From bdbaddog at gmail.com  Mon Mar  1 02:35:16 2010
From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:35:16 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Tonight's Newbie Nugget on Code Quality
In-Reply-To: <e58a4bea1002252301o212d6387t826e83184fc4f5d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e58a4bea1002252301o212d6387t826e83184fc4f5d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8540148a1002281735nebca2f5r401ab9ffa0511c23@mail.gmail.com>

Linked to this from the event page:
http://baypiggies.net/index_html/eventfolder/baypiggies-meeting-feb-25-2010

-Bill

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Simeon Franklin <simeonf at gmail.com> wrote:

> I posted the text for my newbie nugget to my blog at
> http://simeonfranklin.com/blog/2010/feb/25/python-code-quality/
>
> I also included links to Clonedigger and Pygenie and the entire 3.7 Mb
> clonedigger report on Django trunk if anybody is interested...
>
> -regards
> Simeon Franklin
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From bdbaddog at gmail.com  Mon Mar  1 03:11:21 2010
From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:11:21 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
Message-ID: <8540148a1002281811u2788966fh4a7ff85a203ca568@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,

I've been maintaining the Baypiggies website for a while.
Currently it's running Plone.

Of late it's been throwing some error messages which are beyond my Plone
knowledge level to resolve.
If there are any Baypiggies members who are very familiar with Plone please
send me a message off list to (bdbaddog at gmail.com)
Or if anyone could suggest another (preferably  written in python) CMS to
use?

For those who don't know, the website has a the following content:

   1. Job listings <http://baypiggies.net/index_html/job-listings>
   2. Book Reviews<http://baypiggies.net/index_html/user-group-association-program/BookReviews>
   3. RSS Feed for baypiggies
events<http://www.baypiggies.net/index_html/events/RSS>
   4. Just Added: Slides from Baypiggies Presentations
   <http://baypiggies.net/index_html/eventfolder/slides>*
   *


If you're a former (or future) presenter and would like to have a link to
your blog and/or have your slides hosted and linked to from the event,
please send me email off list.

Thanks,
Bill
(Baypiggies.net webminator)
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From donnamsnow at gmail.com  Mon Mar  1 03:28:28 2010
From: donnamsnow at gmail.com (Donna Snow)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:28:28 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
In-Reply-To: <8540148a1002281811u2788966fh4a7ff85a203ca568@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8540148a1002281811u2788966fh4a7ff85a203ca568@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <baf0d46b1002281828w1a96bef8w2bee79d2c4bf743c@mail.gmail.com>

There is a decent DjangoCMS http://www.django-cms.org/ that could be used
instead. Although I've used Plone for a long, long time I'm leaning toward
only using it for larger installs (intranets, large application builds that
require heavy resources anyway) I'm finding it's overkill for most projects
but works really well for larger installations (We build an app for CalTrans
on it) So might be time to go Django and put the Plone site to rest. I don't
have the time to maintain the Plone site (even in 3+ mode) I think our
Pythonista's would be more comfortable with a python based site with a
relational database (rather than object oriented) though Tony will have to
move his book reviews..but we can export his reviews into xml format - does
anyone know if we can import into Django once we've exported as xml?

Donna M Snow, Principal
C Squared Enterprises
illuminating your path to Open Source
(websites are being rebuilt)

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:11 PM, William Deegan <bdbaddog at gmail.com> wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I've been maintaining the Baypiggies website for a while.
> Currently it's running Plone.
>
> Of late it's been throwing some error messages which are beyond my Plone
> knowledge level to resolve.
> If there are any Baypiggies members who are very familiar with Plone please
> send me a message off list to (bdbaddog at gmail.com)
> Or if anyone could suggest another (preferably  written in python) CMS to
> use?
>
> For those who don't know, the website has a the following content:
>
>    1. Job listings <http://baypiggies.net/index_html/job-listings>
>    2. Book Reviews<http://baypiggies.net/index_html/user-group-association-program/BookReviews>
>    3. RSS Feed for baypiggies events<http://www.baypiggies.net/index_html/events/RSS>
>    4. Just Added: Slides from Baypiggies Presentations
>    <http://baypiggies.net/index_html/eventfolder/slides>*
>    *
>
>
> If you're a former (or future) presenter and would like to have a link to
> your blog and/or have your slides hosted and linked to from the event,
> please send me email off list.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
> (Baypiggies.net webminator)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
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From bdbaddog at gmail.com  Mon Mar  1 03:41:18 2010
From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:41:18 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
In-Reply-To: <baf0d46b1002281828w1a96bef8w2bee79d2c4bf743c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8540148a1002281811u2788966fh4a7ff85a203ca568@mail.gmail.com>
	<baf0d46b1002281828w1a96bef8w2bee79d2c4bf743c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8540148a1002281841r7fd6e729jaa16ac6abaea7151@mail.gmail.com>

Donna,

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Donna Snow <donnamsnow at gmail.com> wrote:

> There is a decent DjangoCMS http://www.django-cms.org/ that could be used
> instead. Although I've used Plone for a long, long time I'm leaning toward
> only using it for larger installs (intranets, large application builds that
> require heavy resources anyway) I'm finding it's overkill for most projects
> but works really well for larger installations (We build an app for CalTrans
> on it) So might be time to go Django and put the Plone site to rest. I don't
> have the time to maintain the Plone site (even in 3+ mode) I think our
> Pythonista's would be more comfortable with a python based site with a
> relational database (rather than object oriented) though Tony will have to
> move his book reviews..but we can export his reviews into xml format - does
> anyone know if we can import into Django once we've exported as xml?
>

I've actually been adding the book reviews as well.
I've written some logic to export the content as xml as well.

I think it wouldn't be to hard to hack up a converter to insert it into a
DB.
I'd really like to write something for GAE and use that.

-Bill


>
> Donna M Snow, Principal
> C Squared Enterprises
> illuminating your path to Open Source
> (websites are being rebuilt)
>
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:11 PM, William Deegan <bdbaddog at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I've been maintaining the Baypiggies website for a while.
>> Currently it's running Plone.
>>
>> Of late it's been throwing some error messages which are beyond my Plone
>> knowledge level to resolve.
>> If there are any Baypiggies members who are very familiar with Plone
>> please send me a message off list to (bdbaddog at gmail.com)
>> Or if anyone could suggest another (preferably  written in python) CMS to
>> use?
>>
>> For those who don't know, the website has a the following content:
>>
>>    1. Job listings <http://baypiggies.net/index_html/job-listings>
>>    2. Book Reviews<http://baypiggies.net/index_html/user-group-association-program/BookReviews>
>>    3. RSS Feed for baypiggies events<http://www.baypiggies.net/index_html/events/RSS>
>>    4. Just Added: Slides from Baypiggies Presentations
>>    <http://baypiggies.net/index_html/eventfolder/slides>*
>>    *
>>
>>
>> If you're a former (or future) presenter and would like to have a link to
>> your blog and/or have your slides hosted and linked to from the event,
>> please send me email off list.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>> (Baypiggies.net webminator)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> Baypiggies at python.org
>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>>
>
>
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From max at theslimmers.net  Mon Mar  1 18:46:08 2010
From: max at theslimmers.net (Max Slimmer)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 09:46:08 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
In-Reply-To: <8540148a1002281841r7fd6e729jaa16ac6abaea7151@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8540148a1002281811u2788966fh4a7ff85a203ca568@mail.gmail.com> 
	<baf0d46b1002281828w1a96bef8w2bee79d2c4bf743c@mail.gmail.com> 
	<8540148a1002281841r7fd6e729jaa16ac6abaea7151@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bc5154611003010946s4f353cas86a3acfc2985df92@mail.gmail.com>

I've been working with web2py recently, if we wanted the option of running
under GAE, it is a one liner.


-Max



On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:41 PM, William Deegan <bdbaddog at gmail.com> wrote:

> Donna,
>
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Donna Snow <donnamsnow at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> There is a decent DjangoCMS http://www.django-cms.org/ that could be used
>> instead. Although I've used Plone for a long, long time I'm leaning toward
>> only using it for larger installs (intranets, large application builds that
>> require heavy resources anyway) I'm finding it's overkill for most projects
>> but works really well for larger installations (We build an app for CalTrans
>> on it) So might be time to go Django and put the Plone site to rest. I don't
>> have the time to maintain the Plone site (even in 3+ mode) I think our
>> Pythonista's would be more comfortable with a python based site with a
>> relational database (rather than object oriented) though Tony will have to
>> move his book reviews..but we can export his reviews into xml format - does
>> anyone know if we can import into Django once we've exported as xml?
>>
>
> I've actually been adding the book reviews as well.
> I've written some logic to export the content as xml as well.
>
> I think it wouldn't be to hard to hack up a converter to insert it into a
> DB.
> I'd really like to write something for GAE and use that.
>
> -Bill
>
>
>>
>> Donna M Snow, Principal
>> C Squared Enterprises
>> illuminating your path to Open Source
>> (websites are being rebuilt)
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 6:11 PM, William Deegan <bdbaddog at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings,
>>>
>>> I've been maintaining the Baypiggies website for a while.
>>> Currently it's running Plone.
>>>
>>> Of late it's been throwing some error messages which are beyond my Plone
>>> knowledge level to resolve.
>>> If there are any Baypiggies members who are very familiar with Plone
>>> please send me a message off list to (bdbaddog at gmail.com)
>>> Or if anyone could suggest another (preferably  written in python) CMS to
>>> use?
>>>
>>> For those who don't know, the website has a the following content:
>>>
>>>    1. Job listings <http://baypiggies.net/index_html/job-listings>
>>>    2. Book Reviews<http://baypiggies.net/index_html/user-group-association-program/BookReviews>
>>>    3. RSS Feed for baypiggies events<http://www.baypiggies.net/index_html/events/RSS>
>>>    4. Just Added: Slides from Baypiggies Presentations
>>>    <http://baypiggies.net/index_html/eventfolder/slides>*
>>>    *
>>>
>>>
>>> If you're a former (or future) presenter and would like to have a link to
>>> your blog and/or have your slides hosted and linked to from the event,
>>> please send me email off list.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Bill
>>> (Baypiggies.net webminator)
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Baypiggies mailing list
>>> Baypiggies at python.org
>>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
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From keith at dartworks.biz  Mon Mar  1 19:03:07 2010
From: keith at dartworks.biz (Keith Dart)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 10:03:07 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
In-Reply-To: <bc5154611003010946s4f353cas86a3acfc2985df92@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8540148a1002281811u2788966fh4a7ff85a203ca568@mail.gmail.com>
	<baf0d46b1002281828w1a96bef8w2bee79d2c4bf743c@mail.gmail.com>
	<8540148a1002281841r7fd6e729jaa16ac6abaea7151@mail.gmail.com>
	<bc5154611003010946s4f353cas86a3acfc2985df92@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100301100307.58e56d6b@dartworks.biz>

=== On Mon, 03/01, Max Slimmer wrote: ===
> I've been working with web2py recently, if we wanted the option of
> running under GAE, it is a one liner.

===

How about a home-grown solution? Maybe we can start with the Pycopia
web framework? ;-) It also works with GAE. This framework is more "code
oriented". You write dynamic pages in pure Python. 



-- Keith Dart

-- 
-- --------------------
Keith Dart
<keith at dartworks.biz>
=======================

From rami.chowdhury at gmail.com  Mon Mar  1 19:16:33 2010
From: rami.chowdhury at gmail.com (Rami Chowdhury)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 10:16:33 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
In-Reply-To: <20100301100307.58e56d6b@dartworks.biz>
References: <8540148a1002281811u2788966fh4a7ff85a203ca568@mail.gmail.com>
	<bc5154611003010946s4f353cas86a3acfc2985df92@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100301100307.58e56d6b@dartworks.biz>
Message-ID: <201003011016.33528.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>

On Monday 01 March 2010 10:03:07 Keith Dart wrote:
> === On Mon, 03/01, Max Slimmer wrote: ===
> 
> > I've been working with web2py recently, if we wanted the option of
> > running under GAE, it is a one liner.
> 
> ===
> 
> How about a home-grown solution? 

Why not start from scratch and build our own new framework ;-)?


----
Rami Chowdhury
"Ninety percent of everything is crap." -- Sturgeon's Law
408-597-7068 (US) / 07875-841-046 (UK) / 01819-245544 (BD)

From tony at tcapp.com  Mon Mar  1 19:20:30 2010
From: tony at tcapp.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 10:20:30 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
In-Reply-To: <20100301100307.58e56d6b@dartworks.biz>
References: <8540148a1002281811u2788966fh4a7ff85a203ca568@mail.gmail.com>
	<baf0d46b1002281828w1a96bef8w2bee79d2c4bf743c@mail.gmail.com>
	<8540148a1002281841r7fd6e729jaa16ac6abaea7151@mail.gmail.com>
	<bc5154611003010946s4f353cas86a3acfc2985df92@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100301100307.58e56d6b@dartworks.biz>
Message-ID: <8249c4ac1003011020h22e42672l4c4bac779a110162@mail.gmail.com>

Home grown solutions are great, if the home grower is volunteering to do the
work, and maintain the site.
History shows reality is just the opposite.

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Keith Dart <keith at dartworks.biz> wrote:

> === On Mon, 03/01, Max Slimmer wrote: ===
> > I've been working with web2py recently, if we wanted the option of
> > running under GAE, it is a one liner.
>
> ===
>
> How about a home-grown solution? Maybe we can start with the Pycopia
> web framework? ;-) It also works with GAE. This framework is more "code
> oriented". You write dynamic pages in pure Python.
>
>
>
> -- Keith Dart
>
> --
> -- --------------------
> Keith Dart
> <keith at dartworks.biz>
> =======================
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
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From tony at tcapp.com  Mon Mar  1 19:34:48 2010
From: tony at tcapp.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 10:34:48 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
In-Reply-To: <201003011016.33528.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
References: <8540148a1002281811u2788966fh4a7ff85a203ca568@mail.gmail.com>
	<bc5154611003010946s4f353cas86a3acfc2985df92@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100301100307.58e56d6b@dartworks.biz>
	<201003011016.33528.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8249c4ac1003011034o5f7358c7y32b2104f013d0b98@mail.gmail.com>

There are already too many web frameworks out there.
We don't need another one. We just need one that works, and someone to do
the work.

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Rami Chowdhury <rami.chowdhury at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Monday 01 March 2010 10:03:07 Keith Dart wrote:
> > === On Mon, 03/01, Max Slimmer wrote: ===
> >
> > > I've been working with web2py recently, if we wanted the option of
> > > running under GAE, it is a one liner.
> >
> > ===
> >
> > How about a home-grown solution?
>
> Why not start from scratch and build our own new framework ;-)?
>
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From keith at dartworks.biz  Mon Mar  1 19:45:02 2010
From: keith at dartworks.biz (Keith Dart)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 10:45:02 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac1003011020h22e42672l4c4bac779a110162@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8540148a1002281811u2788966fh4a7ff85a203ca568@mail.gmail.com>
	<baf0d46b1002281828w1a96bef8w2bee79d2c4bf743c@mail.gmail.com>
	<8540148a1002281841r7fd6e729jaa16ac6abaea7151@mail.gmail.com>
	<bc5154611003010946s4f353cas86a3acfc2985df92@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100301100307.58e56d6b@dartworks.biz>
	<8249c4ac1003011020h22e42672l4c4bac779a110162@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100301104502.15add117@dartworks.biz>

=== On Mon, 03/01, Tony Cappellini wrote: ===
> Home grown solutions are great, if the home grower is volunteering to
> do the work, and maintain the site.History shows reality is just the
> opposite.
===

Well, I _am_ maintaining that one. But on the other hand it might not
be a good fit for this since it is designed to be a flexible,
lightweight framework that works securely in an embedded or dedicated
appliance device. 

But it is home grown. :-)



-- Keith Dart

-- 
-- --------------------
Keith Dart
<keith at dartworks.biz>
=======================

From fred at bsdhost.net  Mon Mar  1 19:28:13 2010
From: fred at bsdhost.net (Fred C)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 10:28:13 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
In-Reply-To: <201003011016.33528.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
References: <8540148a1002281811u2788966fh4a7ff85a203ca568@mail.gmail.com>
	<bc5154611003010946s4f353cas86a3acfc2985df92@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100301100307.58e56d6b@dartworks.biz>
	<201003011016.33528.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1E9224D-26DD-40B4-B8B7-A5C6915031CE@bsdhost.net>


On Mar 1, 2010, at 10:16 AM, Rami Chowdhury wrote:

> On Monday 01 March 2010 10:03:07 Keith Dart wrote:
>> === On Mon, 03/01, Max Slimmer wrote: ===
>> 
>>> I've been working with web2py recently, if we wanted the option of
>>> running under GAE, it is a one liner.
>> 
>> ===
>> 
>> How about a home-grown solution? 
> 
> Why not start from scratch and build our own new framework ;-)?

It seems that every one starting a new website project with Python wants to write his own framework. If you guys want to be crazy, at least be completely crazy and write it in Ruby.

-fred-


From rich at noir.com  Mon Mar  1 19:57:39 2010
From: rich at noir.com (K. Richard Pixley)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 10:57:39 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
In-Reply-To: <E1E9224D-26DD-40B4-B8B7-A5C6915031CE@bsdhost.net>
References: <8540148a1002281811u2788966fh4a7ff85a203ca568@mail.gmail.com>	<bc5154611003010946s4f353cas86a3acfc2985df92@mail.gmail.com>	<20100301100307.58e56d6b@dartworks.biz>	<201003011016.33528.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4B8C0E23.2030300@noir.com>

Fred C wrote:
> On Mar 1, 2010, at 10:16 AM, Rami Chowdhury wrote
>> On Monday 01 March 2010 10:03:07 Keith Dart wrote:
>>     
>>> === On Mon, 03/01, Max Slimmer wrote: ===
>>>
>>>       
>>>> I've been working with web2py recently, if we wanted the option of
>>>> running under GAE, it is a one liner.
>>>>         
>>> ===
>>>
>>> How about a home-grown solution? 
>>>       
>> Why not start from scratch and build our own new framework ;-)?
>>     
>
> It seems that every one starting a new website project with Python wants to write his own framework. If you guys want to be crazy, at least be completely crazy and write it in Ruby.
And here I was thinking we should develop our own language for the 
project.  Then we'd be certain to need a new framework for the new language.

If we're going to recycle an old language, I nominate mercury, 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_%28programming_language%29).

--rich
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From rami.chowdhury at gmail.com  Mon Mar  1 19:59:08 2010
From: rami.chowdhury at gmail.com (Rami Chowdhury)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 10:59:08 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac1003011033t29d0929ahad6a1c6c444b23f8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8540148a1002281811u2788966fh4a7ff85a203ca568@mail.gmail.com>
	<201003011016.33528.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
	<8249c4ac1003011033t29d0929ahad6a1c6c444b23f8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201003011059.08138.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>

On Monday 01 March 2010 10:33:57 Tony Cappellini wrote:
> Are you volunteering to do this?
> 

Sorry, irony doesn't come across well on the Internet. I was just referring to 
the multiplicity of home-grown frameworks that we already have in the Python 
world ;-)

I'm personally +1 to use something like Django or Web2py -- something familiar 
and therefore maintainable.

> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Rami Chowdhury 
<rami.chowdhury at gmail.com>wrote:
> > On Monday 01 March 2010 10:03:07 Keith Dart wrote:
> > > === On Mon, 03/01, Max Slimmer wrote: ===
> > > 
> > > > I've been working with web2py recently, if we wanted the option of
> > > > running under GAE, it is a one liner.
> > > 
> > > ===
> > > 
> > > How about a home-grown solution?
> > 
> > Why not start from scratch and build our own new framework ;-)?
> > 
> > 
> > ----
> > Rami Chowdhury
> > "Ninety percent of everything is crap." -- Sturgeon's Law
> > 408-597-7068 (US) / 07875-841-046 (UK) / 01819-245544 (BD)
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies


----
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"A man with a watch knows what time it is. A man with two watches is never 
sure". -- Segal's Law
408-597-7068 (US) / 07875-841-046 (UK) / 01819-245544 (BD)

From rich at noir.com  Mon Mar  1 19:59:20 2010
From: rich at noir.com (K. Richard Pixley)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 10:59:20 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] More dramatic material?
In-Reply-To: <20100227172125.APD25823@ms1.mc.surewest.net>
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Message-ID: <4B8C0E88.9010306@noir.com>

Pretty much any of the parser generators can make this claim.

--rich

larryt at winfirst.com wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Before this recent thread about regular expressions gets too cold, I'm looking for a python project whose goal was/is to mostly replace need to use re's.  It showed up in some list or other a year or more ago, and I only had time to glance at it then.  In that quick look it didn't appear to be a regular expression builder.  I've tried to find it since, but without success.  Does anybody recall something like that? 
>
> thanks,
> larry
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From keith at dartworks.biz  Mon Mar  1 20:00:26 2010
From: keith at dartworks.biz (Keith Dart)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:00:26 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
In-Reply-To: <4B8C0E23.2030300@noir.com>
References: <8540148a1002281811u2788966fh4a7ff85a203ca568@mail.gmail.com>
	<bc5154611003010946s4f353cas86a3acfc2985df92@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100301100307.58e56d6b@dartworks.biz>
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=== On Mon, 03/01, K. Richard Pixley wrote: ===
> If we're going to recycle an old language, I nominate mercury,
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_%28programming_language%29).
===

I nominate Boo. 

http://boo.codehaus.org/

:-)

-- Keith Dart

-- 
-- --------------------
Keith Dart
<keith at dartworks.biz>
=======================

From voidref at gmail.com  Mon Mar  1 20:00:57 2010
From: voidref at gmail.com (Alan Westbrook)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:00:57 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
In-Reply-To: <4B8C0E23.2030300@noir.com>
References: <8540148a1002281811u2788966fh4a7ff85a203ca568@mail.gmail.com> 
	<bc5154611003010946s4f353cas86a3acfc2985df92@mail.gmail.com> 
	<20100301100307.58e56d6b@dartworks.biz>
	<201003011016.33528.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com> 
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On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 10:57 AM, K. Richard Pixley <rich at noir.com> wrote:
> Fred C wrote:
>
> On Mar 1, 2010, at 10:16 AM, Rami Chowdhury wrote
>
> On Monday 01 March 2010 10:03:07 Keith Dart wrote:
>
>
> === On Mon, 03/01, Max Slimmer wrote: ===
>
>
>
> I've been working with web2py recently, if we wanted the option of
> running under GAE, it is a one liner.
>
>
> ===
>
> How about a home-grown solution?
>
>
> Why not start from scratch and build our own new framework ;-)?
>
>
> It seems that every one starting a new website project with Python wants to
> write his own framework. If you guys want to be crazy, at least be
> completely crazy and write it in Ruby.
>
> And here I was thinking we should develop our own language for the project.
> Then we'd be certain to need a new framework for the new language.
>
> If we're going to recycle an old language, I nominate mercury,
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_%28programming_language%29).
>
> --rich

If we design a new OS, we can custom tailor the language to take
advantage of the ingenious features of it!

From spmcinerney at hotmail.com  Mon Mar  1 20:02:26 2010
From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen McInerney)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:02:26 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
In-Reply-To: <201003011059.08138.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
References: <8540148a1002281811u2788966fh4a7ff85a203ca568@mail.gmail.com>,
	<201003011016.33528.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>,
	<8249c4ac1003011033t29d0929ahad6a1c6c444b23f8@mail.gmail.com>,
	<201003011059.08138.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY111-W740128EF8494C816D4614A03C0@phx.gbl>


+1 to Django - to allow/encourage other maintainers and developers.
We might as well use the latest greatest dogfood.

Stephen

> From: rami.chowdhury at gmail.com
> To: tony at tcapp.com
> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 10:59:08 -0800
> CC: baypiggies at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
> 
> On Monday 01 March 2010 10:33:57 Tony Cappellini wrote:
> > Are you volunteering to do this?
> > 
> 
> Sorry, irony doesn't come across well on the Internet. I was just referring to 
> the multiplicity of home-grown frameworks that we already have in the Python 
> world ;-)
> 
> I'm personally +1 to use something like Django or Web2py -- something familiar 
> and therefore maintainable.
> 
> > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Rami Chowdhury 
> <rami.chowdhury at gmail.com>wrote:
> > > On Monday 01 March 2010 10:03:07 Keith Dart wrote:
> > > > === On Mon, 03/01, Max Slimmer wrote: ===
> > > > 
> > > > > I've been working with web2py recently, if we wanted the option of
> > > > > running under GAE, it is a one liner.
> > > > 
> > > > ===
> > > > 
> > > > How about a home-grown solution?
> > > 
> > > Why not start from scratch and build our own new framework ;-)?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----
> > > Rami Chowdhury
> > > "Ninety percent of everything is crap." -- Sturgeon's Law
> > > 408-597-7068 (US) / 07875-841-046 (UK) / 01819-245544 (BD)
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Baypiggies mailing list
> > > Baypiggies at python.org
> > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
> 
> 
> ----
> Rami Chowdhury
> "A man with a watch knows what time it is. A man with two watches is never 
> sure". -- Segal's Law
> 408-597-7068 (US) / 07875-841-046 (UK) / 01819-245544 (BD)
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
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From bdbaddog at gmail.com  Mon Mar  1 20:12:34 2010
From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:12:34 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
In-Reply-To: <BAY111-W740128EF8494C816D4614A03C0@phx.gbl>
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	<201003011016.33528.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
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How hard is it to run Django on GAE?

Have we had a talk on that yet?
;)

-Bill

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Stephen McInerney
<spmcinerney at hotmail.com>wrote:

>  +1 to Django - to allow/encourage other maintainers and developers.
> We might as well use the latest greatest dogfood.
>
> Stephen
>
> > From: rami.chowdhury at gmail.com
> > To: tony at tcapp.com
> > Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 10:59:08 -0800
> > CC: baypiggies at python.org
> > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
>
> >
> > On Monday 01 March 2010 10:33:57 Tony Cappellini wrote:
> > > Are you volunteering to do this?
> > >
> >
> > Sorry, irony doesn't come across well on the Internet. I was just
> referring to
> > the multiplicity of home-grown frameworks that we already have in the
> Python
> > world ;-)
> >
> > I'm personally +1 to use something like Django or Web2py -- something
> familiar
> > and therefore maintainable.
> >
> > > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Rami Chowdhury
> > <rami.chowdhury at gmail.com>wrote:
> > > > On Monday 01 March 2010 10:03:07 Keith Dart wrote:
> > > > > === On Mon, 03/01, Max Slimmer wrote: ===
> > > > >
> > > > > > I've been working with web2py recently, if we wanted the option
> of
> > > > > > running under GAE, it is a one liner.
> > > > >
> > > > > ===
> > > > >
> > > > > How about a home-grown solution?
> > > >
> > > > Why not start from scratch and build our own new framework ;-)?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----
> > > > Rami Chowdhury
> > > > "Ninety percent of everything is crap." -- Sturgeon's Law
> > > > 408-597-7068 (US) / 07875-841-046 (UK) / 01819-245544 (BD)
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Baypiggies mailing list
> > > > Baypiggies at python.org
> > > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
> >
> >
> > ----
> > Rami Chowdhury
> > "A man with a watch knows what time it is. A man with two watches is
> never
> > sure". -- Segal's Law
> > 408-597-7068 (US) / 07875-841-046 (UK) / 01819-245544 (BD)
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Baypiggies at python.org
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From spmcinerney at hotmail.com  Mon Mar  1 20:13:51 2010
From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen McInerney)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:13:51 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
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	<201003011059.08138.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>,
	<BAY111-W740128EF8494C816D4614A03C0@phx.gbl>,
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How about seeing the dog-and-pony show on that BEFORE we consider migrating :)

Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:12:34 -0800
Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
From: bdbaddog at gmail.com
To: spmcinerney at hotmail.com
CC: rami.chowdhury at gmail.com; tony at tcapp.com; baypiggies at python.org

How hard is it to run Django on GAE?

Have we had a talk on that yet?
;)

-Bill

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Stephen McInerney <spmcinerney at hotmail.com> wrote:






+1 to Django - to allow/encourage other maintainers and developers.
We might as well use the latest greatest dogfood.

Stephen

> From: rami.chowdhury at gmail.com

> To: tony at tcapp.com
> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 10:59:08 -0800
> CC: baypiggies at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site

> 
> On Monday 01 March 2010 10:33:57 Tony Cappellini wrote:
> > Are you volunteering to do this?
> > 
> 
> Sorry, irony doesn't come across well on the Internet. I was just referring to 

> the multiplicity of home-grown frameworks that we already have in the Python 
> world ;-)
> 
> I'm personally +1 to use something like Django or Web2py -- something familiar 
> and therefore maintainable.

> 
> > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Rami Chowdhury 
> <rami.chowdhury at gmail.com>wrote:
> > > On Monday 01 March 2010 10:03:07 Keith Dart wrote:

> > > > === On Mon, 03/01, Max Slimmer wrote: ===
> > > > 
> > > > > I've been working with web2py recently, if we wanted the option of
> > > > > running under GAE, it is a one liner.

> > > > 
> > > > ===
> > > > 
> > > > How about a home-grown solution?
> > > 
> > > Why not start from scratch and build our own new framework ;-)?

> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----
> > > Rami Chowdhury
> > > "Ninety percent of everything is crap." -- Sturgeon's Law
> > > 408-597-7068 (US) / 07875-841-046 (UK) / 01819-245544 (BD)

> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Baypiggies mailing list
> > > Baypiggies at python.org
> > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:

> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
> 
> 
> ----
> Rami Chowdhury
> "A man with a watch knows what time it is. A man with two watches is never 

> sure". -- Segal's Law
> 408-597-7068 (US) / 07875-841-046 (UK) / 01819-245544 (BD)
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org

> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
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From keith at dartworks.biz  Mon Mar  1 20:16:06 2010
From: keith at dartworks.biz (Keith Dart)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:16:06 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
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=== On Mon, 03/01, William Deegan wrote: ===
> How hard is it to run Django on GAE?Have we had a talk on that yet?
===

GAE is based on Django. The API is virtually identical. The main
difference is big-tables back-end storage vs. a relational database. 

 

-- Keith Dart

-- 
-- --------------------
Keith Dart
<keith at dartworks.biz>
=======================

From rami.chowdhury at gmail.com  Mon Mar  1 20:19:58 2010
From: rami.chowdhury at gmail.com (Rami Chowdhury)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:19:58 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
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References: <8540148a1002281811u2788966fh4a7ff85a203ca568@mail.gmail.com>
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On Monday 01 March 2010 11:12:34 William Deegan wrote:
> How hard is it to run Django on GAE?
> 

Apparently it's doable -- there's a fairly active project here: 
http://code.google.com/p/google-app-engine-django/

There's also apparently the Kay Framework, which is designed specifically to 
be Django-like but for GAE... and uses a lot of the existing Python web app 
ecosystem:
http://code.google.com/p/kay-framework/

> Have we had a talk on that yet?
> ;)
> 
> -Bill
> 
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Stephen McInerney
> 
> <spmcinerney at hotmail.com>wrote:
> >  +1 to Django - to allow/encourage other maintainers and developers.
> > 
> > We might as well use the latest greatest dogfood.
> > 
> > Stephen
> > 
> > > From: rami.chowdhury at gmail.com
> > > To: tony at tcapp.com
> > > Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 10:59:08 -0800
> > > CC: baypiggies at python.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
> > > 
> > > On Monday 01 March 2010 10:33:57 Tony Cappellini wrote:
> > > > Are you volunteering to do this?
> > > 
> > > Sorry, irony doesn't come across well on the Internet. I was just
> > 
> > referring to
> > 
> > > the multiplicity of home-grown frameworks that we already have in the
> > 
> > Python
> > 
> > > world ;-)
> > > 
> > > I'm personally +1 to use something like Django or Web2py -- something
> > 
> > familiar
> > 
> > > and therefore maintainable.
> > > 
> > > > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Rami Chowdhury
> > > 
> > > <rami.chowdhury at gmail.com>wrote:
> > > > > On Monday 01 March 2010 10:03:07 Keith Dart wrote:
> > > > > > === On Mon, 03/01, Max Slimmer wrote: ===
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I've been working with web2py recently, if we wanted the option
> > 
> > of
> > 
> > > > > > > running under GAE, it is a one liner.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ===
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > How about a home-grown solution?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Why not start from scratch and build our own new framework ;-)?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ----
> > > > > Rami Chowdhury
> > > > > "Ninety percent of everything is crap." -- Sturgeon's Law
> > > > > 408-597-7068 (US) / 07875-841-046 (UK) / 01819-245544 (BD)
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
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> > > 
> > > ----
> > > Rami Chowdhury
> > > "A man with a watch knows what time it is. A man with two watches is
> > 
> > never
> > 
> > > sure". -- Segal's Law
> > > 408-597-7068 (US) / 07875-841-046 (UK) / 01819-245544 (BD)
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From rich at noir.com  Mon Mar  1 20:20:05 2010
From: rich at noir.com (K. Richard Pixley)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 11:20:05 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
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	<201003011059.08138.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
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Rami Chowdhury wrote:
> I'm personally +1 to use something like Django or Web2py -- something familiar 
> and therefore maintainable.
>   
It also needs to be sufficiently modern and sexy enough to attract new 
volunteers.  Ie, something people /want/ to work in.

--rich
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From rich at noir.com  Mon Mar  1 20:30:32 2010
From: rich at noir.com (K. Richard Pixley)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 11:30:32 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
In-Reply-To: <4B8C1365.5020403@noir.com>
References: <8540148a1002281811u2788966fh4a7ff85a203ca568@mail.gmail.com>	<201003011016.33528.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>	<8249c4ac1003011033t29d0929ahad6a1c6c444b23f8@mail.gmail.com>	<201003011059.08138.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
	<4B8C1365.5020403@noir.com>
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K. Richard Pixley wrote:
> Rami Chowdhury wrote:
>> I'm personally +1 to use something like Django or Web2py -- something familiar 
>> and therefore maintainable.
>>   
> It also needs to be sufficiently modern and sexy enough to attract new 
> volunteers.  Ie, something people /want/ to work in.
I should probably clarify.  I don't really know what the right answer is 
nor do I even have a proposal.  I just wanted to temper the advice for 
something stable, familiar, and maintainable, (ie, potentially tired or 
boring), with the need for motivation and attraction.  The right choice 
for the group might be a balance between those things.

Then again, the right choice might just be to see who volunteers and 
what they propose to use.

--rich
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From slander at unworkable.org  Mon Mar  1 20:38:00 2010
From: slander at unworkable.org (Harry Tormey)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:38:00 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyGameSF meetup Tuesday March 2nd 6pm @ the strong
 room in the Main San Francisco Public Library (Tomorrow)
Message-ID: <20100301193800.GB14136@unworkable.org>

Hi All,
The March PyGameSF meet up will be at the STONG conference room on the
first floor of the main San Francisco public library beside civic
center BART. The library closes at 8pm so we will reconvene to frjtz
on hayes street for dinner/drinks afterwords.This month's
presentations are:

* Patrick Stinson: Embedding Python as a Realtime Audio Scripting Engine. 
  Topics will include separation and communication between the application and
  scripting engine, why Python is "safe" for audio work including empirical
  performance metrics, and caveats related to multithreaded processing as
  performance requirements increase. I will share my experiences using the
  standard CPython implementation to research and develop a state-of-the-art 
  scripting engine for the Play professional sampling engine 
  (http://www.soundsonline.com).

  Patrick is not based out of the bay area so this is a unique opportunity to talk 
  to him about his experiences using python in this way with a commercial audio 
  product. 

* Shandy Brown : Structuring Your Game's Code.                                                                                                                                                                                             
  One approach to designing video games with a focus on rapid development and 
  networked multiplayer capabilities.  Shandy Brown will highlight key ideas in 
  his tutorial (http://ezide.com/games/writing-games.html).  Fundamental topics
  such as event-based design, defining your game model, and separating the model 
  and the view will be covered. 

PyGame SF is an informal group meet up in San Francisco for Software
engineers interested in python, OpenGL, audio, pygame, SDL,
programming and generally anything to do with multimedia development.
The format of our meetings typically involve several people giving
presentations on projects they are developing followed by group
discussion and feedback.

If anyone else would like to give a micro presentation, show demos or
just talk about what they are doing or generally give examples of any
relevant software they are working on please feel free to head along

To subscribe to the pygamesf mailing list simply email
pygame-sf+subscribe at unworkable.org
-- 
Harry Tormey
Co Founder P2P Research
http://p2presearch.com
Founder PyGameSF
http://pygamesf.org
Software Engineer Digidesign
http://digidesign.com

From fred at bsdhost.net  Mon Mar  1 20:59:14 2010
From: fred at bsdhost.net (Fred C)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 11:59:14 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Advices on twisted...
Message-ID: <9BFAB56B-E8D6-4309-ADB3-D4E073E98936@bsdhost.net>


Hi guys! I am wondering if there is someone in the bay area with a deep knowledge of twisted, I can meet over a beer or any other drink, to ask him some advice, have some chat and code review for one of my small project?  I'll pay for the drinks...

-fred-


From bdbaddog at gmail.com  Mon Mar  1 21:34:39 2010
From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 12:34:39 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
In-Reply-To: <4B8C15D8.2090705@noir.com>
References: <8540148a1002281811u2788966fh4a7ff85a203ca568@mail.gmail.com>
	<201003011016.33528.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
	<8249c4ac1003011033t29d0929ahad6a1c6c444b23f8@mail.gmail.com>
	<201003011059.08138.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
	<4B8C1365.5020403@noir.com> <4B8C15D8.2090705@noir.com>
Message-ID: <8540148a1003011234vac97006ke2c2932fa6b14ea3@mail.gmail.com>

All,


On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:30 AM, K. Richard Pixley <rich at noir.com> wrote:

>  K. Richard Pixley wrote:
>
> Rami Chowdhury wrote:
>
> I'm personally +1 to use something like Django or Web2py -- something familiar
> and therefore maintainable.
>
>
>  It also needs to be sufficiently modern and sexy enough to attract new
> volunteers.  Ie, something people *want* to work in.
>
> I should probably clarify.  I don't really know what the right answer is
> nor do I even have a proposal.  I just wanted to temper the advice for
> something stable, familiar, and maintainable, (ie, potentially tired or
> boring), with the need for motivation and attraction.  The right choice for
> the group might be a balance between those things.
>
> Then again, the right choice might just be to see who volunteers and what
> they propose to use.
>
>
>
I'm willing to do the bulk of the work, and maintain.
Just looking for some addition eyes and advice on which framework to base it
on.
What we need is pretty simple:
* Pages for book reviews with some tagging ability to generate publisher
specific pages
* store book cover images
* store random files for slides from presentations
* store events (and iCal stream maybe)
* home page with next upcoming event, and links to the above.
* some minor user management to allow individuals to edit their book reviews
and "admins" to update events.
* Job listings with auto-expiration (30days).
* probably some javascript based WYSIWYG editor for editting the above.

-Bill
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From jim at well.com  Mon Mar  1 22:54:41 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 13:54:41 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] open source business conference march 17....
Message-ID: <1267480481.6521.120.camel@jim-laptop>



   Open Source Business Conference, SF Palace hotel, 
March 17, 18 2010. 

   the IDG group that has put on the various *world expos 
will have a table in their expo hall for open source 
support groups, including LUGS and language and application 
support groups. 

http://www.osbc.com/ehome/index.php?eventid=7578& 


   the current concept is to have information about any 
SF bay area open source focused groups. i'm looking for 

* volunteers to work at the table 
* other coordinator types 
* information about sf bay area open source groups 
  (e.g. python, django, apache, firefox, linux and bsd 
  user groups, and any other groups involved with open 
  source software (and hardware) 
* existing literature, especially in electronic form 

   wanna play? got info or files? please respond. 
jim 




From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Mon Mar  1 23:03:44 2010
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 14:03:44 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
In-Reply-To: <8540148a1003011234vac97006ke2c2932fa6b14ea3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8540148a1002281811u2788966fh4a7ff85a203ca568@mail.gmail.com>
	<201003011016.33528.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
	<8249c4ac1003011033t29d0929ahad6a1c6c444b23f8@mail.gmail.com>
	<201003011059.08138.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
	<4B8C1365.5020403@noir.com> <4B8C15D8.2090705@noir.com>
	<8540148a1003011234vac97006ke2c2932fa6b14ea3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100301220344.GA17485@panix.com>

On Mon, Mar 01, 2010, William Deegan wrote:
>
> * probably some javascript based WYSIWYG editor for editting the above.

Ugh.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"Many customs in this life persist because they ease friction and promote
productivity as a result of universal agreement, and whether they are
precisely the optimal choices is much less important." --Henry Spencer

From bdbaddog at gmail.com  Tue Mar  2 00:14:20 2010
From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 15:14:20 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
In-Reply-To: <20100301220344.GA17485@panix.com>
References: <8540148a1002281811u2788966fh4a7ff85a203ca568@mail.gmail.com>
	<201003011016.33528.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
	<8249c4ac1003011033t29d0929ahad6a1c6c444b23f8@mail.gmail.com>
	<201003011059.08138.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
	<4B8C1365.5020403@noir.com> <4B8C15D8.2090705@noir.com>
	<8540148a1003011234vac97006ke2c2932fa6b14ea3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100301220344.GA17485@panix.com>
Message-ID: <8540148a1003011514u72a883baha1d3843d09450044@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 01, 2010, William Deegan wrote:
> >
> > * probably some javascript based WYSIWYG editor for editting the above.
>
> Ugh.
>

O.k. maybe some wiki'ish syntax then?

Probably a lot easier to do.

-Bill


> --
> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>
> http://www.pythoncraft.com/
>
> "Many customs in this life persist because they ease friction and promote
> productivity as a result of universal agreement, and whether they are
> precisely the optimal choices is much less important." --Henry Spencer
> _______________________________________________
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From keith at dartworks.biz  Tue Mar  2 00:36:28 2010
From: keith at dartworks.biz (Keith Dart)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 15:36:28 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
In-Reply-To: <20100301220344.GA17485@panix.com>
References: <8540148a1002281811u2788966fh4a7ff85a203ca568@mail.gmail.com>
	<201003011016.33528.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
	<8249c4ac1003011033t29d0929ahad6a1c6c444b23f8@mail.gmail.com>
	<201003011059.08138.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
	<4B8C1365.5020403@noir.com> <4B8C15D8.2090705@noir.com>
	<8540148a1003011234vac97006ke2c2932fa6b14ea3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100301220344.GA17485@panix.com>
Message-ID: <20100301153628.6df9fc56@dartworks.biz>

=== On Mon, 03/01, Aahz wrote: ===
> Ugh.
===

http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/

It's in there... :-)



-- Keith Dart

-- 
-- --------------------
Keith Dart
<keith at dartworks.biz>
=======================

From bdbaddog at gmail.com  Tue Mar  2 00:55:54 2010
From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 15:55:54 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
In-Reply-To: <20100301153628.6df9fc56@dartworks.biz>
References: <8540148a1002281811u2788966fh4a7ff85a203ca568@mail.gmail.com>
	<201003011016.33528.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
	<8249c4ac1003011033t29d0929ahad6a1c6c444b23f8@mail.gmail.com>
	<201003011059.08138.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
	<4B8C1365.5020403@noir.com> <4B8C15D8.2090705@noir.com>
	<8540148a1003011234vac97006ke2c2932fa6b14ea3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100301220344.GA17485@panix.com>
	<20100301153628.6df9fc56@dartworks.biz>
Message-ID: <8540148a1003011555j7d01976cp54cc8a7653d053a5@mail.gmail.com>

Keith,

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Keith Dart <keith at dartworks.biz> wrote:

> === On Mon, 03/01, Aahz wrote: ===
> > Ugh.
> ===
>
> http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/
>
> It's in there... :-)
>

Exactly what I was thinking.
I've seen several such packages.

-Bill


>
>
>
> -- Keith Dart
>
> --
> -- --------------------
> Keith Dart
> <keith at dartworks.biz>
> =======================
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
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From slacy at slacy.com  Tue Mar  2 00:59:49 2010
From: slacy at slacy.com (Stephen Lacy)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 15:59:49 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
In-Reply-To: <8540148a1003011555j7d01976cp54cc8a7653d053a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8540148a1002281811u2788966fh4a7ff85a203ca568@mail.gmail.com>
	<201003011016.33528.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
	<8249c4ac1003011033t29d0929ahad6a1c6c444b23f8@mail.gmail.com>
	<201003011059.08138.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
	<4B8C1365.5020403@noir.com> <4B8C15D8.2090705@noir.com>
	<8540148a1003011234vac97006ke2c2932fa6b14ea3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100301220344.GA17485@panix.com>
	<20100301153628.6df9fc56@dartworks.biz>
	<8540148a1003011555j7d01976cp54cc8a7653d053a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9b97850f1003011559j4de026a8pcf84ba1d6ab3e69d@mail.gmail.com>

Better yet:

http://code.google.com/p/django-tinymce/

Puts TinyMCE editors into your Django admin interface.

Oh, and you asked what framework?  Django.  :)

Steve

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 3:55 PM, William Deegan <bdbaddog at gmail.com> wrote:

> Keith,
>
> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Keith Dart <keith at dartworks.biz> wrote:
>
>> === On Mon, 03/01, Aahz wrote: ===
>> > Ugh.
>> ===
>>
>> http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/
>>
>> It's in there... :-)
>>
>
> Exactly what I was thinking.
> I've seen several such packages.
>
> -Bill
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Keith Dart
>>
>> --
>> -- --------------------
>> Keith Dart
>> <keith at dartworks.biz>
>> =======================
>> _______________________________________________
>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> Baypiggies at python.org
>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>>
>
>
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From rich at noir.com  Tue Mar  2 01:29:12 2010
From: rich at noir.com (K. Richard Pixley)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:29:12 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Advices on twisted...
In-Reply-To: <9BFAB56B-E8D6-4309-ADB3-D4E073E98936@bsdhost.net>
References: <9BFAB56B-E8D6-4309-ADB3-D4E073E98936@bsdhost.net>
Message-ID: <4B8C5BD8.2070805@noir.com>

(Sorry, I tried sending this privately, but Fred's mailer apparently 
doesn't like me.)

Fred C wrote:
> Hi guys! I am wondering if there is someone in the bay area with a 
> deep knowledge of twisted, I can meet over a beer or any other drink, 
> to ask him some advice, have some chat and code review for one of my 
> small project?  I'll pay for the drinks...
I'm a little deep, but not very wide just yet.  Happy to jump in, though.

--rich

From slander at unworkable.org  Tue Mar  2 19:18:58 2010
From: slander at unworkable.org (Harry Tormey)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 10:18:58 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyGameSF meetup Tuesday March 2nd 6pm @ the strong
 room in the Main San Francisco Public Library (Tomorrow)
In-Reply-To: <20100301193800.GB14136@unworkable.org>
References: <20100301193800.GB14136@unworkable.org>
Message-ID: <20100302181858.GB25619@unworkable.org>

Hi All,
Just a quick update to say that their has been a mixup with the room
booking at the library. This month's meet up will take place in the
Sycip room on the fourth floor of the library and NOT the Stong room
on the first floor. Thanks.

On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 11:38:00AM -0800, Harry Tormey wrote:
> Hi All,
> The March PyGameSF meet up will be at the STONG conference room on the
> first floor of the main San Francisco public library beside civic
> center BART. The library closes at 8pm so we will reconvene to frjtz
> on hayes street for dinner/drinks afterwords.This month's
> presentations are:
> 
> * Patrick Stinson: Embedding Python as a Realtime Audio Scripting Engine. 
>   Topics will include separation and communication between the application and
>   scripting engine, why Python is "safe" for audio work including empirical
>   performance metrics, and caveats related to multithreaded processing as
>   performance requirements increase. I will share my experiences using the
>   standard CPython implementation to research and develop a state-of-the-art 
>   scripting engine for the Play professional sampling engine 
>   (http://www.soundsonline.com).
> 
>   Patrick is not based out of the bay area so this is a unique opportunity to talk 
>   to him about his experiences using python in this way with a commercial audio 
>   product. 
> 
> * Shandy Brown : Structuring Your Game's Code.                                                                                                                                                                                             
>   One approach to designing video games with a focus on rapid development and 
>   networked multiplayer capabilities.  Shandy Brown will highlight key ideas in 
>   his tutorial (http://ezide.com/games/writing-games.html).  Fundamental topics
>   such as event-based design, defining your game model, and separating the model 
>   and the view will be covered. 
> 
> PyGame SF is an informal group meet up in San Francisco for Software
> engineers interested in python, OpenGL, audio, pygame, SDL,
> programming and generally anything to do with multimedia development.
> The format of our meetings typically involve several people giving
> presentations on projects they are developing followed by group
> discussion and feedback.
> 
> If anyone else would like to give a micro presentation, show demos or
> just talk about what they are doing or generally give examples of any
> relevant software they are working on please feel free to head along
> 
> To subscribe to the pygamesf mailing list simply email
> pygame-sf+subscribe at unworkable.org
> -- 
> Harry Tormey
> Co Founder P2P Research
> http://p2presearch.com
> Founder PyGameSF
> http://pygamesf.org
> Software Engineer Digidesign
> http://digidesign.com
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies

-- 
Harry Tormey
Co Founder P2P Research
http://p2presearch.com
Founder PyGameSF
http://pygamesf.org
Software Engineer Digidesign
http://digidesign.com

From wescpy at gmail.com  Tue Mar  2 23:55:56 2010
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 14:55:56 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
In-Reply-To: <201003011119.58562.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
References: <8540148a1002281811u2788966fh4a7ff85a203ca568@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY111-W740128EF8494C816D4614A03C0@phx.gbl>
	<8540148a1003011112k280c8090o10b0d32a496b5c46@mail.gmail.com>
	<201003011119.58562.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <78b3a9581003021455ke54f817s955a0af72feec218@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Rami Chowdhury
<rami.chowdhury at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday 01 March 2010 11:12:34 William Deegan wrote:
>> How hard is it to run Django on GAE?
>
> Apparently it's doable -- there's a fairly active project here:
> http://code.google.com/p/google-app-engine-django/

i put in a little appendix section of our Django book on how to run
Django apps on App Engine, and it uses the helper. however, i wasn't
it wasn't in time to discover a similar project which is more similar
to Django than the helper, called the App Engine Patch:

http://code.google.com/p/app-engine-patch/

this project was newer, and you can find on their web page towards the
bottom, some information that differentiates the 2 projects. however,
i say "was" because the patch is no longer actively being worked on in
favor of yet another project -- django-nonrel -- that has a more
ambitious goal: running Django apps natively on App Engine:

http://allbuttonspressed.com/

here is a specific blogpost about pure Django on App Engine:
http://www.allbuttonspressed.com/blog/django/2010/01/Native-Django-on-App-Engine

> There's also apparently the Kay Framework, which is designed specifically to
> be Django-like but for GAE... and uses a lot of the existing Python web app
> ecosystem:
> http://code.google.com/p/kay-framework/

the patch maintainers also recommend looking at Kay as an alternative.

cheers,
-- wesley
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"Python Web Development with Django", Addison Wesley, (c) 2009
    http://withdjango.com

wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com
python training and technical consulting
cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
http://cyberwebconsulting.com

From wescpy at gmail.com  Wed Mar  3 00:23:55 2010
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 15:23:55 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Google I/O pass raffle contest
Message-ID: <78b3a9581003021523j67d0ddabh72aac002018ccff0@mail.gmail.com>

hey all, i just got wind of this contest from the Google I/O team.
they're giving away several passes if you can answer some quiz
questions correctly.

RULES:
This contest closes 9am PST, Thursday, March 4nd. It is meant to be a
promotion for the local developer community in Silicon Valley, so
please do not tweet or blog widely... unless you want more
competition. :-)

NO PURCHASE NECESSARY.  A PURCHASE WILL NOT INCREASE CHANCE OF
WINNING.  THIS IS A CONTEST OF SKILL.  VOID WHERE PROHIBITED.  Contest
is open in all countries except Italy, Brazil, Quebec, Cuba, Iran,
Syria, North Korea, Sudan, or Myanmar (Burma),  18 years and older.
To play, and for Official Rules, including odds, judging criteria and
prize descriptions, visit
http://sites.google.com/site/iopassgiveaway/terms-and-conditions.
Sponsor: Google Inc., 1600 Amphitheater Parkway, Mountain View, CA
94043

Limit one entry per person and maximum of one pass can be awarded per
person. Google will not cover airfare or other travel costs associated
with attending Google I/O.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - -
CONTEST:

We're doing a small contest for the local community and the developer
organizations that we work with regularly around Silicon Valley. We
will be giving away 5 passes to our annual developer conference,
Google I/O. To get more information about Google I/O, visit
http://code.google.com/events/io/2010/ and follow @googleio on
Twitter.

To enter the contest, please visit
https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dEpLZDlKcDUwdEZRcjlYdXh6WXQ5VUE6MQ
and answer all the questions. If more than five people answer all the
questions correctly, the judges will choose the winners based on the
free-form 'essay' question. The winners will be notified via email by
6pm PST on Friday, March 5th.

The essay will be judged on the following criteria:
 - How well the essay expresses the benefit that attending Google I/O
will give the entrant as a coder;
 - How well the essay expresses the potential benefit to the entrant?s
local developer community if the entrant were to attend;
 - Humor;
 - Creativity; and
 - 'Googleyness'


good luck!
-- wesley
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001
"Python Fundamentals", Prentice Hall, (c)2009
    http://corepython.com

wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com
python training and technical consulting
cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
http://cyberwebconsulting.com

From rand.bradley at gmail.com  Wed Mar  3 00:25:23 2010
From: rand.bradley at gmail.com (Rand Bradley)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 15:25:23 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies web site
In-Reply-To: <78b3a9581003021455ke54f817s955a0af72feec218@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8540148a1002281811u2788966fh4a7ff85a203ca568@mail.gmail.com>
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I've looked at all three recently and have to recommend sticking with the
App Engine Helper. I haven't had to deviate from standard django at all
except for working with models/the datastore, and your likely going to have
to that issue with whatever GAE framework you use.

I just found this project which emulates the automatic admin interface on
GAE called App Engine Autoadmin (http://code.google.com/p/appengine-admin/).
I will be evaluating this project in the near future. If it works as
advertised, then you have pretty much everything you need to base a GAE
application on Django.


On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 2:55 PM, wesley chun <wescpy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <rami.chowdhury at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday 01 March 2010 11:12:34 William Deegan wrote:
> >> How hard is it to run Django on GAE?
> >
> > Apparently it's doable -- there's a fairly active project here:
> > http://code.google.com/p/google-app-engine-django/
>
> i put in a little appendix section of our Django book on how to run
> Django apps on App Engine, and it uses the helper. however, i wasn't
> it wasn't in time to discover a similar project which is more similar
> to Django than the helper, called the App Engine Patch:
>
> http://code.google.com/p/app-engine-patch/
>
> this project was newer, and you can find on their web page towards the
> bottom, some information that differentiates the 2 projects. however,
> i say "was" because the patch is no longer actively being worked on in
> favor of yet another project -- django-nonrel -- that has a more
> ambitious goal: running Django apps natively on App Engine:
>
> http://allbuttonspressed.com/
>
> here is a specific blogpost about pure Django on App Engine:
>
> http://www.allbuttonspressed.com/blog/django/2010/01/Native-Django-on-App-Engine
>
> > There's also apparently the Kay Framework, which is designed specifically
> to
> > be Django-like but for GAE... and uses a lot of the existing Python web
> app
> > ecosystem:
> > http://code.google.com/p/kay-framework/
>
> the patch maintainers also recommend looking at Kay as an alternative.
>
> cheers,
> -- wesley
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> "Python Web Development with Django", Addison Wesley, (c) 2009
>    http://withdjango.com
>
> wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com
> python training and technical consulting
> cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
> http://cyberwebconsulting.com
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From jjkunce at gmail.com  Wed Mar  3 04:07:27 2010
From: jjkunce at gmail.com (Jeff Kunce)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 22:07:27 -0500
Subject: [Baypiggies] Google I/O pass raffle contest
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I wonder how the value of the five passes compares to the cost of
drawing up that Official Rules document. :)  That list of excluded
countries sparks my interest...

  -- Jeff

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:23 PM, wesley chun <wescpy at gmail.com> wrote:
> hey all, i just got wind of this contest from the Google I/O team.
> they're giving away several passes if you can answer some quiz
> questions correctly.
>...
> To play, and for Official Rules, including odds, judging criteria and
> prize descriptions, visit
> http://sites.google.com/site/iopassgiveaway/terms-and-conditions.
> ...

From almir at almirkaric.com  Wed Mar  3 04:17:54 2010
From: almir at almirkaric.com (Almir Karic)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 19:17:54 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Google I/O pass raffle contest
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On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Jeff Kunce <jjkunce at gmail.com> wrote:
> I wonder how the value of the five passes compares to the cost of
> drawing up that Official Rules document. :)

The probably did it for PR reasons :)

-- 
python/django hacker & sys admin
http://almirkaric.com & http://twitter.com/redduck666

From jeff.enderwick at gmail.com  Wed Mar  3 04:37:18 2010
From: jeff.enderwick at gmail.com (Jeff Enderwick)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 19:37:18 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Google I/O pass raffle contest
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Here's my quiz question for them (it never got a reply answer on the
app-engine mailing list):

long story short, I had a URL that was running 900/1500ms (app/api)
CPU, so I had to dig into it. I was surprised by just how much CPU
time some simple things are taking (or how much I think they're taking
;-). For example, with this class:

class AssocObject(db.Model):
  urlPath = db.TextProperty()
  fileName = db.TextProperty()
  contentType = db.TextProperty()
  blob = db.BlobProperty()

# Unused in query history -- copied from input.
- kind: AssocObject
  ancestor: yes

and the following snippet:

fileObj = AssocObject(parent = node)
db.put(fileObj)

Just the single db.put() costs 250/210ms of CPU. Getting rid of the
'parent =' saves on 10s of ms. The total data set size is in the 10s
of objects. I am not setting any of the variables in the class
instance; the code really is create obj and store it at this point.

Am I missing something? Is this level of CPU burn to be expected?


On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 3:23 PM, wesley chun <wescpy at gmail.com> wrote:

> hey all, i just got wind of this contest from the Google I/O team.
> they're giving away several passes if you can answer some quiz
> questions correctly.
>
> RULES:
> This contest closes 9am PST, Thursday, March 4nd. It is meant to be a
> promotion for the local developer community in Silicon Valley, so
> please do not tweet or blog widely... unless you want more
> competition. :-)
>
> NO PURCHASE NECESSARY.  A PURCHASE WILL NOT INCREASE CHANCE OF
> WINNING.  THIS IS A CONTEST OF SKILL.  VOID WHERE PROHIBITED.  Contest
> is open in all countries except Italy, Brazil, Quebec, Cuba, Iran,
> Syria, North Korea, Sudan, or Myanmar (Burma),  18 years and older.
> To play, and for Official Rules, including odds, judging criteria and
> prize descriptions, visit
> http://sites.google.com/site/iopassgiveaway/terms-and-conditions.
> Sponsor: Google Inc., 1600 Amphitheater Parkway, Mountain View, CA
> 94043
>
> Limit one entry per person and maximum of one pass can be awarded per
> person. Google will not cover airfare or other travel costs associated
> with attending Google I/O.
>
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> CONTEST:
>
> We're doing a small contest for the local community and the developer
> organizations that we work with regularly around Silicon Valley. We
> will be giving away 5 passes to our annual developer conference,
> Google I/O. To get more information about Google I/O, visit
> http://code.google.com/events/io/2010/ and follow @googleio on
> Twitter.
>
> To enter the contest, please visit
>
> https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dEpLZDlKcDUwdEZRcjlYdXh6WXQ5VUE6MQ
> and answer all the questions. If more than five people answer all the
> questions correctly, the judges will choose the winners based on the
> free-form 'essay' question. The winners will be notified via email by
> 6pm PST on Friday, March 5th.
>
> The essay will be judged on the following criteria:
>  - How well the essay expresses the benefit that attending Google I/O
> will give the entrant as a coder;
>  - How well the essay expresses the potential benefit to the entrant?s
> local developer community if the entrant were to attend;
>  - Humor;
>  - Creativity; and
>  - 'Googleyness'
>
>
> good luck!
> -- wesley
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> "Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001
> "Python Fundamentals", Prentice Hall, (c)2009
>    http://corepython.com
>
> wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com
> python training and technical consulting
> cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
> http://cyberwebconsulting.com
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From kenobi at gmail.com  Sat Mar  6 18:22:09 2010
From: kenobi at gmail.com (Rick Kwan)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 09:22:09 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Helios Voting and other strategies
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Has anyone here used Helios Voting (http://www.heliosvoting.org)? ?It
appears to be written to run on top of Django. ?It claims to be "the
?rst web-based, open-audit voting system," which sounds like sheer
goodness to me. ?Naturally the author reports very satisfied users,
and there is a USENIX security paper to go with it. ?I'm trying to get
a fuller picture.

I need to host a voting application in about a month with about 1000
voters, and candidates for three offices. ?SurveyMonkey is limited to
100 votes for free. ?(Perhaps we should just go pay the extra.) ?I saw
some commercial site that would charge us about 64 cents per
registered voter.

We haven't put up the money for an SSL certificate yet, and thus don't
run HTTPS yet. ?We're on a shared Linux server that hosts our domain;
I don't have root access. ?We've talked about migrating to a VM; I had
designs of putting Django on it, but have run out of personal free
time and resources to pull this off.

I'm open to suggestions, comments about Helios, etc.

--Rick Kwan

From spmcinerney at hotmail.com  Sat Mar  6 19:39:44 2010
From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen McInerney)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 10:39:44 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Helios Voting and other strategies
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Rick - since time is a big issue for you, just fork out the $20 for
SurveyMonkey already (up to 1000 responses),
that's what I did when I did the member survey in 2005.
SurveyMonkey gives you tons more functionality:
  http://www.surveymonkey.com/Home_PricingDetail.aspx
Then download the results and cancel your subscription after the event.

SSL costs an extra $9.95/mo with them:
  http://help.surveymonkey.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/336/session/L3NpZC9KM0RSeGJXag%3D%3D

I know nothing about Helios Voting.

Stephen


> Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 09:22:09 -0800
> From: kenobi at gmail.com
> To: baypiggies at python.org
> Subject: [Baypiggies] Helios Voting and other strategies
> 
> Has anyone here used Helios Voting (http://www.heliosvoting.org)?  It
> appears to be written to run on top of Django.  It claims to be "the
> ?rst web-based, open-audit voting system," which sounds like sheer
> goodness to me.  Naturally the author reports very satisfied users,
> and there is a USENIX security paper to go with it.  I'm trying to get
> a fuller picture.
> 
> I need to host a voting application in about a month with about 1000
> voters, and candidates for three offices.  SurveyMonkey is limited to
> 100 votes for free.  (Perhaps we should just go pay the extra.)  I saw
> some commercial site that would charge us about 64 cents per
> registered voter.
> 
> We haven't put up the money for an SSL certificate yet, and thus don't
> run HTTPS yet.  We're on a shared Linux server that hosts our domain;
> I don't have root access.  We've talked about migrating to a VM; I had
> designs of putting Django on it, but have run out of personal free
> time and resources to pull this off.
> 
> I'm open to suggestions, comments about Helios, etc.
> 
> --Rick Kwan
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From jim at well.com  Sat Mar  6 19:44:07 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 10:44:07 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyCon in SF
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   how's this coming along? what needs doing to 
help move it? 
jim 
415 823 4590 my cellphone, call anytime 




On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 20:12 -0800, Glen Jarvis wrote:
> OOOPPPsss...
> 
> 
> Okay, that account has been disabled (since it went to everyone).
> Alec, are you volunteering? If so, I'll make a different account..
> and, err.. I'll try to respond off list :)
> 
> 
> Sorry for the mistake.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Glen
> 
> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com>
> wrote:
>         Thank you for volunteering to help with organizing a sort of
>         'after pycon braindump.' [Actually, this is a form letter and
>         I'm not certain you did volunteer. You have a great suggestion
>         on picking a tool to pick a date ahead of time.] There are so
>         many people in this area that are interested, I think we can
>         get the same type of energy.
>         
>         
>         I envision this to be a place for both openspaces (aka
>         unconferences) and for reviewing our favorite videos. If you
>         will, take a quick moment to see what the open space is about:
>         http://us.pycon.org/2010/openspace/
>         
>         
>         I want to get the creative juices flowing, but it also helps
>         to have a little infrastructure. Since it's only been one day,
>         the emphasis will be on little.
>         
>         
>         I have created a page of all of the videos that I have found.
>         One can also vote anonymously on the talks you prefer on this
>         page. There's no security, so someone could vote a million
>         times. But, for this level, I think that's okay.
>         
>         
>         That website is http://pycon.glenjarvis.com/  You will see
>         that:
>         
>         
>         * I chose a boring name (pycon and also pycon_dump in places
>         in code). I need help finding a good name to use in all of
>         these places,
>         * The links on the page (except for "I like") aren't yet
>         activated
>         * I hadn't made any account login pages yet
>         * More details will launch a new window under the subject area
>         
>         
>         This was knocked up quickly with Django and I will soon put
>         this in a repository so others can chip in, edit code, review
>         code, etc. 
>         
>         
>         Also, the data is in the Admin and I've created an account
>         just for you.
>         
>         
>         Go to this URL:
>         
>         
>         http://pycon.glenjarvis.com/admin/
>         Your username is: alecf
>         Your password is: )BtjV^5Y
>         
>         
>         You are currently super user -- you could wipe everything out
>         -- or add a million records. Again, for this stage creative
>         juices are more important to me than data security. There's
>         nothing of consequence (except my hard work to scrape this
>         data) that is in this database. Passwords are encrypted, but
>         others organizing will also have super user access. So, don't
>         pick a password that would compromise you anywhere -- just in
>         case.
>         
>         
>         And, finally, it is *MUCH* easier for me to use Google Wave
>         than it is to manage so many email threads. I know some people
>         have concerns about having a Google Account. For those people
>         I will manually cut and paste messages to them. I really hope
>         we can use Google Wave -- it will make my life so much easier.
>         
>         
>         My Google Wave account is glen.r.jarvis and I've created a
>         wave with title "Organizing a PostPyCon Meetup."
>         
>         
>         Feel free to poke around as we start building this from the
>         very very basics to something awesome?
>         
>         
>         Cheers,
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         Glen
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Alec Flett <alecf at flett.org>
>         wrote:
>                 Might I suggest:
>                 
>                 
>                 http://whenisgood.net/
>                 
>                 
>                 for figuring out a day/time..
>                 
>                 
>                 Alec
>                 
>                 On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Glen Jarvis
>                 <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
>                 
>                         
>                         We are planning a PyCon in SF get-together
>                         where we will watch Pycon Videos, have time
>                         for discussion, bring in some food and
>                         beverage, and socialize. 
>                         
>                         
>                         My experience with planning a group SpamALot
>                         is that not everyone wants to be involved in
>                         making the decisions for time, location,
>                         place, etc. However, some people do. We are
>                         building a planning team and we already have
>                         three people on the 'committee.' If you wish
>                         to be involved in bringing a small slice of
>                         the PyCon experience to those of us who didn't
>                         get to go, please send me an email.
>                         
>                         
>                         We hope to plan this quickly, and the Videos
>                         are already available. So, please email me and
>                         let's all get together to make this happen!
>                          :)
>                         
>                         
>                         Cheers,
>                         
>                         
>                         
>                         
>                         
>                         
>                         Glen
>                         
>                         
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Sat Mar  6 19:58:31 2010
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 10:58:31 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyCon in SF
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Excellent email follow-up. I had been composing an email for you and the
other organizers while you had sent this.

The biggest issue was finding which Saturday works at Noisebridge. All of
those details are in that email and can probably be taken off list. Reserve
a Saturday in late March (maybe April) with the requirements given, and let
me know. I'll start advertising that date and location.

As for the rest of us ... Well.. <insert long thread here I bet>:


>From all of the votes that I have received, here is a tentative schedule. I
am thinking of cutting out one or two videos so we aren't going so late. Do
you have any votes on what to cut?

Additionally, do you see any issues or problems with this schedule?  I
haven't yet asked Anna and Wesley to present live (since we also need a date
for a commitment) instead of their videos. but, if they agree, that will be
nice.

Also, note that while videos are displaying, we'll have a second room
reserved for unconferences. These can happen during the breaks or last as
long as the videos are playing:

See: http://us.pycon.org/2010/openspace/

Do we have any discussion with this very rough draft of a schedule?  What do
you like about it?  What don't you like about it?

11 -- 11:15:  Meet and Greet/Socializing

11:15 - 11:45: Video: Learning Hosting Best-Practices From
WebFaction/Brandon Craig Rhodes

11:45 - noon: Break/Discussion/mull around food table

12:00 - 12:30: Diversity as a Dependency/Anna (maybe we can get Anna to give
this talk in person again?)

12:30 - 12:45: Break/Discussion

12:45 - 1:30 pm Turtles All The Way Down: Demystifying Deferreds,
Decorators, and Declarations/Glyph Lefkowitz

1:30 - 1:45: Break/Discussion

1:45 - 2:15 : Writing Books using Python and Open Source Software/Mr. Wesley
J. Chun (CyberWeb Consulting) (Maybe we can get Wesley to do the talk in
person)

2:15 - 2:30: Break/Discussion

2:30 - 3:00: Unladen Swallow: fewer coconuts, faster Python Collin Winter
(Google / Unladen Swallow)

3:00 - 3:15: Break/Discussion

3:15 - 3:45: Python in the Browser/immy Schementi

3:45 - 4:00: Break/Discussion

4:00 - 4:45:  Deployment, development, packaging, and a little bit of the
cloud/Ian Bicking (The Open Planning Project)

4:45 - 5:00: Break/Discussion

5:00 - 5:30: Scaling your Python application on EC2/Jeremy Edberg

5:30 - 5:45: Break/Discussion

5:45 - 6:15: Dude, Where's My Database/Mr. Eric Florenzano

6:15 - 7:00: Break/Discussion

7:00 - 7:30: Actors: What, Why, and How/Donovan Presto

7:30 - 7:45: Break/Discussion

7:45 - 8:15: Python's Dusty Corners/Jack Diederich (Consultant)

8:15 - 8:30: Break/Discussion

8:30 - 9:15: Understanding the Python GIL/David Beazley (Dabeaz LLC)

9:15 - ???   Socialize, let the crowd keep going, and start flicking the
lights when it becomes just stragglers



On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:44 AM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:

>
>
>   how's this coming along? what needs doing to
> help move it?
> jim
> 415 823 4590 my cellphone, call anytime
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 20:12 -0800, Glen Jarvis wrote:
> > OOOPPPsss...
> >
> >
> > Okay, that account has been disabled (since it went to everyone).
> > Alec, are you volunteering? If so, I'll make a different account..
> > and, err.. I'll try to respond off list :)
> >
> >
> > Sorry for the mistake.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Glen
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com>
> > wrote:
> >         Thank you for volunteering to help with organizing a sort of
> >         'after pycon braindump.' [Actually, this is a form letter and
> >         I'm not certain you did volunteer. You have a great suggestion
> >         on picking a tool to pick a date ahead of time.] There are so
> >         many people in this area that are interested, I think we can
> >         get the same type of energy.
> >
> >
> >         I envision this to be a place for both openspaces (aka
> >         unconferences) and for reviewing our favorite videos. If you
> >         will, take a quick moment to see what the open space is about:
> >         http://us.pycon.org/2010/openspace/
> >
> >
> >         I want to get the creative juices flowing, but it also helps
> >         to have a little infrastructure. Since it's only been one day,
> >         the emphasis will be on little.
> >
> >
> >         I have created a page of all of the videos that I have found.
> >         One can also vote anonymously on the talks you prefer on this
> >         page. There's no security, so someone could vote a million
> >         times. But, for this level, I think that's okay.
> >
> >
> >         That website is http://pycon.glenjarvis.com/  You will see
> >         that:
> >
> >
> >         * I chose a boring name (pycon and also pycon_dump in places
> >         in code). I need help finding a good name to use in all of
> >         these places,
> >         * The links on the page (except for "I like") aren't yet
> >         activated
> >         * I hadn't made any account login pages yet
> >         * More details will launch a new window under the subject area
> >
> >
> >         This was knocked up quickly with Django and I will soon put
> >         this in a repository so others can chip in, edit code, review
> >         code, etc.
> >
> >
> >         Also, the data is in the Admin and I've created an account
> >         just for you.
> >
> >
> >         Go to this URL:
> >
> >
> >         http://pycon.glenjarvis.com/admin/
> >         Your username is: alecf
> >         Your password is: )BtjV^5Y
> >
> >
> >         You are currently super user -- you could wipe everything out
> >         -- or add a million records. Again, for this stage creative
> >         juices are more important to me than data security. There's
> >         nothing of consequence (except my hard work to scrape this
> >         data) that is in this database. Passwords are encrypted, but
> >         others organizing will also have super user access. So, don't
> >         pick a password that would compromise you anywhere -- just in
> >         case.
> >
> >
> >         And, finally, it is *MUCH* easier for me to use Google Wave
> >         than it is to manage so many email threads. I know some people
> >         have concerns about having a Google Account. For those people
> >         I will manually cut and paste messages to them. I really hope
> >         we can use Google Wave -- it will make my life so much easier.
> >
> >
> >         My Google Wave account is glen.r.jarvis and I've created a
> >         wave with title "Organizing a PostPyCon Meetup."
> >
> >
> >         Feel free to poke around as we start building this from the
> >         very very basics to something awesome?
> >
> >
> >         Cheers,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >         Glen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >         On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Alec Flett <alecf at flett.org>
> >         wrote:
> >                 Might I suggest:
> >
> >
> >                 http://whenisgood.net/
> >
> >
> >                 for figuring out a day/time..
> >
> >
> >                 Alec
> >
> >                 On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Glen Jarvis
> >                 <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >                         We are planning a PyCon in SF get-together
> >                         where we will watch Pycon Videos, have time
> >                         for discussion, bring in some food and
> >                         beverage, and socialize.
> >
> >
> >                         My experience with planning a group SpamALot
> >                         is that not everyone wants to be involved in
> >                         making the decisions for time, location,
> >                         place, etc. However, some people do. We are
> >                         building a planning team and we already have
> >                         three people on the 'committee.' If you wish
> >                         to be involved in bringing a small slice of
> >                         the PyCon experience to those of us who didn't
> >                         get to go, please send me an email.
> >
> >
> >                         We hope to plan this quickly, and the Videos
> >                         are already available. So, please email me and
> >                         let's all get together to make this happen!
> >                          :)
> >
> >
> >                         Cheers,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >                         Glen
> >
> >
> >                         _______________________________________________
> >                         Baypiggies mailing list
> >                         Baypiggies at python.org
> >                         To change your subscription options or
> >                         unsubscribe:
> >
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Baypiggies mailing list
> > Baypiggies at python.org
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Sat Mar  6 20:04:18 2010
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 11:04:18 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyCon in SF
In-Reply-To: <d1de3b721003061058p38f9552dsdc8ce5bdc7c072af@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d1de3b721002260747u4708d237re5c302a9ff245e66@mail.gmail.com>
	<c78d65271002260851x6f1bc5bckd7c422efa75ecf3e@mail.gmail.com>
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	<1267901047.6508.3.camel@jim-laptop>
	<d1de3b721003061058p38f9552dsdc8ce5bdc7c072af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d1de3b721003061104q6bfef057x9177ddad21259ca7@mail.gmail.com>

We don't have a food schedule lined up yet, but I am imagining there to be a
food table that people can grab food from during the breaks. Around lunch
time we'll need to keep maning the table and bringing food in.

The same for snacks during the day

And finally something for dinner in the evening..

Again, the whole idea of this is to spark off that creative energy in all of
you. What do *YOU* think? It won't work without involving you and getting
something that will work creatively for everyone.





On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:

> Excellent email follow-up. I had been composing an email for you and the
> other organizers while you had sent this.
>
> The biggest issue was finding which Saturday works at Noisebridge. All of
> those details are in that email and can probably be taken off list. Reserve
> a Saturday in late March (maybe April) with the requirements given, and let
> me know. I'll start advertising that date and location.
>
> As for the rest of us ... Well.. <insert long thread here I bet>:
>
>
> From all of the votes that I have received, here is a tentative schedule. I
> am thinking of cutting out one or two videos so we aren't going so late. Do
> you have any votes on what to cut?
>
> Additionally, do you see any issues or problems with this schedule?  I
> haven't yet asked Anna and Wesley to present live (since we also need a date
> for a commitment) instead of their videos. but, if they agree, that will be
> nice.
>
> Also, note that while videos are displaying, we'll have a second room
> reserved for unconferences. These can happen during the breaks or last as
> long as the videos are playing:
>
>  See: http://us.pycon.org/2010/openspace/
>
> Do we have any discussion with this very rough draft of a schedule?  What
> do you like about it?  What don't you like about it?
>
> 11 -- 11:15:  Meet and Greet/Socializing
>
> 11:15 - 11:45: Video: Learning Hosting Best-Practices From
> WebFaction/Brandon Craig Rhodes
>
> 11:45 - noon: Break/Discussion/mull around food table
>
> 12:00 - 12:30: Diversity as a Dependency/Anna (maybe we can get Anna to
> give this talk in person again?)
>
> 12:30 - 12:45: Break/Discussion
>
> 12:45 - 1:30 pm Turtles All The Way Down: Demystifying Deferreds,
> Decorators, and Declarations/Glyph Lefkowitz
>
> 1:30 - 1:45: Break/Discussion
>
> 1:45 - 2:15 : Writing Books using Python and Open Source Software/Mr.
> Wesley J. Chun (CyberWeb Consulting) (Maybe we can get Wesley to do the talk
> in person)
>
> 2:15 - 2:30: Break/Discussion
>
> 2:30 - 3:00: Unladen Swallow: fewer coconuts, faster Python Collin Winter
> (Google / Unladen Swallow)
>
> 3:00 - 3:15: Break/Discussion
>
> 3:15 - 3:45: Python in the Browser/immy Schementi
>
> 3:45 - 4:00: Break/Discussion
>
> 4:00 - 4:45:  Deployment, development, packaging, and a little bit of the
> cloud/Ian Bicking (The Open Planning Project)
>
> 4:45 - 5:00: Break/Discussion
>
> 5:00 - 5:30: Scaling your Python application on EC2/Jeremy Edberg
>
> 5:30 - 5:45: Break/Discussion
>
> 5:45 - 6:15: Dude, Where's My Database/Mr. Eric Florenzano
>
> 6:15 - 7:00: Break/Discussion
>
> 7:00 - 7:30: Actors: What, Why, and How/Donovan Presto
>
> 7:30 - 7:45: Break/Discussion
>
> 7:45 - 8:15: Python's Dusty Corners/Jack Diederich (Consultant)
>
> 8:15 - 8:30: Break/Discussion
>
> 8:30 - 9:15: Understanding the Python GIL/David Beazley (Dabeaz LLC)
>
> 9:15 - ???   Socialize, let the crowd keep going, and start flicking the
> lights when it becomes just stragglers
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 10:44 AM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>   how's this coming along? what needs doing to
>> help move it?
>> jim
>> 415 823 4590 my cellphone, call anytime
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 20:12 -0800, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>> > OOOPPPsss...
>> >
>> >
>> > Okay, that account has been disabled (since it went to everyone).
>> > Alec, are you volunteering? If so, I'll make a different account..
>> > and, err.. I'll try to respond off list :)
>> >
>> >
>> > Sorry for the mistake.
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Glen
>> >
>> > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >         Thank you for volunteering to help with organizing a sort of
>> >         'after pycon braindump.' [Actually, this is a form letter and
>> >         I'm not certain you did volunteer. You have a great suggestion
>> >         on picking a tool to pick a date ahead of time.] There are so
>> >         many people in this area that are interested, I think we can
>> >         get the same type of energy.
>> >
>> >
>> >         I envision this to be a place for both openspaces (aka
>> >         unconferences) and for reviewing our favorite videos. If you
>> >         will, take a quick moment to see what the open space is about:
>> >         http://us.pycon.org/2010/openspace/
>> >
>> >
>> >         I want to get the creative juices flowing, but it also helps
>> >         to have a little infrastructure. Since it's only been one day,
>> >         the emphasis will be on little.
>> >
>> >
>> >         I have created a page of all of the videos that I have found.
>> >         One can also vote anonymously on the talks you prefer on this
>> >         page. There's no security, so someone could vote a million
>> >         times. But, for this level, I think that's okay.
>> >
>> >
>> >         That website is http://pycon.glenjarvis.com/  You will see
>> >         that:
>> >
>> >
>> >         * I chose a boring name (pycon and also pycon_dump in places
>> >         in code). I need help finding a good name to use in all of
>> >         these places,
>> >         * The links on the page (except for "I like") aren't yet
>> >         activated
>> >         * I hadn't made any account login pages yet
>> >         * More details will launch a new window under the subject area
>> >
>> >
>> >         This was knocked up quickly with Django and I will soon put
>> >         this in a repository so others can chip in, edit code, review
>> >         code, etc.
>> >
>> >
>> >         Also, the data is in the Admin and I've created an account
>> >         just for you.
>> >
>> >
>> >         Go to this URL:
>> >
>> >
>> >         http://pycon.glenjarvis.com/admin/
>> >         Your username is: alecf
>> >         Your password is: )BtjV^5Y
>> >
>> >
>> >         You are currently super user -- you could wipe everything out
>> >         -- or add a million records. Again, for this stage creative
>> >         juices are more important to me than data security. There's
>> >         nothing of consequence (except my hard work to scrape this
>> >         data) that is in this database. Passwords are encrypted, but
>> >         others organizing will also have super user access. So, don't
>> >         pick a password that would compromise you anywhere -- just in
>> >         case.
>> >
>> >
>> >         And, finally, it is *MUCH* easier for me to use Google Wave
>> >         than it is to manage so many email threads. I know some people
>> >         have concerns about having a Google Account. For those people
>> >         I will manually cut and paste messages to them. I really hope
>> >         we can use Google Wave -- it will make my life so much easier.
>> >
>> >
>> >         My Google Wave account is glen.r.jarvis and I've created a
>> >         wave with title "Organizing a PostPyCon Meetup."
>> >
>> >
>> >         Feel free to poke around as we start building this from the
>> >         very very basics to something awesome?
>> >
>> >
>> >         Cheers,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >         Glen
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >         On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Alec Flett <alecf at flett.org>
>> >         wrote:
>> >                 Might I suggest:
>> >
>> >
>> >                 http://whenisgood.net/
>> >
>> >
>> >                 for figuring out a day/time..
>> >
>> >
>> >                 Alec
>> >
>> >                 On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Glen Jarvis
>> >                 <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >                         We are planning a PyCon in SF get-together
>> >                         where we will watch Pycon Videos, have time
>> >                         for discussion, bring in some food and
>> >                         beverage, and socialize.
>> >
>> >
>> >                         My experience with planning a group SpamALot
>> >                         is that not everyone wants to be involved in
>> >                         making the decisions for time, location,
>> >                         place, etc. However, some people do. We are
>> >                         building a planning team and we already have
>> >                         three people on the 'committee.' If you wish
>> >                         to be involved in bringing a small slice of
>> >                         the PyCon experience to those of us who didn't
>> >                         get to go, please send me an email.
>> >
>> >
>> >                         We hope to plan this quickly, and the Videos
>> >                         are already available. So, please email me and
>> >                         let's all get together to make this happen!
>> >                          :)
>> >
>> >
>> >                         Cheers,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >                         Glen
>> >
>> >
>> >                         _______________________________________________
>> >                         Baypiggies mailing list
>> >                         Baypiggies at python.org
>> >                         To change your subscription options or
>> >                         unsubscribe:
>> >
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Baypiggies mailing list
>> > Baypiggies at python.org
>> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
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From dalke at dalkescientific.com  Sat Mar  6 21:18:32 2010
From: dalke at dalkescientific.com (Andrew Dalke)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 13:18:32 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Helios Voting and other strategies
In-Reply-To: <BAY111-W1406EFBCC0E351D8CCF90AA0370@phx.gbl>
References: <f0aa69931003050750s6d7624e5ma24db4b146cc1fe7@mail.gmail.com>,
	<f0aa69931003060922t6413f8efn377e0d1504de580d@mail.gmail.com>
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Rick Kwan <kenobi at gmail.com> wrote:
> Has anyone here used Helios Voting (http://www.heliosvoting.org)? 

I looked at it a bit early last year or so. At that point the demo was in v1. There's a v3 now, which has been used for some votes with over 1,000 people.

My experience with the old version was that there were portability problems like not running under Firefox on my Mac. I don't know what's changed.


On Mar 6, 2010, at 11:39 AM, Stephen McInerney wrote:
> Rick - since time is a big issue for you, just fork out the $20 for
> SurveyMonkey already (up to 1000 responses),


The more relevant questions are, how secure do your elections need to be, how much do you want to trust the election provider, and how much audit capabilities do you want people to have? 

Helios is meant for when the answers are "very", "none at all", and "complete." SurveyMonkey is for when the answers are "somewhat", "a lot", and "doesn't matter."

Helios cannot handle write-in votes (I think), but it can handle things like approval voting. I don't know the details since as far as I know of there's no demo site where one can set up a vote, or see how well the voting system works for your browser. This may have changed since the last time I looked at it.

You might also consider Helios if you wish to support that style of cryptographically provable elections in the future.

> SSL costs an extra $9.95/mo with them:
>   http://help.surveymonkey.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/336/session/L3NpZC9KM0RSeGJXag%3D%3D

This is needless. The question in votes isn't so much "is the connection between you and the provider secure" but "is the provider trustworthy?" But some people won't believe the election is secure unless they see it's over SSL.


				Andrew
				dalke at dalkescientific.com



From glen at glenjarvis.com  Sat Mar  6 23:16:03 2010
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 14:16:03 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Webfaction, Diversity, and Turtles
Message-ID: <d1de3b721003061416p6aa573acu225488412fc69761@mail.gmail.com>

As part of my preparation for our PyCon dump of most popular knowledge, I've
taken the list of the most popular talks (that you as a community have voted
most popular this previous week) and I've been manually reviewing the videos
to ensure the video and audio-quality is okay.

I must tell you, I use Webfaction and found that talk great. I *loved* the
Diversity talk that Anna gave (and Alex's potato example). And, the Turtles
talk was incredible!

We would be hard pressed to see clearer examples of how decorators, meta
classes, and other operations work. In fact, I'd love to learn more from
people who've done more of this type of meta-programming. If people decide
to discuss this in the unconference/discussion kind of way, I'd love to sit
with a laptop and go through examples and help/get help when I get stuck.
Turtles was incredibly informative technically. Hopefully we'll see plenty
of Pythonistas at our soon to be announced event.

Cheers,


Glen
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From jjinux at gmail.com  Sun Mar  7 07:42:28 2010
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 22:42:28 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Techniques for Building Third-party RESTful Web
	Services
In-Reply-To: <c41f67b91002261915s3b65a2ei5595ff8c45471cac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c41f67b91002261915s3b65a2ei5595ff8c45471cac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c41f67b91003062242g674ce141u4ad17b56b80b099d@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, my friend's hosting account went down.  Try:
https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B_Z56A18VRlxNjhmMjUzM2QtODlhOS00OTM3LWExOGMtNWM1ZjM4ZjIwZTI5&hl=en

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com>wrote:

> Thanks to everyone who came to my talk.  Here are the slides:
>
> http://jjinux.blogspot.com/2009/06/talk-techniques-for-building-third.html
>
> Happy Hacking!
> -jj
>
> --
> In this life we cannot do great things. We can only do small things with
> great love. -- Mother Teresa
> http://jjinux.blogspot.com/
>



-- 
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From jjinux at gmail.com  Sun Mar  7 07:50:24 2010
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2010 22:50:24 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Advices on twisted...
In-Reply-To: <9BFAB56B-E8D6-4309-ADB3-D4E073E98936@bsdhost.net>
References: <9BFAB56B-E8D6-4309-ADB3-D4E073E98936@bsdhost.net>
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On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Fred C <fred at bsdhost.net> wrote:

>
> Hi guys! I am wondering if there is someone in the bay area with a deep
> knowledge of twisted, I can meet over a beer or any other drink, to ask him
> some advice, have some chat and code review for one of my small project?
>  I'll pay for the drinks...
>
>
Have a look at my talk on Python Concurrency:
http://jjinux.blogspot.com/2009/12/python-concurrency.html

;)
-jj

-- 
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From rich at noir.com  Sun Mar  7 22:38:55 2010
From: rich at noir.com (K. Richard Pixley)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 13:38:55 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Another newbie question... debuggers
Message-ID: <4B941CEF.8040205@noir.com>

What are people using to debug beyond pdb?

I've been using pdb and it seems to work as far as it goes.  But I've 
run into two problems in the last week that couldn't be debugged with 
pdb so I'm wondering if there's a definitive alternative that people are 
using, (aside from gdb).

--rich

From cappy2112 at gmail.com  Sun Mar  7 22:51:40 2010
From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 13:51:40 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Another newbie question... debuggers
In-Reply-To: <4B941CEF.8040205@noir.com>
References: <4B941CEF.8040205@noir.com>
Message-ID: <8249c4ac1003071351x569d3563m8665f8b771366dd9@mail.gmail.com>

WingIDE

WinPDB

Both are multi-platform, but you will need a graphical environment
(non-console)


On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 1:38 PM, K. Richard Pixley <rich at noir.com> wrote:

> What are people using to debug beyond pdb?
>
> I've been using pdb and it seems to work as far as it goes.  But I've run
> into two problems in the last week that couldn't be debugged with pdb so I'm
> wondering if there's a definitive alternative that people are using, (aside
> from gdb).
>
> --rich
> _______________________________________________
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From keith at dartworks.biz  Sun Mar  7 22:57:49 2010
From: keith at dartworks.biz (Keith Dart)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 13:57:49 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Another newbie question... debuggers
In-Reply-To: <4B941CEF.8040205@noir.com>
References: <4B941CEF.8040205@noir.com>
Message-ID: <20100307135749.2b39a49f@dartworks.biz>

=== On Sun, 03/07, K. Richard Pixley wrote: ===
> I've been using pdb and it seems to work as far as it goes.  But I've 
> run into two problems in the last week that couldn't be debugged with 
> pdb so I'm wondering if there's a definitive alternative that people
> are using, (aside from gdb).

===

I use pycopia.debugger. It's my own enhanced version of pdb. It is
console based, but might not work on non-posix platforms. 



-- Keith Dart

-- 

-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   Keith Dart <keith at dartworks.biz>
   public key: ID: 19017044
   <http://www.dartworks.biz/>
   =====================================================================

From keith at dartworks.biz  Sun Mar  7 22:58:57 2010
From: keith at dartworks.biz (Keith Dart)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 13:58:57 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Another newbie question... debuggers
In-Reply-To: <4B941CEF.8040205@noir.com>
References: <4B941CEF.8040205@noir.com>
Message-ID: <20100307135857.7aaf8eb8@dartworks.biz>

=== On Sun, 03/07, K. Richard Pixley wrote: ===
> But I've 
> run into two problems in the last week that couldn't be debugged with 
> pdb 
===

Also, I'm curious about what problems could not be debugged with pdb?


-- Keith Dart

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From simeonf at gmail.com  Sun Mar  7 23:41:13 2010
From: simeonf at gmail.com (Simeon Franklin)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 14:41:13 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Another newbie question... debuggers
In-Reply-To: <4B941CEF.8040205@noir.com>
References: <4B941CEF.8040205@noir.com>
Message-ID: <e58a4bea1003071441o337ae844q277f0986de05194@mail.gmail.com>

I've been using pudb lately - it's a curses app that adds a few
niceties like local variable values to stock pdb but remains a
lightweight (console based) option...

-regards
Simeon Franklin

On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 1:38 PM, K. Richard Pixley <rich at noir.com> wrote:
> What are people using to debug beyond pdb?
>
> I've been using pdb and it seems to work as far as it goes. ?But I've run
> into two problems in the last week that couldn't be debugged with pdb so I'm
> wondering if there's a definitive alternative that people are using, (aside
> from gdb).
>
> --rich
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>

From rich at noir.com  Sun Mar  7 23:49:18 2010
From: rich at noir.com (K. Richard Pixley)
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:49:18 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Another newbie question... debuggers
In-Reply-To: <20100307135857.7aaf8eb8@dartworks.biz>
References: <4B941CEF.8040205@noir.com> <20100307135857.7aaf8eb8@dartworks.biz>
Message-ID: <4B942D6E.7030904@noir.com>

Keith Dart wrote:
> Also, I'm curious about what problems could not be debugged with pdb?
Previous problem was a python core dump.  I got it narrowed down to a 
call into pyyaml, but the pyyaml people claim it's not theirs.  I 
haven't taken the time to debug it further.  I coded around it instead.

Current problem I don't yet know.  I can usually get it to a particular 
place in the code and then pdb ceases to be responsive.  Coding around 
this one is more problematic since I don't really know what the problem 
is yet.  Outside of pdb, the code simply appears to hang.  Just this 
minute, it looks like a timing issue in twisted since strace says the 
hang is on "select" with only 1 descriptor, (I'm expecting several), but 
I'll likely have a different answer an hour from now.

--rich



From andywiggin at gmail.com  Tue Mar  9 18:42:20 2010
From: andywiggin at gmail.com (Andy Wiggin)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 09:42:20 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Another newbie question... debuggers
In-Reply-To: <4B941CEF.8040205@noir.com>
References: <4B941CEF.8040205@noir.com>
Message-ID: <74e7428a1003090942k198772aaj131dc9a05052a035@mail.gmail.com>

I use the PyDev plugin to Eclipse. I spend most of my coding time
writing C code in Eclipse, so staying in Eclipse when switching
languages is an advantage for me. PyDev has GUIs for breakpoints,
local variables, etc., and if you use the editor you also get the
expected syntax highlighting, auto-indent, etc. But I suspect that if
you couldn't debug it with pdb, you also couldn't debug it with PyDev.

OTOH, if you had a debuggable CPython process running you could attach
to it with Eclipse (with CDT, not PyDev) and see what was going on
inside (just as you could with gdb). If you thought you might be
spending a lot of time switching between debugging Python code and
debugging loaded python modules or CPython itself, it might worth it
to do it this way.

-Andy

On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 1:38 PM, K. Richard Pixley <rich at noir.com> wrote:
> What are people using to debug beyond pdb?
>
> I've been using pdb and it seems to work as far as it goes. ?But I've run
> into two problems in the last week that couldn't be debugged with pdb so I'm
> wondering if there's a definitive alternative that people are using, (aside
> from gdb).
>
> --rich
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>

From kshipras at packtpub.com  Thu Mar 11 12:23:53 2010
From: kshipras at packtpub.com (Kshipra Singh)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:53:53 +0530
Subject: [Baypiggies] Opportunity to author Python Cookbooks- Packt
	Publishing
Message-ID: <2348912C062B417BA4C12F4E4903904C@sonyPC>

Hi Python Enthusiasts, 

I am writing to you for Packt Publishing, the publishers of computer related books.

We are planning to extend our catalogue of cookbooks and are currently inviting "Python" fanatics interested in writing a cookbook. So, if you love "Python" and are interested in writing a cookbook, please contact us with your book ideas at author at packtpub.com. Even if you do not have a book idea and are simply interested in authoring a cookbook, we are still keen to hear from you. 

More details about the opportunity are available at: http://authors.packtpub.com/content/python-fanatics-invited-write-packt

Thanks
Kshipra Singh
Author Relationship Manager
Packt Publishing
www.PacktPub.com
 
Skype: kshiprasingh15
Twitter: http://twitter.com/kshipras
 
Interested in becoming an author? Visit http://authors.packtpub.com for all the information you need about writing for Packt.
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Thu Mar 11 18:59:15 2010
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:59:15 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Opportunity to author Python Cookbooks- Packt
	Publishing
In-Reply-To: <2348912C062B417BA4C12F4E4903904C@sonyPC>
References: <2348912C062B417BA4C12F4E4903904C@sonyPC>
Message-ID: <d1de3b721003110959y611858e9h3f484f2799f5809f@mail.gmail.com>

Kshipra,

   Do you know that there already is a Python Cookbook (with that name)
edited by awesome members of BayPIGgies?

http://books.google.com/books?id=yhfdQgq8JF4C&dq=python+cookbook&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=Jy-ZS7r0L6batAOztOE_&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBUQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=&f=false



On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Kshipra Singh <kshipras at packtpub.com>wrote:

>  Hi Python Enthusiasts,
>
>  I am writing to you for Packt Publishing, the publishers of computer
> related books.
>
> We are planning to extend our catalogue of cookbooks and are currently
> inviting "Python" fanatics interested in writing a cookbook. So, if you love
> "Python" and are interested in writing a cookbook, please contact us with
> your book ideas at author at packtpub.com. Even if you do not have a book
> idea and are simply interested in authoring a cookbook, we are still keen to
> hear from you.
>
> More details about the opportunity are available at:
> http://authors.packtpub.com/content/python-fanatics-invited-write-packt
>
> Thanks
> Kshipra Singh
> Author Relationship Manager
> Packt Publishing
> www.PacktPub.com
>
> Skype: kshiprasingh15
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kshipras
>
> Interested in becoming an author? Visit http://authors.packtpub.com for
> all the information you need about writing for Packt.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
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From kshipras at packtpub.com  Fri Mar 12 07:15:26 2010
From: kshipras at packtpub.com (Kshipra Singh)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:45:26 +0530
Subject: [Baypiggies] Opportunity to author Python Cookbooks- Packt
	Publishing
In-Reply-To: <d1de3b721003110959y611858e9h3f484f2799f5809f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2348912C062B417BA4C12F4E4903904C@sonyPC>
	<d1de3b721003110959y611858e9h3f484f2799f5809f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1D0A76A180934883917E987FF5728A7A@sonyPC>

Hi Glen, 

Thank you for your e-mail. 

Yes, I am aware of this cookbook. However, I didn't know that Baypiggies edited it :-)
The cookbooks we are proposing will be more focussed on things like Mercurial,  Python imagining library, PyQT, PyGTK and Jython etc, as the press release says. These cookbooks will be smaller than the existing one. So, if any of the Baypiggies members are interested in authoring...it will be our pleasure to discuss with them. 

I hope this helps. 

Kshipra

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Glen Jarvis 
  To: Kshipra Singh 
  Cc: baypiggies at python.org 
  Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 11:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Opportunity to author Python Cookbooks- Packt Publishing


  Kshipra,

     Do you know that there already is a Python Cookbook (with that name) edited by awesome members of BayPIGgies?

  http://books.google.com/books?id=yhfdQgq8JF4C&dq=python+cookbook&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=Jy-ZS7r0L6batAOztOE_&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBUQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=&f=false




  On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Kshipra Singh <kshipras at packtpub.com> wrote:

    Hi Python Enthusiasts, 

    I am writing to you for Packt Publishing, the publishers of computer related books.

    We are planning to extend our catalogue of cookbooks and are currently inviting "Python" fanatics interested in writing a cookbook. So, if you love "Python" and are interested in writing a cookbook, please contact us with your book ideas at author at packtpub.com. Even if you do not have a book idea and are simply interested in authoring a cookbook, we are still keen to hear from you. 

    More details about the opportunity are available at: http://authors.packtpub.com/content/python-fanatics-invited-write-packt

    Thanks
    Kshipra Singh
    Author Relationship Manager
    Packt Publishing
    www.PacktPub.com
     
    Skype: kshiprasingh15
    Twitter: http://twitter.com/kshipras
     
    Interested in becoming an author? Visit http://authors.packtpub.com for all the information you need about writing for Packt.


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From tony at tcapp.com  Fri Mar 12 07:49:43 2010
From: tony at tcapp.com (Tony Cappellini)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:49:43 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Opportunity to author Python Cookbooks- Packt
	Publishing
In-Reply-To: <1D0A76A180934883917E987FF5728A7A@sonyPC>
References: <2348912C062B417BA4C12F4E4903904C@sonyPC>
	<d1de3b721003110959y611858e9h3f484f2799f5809f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1D0A76A180934883917E987FF5728A7A@sonyPC>
Message-ID: <8249c4ac1003112249td7c6184iaf56345cb97e8c08@mail.gmail.com>

Well, BayPiggies didn't edit it, exactly.
One of the members of Baypiggies co-authored the book.


On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Kshipra Singh <kshipras at packtpub.com>wrote:

>  Hi Glen,
>
> Thank you for your e-mail.
>
> Yes, I am aware of this cookbook. However, I didn't know that Baypiggies
> edited it :-)
> The cookbooks we are proposing will be more focussed on things
> like Mercurial,  Python imagining library, PyQT, PyGTK and Jython etc, as
> the press release says. These cookbooks will be smaller than the existing
> one. So, if any of the Baypiggies members are interested in authoring...it
> will be our pleasure to discuss with them.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Kshipra
>
>
>
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Fri Mar 12 16:44:58 2010
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 07:44:58 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Opportunity to author Python Cookbooks- Packt
	Publishing
In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac1003112249td7c6184iaf56345cb97e8c08@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2348912C062B417BA4C12F4E4903904C@sonyPC>
	<d1de3b721003110959y611858e9h3f484f2799f5809f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1D0A76A180934883917E987FF5728A7A@sonyPC>
	<8249c4ac1003112249td7c6184iaf56345cb97e8c08@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E009A3A7-C02C-4AD1-B872-86BA02DFE522@glenjarvis.com>

Tony,

I agree with your correction. I think this comes from my origional  
word choices.

I was origionally going to say co-authored until I pulled up the link  
on the front of the book to confirm Alex's contribution. I changed my  
verbiage to match the book cover (edited instead of authored).

I also said BayPIGies (plural) because I didn't know if David was also  
an active member of BayPIGgies and didn't want to leave him out in  
case he was.

Sorry if this added confusion...

Cheers,


Glen

On Mar 11, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Tony Cappellini <tony at tcapp.com> wrote:

> Well, BayPiggies didn't edit it, exactly.
> One of the members of Baypiggies co-authored the book.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Kshipra Singh  
> <kshipras at packtpub.com> wrote:
> Hi Glen,
>
> Thank you for your e-mail.
>
> Yes, I am aware of this cookbook. However, I didn't know that  
> Baypiggies edited it :-)
> The cookbooks we are proposing will be more focussed on things like  
> Mercurial,  Python imagining library, PyQT, PyGTK and Jython etc, as  
> the press release says. These cookbooks will be smaller than the  
> existing one. So, if any of the Baypiggies members are interested in  
> authoring...it will be our pleasure to discuss with them.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Kshipra
>
>
>
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From aleax at google.com  Fri Mar 12 21:29:52 2010
From: aleax at google.com (Alex Martelli)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:29:52 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Opportunity to author Python Cookbooks- Packt
	Publishing
In-Reply-To: <8249c4ac1003112249td7c6184iaf56345cb97e8c08@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2348912C062B417BA4C12F4E4903904C@sonyPC>
	<d1de3b721003110959y611858e9h3f484f2799f5809f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1D0A76A180934883917E987FF5728A7A@sonyPC>
	<8249c4ac1003112249td7c6184iaf56345cb97e8c08@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55dc209b1003121229r72aa0f4dya9f4dde1d284b693@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Tony Cappellini <tony at tcapp.com> wrote:
> Well, BayPiggies didn't edit it, exactly.
> One of the members of Baypiggies co-authored the book.

Two.


Alex

From aleax at google.com  Fri Mar 12 21:31:22 2010
From: aleax at google.com (Alex Martelli)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:31:22 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Opportunity to author Python Cookbooks- Packt
	Publishing
In-Reply-To: <E009A3A7-C02C-4AD1-B872-86BA02DFE522@glenjarvis.com>
References: <2348912C062B417BA4C12F4E4903904C@sonyPC>
	<d1de3b721003110959y611858e9h3f484f2799f5809f@mail.gmail.com>
	<1D0A76A180934883917E987FF5728A7A@sonyPC>
	<8249c4ac1003112249td7c6184iaf56345cb97e8c08@mail.gmail.com>
	<E009A3A7-C02C-4AD1-B872-86BA02DFE522@glenjarvis.com>
Message-ID: <55dc209b1003121231j559c0e55me38a1831ec8a8389@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 7:44 AM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
> Tony,
>
> I agree with your correction. I think this comes from my origional word
> choices.
> I was origionally going to say co-authored until I pulled up the link on the
> front of the book to confirm Alex's contribution. I changed my verbiage to
> match the book cover (edited instead of authored).
> I also said BayPIGies (plural) because I didn't know if David was also an
> active member of BayPIGgies and didn't want to leave him out in case he was.

David's in Vancouver (even though he visits the Mozilla mothership regularly;-).

Anna's not;-).  (2nd edition only, which may explain the confusion).


Alex

From sfseth at gmail.com  Fri Mar 12 23:46:29 2010
From: sfseth at gmail.com (Seth Friedman)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:46:29 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Talking to Oracle from Python on a mac 10.5 ?
Message-ID: <64e45fca1003121446v751bf084x135a8ee243be8245@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks

I find myself working in an Oracle environment with an intel Mac running
10.5.8, and getting the Python connectivity to Oracle just seems to be far
more difficult than seems reasonable.

With Oracle Instantclient and zx_Oracle I tried all the instructions I could
find online, a few different versions, and in all the different cases, it
blows up on the import:

seths-macbook-pro:py seth$ python -c 'import cx_Oracle'
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
  File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-fat/egg/cx_Oracle.py", line 7, in <module>
  File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-fat/egg/cx_Oracle.py", line 6, in
__bootstrap__
ImportError:
dlopen(/Users/seth/.python-eggs/cx_Oracle-5.0.3-py2.6-macosx-10.3-fat.egg-tmp/cx_Oracle.so,
2): Symbol not found: _OCIAttrGet
  Referenced from:
/Users/seth/.python-eggs/cx_Oracle-5.0.3-py2.6-macosx-10.3-fat.egg-tmp/cx_Oracle.so
  Expected in: dynamic lookup

I've got to think it's possible, by mortals, to open a connection to a 10g
Oracle instance, from Python, in this kind of Mac.   I do hope I'm not being
naive there.

I've heard of this technology ODBC, maybe therein lies a solution.

~seth
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From nad at acm.org  Sat Mar 13 05:26:50 2010
From: nad at acm.org (Ned Deily)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:26:50 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Talking to Oracle from Python on a mac 10.5 ?
References: <64e45fca1003121446v751bf084x135a8ee243be8245@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <nad-1AF7D4.20265012032010@news.gmane.org>

In article 
<64e45fca1003121446v751bf084x135a8ee243be8245 at mail.gmail.com>,
 Seth Friedman <sfseth at gmail.com> wrote:
> I find myself working in an Oracle environment with an intel Mac running
> 10.5.8, and getting the Python connectivity to Oracle just seems to be far
> more difficult than seems reasonable.
> 
> With Oracle Instantclient and zx_Oracle I tried all the instructions I could
> find online, a few different versions, and in all the different cases, it
> blows up on the import:
> 
> seths-macbook-pro:py seth$ python -c 'import cx_Oracle'
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "<string>", line 1, in <module>
>   File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-fat/egg/cx_Oracle.py", line 7, in <module>
>   File "build/bdist.macosx-10.3-fat/egg/cx_Oracle.py", line 6, in
> __bootstrap__
> ImportError:
> dlopen(/Users/seth/.python-eggs/cx_Oracle-5.0.3-py2.6-macosx-10.3-fat.egg-tmp/
> cx_Oracle.so,
> 2): Symbol not found: _OCIAttrGet
>   Referenced from:
> /Users/seth/.python-eggs/cx_Oracle-5.0.3-py2.6-macosx-10.3-fat.egg-tmp/cx_Orac
> le.so
>   Expected in: dynamic lookup
> 
> I've got to think it's possible, by mortals, to open a connection to a 10g
> Oracle instance, from Python, in this kind of Mac.   I do hope I'm not being
> naive there.

I don't have any personal experience with cx_Oracle or Oracle's client 
libraries from OS X but, from Googling around, it seems that others have 
had the same problem symptom:

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.db.cx-oracle/1233

If I understand the situation correctly, that problem may have been 
either a result of using the PPC-only version of the libraries or an 
ABI-level mismatch, i.e. attempting to use the Intel libraries targeted 
for 10.5 with a Python that was targeted for 10.3 and up.  From the path 
above I'm guessing you also may have installed the python.org python 
2.6.  Make sure you have the Intel-version of the Oracle client libs and 
try installing with a 10.5-targeted Python.  The Apple-supplied 
python2.5 in /usr/bin should be OK.  Or you can use MacPorts (for sure) 
or Homebrew (haven't tried it myself) to install a Python 2.6 built 
specifically for 10.5.  Or you can build your own framework if you're 
careful prior to running configure:
  export MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=10.5
And you may need to set DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH to point at the lib directory 
of the client lib.

If you still have problems, you might want to ask on either the 
cx-oracle or macpython lists:

http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.db.cx-oracle
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.apple

-- 
 Ned Deily,
 nad at acm.org


From glen at glenjarvis.com  Mon Mar 15 20:41:47 2010
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:41:47 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Mark your calendars :)
Message-ID: <d1de3b721003151241v1713d9dq91ec9410bc9bfbc2@mail.gmail.com>

Reserve a place in your calendar for a week from Friday.

On Friday the 26-March from 11 am until about 5ish, we're doing a dump of
the most popular PyCon Videos. We're also doing an Open Spaces
"unconference" -- so, like any good party, if enough people show up, there
will be lots of discussion and learning...

I don't have a place yet for you to RSVP automatically -- it was a heck of a
week for me and I was away on a bicycle training ride this weekend. But, if
you want to email me and let me know you're coming, I'll keep the list.

This is scheduled to be in the San Francisco hacker space Noisebridge.

More details will follow -- but mark your calendars now for a learning
experience :)


Glen
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From tungwaiyip at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 15 20:18:13 2010
From: tungwaiyip at yahoo.com (Tung Wai Yip)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:18:13 -0600
Subject: [Baypiggies] Mark your calendars :)
In-Reply-To: <d1de3b721003151241v1713d9dq91ec9410bc9bfbc2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d1de3b721003151241v1713d9dq91ec9410bc9bfbc2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.u9mlcndfoiuain@smtp.mail.yahoo.com>

I was under the impression that this is going to take place on Saturday.  
Friday is difficult for those who have full time job.

Wai Yip

> Reserve a place in your calendar for a week from Friday.
>
> On Friday the 26-March from 11 am until about 5ish, we're doing a dump of
> the most popular PyCon Videos. We're also doing an Open Spaces
> "unconference" -- so, like any good party, if enough people show up,  
> there
> will be lots of discussion and learning...
>
> I don't have a place yet for you to RSVP automatically -- it was a heck  
> of a
> week for me and I was away on a bicycle training ride this weekend. But,  
> if
> you want to email me and let me know you're coming, I'll keep the list.
>
> This is scheduled to be in the San Francisco hacker space Noisebridge.
>
> More details will follow -- but mark your calendars now for a learning
> experience :)
>
>
> Glen


-- 
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Mon Mar 15 21:33:22 2010
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:33:22 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Mark your calendars :) CORRECTION DATE INCORRECT
Message-ID: <d1de3b721003151333r4f45cf46md813896ebccda6c1@mail.gmail.com>

Ack! After all that effort to save confusion and do this offline so we can
announce a single date, I screw up the announcement.

This is SATURDAY, not Friday... March 27. I work during the week, there's no
way I can do it during the week.

Sorry! (That's what I get for rushing the announcement)...


Glen

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:

> Reserve a place in your calendar for a week from Friday.
>
> On Friday the 26-March from 11 am until about 5ish, we're doing a dump of
> the most popular PyCon Videos. We're also doing an Open Spaces
> "unconference" -- so, like any good party, if enough people show up, there
> will be lots of discussion and learning...
>
> I don't have a place yet for you to RSVP automatically -- it was a heck of
> a week for me and I was away on a bicycle training ride this weekend. But,
> if you want to email me and let me know you're coming, I'll keep the list.
>
> This is scheduled to be in the San Francisco hacker space Noisebridge.
>
> More details will follow -- but mark your calendars now for a learning
> experience :)
>
>
> Glen
>
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Mon Mar 15 21:34:40 2010
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:34:40 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Mark your calendars :)
In-Reply-To: <op.u9mlcndfoiuain@smtp.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <d1de3b721003151241v1713d9dq91ec9410bc9bfbc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.u9mlcndfoiuain@smtp.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d1de3b721003151334x79f2d092t256b932d538b62ba@mail.gmail.com>

Wai Yip

   I also have a full time job and couldn't make Friday. I so *screwed up*
this announcement. My only hope is that I catch it in time before people
start marking their calendars for Friday.

I'll probably send a reminder a few more times in the next few weeks to make
certain there's no confusion.

Ooops :(  Sorry for the confusion



Glen


On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Tung Wai Yip <tungwaiyip at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I was under the impression that this is going to take place on Saturday.
> Friday is difficult for those who have full time job.
>
> Wai Yip
>
>
>  Reserve a place in your calendar for a week from Friday.
>>
>> On Friday the 26-March from 11 am until about 5ish, we're doing a dump of
>> the most popular PyCon Videos. We're also doing an Open Spaces
>> "unconference" -- so, like any good party, if enough people show up, there
>> will be lots of discussion and learning...
>>
>> I don't have a place yet for you to RSVP automatically -- it was a heck of
>> a
>> week for me and I was away on a bicycle training ride this weekend. But,
>> if
>> you want to email me and let me know you're coming, I'll keep the list.
>>
>> This is scheduled to be in the San Francisco hacker space Noisebridge.
>>
>> More details will follow -- but mark your calendars now for a learning
>> experience :)
>>
>>
>> Glen
>>
>
>
> --
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>
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Mon Mar 15 21:43:06 2010
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:43:06 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Mark your calendars :)
In-Reply-To: <d1de3b721003151334x79f2d092t256b932d538b62ba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d1de3b721003151241v1713d9dq91ec9410bc9bfbc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.u9mlcndfoiuain@smtp.mail.yahoo.com>
	<d1de3b721003151334x79f2d092t256b932d538b62ba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100315204306.GA2256@panix.com>

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010, Glen Jarvis wrote:
>
> I'll probably send a reminder a few more times in the next few weeks
> to make certain there's no confusion.

You're still confused if you think that less than two weeks counts as a
"few weeks".  ;-)
-- 
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"Many customs in this life persist because they ease friction and promote
productivity as a result of universal agreement, and whether they are
precisely the optimal choices is much less important." --Henry Spencer

From tungwaiyip at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 15 20:52:39 2010
From: tungwaiyip at yahoo.com (Tung Wai Yip)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:52:39 -0600
Subject: [Baypiggies] Mark your calendars :)
In-Reply-To: <d1de3b721003151334x79f2d092t256b932d538b62ba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d1de3b721003151241v1713d9dq91ec9410bc9bfbc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.u9mlcndfoiuain@smtp.mail.yahoo.com>
	<d1de3b721003151334x79f2d092t256b932d538b62ba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.u9mmx1l9oiuain@smtp.mail.yahoo.com>

No problem. Thanks for putting this together!

Wai Yip


> Wai Yip
>
>    I also have a full time job and couldn't make Friday. I so *screwed  
> up*
> this announcement. My only hope is that I catch it in time before people
> start marking their calendars for Friday.
>
> I'll probably send a reminder a few more times in the next few weeks to  
> make
> certain there's no confusion.
>
> Ooops :(  Sorry for the confusion
>
>
>
> Glen
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Tung Wai Yip <tungwaiyip at yahoo.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> I was under the impression that this is going to take place on Saturday.
>> Friday is difficult for those who have full time job.
>>
>> Wai Yip
>>
>>
>>  Reserve a place in your calendar for a week from Friday.
>>>
>>> On Friday the 26-March from 11 am until about 5ish, we're doing a dump  
>>> of
>>> the most popular PyCon Videos. We're also doing an Open Spaces
>>> "unconference" -- so, like any good party, if enough people show up,  
>>> there
>>> will be lots of discussion and learning...
>>>
>>> I don't have a place yet for you to RSVP automatically -- it was a  
>>> heck of
>>> a
>>> week for me and I was away on a bicycle training ride this weekend.  
>>> But,
>>> if
>>> you want to email me and let me know you're coming, I'll keep the list.
>>>
>>> This is scheduled to be in the San Francisco hacker space Noisebridge.
>>>
>>> More details will follow -- but mark your calendars now for a learning
>>> experience :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Glen
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
>>
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>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Mon Mar 15 21:58:52 2010
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:58:52 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Mark your calendars :)
In-Reply-To: <20100315204306.GA2256@panix.com>
References: <d1de3b721003151241v1713d9dq91ec9410bc9bfbc2@mail.gmail.com>
	<op.u9mlcndfoiuain@smtp.mail.yahoo.com>
	<d1de3b721003151334x79f2d092t256b932d538b62ba@mail.gmail.com>
	<20100315204306.GA2256@panix.com>
Message-ID: <d1de3b721003151358s57a75097k7912b778999e1132@mail.gmail.com>

>
> > I'll probably send a reminder a few more times in the next few weeks
> > to make certain there's no confusion.
>
> You're still confused if you think that less than two weeks counts as a
> "few weeks".  ;-)
>

:) I should have said couple instead of few *sigh*...

Or better yet, "this and next" [week]....

I really rushed this announcement :(

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From chrisg at surveymonkey.com  Wed Mar 17 19:53:59 2010
From: chrisg at surveymonkey.com (Chris George)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:53:59 -0500
Subject: [Baypiggies] Pylons + Jinja2 i18n
Message-ID: <F0BE0CFB-CA76-4C7B-9015-94299C026FED@surveymonkey.com>

Hey all,
I just learned about this list and I was hoping that you all may be able to help out.

I'm attempting to integrate Jinja2 and Pylons - smooth sailing there. But, I cannot seem to figure out how to enable Jinja2 i18n in the templating system in Pylons (using their built in method for babel). The documentation is sort of useful, but not completely.

Does anyone have any experience with this that could help point me in the right direction?

Thanks kindly,
Chris George | chrisg at surveymonkey.com



From glen at glenjarvis.com  Fri Mar 19 18:27:03 2010
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:27:03 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] So, what are you doing next weekend?
Message-ID: <d1de3b721003191027q343f2aa4kf03e027e67752346@mail.gmail.com>

So, you're having a latte with your friends and someone asks "So, what are
you doing next weekend?"

Of course you're going to say...  "We're watching videos from PyCon this
year"  A bunch of Pythonistas -- how cool.

Q: "Where is it?" they ask..
A: At Noisebridge (https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Noisebridge) in San
Francisco...

Q: "Can anyone come?"
A: Absolutely... it'll be awesome...

Q: "How many people will be there"?
A: It's not really planned that much. It's just getting people together who
want to watch the videos but just haven't.. It's a "let's show up and geek
out"

Q: Do I have to sign up?
A: Nah.. But, if you're going to go send an email to the organizers so they
can get a head count...

Q: "When is it again"?
A: Saturday -- next week

Q: What time?
A: Starts at 11...

Coool..  I heard there was a talk about decorators that was really cool...
Oh yeah.. And, and the GIL talk.. Oh.. and....
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From donnamsnow at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 19:48:04 2010
From: donnamsnow at gmail.com (Donna Snow)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 11:48:04 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Quick survey on possible Django class in April
Message-ID: <baf0d46b1003231148k7928a196u1a0763438b7cfc59@mail.gmail.com>

There were a few disappointed students when I had to cancel February's
Django class...

I'm considering asking Andy McKay to teach a class towards the end of April
- how many here would be interested if the class fee was around $400 for
about 16 hours of training? Maybe a Django Training with BBQ & Beer? Either
a weekend Saturday & Sunday - 8 hours a day OR no bbq and 4 nights of
training from 6-10pm.Most of you don't need/want training but there are
quite a few interested in/working with Django that need that extra push.

About Andy

"Andy has worked very actively in the Open Source community, focusing on web
application development using languages such as Django, Python, Plone, Zope
and more. He was a key contributor to the Plone development community
including contributing to the source code, VP on the Plone Foundation board,
authoring the first book on Plone, "The Definitive Guide to Plone", creating
local user groups, giving training, speaking at conferences and mentoring.

His current company, Clearwind Consulting, has Andy deeply involved in the
Django development community. Alongside several projects, he was recently
involved in UNICEF Innovation Group and the Earth Institute's RapidResponse
development and implementation in Kenya. He flew to Kenya to help the
project set up infrastructure that allowed community health professionals to
communicate quickly via the RapidResponse SMS system, allowing low or no
cost SMS with group and health issue logging features. He is giving two
talks at DjangoCon 2009.

Andy continues to train, speak, mentor and consult on web application
development. When not kayaking someplace, he lives in Vancouver, Canada with
his wife and two young daughters."

What do you think? Is this something that would be interesting to some here?
If so I'll get it setup and beg Andy to set aside a weekend to come down
here from Vancouver and teach us a thing or two about Django development.


Best Regards,

Donna 'SnowWrite' Snow
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From jim at well.com  Wed Mar 24 01:48:10 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:48:10 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] BayPIGgies meeting Thursday, March 25,
	2010: Python 3: The Next	Generation
Message-ID: <1269391690.6541.59.camel@jim-laptop>




BayPIGgies meeting Thursday, March 25, 2010: Python 3: The Next
Generation

Tonight's talk is 
* Python 3: The Next Generation 
by Wesley Chun 

Meetings usually start with a Newbie Nugget, a short discussion 
of an essential Python feature, especially for those new to 
Python. 
Tonight's Newbie Nugget: None: It's all Py 3 tonight! 

LOCATION 
Symantec Corporation
Symantec Vcafe
350 Ellis Street
Mountain View, CA 94043
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&ei=w6i_Sfr6MZmQsQOzlv0v&hl=en&t=h&msa=0&msid=116202735295394761637.00046550c09ff3d96bff1&ll=37.397693,-122.053707&spn=0.002902,0.004828&z=18

BayPIGgies meeting information is available at 
http://www.baypiggies.net/ 


------------------------ Agenda ------------------------


..... 7:30 PM ...........................
General hubbub, inventory end-of-meeting announcements, any 
first-minute announcements. 


..... 7:35 PM to 7:45 PM ................
Newbie Nugget: Wesley will start his Py 3 talk. 


..... 7:45 PM to 8:40 PM (or so) ................
* Python 3: The Next Generation 

Python is currently at a crossroads: Python 2 has taken it from a
quiet word-of-mouth language to prime time, with many companies 
around the world using it and an ever-increasing global marketshare 
of the programming world. But now comes Python 3, the first version 
of the language that is not backwards compatible with previous 
releases.

What does this mean? 
Are all my Python programs going to break? 
Will I have to rewrite everything? 
How much time do I have? 
When is Python 2 going to be EOL'd? 
Is Python 3 a complete rewrite, and will I even recognize it? 
What are the changes between Python 2 and 3 anyway? 
Are migration plans or transition tools available? 
To start learning Python, should I do Python 2 or Python 3? 
Are all Python 2 books obsolete? 

We will answer all of these questions and more. Join us! For those 
who want to read ahead, check out this online article: 
"Python 3: The Evolution of a Programming Language" 
which can be found at:
http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1328795

We recently delivered this talk at an ACCU USA chapter meeting, the
2009 Silicon Valley CodeCamp, and most recently, at PyCon 2010 in
Atlanta. i will be using the same slidedeck that you can access here:
http://us.pycon.org/2010/conference/schedule/event/29/

WESLEY J. CHUN, MSCS, is the author of Prentice Hall's bestseller,
"Core Python Programming" (http://corepython.com), its video training
course, "Python Fundamentals" (LiveLessons DVD), and co-author of
"Python Web Development with Django" (http://withdjango.com). In
addition to being a Developer Advocate at Google and a volunteer
coordinator for BayPIGgies, he runs CyberWeb 
http://cyberwebconsulting.com 
a consulting business specializing in Python software engineering and 
technical training. He has over 25 years of programming, teaching, 
and writing experience, including more than a decade of Python. While 
at Yahoo!, he helped create Yahoo! Mail and Yahoo! People Search using 
Python. He holds degrees in Computer Science, Mathematics, and Music 
from the University of California.


..... 8:50 PM to 9:30 PM  ................
Mapping and Random Access

Mapping is a rapid-fire audience announcement of issues, hiring, 
events, and other topics. 

Random Access follows people immediately to allow follow up on the 
announcements and other interests.




From jim at well.com  Wed Mar 24 02:20:04 2010
From: jim at well.com (jim)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 17:20:04 -0800
Subject: [Baypiggies] Quick survey on possible Django class in April
In-Reply-To: <baf0d46b1003231148k7928a196u1a0763438b7cfc59@mail.gmail.com>
References: <baf0d46b1003231148k7928a196u1a0763438b7cfc59@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1269393604.6541.100.camel@jim-laptop>



   I might be willing and able to take such a class. 
I know one or two others who are looking for Django 
training, so I'll pass the word. what are the 
possibilities for lemonade? 



On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 11:48 -0700, Donna Snow wrote:
> There were a few disappointed students when I had to cancel February's
> Django class... 
> 
> 
> I'm considering asking Andy McKay to teach a class towards the end of
> April - how many here would be interested if the class fee was around
> $400 for about 16 hours of training? Maybe a Django Training with BBQ
> & Beer? Either a weekend Saturday & Sunday - 8 hours a day OR no bbq
> and 4 nights of training from 6-10pm.Most of you don't need/want
> training but there are quite a few interested in/working with Django
> that need that extra push. 
> 
> 
> About Andy
> 
> 
> "Andy has worked very actively in the Open Source community, focusing
> on web application development using languages such as Django, Python,
> Plone, Zope and more. He was a key contributor to the Plone
> development community including contributing to the source code, VP on
> the Plone Foundation board, authoring the first book on Plone, "The
> Definitive Guide to Plone", creating local user groups, giving
> training, speaking at conferences and mentoring.
> 
> His current company, Clearwind Consulting, has Andy deeply involved in
> the Django development community. Alongside several projects, he was
> recently involved in UNICEF Innovation Group and the Earth Institute's
> RapidResponse development and implementation in Kenya. He flew to
> Kenya to help the project set up infrastructure that allowed community
> health professionals to communicate quickly via the RapidResponse SMS
> system, allowing low or no cost SMS with group and health issue
> logging features. He is giving two talks at DjangoCon 2009.
> 
> Andy continues to train, speak, mentor and consult on web application
> development. When not kayaking someplace, he lives in Vancouver,
> Canada with his wife and two young daughters."
> 
> What do you think? Is this something that would be interesting to some
> here? If so I'll get it setup and beg Andy to set aside a weekend to
> come down here from Vancouver and teach us a thing or two about Django
> development.
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Donna 'SnowWrite' Snow
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies


From glen at glenjarvis.com  Thu Mar 25 08:15:21 2010
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 00:15:21 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Reminder: BayPIGgies Thrs/PyCon Videos Sat
Message-ID: <d1de3b721003250015y69212300g37d7e081d318e35e@mail.gmail.com>

As a reminder, I will see many of you today (Thursday) at BayPIGgies. It's a
Python 3 talk by Wesley.

Also, we have 15 people RSVPd plus an additional 3 maybes for getting
together and watching PyCon Videos in a hard-core hacker space this
Saturday. To keep RSVPs easier to track, I've created a MeetUp.. Please do
sign up to make planning more automated and easier on me :)

http://www.meetup.com/SF-Post-PyCon-Videos/
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Fri Mar 26 02:22:43 2010
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:22:43 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Grave danger of being very late
Message-ID: <C185BC2B-AE9E-42B9-8B40-4F9B7CBC525E@glenjarvis.com>

I'm having a public transportation nightmare. I'm not yet to CalTrain.  
Anyone leaving the city now? Or, possibly pick me up from any CalTrain  
station. It won't be possible for me to set up in time to record video  
if I don't get help along the way somewhere.

I still have three more public transit legs and a walk. :(. It's  
starting to look impossible :(


Glen

From rami.chowdhury at gmail.com  Fri Mar 26 02:29:34 2010
From: rami.chowdhury at gmail.com (Rami Chowdhury)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:29:34 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Grave danger of being very late
In-Reply-To: <C185BC2B-AE9E-42B9-8B40-4F9B7CBC525E@glenjarvis.com>
References: <C185BC2B-AE9E-42B9-8B40-4F9B7CBC525E@glenjarvis.com>
Message-ID: <201003251829.34961.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>

I can pick you up from a CalTrain station if need be -- going all the way up to 
the city's a bit too far in the wrong direction though, sorry.

On Thursday 25 March 2010 18:22:43 Glen Jarvis wrote:
> I'm having a public transportation nightmare. I'm not yet to CalTrain.
> Anyone leaving the city now? Or, possibly pick me up from any CalTrain
> station. It won't be possible for me to set up in time to record video
> if I don't get help along the way somewhere.
> 
> I still have three more public transit legs and a walk. :(. It's
> starting to look impossible :(
> 
> 
> Glen
> _______________________________________________
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"Strangers are just friends who haven't had enough gin." -- Howdle's Saying
408-597-7068 (US) / 07875-841-046 (UK) / 01819-245544 (BD)

From rami.chowdhury at gmail.com  Fri Mar 26 02:41:47 2010
From: rami.chowdhury at gmail.com (Rami Chowdhury)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 18:41:47 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Grave danger of being very late
In-Reply-To: <201003251829.34961.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
References: <C185BC2B-AE9E-42B9-8B40-4F9B7CBC525E@glenjarvis.com>
	<201003251829.34961.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201003251841.47644.rami.chowdhury@gmail.com>

On Thursday 25 March 2010 18:29:34 Rami Chowdhury wrote:
> I can pick you up from a CalTrain station if need be -- going all the way
> up to the city's a bit too far in the wrong direction though, sorry.
> 

Ring 408 597 7068 if you need a lift :-)

> On Thursday 25 March 2010 18:22:43 Glen Jarvis wrote:
> > I'm having a public transportation nightmare. I'm not yet to CalTrain.
> > Anyone leaving the city now? Or, possibly pick me up from any CalTrain
> > station. It won't be possible for me to set up in time to record video
> > if I don't get help along the way somewhere.
> > 
> > I still have three more public transit legs and a walk. :(. It's
> > starting to look impossible :(
> > 
> > 
> > Glen
> > _______________________________________________
> > Baypiggies mailing list
> > Baypiggies at python.org
> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
> 
> ----
> Rami Chowdhury
> "Strangers are just friends who haven't had enough gin." -- Howdle's Saying
> 408-597-7068 (US) / 07875-841-046 (UK) / 01819-245544 (BD)

----
Rami Chowdhury
"Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice."
-- Grey's Law
408-597-7068 (US) / 07875-841-046 (UK) / 01819-245544 (BD)

From nagappan at gmail.com  Fri Mar 26 07:40:26 2010
From: nagappan at gmail.com (Nagappan Alagappan)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 23:40:26 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Announce: Linux Desktop Testing Project (LDTP) 2.0.4
	released
Message-ID: <9d0602eb1003252340j145ad2e5ue5507be4f45839d4@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

About LDTP:

Linux Desktop Testing Project is aimed at producing high quality test
automation framework (using GNOME / Python) and cutting-edge tools that can
be used to test Linux Desktop and improve it. It uses the Accessibility
libraries to poke through the application's user interface. We strive to
help in building a quality desktop.

Changes in this release:

 LDTPv2 hang in Ubuntu 10.04 is fixed
 Don't navigate table cell, as it causes more resource and time in
OpenOffice calc
 Added new API simulatemousemove for DnD test (VMware Workstation / Player
Unity-GHI feature)
 Patch by Ara Pulido for b.g.o bug # 612311
 Listen all Window events, else new application like Firefox is not listed
 waittillguiexist now can wait for state as well
 hasstate can wait for given time till the state is True

Special thanks to Eitan Isaacson [1], Ara Pulido [2], James Tatum [3], Anupa
Kamath [VMware, India], Slava Podokshik [VMware, USA]

Download source:
http://download.freedesktop.org/ldtp/2.x/2.0.x/ldtp-2.0.4.tar.gz

Download RPM from
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/anagappan:/ldtp2:/rpm/
Will schedule deb build in openSUSE build service tomorrow

Documentation references:

For detailed information on LDTP framework and latest updates visit
http://ldtp.freedesktop.org

For information on various APIs in LDTP including those added for this
release can be got from http://ldtp.freedesktop.org/user-doc/index.html

Report bugs - http://ldtp.freedesktop.org/wiki/Bugs

To subscribe to LDTP mailing lists, visit
http://ldtp.freedesktop.org/wiki/Mailing_20list

IRC Channel - #ldtp on irc.freenode.net

Thanks
Nagappan

[1] - http://monotonous.org/
[2] - http://ubuntutesting.wordpress.com/
[3] - https://launchpad.net/~jtatum


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From rami.chowdhury at gmail.com  Fri Mar 26 09:29:22 2010
From: rami.chowdhury at gmail.com (Rami Chowdhury)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 01:29:22 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python 3 performance
Message-ID: <A4ECF2D3-4EA1-4EFD-9A71-3D2D13D44F13@gmail.com>

As mentioned at tonight's meeting, Python 2.x and 3.x are both on the Shootout:

http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32q/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=python&lang2=python3

That's 2.6.4 vs 3.1.1 - looks like a pretty even race to me!

Cheers,
Rami
-------------
Rami Chowdhury
"Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice." -- Hanlon's Razor
408-597-7068 (US) / 07875-841-046 (UK) / 0189-245544 (BD)





From niallo at unworkable.org  Fri Mar 26 19:57:18 2010
From: niallo at unworkable.org (Niall O'Higgins)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 11:57:18 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] PyWebSF #9: Beyond Java - Jython,
 Python and the JVM. Tue Mar 30th 6pm @ SFPL.
Message-ID: <20100326185718.GT21593@unworkable.org>

Hi folks,

PyWebSF is a Python meet-up with a strong focus on Web technology. From
frameworks like WSGI/Pylons/TurboGears/Django to libraries like httplib2
to using emerging Web technologies like Amazon's AWS and Freebase - its
all covered.

The emphasis is on practical, hands-on lectures and discussion. Meetings
start with one or two 30-40 minute presentations and end with informal
discussion.  Hackathon-style collaboration and project demos are
encouraged.

Who/What
--------

* Eugene Ciurana - "Beyond Java: Jython, Python and the JVM"
  http://is.gd/aWISg

When
----

6PM, Tuesday 30 March 2010.
Please try to arrive on time to avoid disappointment.

Where
-----

Stong conference room, 1st floor, SF Main Public Library.
Map: http://tinyurl.com/pywebsfmap

The library is easily accessible via both BART and Muni at the Civic
Center station.  The library closes at 8pm so we will continue the
discussion over food/drinks at Frjtz Fries [http://www.frjtzfries.com].

More info
---------

Subscribe to our Google Calendar at http://tinyurl.com/pywebcal

Slides, links, and more at http://pywebsf.org/

Thanks!

-- 
Niall O'Higgins
PyWebSF
http://pywebsf.org
http://niallohiggins.com
http://twitter.com/niallohiggins

From glen at glenjarvis.com  Sat Mar 27 17:25:50 2010
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 09:25:50 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python Videos today
Message-ID: <1763E88D-DF3D-4DA0-B248-94906A438A5E@glenjarvis.com>

Were you thinking "watching these pycon videos and having discussion  
with others sounds fun, but I didn't sign up. Can I still join?"

The answer is ABSOLUTELY! I used the meetup site to organize  
everything and make my life easier.

http://www.meetup.com/SF-Post-PyCon-Videos/calendar/12987525/

But, signing up is NOT a requirement. Do check out the site. You  
shouldn't need to sign up to read the links on the page. If your  
driving there is a link to a noisebridge FAQ on getting there by car.

If you're thinking, "can I come anytime" the answer is ABSOLUTELY!

However, be warned that you may miss the video you want to see.  
There's no guarantee on what order we watch these in since today will  
be hosted in an open space format.

I'll see you today :)


Glen

From simeonf at gmail.com  Mon Mar 29 17:12:30 2010
From: simeonf at gmail.com (Simeon Franklin)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:12:30 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Job Opening with Energy Solutions
Message-ID: <e58a4bea1003290812l4596071ey156d1695153904c6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All -

Energy Solutions is looking for a developer with strong Python/Django
skills. The job description is posted at http://energy-solution.com/jobs -
the title for this job is "Information Systems Web Developer". Energy
Solutions is based in Oakland and this is a full-time position.

I'm posting this job to Baypiggies because Energy Solutions has become my
main client over the last 9 months or so and I've really enjoyed the work
I've done with them. They have several large (some very large) Python/Django
apps and the developers and managers I've worked with are very high quality
- I've had fun and learned a lot as well.

I don't have any knowledge of the working environment in Oakland (since I
work off-site) but if you're interested in the job and want to check up on
the people you'd be working for I'm happy to vouch for them and answer any
questions you might have off-list...

-regards
Simeon Franklin
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From tungwaiyip at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 30 19:05:11 2010
From: tungwaiyip at yahoo.com (Tung Wai Yip)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:05:11 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python Videos today
In-Reply-To: <1763E88D-DF3D-4DA0-B248-94906A438A5E@glenjarvis.com>
References: <1763E88D-DF3D-4DA0-B248-94906A438A5E@glenjarvis.com>
Message-ID: <op.vad4ewu5oiuain@smtp.mail.yahoo.com>

Thank you for setting this up and gathering a great group together for a  
Saturday afternoon! This is the next best thing other than going to PyCon  
in person.

Wai Yip


> Were you thinking "watching these pycon videos and having discussion  
> with others sounds fun, but I didn't sign up. Can I still join?"
>
> The answer is ABSOLUTELY! I used the meetup site to organize everything  
> and make my life easier.
>
> http://www.meetup.com/SF-Post-PyCon-Videos/calendar/12987525/
>
> But, signing up is NOT a requirement. Do check out the site. You  
> shouldn't need to sign up to read the links on the page. If your driving  
> there is a link to a noisebridge FAQ on getting there by car.
>
> If you're thinking, "can I come anytime" the answer is ABSOLUTELY!
>
> However, be warned that you may miss the video you want to see. There's  
> no guarantee on what order we watch these in since today will be hosted  
> in an open space format.
>
> I'll see you today :)
>
>
> Glen
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies


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From luca.pellicoro at gmail.com  Tue Mar 30 19:31:26 2010
From: luca.pellicoro at gmail.com (Luca Pellicoro)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:31:26 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python Videos today
In-Reply-To: <op.vad4ewu5oiuain@smtp.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1763E88D-DF3D-4DA0-B248-94906A438A5E@glenjarvis.com> 
	<op.vad4ewu5oiuain@smtp.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <q2rb16f77671003301031v74662f4dl55b044b443f6b7a2@mail.gmail.com>

I had a really good time myself. Thanks for organizing.

Luca

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Tung Wai Yip <tungwaiyip at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thank you for setting this up and gathering a great group together for a
> Saturday afternoon! This is the next best thing other than going to PyCon in
> person.
>
> Wai Yip
>
>
>> Were you thinking "watching these pycon videos and having discussion with
>> others sounds fun, but I didn't sign up. Can I still join?"
>>
>> The answer is ABSOLUTELY! I used the meetup site to organize everything
>> and make my life easier.
>>
>> http://www.meetup.com/SF-Post-PyCon-Videos/calendar/12987525/
>>
>> But, signing up is NOT a requirement. Do check out the site. You shouldn't
>> need to sign up to read the links on the page. If your driving there is a
>> link to a noisebridge FAQ on getting there by car.
>>
>> If you're thinking, "can I come anytime" the answer is ABSOLUTELY!
>>
>> However, be warned that you may miss the video you want to see. There's no
>> guarantee on what order we watch these in since today will be hosted in an
>> open space format.
>>
>> I'll see you today :)
>>
>>
>> Glen
>> _______________________________________________
>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> Baypiggies at python.org
>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>
>
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> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
>
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Tue Mar 30 19:35:10 2010
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:35:10 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python Videos today
In-Reply-To: <op.vad4ewu5oiuain@smtp.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1763E88D-DF3D-4DA0-B248-94906A438A5E@glenjarvis.com>
	<op.vad4ewu5oiuain@smtp.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d1de3b721003301035jd9eb6fdh65315d0624ae4e6e@mail.gmail.com>

> Thank you for setting this up and gathering a great group together for a
> Saturday afternoon! This is the next best thing other than going to PyCon in
> person.
>
> Wai Yip
>

Thank you! :)

I'm not certain it was (yet) "the next best thing other than going to PyCon"
-- although I hope we can do this yearly and it can grow into that. :) There
was a *lot* of noise competition this year which made watching the videos
tedious at times -- something I didn't know would happen.  :(

But, we had some very good natured people who stuck with it. Plus, we did
have some of that 'magic' happen after the videos were over (i.e.,. after
5).

Four of us were in a classroom for hours going over decorators. It was way
cool to see how Rami, Daniel and I all explained different concepts of
decorators. When what one of us were saying didn't "stick" we'd alternate to
the next person who gave a slightly different angle.

I think Alex really loved being the 'guinea pig' for the different
explanations that the three of us gave as we started with the simpler
concepts (functions are real objects) and worked up to the more difficult.

None of that was planned. It just happened. Alex and I were talking... and
then we had others join.. and it just "became" a true open space on
decorators.

Either way... thank you!  :)

We had a wonderful group of volunteers/attendees this year for this
experiment...

Cheers,


Glen
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From yiqi at stanford.edu  Wed Mar 31 00:25:11 2010
From: yiqi at stanford.edu (Yi Qi)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:25:11 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Link Python and Fortran
Message-ID: <w2zf703565a1003301525te2e56c6ete596d92dc3197399@mail.gmail.com>

Hi:

So nice to join the group. I am a python programmer.
I wonder could anyone share with me some direction on how to link Python and
Fortran. I have some oceanographic wave model written in Fortran, and I am
thinking a way to wrap it into Python program I am coding. I google
something called F2PY, but it is actually not very straightforward.

Many thinks in advance.

Apollo
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From bpederse at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 00:36:04 2010
From: bpederse at gmail.com (Brent Pedersen)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:36:04 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Link Python and Fortran
In-Reply-To: <w2zf703565a1003301525te2e56c6ete596d92dc3197399@mail.gmail.com>
References: <w2zf703565a1003301525te2e56c6ete596d92dc3197399@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e183a99d1003301536x2f05feaby298e4b2075bd310@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Yi Qi <yiqi at stanford.edu> wrote:
> Hi:
>
> So nice to join the group. I am a python programmer.
> I wonder could anyone share with me some direction on how to link Python and
> Fortran. I have some oceanographic wave model written in Fortran, and I am
> thinking a way to wrap it into Python program I am coding. I google
> something called F2PY, but it is actually not very straightforward.
>
> Many thinks in advance.
>
> Apollo
>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>

hi, i havent used it, but sounds like you could check out fwrap
http://conference.scipy.org/abstract?id=19
http://hg.cython.org/fwrap-dev/

From matthewturk at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 00:33:57 2010
From: matthewturk at gmail.com (Matthew Turk)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:33:57 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Link Python and Fortran
In-Reply-To: <w2zf703565a1003301525te2e56c6ete596d92dc3197399@mail.gmail.com>
References: <w2zf703565a1003301525te2e56c6ete596d92dc3197399@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a998fef11003301533w4b2e7418o53cc6779e5355d3d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Apollo,

f2py is a good way to go, even though it has a learning curve.
Additionally, the 'fwrap' project that is coming out of Kurt Smith and
the Cython group is promising but not done yet.  Forthon is another
option.  In general, I would recommend f2py unless you need to
statically link your Python installation -- you can annotate the
fortran code and it will automatically generate the necessary support
code.

Good luck!

-Matt

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Yi Qi <yiqi at stanford.edu> wrote:
> Hi:
>
> So nice to join the group. I am a python programmer.
> I wonder could anyone share with me some direction on how to link Python and
> Fortran. I have some oceanographic wave model written in Fortran, and I am
> thinking a way to wrap it into Python program I am coding. I google
> something called F2PY, but it is actually not very straightforward.
>
> Many thinks in advance.
>
> Apollo
>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>

From spmcinerney at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 31 01:14:58 2010
From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen McInerney)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:14:58 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Link Python and Fortran
In-Reply-To: <w2zf703565a1003301525te2e56c6ete596d92dc3197399@mail.gmail.com>
References: <w2zf703565a1003301525te2e56c6ete596d92dc3197399@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY111-W18C2B5E2520A7D58DAF49DA01F0@phx.gbl>


Yi,

You might like to download the Python(x,y) bundled distro of Python+Eclipse+MinGW
(with gfortran compiler) + many other libraries (NumPy etc) + documentation.
That allows wrapping Fortran for Python.
URL: http://www.pythonxy.com/

In any case, F2PY is already part of NumPy since 2007. Beyond that I know nothing about it.

Stephen


Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:25:11 -0700
From: yiqi at stanford.edu
To: baypiggies at python.org
Subject: [Baypiggies] Link Python and Fortran

Hi:

So nice to join the group. I am a python programmer. 
I wonder could anyone share with me some direction on how to link Python and Fortran. I have some oceanographic wave model written in Fortran, and I am thinking a way to wrap it into Python program I am coding. I google something called F2PY, but it is actually not very straightforward. 


Many thinks in advance. 

Apollo
 		 	   		  
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From dalke at dalkescientific.com  Wed Mar 31 02:19:33 2010
From: dalke at dalkescientific.com (Andrew Dalke)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 02:19:33 +0200
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python course for cheminformatics
Message-ID: <D2628243-50CB-499E-829E-A8DF656A4954@dalkescientific.com>

Hi all,

  I'm going to be in the Bay Area in mid-June and I would like to organize one of my training courses for cheminformatics there. The goal of these is to help research computational chemists more effective at the software side of what they do.

  I'm looking to see if there's enough interest in this, and if so to get some suggestions on where to have it. It would be max 8 people in a class.

  I've taught several of these before, both as public courses and as in-house training. Those were 1-day or 3-day courses structured around scripting. I'm organizing a new type of course for the end of May in Leipzig which is how to develop cheminformatics tools using Django.

  The full details are at http://dalkescientific.com/training/ .

  If you are interested, or know people and mailing lists I should contact, do let me know.

				Andrew
				dalke at dalkescientific.com



From fenn at SDF.LONESTAR.ORG  Wed Mar 31 03:14:03 2010
From: fenn at SDF.LONESTAR.ORG (ben lipkowitz)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 01:14:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python course for cheminformatics
In-Reply-To: <D2628243-50CB-499E-829E-A8DF656A4954@dalkescientific.com>
References: <D2628243-50CB-499E-829E-A8DF656A4954@dalkescientific.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.64.1003310109280.15464@sdf.lonestar.org>

On Wed, 31 Mar 2010, Andrew Dalke wrote:
>  I'm going to be in the Bay Area in mid-June and I would like to 
> organize one of my training courses for cheminformatics there. The goal 
> of these is to help research computational chemists more effective at 
> the software side of what they do.
>
>  I'm looking to see if there's enough interest in this, and if so to get 
> some suggestions on where to have it. It would be max 8 people in a 
> class.

You could teach the class at Hacker Dojo: http://hackerdojo.com

However you will have better luck attracting college students and 
researchers if it's on the Stanford campus somewhere.

From glen at glenjarvis.com  Wed Mar 31 18:31:24 2010
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:31:24 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python Summer of Code
Message-ID: <87694383-18C5-4DC9-B211-C3C8CC003DA4@glenjarvis.com>

Although I don't have time to participate, I wanted to share that  
python is participating in Google's summer of code.

Are you a student or mentor?

http://wiki.python.org/moin/SummerOfCode/2010

Cheers,


Glen

From wescpy at gmail.com  Wed Mar 31 23:31:01 2010
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:31:01 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] ANN: Intro+Intermediate Python course, SF, May 10-12
In-Reply-To: <z2m78b3a9581003311101ga24ddd63ze42bd4608bfaa137@mail.gmail.com>
References: <z2m78b3a9581003311101ga24ddd63ze42bd4608bfaa137@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <h2p78b3a9581003311431oc157482fv93149a20641e0451@mail.gmail.com>

all, below is more information about the Python course this May that i
announced at our meeting last week. send your friends and colleagues!!

cheers,
-wesley

(Comprehensive) Introduction to Python
Mon-Wed, 2010 May 10-12, 9am-5pm

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(COMPREHENSIVE) INTRO+INTERMEDIATE PYTHON

Need to get up-to-speed with Python as quickly as possible? Come join
me, Wesley Chun, author of Prentice-Hall's bestseller "Core Python
Programming," for a comprehensive intro course coming up this May in
beautiful Northern California! Please pass on this note to whomever
you think may be interested. I look forward to meeting you and your
colleagues! feel free to pass around the PDF flyer linked down below.

Although this course may appear to those new to Python, it is also
perfect for those who have tinkered with it and want to "fill in the
gaps" and/or want to get more in-depth formal training. ?It combines
the best of both an introduction to the language as well as a "Python
Internals" training course.

We will immerse you in the world of Python in only a few days, showing
you more than just its syntax (which you don't really need a book to
learn, right?). Knowing more about how Python works under the covers,
including the relationship between data objects and memory management,
will make you a much more effective Python programmer coming out of
the gate. 3 hands-on labs each day will help hammer the concepts home.

Come find out why Google, Yahoo!, Disney, ILM/LucasFilm, VMware,
NASA, Ubuntu, YouTube, and Red Hat all use Python. Users supporting
or jumping to Plone, Zope, TurboGears, Pylons, Django, Google App
Engine, Jython, IronPython, and Mailman will also benefit!

PREVIEW 1: you will find (and can download) a video clip of a
class session recorded live to get an idea of my lecture style and
the interactive classroom environment at:

http://cyberwebconsulting.com

PREVIEW 2: Partnering with O'Reilly and Pearson, Safari Books
Online has asked me to deliver a 1-hour webcast last Spring called
"What is Python?". This was an online seminar based on a session
that I've delivered at numerous conferences in the past. It will give
you an idea of lecture style as well as an overview of the material
covered in the course.

info:http://www.safaribooksonline.com/events/WhatIsPython.html
download (reg req'd):
http://www.safaribooksonline.com/Corporate/DownloadAndResources/webcastInfo.php?page=WhatIsPython
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WHERE: near the San Francisco Airport (SFO/San Bruno), CA, USA

WEB: ? http://cyberwebconsulting.com

FLYER: http://starship.python.net/crew/wesc/flyerPP1may10.pdf

LOCALS: easy freeway (101/280/380) with lots of parking plus public
transit (BART and CalTrain) access via the San Bruno stations, easily
accessible from all parts of the Bay Area

VISITORS: free shuttle to/from the airport, free high-speed internet,
free breakfast and regular evening receptions; fully-equipped suites

See website for costs, venue info, and registration. There is a significant
discounts available for full-time students, secondary teachers, and others.

Hope to see you there!


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"Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001
"Python Fundamentals", Prentice Hall, (c)2009
    http://corepython.com

wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com
python training and technical consulting
cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca
http://cyberwebconsulting.com