[Baypiggies] What am I missing using a text editor with some good Python features instead of an IDE?
Shannon -jj Behrens
jjinux at gmail.com
Tue Mar 6 23:08:03 CET 2012
I liked it when everyone showed off their favorite features of their
editors :)
-jj
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:01 AM, jim <jim at well.com> wrote:
>
>
> It's been a couple of years at least since we've
> had a talk on development tools. Wanna summarize with
> Q&A at a BayPIGgies meeting?
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2012-03-06 at 10:39 -0800, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > Hi again. I use BBEdit on the Mac and love it for editing all
> > sorts of
> > text files. It does a very nice job with Python programs: it
> > handles
> > indentation well; it shows me balanced opens when typing
> > closing ), ],
> > and }; it has a drop-down for all the subroutine names, and a
> > few
> > other things.
> >
> > However, I haven't used any of the free/paid Python IDEs, and
> > I
> > realized that I might be missing some Really Cool Features
> > that would
> > cause me to use an IDE for my Python work and my text editor
> > for the
> > rest of the text work (like the HTML files documenting the
> > Python...).
> > What useful features am I missing?
> >
> > Yes, this could cause a "my IDE is best" war, but I think some
> > of us
> > on the sidelines would benefit. :-)
> >
> >
> > The exact same conversation just happened on the SF Ruby Meetup
> > mailing list. Here's a link
> > (http://www.sfruby.info/messages/30916602/). Unfortunately, Meetup
> > doesn't have a threaded view of the mailing list.
> >
> >
> > Here's a summary of my opinion on the subject:
> >
> >
> > * Lots of people still like Vim.
> >
> >
> > * Lots of people are using the new Janus set of plugins for Vim. I
> > tried it, and it didn't bring me joy at all.
> >
> >
> > * Emacs seems to be more popular for Python than for Ruby.
> >
> >
> > * Sublime Text 2 is an up-and-coming popular contender in the text
> > editor wars among Ruby users. I'm a Vim diehard, but I've been using
> > Sublime Text 2 for a few weeks now. Beware, it's commercial.
> >
> >
> > * TextMate has traditionally been the editor of choice for Rails
> > developers.
> >
> >
> > * As far as I can tell, IntelliJ is the best IDE for Java, PyCharm is
> > the best IDE for Python, and RubyMine is the best IDE for Ruby.
> > They're all from the same company. They all cost money.
> >
> >
> > * There are lots of things that a good IDE can do that a text editor
> > can't.
> >
> >
> > * Generally, an IDE speeds up my development workflow in many ways,
> > but using Vim's keybindings speeds up my text editing.
> >
> >
> > * PyCharm's Vim keybindings are okay, but not fantastic. PyCharm's
> > editor isn't very sophisticated.
> >
> >
> > * There are lots of ways in which Python and Ruby reduce the
> > effectiveness of a good IDE. I.e. it's less useful for Python and
> > Ruby programmers than it is for Java programmers.
> >
> >
> > * PyCharm and RubyMine really are amazing. I encourage you to watch
> > the videos on the website to get a feel for what they can do.
> >
> >
> > * PyCharm and RubyMine aren't without flaws. They are big software.
> > Sometimes they don't work as promised. Sometimes they hang.
> > Sometimes they crash. They almost always eat lots of memory,
> > although that's less relevant these days since I have so much memory.
> >
> >
> > * In my own experience, PyCharm and RubyMine can help you write
> > software quicker and more correctly, and they can also help you
> > refactor software quicker and more correctly. However, when it comes
> > down to moving and tweaking text, you can't beat Vim.
> >
> >
> > * There was a great IDE panel at last year's PyCon. PyCharm came out
> > on top. Most Python programmers don't care.
> >
> >
> > * Sublime Text 2 is easier to use, easier to learn, and has more
> > *built in* power than Vim and Emacs. Sure, Emacs lets you do anything
> > with Emacs Lisp. Sublime Text 2 lets you do "anything" with Python
> > and/or the external programming language of your choice. It is
> > compatible with TextMate bundles. It has many tricks that other
> > editors fundamentally lack (such as multiple cursors, a 10,000 foot
> > view of your code, and the ability to guess at what the right
> > indentation settings for a random file are).
> >
> >
> > * NetBeans with the jVi plugin is a good compromise of IDE
> > functionality with very good Vim keybindings, if that floats your
> > boat.
> >
> >
> > * I just can't get into Eclipse no matter how hard I try. PyCharm is
> > simply better.
> >
> >
> > Ok, I will now don a fireproof vest and hide in an undisclosed
> > location. I really do love talking about editors and IDEs. It's too
> > bad the subject always devolves into flame wars.
> >
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > -jj
> >
> >
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> > with great love. -- Mother Teresa
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