From glen at glenjarvis.com  Sat Oct  3 19:03:11 2015
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 12:03:11 -0500
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python in the Movies | Decoding an ISBN?
Message-ID: <CA+UBrj6fifkOMZ8t9m=Bo3w0EbvN2UU7zVSf=Fa_Be45CPLXeQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have been watching "Ex Machina" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0470752/).
[It's worth watching, by the way).

When I see a television program and/or movie that has "code," I always
pause and look. It's amazing how often a thin veneer of "code" is put up on
the screen as the actor hammer at the keyboard and the "code" just flows
down the page.

I admit, usually I do this exercise only for my family to groan because I
usually piss and moan how badly it is done. For example, Criminal Minds
once had an IP address similar to: 76.21.58.572. They even had the actors
read it in the dialogue.. Arghhh

"Ex Machina," at roughly index 1:09:37 has two "windows." One looks like C.
And, the second, the foreground window Python. It's not PEP8 compliant, has
bad spacing and doesn't win the efficiency award, but it's genuine code and
syntactically (but not semantically) correct :)  woot!

Here is the code below. What grabbed my interest is the "puzzle" included:
(An obfuscated way to write "ISBN = "):

sys.stdout.write("".join(chr(i) for i in (73,83,66,78,32,61,32)))

I expect the rest is an ISBN number. I'm curious what book was intended --
even if their "code" is broken.

I believe their "sieve of Eratosthenes" is incorrect. Reference video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V08g_lkKj6Q


Can anyone work out which ISBN number they were trying to reference?  1206
isn't prime. And, if I just assume they completely meant to take code[i] -
key[i] ignoring prime's completely, I get this `12053003823` -- which isn't
an ISBN reference.


Hmm... I'm still mildly curious...


# BlueBook code decryption


import sys


def sieve(n):

# Compute primes using sieve of Eratosthenes

    x = [1]*n

    x[1] = 0

    for i in range(2,n/2):

        j = 2*i

        while j < n:

            x[j] = 0

            j = j+1

    return x


def prime(n,x):

# Find the nth prime


    i = 1

    j = 1

    while j <= n:

        if x[i] == 1:

            j = j+1

        i = i+1

    return i-1



x = sieve(1000)


code = [1206,301,384,5]

key= [1,1,2,2]


sys.stdout.write("".join(chr(i) for i in (73,83,66,78,32,61,32)))


for i in range(0,4):

    sys.stdout.write(str(prime(code[i],x)-key[i]))

print
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Sat Oct  3 19:26:44 2015
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 12:26:44 -0500
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python in the Movies | Decoding an ISBN?
In-Reply-To: <CAP7+vJKUfkShNFxWDH7sbHqNL90umuAC0JDxag_DuEBknJpX_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+UBrj6fifkOMZ8t9m=Bo3w0EbvN2UU7zVSf=Fa_Be45CPLXeQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAP7+vJKUfkShNFxWDH7sbHqNL90umuAC0JDxag_DuEBknJpX_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+UBrj7d8V-gu5j9Gy-2Q6zpAoEMQqFiSs-MAPfznVYPe0r5ZQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Guido van Rossum <gvanrossum at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Did you Google it? Others have solved it...
>
>
Sadly I didn't. I should have. Let me do that now.

G
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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Sat Oct  3 19:28:29 2015
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 12:28:29 -0500
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python in the Movies | Decoding an ISBN?
In-Reply-To: <CA+UBrj7d8V-gu5j9Gy-2Q6zpAoEMQqFiSs-MAPfznVYPe0r5ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+UBrj6fifkOMZ8t9m=Bo3w0EbvN2UU7zVSf=Fa_Be45CPLXeQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAP7+vJKUfkShNFxWDH7sbHqNL90umuAC0JDxag_DuEBknJpX_w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+UBrj7d8V-gu5j9Gy-2Q6zpAoEMQqFiSs-MAPfznVYPe0r5ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+UBrj5U2=6o6=h=yb8dwAetDCCqU7aFXzLvg3pE=7GmTg7j-g@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/365f9b/secret_code_in_ex_machina

Thanks


G

On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Guido van Rossum <gvanrossum at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Did you Google it? Others have solved it...
>>
>>
> Sadly I didn't. I should have. Let me do that now.
>
> G
>



-- 

Machines take me by surprise with great frequency.

--Alan Turing

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From glen at glenjarvis.com  Sat Oct  3 19:45:48 2015
From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 12:45:48 -0500
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python in the Movies | Decoding an ISBN?
In-Reply-To: <CA+UBrj5U2=6o6=h=yb8dwAetDCCqU7aFXzLvg3pE=7GmTg7j-g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+UBrj6fifkOMZ8t9m=Bo3w0EbvN2UU7zVSf=Fa_Be45CPLXeQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAP7+vJKUfkShNFxWDH7sbHqNL90umuAC0JDxag_DuEBknJpX_w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+UBrj7d8V-gu5j9Gy-2Q6zpAoEMQqFiSs-MAPfznVYPe0r5ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+UBrj5U2=6o6=h=yb8dwAetDCCqU7aFXzLvg3pE=7GmTg7j-g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+UBrj5akO_17=8JHBv6PnS8ugvmfv+BCww1TUiV-girra8VLA@mail.gmail.com>

And, for the record, the problem was in sieve. I had mis-read/mis-typed "j
= j + 1" and it was intended to be "j = j + i":

            while j < n:

                    x[j]=0

                    #j = j+1  My mistake

                    j = j+i


Better source of code:

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/365f9b/secret_code_in_ex_machina


Cheers,



Glen



On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:

> https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/365f9b/secret_code_in_ex_machina
>
> Thanks
>
>
> G
>
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Glen Jarvis <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Guido van Rossum <gvanrossum at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Did you Google it? Others have solved it...
>>>
>>>
>> Sadly I didn't. I should have. Let me do that now.
>>
>> G
>>
>
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From itz at buug.org  Sat Oct  3 20:58:07 2015
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 11:58:07 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Reading k=v format files
Message-ID: <20151003185126.26749.01950064@ahiker.mooo.com>

I have a file providing settings for both a shell script and a python
program.  It looks like this:

Foo=bar
Foo2=baz

and so on.  I'm looking for a short snippet (I hope for a one liner) to
grok the file and return a dictionary of the settings.  Trivial, you
say?  Yes, but this is not the first time I feel this need, and each
time I find myself rewritting basically the same ditty:

def grok_auth(authfile):
    result=dict()
    with open(authfile) as af:
        for line in af:
            k, v = line.strip().split('=', 1)
            result[k] = v
    return result

There must be a better, batteries based way.  Right?            

-- 
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From gvanrossum at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 19:14:16 2015
From: gvanrossum at gmail.com (Guido van Rossum)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 10:14:16 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Python in the Movies | Decoding an ISBN?
In-Reply-To: <CA+UBrj6fifkOMZ8t9m=Bo3w0EbvN2UU7zVSf=Fa_Be45CPLXeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+UBrj6fifkOMZ8t9m=Bo3w0EbvN2UU7zVSf=Fa_Be45CPLXeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP7+vJKUfkShNFxWDH7sbHqNL90umuAC0JDxag_DuEBknJpX_w@mail.gmail.com>

Did you Google it? Others have solved it...

--Guido (on mobile)
On Oct 3, 2015 10:04 AM, "Glen Jarvis" <glen at glenjarvis.com> wrote:

> I have been watching "Ex Machina" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0470752/).
> [It's worth watching, by the way).
>
> When I see a television program and/or movie that has "code," I always
> pause and look. It's amazing how often a thin veneer of "code" is put up on
> the screen as the actor hammer at the keyboard and the "code" just flows
> down the page.
>
> I admit, usually I do this exercise only for my family to groan because I
> usually piss and moan how badly it is done. For example, Criminal Minds
> once had an IP address similar to: 76.21.58.572. They even had the actors
> read it in the dialogue.. Arghhh
>
> "Ex Machina," at roughly index 1:09:37 has two "windows." One looks like
> C. And, the second, the foreground window Python. It's not PEP8 compliant,
> has bad spacing and doesn't win the efficiency award, but it's genuine code
> and syntactically (but not semantically) correct :)  woot!
>
> Here is the code below. What grabbed my interest is the "puzzle" included:
> (An obfuscated way to write "ISBN = "):
>
> sys.stdout.write("".join(chr(i) for i in (73,83,66,78,32,61,32)))
>
> I expect the rest is an ISBN number. I'm curious what book was intended --
> even if their "code" is broken.
>
> I believe their "sieve of Eratosthenes" is incorrect. Reference video:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V08g_lkKj6Q
>
>
> Can anyone work out which ISBN number they were trying to reference?  1206
> isn't prime. And, if I just assume they completely meant to take code[i] -
> key[i] ignoring prime's completely, I get this `12053003823` -- which
> isn't an ISBN reference.
>
>
> Hmm... I'm still mildly curious...
>
>
> # BlueBook code decryption
>
>
> import sys
>
>
> def sieve(n):
>
> # Compute primes using sieve of Eratosthenes
>
>     x = [1]*n
>
>     x[1] = 0
>
>     for i in range(2,n/2):
>
>         j = 2*i
>
>         while j < n:
>
>             x[j] = 0
>
>             j = j+1
>
>     return x
>
>
> def prime(n,x):
>
> # Find the nth prime
>
>
>     i = 1
>
>     j = 1
>
>     while j <= n:
>
>         if x[i] == 1:
>
>             j = j+1
>
>         i = i+1
>
>     return i-1
>
>
>
> x = sieve(1000)
>
>
> code = [1206,301,384,5]
>
> key= [1,1,2,2]
>
>
> sys.stdout.write("".join(chr(i) for i in (73,83,66,78,32,61,32)))
>
>
> for i in range(0,4):
>
>     sys.stdout.write(str(prime(code[i],x)-key[i]))
>
> print
>
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From aleax at google.com  Sat Oct  3 21:05:09 2015
From: aleax at google.com (Alex Martelli)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 12:05:09 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Reading k=v format files
In-Reply-To: <20151003185126.26749.01950064@ahiker.mooo.com>
References: <20151003185126.26749.01950064@ahiker.mooo.com>
Message-ID: <CAE46Be8e9CLicHo9WjtvkzabU8g7jmX5F4a5jR5_Y0xb17HiMQ@mail.gmail.com>

with open(authfile) as af:
  return dict(line.strip().split('=',1) for line in af)

is a 2-liner equivalent. I don't know how to make it a one-liner (except by
removing the newline after the ':', but that's not PEP8-y:-).

Alex


On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Ian Zimmerman <itz at buug.org> wrote:

> I have a file providing settings for both a shell script and a python
> program.  It looks like this:
>
> Foo=bar
> Foo2=baz
>
> and so on.  I'm looking for a short snippet (I hope for a one liner) to
> grok the file and return a dictionary of the settings.  Trivial, you
> say?  Yes, but this is not the first time I feel this need, and each
> time I find myself rewritting basically the same ditty:
>
> def grok_auth(authfile):
>     result=dict()
>     with open(authfile) as af:
>         for line in af:
>             k, v = line.strip().split('=', 1)
>             result[k] = v
>     return result
>
> There must be a better, batteries based way.  Right?
>
> --
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From david.berthelot at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 21:09:28 2015
From: david.berthelot at gmail.com (David Berthelot)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 12:09:28 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Reading k=v format files
In-Reply-To: <CAE46Be8e9CLicHo9WjtvkzabU8g7jmX5F4a5jR5_Y0xb17HiMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20151003185126.26749.01950064@ahiker.mooo.com>
 <CAE46Be8e9CLicHo9WjtvkzabU8g7jmX5F4a5jR5_Y0xb17HiMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACakA7Y9qNQJd4HkkXbhYNJK+4W46tpue-qDPuFD==wFBSKi-Q@mail.gmail.com>

The module ConfigParser in the standard library could be of help since it
seems to do exactly this:
https://docs.python.org/2/library/configparser.html

On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Alex Martelli via Baypiggies <
baypiggies at python.org> wrote:

> with open(authfile) as af:
>   return dict(line.strip().split('=',1) for line in af)
>
> is a 2-liner equivalent. I don't know how to make it a one-liner (except
> by removing the newline after the ':', but that's not PEP8-y:-).
>
> Alex
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Ian Zimmerman <itz at buug.org> wrote:
>
>> I have a file providing settings for both a shell script and a python
>> program.  It looks like this:
>>
>> Foo=bar
>> Foo2=baz
>>
>> and so on.  I'm looking for a short snippet (I hope for a one liner) to
>> grok the file and return a dictionary of the settings.  Trivial, you
>> say?  Yes, but this is not the first time I feel this need, and each
>> time I find myself rewritting basically the same ditty:
>>
>> def grok_auth(authfile):
>>     result=dict()
>>     with open(authfile) as af:
>>         for line in af:
>>             k, v = line.strip().split('=', 1)
>>             result[k] = v
>>     return result
>>
>> There must be a better, batteries based way.  Right?
>>
>> --
>> Please *no* private copies of mailing list or newsgroup messages.
>> Rule 420: All persons more than eight miles high to leave the court.
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From contact at jeffquast.com  Sat Oct  3 21:06:09 2015
From: contact at jeffquast.com (Jeff Quast)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 12:06:09 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Reading k=v format files
In-Reply-To: <20151003185126.26749.01950064@ahiker.mooo.com>
References: <20151003185126.26749.01950064@ahiker.mooo.com>
Message-ID: <5B484E4E-5011-45CC-B526-7A35923510C2@jeffquast.com>

> On Oct 3, 2015, at 11:58 AM, Ian Zimmerman <itz at buug.org> wrote:
> 
> I have a file providing settings for both a shell script and a python
> program.  It looks like this:
> 
> Foo=bar
> Foo2=baz
> 
> and so on.  I'm looking for a short snippet (I hope for a one liner) to
> grok the file and return a dictionary of the settings.  Trivial, you
> say?  Yes, but this is not the first time I feel this need, and each
> time I find myself rewritting basically the same ditty:

Just happened to write this a few weeks ago also,

        # the output format is 'Key=Value\n[...]', parse to dictionary
        result = dict([line.split('=', 1) for line in stdout.decode('utf8').splitlines()])

From itz at buug.org  Sat Oct  3 22:04:35 2015
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 13:04:35 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Reading k=v format files
In-Reply-To: <CACakA7Y9qNQJd4HkkXbhYNJK+4W46tpue-qDPuFD==wFBSKi-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20151003185126.26749.01950064@ahiker.mooo.com>
 <CAE46Be8e9CLicHo9WjtvkzabU8g7jmX5F4a5jR5_Y0xb17HiMQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACakA7Y9qNQJd4HkkXbhYNJK+4W46tpue-qDPuFD==wFBSKi-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20151003200244.27246.081830D5@ahiker.mooo.com>

On 2015-10-03 12:09 -0700, David Berthelot wrote:

> The module ConfigParser in the standard library could be of help since it
> seems to do exactly this:
> https://docs.python.org/2/library/configparser.html

Sadly, no.

$ python
Python 2.7.3 (default, Mar 13 2014, 11:03:55) 
[GCC 4.7.2] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import ConfigParser as CP
>>> p=CP.RawConfigParser()
>>> p.read('auth')
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/ConfigParser.py", line 305, in read
    self._read(fp, filename)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/ConfigParser.py", line 512, in _read
    raise MissingSectionHeaderError(fpname, lineno, line)
ConfigParser.MissingSectionHeaderError: File contains no section
headers.
file: auth, line: 1

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From msabramo at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 21:59:11 2015
From: msabramo at gmail.com (Marc Abramowitz)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 12:59:11 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Reading k=v format files
In-Reply-To: <20151003185126.26749.01950064@ahiker.mooo.com>
References: <20151003185126.26749.01950064@ahiker.mooo.com>
Message-ID: <6893663C-49B9-4445-A38D-255733DD0EA7@gmail.com>

You might look at https://pypi.python.org/pypi/jprops

I use it to convert Java properties files from TeamCity into bash scripts. https://pypi.python.org/pypi/jprops2bash

-Marc
http://marc-abramowitz.com


> On Oct 3, 2015, at 11:58 AM, Ian Zimmerman <itz at buug.org> wrote:
> 
> I have a file providing settings for both a shell script and a python
> program.  It looks like this:
> 
> Foo=bar
> Foo2=baz
> 
> and so on.  I'm looking for a short snippet (I hope for a one liner) to
> grok the file and return a dictionary of the settings.  Trivial, you
> say?  Yes, but this is not the first time I feel this need, and each
> time I find myself rewritting basically the same ditty:
> 
> def grok_auth(authfile):
>    result=dict()
>    with open(authfile) as af:
>        for line in af:
>            k, v = line.strip().split('=', 1)
>            result[k] = v
>    return result
> 
> There must be a better, batteries based way.  Right?            
> 
> -- 
> Please *no* private copies of mailing list or newsgroup messages.
> Rule 420: All persons more than eight miles high to leave the court.
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From malcolm at hoprocker.net  Sun Oct  4 00:55:31 2015
From: malcolm at hoprocker.net (malcolm)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 15:55:31 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Reading k=v format files
In-Reply-To: <20151003200244.27246.081830D5@ahiker.mooo.com>
References: <20151003185126.26749.01950064@ahiker.mooo.com>
 <CAE46Be8e9CLicHo9WjtvkzabU8g7jmX5F4a5jR5_Y0xb17HiMQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACakA7Y9qNQJd4HkkXbhYNJK+4W46tpue-qDPuFD==wFBSKi-Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <20151003200244.27246.081830D5@ahiker.mooo.com>
Message-ID: <CANcPyb4ZtejPkoCKrgRyg7hgFNK8Kjo8MftZg4VpEY6E1T_G=w@mail.gmail.com>

Also, don't forget your friend execfile(<path_to_file>,
[<optional_dictionary>]) -- if the bash settings are already in a format
that can be construed as Python values, then you're on your way.

On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Ian Zimmerman <itz at buug.org> wrote:

> On 2015-10-03 12:09 -0700, David Berthelot wrote:
>
> > The module ConfigParser in the standard library could be of help since it
> > seems to do exactly this:
> > https://docs.python.org/2/library/configparser.html
>
> Sadly, no.
>
> $ python
> Python 2.7.3 (default, Mar 13 2014, 11:03:55)
> [GCC 4.7.2] on linux2
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
> >>> import ConfigParser as CP
> >>> p=CP.RawConfigParser()
> >>> p.read('auth')
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/ConfigParser.py", line 305, in read
>     self._read(fp, filename)
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/ConfigParser.py", line 512, in _read
>     raise MissingSectionHeaderError(fpname, lineno, line)
> ConfigParser.MissingSectionHeaderError: File contains no section
> headers.
> file: auth, line: 1
>
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From itz at buug.org  Sun Oct  4 06:47:37 2015
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 21:47:37 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Reading k=v format files
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On 2015-10-03 15:55 -0700, malcolm wrote:

> Also, don't forget your friend execfile(<path_to_file>,
> [<optional_dictionary>]) -- if the bash settings are already in a format
> that can be construed as Python values, then you're on your way.

That's what I will do next time.  Thanks.

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From bryceverdier at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 20:16:26 2015
From: bryceverdier at gmail.com (Bryce Verdier)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 11:16:26 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Reading k=v format files
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References: <20151003185126.26749.01950064@ahiker.mooo.com>
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Message-ID: <20151005111626.28816563@work-lappy>

Hopefully I'm not too late to chime in on this one, but the csv reader
might also work in this case.

You should be able to do something like below (not verified and
modified from the docs here
https://docs.python.org/3/library/csv.html):

>>> import csv
>>> with open('eggs.csv', newline='') as csvfile:
...     spamreader = csv.reader(csvfile, delimiter='=')
...     for row in spamreader:
...         print(', '.join(row))


Hope that helps,
Bryce


On Sat, 3 Oct 2015 12:59:11 -0700
Marc Abramowitz <msabramo at gmail.com> wrote:

> You might look at https://pypi.python.org/pypi/jprops
> 
> I use it to convert Java properties files from TeamCity into bash
> scripts. https://pypi.python.org/pypi/jprops2bash
> 
> -Marc
> http://marc-abramowitz.com
> 
> 
> > On Oct 3, 2015, at 11:58 AM, Ian Zimmerman <itz at buug.org> wrote:
> > 
> > I have a file providing settings for both a shell script and a
> > python program.  It looks like this:
> > 
> > Foo=bar
> > Foo2=baz
> > 
> > and so on.  I'm looking for a short snippet (I hope for a one
> > liner) to grok the file and return a dictionary of the settings.
> > Trivial, you say?  Yes, but this is not the first time I feel this
> > need, and each time I find myself rewritting basically the same
> > ditty:
> > 
> > def grok_auth(authfile):
> >    result=dict()
> >    with open(authfile) as af:
> >        for line in af:
> >            k, v = line.strip().split('=', 1)
> >            result[k] = v
> >    return result
> > 
> > There must be a better, batteries based way.  Right?            
> > 
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Tue Oct  6 18:18:32 2015
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 09:18:32 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Should I install brew under /usr/local or
 /opt/local, on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <BAY169-W11796A7E8175CE344343E51A0420@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY169-W11796A7E8175CE344343E51A0420@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20151006161832.GA21999@panix.com>

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015, Stephen wrote:
>
> Seeking quick opinions on a marginally Python-related question:
>
> I decided to move from macports to brew.Should I install brew
> under /usr/local (default) or /opt/local (said to be better for
> separation)?- I'm on MacOS 10.8.x- I want to have multiple installs of
> Python 2.x, 3.x and various other libraries and tools (octave, Vowpal
> Wabbit, word2vec, Spark etc.)- I don't want any grief from Mac system
> libraries, version dependencies, etc.- I read StackOverflow et al. and
> there is no clear consensus

OSX 10.11 (aka El Capitan) changes the security model of OSX somewhat.
/usr/ is now completely off-limits *except* for /usr/local/ -- and my
personal preference is to avoid pushing the boundaries, so I would use
/opt/local/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Integrity_Protection

(The whole subject of SIP is more Python-related than your specific
question IMO, at least for anyone who has intentions of distributing
applications.)
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From jrodman at baypiggies.spamportal.net  Thu Oct  8 15:32:39 2015
From: jrodman at baypiggies.spamportal.net (Joshua Rodman)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 06:32:39 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Reading k=v format files
In-Reply-To: <20151003200244.27246.081830D5@ahiker.mooo.com>
References: <20151003185126.26749.01950064@ahiker.mooo.com>
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Message-ID: <20151008133239.GA5750@joshbook.splunk.com>

On Sat, Oct 03, 2015 at 01:04:35PM -0700, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> On 2015-10-03 12:09 -0700, David Berthelot wrote:
> 
> > The module ConfigParser in the standard library could be of help since it
> > seems to do exactly this:
> > https://docs.python.org/2/library/configparser.html
> 
> Sadly, no.
> 
> $ python
...
> ConfigParser.MissingSectionHeaderError: File contains no section
> headers.

Not really batteries-included, but it seems not altogether difficult
to wrangle configparser to do this:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2819696/parsing-properties-file-in-python/2819788#2819788

which makes me wonder why it doesn't already handle it.

In my proprietary world, we put stuff outside a section in [default].

(Before anyone asks, last time I sent in a patch fixing a bug in
python it was more painful than I wish to revisit.)
-- 
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From itz at buug.org  Thu Oct  8 17:04:36 2015
From: itz at buug.org (Ian Zimmerman)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 08:04:36 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Reading k=v format files
In-Reply-To: <20151008133239.GA5750@joshbook.splunk.com>
References: <20151003185126.26749.01950064@ahiker.mooo.com>
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Message-ID: <20151008145950.25210.0C3CE896@ahiker.mooo.com>

On 2015-10-08 06:32 -0700, Joshua Rodman wrote:

> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2819696/parsing-properties-file-in-python/2819788#2819788

That would work, but is really more complicated than what I already do.
Perhaps I could stick it in a local library ... but then I would have to
create one :-) 

> In my proprietary world, we put stuff outside a section in [default].

Not possible for me because it has to be shell syntax (see OP).

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From jrodman at splunk.com  Thu Oct  8 17:19:48 2015
From: jrodman at splunk.com (Joshua Rodman)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 08:19:48 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Reading k=v format files
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On Thu, Oct 08, 2015 at 08:04:36AM -0700, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
> On 2015-10-08 06:32 -0700, Joshua Rodman wrote:
> 
> > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2819696/parsing-properties-file-in-python/2819788#2819788
> 
> That would work, but is really more complicated than what I already do.
> Perhaps I could stick it in a local library ... but then I would have to
> create one :-) 

Agreed.

> > In my proprietary world, we put stuff outside a section in [default].
> 
> Not possible for me because it has to be shell syntax (see OP).

I meant our ini parser considers these files identical:

file1:
    [default]
    pie=apple
    swingset=4seats

file2:
    pie=apple
    swingset=4seats

It seems an obvious dialect which would cover the the common case of
"I don't care about these sections." 

It would also make them shell-compatible, modulo whitespace, quoting,
booleans, etc.
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From motoom at xs4all.nl  Fri Oct  9 10:09:39 2015
From: motoom at xs4all.nl (Michiel Overtoom)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 10:09:39 +0200
Subject: [Baypiggies] Reading k=v format files
In-Reply-To: <20151003185126.26749.01950064@ahiker.mooo.com>
References: <20151003185126.26749.01950064@ahiker.mooo.com>
Message-ID: <3E80D7D3-73BB-44A8-9330-DA1DF1154AC1@xs4all.nl>


Hi,

> On 03 Oct 2015, at 20:58, Ian Zimmerman <itz at buug.org> wrote:
> 
> I have a file providing settings [...] It looks like this:
> 
> Foo=bar
> Foo2=baz
> 
> I'm looking for a short snippet to grok the file [...]


Instead of writing your own parser, you could feed ConfigParser a doctored version of your INI file.

ConfigParser doesn't have to be fed a filename, it can read a file-like object such as a StringIO 'in-memory file'.

So I first create an in-memory version of the INI file with a [configuration] section prepended to it, then feed that to ConfigParser.


    import ConfigParser
    import StringIO
     
    ini = open("cfgparse.ini").read()
    print "Original INI file:"
    print ini

    sect = StringIO.StringIO("[configuration]\n" + ini)
    print "Sectioned INI file:"
    print sect.getvalue()

    c = ConfigParser.ConfigParser()
    c.readfp(sect)
    print "Foo is '%s'" % c.get("configuration", "Foo")
    print "Foo2 is '%s'" % c.get("configuration", "Foo2")


The output is:

    Original INI file:
    Foo=bar
    Foo2=baz

    Sectioned INI file:
    [configuration]
    Foo=bar
    Foo2=baz

    Foo is 'bar'
    Foo2 is 'baz'

Greetings,


From rodrigc at FreeBSD.org  Fri Oct  9 20:28:23 2015
From: rodrigc at FreeBSD.org (Craig Rodrigues)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 11:28:23 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Companies moving to Python 3?
Message-ID: <CAG=rPVc35YfqCLy_EMQwXWxakfYbqmnzn7JZ7zqAXGoXT+7c5g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Are people seeing that any companies in the Bay Area are moving
to Python 3 in a major way?

Recently, I have been porting some code from Python 2 to Python 3.
>From a language purist perspective, I see that Python 3 is technically a
better
language.  Some of the new keywords in Python 3.5 like async/await look
pretty
cool for making it easier to do asyncio programming.

However, from an end-user's perspective, the differences between Python 2
and Python 3 are annoying.   Although certain features, like asyncio are
interesting, for most major use cases, there doesn't seem to be any "killer
feature"
or performance boost to justify the effort of going to Python 3.
While many major packages have been ported to Python 3, there are still
quite a few major packages which are still stuck on Python 2.

Despite these problems, I still like Python 3, and want to focus on writing
new
code which works with it.  I was just curious if people are seeing the
move to Python 3 in production.

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From shaleh at speakeasy.net  Fri Oct  9 20:43:30 2015
From: shaleh at speakeasy.net (shaleh at speakeasy.net)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 11:43:30 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Companies moving to Python 3?
In-Reply-To: <CAG=rPVc35YfqCLy_EMQwXWxakfYbqmnzn7JZ7zqAXGoXT+7c5g@mail.gmail.com>
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> On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 11:28:23 -0700, Craig Rodrigues 
> <rodrigc at FreeBSD.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Are people seeing that any companies in the Bay Area are movingto 
> Python 3 in a major way?

What I am seeing is a standardization on 2.7 and 3.4 using the six 
package. The Py2 stragglers are being cleared up. 



From jrc.csus at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 21:12:33 2015
From: jrc.csus at gmail.com (Justin Carroll)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 15:12:33 -0400
Subject: [Baypiggies] Companies moving to Python 3?
In-Reply-To: <CAG=rPVc35YfqCLy_EMQwXWxakfYbqmnzn7JZ7zqAXGoXT+7c5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG=rPVc35YfqCLy_EMQwXWxakfYbqmnzn7JZ7zqAXGoXT+7c5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPjhJmX=1RypLahPuS-tffurdrsYeq2O5GE_D_8hj98j_pO2Mw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Craig,

If you haven't already watched (or attended), have a look at Guido's 2015
PyCon Keynot RE: making the switch to Python3 (it's the first 20 min or so).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-uKNd5TSBw&feature=youtu.be

I'd summarize his message as "all hands on deck - we've waited long enough
for people to make the switch to python3 - it's time to make the jump".

I work in the medical/embedded space, and everything moves at a snails pace
where I am at.  We are still on Python 2.6.  But there are a few members of
my group, myself included, that are seriously considering making strong
efforts to make the move to Python 3.  Python 2.6/2.7+ has served us well,
and has kept food on my table, and there are many reasons NOT to make the
change to Python3, but none of those reasons are good enough to prevent
evolution of the language (and I don't want to be left behind!).

I know Guido watches this list (yO Guido) and if we're lucky he'll provide
additional insights beyond his keynote.

On a side note, I have side projects that I have started in Python3 (as
have my coworkers) so they can learn/familiarize themselves with the latest
changes.


-j


---
Justin Carroll
Software Engineer (Embedded Systems and Advanced Data Analytics/BigData)
Full Stack Developer (Python | HTML5; Twisted | Dojo)
(650) 776-6613
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Craig Rodrigues <rodrigc at freebsd.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Are people seeing that any companies in the Bay Area are moving
> to Python 3 in a major way?
>
> Recently, I have been porting some code from Python 2 to Python 3.
> From a language purist perspective, I see that Python 3 is technically a
> better
> language.  Some of the new keywords in Python 3.5 like async/await look
> pretty
> cool for making it easier to do asyncio programming.
>
> However, from an end-user's perspective, the differences between Python 2
> and Python 3 are annoying.   Although certain features, like asyncio are
> interesting, for most major use cases, there doesn't seem to be any
> "killer feature"
> or performance boost to justify the effort of going to Python 3.
> While many major packages have been ported to Python 3, there are still
> quite a few major packages which are still stuck on Python 2.
>
> Despite these problems, I still like Python 3, and want to focus on
> writing new
> code which works with it.  I was just curious if people are seeing the
> move to Python 3 in production.
>
> --
> Craig
>
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From rodrigc at FreeBSD.org  Fri Oct  9 22:01:33 2015
From: rodrigc at FreeBSD.org (Craig Rodrigues)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 13:01:33 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Companies moving to Python 3?
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Justin Carroll <jrc.csus at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I work in the medical/embedded space, and everything moves at a snails
> pace where I am at.  We are still on Python 2.6.  But there are a few
> members of my group, myself included, that are seriously considering making
> strong efforts to make the move to Python 3.
>


Justin,

Thanks for the response and feedback.  It is useful to
get the perspectives from real users such as yourself.
Your e-mail jives with my experience, in that Python 3 is technically
a better language, but for existing projects, it is sometimes hard
to justify the effort to upgrade.

In one of my projects, I made heavy use of Fabric ( http://fabfile.org )
for remote execution via SSH.  Fabric is stuck on Python 2.5-2.7
and the author of Fabric is not accepting patches to add Python 3 support,
because he is working on a rewrite.

I took an initial whack at porting Fabric to python 3, by using
2to3 and reading various blogs.  As I  fixed problems one by one,
I read up on the various PEP's to see what things changed in Python.
It was a very interesting learning exercise:

https://github.com/rodrigc/fabric/commits/python3

In the middle of my learning exercise, I found that Mathias Ertl actually
has a more functional working port of Fabric to Python 3:

https://github.com/fabric/fabric/issues/1378

so I abandoned my effort and am now using his port.

So based on my learning exercise, I just wanted to get a feel
for the rate of adoption of Python 3 in companies in the Bay Area. :)
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From tungwaiyip at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  9 22:39:52 2015
From: tungwaiyip at yahoo.com (Wai Yip Tung (Yahoo))
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 13:39:52 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Companies moving to Python 3?
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I'm going to say the unpopular thing. Python 3 to Python is Perl 6 to 
Perl. Upgrading to Python 3 is not inevitable. The probability for a 
company to move its development from Python 2 to Python 3 is a lot lower 
than moving to a different language altogether. When you are building 
your next product, there are lots of worthy alternative to choose from, 
Scala, Node, Ruby, Go, etc. Not one time have I heard anyone proposed 
Python 3.

The decision to fork Python is an unfortunate one. Most of the new 
features have nothing specific to Python 3 and could have just as well 
port to Python 2. Had there forking decision be not made, we will be 
using all these shinny new features rather than stuck with the same five 
years old version. I am hoping people would wake up from this 
bewildering dream and keep Python 2 relevant.

Wai Yip


> Craig Rodrigues <mailto:rodrigc at FreeBSD.org>
> Friday, October 09, 2015 1:01 PM
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Justin Carroll <jrc.csus at gmail.com 
> <mailto:jrc.csus at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>     I work in the medical/embedded space, and everything moves at a
>     snails pace where I am at.  We are still on Python 2.6.  But there
>     are a few members of my group, myself included, that are seriously
>     considering making strong efforts to make the move to Python 3.
>
>
>
> Justin,
>
> Thanks for the response and feedback.  It is useful to
> get the perspectives from real users such as yourself.
> Your e-mail jives with my experience, in that Python 3 is technically
> a better language, but for existing projects, it is sometimes hard
> to justify the effort to upgrade.
>
> In one of my projects, I made heavy use of Fabric ( http://fabfile.org )
> for remote execution via SSH.  Fabric is stuck on Python 2.5-2.7
> and the author of Fabric is not accepting patches to add Python 3 support,
> because he is working on a rewrite.
>
> I took an initial whack at porting Fabric to python 3, by using
> 2to3 and reading various blogs.  As I  fixed problems one by one,
> I read up on the various PEP's to see what things changed in Python.
> It was a very interesting learning exercise:
>
> https://github.com/rodrigc/fabric/commits/python3
>
> In the middle of my learning exercise, I found that Mathias Ertl actually
> has a more functional working port of Fabric to Python 3:
>
> https://github.com/fabric/fabric/issues/1378
>
> so I abandoned my effort and am now using his port.
>
> So based on my learning exercise, I just wanted to get a feel
> for the rate of adoption of Python 3 in companies in the Bay Area. :)
> --
> Craig
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From shaleh at speakeasy.net  Fri Oct  9 22:52:24 2015
From: shaleh at speakeasy.net (shaleh at speakeasy.net)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 13:52:24 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Companies moving to Python 3?
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Which is why I said I see most people targeting 2.7 and 3.4. Best of 
both worlds. Once you learn the issues there is very little work in 
keeping both working. Tools like tox go a long way too. Python people 
aren't leaving because of it. 
?
Perl 6 was an attempt to bring Perl from the ancients to the modern and 
the community decided they liked the ancient. Python3 is still Python. 

On Fri, 09 Oct 2015 13:39:52 -0700, "Wai Yip Tung (Yahoo) via 
Baypiggies"  wrote:

       I'm going to say the unpopular thing. Python 3 to Python is Perl 
6 to Perl. Upgrading to Python 3 is not inevitable. The probability for 
a company to move its development from Python 2 to Python 3 is a lot 
lower than moving to a different language altogether. When you are 
building your next product, there are lots of worthy alternative to 
choose from, Scala, Node, Ruby, Go, etc. Not one time have I heard 
anyone proposed Python 3. 

The decision to fork Python is an unfortunate one. Most of the new 
features have nothing specific to Python 3 and could have just as well 
port to Python 2. Had there forking decision be not made, we will be 
using all these shinny new features rather than stuck with the same 
five years old version. I am hoping people would wake up from this 
bewildering dream and keep Python 2 relevant. 

Wai Yip

Craig Rodrigues
Friday, October 09, 2015 1:01 PM
On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Justin Carroll  wrote:

I work in the medical/embedded space, and everything moves at a snails 
pace where I am at.? We are still on Python 2.6.? But there are a few 
members of my group, myself included, that are seriously considering 
making strong efforts to make the move to Python 3. 

Justin,

Thanks for the response and feedback.? It is useful toget the 
perspectives from real users such as yourself. 
Your e-mail jives with my experience, in that Python 3 is technically
a better language, but for existing projects, it is sometimes hard
to justify the effort to upgrade. 
?
In one of my projects, I made heavy use of Fabric ( http://fabfile.org )
for remote execution via SSH.? Fabric is stuck on Python 2.5-2.7
and the author of Fabric is not accepting patches to add Python 3 support,
because he is working on a rewrite. 

I took an initial whack at porting Fabric to python 3, by using
2to3 and reading various blogs.? As I? fixed problems one by one,
I read up on the various PEP's to see what things changed in Python. 
It was a very interesting learning exercise:

https://github.com/rodrigc/fabric/commits/python3

In the middle of my learning exercise, I found that Mathias Ertl actually
has a more functional working port of Fabric to Python 3:

https://github.com/fabric/fabric/issues/1378

so I abandoned my effort and am now using his port. 

So based on my learning exercise, I just wanted to get a feel
for the rate of adoption of Python 3 in companies in the Bay Area. :)
--
Craig

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From fahhem at google.com  Fri Oct  9 23:00:46 2015
From: fahhem at google.com (Fahrzin Hemmati)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 14:00:46 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Companies moving to Python 3?
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We've seen something similar with 3.1 -> 3.5, as some breaking changes were
undone, like % formatting. Eventually, it should be possible to just run
2to3 on a reasonably written codebase and get code that works on 3.5+
automatically. We also need a 2to3 for c extensions (maybe based on Clang,
like a clang-format) to deal with the C API changes.

But, until it's that easy and you can up-convert all your dependencies, I
agree that no company with real work to do will switch. I've seen plenty of
startups start with 3, but that required a ton of work around dependency
choosing and eventually they regretted the decision and some even switched
back. A few had little enough to do in python that they stuck with it.
On Oct 9, 2015 1:43 PM, "Wai Yip Tung (Yahoo) via Baypiggies" <
baypiggies at python.org> wrote:

> I'm going to say the unpopular thing. Python 3 to Python is Perl 6 to
> Perl. Upgrading to Python 3 is not inevitable. The probability for a
> company to move its development from Python 2 to Python 3 is a lot lower
> than moving to a different language altogether. When you are building your
> next product, there are lots of worthy alternative to choose from, Scala,
> Node, Ruby, Go, etc. Not one time have I heard anyone proposed Python 3.
>
> The decision to fork Python is an unfortunate one. Most of the new
> features have nothing specific to Python 3 and could have just as well port
> to Python 2. Had there forking decision be not made, we will be using all
> these shinny new features rather than stuck with the same five years old
> version. I am hoping people would wake up from this bewildering dream and
> keep Python 2 relevant.
>
> Wai Yip
>
>
> Craig Rodrigues <rodrigc at FreeBSD.org>
> Friday, October 09, 2015 1:01 PM
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Justin Carroll <jrc.csus at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I work in the medical/embedded space, and everything moves at a snails
>> pace where I am at.  We are still on Python 2.6.  But there are a few
>> members of my group, myself included, that are seriously considering making
>> strong efforts to make the move to Python 3.
>>
>
>
> Justin,
>
> Thanks for the response and feedback.  It is useful to
> get the perspectives from real users such as yourself.
> Your e-mail jives with my experience, in that Python 3 is technically
> a better language, but for existing projects, it is sometimes hard
> to justify the effort to upgrade.
>
> In one of my projects, I made heavy use of Fabric ( http://fabfile.org )
> for remote execution via SSH.  Fabric is stuck on Python 2.5-2.7
> and the author of Fabric is not accepting patches to add Python 3 support,
> because he is working on a rewrite.
>
> I took an initial whack at porting Fabric to python 3, by using
> 2to3 and reading various blogs.  As I  fixed problems one by one,
> I read up on the various PEP's to see what things changed in Python.
> It was a very interesting learning exercise:
>
> https://github.com/rodrigc/fabric/commits/python3
>
> In the middle of my learning exercise, I found that Mathias Ertl actually
> has a more functional working port of Fabric to Python 3:
>
> https://github.com/fabric/fabric/issues/1378
>
> so I abandoned my effort and am now using his port.
>
> So based on my learning exercise, I just wanted to get a feel
> for the rate of adoption of Python 3 in companies in the Bay Area. :)
> --
> Craig
>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing listBaypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>
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From wescpy at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 08:26:36 2015
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 23:26:36 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Companies moving to Python 3?
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Larger organizations take more time to move. The backwards-incompatibility
is unfortunate but necessary. As more and more large, well-known packages,
i.e., Django, migrate to 3.x, so will users. However, as Wai Yip mentioned,
if you're not motivated to move (everything "works as intended"), then you
won't.

Remember SCons <http://scons.org>? That was invented using 1.5 and stayed
that way until recently. They were backporting 2.x patches to their 1.x
system for the longest time.

With regards to the OP, at Google, we're still using 2.x, however there are
efforts internally that are moving forward with 3.x and preparing the
shift. I even wrote recently
<http://wescpy.blogspot.com/2015/08/accessing-gmail-from-python-plus-bonus.html>
that even the Google APIs Client Library is now available for Python 3
users.

Cheers,
-- Wesley
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"A computer never does what you want... only what you tell it."
    +wesley chun <http://google.com/+WesleyChun> : wescpy at gmail : @wescpy
<http://twitter.com/wescpy>
    Python training & consulting : http://CyberwebConsulting.com
    "Core Python" books : http://CorePython.com
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From david.berthelot at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 15:34:59 2015
From: david.berthelot at gmail.com (David Berthelot)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 06:34:59 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Companies moving to Python 3?
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In terms of killer feature, having a JIT in Python 3 and NOT back-porting
it to 2.x could be the must have feature to drive user migration.

In machine learning, tools are divided between LUA and Python, and people
use LUA just because it has a JIT and is fast (and easy to embed from what
they claim). So may be if Python 3 had that, it would allow to reclaim the
lost ground, it's definitely a feature I'd love to have.

I hope I didn't hijack the thread or anything but CPU performance (and the
GIL) is a complaint I hear frequently in my work environment.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 11:26 PM, wesley chun <wescpy at gmail.com> wrote:

> Larger organizations take more time to move. The backwards-incompatibility
> is unfortunate but necessary. As more and more large, well-known packages,
> i.e., Django, migrate to 3.x, so will users. However, as Wai Yip mentioned,
> if you're not motivated to move (everything "works as intended"), then you
> won't.
>
> Remember SCons <http://scons.org>? That was invented using 1.5 and stayed
> that way until recently. They were backporting 2.x patches to their 1.x
> system for the longest time.
>
> With regards to the OP, at Google, we're still using 2.x, however there
> are efforts internally that are moving forward with 3.x and preparing the
> shift. I even wrote recently
> <http://wescpy.blogspot.com/2015/08/accessing-gmail-from-python-plus-bonus.html>
> that even the Google APIs Client Library is now available for Python 3
> users.
>
> Cheers,
> -- Wesley
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> "A computer never does what you want... only what you tell it."
>     +wesley chun <http://google.com/+WesleyChun> : wescpy at gmail :
> @wescpy <http://twitter.com/wescpy>
>     Python training & consulting : http://CyberwebConsulting.com
>     "Core Python" books : http://CorePython.com
>     Python blog: http://wescpy.blogspot.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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From send2md at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 18:48:59 2015
From: send2md at gmail.com (Marilyn Davis)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 09:48:59 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Companies moving to Python 3?
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In my classes, I am not seeing much movement toward 3.  Companies still
seem to be on 2.  There are a few engineers who want 3 for their own
curiosity, I think, from the responses I get when I ask why.

>From my point of view, 2 is a teaching language, a joy to teach.  Python 3,
not as much.  I don't how I'm going to teach classes (blueprints for
objects) when I have to skip classic classes.

I thought the killer app is Unicode.  I wonder if this list wasn't in
English, in an English-speaking (mostly) country, if we'd be seeing more
Python 3 in action?

Unicode is real important outside of our culture, isn't it?

Marilyn Davis


On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 6:34 AM, David Berthelot <david.berthelot at gmail.com>
wrote:

> In terms of killer feature, having a JIT in Python 3 and NOT back-porting
> it to 2.x could be the must have feature to drive user migration.
>
> In machine learning, tools are divided between LUA and Python, and people
> use LUA just because it has a JIT and is fast (and easy to embed from what
> they claim). So may be if Python 3 had that, it would allow to reclaim the
> lost ground, it's definitely a feature I'd love to have.
>
> I hope I didn't hijack the thread or anything but CPU performance (and the
> GIL) is a complaint I hear frequently in my work environment.
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 11:26 PM, wesley chun <wescpy at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Larger organizations take more time to move. The
>> backwards-incompatibility is unfortunate but necessary. As more and more
>> large, well-known packages, i.e., Django, migrate to 3.x, so will users.
>> However, as Wai Yip mentioned, if you're not motivated to move (everything
>> "works as intended"), then you won't.
>>
>> Remember SCons <http://scons.org>? That was invented using 1.5 and
>> stayed that way until recently. They were backporting 2.x patches to their
>> 1.x system for the longest time.
>>
>> With regards to the OP, at Google, we're still using 2.x, however there
>> are efforts internally that are moving forward with 3.x and preparing the
>> shift. I even wrote recently
>> <http://wescpy.blogspot.com/2015/08/accessing-gmail-from-python-plus-bonus.html>
>> that even the Google APIs Client Library is now available for Python 3
>> users.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -- Wesley
>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> "A computer never does what you want... only what you tell it."
>>     +wesley chun <http://google.com/+WesleyChun> : wescpy at gmail :
>> @wescpy <http://twitter.com/wescpy>
>>     Python training & consulting : http://CyberwebConsulting.com
>>     "Core Python" books : http://CorePython.com
>>     Python blog: http://wescpy.blogspot.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Baypiggies at python.org
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From bdbaddog at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 22:45:07 2015
From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 13:45:07 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Fwd:  Companies moving to Python 3?
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Thanks for the shout out!
SCons is alive and kicking, and we just dropped pre-2.7 support.

We expect to port the code to run 2.7 and 3.x in the (hopefully) not too
distant future.
We have a couple feature additions to merge and release first though.

-Bill Deegan
Co-Manager, SCons project

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 11:26 PM, wesley chun <wescpy at gmail.com> wrote:

> Larger organizations take more time to move. The backwards-incompatibility
> is unfortunate but necessary. As more and more large, well-known packages,
> i.e., Django, migrate to 3.x, so will users. However, as Wai Yip mentioned,
> if you're not motivated to move (everything "works as intended"), then you
> won't.
>
> Remember SCons <http://scons.org>? That was invented using 1.5 and stayed
> that way until recently. They were backporting 2.x patches to their 1.x
> system for the longest time.
>
> With regards to the OP, at Google, we're still using 2.x, however there
> are efforts internally that are moving forward with 3.x and preparing the
> shift. I even wrote recently
> <http://wescpy.blogspot.com/2015/08/accessing-gmail-from-python-plus-bonus.html>
> that even the Google APIs Client Library is now available for Python 3
> users.
>
> Cheers,
> -- Wesley
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> "A computer never does what you want... only what you tell it."
>     +wesley chun <http://google.com/+WesleyChun> : wescpy at gmail :
> @wescpy <http://twitter.com/wescpy>
>     Python training & consulting : http://CyberwebConsulting.com
>     "Core Python" books : http://CorePython.com
>     Python blog: http://wescpy.blogspot.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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From Web at StevePiercy.com  Mon Oct 12 01:12:01 2015
From: Web at StevePiercy.com (Steve Piercy - Website Builder)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 16:12:01 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Santa Cruz Python Meetup Tue, Oct 13 - Django app case
	study; Math Tutor with Kivy
Message-ID: <r470Ps-1085i-4154CB56D54B4AD58EFC2D5D0541896E@stevepi-mbp.local>

We are pleased to announce the program for the next Santa Cruz 
Python meetup on Tuesday, October 13, 6:00 PM - 8:00 PM, in the 
Atrium Classroom at Cruzio,?877 Cedar Street, Santa Cruz, CA.
<http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;hl=en&amp;q=877+Cedar+Street%2C+Santa+Cruz%2C+CA%2C+us>

View details and RSVP for the meetup:
<http://www.meetup.com/Santa-Cruz-Python/events/225774780/>

Regular monthly Santa Cruz Python meetups are now held on the 
second Tuesday of the month at Cruzio.

PROGRAM

Announcements: 6:00 - 6:15 PM

Django app case study: 6:15 - 6:30 PM

Tan? Tachyon will present and demonstrate a Django app she 
recently did for a local car dealer. ?She will discuss the 
business practices it was intended to replace, show how it 
works, and then open things up to 
questions.?http://tachyonlabs.com/ <http://tachyonlabs.com/>

Math Tutor for Kivy: 6:30 - 7:15 PM

With just around 500 lines of code, you can build a math tutor 
application that does arithmetic and can easily be deployed to 
Android, iOS, Windows, Mac OS X, and Linux. Thanks to the 
beautiful Kivy library, the process is really straight forward, 
and building the interface with the Kivy language is amazingly 
pain free and easy to start with. Bring your laptop and join us 
as we hack through and build your own Math Tutor app with Kivy!

Daniel Gopar is a Software Engineering student at CSUMB, who 
enjoys hacking on Emacs (the one *true* editor!) and learning 
all things Python. http://www.pygopar.com/ <http://www.pygopar.com/>

Open forum: 7:15 - 8:00 PM

During this time, we may have a spontaneous and informal 
presentation, including topics on web frameworks (Pyramid, 
Flask, Django), tools we use (Fabric, buildout, Ansible), 
editors (Emacs, vim, PyCharm), events and conferences, or 
anything else that may interest the group.

Sponsors

Please refer potential sponsors for food, tasty beverages, or 
room rental fees to the program hosts, Chris or Steve.

Through a generous grant from the Python Software Foundation 
<https://www.python.org/psf-landing/>, our first six months of 
room rental fees are paid, so that we can deliver our program to 
Santa Cruz County. The PSF is a 501(c)(3) non-profit 
organization that?promotes, protects, and advances the Python 
programming language and community.?The PSF is supported by its 
members, donors, volunteers, and sponsors. Please support the 
PSF and its mission by becoming a member <https://www.python.org/psf/membership/>.

Future Programs

Please contact the organizers to suggest topics for future 
programs for the Santa Cruz Python meetup.

? Lightning talks. Five-minute presentations of Python topics.

? Presentations. Longer presentations of broader 
Python-related topics and demonstrations of projects.

? Hacking. Make use of the blazing fast wi-fi network at 
Cruzio to hack on projects, work through tutorials, or do some 
pair programming.

? Socializing. What's happening? Other local meetups, PyCon 
2016 in Portland, OR.

-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
Steve Piercy              Website Builder              Soquel, CA
<web at StevePiercy.com>               <http://www.StevePiercy.com/>


From jjinux at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 05:22:28 2015
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 03:22:28 +0000
Subject: [Baypiggies] Companies moving to Python 3?
In-Reply-To: <CAG=rPVc35YfqCLy_EMQwXWxakfYbqmnzn7JZ7zqAXGoXT+7c5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG=rPVc35YfqCLy_EMQwXWxakfYbqmnzn7JZ7zqAXGoXT+7c5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB0XCvZpepYdYhfnKAHYT837pOR4GngAFf9xnwc1tLdm1q_oKw@mail.gmail.com>

When I got to Udemy, I was quite surprised that they had fully migrated to
3.4 :-D Twitter was still on 2.7.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 11:28 AM Craig Rodrigues <rodrigc at freebsd.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Are people seeing that any companies in the Bay Area are moving
> to Python 3 in a major way?
>
> Recently, I have been porting some code from Python 2 to Python 3.
> From a language purist perspective, I see that Python 3 is technically a
> better
> language.  Some of the new keywords in Python 3.5 like async/await look
> pretty
> cool for making it easier to do asyncio programming.
>
> However, from an end-user's perspective, the differences between Python 2
> and Python 3 are annoying.   Although certain features, like asyncio are
> interesting, for most major use cases, there doesn't seem to be any
> "killer feature"
> or performance boost to justify the effort of going to Python 3.
> While many major packages have been ported to Python 3, there are still
> quite a few major packages which are still stuck on Python 2.
>
> Despite these problems, I still like Python 3, and want to focus on
> writing new
> code which works with it.  I was just curious if people are seeing the
> move to Python 3 in production.
>
> --
> Craig
> _______________________________________________
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From martin at falatic.com  Wed Oct 14 07:02:47 2015
From: martin at falatic.com (Martin Falatic)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 22:02:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Baypiggies] Companies moving to Python 3?
In-Reply-To: <CAB0XCvZpepYdYhfnKAHYT837pOR4GngAFf9xnwc1tLdm1q_oKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG=rPVc35YfqCLy_EMQwXWxakfYbqmnzn7JZ7zqAXGoXT+7c5g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB0XCvZpepYdYhfnKAHYT837pOR4GngAFf9xnwc1tLdm1q_oKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38481.24.7.60.89.1444798967.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com>

That's pretty cool!

I currently work on OpenStack, which has been steadily working on Python 3
compatibility (something I'm proud to see - and for me it's one of many
examples of why Python3 is NOT Perl6!)

https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Python3

 - Marty
   https://www.linkedin.com/in/martinfalatic


On Tue, October 13, 2015 20:22, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
> When I got to Udemy, I was quite surprised that they had fully migrated
> to 3.4 :-D Twitter was still on 2.7.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 11:28 AM Craig Rodrigues <rodrigc at freebsd.org>
> wrote:
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> Are people seeing that any companies in the Bay Area are moving
>> to Python 3 in a major way?
>>
>> Recently, I have been porting some code from Python 2 to Python 3.
>> From a language purist perspective, I see that Python 3 is technically a
>>  better language.  Some of the new keywords in Python 3.5 like
>> async/await look pretty cool for making it easier to do asyncio
>> programming.
>>
>> However, from an end-user's perspective, the differences between Python
>> 2
>> and Python 3 are annoying.   Although certain features, like asyncio are
>>  interesting, for most major use cases, there doesn't seem to be any
>> "killer feature"
>> or performance boost to justify the effort of going to Python 3. While
>> many major packages have been ported to Python 3, there are still quite
>> a few major packages which are still stuck on Python 2.
>>
>> Despite these problems, I still like Python 3, and want to focus on
>> writing new code which works with it.  I was just curious if people are
>> seeing the move to Python 3 in production.
>>
>> --
>> Craig
>> _______________________________________________
>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> Baypiggies at python.org
>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>>
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From jjinux at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 03:00:27 2015
From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 01:00:27 +0000
Subject: [Baypiggies] Companies moving to Python 3?
In-Reply-To: <CAB0XCvZpepYdYhfnKAHYT837pOR4GngAFf9xnwc1tLdm1q_oKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG=rPVc35YfqCLy_EMQwXWxakfYbqmnzn7JZ7zqAXGoXT+7c5g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB0XCvZpepYdYhfnKAHYT837pOR4GngAFf9xnwc1tLdm1q_oKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB0XCvaxit=+bkSkka-r5+j9hfT2Xz-eq7iiYX4dk5i7qJgsKA@mail.gmail.com>

> I'm going to say the unpopular thing. Python 3 to Python is Perl 6 to
Perl.

Perl 6 is *very* different than Perl. The syntax is different, and the
implementation is entirely redone. It also took a really long time to come
out. None of those things are particularly true of Python 3. There are only
a few syntactic differences, it didn't take that long to come out, and it's
not an entirely new implementation.

> From my point of view, 2 is a teaching language, a joy to teach.  Python
3, not as much.

I really can't think of any reasons why Python 3 isn't a teaching language.
I've seen several books teaching kids to program that use Python 3.

> I don't how I'm going to teach classes (blueprints for objects) when I
have to skip classic classes.

I don't understand that either. Classes, methods, objects, etc. are all
available in new style classes. Actually, when you're teaching OOP from
scratch new style vs. old style classes just don't matter that much.

> I thought the killer app is Unicode.  I wonder if this list wasn't in
English, in an English-speaking (mostly) country, if we'd be seeing more
Python 3 in action?

Python 2 has Unicode support, so you can't call that the killer feature.
The closest things that Python 3 has to a killer feature are "yield from",
asyncio (which was somewhat backported), and the ability to annotate
parameters, etc. so that you can use a nice static type annotation checker.

> Unicode is real important outside of our culture, isn't it?

Yes, but it's humorous to remember that some cultures, like Japan, resent
Unicode for fairly esoteric reasons ;)
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From send2md at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 23:31:02 2015
From: send2md at gmail.com (Marilyn Davis)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 14:31:02 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Companies moving to Python 3?
In-Reply-To: <CAB0XCvaxit=+bkSkka-r5+j9hfT2Xz-eq7iiYX4dk5i7qJgsKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG=rPVc35YfqCLy_EMQwXWxakfYbqmnzn7JZ7zqAXGoXT+7c5g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB0XCvZpepYdYhfnKAHYT837pOR4GngAFf9xnwc1tLdm1q_oKw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB0XCvaxit=+bkSkka-r5+j9hfT2Xz-eq7iiYX4dk5i7qJgsKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMzJrTVWwZGPNuv1_FKFbSHdbwP5zVX+ukU8yXg5M_at-fMtug@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Shannon,

Thanks for the discussion.

Availability isn't the issue; it's about finding a smooth order for
teaching the concepts.

My teaching style is to teach a concept, give exercises; teach a concept,
give exercises, ...  until we plow through everything.  I try to structure
the order of topics so that we build knowledge of Python in curiosity-order.

I like to teach a lab on classes, exercises; then a lab on inheritance.
Both are big concepts to new engineers.  I take them one at a time.

In 3, I'll have to apologize for the "(object)", which they don't yet
understand because they don't know yet about inheritance.

I don't see a way to teach "inheritance" before teaching "class".

I really really hate to ask students to do something that they don't
understand.  And I hate to apologize for what I am teaching, or not quite
teaching.

Those are my thoughts.  Any advice?

Marilyn






On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com>
wrote:

> > I'm going to say the unpopular thing. Python 3 to Python is Perl 6 to
> Perl.
>
> Perl 6 is *very* different than Perl. The syntax is different, and the
> implementation is entirely redone. It also took a really long time to come
> out. None of those things are particularly true of Python 3. There are only
> a few syntactic differences, it didn't take that long to come out, and it's
> not an entirely new implementation.
>
> > From my point of view, 2 is a teaching language, a joy to teach.
> Python 3, not as much.
>
> I really can't think of any reasons why Python 3 isn't a teaching
> language. I've seen several books teaching kids to program that use Python
> 3.
>
> > I don't how I'm going to teach classes (blueprints for objects) when I
> have to skip classic classes.
>
> I don't understand that either. Classes, methods, objects, etc. are all
> available in new style classes. Actually, when you're teaching OOP from
> scratch new style vs. old style classes just don't matter that much.
>
> > I thought the killer app is Unicode.  I wonder if this list wasn't in
> English, in an English-speaking (mostly) country, if we'd be seeing more
> Python 3 in action?
>
> Python 2 has Unicode support, so you can't call that the killer feature.
> The closest things that Python 3 has to a killer feature are "yield from",
> asyncio (which was somewhat backported), and the ability to annotate
> parameters, etc. so that you can use a nice static type annotation checker.
>
> > Unicode is real important outside of our culture, isn't it?
>
> Yes, but it's humorous to remember that some cultures, like Japan, resent
> Unicode for fairly esoteric reasons ;)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Baypiggies mailing list
> Baypiggies at python.org
> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Fri Oct 16 23:39:45 2015
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 14:39:45 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Companies moving to Python 3?
In-Reply-To: <CAMzJrTVWwZGPNuv1_FKFbSHdbwP5zVX+ukU8yXg5M_at-fMtug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG=rPVc35YfqCLy_EMQwXWxakfYbqmnzn7JZ7zqAXGoXT+7c5g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB0XCvZpepYdYhfnKAHYT837pOR4GngAFf9xnwc1tLdm1q_oKw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB0XCvaxit=+bkSkka-r5+j9hfT2Xz-eq7iiYX4dk5i7qJgsKA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMzJrTVWwZGPNuv1_FKFbSHdbwP5zVX+ukU8yXg5M_at-fMtug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20151016213945.GA14534@panix.com>

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015, Marilyn Davis wrote:
>
> In 3, I'll have to apologize for the "(object)", which they don't yet
> understand because they don't know yet about inheritance.

What "object"?  Here's code that works perfectly well in both Python2
and Python3, modulo the print:

class SimpleBunch:
    def __init__(self, **kwargs):
        self.__dict__.update(kwargs)

x = SimpleBunch(a='foo', x='bar')
print(x.a)

I don't see any "object" there....
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

import antigravity

From hasan.diwan at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 23:45:57 2015
From: hasan.diwan at gmail.com (Hasan Diwan)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 14:45:57 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Companies moving to Python 3?
In-Reply-To: <CAMzJrTVWwZGPNuv1_FKFbSHdbwP5zVX+ukU8yXg5M_at-fMtug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG=rPVc35YfqCLy_EMQwXWxakfYbqmnzn7JZ7zqAXGoXT+7c5g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB0XCvZpepYdYhfnKAHYT837pOR4GngAFf9xnwc1tLdm1q_oKw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB0XCvaxit=+bkSkka-r5+j9hfT2Xz-eq7iiYX4dk5i7qJgsKA@mail.gmail.com>
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Marilyn,

On 16 October 2015 at 14:31, Marilyn Davis <send2md at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Shannon,
>
> Thanks for the discussion.
>
> Availability isn't the issue; it's about finding a smooth order for
> teaching the concepts.
>
> My teaching style is to teach a concept, give exercises; teach a concept,
> give exercises, ...  until we plow through everything.  I try to structure
> the order of topics so that we build knowledge of Python in curiosity-order.
>
> I like to teach a lab on classes, exercises; then a lab on inheritance.
> Both are big concepts to new engineers.  I take them one at a time.
>
> In 3, I'll have to apologize for the "(object)", which they don't yet
> understand because they don't know yet about inheritance.
>
> I don't see a way to teach "inheritance" before teaching "class".
>
> I really really hate to ask students to do something that they don't
> understand.  And I hate to apologize for what I am teaching, or not quite
> teaching.
>
> Those are my thoughts.  Any advice?
>

What you could do is show the python class hierarchy and add a user-created
class in the right place, I suppose? -- H

>
> Marilyn
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> > I'm going to say the unpopular thing. Python 3 to Python is Perl 6 to
>> Perl.
>>
>> Perl 6 is *very* different than Perl. The syntax is different, and the
>> implementation is entirely redone. It also took a really long time to come
>> out. None of those things are particularly true of Python 3. There are only
>> a few syntactic differences, it didn't take that long to come out, and it's
>> not an entirely new implementation.
>>
>> > From my point of view, 2 is a teaching language, a joy to teach.
>> Python 3, not as much.
>>
>> I really can't think of any reasons why Python 3 isn't a teaching
>> language. I've seen several books teaching kids to program that use Python
>> 3.
>>
>> > I don't how I'm going to teach classes (blueprints for objects) when I
>> have to skip classic classes.
>>
>> I don't understand that either. Classes, methods, objects, etc. are all
>> available in new style classes. Actually, when you're teaching OOP from
>> scratch new style vs. old style classes just don't matter that much.
>>
>> > I thought the killer app is Unicode.  I wonder if this list wasn't in
>> English, in an English-speaking (mostly) country, if we'd be seeing more
>> Python 3 in action?
>>
>> Python 2 has Unicode support, so you can't call that the killer feature.
>> The closest things that Python 3 has to a killer feature are "yield from",
>> asyncio (which was somewhat backported), and the ability to annotate
>> parameters, etc. so that you can use a nice static type annotation checker.
>>
>> > Unicode is real important outside of our culture, isn't it?
>>
>> Yes, but it's humorous to remember that some cultures, like Japan, resent
>> Unicode for fairly esoteric reasons ;)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> Baypiggies at python.org
>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies
>>
>
>
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From mjumbewu at gmail.com  Sat Oct 17 00:39:45 2015
From: mjumbewu at gmail.com (Mjumbe Poe)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 22:39:45 +0000
Subject: [Baypiggies] Companies moving to Python 3?
In-Reply-To: <20151016213945.GA14534@panix.com>
References: <CAG=rPVc35YfqCLy_EMQwXWxakfYbqmnzn7JZ7zqAXGoXT+7c5g@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Marilyn,

I think the important point in Aahz's reply is that all classes in Python 3
are "new-style" classes. You don't actually have to use the explicit
(object) inheritance.

In my experience, that's made teaching classes with Python 3 easier because
I don't find myself apologizing for the different types of classes. When
you start covering inheritance, you can just say "by default, a class
derives from object, but if you want to change that, blah blah blah." Hope
that helps :).

- Mjumbe

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 5:40 PM Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 16, 2015, Marilyn Davis wrote:
> >
> > In 3, I'll have to apologize for the "(object)", which they don't yet
> > understand because they don't know yet about inheritance.
>
> What "object"?  Here's code that works perfectly well in both Python2
> and Python3, modulo the print:
>
> class SimpleBunch:
>     def __init__(self, **kwargs):
>         self.__dict__.update(kwargs)
>
> x = SimpleBunch(a='foo', x='bar')
> print(x.a)
>
> I don't see any "object" there....
> --
> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>
> http://www.pythoncraft.com/
>
> import antigravity
> _______________________________________________
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From wescpy at gmail.com  Sat Oct 17 00:47:26 2015
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 15:47:26 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Companies moving to Python 3?
In-Reply-To: <20151016213945.GA14534@panix.com>
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I agree with Aahz & JJ:



On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com>
 wrote:

> > I'm going to say the unpopular thing. Python 3 to Python is Perl 6 to
> Perl.
>
> Perl 6 is *very* different than Perl. The syntax is different, and the
> implementation is entirely redone. It also took a really long time to come
> out. None of those things are particularly true of Python 3. There are only
> a few syntactic differences, it didn't take that long to come out, and it's
> not an entirely new implementation.
>

I get where Wai-Yip is coming from, and it's okay to have that perspective,
but the future really is Python 3, or at least PyPy. The comparisons don't
work because as JJ mentioned, it's not an entirely new implementation.
Broad adoption has been hampered mainly by package availability (you're not
going to port if your dependencies haven't), and that gap is narrowing
every day. Here's a graph <http://www.pocoo.org/~gbrandl/py3pkgs.png>
representing the # of Python 3 packages in the Cheeseshop
<http://pypi.python.org> up to the end of 2014Q1.... while it's not
current, you can extrapolate the trend (to arrive at today's count, which
is ~12,400[!]):

[image: Inline image 1]

Django, Flask, various MySQL adapters, NumPy, and SciPy were pretty big
milestones. Even the Google APIs Client Library is now available for Python
3 users <http://goo.gl/OfCbOz> (and I didn't expect *that* to happen in
2015).

>> From my point of view, 2 is a teaching language, a joy to teach.  Python
3, not as much.
>

> >I really can't think of any reasons why Python 3 isn't a teaching
language. I've seen several books teaching kids to program that use Python
3.
>
>> I don't how I'm going to teach classes (blueprints for objects) when I
have to skip classic classes.
>
> I don't understand that either. Classes, methods, objects, etc. are all
available in new style classes. Actually, when you're teaching OOP from
scratch new style vs. old style classes just don't matter that much.

There should be no real stark differences b/w teaching 2.x or 3.x... at
least not until you hit the network. The only minor thing to include is how
some functions/methods that previously returned lists now return iterators.
When you get to networking or text processing, you'll have to talk about
massaging bytes into strings. Aahz' example code snippet emphasizes that
the "classic class" syntax creates new-style classes in 3.x, meaning you
don't need to talk about "(object)" until the time is right.

As a result, all my Python courses are both 2.x & 3.x at the same time, and
the same is true of my books. In fact, many of my code snippets will run
unmodified on 2.x & 3.x interpreters since they're so short, without the
use of a 3rd-party library like six, python-modernize, or future, although
using packages like those is a good practice moving forward.

When 3.0 was released in 2008, its backwards-compatibility and my sense of
how fast the software industry moves made me call "a decade" before
everyone has migrated to 3.x. We've got 3 years left, so I think we're "on
track."

> I thought the killer app is Unicode.  I wonder if this list wasn't in
> English, in an English-speaking (mostly) country, if we'd be seeing more
> Python 3 in action?
>
> Python 2 has Unicode support, so you can't call that the killer feature.
> The closest things that Python 3 has to a killer feature are "yield from",
> asyncio (which was somewhat backported), and the ability to annotate
> parameters, etc. so that you can use a nice static type annotation checker.
>
> > Unicode is real important outside of our culture, isn't it?
>
> Yes, but it's humorous to remember that some cultures, like Japan, resent
> Unicode for fairly esoteric reasons ;)
>

Correct. Unicode is just another string type. Yes, it so happens to be the
default type in 3.x, but that's for the better. It's not a "killer app,"
but a feature that needed to happen to help Python evolve and opens the
doors globally. There *is* no culture in software engineering... just the
need to write code that can handle well more data than the narrow world of
7-bit ASCII. Remember, it's not "Unicode vs. ASCII," but "text vs. data."
(I have to admit that it's a bit more troublesome working with data that
comes from and goes to the network in 3.x though.)

Cheers,
-- Wesley
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"A computer never does what you want... only what you tell it."
    +wesley chun <http://google.com/+WesleyChun> : wescpy at gmail : @wescpy
<http://twitter.com/wescpy>
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From wescpy at gmail.com  Sat Oct 17 00:51:33 2015
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 15:51:33 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Companies moving to Python 3?
In-Reply-To: <CAB6eaA5EPSePeVE8w5zSykQ3Y4iLfuWjKQ9awj34uuNKHHqXFg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG=rPVc35YfqCLy_EMQwXWxakfYbqmnzn7JZ7zqAXGoXT+7c5g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB0XCvZpepYdYhfnKAHYT837pOR4GngAFf9xnwc1tLdm1q_oKw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <20151016213945.GA14534@panix.com>
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Message-ID: <CAB6eaA7HLk7kYe6JOk7tRug77wm7Wevx9+CEwr_aGKnwDZcBeg@mail.gmail.com>

One more thought. I remember when the Python 3 porting wall of superpowers
<http://python3wos.appspot.com/> was mostly red and a "wall of shame," but
now, it's almost all green.

Cheers,
--Wesley
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From send2md at gmail.com  Sat Oct 17 00:37:51 2015
From: send2md at gmail.com (Marilyn Davis)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 15:37:51 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Companies moving to Python 3?
In-Reply-To: <CAP+bYWCauwYb3JSbaL5Qtp8jRk5-=yENJoexdr3O=eEhkVMNmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG=rPVc35YfqCLy_EMQwXWxakfYbqmnzn7JZ7zqAXGoXT+7c5g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMzJrTUh6a2yC2Kgxkmtyq+GDJpBLr2cMbKfgiSkLKGx48XzkA@mail.gmail.com>

OMG.  I read that only New Style was supported in Python and you had to
inherit from object!

Thank you so much Hasan and Aahz.  I am relieved.

Now I look forward to teaching it one day.

Marilyn


On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Hasan Diwan <hasan.diwan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Marilyn,
>
> On 16 October 2015 at 14:31, Marilyn Davis <send2md at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Shannon,
>>
>> Thanks for the discussion.
>>
>> Availability isn't the issue; it's about finding a smooth order for
>> teaching the concepts.
>>
>> My teaching style is to teach a concept, give exercises; teach a concept,
>> give exercises, ...  until we plow through everything.  I try to structure
>> the order of topics so that we build knowledge of Python in curiosity-order.
>>
>> I like to teach a lab on classes, exercises; then a lab on inheritance.
>> Both are big concepts to new engineers.  I take them one at a time.
>>
>> In 3, I'll have to apologize for the "(object)", which they don't yet
>> understand because they don't know yet about inheritance.
>>
>> I don't see a way to teach "inheritance" before teaching "class".
>>
>> I really really hate to ask students to do something that they don't
>> understand.  And I hate to apologize for what I am teaching, or not quite
>> teaching.
>>
>> Those are my thoughts.  Any advice?
>>
>
> What you could do is show the python class hierarchy and add a
> user-created class in the right place, I suppose? -- H
>
>>
>> Marilyn
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> > I'm going to say the unpopular thing. Python 3 to Python is Perl 6 to
>>> Perl.
>>>
>>> Perl 6 is *very* different than Perl. The syntax is different, and the
>>> implementation is entirely redone. It also took a really long time to come
>>> out. None of those things are particularly true of Python 3. There are only
>>> a few syntactic differences, it didn't take that long to come out, and it's
>>> not an entirely new implementation.
>>>
>>> > From my point of view, 2 is a teaching language, a joy to teach.
>>> Python 3, not as much.
>>>
>>> I really can't think of any reasons why Python 3 isn't a teaching
>>> language. I've seen several books teaching kids to program that use Python
>>> 3.
>>>
>>> > I don't how I'm going to teach classes (blueprints for objects) when
>>> I have to skip classic classes.
>>>
>>> I don't understand that either. Classes, methods, objects, etc. are all
>>> available in new style classes. Actually, when you're teaching OOP from
>>> scratch new style vs. old style classes just don't matter that much.
>>>
>>> > I thought the killer app is Unicode.  I wonder if this list wasn't in
>>> English, in an English-speaking (mostly) country, if we'd be seeing more
>>> Python 3 in action?
>>>
>>> Python 2 has Unicode support, so you can't call that the killer feature.
>>> The closest things that Python 3 has to a killer feature are "yield from",
>>> asyncio (which was somewhat backported), and the ability to annotate
>>> parameters, etc. so that you can use a nice static type annotation checker.
>>>
>>> > Unicode is real important outside of our culture, isn't it?
>>>
>>> Yes, but it's humorous to remember that some cultures, like Japan,
>>> resent Unicode for fairly esoteric reasons ;)
>>>
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Sat Oct 17 15:30:14 2015
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 06:30:14 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Companies moving to Python 3?
In-Reply-To: <CAMzJrTUh6a2yC2Kgxkmtyq+GDJpBLr2cMbKfgiSkLKGx48XzkA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG=rPVc35YfqCLy_EMQwXWxakfYbqmnzn7JZ7zqAXGoXT+7c5g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20151017133014.GA28167@panix.com>

[warning: rant ahead]

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015, Marilyn Davis wrote:
>
> OMG.  I read that only New Style was supported in Python and you had to
> inherit from object!

Anyone who has preconceptions or hearsay about Python3 should try
actually using it.

There are IMO still plenty of reasons for sticking with Python2, but
Python3 is absolutely the future, Python 3.4.3 (combined with the
preceding releases) removes several blocking factors that existed in
3.0, and it really doesn't take that much time to learn Python3.

(Yeah, I'm discounting Python 3.5 because I always wait for the .1
release.)

There are now two and only two categories of reasons for sticking with
Python2 for new projects: infrastructure and package availability

(Actually, there's always laziness, but that's not a good reason. ;-)

Keep in mind that Python3 is in the end a smaller leap than going from
Python 1.5.1 (where I started) to Python 2.7....  It just involves a bit
more backwards incompatibility (and not that much more, in the end, given
all the new keywords from Python 1.6 through 2.7).

Note that I myself still haven't used Python3 for anything other than
sample code (and for various reasons I've written less than a hundred
lines of Python code in the last three years -- even that code I posted
just happened to be lying around), but I believe it's absolutely
essential for every serious Python programmer and *EVERYONE* who teaches
Python to be able to refute mistakes like the one you made without having
to think about it.  

Failing to learn at least the basics of Python3 is IMO irresponsible to
the Python community.
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

import antigravity

From mdavis2 at ucsc.edu  Sun Oct 25 15:02:44 2015
From: mdavis2 at ucsc.edu (Marilyn Davis)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 12:02:44 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Classes starting at UCSC Extension
Message-ID: <CAMDjdqw7=5wOh7=YgWcctcJ_HYjeftkfCMjPYfs8f5ReA864MA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Python People,

We have a "Software Engineering For Novices" in the daytime starting Nov 2,
4, and 6: MWF. 9-4 at our lab at UCSC-Extension in Santa Clara, right
across 101 from the Great America sign:

http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=3576274&SectionID=5277302

There we will practice some basic engineering mechanisms so that you can
take the programmers' class at a later time, or a programmers' class in a
different language.  To join this class you need no prior experience with
programming.

However, if you are truely new to programming, it is better to start with
an evening class so that you have more time for practice and sleep.  There
are many at UCSC-Extension.  All are listed here:

http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=courseSearch

If you have programming experience in any language skip the novice class
and join a programmers' class.  The next daytime Python Retreat for
well-seasoned programmers is Mon through Thur, Nov 30 - Dec 3, 9-5:

http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=1531625&SectionID=5277312

The course is low-pressure, but fast-paced, where students learn and
practice core concepts and Pythonic thinking.  To join this class, you
should be well-practiced at programming in some other language.

No beginning programmers please, but you can certainly be new to Python.

ONLINE CLASS:

If you would prefer an online class, you will enjoy:

http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=1531625&SectionID=5277233

Nov 10 - Feb 9.

----
All our Python courses are hands-on with short lectures, and lots of
exercises where we study the solutions after some lab time.

Questions are always welcome; discussion and pair-programming are
encouraged.

Please come, and send students!

---

And, the first quarter of the professional course is available for $20 at
Udemy.Com!  I'm so busy that I can't say when the rest of the course will
be there, but I'm working on it.

https://www.udemy.com/pythonic-python-part-i-the-basics/

I hope you find one of these classes useful to your schedule and your taste.

Marilyn Davis, Ph.D.
Python Instructor
http:www.pythontrainer.com
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From mahmoud at hatnote.com  Tue Oct 27 17:45:29 2015
From: mahmoud at hatnote.com (Mahmoud Hashemi)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 14:45:29 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] PayPal Staff Security Engineer
Message-ID: <CALXjU9FE00ZXBtnpSJ0qoW_CQL1sfRoQgpBEecjyCZwoq2-+7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

Long-time reader, first-time ad poster, doing my best to comply with
http://baypiggies.net/job-listings, too.

At PayPal, multiple new cryptographic core services are Python. These are
high-performance, high-security components, so POSIX/systems/network
experience is a must. We have a broad Python community within the company,
supported by a compact but very experienced dedicated Python team. This
position is within that team.

If you're intrigued by Python at scale, check out the job listing for a
full description (https://www.python.org/jobs/734/) and get in touch!

Mahmoud Hashemi
mahmoud at paypal.com
github.com/mahmoud
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From rodrigc at FreeBSD.org  Fri Oct 30 18:58:04 2015
From: rodrigc at FreeBSD.org (Craig Rodrigues)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 15:58:04 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Companies moving to Python 3?
In-Reply-To: <CAG=rPVc35YfqCLy_EMQwXWxakfYbqmnzn7JZ7zqAXGoXT+7c5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG=rPVc35YfqCLy_EMQwXWxakfYbqmnzn7JZ7zqAXGoXT+7c5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAG=rPVfpVG1hRdt3VpJme68J-0t1tNb4XMES5JchyPgGgxC9gg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to all who responded to my question about companies using Python 3.
I did not mean to cause a ruckus. :)

I actually got a lot of nice and friendly responses on and off the list.

The Python 3 transition is a pain in the neck right now, but eventually it
will be the mainstream.
Despite these transition pains, of all the languages I work with,
I actually feel *happy* when I work with Python. :)

--
Craig
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From aahz at pythoncraft.com  Fri Oct 30 19:37:56 2015
From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:37:56 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Companies moving to Python 3?
In-Reply-To: <CAG=rPVfpVG1hRdt3VpJme68J-0t1tNb4XMES5JchyPgGgxC9gg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG=rPVc35YfqCLy_EMQwXWxakfYbqmnzn7JZ7zqAXGoXT+7c5g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20151030233756.GA10226@panix.com>

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015, Craig Rodrigues wrote:
>
> Despite these transition pains, of all the languages I work with, I
> actually feel *happy* when I work with Python. :)

Next year will be my fortieth anniversary of writing programs.  However,
until I learned Python (a little over fifteen years ago), I hated
programming and I rarely called myself a programmer.

Thanks, Guido!
-- 
Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)           <*>         http://www.pythoncraft.com/

"The more you drive, the less intelligent you are."  --_Repo Man_

From wescpy at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 02:19:48 2015
From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 23:19:48 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Companies moving to Python 3?
In-Reply-To: <20151030233756.GA10226@panix.com>
References: <CAG=rPVc35YfqCLy_EMQwXWxakfYbqmnzn7JZ7zqAXGoXT+7c5g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAB6eaA5BdmbAm5KzXd2oDNAoeOhNi=4RXGwv8ZwWN0Aq+_b=7g@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Aahz <aahz at pythoncraft.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015, Craig Rodrigues wrote:
> > Thanks to all who responded to my question about companies using Python
> 3. I did not mean to cause a ruckus. :)


No, I think your question was quite warranted, and rather than a "ruckus,"
you brought about discussion/dialogue that needed to happen. The audio
isn't great, but we had nearly the same 2 vs. 3 discussion
<http://youtu.be/f2hrpehGXLw> at the SF Python Meetup last summer, although
there were more against-3 attendees & panel members. :-)



> > Despite these transition pains, of all the languages I work with, I
> > actually feel *happy* when I work with Python. :)
>
> Next year will be my fortieth anniversary of writing programs.  However,
> until I learned Python (a little over fifteen years ago), I hated
> programming and I rarely called myself a programmer.
>
> Thanks, Guido!
>

I too blame Guido for my career. ;-)

Cheers,
-- Wesley
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"A computer never does what you want... only what you tell it."
    +wesley chun <http://google.com/+WesleyChun> : wescpy at gmail : @wescpy
<http://twitter.com/wescpy>
    Python training & consulting : http://CyberwebConsulting.com
    "Core Python" books : http://CorePython.com
    Python blog: http://wescpy.blogspot.com
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From rodrigc at FreeBSD.org  Sat Oct 31 19:25:01 2015
From: rodrigc at FreeBSD.org (Craig Rodrigues)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 16:25:01 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Alternatives to Python Fabric for SSH remote execution
 for Python 3?
Message-ID: <CAG=rPVfUYoLJMjam1gK6ktm_-Vb2x3WDH8_maUuTUp4pmWFkJQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I was recently doing QA work at a startup, and extensively used
Fabric ( http://fabfile.org ) for execute commands remotely over SSH.

I used only a few functions from this library, such as
fabric.api.run() , fabric.api.cd(), fabric.api.put(), fabric.api.get().
This allowed me to run a remote command, change to a remote directory,
put a file, and get a file, all over SSH.

For my uses, this worked out quite well.  I really liked this library a lot.

The only downside is the library does not work with Python 3.
I've tried this patch to add Python 3 support:
https://github.com/fabric/fabric/issues/1378
and it works.  However, the author of Fabric is not accepting this patch
because he does not want to drop support for Python 2.5.
The author is working on a rewrite called Pyinvoke (
http://www.pyinvoke.org/ )
which will support Python 3, but that is very early pre-alpha stuff.

Can anyone recommend an alternate library for doing SSH remote
execution, which works on Python 2 and Python 3, and is simple to use?

Since Fabric layers on top of the Paramiko ( http://paramiko.org ) SSH
library,
is using that directly the best way to go?

--
Craig
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From tiejli at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 31 19:38:04 2015
From: tiejli at yahoo.com (Tiejun Li)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 16:38:04 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Alternatives to Python Fabric for SSH remote
 execution for Python 3?
Message-ID: <1446334684.79761.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web142606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

There is none. Fabric is the best.

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

From:"Craig Rodrigues" <rodrigc at FreeBSD.org>
Date:Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 4:25 PM
Subject:[Baypiggies] Alternatives to Python Fabric for SSH remote execution for Python 3?

Hi,

I was recently doing QA work at a startup, and extensively used

Fabric ( http://fabfile.org ) for execute commands remotely over SSH.

I used only a few functions from this library, such as

fabric.api.run() , fabric.api.cd(), fabric.api.put(), fabric.api.get().

This allowed me to run a remote command, change to a remote directory,

put a file, and get a file, all over SSH.

For my uses, this worked out quite well.? I really liked this library a lot.

The only downside is the library does not work with Python 3.

I've tried this patch to add Python 3 support: https://github.com/fabric/fabric/issues/1378

and it works.? However, the author of Fabric is not accepting this patch

because he does not want to drop support for Python 2.5.

The author is working on a rewrite called Pyinvoke ( http://www.pyinvoke.org/ )

which will support Python 3, but that is very early pre-alpha stuff.

Can anyone recommend an alternate library for doing SSH remote

execution, which works on Python 2 and Python 3, and is simple to use?

Since Fabric layers on top of the Paramiko ( http://paramiko.org ) SSH library,

is using that directly the best way to go?


--

Craig

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From david.berthelot at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 20:25:33 2015
From: david.berthelot at gmail.com (David Berthelot)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 17:25:33 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Alternatives to Python Fabric for SSH remote
 execution for Python 3?
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You can use python 2.7.x for fabfile.py since it's just a single file
independent of the rest of your project.

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Tiejun Li via Baypiggies <
baypiggies at python.org> wrote:

> There is none. Fabric is the best.
>
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> ------------------------------
> *From*:"Craig Rodrigues" <rodrigc at FreeBSD.org>
> *Date*:Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 4:25 PM
> *Subject*:[Baypiggies] Alternatives to Python Fabric for SSH remote
> execution for Python 3?
>
> Hi,
>
> I was recently doing QA work at a startup, and extensively used
> Fabric ( http://fabfile.org ) for execute commands remotely over SSH.
>
> I used only a few functions from this library, such as
> fabric.api.run() , fabric.api.cd(), fabric.api.put(), fabric.api.get().
> This allowed me to run a remote command, change to a remote directory,
> put a file, and get a file, all over SSH.
>
> For my uses, this worked out quite well.  I really liked this library a
> lot.
>
> The only downside is the library does not work with Python 3.
> I've tried this patch to add Python 3 support:
> https://github.com/fabric/fabric/issues/1378
> and it works.  However, the author of Fabric is not accepting this patch
> because he does not want to drop support for Python 2.5.
> The author is working on a rewrite called Pyinvoke (
> http://www.pyinvoke.org/ )
> which will support Python 3, but that is very early pre-alpha stuff.
>
> Can anyone recommend an alternate library for doing SSH remote
> execution, which works on Python 2 and Python 3, and is simple to use?
>
> Since Fabric layers on top of the Paramiko ( http://paramiko.org ) SSH
> library,
> is using that directly the best way to go?
>
> --
> Craig
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From harlowja at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 20:46:41 2015
From: harlowja at gmail.com (Joshua Harlow)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 17:46:41 -0700
Subject: [Baypiggies] Alternatives to Python Fabric for SSH remote
 execution for Python 3?
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Or

https://pypi.python.org/pypi/plumbum

That is similar to fabric (imho it's better); may work for u...

On Saturday, October 31, 2015, David Berthelot <david.berthelot at gmail.com>
wrote:

> You can use python 2.7.x for fabfile.py since it's just a single file
> independent of the rest of your project.
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 4:38 PM, Tiejun Li via Baypiggies <
> baypiggies at python.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','baypiggies at python.org');>> wrote:
>
>> There is none. Fabric is the best.
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From*:"Craig Rodrigues" <rodrigc at FreeBSD.org>
>> *Date*:Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 4:25 PM
>> *Subject*:[Baypiggies] Alternatives to Python Fabric for SSH remote
>> execution for Python 3?
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I was recently doing QA work at a startup, and extensively used
>> Fabric ( http://fabfile.org ) for execute commands remotely over SSH.
>>
>> I used only a few functions from this library, such as
>> fabric.api.run() , fabric.api.cd(), fabric.api.put(), fabric.api.get().
>> This allowed me to run a remote command, change to a remote directory,
>> put a file, and get a file, all over SSH.
>>
>> For my uses, this worked out quite well.  I really liked this library a
>> lot.
>>
>> The only downside is the library does not work with Python 3.
>> I've tried this patch to add Python 3 support:
>> https://github.com/fabric/fabric/issues/1378
>> and it works.  However, the author of Fabric is not accepting this patch
>> because he does not want to drop support for Python 2.5.
>> The author is working on a rewrite called Pyinvoke (
>> http://www.pyinvoke.org/ )
>> which will support Python 3, but that is very early pre-alpha stuff.
>>
>> Can anyone recommend an alternate library for doing SSH remote
>> execution, which works on Python 2 and Python 3, and is simple to use?
>>
>> Since Fabric layers on top of the Paramiko ( http://paramiko.org ) SSH
>> library,
>> is using that directly the best way to go?
>>
>> --
>> Craig
>> _______________________________________________
>> Baypiggies mailing list
>> Baypiggies at python.org
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