[Baypiggies] Python 3 and the GUI - opinions wanted

adam adam at booksprints.net
Thu Apr 24 04:37:13 CEST 2014

yes, very funny article ;)


On 04/24/2014 01:08 PM, Bill Janssen wrote:
> Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 22, 2014, Dirk Bergstrom wrote:
>>> On 04/22/2014 10:12 AM, Martin Falatic wrote:
>>>> When it comes to creating a modern GUI-based, cross-platform application
>>>> in Linux/Mac and Windows using Python (and taking Python 3 into
>>>> consideration, with Python 2.7 as a backport path) what's is the best
>>>> direction to go in? Tkinter, PySide (Qt), others?
>>> Consider using the browser as your UI toolkit.  Build a "web app" that
>>> listens on localhost, and you get access to a huge variety of UI tools and
>>> libraries, an enormous developer community and great debugging tools.  It
>>> also greatly reduces the number of dependencies you need to install, since
>>> every user already has a browser, whereas basically nobody has your
>>> particular version of Qt/Tk/GTK pre-installed.
>> OTOH, you are then not developing in Python anymore.  ;-)
> Dang straight.  I'm sitting here gluing a ECMAscript/CSS/XHTML/SVG
> front-end to a CommonLisp back-end, and it's not pleasant.
> See https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1403_02-08_mickens.pdf for some
> useful comparisons:
> ``...a Web page is now like V'Ger from the first "Star Trek" movie, a
> piece of technology that we once understood but can no longer fathom, a
> thrashing leviathan of code and markup written by people so
> untrustworthy that they're not even third parties, they're fifth parties
> who weren't even INVITED to the party, but who showed up anyways because
> the hippies got it right and free love or whatever.''
> ``But, on the bright side, things could always be worse. For example, it
> would definitely be horrible if your browser's scripting language
> combined the prototype-based inheritance of Self, a quasi-functional
> aspect borrowed from LISP, a structured syntax adapted from C, and an
> aggressively asynchronous I/O model that requires elaborate callback
> chains that span multiple generations of hard-working Americans. OH NO
> I'VE JUST DESCRIBED JAVASCRIPT. What an unpleasant turn of events!
> People were begging for a combination of Self, LISP, and C in the same
> way that the denizens of Middle Earth were begging Saruman to breed Orcs
> and men to make Uruk-hai.''
> Bill
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