[Baypiggies] What am I missing using a text editor with some good Python features instead of an IDE?

Nathan Pease n8pease at gmail.com
Wed Mar 7 01:49:40 CET 2012

no one's mentioned Komodo. I rely on it for remote debugging. (of course I'm in the realm of IDE features rather than text editor features but the conversation has swung that way somewhat). Other folks in the office use Eclipse for remote debugging too but I've never bothered to get familiar with it.
I wouldn't be able to work without at least a local debugger (or at least I wouldn't like it). And we embed python interpreters in apps we develop (I <3 SWIG) so the ability to remote debug is pretty crucial too.


On Mar 6, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Dirk Bergstrom <dirk at otisbean.com> wrote:
> On 03/06/2012 10:39 AM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
>  * As far as I can tell, IntelliJ is the best IDE for Java, PyCharm is
> the best IDE for Python, and RubyMine is the best IDE for Ruby.  They're
> all from the same company.
> Does JetBrains have some uber-IDE that combines all three?  One of the reasons I've stuck with Eclipse is that I have projects in multiple languages (I once built an app with significant amounts of Java, Python and Javascript, plus some Perl and shell).  At work I maintain one app that's 60/40 JavaScript/Python and another that's 90/10 Ruby/Javascript.  Eclipse handles transitions between languages seamlessly.  I'd hate to have to keep multiple IDEs open...
> PyCharm and RubyMine each work with all the standard web technologies extremely well.  That's the biggest reason I don't use WingIDE--I suspect PyCharm and RubyMine do a better job with HTML, CSS, and JavaScript.
> There is a $500 monster called IntelliJ Ultimate that gives you everything in one IDE.  I tried it out, and although it's supposed to be a strict superset of PyCharm, it didn't work out so well for me.  For instance, it didn't recognize when a subdirectory contained a Google App Engine project.  Apparently, if you know what you're doing, you can configure it correctly.  However, sticking with PyCharm for Python and RubyMine for Ruby is simpler.  I've only had one project that combined the two, and thankfully, I don't have to work on that project any more.  I'm not the only one who's had this problem.
> Dirk, if you're familiar with Eclipse, I doubt that switching to PyCharm would take you very long.  I'd be surprised if it took you more than a few hours to start seeing some productivity improvements.
> As for Vi keybindings for Eclipse, I've heard there is a commercial project that adds them.  The Vim keybindings for IntelliJ are okay, but not spectacular.
> Happy Hacking!
> -jj
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