45:54 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:45:54 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] BayPIGgies meeting Thursday, January 28,
	2010: Unladen Swallow
Message-ID: <1264628754.6604.5.camel@jim-laptop>


BayPIGgies meeting Thursday, January 28, 2010: Unladen Swallow 

Tonight's talk is 
* Unladen Swallow 
by Collin Winter and Jeffrey Yasskin 

Meetings usually start with a Newbie Nugget, a short discussion 
of an essential Python feature, especially for those new to 
Python. 
Tonight's Newbie Nugget: Comprehensions and Other Such Stuff 

LOCATION 
Symantec Corporation
Symantec Vcafe
350 Ellis Street
Mountain View, CA 94043
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&ei=w6i_Sfr6MZmQsQOzlv0v&hl=en&t=h&msa=0&msid=116202735295394761637.00046550c09ff3d96bff1&ll=37.397693,-122.053707&spn=0.002902,0.004828&z=18

BayPIGgies meeting information is available at 
http://www.baypiggies.net/ 


------------------------ Agenda ------------------------
 
..... 7:30 PM ...........................
General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, any 
first-minute announcements. 


..... 7:35 PM to 7:45 PM ................
Newbie Nugget: Comprehensions and Other Such Stuff 
by Wesley Chun 


..... 7:45 PM to 8:40 PM (or so) ................
* Unladen Swallow 
by Collin Winter and Jeffrey Yasskin 

Abstract: A discussion about optimizing dynamic languages generally,
optimizing Python specifically, and how Google's Unladen Swallow
project is speeding up CPython. 
   This talk will cover Google's motivation for UnladenSwallow, the 
approach being taken, results so far, challenges faced, cancers cured, 
and plans for merger with CPython.

Bio: Collin Winter is a software engineer on Google's compiler team,
where he serves as tech lead for Unladen Swallow, a Google-sponsored
open-source project to speed up CPython. He's a long-time core Python
developer, having contributed to the development of Python 3000 and
having co-authored the 2to3 tool with Guido van Rossum.

Bio: Jeffrey Yasskin is a software engineer on Google's compiler team,
where he works on Unladen Swallow, a Google-sponsored open-source
project to speed up CPython. He's a Python and LLVM committer, having
contributed to the development of Python 3000 and fixed several
critical bugs in LLVM's JIT infrastructure.

Links: 
http://code.google.com/p/unladen-swallow/ 
http://code.google.com/p/unladen-swallow/wiki/ProjectPlan 
http://code.google.com/p/unladen-swallow/wiki/GettingStarted 


..... 8:30 PM to 9:20 PM  ................
Mapping and Random Access

Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of issues, hiring, 
events, and other topics. 

Random Access follows people immediately to allow follow up 
on the announcements and other interests.



From me at silastoms.com  Wed Jan 27 23:03:23 2010
From: me at silastoms.com (Silas Toms)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:03:23 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python SVG and CGI
In-Reply-To: <5df1e9b01001262354l408e1783mc4616e089677cb8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d1de3b721001262226h6492c7t5aef2ba18d06b195@mail.gmail.com>
	<5df1e9b01001262354l408e1783mc4616e089677cb8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14C04BC92F414F93A2184435DCC07478@ebparks.org>

Hello All-

 

I'm trying to create a Python CGI application that will serve dynamically
generated SVG maps (mostly of parcel data generated using supplied GPS
coordinates) but I seem to be hitting the twin limitations of my (lack of)
knowledge of CGI and the sparseness of Python CGI documentation with regards
to the inclusion of SVG embeds or objects. Do any of you have any
information/documentation that you could point me towards? 

The whole thing is so frustrating because this seems really promising, and I
feel like I'm so close to creating something really useful.

 

PS I'm more of a GIS guy so even the most basic info might be what I need.

 

Thanks- Silas

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From simeonf at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 23:53:45 2010
From: simeonf at gmail.com (Simeon Franklin)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:53:45 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python SVG and CGI
In-Reply-To: <14C04BC92F414F93A2184435DCC07478@ebparks.org>
References: <d1de3b721001262226h6492c7t5aef2ba18d06b195@mail.gmail.com>
	<5df1e9b01001262354l408e1783mc4616e089677cb8@mail.gmail.com>
	<14C04BC92F414F93A2184435DCC07478@ebparks.org>
Message-ID: <e58a4bea1001271453p2a3279f4n1b06d653de9cf475@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Silas Toms <me at silastoms.com> wrote:

> I seem to be hitting the twin limitations of my (lack of) knowledge of CGI
> and the sparseness of Python CGI documentation with regards to the inclusion
> of SVG embeds or objects. Do any of you have any information/documentation
> that you could point me towards?
>

Silas -

Using CGI is pretty old school at this point and I suspect you'd find better
documentation if you looked at one of the modern frameworks on the Python
Wiki Web Frameworks page (http://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks).

SVG on the other hand is a data standard for representing vector images in
XML and has nothing to do with CGI or any other HTTP processing model.
Perhaps you're trying to figure out how to get SVG images in HTML documents?
You could start out with static HTML and a static SVG image. A List Apart
just published a good overview of the browser support for various methods
for getting SVG in HTML documents that you might find useful - Part 1 is at
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/using-svg-for-flexible-scalable-and-fun-backgrounds-part-i/and
part 2 is linked at the bottom of the page...

-regards
Simeon Franklin
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From mvoorhie at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 28 00:12:27 2010
From: mvoorhie at yahoo.com (Mark Voorhies)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:12:27 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python SVG and CGI
In-Reply-To: <14C04BC92F414F93A2184435DCC07478@ebparks.org>
References: <d1de3b721001262226h6492c7t5aef2ba18d06b195@mail.gmail.com>
	<5df1e9b01001262354l408e1783mc4616e089677cb8@mail.gmail.com>
	<14C04BC92F414F93A2184435DCC07478@ebparks.org>
Message-ID: <201001271512.27630.mvoorhie@yahoo.com>

On Wednesday 27 January 2010 2:03 pm Silas Toms wrote:
> Hello All-
> 
>  
> 
> I'm trying to create a Python CGI application that will serve dynamically
> generated SVG maps (mostly of parcel data generated using supplied GPS
> coordinates) but I seem to be hitting the twin limitations of my (lack of)
> knowledge of CGI and the sparseness of Python CGI documentation with regards
> to the inclusion of SVG embeds or objects. Do any of you have any
> information/documentation that you could point me towards? 
> 
> The whole thing is so frustrating because this seems really promising, and I
> feel like I'm so close to creating something really useful.
> 
>  
> 
> PS I'm more of a GIS guy so even the most basic info might be what I need.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks- Silas
> 
>

I haven't had time to play with it, but mapnik from the OpenStreetMap project 
is C++ with python bindings and can generate SVG renderings of maps.  It's 
LGPL-licensed, so it's probably worth at least looking at their code.

http://mapnik.org/
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners_Guide_1.5

--Mark


From mvoorhie at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 28 00:20:05 2010
From: mvoorhie at yahoo.com (Mark Voorhies)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:20:05 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python SVG and CGI
In-Reply-To: <201001271512.27630.mvoorhie@yahoo.com>
References: <d1de3b721001262226h6492c7t5aef2ba18d06b195@mail.gmail.com>
	<14C04BC92F414F93A2184435DCC07478@ebparks.org>
	<201001271512.27630.mvoorhie@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <201001271520.05710.mvoorhie@yahoo.com>

On Wednesday 27 January 2010 3:12 pm Mark Voorhies wrote:
> On Wednesday 27 January 2010 2:03 pm Silas Toms wrote:
> > Hello All-
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I'm trying to create a Python CGI application that will serve dynamically
> > generated SVG maps (mostly of parcel data generated using supplied GPS
> > coordinates) but I seem to be hitting the twin limitations of my (lack of)
> > knowledge of CGI and the sparseness of Python CGI documentation with 
regards
> > to the inclusion of SVG embeds or objects. Do any of you have any
> > information/documentation that you could point me towards? 
> > 
> > The whole thing is so frustrating because this seems really promising, and 
I
> > feel like I'm so close to creating something really useful.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > PS I'm more of a GIS guy so even the most basic info might be what I need.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Thanks- Silas
> > 
> >
> 
> I haven't had time to play with it, but mapnik from the OpenStreetMap 
project 
> is C++ with python bindings and can generate SVG renderings of maps.  It's 
> LGPL-licensed, so it's probably worth at least looking at their code.
> 
> http://mapnik.org/
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beginners_Guide_1.5
> 
> --Mark
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
> 

Slightly off topic, but Inkscape is useful for debugging SVG output.  
ctrl-shift-x in Inkscape brings up an XML editor linked to the rendered SVG 
image, so you can get immediate feedback on the results of tweaking an SVG 
element.  There's also a nice collection of examples for scripting Inkscape 
extensions with Python.

http://www.inkscape.org/

--Mark


From andywiggin at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 05:23:06 2010
From: andywiggin at gmail.com (Andy Wiggin)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:23:06 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python SVG and CGI
In-Reply-To: <14C04BC92F414F93A2184435DCC07478@ebparks.org>
References: <d1de3b721001262226h6492c7t5aef2ba18d06b195@mail.gmail.com>
	<5df1e9b01001262354l408e1783mc4616e089677cb8@mail.gmail.com>
	<14C04BC92F414F93A2184435DCC07478@ebparks.org>
Message-ID: <74e7428a1001272023v108a64eqfeeb9d1608325e8c@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Silas Toms <me at silastoms.com> wrote:
> I?m trying to create a Python CGI application that will serve dynamically
> generated SVG maps (mostly of parcel data generated using supplied GPS
> coordinates) but I seem to be hitting the twin limitations of my (lack of)
> knowledge of CGI and the sparseness of Python CGI documentation with regards
> to the inclusion of SVG embeds or objects. Do any of you have any
> information/documentation that you could point me towards?
>
> The whole thing is so frustrating because this seems really promising, and I
> feel like I?m so close to creating something really useful.
>
> PS I?m more of a GIS guy so even the most basic info might be what I need.

Silas,
I haven't done quite you're trying to do, but I have served SVG files
from a web server. In the spirit of offering you the most basic info,
I have two tips, both of which you may already know. The Internet
Explorer web browser is not too friendly towards SVG, so if you're
testing with IE, it could be part of your problem. Second is that when
your CGI script services the request for the SVG file, you probably
have to set the content type correctly. Modifying the example from the
Python CGI module docs, you would want something like:

print "Content-Type: image/svg+xml"
print                               # blank line, end of headers

-Andy

From jjkunce at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 23:48:17 2010
From: jjkunce at gmail.com (Jeff Kunce)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 14:48:17 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python SVG and CGI
In-Reply-To: <74e7428a1001272023v108a64eqfeeb9d1608325e8c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d1de3b721001262226h6492c7t5aef2ba18d06b195@mail.gmail.com>
	<5df1e9b01001262354l408e1783mc4616e089677cb8@mail.gmail.com>
	<14C04BC92F414F93A2184435DCC07478@ebparks.org>
	<74e7428a1001272023v108a64eqfeeb9d1608325e8c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <833f4cd71001281448q57d59cbcj7ae0124ad366bd3@mail.gmail.com>

Here's a good basic tutorial on CGI with Python:
  http://gnosis.cx/publish/programming/feature_5min_python.html

A big gotcha for python CGI (especially serving binary data) is not running
the interpreter in "unbuffered mode" (-u startup option.)  An explanation
can be found at:
  http://www.imladris.com/Scripts/PythonForWindows.html
  (scroll down to the last section "Cross-platform shebang lines")

  -- Jeff


On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:23 PM, Andy Wiggin <andywiggin at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Silas Toms <me at silastoms.com> wrote:
> > I?m trying to create a Python CGI application that will serve dynamically
> > generated SVG maps (mostly of parcel data generated using supplied GPS
> > coordinates) but I seem to be hitting the twin limitations of my (lack
> of)
> > knowledge of CGI and the sparseness of Python CGI documentation with
> regards
> > to the inclusion of SVG embeds or objects. Do any of you have any
> > information/documentation that you could point me towards?
> >
> > The whole thing is so frustrating because this seems really promising,
> and I
> > feel like I?m so close to creating something really useful.
> >
> > PS I?m more of a GIS guy so even the most basic info might be what I
> need.
>
> Silas,
> I haven't done quite you're trying to do, but I have served SVG files
> from a web server. In the spirit of offering you the most basic info,
> I have two tips, both of which you may already know. The Internet
> Explorer web browser is not too friendly towards SVG, so if you're
> testing with IE, it could be part of your problem. Second is that when
> your CGI script services the request for the SVG file, you probably
> have to set the content type correctly. Modifying the example from the
> Python CGI module docs, you would want something like:
>
> print "Content-Type: image/svg+xml"
> print                               # blank line, end of headers
>
> -Andy
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
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From kbighorse at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 29 00:23:00 2010
From: kbighorse at yahoo.com (Kimball Bighorse)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:23:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baypiggies] HTML Parsers (n00b)
Message-ID: <904216.31743.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Looking at beautiful soup, html5lib and pyquery, anything else I should be aware of?

Many thanks,

Kimball

From jjkunce at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 00:40:59 2010
From: jjkunce at gmail.com (Jeff Kunce)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:40:59 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] HTML Parsers (n00b)
In-Reply-To: <904216.31743.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <904216.31743.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <833f4cd71001281540vc92bbc0q93a5af4c7c37c37c@mail.gmail.com>

HTMLParser, libxml2dom, other stuff in the pyXML world. But if BeautifulSoup
will do what you want, no need to look further.

  -- Jeff

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Kimball Bighorse <kbighorse at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Looking at beautiful soup, html5lib and pyquery, anything else I should be
> aware of?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Kimball
> _______________________________________________
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From max at theslimmers.net  Fri Jan 29 00:43:48 2010
From: max at theslimmers.net (Max Slimmer)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:43:48 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] HTML Parsers (n00b)
In-Reply-To: <904216.31743.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <904216.31743.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bc5154611001281543u4ab57d8bn19af728f248c0ae9@mail.gmail.com>

I like lxml
max


On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Kimball Bighorse <kbighorse at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Looking at beautiful soup, html5lib and pyquery, anything else I should be
> aware of?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Kimball
> _______________________________________________
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From alecf at flett.org  Fri Jan 29 01:58:13 2010
From: alecf at flett.org (Alec Flett)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:58:13 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] HTML Parsers (n00b)
In-Reply-To: <bc5154611001281543u4ab57d8bn19af728f248c0ae9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <904216.31743.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<bc5154611001281543u4ab57d8bn19af728f248c0ae9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c78d65271001281658i36338c92yc26f69ef80f8d491@mail.gmail.com>

lxml is awesome, don't be fooled by the name - it has great understanding of
HTML, even malformed.

ianbicking did a great comparison years ago but it still stands:
http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/03/30/python-html-parser-performance/

and an update:
http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/12/10/lxml-an-underappreciated-web-scraping-library/

Basically: lxml is fast as hell, (uses libxml2 under the hood)low memory
footprint, and very forgiving of wacky html, better than Beautiful Soup.

I think pyquery actually uses lxml under the hood? or at least libxml2?


Alec

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Max Slimmer <max at theslimmers.net> wrote:

>
> I like lxml
> max
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Kimball Bighorse <kbighorse at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Looking at beautiful soup, html5lib and pyquery, anything else I should be
>> aware of?
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> Kimball
>> _______________________________________________
>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> Baypiggies at python.org
>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>>
>
>
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Fri Jan 29 02:17:36 2010
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:17:36 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Step right up.. step right up.. Videographer positions
	open
Message-ID: <d1de3b721001281717l28fff5b7td28dc6aaba110763@mail.gmail.com>

I've announced a few days ago that I couldn't make the meeting. So, I
can't schlep all of that video equipment down there (I'm still in
Berkeley... bloodshot eyes... groaning and moaning.... and and
over-exaggerating a bit :)

I received a phone call asking if I'd video tape and when I couldn't,
they made a very good suggestion. They suggested, very kindly, that I
turn this over to someone else.

That's a great idea! Somehow, we made this into a real position... very cool.

So, step right up.. step right up... The equipment I am using is owned
by different members of the community ... so lack of equipment is not
a reason. Do you want to be more involved in the community, but are
afraid of getting up in front of everyone? Do you want to contribute,
but aren't yet a coder. This is a great way to share your talents.

I have missed the past two meetings and it's only going to get worse
as long as I stay in my current employment position (I shall *not*
complain since I didn't *HAVE* employment for so long :)

If you have your own camera -- even a laptop camera -- or audio -- why
not jump in there and video tape tonight...


Cheers,


Glen

From jjkunce at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 02:26:08 2010
From: jjkunce at gmail.com (Jeff Kunce)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:26:08 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] HTML Parsers (n00b)
In-Reply-To: <c78d65271001281658i36338c92yc26f69ef80f8d491@mail.gmail.com>
References: <904216.31743.qm@web82302.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<bc5154611001281543u4ab57d8bn19af728f248c0ae9@mail.gmail.com>
	<c78d65271001281658i36338c92yc26f69ef80f8d491@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <833f4cd71001281726o6577183w46f1c00c90d769e8@mail.gmail.com>

No question about lxml's speed.  I'm using it (as part of Deliverance) on a
current project to re-theme a website on the fly.

But for day-to-day use, it's Beautiful Soup.  I can't resist pure python :)

  -- Jeff

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Alec Flett <alecf at flett.org> wrote:

> lxml is awesome, don't be fooled by the name - it has great understanding
> of HTML, even malformed.
>
> ianbicking did a great comparison years ago but it still stands:
> http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/03/30/python-html-parser-performance/
>
> and an update:
>
> http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/12/10/lxml-an-underappreciated-web-scraping-library/
>
> Basically: lxml is fast as hell, (uses libxml2 under the hood)low memory
> footprint, and very forgiving of wacky html, better than Beautiful Soup.
>
> I think pyquery actually uses lxml under the hood? or at least libxml2?
>
>
> Alec
>
>
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From kevin.daluz at gazillion.com  Fri Jan 29 02:41:11 2010
From: kevin.daluz at gazillion.com (Kevin da Luz)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:41:11 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Tkinter trouble - scrolling canvas with mouse wheel
Message-ID: <B43C692AF9D16943967CFD30D1F61CFC01339371@hq-ex02.hq-california.com>

Hi fellow piggies,

 

I am having trouble getting a canvas to scroll using the mouse wheel.
Can anyone offer an explanation to why this isn't working for me? Sample
code attached.

 

- Kevin da Luz

 

 

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From baig.hassan at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 07:17:48 2010
From: baig.hassan at gmail.com (Hassan Baig)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:17:48 +0500
Subject: [Baypiggies] Crossdomain.xml problem
Message-ID: <6fa835a81001282217v2571af7dw3442b4840eb428b5@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy folks,

I have a crossdomain.xml problem I was hoping any of you gurus could help
solve.

The main problem is , the website essentially apps.facebook.com does not
give a crossdomain.xml so you cannot directly retrieve a data driven xml
from there. You need to setup a proxy which calls apps.facebook.com and
retrieves the data for you creating the xml on your server. Then sends it to
flash.

A similar method is used at
http://www.switchonthecode.com/tutorials/using-a-php-proxy-with-flex-to-talk-cross-domain
.
I just need the python conversion of the code and how to redirect the
render.

Any pointers?

-Hassan Baig
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From puruiw at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 29 07:50:49 2010
From: puruiw at yahoo.com (Purui Wang)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 22:50:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Baypiggies] Tkinter trouble - scrolling canvas with mouse wheel
In-Reply-To: <B43C692AF9D16943967CFD30D1F61CFC01339371@hq-ex02.hq-california.com>
References: <B43C692AF9D16943967CFD30D1F61CFC01339371@hq-ex02.hq-california.com>
Message-ID: <845411.13568.qm@web45003.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I never used tkinter, but I found a sample though my search engine that works. I tested on Ubuntu9.10.

http://nullege.com/codes/show/src%40quisk-3.3.1%40quisk_tk.py/562/Tkinter.Canvas.bind

- Purui




________________________________
From: Kevin da Luz <kevin.daluz at gazillion.com>
To: baypiggies at python.org
Sent: Thu, January 28, 2010 5:41:11 PM
Subject: [Baypiggies] Tkinter trouble - scrolling canvas with mouse wheel

 
Hi fellow piggies,
 
I am having trouble getting a canvas to scroll using the
mouse wheel. Can anyone offer an explanation to why this isn?t working
for me? Sample code attached.
 
- Kevin da Luz
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Fri Jan 29 15:02:16 2010
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 09:02:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Baypiggies] FINAL REMINDER: OSCON 2010: Call for Proposals
Message-ID: <20100129140216.1627530587@mailbackend.panix.com>

Deadline: Feb 1, 2010

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From ahk1212 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 30 23:12:45 2010
From: ahk1212 at yahoo.com (Andrew Klein)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:12:45 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Contract job opportunity - Django / Python CMS
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I am looking for a django / python architect / engineering lead to oversee the construction of a high traffic CMS backed public web site. Design starts now. Launch is in April or thereabouts. I am ideally looking for someone in the San Francisco bay area but that is not a requirement. I am also willing to consider hiring a development company to do the work as we may decide not to hire a team in house. If you are interested and available during this time frame, please respond to this email with a brief resume and a couple of URLs that point to recent work.
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From jeff.enderwick at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 23:58:48 2010
From: jeff.enderwick at gmail.com (Jeff Enderwick)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:58:48 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] HTML Parsers (n00b)
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I've used beautiful soup to programmatically extract content from word docs
saved as HTML - yuck!!!
Beautiful Soup performed ... beautifully :-). Speed was NOT a consideration
for me, though.

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Jeff Kunce <jjkunce at gmail.com> wrote:

> No question about lxml's speed.  I'm using it (as part of Deliverance) on a
> current project to re-theme a website on the fly.
>
> But for day-to-day use, it's Beautiful Soup.  I can't resist pure python :)
>
>   -- Jeff
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Alec Flett <alecf at flett.org> wrote:
>
>> lxml is awesome, don't be fooled by the name - it has great understanding
>> of HTML, even malformed.
>>
>> ianbicking did a great comparison years ago but it still stands:
>> http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/03/30/python-html-parser-performance/
>>
>> and an update:
>>
>> http://blog.ianbicking.org/2008/12/10/lxml-an-underappreciated-web-scraping-library/
>>
>> Basically: lxml is fast as hell, (uses libxml2 under the hood)low memory
>> footprint, and very forgiving of wacky html, better than Beautiful Soup.
>>
>> I think pyquery actually uses lxml under the hood? or at least libxml2?
>>
>>
>> Alec
>>
>>
>
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