From lynn at lynnroot.com Mon Dec 1 18:47:38 2014 From: lynn at lynnroot.com (Lynn Root) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 09:47:38 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Help PyLadies @ PyCon! Message-ID: <7C77D03F-F5BF-4799-BF74-FC34C60CF59E@lynnroot.com> Hey folks! **TL;DR**: Donate to PyLadies for PyCon! With PyCon 2015 planning in high gear, PyLadies is revving up to raise funds to help women attend the biggest Python conference of the year. Just like we did last year, we're hoping to raise at least **$40,000** to help women attend this coming PyCon. Take a look at the latest blog post [1], and please pass it along to your Python-enthusiast friends, coworkers, and employers. Please let me know if you have any questions! [1] http://www.pyladies.com/blog/Donate-to-PyLadies-at-PyCon/ Lynn Root PyLadies San Francisco Board Member, Python Software Foundation -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From aahz at pythoncraft.com Fri Dec 5 06:24:57 2014 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 21:24:57 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Fan fiction: the Avenging Python Message-ID: <20141205052457.GA17983@panix.com> For people who are watching Marvel movies (Iron Man, Thor, Avengers, and especially Captain America) and like fan fiction (heck, even if you don't like fan fiction, as long as you don't hate it, it's pretty short): http://zarhooie.tumblr.com/post/104307173001/imagine-bucky-slowly-learning-how-to-use-python -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ Member of the Groucho Marx Fan Club From glen at glenjarvis.com Sat Dec 6 17:22:14 2014 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 08:22:14 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Fan fiction: the Avenging Python In-Reply-To: <20141205052457.GA17983@panix.com> References: <20141205052457.GA17983@panix.com> Message-ID: Ah, I understand that feeling perfectly! Although, my brow would be furrowing again two minutes later :) G On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Aahz wrote: > For people who are watching Marvel movies (Iron Man, Thor, Avengers, and > especially Captain America) and like fan fiction (heck, even if you don't > like fan fiction, as long as you don't hate it, it's pretty short): > > > http://zarhooie.tumblr.com/post/104307173001/imagine-bucky-slowly-learning-how-to-use-python > -- > Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> > http://www.pythoncraft.com/ > > Member of the Groucho Marx Fan Club > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- "You grab mindshare by being there." -- Alex Martelli Bay Area Python Interest Group Talk 24-Oct, 2013 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But, since competitive programming apparently already exists, I was not the first to have this idea. Has there ever been a local competitive event (in any language?) Has there ever been a Python event? I'm super interested in an environment where people can use the experience to grow and develop. Conversely, I'm not interested in the chest beating ego maniacs... They aren't that hard to find in the wild :) If I can go to a few Competitive Program events to see what they are like, I would happily host one for Junior Programmers just learning Python. Any experiences or resources out there for the Bay Area? Glen From jjinux at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 04:47:21 2014 From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 03:47:21 +0000 Subject: [Baypiggies] Bay Area python competitive programming References: <719ECD72-39C1-41B7-9B37-872923A290C7@glenjarvis.com> Message-ID: There are all sorts of programming competitions. Some require you to solve multiple problems in a short amount of time. Some require you to build software that competes against other pieces of software; these competitions might last one or multiple days. There's the week long competition in which you program a video game in Python called PyWeek. There's the yearly ICFP programming competition which is (in my opinion) perhaps the most illustrious competition. I've participated in several programming competitions. Wesley Chun hosted a programming competition at PyCon a few years back. As usual, I got my butt handed to me in a box ;) In this case, a young Russian kid won the competition. Apparently, they train for this sort of thing in Russia. They have programming competition coaches in the same way you might have a tennis coach here. On Tue Dec 16 2014 at 9:11:33 AM Glen Jarvis wrote: > Apparently, there is something called "competitive programming." I always > watched MasterChef cooking style shows and imagined a similar experience in > programming. > > But, since competitive programming apparently already exists, I was not > the first to have this idea. > > Has there ever been a local competitive event (in any language?) Has there > ever been a Python event? > > I'm super interested in an environment where people can use the experience > to grow and develop. Conversely, I'm not interested in the chest beating > ego maniacs... They aren't that hard to find in the wild :) > > If I can go to a few Competitive Program events to see what they are like, > I would happily host one for Junior Programmers just learning Python. > > Any experiences or resources out there for the Bay Area? > > Glen > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glen at glenjarvis.com Wed Dec 17 06:12:46 2014 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 21:12:46 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Bay Area python competitive programming In-Reply-To: References: <719ECD72-39C1-41B7-9B37-872923A290C7@glenjarvis.com> Message-ID: <3120CDC5-3985-49A8-8BF0-A3898F44CEF9@glenjarvis.com> JJ, That's awesome. Thanks for all the leads. Very cool :) Glen > On Dec 16, 2014, at 7:47 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > > There are all sorts of programming competitions. Some require you to solve multiple problems in a short amount of time. Some require you to build software that competes against other pieces of software; these competitions might last one or multiple days. There's the week long competition in which you program a video game in Python called PyWeek. There's the yearly ICFP programming competition which is (in my opinion) perhaps the most illustrious competition. > > I've participated in several programming competitions. Wesley Chun hosted a programming competition at PyCon a few years back. As usual, I got my butt handed to me in a box ;) In this case, a young Russian kid won the competition. > > Apparently, they train for this sort of thing in Russia. They have programming competition coaches in the same way you might have a tennis coach here. > >> On Tue Dec 16 2014 at 9:11:33 AM Glen Jarvis wrote: >> Apparently, there is something called "competitive programming." I always watched MasterChef cooking style shows and imagined a similar experience in programming. >> >> But, since competitive programming apparently already exists, I was not the first to have this idea. >> >> Has there ever been a local competitive event (in any language?) Has there ever been a Python event? >> >> I'm super interested in an environment where people can use the experience to grow and develop. Conversely, I'm not interested in the chest beating ego maniacs... They aren't that hard to find in the wild :) >> >> If I can go to a few Competitive Program events to see what they are like, I would happily host one for Junior Programmers just learning Python. >> >> Any experiences or resources out there for the Bay Area? >> >> Glen >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wescpy at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 06:58:23 2014 From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun) Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 21:58:23 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Bay Area python competitive programming In-Reply-To: <3120CDC5-3985-49A8-8BF0-A3898F44CEF9@glenjarvis.com> References: <719ECD72-39C1-41B7-9B37-872923A290C7@glenjarvis.com> <3120CDC5-3985-49A8-8BF0-A3898F44CEF9@glenjarvis.com> Message-ID: The programming contests that JJ mentioned took place at PyCon and PyCon Asia-Pacific, and I believe EuroPython, were sponsored by SingPath . (I didn't run them, I participated and also got something handed back to me. Perhaps I "knew too much," and their parser didn't understand the code I wrote.) Anyway, the sponsor gave out prizes like an iPad for the first developer to complete the 40 or so Python "challenges." Rather than being a puzzler like the Python Challenge , it was more of solving individual problems using normal Python code. While those were one-time events, you can go to http://singpath.com any time to practice and improve your Python (or Java or any of the other languages/dev environments they support). I just logged in, and it seems now that you can create your own programming challenges in SingPath or sign-up for concurrent global competitions/tournaments. Cheers, --Wesley On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 9:12 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote: > > JJ, > > That's awesome. Thanks for all the leads. > > Very cool :) > > Glen > > On Dec 16, 2014, at 7:47 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > > There are all sorts of programming competitions. Some require you to solve > multiple problems in a short amount of time. Some require you to build > software that competes against other pieces of software; these competitions > might last one or multiple days. There's the week long competition in which > you program a video game in Python called PyWeek. There's the yearly ICFP > programming competition which is (in my opinion) perhaps the most > illustrious competition. > > I've participated in several programming competitions. Wesley Chun hosted > a programming competition at PyCon a few years back. As usual, I got my > butt handed to me in a box ;) In this case, a young Russian kid won the > competition. > > Apparently, they train for this sort of thing in Russia. They have > programming competition coaches in the same way you might have a tennis > coach here. > > On Tue Dec 16 2014 at 9:11:33 AM Glen Jarvis wrote: > >> Apparently, there is something called "competitive programming." I always >> watched MasterChef cooking style shows and imagined a similar experience in >> programming. >> >> But, since competitive programming apparently already exists, I was not >> the first to have this idea. >> >> Has there ever been a local competitive event (in any language?) Has >> there ever been a Python event? >> >> I'm super interested in an environment where people can use the >> experience to grow and develop. Conversely, I'm not interested in the chest >> beating ego maniacs... They aren't that hard to find in the wild :) >> >> If I can go to a few Competitive Program events to see what they are >> like, I would happily host one for Junior Programmers just learning Python. >> >> Any experiences or resources out there for the Bay Area? >> >> Glen >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "A computer never does what you want... only what you tell it." +wesley chun : wescpy at gmail : @wescpy Python training & consulting : http://CyberwebConsulting.com "Core Python" books : http://CorePython.com Python blog: http://wescpy.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sp3ctralsrealm at hotmail.com Wed Dec 17 07:20:58 2014 From: sp3ctralsrealm at hotmail.com (Tanner Steele) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 00:20:58 -0600 Subject: [Baypiggies] Mentorship? Message-ID: Would anybody be interested in mentoring a tenacious individual who is relatively new to the language? I've been working on learning Python, and the fundamentals of Django for the past few weeks, and am currently reaching out for mentorship. Any help/resources would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, TJ From venkat83 at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 12:29:22 2014 From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 16:59:22 +0530 Subject: [Baypiggies] Bay Area python competitive programming In-Reply-To: References: <719ECD72-39C1-41B7-9B37-872923A290C7@glenjarvis.com> <3120CDC5-3985-49A8-8BF0-A3898F44CEF9@glenjarvis.com> Message-ID: http://www.topcoder.com/ is one of the top such sites with some of the best programmers. For freshers, having a TC rank is extremely useful. -Venkat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bdbaddog at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 14:08:32 2014 From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 08:08:32 -0500 Subject: [Baypiggies] Mentorship? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tanner, If you're located in SF there's https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/PyClass -Bill On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:20 AM, Tanner Steele wrote: > > Would anybody be interested in mentoring a tenacious individual who is > relatively new to the language? I've been working on learning Python, and > the fundamentals of Django for the past few weeks, and am currently > reaching out for mentorship. Any help/resources would be greatly > appreciated! > > Thanks, > TJ > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glen at glenjarvis.com Wed Dec 17 18:19:09 2014 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:19:09 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Bay Area python competitive programming In-Reply-To: References: <719ECD72-39C1-41B7-9B37-872923A290C7@glenjarvis.com> <3120CDC5-3985-49A8-8BF0-A3898F44CEF9@glenjarvis.com> Message-ID: Of all of the materials that I've seen, the TopCoder videos were the most informative. I watched the TopCoder videos to get a sense what this would be like. However, that particular style event is much more for the elite in the field. There were so many phrases like "Best and Brightest" and "Olympians of the coding world" which exclude the people I'm considering this for. I'm looking for something completely different -- the opposite of elitism. TopCoders had some of this too, where one person said "You may not know the answer yourself, but you can learn from someone else who has done that same problem." Friendly competition can be motivating. Seeing others ideas compared to your own can be enlightening. After seeing these responses and processing them, I have these thoughts: * Obviously, it can't be presented as well as the cooking shows - that takes a production team * This doesn't have to be in person to see what the interest this community has * We could create a site for people to suggest their problems * Contestants could review the pool of problems to prepare [And, this is the motivating factor to help people focus on particular topics for increasing their skills]. * The community could vote and comment on what problems they like more * On the day the contest begins, the participants that signed up would see the final chosen problem and the clock starts * After the period of time has elapsed (maybe two days over a weekend), the submissions are due. This is less about a "first to finish" than it is about demonstrating skills learned * All submissions are public but under a blind name (No one knows who submitted what) and are voted/judged by the community * Three final judges (if needed) weigh in with the community feedback to pick a final winner * The winner is announced and the identity of the winner revealed The focus will always be on a particular skill in Python. For example, "Best use of Generators" for beginners. Or, "Creative ways to use the dis library" for more advanced, etc. The community would know this when they submitted their challenges for vote/selection. There could be winners in both challenges submitted and contests competing. These are just ideas that are coming to me. But, as I have said forever and ever... "Ideas are easy. Implementation is hard." If there are a few "+1" votes for this, I may consider spending the time to put it together. If not, I'll know there really isn't that much interest in the community for such an online event. Cheers, Glen -- glen at glenjarvis.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From akleider at sonic.net Wed Dec 17 19:05:11 2014 From: akleider at sonic.net (Alex Kleider) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:05:11 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Bay Area python competitive programming In-Reply-To: References: <719ECD72-39C1-41B7-9B37-872923A290C7@glenjarvis.com> <3120CDC5-3985-49A8-8BF0-A3898F44CEF9@glenjarvis.com> Message-ID: On 2014-12-17 09:19, Glen Jarvis wrote: > If there are a few "+1" votes for this, I may consider spending the > time to > put it together. If not, I'll know there really isn't that much > interest in > the community for such an online event. +++++ From simeonf at gmail.com Wed Dec 17 20:37:57 2014 From: simeonf at gmail.com (Simeon Franklin) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 11:37:57 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Mentorship? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Also in SF - http://sfpythonmeetup.com (fair disclosure - I'm a co-organizer) has a monthly "Project Night" that has formal classes in Pythonic topics as well as available mentors happy to answer questions. The next project night will be in the third week of January - we took December off because of the holidays. On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 5:08 AM, William Deegan wrote: > Tanner, > > If you're located in SF there's https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/PyClass > -Bill > > On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:20 AM, Tanner Steele > wrote: >> >> Would anybody be interested in mentoring a tenacious individual who is >> relatively new to the language? I've been working on learning Python, and >> the fundamentals of Django for the past few weeks, and am currently >> reaching out for mentorship. Any help/resources would be greatly >> appreciated! >> >> Thanks, >> TJ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glen at glenjarvis.com Thu Dec 18 04:39:13 2014 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 19:39:13 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Mentorship? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I highly recommend the two suggestions that you already received (PyClass: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/PyClass and SF Python Meetup: http://sfpythonmeetup.com). Also, if you wish to pair program with someone, I often find individuals who want to learn more and pair program with them on many of my projects. It makes my projects stronger (because two pairs of eyes with two sets of brains does make much stronger code). I heavily use TDD and BDD. Saying that and setting your expectation keeps me honest when I want to cut corners :) Here is an introductory video that Craig helped me create so that I could demonstrate Pair Programming to beginners. I have not yet made a similar BDD video (using a tool called Behave) but have been over due in doing so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNgmSiesOG0 If something like that is interesting to you, I'm always open. I can't afford to pay you for it... so it is free labor (but the projects are open source). And, frankly, because of a big personal deadline, I've had to pause this for most of the autumn (sorry, Alex, if you're listening -- I hadn't forgotten about you). I'm sure there are other great resources out there, too. I know that JJ really loves mentoring when he has time. Finally, if you can afford it, I *highly* recommend going to PyCon. They have tutorials. But, even if you only go on the weekends, there are so many talks and so many people to see, you can't help but learn more (I already have my tickets :) https://us.pycon.org/2015/ It's a great community. We love encouraging anyone who wants to be a better programmer... Kindest Regards, Glen Jarvis On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Tanner Steele wrote: > > Would anybody be interested in mentoring a tenacious individual who is > relatively new to the language? I've been working on learning Python, and > the fundamentals of Django for the past few weeks, and am currently > reaching out for mentorship. Any help/resources would be greatly > appreciated! > > Thanks, > TJ > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- -- Glen Jarvis glen at glenjarvis.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bryceverdier at gmail.com Thu Dec 18 19:38:58 2014 From: bryceverdier at gmail.com (Bryce Verdier) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:38:58 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Bay Area python competitive programming In-Reply-To: References: <719ECD72-39C1-41B7-9B37-872923A290C7@glenjarvis.com> <3120CDC5-3985-49A8-8BF0-A3898F44CEF9@glenjarvis.com> Message-ID: <54931F42.6010106@gmail.com> On 12/17/2014 10:05 AM, Alex Kleider wrote: > On 2014-12-17 09:19, Glen Jarvis wrote: > >> If there are a few "+1" votes for this, I may consider spending the >> time to >> put it together. If not, I'll know there really isn't that much >> interest in >> the community for such an online event. > > +++++ +1 and willing to help in some capacity as well. > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies From jjinux at gmail.com Fri Dec 19 07:57:30 2014 From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 06:57:30 +0000 Subject: [Baypiggies] Mentorship? References: Message-ID: Thanks for the plug, Glen. I reached out to Tanner off list. I also highly recommend PyCon, especially since he lives in Canada, and it's going to be in Montreal again next year :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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