[Baypiggies] What am I missing using a text editor with some good Python features instead of an IDE?

Sergey Konozenko skonozenko at gmail.com
Tue Mar 6 19:52:39 CET 2012

I've used WingIDE for a long time. There is a free version but the paid one
is way better. Besides an editor, it has excellent debugging functionality.


On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman at gmail.com>wrote:
>> Hi again. I use BBEdit on the Mac and love it for editing all sorts of
>> text files. It does a very nice job with Python programs: it handles
>> indentation well; it shows me balanced opens when typing closing ), ],
>> and }; it has a drop-down for all the subroutine names, and a few
>> other things.
>> However, I haven't used any of the free/paid Python IDEs, and I
>> realized that I might be missing some Really Cool Features that would
>> cause me to use an IDE for my Python work and my text editor for the
>> rest of the text work (like the HTML files documenting the Python...).
>> What useful features am I missing?
>> Yes, this could cause a "my IDE is best" war, but I think some of us
>> on the sidelines would benefit. :-)
> The exact same conversation just happened on the SF Ruby Meetup mailing
> list.  Here's a link (http://www.sfruby.info/messages/30916602/).
>  Unfortunately, Meetup doesn't have a threaded view of the mailing list.
> Here's a summary of my opinion on the subject:
>  * Lots of people still like Vim.
>  * Lots of people are using the new Janus set of plugins for Vim.  I tried
> it, and it didn't bring me joy at all.
>  * Emacs seems to be more popular for Python than for Ruby.
>  * Sublime Text 2 is an up-and-coming popular contender in the text editor
> wars among Ruby users.  I'm a Vim diehard, but I've been using Sublime Text
> 2 for a few weeks now. Beware, it's commercial.
>  * TextMate has traditionally been the editor of choice for Rails
> developers.
>  * As far as I can tell, IntelliJ is the best IDE for Java, PyCharm is the
> best IDE for Python, and RubyMine is the best IDE for Ruby.  They're all
> from the same company.  They all cost money.
>  * There are lots of things that a good IDE can do that a text editor
> can't.
>  * Generally, an IDE speeds up my development workflow in many ways, but
> using Vim's keybindings speeds up my text editing.
>  * PyCharm's Vim keybindings are okay, but not fantastic.  PyCharm's
> editor isn't very sophisticated.
>  * There are lots of ways in which Python and Ruby reduce the
> effectiveness of a good IDE.  I.e. it's less useful for Python and Ruby
> programmers than it is for Java programmers.
>  * PyCharm and RubyMine really are amazing.  I encourage you to watch the
> videos on the website to get a feel for what they can do.
>  * PyCharm and RubyMine aren't without flaws.  They are big software.
>  Sometimes they don't work as promised.  Sometimes they hang.  Sometimes
> they crash.  They almost always eat lots of memory, although that's less
> relevant these days since I have so much memory.
>  * In my own experience, PyCharm and RubyMine can help you write software
> quicker and more correctly, and they can also help you refactor software
> quicker and more correctly.  However, when it comes down to moving and
> tweaking text, you can't beat Vim.
>  * There was a great IDE panel at last year's PyCon.  PyCharm came out on
> top.  Most Python programmers don't care.
>  * Sublime Text 2 is easier to use, easier to learn, and has more *built
> in* power than Vim and Emacs.  Sure, Emacs lets you do anything with Emacs
> Lisp.  Sublime Text 2 lets you do "anything" with Python and/or the
> external programming language of your choice.  It is compatible with
> TextMate bundles.  It has many tricks that other editors fundamentally lack
> (such as multiple cursors, a 10,000 foot view of your code, and the ability
> to guess at what the right indentation settings for a random file are).
>  * NetBeans with the jVi plugin is a good compromise of IDE functionality
> with very good Vim keybindings, if that floats your boat.
>  * I just can't get into Eclipse no matter how hard I try.  PyCharm is
> simply better.
> Ok, I will now don a fireproof vest and hide in an undisclosed location.
>  I really do love talking about editors and IDEs.  It's too bad the subject
> always devolves into flame wars.
> Best Regards,
> -jj
> --
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> great love. -- Mother Teresa
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