From Web at StevePiercy.com Thu Jan 7 04:40:40 2016 From: Web at StevePiercy.com (Steve Piercy - Website Builder) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 01:40:40 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Santa Cruz Python Meetup - Make your own blog with Pyramid Blogr Message-ID: We are pleased to announce the program for the next Santa Cruz Python meetup on Tuesday, January 12, 7:30 PM - 9:30 PM, in the Atrium Classroom at Cruzio,?877 Cedar Street, Santa Cruz, CA. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=877+Cedar+Street%2C+Santa+Cruz%2C+CA%2C+us View details and RSVP for the meetup. Make your own blog with Pyramid Blogr http://www.meetup.com/Santa-Cruz-Python/events/227323343/ When: Tuesday, January 12, 2015 7:30 PM NOTE: Time has shifted 30 minutes later for this month only. Where: Cruzio, Atrium Classroom 877 Cedar Street Santa Cruz, CA Event details: The next meetup of Santa Cruz Python will be held in the Atrium Classroom of Cruzio, located at 877 Cedar Street, Santa Cruz, CA. Regular monthly Santa Cruz Python meetups are held on the second Tuesday of the month at Cruzio. We are looking for additional presenters of Python topics. A presentation can consist of slides, a code walk through, demo, tutorial, or even interpretive dance. Please email Steve (web at stevepiercy.com) or Chris (cklippi at gmail.com). We are seeking potential sponsors for food, tasty beverages, or room rental fees. Please refer sponsors to Chris or Steve. =====================SPONSORS===================== Through a generous grant from the Python Software Foundation, our first six months of room rental fees are paid, so that we can deliver our program to Santa Cruz County. The PSF is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization that promotes, protects, and advances the Python programming language and community. The PSF is supported by its members, donors, volunteers, and sponsors. Please contribute to support the PSF and its mission. https://www.python.org/psf-landing/ ----------------------------------- JetBrains is a technology-leading software development firm specializing in the creation of intelligent, productivity-enhancing software. JetBrains offers Santa Cruz Python Meetup attendees free PyCharm licenses as prizes. https://www.jetbrains.com/ =====================PROGRAM===================== Subject to change, particularly for more volunteer presenters. Announcements: 7:30 - 7:40 PM ----------------------------------- Tutorial: 7:40 - 9:00 PM Make your own blog with Pyramid Blogr. ** Bring your laptop. ** We will hack together in pairs, and help one another to create a working blog web application. Abstract: Pyramid Blogr is an introduction to basic concepts of the Pyramid web framework and web application development. Participants who successfully complete the steps presented during the tutorial will be entered for a drawing for a license of any JetBrains product. If you submit a pull request that is accepted by the Pyramid Blogr project maintainers, then you will receive another entry for the drawing. There is no limit to the number of pull requests and entries, except that they must be submitted only during the tutorial. Bio: Steve Piercy is a core contributor to the Pylons Project projects, including the Pyramid web framework. He recently overhauled the original pyramid_blogr tutorial by Marcin Lulek. Steve has been a web application developer since 1997, and embraced Python and Pyramid in 2011 for the T-shirts after attending his first PyCon. Steve is a self-employed independent contractor in Soquel. ----------------------------------- Open Forum: 9:00 PM - 9:25 PM Discussion of projects you are working on, software releases, upcoming events, job opportunities, and more. ----------------------------------- JetBrains/PyCharm license drawing: 9:25 PM ----------------------------------- Doors close: 9:30 PM. Walk to L?pulo Craft Beer House, 233 Cathcart Street, Santa Cruz for tasty food and adult beverages. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Steve Piercy Website Builder Soquel, CA From chityala at gmail.com Thu Jan 7 20:14:29 2016 From: chityala at gmail.com (Ravi) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 17:14:29 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Two Winter Python course at UCSC Extension in San Jose Message-ID: Hello All, Two identical Python courses are being offered at the UCSC Extension in San Jose during the Winter term. Both the courses will cover the most important aspects of Python and will be very hands-on with in-class activities and homework. We will also provide IPython notebook that will contain many examples. You can choose to take one of the course according to your schedule. The first course starts on Jan 11, 2016 and ends on Mar 28, 2016 and will be held every Monday from 6:30-9:30 pm. To register for this section visit http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=1531625&SectionID=5277657 The second course starts on Jan 22, 2016 and ends on Apr 1, 2016 and will be held every Friday from 6:30-9:30 pm. To register for this section visit http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=1531625&SectionID=5277659 UCSC Extension is accredited by various bodies through the University of California, Santa Cruz. Hence, many employers will reimburse the cost of the course. 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I've never used it but heard some good buzz about it. -Marc http://marc-abramowitz.com Sent from my iPhone 6+ > On Jan 10, 2016, at 9:09 AM, Stephen wrote: > > Hi all, and Happy New Year, > > I am working on a couple of collaborative projects where we'll be keeping our files on the cloud > (AWS, Dropbox, GoogleDrive, OneDrive, (Yahoo, Apple, etc. etc.)), > and possibly moving files around across clouds. > > Can anyone recommend some good Python package(s) which offer some level of vendor-independence? > Ease-of-use is more important than performance. > Bonus points if it handles reliably moving files between cloud vendors. > > Come to think of it, if anyone else is interested in someone who knows about this giving a talk on this topic, please reply with a +1 > > Thanks, > Stephen > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mvoorhie at yahoo.com Sun Jan 10 22:12:14 2016 From: mvoorhie at yahoo.com (Mark Voorhies) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 19:12:14 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] One package to handle files on AWS, Dropbox, GoogleDrive , OneDrive etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56931D8E.1020001@yahoo.com> On 01/10/2016 09:09 AM, Stephen wrote: > Hi all, and Happy New Year, > I am working on a couple of collaborative projects where we'll be keeping our files on the cloud(AWS, Dropbox, GoogleDrive, OneDrive, (Yahoo, Apple, etc. etc.)),and possibly moving files around across clouds. > Can anyone recommend some good Python package(s) which offer some level of vendor-independence?Ease-of-use is more important than performance.Bonus points if it handles reliably moving files between cloud vendors. > Come to think of it, if anyone else is interested in someone who knows about this giving a talk on this topic, please reply with a +1 > Thanks,Stephen Not Python (Haskell with command line interface) but you might take a look at Joey Hess's git-annex. It handles syncing files across several cloud services (including DropBox and Amazon). Minimally, the architecture may be interesting to you, and, depending on your needs, you might get away with just wrapping the command line interface via subprocess. --Mark From table.delete at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 14:48:49 2016 From: table.delete at gmail.com (Jason Heimann) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 11:48:49 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] One package to handle files on AWS, Dropbox, , GoogleDrive , OneDrive etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56940721.20906@gmail.com> I've some limited experience with this library. While the goal is to allow for seamless operation across vendors, the reality is different. We've had to implement the library ever-so-slightly-differently for each provider we use. It's not gobs of code, but it's also not plug-and-play. That being said, libcloud is as good as you're going to get. -Jason On 01/11/2016 09:00 AM, baypiggies-request at python.org wrote: > Have you come across > > http://libcloud.apache.org > > ? I've never used it but heard some good buzz about it. > > -Marc > http://marc-abramowitz.com > Sent from my iPhone 6+ From ashish.makani at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 04:06:31 2016 From: ashish.makani at gmail.com (ashish makani) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 14:36:31 +0530 Subject: [Baypiggies] Fwd: Tools/libraries to determine the call graph(call flow) of an python program (module/package) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Folks, I am trying to do the following. I have a moderately complex python module/application X, whose source code i have access to. I run X with the following command python x.py ... Internally, x.py callls y.py, which in turn calls z.py, etc etc x.py ---> y.py ---> z.py ---> u.py ---> v.py Is there a python library/tool/module , to which i give input the start point of X, x.py and the input arguments, arg1, arg2, ..., argn and which can come up with the call graph of X I have tried looking at pycallgraph[0], but havent had much luck with it. 0. https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pycallgraph Any suggestions,advice, pointers welcome. Thanks a ton, ashish *"Talk is cheap. Show me the code." - Linus Torvalds [* * https://lkml.org/lkml/2000/8/25/132* * ]* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jrodman at splunk.com Tue Jan 12 09:29:17 2016 From: jrodman at splunk.com (Joshua Rodman) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 06:29:17 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Fwd: Tools/libraries to determine the call graph(call flow) of an python program (module/package) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20160112142917.GC11697@joshbook.splunk.com> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 02:36:31PM +0530, ashish makani wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I am trying to do the following. > > I have a moderately complex python module/application X, whose source code > i have access to. > > I run X with the following command > > python x.py ... > > > Internally, x.py callls y.py, which in turn calls z.py, etc etc > > x.py ---> y.py ---> z.py ---> u.py ---> v.py Do you mean that x imports y and runs code in it, or do you mean that x creates a new process by running exec(["python", "y.py"]) ? > Is there a python library/tool/module , to which i give input the start > point of X, x.py > and the input arguments, arg1, arg2, ..., argn > > and which can come up with the call graph of X > > I have tried looking at pycallgraph[0], but havent had much luck with it. > 0. https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pycallgraph > > Any suggestions,advice, pointers welcome. if you're just looking to get a cross-module callgraph of a single python program, I have used this exact tool successfully, though it took some work editing the intermediate data to get a nicely labelled graph. if you're trying to map out the call flow cross-process, then I don't have any good ideas. -josh -- Splunk. Here. There. Everywhere. JRodman. Software Engineer. Splunk Supportability Engineering o . o . o . o . o . o o Transportin' the softwares. . . ___ _n_n_n____i_i ________ ______________ _++++++++++++++_ *>(____________I I______I I____________I I______________I /ooOOOO OOOOoo oo oooo oo oo ooo ooo ------------------------------------------------------------ From ashish.makani at gmail.com Tue Jan 12 12:52:28 2016 From: ashish.makani at gmail.com (ashish makani) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 23:22:28 +0530 Subject: [Baypiggies] Fwd: Tools/libraries to determine the call graph(call flow) of an python program (module/package) In-Reply-To: <20160112142917.GC11697@joshbook.splunk.com> References: <20160112142917.GC11697@joshbook.splunk.com> Message-ID: Thanks a ton Josh. I meant the flow of X starts with some function in x.py which in turn calls some fuction in y.py( not using exec, using imports & simple function calls), etc etc Did you mean you have used pycallgraph but it took some massaging the intermediate date before getting the pretty labelled call flow graph/diagram ? Thanks & happy tuesday ! :), ashish sent from mobile device ; excuse typos & auto-correct errors On Jan 12, 2016 19:59, "Joshua Rodman" wrote: > On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 02:36:31PM +0530, ashish makani wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > > > I am trying to do the following. > > > > I have a moderately complex python module/application X, whose source > code > > i have access to. > > > > I run X with the following command > > > > python x.py ... > > > > > > Internally, x.py callls y.py, which in turn calls z.py, etc etc > > > > x.py ---> y.py ---> z.py ---> u.py ---> v.py > > Do you mean that x imports y and runs code in it, or do you mean that > x creates a new process by running exec(["python", "y.py"]) ? > > > Is there a python library/tool/module , to which i give input the start > > point of X, x.py > > and the input arguments, arg1, arg2, ..., argn > > > > and which can come up with the call graph of X > > > > I have tried looking at pycallgraph[0], but havent had much luck with it. > > 0. https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pycallgraph > > > > Any suggestions,advice, pointers welcome. > > if you're just looking to get a cross-module callgraph of a single > python program, I have used this exact tool successfully, though it > took some work editing the intermediate data to get a nicely labelled > graph. > > if you're trying to map out the call flow cross-process, then I don't > have any good ideas. > > -josh > -- > Splunk. Here. There. Everywhere. > JRodman. Software Engineer. Splunk Supportability Engineering > o . o . o . o . o . o > o Transportin' the softwares. > . > . ___ > _n_n_n____i_i ________ ______________ _++++++++++++++_ > *>(____________I I______I I____________I I______________I > /ooOOOO OOOOoo oo oooo oo oo ooo ooo > ------------------------------------------------------------ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdavis2 at ucsc.edu Tue Jan 12 19:24:43 2016 From: mdavis2 at ucsc.edu (Marilyn Davis) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 16:24:43 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] More Python Classes at UCSC Extension Message-ID: Hi Python Enthusiasts, Our next daytime retreat-style "Python for Programmers" class isn't until March 14 - 17. That's a long time to wait: http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=1531625&SectionID=5277660 But an online class opens today for early-starters: http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=1531625&SectionID=5277658 The class doesn't officially begin until Feb 16 but you can access all the resources, and have my enthusiastic help, starting today. These classes are for programmers who are already well-experienced in some other language. No beginning programmers please, but you can certainly be new to Python. The retreat-style class will be at our lab at UCSC-Extension in Santa Clara, right across the 101 from the Great America sign: If you are a bit rusty at programming, you might be more comfortable in an evening course that meets once a week so you have some time to absorb the concepts. You'll find those: http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=1531625&SectionID=5277659 If you are a beginning programmer, please take one of our classes that are designed just for you, and you can take a programmer's class later: http://course.ucsc-extension.edu/modules/shop/index.html?action=section&OfferingID=3576274&SectionID=5277739 ---- All our Python courses are hands-on with short lectures, and lots of relevent exercises, and, we study the solutions after some lab time. Questions are always welcome; discussion and pair-programming are encouraged. Please come, and send students! --- And, the first quarter of the professional course is available for $20 at Udemy.Com! I'm so busy that I can't say when the rest of the course will be there, but I'm working on it, and part ii is close to ready: https://www.udemy.com/pythonic-python-part-i-the-basics/ I hope you find one of these classes useful to your schedule and your taste. 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What's going on? - Marty From spmcinerney at hotmail.com Wed Jan 13 08:04:24 2016 From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 05:04:24 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups In-Reply-To: <9818.24.7.60.89.1452651043.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> References: <9818.24.7.60.89.1452651043.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> Message-ID: I was about to post about this mystery too:- I guess all the Meetup organizers became inactive sometime December, and David A quietly stepped down without publicizing it, then the Meetup had no owner,and could be taken over by anyone.- Suresh V took over the Meetup group, charged a $20 fee per person per year, (which means he just made $600 off other people's community work, without permission), changed the Meetup name to "Bay Area Python 3.x Indulgence Group" (http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/), unilaterally changed the venue, dates etc. (Actually he initially tried to charge $5/person/month dues, which would have been $60/person/year, to all 300 members.)- I'm not sure he's even allowed to do that and probably he should give the BayPIGgies Meetup organizer position back (he's welcome to start his own totally separate for-profit Python Meetup, but not use the BayPIGgies name, and he should probably also refund all the $600 he obtained by using the BayPIGgies name without any permission)- does anyone have a contact for David A, the old organizer? I checked and I don't. I don't even know the spelling of his last name otherwise I'd have reached him in December. We need to redistribute his organizer duties in a coordinated way. (Thanks David for the hard work.)- meanwhile who are the owners of this BayPIGgies mailing-list and www.baypiggies.net site admin and domain name owner? Stephen > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 18:10:43 -0800 > From: martin at falatic.com > To: baypiggies at python.org > Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups > > So I recently got an email saying I needed to pay $20 to stay in the > BayPIGgies Meetup group. Figuring it's been good so far and not knowing > things had significantly changed I paid it. Now I see that every upcoming > Meetup has a fee attached to it as well (and they're no longer at LinkedIn > and they're on odd days of the week - e.g., Saturday). > > And since when did the acronym change? Is the Meetup group not related to > http://www.baypiggies.net/ and this mailing list now? > > What's going on? > > - Marty > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark.voorhies at ucsf.edu Tue Jan 12 17:16:47 2016 From: mark.voorhies at ucsf.edu (Mark Voorhies) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 14:16:47 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Python or language-neutral bridge for Java RMI Message-ID: <56957B4F.5000406@ucsf.edu> I have a set of in-house data viewers implemented in Python that I would like to connect to "The Gaggle" (BMC Bioinformatics 7:176, http://gaggle.systemsbiology.net/docs/geese/), a collection of Java data viewers that communicate via Java RMI. Does anyone have any experience talking to Java RMI directly from Python, exposing it via REST, etc.? Thanks in advance, Mark From aahz at pythoncraft.com Wed Jan 13 09:15:05 2016 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 06:15:05 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups In-Reply-To: References: <9818.24.7.60.89.1452651043.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> Message-ID: <20160113141505.GB29851@panix.com> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016, Stephen wrote: > martin at falatic.com >> >> And since when did the acronym change? Is the Meetup group not related to >> http://www.baypiggies.net/ and this mailing list now? AFAIK, the Meetup group never was formally associated with baypiggies.net nor this mailing list. > meanwhile who are the owners of this BayPIGgies mailing-list and > www.baypiggies.net site admin and domain name owner? whois will tell you that baypiggies.net is now owned by the PSF (following a discussion last December when Dennis Reinhardt wanted to give it up); this BayPIGgies mailing list has always been owned by the PSF and hosted on the PSF servers after Deirdre Saoirse Moen stopped running the original list several years ago. -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection." --Butler Lampson From dinaldo at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 09:41:35 2016 From: dinaldo at gmail.com (Don Sheu) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 06:41:35 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups In-Reply-To: <20160113141505.GB29851@panix.com> References: <9818.24.7.60.89.1452651043.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> <20160113141505.GB29851@panix.com> Message-ID: I remember as Aahz stated Dennis Reinhardt posting to psf-community email list about transferring the baypiggies.netregistration to a safe holder. Lynn Root recommended like she'd done with pyladies.com, that the current owner transfer the ownership to the PSF. I organize PuPPy in Seattle. When I arrived in Seattle there was a professional meetup organizer running Python meetups sporadically. So I feel the pain expressed in this thread. I've enjoyed the frequent engagement of BayPiggies' community on the mailing list. I'd be glad to help out to keep this group going. Though since I'm located in Seattle, I can't make every monthly meeting. Are there folks willing to step in as event hosts on a rotating basis? I lived in San Mateo for a few years, so somewhat familiar with the geography. Happy to try to support locating venues, speakers, and sponsors. Thoughts? Apologies to Martin and Stephen for the repeat. The list moderator rejected my earlier message because of the screenshot. -- Don Sheu 312.880.9389 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - RSVP for my Python user group, meeting 1/13/2016 Zillow *http://www.meetup.com/PSPPython/events/227337808/ * ? On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 6:15 AM, Aahz wrote: > On Wed, Jan 13, 2016, Stephen wrote: > > martin at falatic.com > >> > >> And since when did the acronym change? Is the Meetup group not related > to > >> http://www.baypiggies.net/ and this mailing list now? > > AFAIK, the Meetup group never was formally associated with baypiggies.net > nor this mailing list. > > > meanwhile who are the owners of this BayPIGgies mailing-list and > > www.baypiggies.net site admin and domain name owner? > > whois will tell you that baypiggies.net is now owned by the PSF > (following a discussion last December when Dennis Reinhardt wanted to > give it up); this BayPIGgies mailing list has always been owned by the > PSF and hosted on the PSF servers after Deirdre Saoirse Moen stopped > running the original list several years ago. > -- > Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> > http://www.pythoncraft.com/ > > "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of > indirection." --Butler Lampson > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Don Sheu 312.880.9389 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - RSVP for my Python user group, meeting 1/13/2016 Zillow *http://www.meetup.com/PSPPython/events/227337808/ * *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*: *The information contained in this message may be protected trade secrets or protected by applicable intellectual property laws of the United States and International agreements. 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Perhaps we should reach out to meetup.com? -Bill On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 5:04 AM, Stephen wrote: > I was about to post about this mystery too: > - I guess all the Meetup organizers became inactive sometime December, > and David A quietly stepped down without publicizing it, then the Meetup > had no owner, > and could be taken over by anyone. > - Suresh V took over the Meetup group, charged a $20 fee per person per > year, (which means he just made $600 off other people's community work, > without permission), changed the Meetup name to "Bay Area Python 3.x > Indulgence Group" (http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/), unilaterally > changed the venue, dates etc. (Actually he initially tried to charge > $5/person/month dues, which would have been $60/person/year, to all > 300 members.) > - I'm not sure he's even allowed to do that and probably he should give > the BayPIGgies Meetup organizer position back (he's welcome to start his > own totally separate for-profit Python Meetup, but not use the BayPIGgies > name, and he should probably also refund all the $600 he obtained by > using the BayPIGgies name without any permission) > - does anyone have a contact for David A, the old organizer? I checked and > I don't. > I don't even know the spelling of his last name otherwise I'd have > reached him in December. > We need to redistribute his organizer duties in a coordinated way. > (Thanks David for the hard work.) > - meanwhile who are the owners of this BayPIGgies mailing-list and > www.baypiggies.net site admin > and domain name owner? > > Stephen > > > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 18:10:43 -0800 > > From: martin at falatic.com > > To: baypiggies at python.org > > Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups > > > > > So I recently got an email saying I needed to pay $20 to stay in the > > BayPIGgies Meetup group. Figuring it's been good so far and not knowing > > things had significantly changed I paid it. Now I see that every upcoming > > Meetup has a fee attached to it as well (and they're no longer at > LinkedIn > > and they're on odd days of the week - e.g., Saturday). > > > > And since when did the acronym change? 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URL: From cappy2112 at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 11:07:12 2016 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 08:07:12 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups In-Reply-To: <9818.24.7.60.89.1452651043.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> References: <9818.24.7.60.89.1452651043.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> Message-ID: >>Is the Meetup group not related to http://www.baypiggies.net/ and this mailing list now? Meetup.com is its own entity. However, Glen Jarvis started using it as a way to promote the Baypiggies meetings by attracting a larger audience. Cross-posting the Baypiggies meetings on Meetup.com worked quite well too, as the turnouts have been bigger. David and I have repeatedly asked for help organizing the Baypiggies meetings, but none offered to help. I had stepped down as a co-organizer over a year ago. David and Peggy started helping. That was working pretty well for a while, until Peggy left LinkedIn. David too has other responsibilities, so the Baypiggies meetings at LinkedIn have stopped as of the end of 2015. I think we still have a contact at Linkedin, but without a handful of volunteers to find presenters and organize the meetings it will not continue. Several people should be involved in this, so that they can cover for each other during absences. I took this role on for many years, but really would have wanted others to chip in and help. If people want Baypiggies to continue, they need to step in and contribute. I believe the Baypiggies meetings can still continue independently on the unscrupulous actives that recently started on the Meetup group by Suresh, as long as we have a handful of volunteers. It's just that simple, and always has been. On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Martin Falatic wrote: > So I recently got an email saying I needed to pay $20 to stay in the > BayPIGgies Meetup group. 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Now I see that every upcoming > Meetup has a fee attached to it as well (and they're no longer at LinkedIn > and they're on odd days of the week - e.g., Saturday). > > And since when did the acronym change? Is the Meetup group not related to > http://www.baypiggies.net/ and this mailing list now? > > What's going on? > > - Marty > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Now I see that every upcoming > Meetup has a fee attached to it as well (and they're no longer at LinkedIn > and they're on odd days of the week - e.g., Saturday). > > And since when did the acronym change? Is the Meetup group not related to > http://www.baypiggies.net/ and this mailing list now? > > What's going on? > > - Marty > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dinaldo at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 11:39:13 2016 From: dinaldo at gmail.com (Don Sheu) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 08:39:13 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups In-Reply-To: References: <9818.24.7.60.89.1452651043.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> Message-ID: If the PSF items the domain registration, should the PDF board issue a cease and desist to Suresh? PSF chair Van Lindberg is an attorney. Believe his specialty is IP law. Tony, good job keeping it going long as you did. It's a lot of work keeping a user group running, and often there's little feedback from attendees. ? On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:32 AM, Tony Cappellini wrote: > > FYI- Suresh hosted/organized the first (no-charge) Python meetup in 2016, > at the Hacker Dojo in Mtn View on Jan 30th, at 4:30PM. > The topic is "Using Python to Analyze Datacubes in Astronomy" > > If you want to talk with him about the recent changes with the Python > Meetup group, you can find him there. > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Martin Falatic > wrote: > >> So I recently got an email saying I needed to pay $20 to stay in the >> BayPIGgies Meetup group. Figuring it's been good so far and not knowing >> things had significantly changed I paid it. Now I see that every upcoming >> Meetup has a fee attached to it as well (and they're no longer at LinkedIn >> and they're on odd days of the week - e.g., Saturday). >> >> And since when did the acronym change? Is the Meetup group not related to >> http://www.baypiggies.net/ and this mailing list now? >> >> What's going on? >> >> - Marty >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Don Sheu 312.880.9389 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - RSVP for my Python user group, meeting 1/13/2016 Zillow *http://www.meetup.com/PSPPython/events/227337808/ * *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*: *The information contained in this message may be protected trade secrets or protected by applicable intellectual property laws of the United States and International agreements. 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For details, see: http://www.meetup.com/Santa-Cruz-Python/ --steve -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Steve Piercy Website Builder Soquel, CA From martin at falatic.com Wed Jan 13 12:11:40 2016 From: martin at falatic.com (Martin Falatic) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 09:11:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups In-Reply-To: References: <9818.24.7.60.89.1452651043.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> Message-ID: <41935.24.7.60.89.1452705100.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> First, and wholeheartedly, a big thank you to Glen, Peggy, David and the others for their fine work keeping things running - I had no idea how much things had changed at the end of last year and I don't blame any of them for the present circumstances. I have the email from this list about a year and a half ago where Glen mentioned cross-promoting BayPIGgies meetups. It's clear that after that the SV Python meetups basically stopped in favor the ones through BayPIGgies (which all worked quite well as the two meetup groups were basically synonymous at that point). This recent change happened under the radar, and I'm surprised nobody has questioned it til now - that worries me as it may mean reputational damage has already been done. I haven't seen much traffic in regard to this other than the change of organizer (at the start of the holidays) and the sudden annual fee requirement (either $20/year or $5/month depending on which email you read). I just figured that was a hiccup in a routine transition but clearly it's much more, between that, the new backronym, and the fee tacked on to each meetup (starting with the next one). It's not *about* the fees, it's about the fact that someone is fleecing the (remaining) members of the meetup group for fees small and large while tarnishing the BayPIGgies name in the process. - Marty On Wed, January 13, 2016, Tony Cappellini also wrote: BTW, The efforts and contributions of David, Glen Jarvis and Peggy, to Baypiggies have made the biggest and best changes to the group that I've seen since I've been in Baypiggies. On Wed, January 13, 2016 08:07, Tony Cappellini wrote: >>> Is the Meetup group not related to http://www.baypiggies.net/ and >>> this > mailing list now? Meetup.com is its own entity. However, Glen Jarvis > started using it as a way to promote the Baypiggies meetings by attracting > a larger audience. Cross-posting the Baypiggies meetings on Meetup.com > worked quite well too, as the turnouts have been bigger. > > David and I have repeatedly asked for help organizing the Baypiggies > meetings, but none offered to help. I had stepped down as a co-organizer > over a year ago. David and Peggy started helping. That was working pretty > well for a while, until Peggy left LinkedIn. David too has other > responsibilities, so the Baypiggies meetings at LinkedIn have stopped as > of the end of 2015. I think we still have a contact at Linkedin, but > without a handful of volunteers to find presenters and organize the > meetings it will not continue. Several people should be involved in this, > so that they can cover for each other during absences. > > I took this role on for many years, but really would have wanted others > to chip in and help. > > If people want Baypiggies to continue, they need to step in and > contribute. I believe the Baypiggies meetings can still continue > independently on the unscrupulous actives that recently started on the > Meetup group by Suresh, > as long as we have a handful of volunteers. > > It's just that simple, and always has been. > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Martin Falatic > wrote: > > >> So I recently got an email saying I needed to pay $20 to stay in the >> BayPIGgies Meetup group. Figuring it's been good so far and not knowing >> things had significantly changed I paid it. Now I see that every >> upcoming Meetup has a fee attached to it as well (and they're no longer >> at LinkedIn and they're on odd days of the week - e.g., Saturday). >> >> And since when did the acronym change? Is the Meetup group not related >> to http://www.baypiggies.net/ and this mailing list now? >> >> >> What's going on? >> >> >> - Marty >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> >> > From spmcinerney at hotmail.com Wed Jan 13 12:37:01 2016 From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 09:37:01 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups In-Reply-To: References: <9818.24.7.60.89.1452651043.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com>, , Message-ID: Guys, Contrary to these comments, the BayPIGgies Meetup *is* very much associatedwith BayPIGgies. 300 of us had been happily using it for event notification, calendaring,RSVP and ridesharing, since ~2010.When Suresh took over that Meetup, he took over the Meetup URL http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/ (which will generate lots of confusion),and also took over the member-list, 90% of whom have dropped off since. I believe we totally have the right to take back the BayPIGgies Meetup.As I suggested, we simply need the previous owner to identify themselves, showMeetup the receipts, and state that it's our Meetup, and have an orderly discussionabout venue and dues.I believe that person was David A, I don't have his contact and I don't have the receipts. I privately tried to contact David A, Grace Law and Tony in the last 5 days about this.I also spoke to David A about it on several occasions in 2015, as far back as 3/2015.I don't have his phone, email or last name - who does? I suggest we ask Meetup to request Suresh to return the $600 member dues hesolicited by advertising it as "BayPIGgies Meetup", minus anything he spenton Meetup registration and HackerDojo room fees, although we had a free locationat LinkedIn anyway.Suresh is totally free to establish a new for-profit Meetup which does not havethe URL http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/.If there is actually a real problem with BayPIGgies losing LinkedIn as a venue,and needing a new venue, this is the first most of us have heard of it, andI'm happy to help find one (I previously spoke in 2015 with both LinkedIn Data Science,and H2O, about venues). In any case, HackerDojo will most likely cease to exist at Ellis St in 5/2015. Tony's email was totally incorrect and offensive, I had multiple private conversationswith David A throughout 2015 about whether he wanted a new organizer, and I neverheard from him. I had a 4-hour conversation with David back around March 2015. As to contacting Meetup if this is an unapproved organizer change, it's quite standard:http://www.discussmeetup.com/forum/general-questions-how-tos-tips-tricks/lost-my-meetup-group-due-to-an-expired-credit-card/ Tony: as to what I've done for BayPIGgies:- I helped source corporate sponsorship for the 12/2015 SFPython Holiday Party, which Grace Law can confirm. I spent quite some time on that. - I did both previously speak at BayPIGgies and organize other past speakers [1].- In 4/2013 I sourced a large corporate venue (CloudCamp's premises) for post-PyContalk watching [2], totally free for 6+ hours, which was a BayPIGgies event Glen and Iplanned, but fell through. I tried to redo that for BayPIGgies in 2014, but CloudCamp had moved premises.- Since 2014, I have been volunteering with the committee of SF Bay ACM,for their Data Science Camp unconference, and helped run and source speakers forData Science Camp 2014 and 2015 [3] and am again helping organize Data Science Camp 2016.I am also organizing a seminar on Spark with Scala through ACM, probably March-April [4].- Also John Park and I led a couple of Kaggle Together data science classes at HackerDojo in 2014 [5]- Glen, Grace and the other organizations mentioned above can confirm that I did these things.Noone's thanked me for it. Tony, you owe me a major apology for that email you sent. I even phoned both you andGrace Law in the last couple days to try to figure out what was going on withBayPIGgies; I didn't even get a response from you to my voicemail. [1] https://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/2009-January/004253.html[2] http://www.meetup.com/silicon-valley-python/messages/51831412/[3] http://www.sfbayacm.org/event/silicon-valley-data-science-camp-2015[4] http://www.sfbayacm.org/calendar[5] http://events.hackerdojo.com/event/6716996662067200-kaggle-together Stephen Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 08:01:27 -0800 Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups From: bdbaddog at gmail.com To: spmcinerney at hotmail.com CC: martin at falatic.com; baypiggies at python.org I'm the baypiggies.net site admin. Did you want to put up a statement about the meetup not being associated?Perhaps we should reach out to meetup.com? -Bill On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 5:04 AM, Stephen wrote: I was about to post about this mystery too:- I guess all the Meetup organizers became inactive sometime December, and David A quietly stepped down without publicizing it, then the Meetup had no owner,and could be taken over by anyone.- Suresh V took over the Meetup group, charged a $20 fee per person per year, (which means he just made $600 off other people's community work, without permission), changed the Meetup name to "Bay Area Python 3.x Indulgence Group" (http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/), unilaterally changed the venue, dates etc. (Actually he initially tried to charge $5/person/month dues, which would have been $60/person/year, to all 300 members.)- I'm not sure he's even allowed to do that and probably he should give the BayPIGgies Meetup organizer position back (he's welcome to start his own totally separate for-profit Python Meetup, but not use the BayPIGgies name, and he should probably also refund all the $600 he obtained by using the BayPIGgies name without any permission)- does anyone have a contact for David A, the old organizer? I checked and I don't. I don't even know the spelling of his last name otherwise I'd have reached him in December. We need to redistribute his organizer duties in a coordinated way. (Thanks David for the hard work.)- meanwhile who are the owners of this BayPIGgies mailing-list and www.baypiggies.net site admin and domain name owner? Stephen > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 18:10:43 -0800 > From: martin at falatic.com > To: baypiggies at python.org > Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups > > So I recently got an email saying I needed to pay $20 to stay in the > BayPIGgies Meetup group. Figuring it's been good so far and not knowing > things had significantly changed I paid it. Now I see that every upcoming > Meetup has a fee attached to it as well (and they're no longer at LinkedIn > and they're on odd days of the week - e.g., Saturday). > > And since when did the acronym change? 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URL: From ndavenport at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 13:45:42 2016 From: ndavenport at gmail.com (Neil Davenport) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 10:45:42 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups In-Reply-To: References: <9818.24.7.60.89.1452651043.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> Message-ID: Hi to all, If there's interest in having a meetup back at LinkedIn, I'd be happy to be the point of contact on the LI side and try to investigate the logistics over here. When it comes to finding speakers or great talks, I'm next to useless as I still don't know that many people in the Bay Area. Always happy to partner with someone if they have those connections. Kind regards, Neil On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Stephen wrote: > Guys, > > Contrary to these comments, the BayPIGgies Meetup *is* very much associated > with BayPIGgies. 300 of us had been happily using it for event > notification, calendaring, > RSVP and ridesharing, since ~2010. > When Suresh took over that Meetup, he took over the Meetup URL > http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/ (which will generate lots of > confusion), > and also took over the member-list, 90% of whom have dropped off since. > > I believe we totally have the right to take back the BayPIGgies Meetup. > As I suggested, we simply need the previous owner to identify themselves, > show > Meetup the receipts, and state that it's our Meetup, and have an orderly > discussion > about venue and dues. > I believe that person was David A, I don't have his contact and I don't > have the receipts. > I privately tried to contact David A, Grace Law and Tony in the last 5 > days about this. > I also spoke to David A about it on several occasions in 2015, as far back > as 3/2015. > I don't have his phone, email or last name - who does? > > I suggest we ask Meetup to request Suresh to return the $600 member dues he > solicited by advertising it as "BayPIGgies Meetup", minus anything he > spent > on Meetup registration and HackerDojo room fees, although we had a free > location > at LinkedIn anyway. > Suresh is totally free to establish a new for-profit Meetup which does not > have > the URL http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/. > If there is actually a real problem with BayPIGgies losing LinkedIn as a > venue, > and needing a new venue, this is the first most of us have heard of it, > and > I'm happy to help find one (I previously spoke in 2015 with both LinkedIn > Data Science, > and H2O, about venues). In any case, HackerDojo will most likely cease to > exist at Ellis St in 5/2015. > > Tony's email was totally incorrect and offensive, I had multiple private > conversations > with David A throughout 2015 about whether he wanted a new organizer, and > I never > heard from him. I had a 4-hour conversation with David back around March > 2015. > > As to contacting Meetup if this is an unapproved organizer change, it's > quite standard: > > http://www.discussmeetup.com/forum/general-questions-how-tos-tips-tricks/lost-my-meetup-group-due-to-an-expired-credit-card/ > > Tony: as to what I've done for BayPIGgies: > - I helped source corporate sponsorship for the 12/2015 SFPython Holiday > Party, which > Grace Law can confirm. I spent quite some time on that. > - I did both previously speak at BayPIGgies and organize other past > speakers [1]. > - In 4/2013 I sourced a large corporate venue (CloudCamp's premises) for > post-PyCon > talk watching [2], totally free for 6+ hours, which was a BayPIGgies > event Glen and I > planned, but fell through. I tried to redo that for BayPIGgies in 2014, > but CloudCamp had moved premises. > - Since 2014, I have been volunteering with the committee of SF Bay ACM, > for their Data Science Camp unconference, and helped run and source > speakers for > Data Science Camp 2014 and 2015 [3] and am again helping organize Data > Science Camp 2016. > I am also organizing a seminar on Spark with Scala through ACM, probably > March-April [4]. > - Also John Park and I led a couple of Kaggle Together data science > classes at HackerDojo in 2014 [5] > - Glen, Grace and the other organizations mentioned above can confirm that > I did these things. > Noone's thanked me for it. > > Tony, you owe me a major apology for that email you sent. I even phoned > both you and > Grace Law in the last couple days to try to figure out what was going on > with > BayPIGgies; I didn't even get a response from you to my voicemail. > > [1] https://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/2009-January/004253.html > [2] http://www.meetup.com/silicon-valley-python/messages/51831412/ > [3] http://www.sfbayacm.org/event/silicon-valley-data-science-camp-2015 > [4] http://www.sfbayacm.org/calendar > [5] http://events.hackerdojo.com/event/6716996662067200-kaggle-together > > Stephen > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 08:01:27 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups > From: bdbaddog at gmail.com > To: spmcinerney at hotmail.com > CC: martin at falatic.com; baypiggies at python.org > > > I'm the baypiggies.net site admin. > > Did you want to put up a statement about the meetup not being associated? > Perhaps we should reach out to meetup.com? > > -Bill > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 5:04 AM, Stephen wrote: > > I was about to post about this mystery too: > - I guess all the Meetup organizers became inactive sometime December, > and David A quietly stepped down without publicizing it, then the Meetup > had no owner, > and could be taken over by anyone. > - Suresh V took over the Meetup group, charged a $20 fee per person per > year, (which means he just made $600 off other people's community work, > without permission), changed the Meetup name to "Bay Area Python 3.x > Indulgence Group" (http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/), unilaterally > changed the venue, dates etc. (Actually he initially tried to charge > $5/person/month dues, which would have been $60/person/year, to all > 300 members.) > - I'm not sure he's even allowed to do that and probably he should give > the BayPIGgies Meetup organizer position back (he's welcome to start his > own totally separate for-profit Python Meetup, but not use the BayPIGgies > name, and he should probably also refund all the $600 he obtained by > using the BayPIGgies name without any permission) > - does anyone have a contact for David A, the old organizer? I checked and > I don't. > I don't even know the spelling of his last name otherwise I'd have > reached him in December. > We need to redistribute his organizer duties in a coordinated way. > (Thanks David for the hard work.) > - meanwhile who are the owners of this BayPIGgies mailing-list and > www.baypiggies.net site admin > and domain name owner? > > Stephen > > > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 18:10:43 -0800 > > From: martin at falatic.com > > To: baypiggies at python.org > > Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups > > > > > So I recently got an email saying I needed to pay $20 to stay in the > > BayPIGgies Meetup group. Figuring it's been good so far and not knowing > > things had significantly changed I paid it. Now I see that every upcoming > > Meetup has a fee attached to it as well (and they're no longer at > LinkedIn > > and they're on odd days of the week - e.g., Saturday). > > > > And since when did the acronym change? 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URL: From cappy2112 at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 14:04:09 2016 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 11:04:09 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups In-Reply-To: <40917.24.7.60.89.1452703268.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> References: <9818.24.7.60.89.1452651043.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> <40917.24.7.60.89.1452703268.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> Message-ID: If the group gets revived, you can just disregard the Meetup site and refer to Baypiggies.net. On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:41 AM, Martin Falatic wrote: > That among other things is what made me start questioning what's going on > here. And it's not free, it's $5 a head now. > > http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/events/227481217/ > > - Marty > > > On Wed, January 13, 2016 08:32, Tony Cappellini wrote: > > FYI- Suresh hosted/organized the first (no-charge) Python meetup in 2016, > > at the Hacker Dojo in Mtn View on Jan 30th, at 4:30PM. The topic is > > "Using Python to Analyze Datacubes in Astronomy" > > > > > > If you want to talk with him about the recent changes with the Python > > Meetup group, you can find him there. > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Martin Falatic > > wrote: > > > > > >> So I recently got an email saying I needed to pay $20 to stay in the > >> BayPIGgies Meetup group. Figuring it's been good so far and not knowing > >> things had significantly changed I paid it. Now I see that every > >> upcoming Meetup has a fee attached to it as well (and they're no longer > >> at LinkedIn and they're on odd days of the week - e.g., Saturday). > >> > >> And since when did the acronym change? Is the Meetup group not related > >> to http://www.baypiggies.net/ and this mailing list now? > >> > >> > >> What's going on? > >> > >> > >> - Marty > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Baypiggies mailing list > >> Baypiggies at python.org > >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > >> > >> > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cappy2112 at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 14:06:55 2016 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 11:06:55 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups In-Reply-To: References: <9818.24.7.60.89.1452651043.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> Message-ID: Hi Neil, You don't need to know the person in order to vet them to give a presentation. I've done the majority of recruiting for presentations via email, LinkedIn or walking up to a person and simply asking. On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Neil Davenport wrote: > Hi to all, > > If there's interest in having a meetup back at LinkedIn, I'd be happy to > be the point of contact on the LI side and try to investigate the logistics > over here. > > When it comes to finding speakers or great talks, I'm next to useless as I > still don't know that many people in the Bay Area. Always happy to partner > with someone if they have those connections. > > Kind regards, > Neil > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Stephen wrote: > >> Guys, >> >> Contrary to these comments, the BayPIGgies Meetup *is* very much >> associated >> with BayPIGgies. 300 of us had been happily using it for event >> notification, calendaring, >> RSVP and ridesharing, since ~2010. >> When Suresh took over that Meetup, he took over the Meetup URL >> http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/ (which will generate lots of >> confusion), >> and also took over the member-list, 90% of whom have dropped off since. >> >> I believe we totally have the right to take back the BayPIGgies Meetup. >> As I suggested, we simply need the previous owner to identify themselves, >> show >> Meetup the receipts, and state that it's our Meetup, and have an orderly >> discussion >> about venue and dues. >> I believe that person was David A, I don't have his contact and I don't >> have the receipts. >> I privately tried to contact David A, Grace Law and Tony in the last 5 >> days about this. >> I also spoke to David A about it on several occasions in 2015, as far >> back as 3/2015. >> I don't have his phone, email or last name - who does? >> >> I suggest we ask Meetup to request Suresh to return the $600 member dues >> he >> solicited by advertising it as "BayPIGgies Meetup", minus anything he >> spent >> on Meetup registration and HackerDojo room fees, although we had a free >> location >> at LinkedIn anyway. >> Suresh is totally free to establish a new for-profit Meetup which does >> not have >> the URL http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/. >> If there is actually a real problem with BayPIGgies losing LinkedIn as a >> venue, >> and needing a new venue, this is the first most of us have heard of it, >> and >> I'm happy to help find one (I previously spoke in 2015 with both LinkedIn >> Data Science, >> and H2O, about venues). In any case, HackerDojo will most likely cease >> to exist at Ellis St in 5/2015. >> >> Tony's email was totally incorrect and offensive, I had multiple private >> conversations >> with David A throughout 2015 about whether he wanted a new organizer, >> and I never >> heard from him. I had a 4-hour conversation with David back around March >> 2015. >> >> As to contacting Meetup if this is an unapproved organizer change, it's >> quite standard: >> >> http://www.discussmeetup.com/forum/general-questions-how-tos-tips-tricks/lost-my-meetup-group-due-to-an-expired-credit-card/ >> >> Tony: as to what I've done for BayPIGgies: >> - I helped source corporate sponsorship for the 12/2015 SFPython Holiday >> Party, which >> Grace Law can confirm. I spent quite some time on that. >> - I did both previously speak at BayPIGgies and organize other past >> speakers [1]. >> - In 4/2013 I sourced a large corporate venue (CloudCamp's premises) for >> post-PyCon >> talk watching [2], totally free for 6+ hours, which was a BayPIGgies >> event Glen and I >> planned, but fell through. I tried to redo that for BayPIGgies in 2014, >> but CloudCamp had moved premises. >> - Since 2014, I have been volunteering with the committee of SF Bay ACM, >> for their Data Science Camp unconference, and helped run and source >> speakers for >> Data Science Camp 2014 and 2015 [3] and am again helping organize Data >> Science Camp 2016. >> I am also organizing a seminar on Spark with Scala through ACM, probably >> March-April [4]. >> - Also John Park and I led a couple of Kaggle Together data science >> classes at HackerDojo in 2014 [5] >> - Glen, Grace and the other organizations mentioned above can confirm >> that I did these things. >> Noone's thanked me for it. >> >> Tony, you owe me a major apology for that email you sent. I even phoned >> both you and >> Grace Law in the last couple days to try to figure out what was going on >> with >> BayPIGgies; I didn't even get a response from you to my voicemail. >> >> [1] https://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/2009-January/004253.html >> [2] http://www.meetup.com/silicon-valley-python/messages/51831412/ >> [3] http://www.sfbayacm.org/event/silicon-valley-data-science-camp-2015 >> [4] http://www.sfbayacm.org/calendar >> [5] http://events.hackerdojo.com/event/6716996662067200-kaggle-together >> >> Stephen >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 08:01:27 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups >> From: bdbaddog at gmail.com >> To: spmcinerney at hotmail.com >> CC: martin at falatic.com; baypiggies at python.org >> >> >> I'm the baypiggies.net site admin. >> >> Did you want to put up a statement about the meetup not being associated? >> Perhaps we should reach out to meetup.com? >> >> -Bill >> >> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 5:04 AM, Stephen wrote: >> >> I was about to post about this mystery too: >> - I guess all the Meetup organizers became inactive sometime December, >> and David A quietly stepped down without publicizing it, then the >> Meetup had no owner, >> and could be taken over by anyone. >> - Suresh V took over the Meetup group, charged a $20 fee per person per >> year, (which means he just made $600 off other people's community work, >> without permission), changed the Meetup name to "Bay Area Python 3.x >> Indulgence Group" (http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/), unilaterally >> changed the venue, dates etc. (Actually he initially tried to charge >> $5/person/month dues, which would have been $60/person/year, to all >> 300 members.) >> - I'm not sure he's even allowed to do that and probably he should give >> the BayPIGgies Meetup organizer position back (he's welcome to start his >> own totally separate for-profit Python Meetup, but not use the BayPIGgies >> name, and he should probably also refund all the $600 he obtained by >> using the BayPIGgies name without any permission) >> - does anyone have a contact for David A, the old organizer? I checked >> and I don't. >> I don't even know the spelling of his last name otherwise I'd have >> reached him in December. >> We need to redistribute his organizer duties in a coordinated way. >> (Thanks David for the hard work.) >> - meanwhile who are the owners of this BayPIGgies mailing-list and >> www.baypiggies.net site admin >> and domain name owner? >> >> Stephen >> >> > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 18:10:43 -0800 >> > From: martin at falatic.com >> > To: baypiggies at python.org >> > Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups >> >> > >> > So I recently got an email saying I needed to pay $20 to stay in the >> > BayPIGgies Meetup group. Figuring it's been good so far and not knowing >> > things had significantly changed I paid it. Now I see that every >> upcoming >> > Meetup has a fee attached to it as well (and they're no longer at >> LinkedIn >> > and they're on odd days of the week - e.g., Saturday). >> > >> > And since when did the acronym change? Is the Meetup group not related >> to >> > http://www.baypiggies.net/ and this mailing list now? >> > >> > What's going on? >> > >> > - Marty >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Baypiggies mailing list >> > Baypiggies at python.org >> > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin at falatic.com Wed Jan 13 11:41:08 2016 From: martin at falatic.com (Martin Falatic) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 08:41:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups In-Reply-To: References: <9818.24.7.60.89.1452651043.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> Message-ID: <40917.24.7.60.89.1452703268.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> That among other things is what made me start questioning what's going on here. And it's not free, it's $5 a head now. http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/events/227481217/ - Marty On Wed, January 13, 2016 08:32, Tony Cappellini wrote: > FYI- Suresh hosted/organized the first (no-charge) Python meetup in 2016, > at the Hacker Dojo in Mtn View on Jan 30th, at 4:30PM. The topic is > "Using Python to Analyze Datacubes in Astronomy" > > > If you want to talk with him about the recent changes with the Python > Meetup group, you can find him there. > > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Martin Falatic > wrote: > > >> So I recently got an email saying I needed to pay $20 to stay in the >> BayPIGgies Meetup group. Figuring it's been good so far and not knowing >> things had significantly changed I paid it. Now I see that every >> upcoming Meetup has a fee attached to it as well (and they're no longer >> at LinkedIn and they're on odd days of the week - e.g., Saturday). >> >> And since when did the acronym change? Is the Meetup group not related >> to http://www.baypiggies.net/ and this mailing list now? >> >> >> What's going on? >> >> >> - Marty >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> >> > From dinaldo at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 14:18:17 2016 From: dinaldo at gmail.com (Don Sheu) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 11:18:17 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups In-Reply-To: References: <9818.24.7.60.89.1452651043.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> <40917.24.7.60.89.1452703268.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> Message-ID: My group in Seattle's grown a lot faster when we use Meetup. As I mentioned before, if the community's confused because of the Meetup instance there's an trademark issue at stake. It maybe something the PSF can help with. ? On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Tony Cappellini wrote: > If the group gets revived, you can just disregard the Meetup site and > refer to Baypiggies.net. > > > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:41 AM, Martin Falatic > wrote: > >> That among other things is what made me start questioning what's going on >> here. And it's not free, it's $5 a head now. >> >> http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/events/227481217/ >> >> - Marty >> >> >> On Wed, January 13, 2016 08:32, Tony Cappellini wrote: >> > FYI- Suresh hosted/organized the first (no-charge) Python meetup in >> 2016, >> > at the Hacker Dojo in Mtn View on Jan 30th, at 4:30PM. The topic is >> > "Using Python to Analyze Datacubes in Astronomy" >> > >> > >> > If you want to talk with him about the recent changes with the Python >> > Meetup group, you can find him there. >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Martin Falatic >> > wrote: >> > >> > >> >> So I recently got an email saying I needed to pay $20 to stay in the >> >> BayPIGgies Meetup group. Figuring it's been good so far and not knowing >> >> things had significantly changed I paid it. Now I see that every >> >> upcoming Meetup has a fee attached to it as well (and they're no longer >> >> at LinkedIn and they're on odd days of the week - e.g., Saturday). >> >> >> >> And since when did the acronym change? Is the Meetup group not related >> >> to http://www.baypiggies.net/ and this mailing list now? >> >> >> >> >> >> What's going on? >> >> >> >> >> >> - Marty >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Baypiggies mailing list >> >> Baypiggies at python.org >> >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Don Sheu 312.880.9389 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - RSVP for my Python user group, meeting 1/13/2016 Zillow *http://www.meetup.com/PSPPython/events/227337808/ * *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*: *The information contained in this message may be protected trade secrets or protected by applicable intellectual property laws of the United States and International agreements. 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Perhaps we can help sourcing speakers too - we have a 3 person committee sourcing talks now but its mostly Grace Law who knows everybody :) On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Don Sheu wrote: > My group in Seattle's grown a lot faster when we use Meetup. > > As I mentioned before, if the community's confused because of the Meetup > instance there's an trademark issue at stake. It maybe something the PSF > can help with. > ? > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Tony Cappellini > wrote: > >> If the group gets revived, you can just disregard the Meetup site and >> refer to Baypiggies.net. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:41 AM, Martin Falatic >> wrote: >> >>> That among other things is what made me start questioning what's going on >>> here. And it's not free, it's $5 a head now. >>> >>> http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/events/227481217/ >>> >>> - Marty >>> >>> >>> On Wed, January 13, 2016 08:32, Tony Cappellini wrote: >>> > FYI- Suresh hosted/organized the first (no-charge) Python meetup in >>> 2016, >>> > at the Hacker Dojo in Mtn View on Jan 30th, at 4:30PM. The topic is >>> > "Using Python to Analyze Datacubes in Astronomy" >>> > >>> > >>> > If you want to talk with him about the recent changes with the Python >>> > Meetup group, you can find him there. >>> > >>> > >>> > On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Martin Falatic >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> >> So I recently got an email saying I needed to pay $20 to stay in the >>> >> BayPIGgies Meetup group. Figuring it's been good so far and not >>> knowing >>> >> things had significantly changed I paid it. Now I see that every >>> >> upcoming Meetup has a fee attached to it as well (and they're no >>> longer >>> >> at LinkedIn and they're on odd days of the week - e.g., Saturday). >>> >> >>> >> And since when did the acronym change? Is the Meetup group not related >>> >> to http://www.baypiggies.net/ and this mailing list now? >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> What's going on? >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> - Marty >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Baypiggies mailing list >>> >> Baypiggies at python.org >>> >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >>> >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > > > > -- > Don Sheu > 312.880.9389 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > RSVP for my Python user group, meeting 1/13/2016 Zillow > *http://www.meetup.com/PSPPython/events/227337808/ > * > > > *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*: *The information contained in this message may > be protected trade secrets or protected by applicable intellectual property > laws of the United States and International agreements. 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URL: From martin at falatic.com Wed Jan 13 15:05:08 2016 From: martin at falatic.com (Martin Falatic) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:05:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups In-Reply-To: References: <9818.24.7.60.89.1452651043.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> <40917.24.7.60.89.1452703268.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> Message-ID: <49425.24.7.60.89.1452715508.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> My goal in starting this thread was to get some clarity on what happened to the SV/BayPIGgies meetup I enjoyed attending many a good talk at. Since moving to SF I spend more time at the meetups here (with deep gratitude to everyone involved in making the SF meetups a success!) but SV is where I started going to Python meetups and given the notoriously long drive between the South Bay and SF it serves the community well to have meetups in SF as well as the South Bay. That said, as it is right now the current owner of the BayPIGgies Meetup group is diluting the BayPIGgies brand and that has the effect of dividing our community. That's not fair to Pythonistas (and proto-Pythonistas) here - particularly those the South Bay - who are put off by the unwelcome changes, not to mention the bulk of us who were unaware this happened at all given the timing of it. It's one thing to help out, but quite another to usurp a group and rebrand it as your own. - Marty On Wed, January 13, 2016 11:31, Simeon Franklin wrote: > +1 to this. IANAL so no idea as to whether there are legal grounds to > complain. But the meetup has no connection to the user group which has > been operating as BayPiggies since 2005 - it certainly doesn't seem right. > > > If SF Python Meetup can do anything to get the word out I'm happy to help > any way I can. Perhaps we can help sourcing speakers too - we have a 3 > person committee sourcing talks now but its mostly Grace Law who knows > everybody :) > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Don Sheu wrote: > > >> My group in Seattle's grown a lot faster when we use Meetup. >> >> >> As I mentioned before, if the community's confused because of the >> Meetup >> instance there's an trademark issue at stake. It maybe something the PSF >> can help with. ??? >> >> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Tony Cappellini >> wrote: >> >> >>> If the group gets revived, you can just disregard the Meetup site and >>> refer to Baypiggies.net. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:41 AM, Martin Falatic >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> That among other things is what made me start questioning what's >>>> going on here. And it's not free, it's $5 a head now. >>>> >>>> http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/events/227481217/ >>>> >>>> >>>> - Marty >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, January 13, 2016 08:32, Tony Cappellini wrote: >>>> >>>>> FYI- Suresh hosted/organized the first (no-charge) Python meetup >>>>> in >>>> 2016, >>>> >>>>> at the Hacker Dojo in Mtn View on Jan 30th, at 4:30PM. The topic >>>>> is "Using Python to Analyze Datacubes in Astronomy" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you want to talk with him about the recent changes with the >>>>> Python >>>>> Meetup group, you can find him there. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Martin Falatic >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> So I recently got an email saying I needed to pay $20 to stay >>>>>> in the BayPIGgies Meetup group. Figuring it's been good so far >>>>>> and not >>>> knowing >>>>>> things had significantly changed I paid it. Now I see that >>>>>> every upcoming Meetup has a fee attached to it as well (and >>>>>> they're no >>>> longer >>>>>> at LinkedIn and they're on odd days of the week - e.g., >>>>>> Saturday). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> And since when did the acronym change? Is the Meetup group not >>>>>> related to http://www.baypiggies.net/ and this mailing list now? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What's going on? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> - Marty >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Baypiggies mailing list >>>>>> Baypiggies at python.org >>>>>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >>>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Baypiggies mailing list >>> Baypiggies at python.org >>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Don Sheu >> 312.880.9389 >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> >> >> RSVP for my Python user group, meeting 1/13/2016 Zillow >> *http://www.meetup.com/PSPPython/events/227337808/ >> * >> >> >> >> *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*: *The information contained in this message >> may be protected trade secrets or protected by applicable intellectual >> property laws of the United States and International agreements. If you >> believe that it has been sent to you in error, do not read it. Please >> immediately reply to the sender that you have received the message in >> error. Then delete it. Thank you.* >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies From dinaldo at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 16:07:38 2016 From: dinaldo at gmail.com (Don Sheu) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:07:38 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups In-Reply-To: <49425.24.7.60.89.1452715508.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> References: <9818.24.7.60.89.1452651043.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> <40917.24.7.60.89.1452703268.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> <49425.24.7.60.89.1452715508.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> Message-ID: Hey Martin and Simeon, I'll shoot an email to Ewa Jodlowska and ask for her thoughts on the trademark. Tonight, PuPPy member Joel Stanner is streaming our meeting featuring PyCon chair Brandon Rhodes. If you're not making it to SF Python's meeting tonight, consider joining us on our live stream, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bghG7zz8G2I ? On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Martin Falatic wrote: > My goal in starting this thread was to get some clarity on what happened > to the SV/BayPIGgies meetup I enjoyed attending many a good talk at. Since > moving to SF I spend more time at the meetups here (with deep gratitude to > everyone involved in making the SF meetups a success!) but SV is where I > started going to Python meetups and given the notoriously long drive > between the South Bay and SF it serves the community well to have meetups > in SF as well as the South Bay. > > That said, as it is right now the current owner of the BayPIGgies Meetup > group is diluting the BayPIGgies brand and that has the effect of dividing > our community. That's not fair to Pythonistas (and proto-Pythonistas) here > - particularly those the South Bay - who are put off by the unwelcome > changes, not to mention the bulk of us who were unaware this happened at > all given the timing of it. It's one thing to help out, but quite another > to usurp a group and rebrand it as your own. > > - Marty > > > > > On Wed, January 13, 2016 11:31, Simeon Franklin wrote: > > +1 to this. IANAL so no idea as to whether there are legal grounds to > > complain. But the meetup has no connection to the user group which has > > been operating as BayPiggies since 2005 - it certainly doesn't seem > right. > > > > > > If SF Python Meetup can do anything to get the word out I'm happy to help > > any way I can. Perhaps we can help sourcing speakers too - we have a 3 > > person committee sourcing talks now but its mostly Grace Law who knows > > everybody :) > > > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Don Sheu wrote: > > > > > >> My group in Seattle's grown a lot faster when we use Meetup. > >> > >> > >> As I mentioned before, if the community's confused because of the > >> Meetup > >> instance there's an trademark issue at stake. It maybe something the PSF > >> can help with. ? ? > >> > >> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Tony Cappellini > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >>> If the group gets revived, you can just disregard the Meetup site and > >>> refer to Baypiggies.net. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:41 AM, Martin Falatic > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> That among other things is what made me start questioning what's > >>>> going on here. And it's not free, it's $5 a head now. > >>>> > >>>> http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/events/227481217/ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> - Marty > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, January 13, 2016 08:32, Tony Cappellini wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> FYI- Suresh hosted/organized the first (no-charge) Python meetup > >>>>> in > >>>> 2016, > >>>> > >>>>> at the Hacker Dojo in Mtn View on Jan 30th, at 4:30PM. The topic > >>>>> is "Using Python to Analyze Datacubes in Astronomy" > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> If you want to talk with him about the recent changes with the > >>>>> Python > >>>>> Meetup group, you can find him there. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Martin Falatic > >>>>> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> So I recently got an email saying I needed to pay $20 to stay > >>>>>> in the BayPIGgies Meetup group. Figuring it's been good so far > >>>>>> and not > >>>> knowing > >>>>>> things had significantly changed I paid it. Now I see that > >>>>>> every upcoming Meetup has a fee attached to it as well (and > >>>>>> they're no > >>>> longer > >>>>>> at LinkedIn and they're on odd days of the week - e.g., > >>>>>> Saturday). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> And since when did the acronym change? Is the Meetup group not > >>>>>> related to http://www.baypiggies.net/ and this mailing list now? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What's going on? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - Marty > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Baypiggies mailing list > >>>>>> Baypiggies at python.org > >>>>>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > >>>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Baypiggies mailing list > >>> Baypiggies at python.org > >>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Don Sheu > >> 312.880.9389 > >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >> > >> > >> RSVP for my Python user group, meeting 1/13/2016 Zillow > >> *http://www.meetup.com/PSPPython/events/227337808/ > >> * > >> > >> > >> > >> *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*: *The information contained in this message > >> may be protected trade secrets or protected by applicable intellectual > >> property laws of the United States and International agreements. If you > >> believe that it has been sent to you in error, do not read it. Please > >> immediately reply to the sender that you have received the message in > >> error. Then delete it. Thank you.* > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Baypiggies mailing list > >> Baypiggies at python.org > >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Don Sheu 312.880.9389 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - RSVP for my Python user group, meeting 1/13/2016 Zillow *http://www.meetup.com/PSPPython/events/227337808/ * *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*: *The information contained in this message may be protected trade secrets or protected by applicable intellectual property laws of the United States and International agreements. 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Please respond +1, -1 If the preponderance of answers is +1, I'll add the above statement to the baypiggies.net website. Thanks, Bill baypiggies.net site administrator On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Don Sheu wrote: > Hey Martin and Simeon, I'll shoot an email to Ewa Jodlowska and ask for > her thoughts on the trademark. > > Tonight, PuPPy member Joel Stanner is streaming our meeting featuring > PyCon chair Brandon Rhodes. > > If you're not making it to SF Python's meeting tonight, consider joining > us on our live stream, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bghG7zz8G2I > ? > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Martin Falatic > wrote: > >> My goal in starting this thread was to get some clarity on what happened >> to the SV/BayPIGgies meetup I enjoyed attending many a good talk at. Since >> moving to SF I spend more time at the meetups here (with deep gratitude to >> everyone involved in making the SF meetups a success!) but SV is where I >> started going to Python meetups and given the notoriously long drive >> between the South Bay and SF it serves the community well to have meetups >> in SF as well as the South Bay. >> >> That said, as it is right now the current owner of the BayPIGgies Meetup >> group is diluting the BayPIGgies brand and that has the effect of dividing >> our community. That's not fair to Pythonistas (and proto-Pythonistas) here >> - particularly those the South Bay - who are put off by the unwelcome >> changes, not to mention the bulk of us who were unaware this happened at >> all given the timing of it. It's one thing to help out, but quite another >> to usurp a group and rebrand it as your own. >> >> - Marty >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, January 13, 2016 11:31, Simeon Franklin wrote: >> > +1 to this. IANAL so no idea as to whether there are legal grounds to >> > complain. But the meetup has no connection to the user group which has >> > been operating as BayPiggies since 2005 - it certainly doesn't seem >> right. >> > >> > >> > If SF Python Meetup can do anything to get the word out I'm happy to >> help >> > any way I can. Perhaps we can help sourcing speakers too - we have a 3 >> > person committee sourcing talks now but its mostly Grace Law who knows >> > everybody :) >> > >> > On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Don Sheu wrote: >> > >> > >> >> My group in Seattle's grown a lot faster when we use Meetup. >> >> >> >> >> >> As I mentioned before, if the community's confused because of the >> >> Meetup >> >> instance there's an trademark issue at stake. It maybe something the >> PSF >> >> can help with. ? ? >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Tony Cappellini > > >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> If the group gets revived, you can just disregard the Meetup site and >> >>> refer to Baypiggies.net. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:41 AM, Martin Falatic >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> That among other things is what made me start questioning what's >> >>>> going on here. And it's not free, it's $5 a head now. >> >>>> >> >>>> http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/events/227481217/ >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> - Marty >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Wed, January 13, 2016 08:32, Tony Cappellini wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> FYI- Suresh hosted/organized the first (no-charge) Python meetup >> >>>>> in >> >>>> 2016, >> >>>> >> >>>>> at the Hacker Dojo in Mtn View on Jan 30th, at 4:30PM. The topic >> >>>>> is "Using Python to Analyze Datacubes in Astronomy" >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> If you want to talk with him about the recent changes with the >> >>>>> Python >> >>>>> Meetup group, you can find him there. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Martin Falatic >> >>>>> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> So I recently got an email saying I needed to pay $20 to stay >> >>>>>> in the BayPIGgies Meetup group. Figuring it's been good so far >> >>>>>> and not >> >>>> knowing >> >>>>>> things had significantly changed I paid it. Now I see that >> >>>>>> every upcoming Meetup has a fee attached to it as well (and >> >>>>>> they're no >> >>>> longer >> >>>>>> at LinkedIn and they're on odd days of the week - e.g., >> >>>>>> Saturday). >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> And since when did the acronym change? Is the Meetup group not >> >>>>>> related to http://www.baypiggies.net/ and this mailing list now? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> What's going on? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> - Marty >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> Baypiggies mailing list >> >>>>>> Baypiggies at python.org >> >>>>>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> >>>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Baypiggies mailing list >> >>> Baypiggies at python.org >> >>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Don Sheu >> >> 312.880.9389 >> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> >> >> >> >> >> RSVP for my Python user group, meeting 1/13/2016 Zillow >> >> *http://www.meetup.com/PSPPython/events/227337808/ >> >> * >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*: *The information contained in this message >> >> may be protected trade secrets or protected by applicable intellectual >> >> property laws of the United States and International agreements. 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Thanks,Billbaypiggies.net site administrator On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Don Sheu wrote: Hey Martin and Simeon, I'll shoot an email to Ewa Jodlowska and ask for her thoughts on the trademark.? Tonight, PuPPy member Joel Stanner is streaming our meeting featuring PyCon chair Brandon Rhodes.? If you're not making it to SF Python's meeting tonight, consider joining us on our live stream,?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bghG7zz8G2I? On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Martin Falatic wrote: My goal in starting this thread was to get some clarity on what happened to the SV/BayPIGgies meetup I enjoyed attending many a good talk at. Since moving to SF I spend more time at the meetups here (with deep gratitude to everyone involved in making the SF meetups a success!) but SV is where I started going to Python meetups and given the notoriously long drive between the South Bay and SF it serves the community well to have meetups in SF as well as the South Bay. That said, as it is right now the current owner of the BayPIGgies Meetup group is diluting the BayPIGgies brand and that has the effect of dividing our community. That's not fair to Pythonistas (and proto-Pythonistas) here - particularly those the South Bay - who are put off by the unwelcome changes, not to mention the bulk of us who were unaware this happened at all given the timing of it. It's one thing to help out, but quite another to usurp a group and rebrand it as your own. ?- Marty On Wed, January 13, 2016 11:31, Simeon Franklin wrote: > +1 to this. IANAL so no idea as to whether there are legal grounds to > complain. But the meetup has no connection to the user group which has > been operating as BayPiggies since 2005 - it certainly doesn't seem right. > > > If SF Python Meetup can do anything to get the word out I'm happy to help >? any way I can. Perhaps we can help sourcing speakers too - we have a 3 > person committee sourcing talks now but its mostly Grace Law who knows > everybody :) > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Don Sheu wrote: > > >> My group in Seattle's grown a lot faster when we use Meetup. >> >> >> As I mentioned before, if the community's confused because of the >> Meetup >> instance there's an trademark issue at stake. It maybe something the PSF >>? can help with. ? ? >> >> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Tony Cappellini >>? wrote: >> >> >>> If the group gets revived, you can just disregard the Meetup site and >>>? refer to Baypiggies.net. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:41 AM, Martin Falatic >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> That among other things is what made me start questioning what's >>>> going on here. And it's not free, it's $5 a head now. >>>> >>>> http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/events/227481217/ >>>> >>>> >>>> - Marty >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, January 13, 2016 08:32, Tony Cappellini wrote: >>>> >>>>> FYI- Suresh hosted/organized the first (no-charge) Python meetup >>>>> in >>>> 2016, >>>> >>>>> at the Hacker Dojo in Mtn View on Jan 30th, at 4:30PM. The topic >>>>> is "Using Python to Analyze Datacubes in Astronomy" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you want to talk with him about the recent changes with the >>>>> Python >>>>> Meetup group, you can find him there. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Martin Falatic >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> So I recently got an email saying I needed to pay $20 to stay >>>>>> in the BayPIGgies Meetup group. Figuring it's been good so far >>>>>> and not >>>> knowing >>>>>> things had significantly changed I paid it. Now I see that >>>>>> every upcoming Meetup has a fee attached to it as well (and >>>>>> they're no >>>> longer >>>>>> at LinkedIn and they're on odd days of the week - e.g., >>>>>> Saturday). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> And since when did the acronym change? Is the Meetup group not >>>>>> related to http://www.baypiggies.net/ and this mailing list now? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What's going on? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> - Marty >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Baypiggies mailing list >>>>>> Baypiggies at python.org >>>>>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >>>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Baypiggies mailing list >>> Baypiggies at python.org >>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Don Sheu >> 312.880.9389 >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> >> >> RSVP for my Python user group, meeting 1/13/2016 Zillow >> *http://www.meetup.com/PSPPython/events/227337808/ >> * >> >> >> >> *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*: *The information contained in this message >> may be protected trade secrets or protected by applicable intellectual >> property laws of the United States and International agreements. 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Since > moving to SF I spend more time at the meetups here (with deep gratitude to > everyone involved in making the SF meetups a success!) but SV is where I > started going to Python meetups and given the notoriously long drive > between the South Bay and SF it serves the community well to have meetups > in SF as well as the South Bay. > > That said, as it is right now the current owner of the BayPIGgies Meetup > group is diluting the BayPIGgies brand and that has the effect of dividing > our community. That's not fair to Pythonistas (and proto-Pythonistas) here > - particularly those the South Bay - who are put off by the unwelcome > changes, not to mention the bulk of us who were unaware this happened at > all given the timing of it. It's one thing to help out, but quite another > to usurp a group and rebrand it as your own. > > - Marty > > > > > On Wed, January 13, 2016 11:31, Simeon Franklin wrote: > > +1 to this. IANAL so no idea as to whether there are legal grounds to > > complain. But the meetup has no connection to the user group which has > > been operating as BayPiggies since 2005 - it certainly doesn't seem > right. > > > > > > If SF Python Meetup can do anything to get the word out I'm happy to help > > any way I can. Perhaps we can help sourcing speakers too - we have a 3 > > person committee sourcing talks now but its mostly Grace Law who knows > > everybody :) > > > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Don Sheu wrote: > > > > > >> My group in Seattle's grown a lot faster when we use Meetup. > >> > >> > >> As I mentioned before, if the community's confused because of the > >> Meetup > >> instance there's an trademark issue at stake. It maybe something the PSF > >> can help with. ? ? > >> > >> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Tony Cappellini > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >>> If the group gets revived, you can just disregard the Meetup site and > >>> refer to Baypiggies.net. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:41 AM, Martin Falatic > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> That among other things is what made me start questioning what's > >>>> going on here. And it's not free, it's $5 a head now. > >>>> > >>>> http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/events/227481217/ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> - Marty > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, January 13, 2016 08:32, Tony Cappellini wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> FYI- Suresh hosted/organized the first (no-charge) Python meetup > >>>>> in > >>>> 2016, > >>>> > >>>>> at the Hacker Dojo in Mtn View on Jan 30th, at 4:30PM. The topic > >>>>> is "Using Python to Analyze Datacubes in Astronomy" > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> If you want to talk with him about the recent changes with the > >>>>> Python > >>>>> Meetup group, you can find him there. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Martin Falatic > >>>>> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> So I recently got an email saying I needed to pay $20 to stay > >>>>>> in the BayPIGgies Meetup group. Figuring it's been good so far > >>>>>> and not > >>>> knowing > >>>>>> things had significantly changed I paid it. Now I see that > >>>>>> every upcoming Meetup has a fee attached to it as well (and > >>>>>> they're no > >>>> longer > >>>>>> at LinkedIn and they're on odd days of the week - e.g., > >>>>>> Saturday). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> And since when did the acronym change? Is the Meetup group not > >>>>>> related to http://www.baypiggies.net/ and this mailing list now? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What's going on? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - Marty > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Baypiggies mailing list > >>>>>> Baypiggies at python.org > >>>>>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > >>>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Baypiggies mailing list > >>> Baypiggies at python.org > >>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Don Sheu > >> 312.880.9389 > >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > >> > >> > >> RSVP for my Python user group, meeting 1/13/2016 Zillow > >> *http://www.meetup.com/PSPPython/events/227337808/ > >> * > >> > >> > >> > >> *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*: *The information contained in this message > >> may be protected trade secrets or protected by applicable intellectual > >> property laws of the United States and International agreements. 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URL: From jjinux at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 22:51:14 2016 From: jjinux at gmail.com (Shannon -jj Behrens) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 03:51:14 +0000 Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups In-Reply-To: References: <1580372427.3817975.1452723156513.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: +1 On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:24 PM Mahmoud Hashemi wrote: > +1 > > Mahmoud > https://github.com/mahmoud > https://twitter.com/mhashemi > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 2:12 PM, readysky2-apple--- via Baypiggies < > baypiggies at python.org> wrote: > >> +1 >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* William Deegan >> *To:* >> *Cc:* BayPiggies >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 13, 2016 1:12 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups >> >> All, >> >> Sounds like the position of the baypiggies membership is the current >> meetup of the same name is being run by someone with no authority from the >> baypiggies community? >> (http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/) >> Is that a safe statement? >> Please respond +1, -1 >> >> If the preponderance of answers is +1, I'll add the above statement to >> the baypiggies.net website. >> >> Thanks, >> Bill >> baypiggies.net site administrator >> >> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:07 PM, Don Sheu wrote: >> >> Hey Martin and Simeon, I'll shoot an email to Ewa Jodlowska and ask for >> her thoughts on the trademark. >> >> Tonight, PuPPy member Joel Stanner is streaming our meeting featuring >> PyCon chair Brandon Rhodes. >> >> If you're not making it to SF Python's meeting tonight, consider joining >> us on our live stream, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bghG7zz8G2I >> ? >> >> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Martin Falatic >> wrote: >> >> My goal in starting this thread was to get some clarity on what happened >> to the SV/BayPIGgies meetup I enjoyed attending many a good talk at. Since >> moving to SF I spend more time at the meetups here (with deep gratitude to >> everyone involved in making the SF meetups a success!) but SV is where I >> started going to Python meetups and given the notoriously long drive >> between the South Bay and SF it serves the community well to have meetups >> in SF as well as the South Bay. >> >> That said, as it is right now the current owner of the BayPIGgies Meetup >> group is diluting the BayPIGgies brand and that has the effect of dividing >> our community. That's not fair to Pythonistas (and proto-Pythonistas) here >> - particularly those the South Bay - who are put off by the unwelcome >> changes, not to mention the bulk of us who were unaware this happened at >> all given the timing of it. It's one thing to help out, but quite another >> to usurp a group and rebrand it as your own. >> >> - Marty >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, January 13, 2016 11:31, Simeon Franklin wrote: >> > +1 to this. IANAL so no idea as to whether there are legal grounds to >> > complain. But the meetup has no connection to the user group which has >> > been operating as BayPiggies since 2005 - it certainly doesn't seem >> right. >> > >> > >> > If SF Python Meetup can do anything to get the word out I'm happy to >> help >> > any way I can. Perhaps we can help sourcing speakers too - we have a 3 >> > person committee sourcing talks now but its mostly Grace Law who knows >> > everybody :) >> > >> > On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:18 AM, Don Sheu wrote: >> > >> > >> >> My group in Seattle's grown a lot faster when we use Meetup. >> >> >> >> >> >> As I mentioned before, if the community's confused because of the >> >> Meetup >> >> instance there's an trademark issue at stake. It maybe something the >> PSF >> >> can help with. ? ? >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:04 AM, Tony Cappellini > > >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> If the group gets revived, you can just disregard the Meetup site and >> >>> refer to Baypiggies.net. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:41 AM, Martin Falatic >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> That among other things is what made me start questioning what's >> >>>> going on here. And it's not free, it's $5 a head now. >> >>>> >> >>>> http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/events/227481217/ >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> - Marty >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Wed, January 13, 2016 08:32, Tony Cappellini wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> FYI- Suresh hosted/organized the first (no-charge) Python meetup >> >>>>> in >> >>>> 2016, >> >>>> >> >>>>> at the Hacker Dojo in Mtn View on Jan 30th, at 4:30PM. The topic >> >>>>> is "Using Python to Analyze Datacubes in Astronomy" >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> If you want to talk with him about the recent changes with the >> >>>>> Python >> >>>>> Meetup group, you can find him there. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 6:10 PM, Martin Falatic >> >>>>> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> So I recently got an email saying I needed to pay $20 to stay >> >>>>>> in the BayPIGgies Meetup group. Figuring it's been good so far >> >>>>>> and not >> >>>> knowing >> >>>>>> things had significantly changed I paid it. Now I see that >> >>>>>> every upcoming Meetup has a fee attached to it as well (and >> >>>>>> they're no >> >>>> longer >> >>>>>> at LinkedIn and they're on odd days of the week - e.g., >> >>>>>> Saturday). >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> And since when did the acronym change? Is the Meetup group not >> >>>>>> related to http://www.baypiggies.net/ and this mailing list now? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> What's going on? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> - Marty >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> Baypiggies mailing list >> >>>>>> Baypiggies at python.org >> >>>>>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> >>>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Baypiggies mailing list >> >>> Baypiggies at python.org >> >>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Don Sheu >> >> 312.880.9389 >> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> >> >> >> >> >> RSVP for my Python user group, meeting 1/13/2016 Zillow >> >> *http://www.meetup.com/PSPPython/events/227337808/ >> >> * >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*: *The information contained in this message >> >> may be protected trade secrets or protected by applicable intellectual >> >> property laws of the United States and International agreements. 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URL: From glen at glenjarvis.com Wed Jan 13 22:31:39 2016 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 19:31:39 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups In-Reply-To: <20160113141505.GB29851@panix.com> References: <9818.24.7.60.89.1452651043.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> <20160113141505.GB29851@panix.com> Message-ID: <823ABF11-C289-4F51-823D-DF95CD5B25F7@glenjarvis.com> > AFAIK, the Meetup group never was formally associated with baypiggies.net > nor this mailing list That is correct. Forgive me if this is already addressed. I am reading this thread FIFO. I have a MeetUp group called Silicon Valley Python MeetUp. I was also helping BayPIGgies. So, I began cross posting the events. It was a great success - we were able to really get a lot of new faces. However, over time, people began thinking the MeetUp was the same as BayPIGgies. And, people started wanting access. The Silicon Valley Python MeetUp is paid for by my business. So, to make things easier, I personally made a new MeetUp specifically for BayPIGgies and paid/donated the MeetUp fees for first 6 months. I handed this over to the group. And, I believe there was discussion on getting the fees paid for by the Python Software Foundation. The MeetUp page is just an advertising tool. BayPIGgies is one of the oldest Python Groups. It has its own culture and personality and community. It was my first introduction to the Python community. It would be a shame to lose any of that. > Cheers, Glen From davidoff56 at alluvialsw.com Wed Jan 13 22:54:54 2016 From: davidoff56 at alluvialsw.com (Monte Davidoff) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 19:54:54 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups In-Reply-To: References: <9818.24.7.60.89.1452651043.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> <40917.24.7.60.89.1452703268.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> <49425.24.7.60.89.1452715508.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> Message-ID: <56971C0E.4090100@alluvialsw.com> +1 On 1/13/16 1:12 PM, William Deegan wrote: > Sounds like the position of the baypiggies membership is the current > meetup of the same name is being run by someone with no authority from > the baypiggies community? > (http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/) > Is that a safe statement? > Please respond +1, -1 > > If the preponderance of answers is +1, I'll add the above statement to > the baypiggies.net website. > > Thanks, > Bill > baypiggies.net site administrator -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From akleider at sonic.net Wed Jan 13 23:27:08 2016 From: akleider at sonic.net (Alex Kleider) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 20:27:08 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups In-Reply-To: References: <9818.24.7.60.89.1452651043.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> <40917.24.7.60.89.1452703268.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> <49425.24.7.60.89.1452715508.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> Message-ID: <2ae785cedb362988877e6c57cc97727d@sonic.net> On 2016-01-13 13:12, William Deegan wrote: > All, > > Sounds like the position of the baypiggies membership is the current > meetup > of the same name is being run by someone with no authority from the > baypiggies community? > (http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/) > Is that a safe statement? > Please respond +1, -1 +1 > > If the preponderance of answers is +1, I'll add the above statement to > the > baypiggies.net website. > > Thanks, > Bill > baypiggies.net site administrator From bdbaddog at gmail.com Wed Jan 13 23:44:11 2016 From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 20:44:11 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups In-Reply-To: <823ABF11-C289-4F51-823D-DF95CD5B25F7@glenjarvis.com> References: <9818.24.7.60.89.1452651043.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> <20160113141505.GB29851@panix.com> <823ABF11-C289-4F51-823D-DF95CD5B25F7@glenjarvis.com> Message-ID: Glen, So what was the "chain of custody" for baypiggies meetup? You -> Suresh? Or was there an intermediary? Be good to have all the facts before approaching meetup.com and/or Suresh and asking for the meetup back. -Bill On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 7:31 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote: > > > > AFAIK, the Meetup group never was formally associated with > baypiggies.net > > nor this mailing list > > That is correct. > > Forgive me if this is already addressed. I am reading this thread FIFO. > > I have a MeetUp group called Silicon Valley Python MeetUp. I was also > helping BayPIGgies. So, I began cross posting the events. It was a great > success - we were able to really get a lot of new faces. > > However, over time, people began thinking the MeetUp was the same as > BayPIGgies. And, people started wanting access. The Silicon Valley Python > MeetUp is paid for by my business. > > So, to make things easier, I personally made a new MeetUp specifically for > BayPIGgies and paid/donated the MeetUp fees for first 6 months. I handed > this over to the group. And, I believe there was discussion on getting the > fees paid for by the Python Software Foundation. > > The MeetUp page is just an advertising tool. BayPIGgies is one of the > oldest Python Groups. It has its own culture and personality and community. > It was my first introduction to the Python community. It would be a shame > to lose any of that. > > > > Cheers, > > > Glen > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glen at glenjarvis.com Wed Jan 13 23:47:41 2016 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 20:47:41 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Proposal: 2016 BayPIGgies Reboot: 28-Jan Message-ID: tl;dnr: * Please +/- 1 if I can take initiative to make 28-Jan happen. * We need space -- I can wing everything else but not space ============== There has been a recent conversation with subject "[Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups." This new conversation continues from that thread. We have traditionally met on the fourth Thursday of every month except for November and December because of the holidays. We did not meet on the holidays for November and December this year. So, we really haven't missed anything. As long as we meet on 28-Jan, we're the same group that we've always been. We only have one hurdle to get past -- the place to meet. If we can get someone to speak, that would also be good. If we can't, well I have a few talks that I could give. All of my talks lately that involve Python have been about Ansible. I'm supposed to be organizing a talk about Ansible for non-programmers. But, I do have pretty standard Python material on Ansible that I could give if it helps. It's been a while since anyone has seen it. Also, I could cross post this talk on my Silicon Valley Python MeetUp group. It's most of the same cross section that we had before. The MeetUp is a bit dusty and could use an actual recent MeetUp anyhow. To be clear, however, after we clear up the confusion BayPIGgies MeetUp account, I'd like to keep my own MeetUp separate from BayPIGgies so there is no confusion between the groups. Most importantly, I do *NOT* want to step on anyone's toes. If you want to organize the January MeetUp, please *PLEASE* let me know. I can either help you or do nothing if it isn't needed. Also, I don't intend to do this permanently -- I am only helping us get moving for 2016. I will not be organizing Feb or others. I'm just too damn busy these days. Please +/- 1 if I can proceed. I will hold off cross posting this event on MeetUp until Thursday at 7:30 pm -- That would give us exactly two weeks to advertise the meeting. Also, *please* help us find a space -- even if it's for only this one time. Kindest Regards, Glen Jarvis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Or was there an intermediary? > > Be good to have all the facts before approaching meetup.com and/or Suresh > and asking for the meetup back. > > -Bill > > Glen -> Tony | David -> ? -> Suresh I can also find receipts if necessary. I think I used a Vanilla Visa card that I even had the "BayPIGgies" name on (that's how I made my pseudo-anonymous donation) to the group. Also, look at Past MeetUps on the site for this MeetUp (previously known as BayPIGgies MeetUp). Past meetings are displayed by default. And, I believe we used "BayPIGgies" a lot in the name. We may want to simply ask Suresh if we can have it back. There may not be malicious intent. If we said "We're stepping down, please be a leader." He may have thought "Okay, let me do whatever I think is best." Kindest Regards, Glen Jarvis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Or was there an intermediary? >> >> Be good to have all the facts before approaching meetup.com and/or >> Suresh and asking for the meetup back. >> >> -Bill >> >> > > Glen -> Tony | David -> ? -> Suresh > > I can also find receipts if necessary. I think I used a Vanilla Visa card > that I even had the "BayPIGgies" name on (that's how I made my > pseudo-anonymous donation) to the group. > > Also, look at Past MeetUps on the site for this MeetUp (previously known > as BayPIGgies MeetUp). Past meetings are displayed by default. And, I > believe we used "BayPIGgies" a lot in the name. > > We may want to simply ask Suresh if we can have it back. There may not be > malicious intent. If we said "We're stepping down, please be a leader." 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I posted on a thread on the Meetup page discussion board (no longer accessible to me because I haven't paid the fee: http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/messages/boards/thread/49464471) before everyone got thrown out that I was concerned that the Meetup was going to charge $20 per person per year...and at that time there were ~1200 people on the group. It seemed like an enormous amount of money that needed to be collected. Some reasons on the listed on Meetup for the group "needing" those funds were to essentially reimburse the coordinator (?!). I was removed from the group because I didn't pay the fee. I know that many individuals in the community likewise use Meetup to find opportunities to learn, and while some groups do charge a fee for teaching events I knew that Baypiggies did not. There was no explanation for the sudden change from free to not-free, and others seem to be bothered by it. I knew that other people trying to just learn about Python could be being duped into what seemed like a scam...especially after all the talk on the mailing list.... and it made me mad that people would be abusing good-hearted developers who wanted to learn and connect...especially newbies in the community. I took the initiative to reach out to Meetup to see what next steps might be (hopefully this didn't step on anyone's toes but I wanted to alert Meetup about possible fraudulent activity [the group's display name changed this week but still included the same casing BayPIGgies as if it were part of the original group])...basically because I didn't want people's money to be stolen by unscrupulous people misrepresenting an association when there are so many great resources around. Although Silicon Valley is seemingly an area of great wealth, the cost of living is quite high and there are people in the impossibly expensive Silicon Valley for whom $20 (possibly misspent) can make the difference whether or not they can eat (students, early startup coders, etc etc). Honestly. If someone wanted to start a new Python group that would be fine to me... but to ask 1200 people to suddenly give $20 without consent from the group seems unsavory at best. The reply from Meetup: "Hello Karen, My name is Nicole and I work on the Trust and Safety team here at Meetup. Thank you for taking the time to write in. I would be happy to look into this further; however, we need to hear directly from the previous organizer of the Meetup. If you can have them reach out to my team directly at abuse at meetup.com we'll be able to conduct a limited inquiry and take the appropriate action. Thank you again for bringing this to our attention. Sincerely, Nicole Trust and Safety Specialist Meetup HQ" Again, my sincere apologies if obtaining this info regarding next steps stepped on anyone's toes ...but hopeful the Meetup group once again can be a resource for sharing Baypiggies events again. //------- // /TL;DR //------- -Karen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bdbaddog at gmail.com Thu Jan 14 16:38:57 2016 From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 13:38:57 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Message sent to Suresh (baypiggies meetup) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Conversation copied/pasted from meetup. - - Suresh B Velagapudi 12:02 PM - I did not take over Baypiggies users group. It is the meetup group I took over when it was orphaned in Dec 2015. I was a co-organizer of the meetup group before I stepped in as organizer - - bdbaddog 1:37 PM - Suresh I see your intentions weren't bad. However I believe you now know there is a python users group in the bay area since 2002. The meetup baypiggies was originally created by Glen Jarvis for the baypiggies users group (http://baypiggies.net/ ) and then handed over to the baypiggies group and thereafter you became involved. There was no notice to the baypiggies group that the previous baypiggies member wasn't going to renew it, and then it showed up being managed by you with a fee for membership. While no one will argue that you can create a python meetup in the bay area as you please, we would request that you return http://meetup.com/baypiggies to the group and we'll take over payment for the meetup. Please let us know if you agree. Thanks, Bill Deegan BayPiggies member I'll keep everyone up to date as the conversation continues. Thanks, Bill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd expect the vast majority of us would do likewise, but this slipped right under the radar during the busy holiday season. "I found your wallet and decided to do something more useful with the money in it." Feh. - Marty On Thu, January 14, 2016 12:18, Bernd Meyer wrote: > I contacted Suresh via meetup to get his side of the story. He responded: > > > It was to be closed on 31 Dec 2015. I prevented it by becoming the only > >> organizer on 16 Dec 2015. Mission is to make APEs (Advanced Python >> Experts) >> out of code monkeys. No Profit or Loss motive. Pricing is basically to >> curb the irresponsible RSVPs. >> > > and > > Hi Bernd, I posted the following in discussion on the website. > > > > >> "Hey all, I did not even know of the existence of >> Baypiggies at python.org. >> This group was about to die and I rescued it. Instead of being praised >> for my heroic act, I am accused of being a hijacker. Funny how the world >> is! Suresh " >> >> > > > I hope this will be useful in helping frame an appropriate response. > > > Bernd > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies From aahz at pythoncraft.com Fri Jan 15 00:18:11 2016 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 21:18:11 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Message sent to Suresh (baypiggies meetup) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20160115051811.GA5119@panix.com> On Thu, Jan 14, 2016, William Deegan wrote: > > - bdbaddog 1:37 PM > - Suresh I see your intentions weren't bad. However I believe you now know > there is a python users group in the bay area since 2002. Not that it really matters, but I believe that BayPIGgies was started in 1996 or 1997. It certainly existed before I started learning Python 12/1998. -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection." --Butler Lampson From welch at quietplease.com Thu Jan 14 12:31:24 2016 From: welch at quietplease.com (will welch) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 09:31:24 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups In-Reply-To: References: <9818.24.7.60.89.1452651043.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> <20160113141505.GB29851@panix.com> <823ABF11-C289-4F51-823D-DF95CD5B25F7@glenjarvis.com> Message-ID: >From Suresh, in a discussion over on http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/ Hey all, I did not even know of the existence of Baypiggies at python.org. This group was about to die and I rescued it. Instead of being praised for my heroic act, I am accused of being a hijacker. Funny how the world is! Suresh So, he'd like to be thanked. Perhaps dropping him a note is a simple effective next step. Will Welch 650 Second Street #203 San Francisco, CA 94107 415-480-4704 (cell) On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 9:30 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote: > Addendum: > > The "Past Meetups" aren't visible from here now: > http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/ > > > But, with the URL the same, that should be enough to get it back from > MeetUp. I can also sign a document with collaborating email/evidence that I > donated it originally to the group. > > > Cheers, > > > Glen > > > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:44 PM, William Deegan >> wrote: >> >>> Glen, >>> >>> So what was the "chain of custody" for baypiggies meetup? >>> You -> Suresh? Or was there an intermediary? >>> >>> Be good to have all the facts before approaching meetup.com and/or >>> Suresh and asking for the meetup back. >>> >>> -Bill >>> >>> >> >> Glen -> Tony | David -> ? -> Suresh >> >> I can also find receipts if necessary. I think I used a Vanilla Visa card >> that I even had the "BayPIGgies" name on (that's how I made my >> pseudo-anonymous donation) to the group. >> >> Also, look at Past MeetUps on the site for this MeetUp (previously known >> as BayPIGgies MeetUp). Past meetings are displayed by default. And, I >> believe we used "BayPIGgies" a lot in the name. >> >> We may want to simply ask Suresh if we can have it back. There may not be >> malicious intent. If we said "We're stepping down, please be a leader." 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I even saw a +1, w00t I'm in the black. :) Please update BayPIGgies.net: Who: Glen Jarvis What: Explore Git internals using Python | Let's write "git log" in Python When: Thursday, January 28, 2016 7:30 PM Where: LinkedIn Corporation / Stierlin Ct. / Mountain View / CA / Exact address and room not yet known Why: Because we need to know the airspeed of an unladen swallow Git is a powerful tool for source control. It's often misunderstood and abused. Under the surface Git is an elegant and simple data structure. When you don't understand that data structure, you don't really understand Git. It is flexible enough to give you all the rope that you need to hang yourself in Git hell. However, if you understand it, metaphorical Gordian knots seem simple and Git hell doesn't exist. Python is an elegant programming language heavily influenced by ABC "a teaching language, a replacement for BASIC...." [1] It's a perfect tool that looks like pseudo-code but executes. However, even with its simplicity, it is one of the most powerful programming languages that exists. It is a perfect language to document and run the Git data structure as we explore it. In this talk, we start with a simple explanation of the Git data structure on disk. We then begin live-coding to read those data structures and reconstruct a `git log` command for any arbitrary git repository without using the `git` command [2]. When finished, we should have our own working command that does the same thing as `git log` for any arbitrary repository, on any branch. We'll simply start at `HEAD` and work our way down the data structure. Although it is not *useful* to have a Python version of Git, it is *fun*. Also, this exploration helps you understand the Git tool on a much deeper level. When you can program something, you can understand it. And, understanding Git helps you be a better developer and collaborator. About the Speaker ============= Glen Jarvis has been programming Python for over 7 years and has been programming in different languages for over twenty years. Before that, he was a highly certified database administrator and has been certified in Linux/Unix administration by UC-Berkeley. He has worked for companies such as IBM, UC-Berkeley, Sprint and many Silicon Valley Start-ups. He has worked in the fields of Databases, Data Science, Bioinformatics and Web Technologies. Glen has been working for two years at RepairPal, a very successful start-up that gives you free estimates for what your car repair *should* cost [3]. He is currently putting the "Dev" in "DevOps" using Ansible (and Ruby). He additionally owns a consulting and training company, Glen Jarvis, LLC, that mentors budding programmers. Some of his training Videos include How to create a free AWS instance, Ansible Hands-On Training, and An introduction to Test Driven Development. 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I even saw a +1, w00t I'm in the black. :) > > > Please update BayPIGgies.net: > > Who: Glen Jarvis > What: Explore Git internals using Python | Let's write "git log" in Python > When: Thursday, January 28, 2016 7:30 PM > Where: LinkedIn Corporation / Stierlin Ct. / Mountain View / CA / Exact > address and room not yet known > Why: Because we need to know the airspeed of an unladen swallow > > Git is a powerful tool for source control. It's often misunderstood and > abused. Under the surface Git is an elegant and simple data structure. When > you don't understand that data structure, you don't really understand Git. > It is flexible enough to give you all the rope that you need to hang > yourself in Git hell. However, if you understand it, metaphorical Gordian > knots seem simple and Git hell doesn't exist. > > Python is an elegant programming language heavily influenced by ABC "a > teaching language, a replacement for BASIC...." [1] It's a perfect tool > that looks like pseudo-code but executes. However, even with its > simplicity, it is one of the most powerful programming languages that > exists. It is a perfect language to document and run the Git data structure > as we explore it. > > In this talk, we start with a simple explanation of the Git data structure > on disk. We then begin live-coding to read those data structures and > reconstruct a `git log` command for any arbitrary git repository without > using the `git` command [2]. When finished, we should have our own working > command that does the same thing as `git log` for any arbitrary repository, > on any branch. We'll simply start at `HEAD` and work our way down the data > structure. > > Although it is not *useful* to have a Python version of Git, it is *fun*. > Also, this exploration helps you understand the Git tool on a much deeper > level. When you can program something, you can understand it. And, > understanding Git helps you be a better developer and collaborator. > > > About the Speaker > > ============= > > Glen Jarvis has been programming Python for over 7 years and has been > programming in different languages for over twenty years. Before that, he > was a highly certified database administrator and has been certified in > Linux/Unix administration by UC-Berkeley. > > He has worked for companies such as IBM, UC-Berkeley, Sprint and many > Silicon Valley Start-ups. He has worked in the fields of Databases, Data > Science, Bioinformatics and Web Technologies. > > > Glen has been working for two years at RepairPal, a very successful > start-up that gives you free estimates for what your car repair *should* > cost [3]. He is currently putting the "Dev" in "DevOps" using Ansible (and > Ruby). > > He additionally owns a consulting and training company, Glen Jarvis, LLC, > that mentors budding programmers. Some of his training Videos include How > to create a free AWS instance, Ansible Hands-On Training, and An > introduction to Test Driven Development. He has also been an open source > contributor [4]. > > > [1] > http://python-history.blogspot.com/2009/02/early-language-design-and-development.html > > [2] With one small caveat. There is only one plumbing command used to read > a binary file `git cat-file`. 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The meeting, however, didn't happen due to an email mishap ( https://mail.python.org/pipermail/tutor/1999-July/000344.html). The 1st meeting really took place in Jul 1999 ( https://mail.python.org/pipermail/tutor/1999-July/000346.html). I was there when Guido was the speaker at the CoffeeNet in SF where it was SRO with ppl peeking in from outside trying to hear/get in. Anyone remember then moving it down from SF to ... (can't remember the 2nd location), but then we moved to Google in Mtn View, then Stanford, then i2 then (can't remember) then Symantec, then LinkedIn, and so where are we now? Cheers, -- Wesley - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "A computer never does what you want... only what you tell it." +wesley chun : wescpy at gmail : @wescpy Python training & consulting : http://CyberwebConsulting.com "Core Python" books : http://CorePython.com Python blog: http://wescpy.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidoff56 at alluvialsw.com Fri Jan 15 04:21:45 2016 From: davidoff56 at alluvialsw.com (Monte Davidoff) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 01:21:45 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Message sent to Suresh (baypiggies meetup) In-Reply-To: References: <20160115051811.GA5119@panix.com> Message-ID: <5698BA29.9050005@alluvialsw.com> On 1/15/16 12:20 AM, wesley chun wrote: > Anyone remember then moving it down from SF to ... (can't remember the > 2nd location), but then we moved to Google in Mtn View, then Stanford, > then i2 then (can't remember) then Symantec, then LinkedIn, and so > where are we now? I remember the Carnegie Institution at Stanford in 2004, then IronPort in San Bruno, then Google in Mtn View, then Symantec, then LinkedIn. Was there another location between SF and Stanford? Monte From berndca at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 10:25:58 2016 From: berndca at gmail.com (Bernd) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 07:25:58 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Message sent to Suresh (baypiggies meetup) In-Reply-To: <5698BA29.9050005@alluvialsw.com> References: <20160115051811.GA5119@panix.com> <5698BA29.9050005@alluvialsw.com> Message-ID: Suresh has changed the name of his meetup to BayPRIGgies which has the new url: http://www.meetup.com/BayPRIGgies/ and added the following to the top of the groups home page: Disclaimer: > > We have nothing to do with the previous decades' organizations bearing the > name BayPIGgies and the associated website or email. > This should allow us to recover our groups url and past meetups with the help of meetup tech support. We would have to create a new meetup group for BayPIGgies. I understand that this is certainly not an ideal route. However I this might be our easiest route right now. What do you think? 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So disappointing and surprising to me in this this community. -Karen > On Jan 15, 2016, at 7:25 AM, Bernd wrote: > > Suresh has changed the name of his meetup to BayPRIGgies which has the new url: > > http://www.meetup.com/BayPRIGgies/ > > and added the following to the top of the groups home page: > >> Disclaimer: >> >> We have nothing to do with the previous decades' organizations bearing the name BayPIGgies and the associated website or email. > > This should allow us to recover our groups url and past meetups with the help of meetup tech support. > We would have to create a new meetup group for BayPIGgies. > > I understand that this is certainly not an ideal route. However I this might be our easiest route right now. > > What do you think? > > Thanks, Bernd > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin at falatic.com Fri Jan 15 11:52:38 2016 From: martin at falatic.com (Martin Falatic) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 08:52:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baypiggies] Message sent to Suresh (baypiggies meetup) In-Reply-To: References: <20160115051811.GA5119@panix.com> <5698BA29.9050005@alluvialsw.com> Message-ID: <19035.24.7.60.89.1452876758.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> It's a big step in the right direction! That said, it'd be a shame if we can't contact or re-add those who were members of the meetup prior to change of ownership and fee model that made many leave in droves (either by lapsing or actively departing). However, hopefully many of these people are also on the SV Python Meetup and can be pinged via that group to let them know that they are welcome back. It's also sad for all those who forked over their annual fees not realizing it wasn't going to support the real BayPIGgies (I don't plan to stick around with "BayPRIGgies" once this is settled so I'll be seeing about a refund there.) - Marty On Fri, January 15, 2016 07:25, Bernd wrote: > Suresh has changed the name of his meetup to BayPRIGgies which has the > new url: > > > http://www.meetup.com/BayPRIGgies/ > > > and added the following to the top of the groups home page: > > Disclaimer: > >> >> We have nothing to do with the previous decades' organizations bearing >> the name BayPIGgies and the associated website or email. >> > > This should allow us to recover our groups url and past meetups with the > help of meetup tech support. We would have to create a new meetup group for > BayPIGgies. > > > I understand that this is certainly not an ideal route. However I this > might be our easiest route right now. > > What do you think? > > > Thanks, Bernd > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies From glen at glenjarvis.com Fri Jan 15 12:21:06 2016 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:21:06 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups In-Reply-To: References: <9818.24.7.60.89.1452651043.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> <20160113141505.GB29851@panix.com> <823ABF11-C289-4F51-823D-DF95CD5B25F7@glenjarvis.com> Message-ID: We have a meeting scheduled in our normal cycle for 28-Jan. By cross posting from my business' Python MeetUp, we have 69 people already signed up at the time of this writing: http://www.meetup.com/silicon-valley-python/events/228104282/ Even if the worst happens to our old MeetUp account, we can create and build another one fairly quickly. And, by cross-posting and asking others in our community to do so as well, we should be able to get our old attendees back and restored pretty quickly. BayPIGgies has been an institution for a very long time. It has a long and rich history. MeetUp is a great marketing tool. However, BayPIGgies is not governed by the tool. Instead we use the tool to reach a large new audience -- and we still can. I hope to focus the energy positively on our next meeting. If we get back the original MeetUp group, great! If we don't, I can donate another one -- like I did the original. All can be restored regardless. We need your help to keep keep BayPIGgies alive and vibrant. Please help me get the word out for our January meeting. Kindest Regards, Glen Jarvis On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:31 AM, will welch wrote: > From Suresh, in a discussion over on http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/ > > Hey all, > I did not even know of the existence of Baypiggies at python.org. This group > was about to die and I rescued it. Instead of being praised for my heroic > act, I am accused of being a hijacker. Funny how the world is! > Suresh > > So, he'd like to be thanked. Perhaps dropping him a note is a simple > effective next step. > > > Will Welch > 650 Second Street #203 > San Francisco, CA 94107 > 415-480-4704 (cell) > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 9:30 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote: > >> Addendum: >> >> The "Past Meetups" aren't visible from here now: >> http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/ >> >> >> But, with the URL the same, that should be enough to get it back from >> MeetUp. I can also sign a document with collaborating email/evidence that I >> donated it originally to the group. >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> Glen >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:44 PM, William Deegan >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Glen, >>>> >>>> So what was the "chain of custody" for baypiggies meetup? >>>> You -> Suresh? Or was there an intermediary? >>>> >>>> Be good to have all the facts before approaching meetup.com and/or >>>> Suresh and asking for the meetup back. >>>> >>>> -Bill >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Glen -> Tony | David -> ? -> Suresh >>> >>> I can also find receipts if necessary. I think I used a Vanilla Visa >>> card that I even had the "BayPIGgies" name on (that's how I made my >>> pseudo-anonymous donation) to the group. >>> >>> Also, look at Past MeetUps on the site for this MeetUp (previously known >>> as BayPIGgies MeetUp). Past meetings are displayed by default. And, I >>> believe we used "BayPIGgies" a lot in the name. >>> >>> We may want to simply ask Suresh if we can have it back. There may not >>> be malicious intent. If we said "We're stepping down, please be a leader." >>> He may have thought "Okay, let me do whatever I think is best." >>> >>> Kindest Regards, >>> >>> >>> Glen Jarvis >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Machines take me by surprise with great frequency. >> >> --Alan Turing >> >> >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Machines take me by surprise with great frequency. --Alan Turing +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bdbaddog at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 12:21:18 2016 From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:21:18 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] NOTICE: http://meetup.com/baypiggies is no longer associated with baypiggies users group Message-ID: Greetings, You may have received a notice in December that there was going to be a $20 membership fee for the meetup. Apparently the baypiggies meetup sponsorship got dropped and Suresh B Velagapudi took over the group and started charging a membership fee. *If you thought this meant that baypiggies was going to charge a membership fee and you paid the fee, I URGE you contact meetup.com and ask for a refund.* Baypiggies is attempting to retrieve the meetup group, but until we do (if we can), please look to the mailing list and baypiggies.net website for updates on the group. If not we may be forced to create a meetup with a new name. Glen Jarvis has volunteered to publish baypiggies meetups on his meetup (http://www.meetup.com/silicon-valley-python) (at least in the near term). Please keep in mind that that meetup is for his business and will continue to be going forward. A special thanks go Glen for allowing baypiggies to use it in the interim. -Bill Deegan BayPiggies website admin and long time member. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bdbaddog at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 12:22:51 2016 From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:22:51 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Message sent to Suresh (baypiggies meetup) In-Reply-To: References: <20160115051811.GA5119@panix.com> <5698BA29.9050005@alluvialsw.com> Message-ID: He seems unwilling to relinquish the meetup group so we'll have to see if we can work with meetup.com support to retrieve the group. I'll publish updates as there is any notable progress. -Bill On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Karen Dalton wrote: > He has intentionally maintained a very similar name and similar mixed > casing as a way to suggest association with the original group (and > potentially get those membership fees) despite the "disclaimer". Why would > he maintain a similar name and mixed casing at all if he really did want a > separate group? I hope it does allow the real group to regain the Meetup > though. > > His actions throughout are still suspect and less than honorable. So > disappointing and surprising to me in this this community. > > -Karen > > On Jan 15, 2016, at 7:25 AM, Bernd wrote: > > Suresh has changed the name of his meetup to BayPRIGgies which has the new > url: > > http://www.meetup.com/BayPRIGgies/ > > and added the following to the top of the groups home page: > > Disclaimer: >> >> We have nothing to do with the previous decades' organizations bearing >> the name BayPIGgies and the associated website or email. >> > > This should allow us to recover our groups url and past meetups with the > help of meetup tech support. > We would have to create a new meetup group for BayPIGgies. > > I understand that this is certainly not an ideal route. However I this > might be our easiest route right now. > > What do you think? > > Thanks, Bernd > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kd at karend.net Fri Jan 15 12:28:33 2016 From: kd at karend.net (Karen Dalton) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:28:33 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Message sent to Suresh (baypiggies meetup) In-Reply-To: References: <20160115051811.GA5119@panix.com> <5698BA29.9050005@alluvialsw.com> Message-ID: Regaining control of the group may be the only way to contact the ~1200 former members. He should easily be able to afford starting a new group with the 71 members X $20 fees he has collected this far (plus additional fees to attend the 2 upcoming talks). :-p. > On Jan 15, 2016, at 9:22 AM, William Deegan wrote: > > He seems unwilling to relinquish the meetup group so we'll have to see if we can work with meetup.com support to retrieve the group. > I'll publish updates as there is any notable progress. > > -Bill > >> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Karen Dalton wrote: >> He has intentionally maintained a very similar name and similar mixed casing as a way to suggest association with the original group (and potentially get those membership fees) despite the "disclaimer". Why would he maintain a similar name and mixed casing at all if he really did want a separate group? I hope it does allow the real group to regain the Meetup though. >> >> His actions throughout are still suspect and less than honorable. So disappointing and surprising to me in this this community. >> >> -Karen >> >>> On Jan 15, 2016, at 7:25 AM, Bernd wrote: >>> >>> Suresh has changed the name of his meetup to BayPRIGgies which has the new url: >>> >>> http://www.meetup.com/BayPRIGgies/ >>> >>> and added the following to the top of the groups home page: >>> >>>> Disclaimer: >>>> >>>> We have nothing to do with the previous decades' organizations bearing the name BayPIGgies and the associated website or email. >>> >>> This should allow us to recover our groups url and past meetups with the help of meetup tech support. >>> We would have to create a new meetup group for BayPIGgies. >>> >>> I understand that this is certainly not an ideal route. However I this might be our easiest route right now. >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> Thanks, Bernd >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Baypiggies mailing list >>> Baypiggies at python.org >>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glen at glenjarvis.com Fri Jan 15 12:31:53 2016 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:31:53 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Please update baypggies.net / 28-Jan / Explore Git internals using Python / Let's write "git log" in Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: May I ask us to update this verbiage on BayPIGgies.net. It is technically completely accurate. However, the part of "Until then, please check the mailing list and this website for updates" can be very confusing: > Welcome To BayPIGgies > We are the Silicon Valley-San Francisco Bay Area Python Interest Group. > No membership is required and beginners are welcome! > NOTE: http://meetup.com/baypiggies is currently being run by someone NOT > affiliated with baypiggies users group. We DO NOT CHARGE MEMBERSHIP > FEES. We are trying to negotiate the return of the meetup group. Until then > please check the mailing list and this website for updates. The reason I believe this can be confusing is that I am cross-posting this again with this MeetUp site (how we used to do it -- it has much of the same audience). I don't want to discourage those from signing up there -- especially as this is listed as sponsored by BayPIGgies and we link to your website. http://www.meetup.com/silicon-valley-python/events/228104282/ Could say something similar to: "Until then, we are using one of our member's MeetUp sites 'http://www.meetup.com/silicon-valley-python' to promote BayPIGgies to new members. But, please always use the mailing list and website for the official meeting information" Kindest Regards, Glen Jarvis On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 10:22 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote: > I saw no -1 votes for me stepping up to the plate and corralling cats for > our next MeetUp. I even saw a +1, w00t I'm in the black. :) > > > Please update BayPIGgies.net: > > Who: Glen Jarvis > What: Explore Git internals using Python | Let's write "git log" in Python > When: Thursday, January 28, 2016 7:30 PM > Where: LinkedIn Corporation / Stierlin Ct. / Mountain View / CA / Exact > address and room not yet known > Why: Because we need to know the airspeed of an unladen swallow > > Git is a powerful tool for source control. It's often misunderstood and > abused. Under the surface Git is an elegant and simple data structure. When > you don't understand that data structure, you don't really understand Git. > It is flexible enough to give you all the rope that you need to hang > yourself in Git hell. However, if you understand it, metaphorical Gordian > knots seem simple and Git hell doesn't exist. > > Python is an elegant programming language heavily influenced by ABC "a > teaching language, a replacement for BASIC...." [1] It's a perfect tool > that looks like pseudo-code but executes. However, even with its > simplicity, it is one of the most powerful programming languages that > exists. It is a perfect language to document and run the Git data structure > as we explore it. > > In this talk, we start with a simple explanation of the Git data structure > on disk. We then begin live-coding to read those data structures and > reconstruct a `git log` command for any arbitrary git repository without > using the `git` command [2]. When finished, we should have our own working > command that does the same thing as `git log` for any arbitrary repository, > on any branch. We'll simply start at `HEAD` and work our way down the data > structure. > > Although it is not *useful* to have a Python version of Git, it is *fun*. > Also, this exploration helps you understand the Git tool on a much deeper > level. When you can program something, you can understand it. And, > understanding Git helps you be a better developer and collaborator. > > > About the Speaker > > ============= > > Glen Jarvis has been programming Python for over 7 years and has been > programming in different languages for over twenty years. Before that, he > was a highly certified database administrator and has been certified in > Linux/Unix administration by UC-Berkeley. > > He has worked for companies such as IBM, UC-Berkeley, Sprint and many > Silicon Valley Start-ups. He has worked in the fields of Databases, Data > Science, Bioinformatics and Web Technologies. > > > Glen has been working for two years at RepairPal, a very successful > start-up that gives you free estimates for what your car repair *should* > cost [3]. He is currently putting the "Dev" in "DevOps" using Ansible (and > Ruby). > > He additionally owns a consulting and training company, Glen Jarvis, LLC, > that mentors budding programmers. Some of his training Videos include How > to create a free AWS instance, Ansible Hands-On Training, and An > introduction to Test Driven Development. He has also been an open source > contributor [4]. > > > [1] > http://python-history.blogspot.com/2009/02/early-language-design-and-development.html > > [2] With one small caveat. There is only one plumbing command used to read > a binary file `git cat-file`. The rest is ASCII text that we can > read/open/manipulate. > > [3] http://repairpal.com/ > > [4] https://github.com/glenjarvis/ > > > > Also, note that I have cross-posted this on my own company's MeetUp site. > Although this is not the BayPIGgies site, the more people that we see RSVP > here, the more newcomers will be interested in attending (no one likes > being the first one at a party): > > > http://www.meetup.com/silicon-valley-python/events/228104282/ > > > > > -- Machines take me by surprise with great frequency. --Alan Turing +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bdbaddog at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 12:34:52 2016 From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:34:52 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Please update baypggies.net / 28-Jan / Explore Git internals using Python / Let's write "git log" in Python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Glen, Sounds good. Changed.. -Bill On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Glen Jarvis wrote: > May I ask us to update this verbiage on BayPIGgies.net. It is technically > completely accurate. However, the part of "Until then, please check the > mailing list and this website for updates" can be very confusing: > > > Welcome To BayPIGgies > > > We are the Silicon Valley-San Francisco Bay Area Python Interest Group. > > > No membership is required and beginners are welcome! > > > NOTE: http://meetup.com/baypiggies is currently being run by someone > NOT > > > affiliated with baypiggies users group. We DO NOT CHARGE MEMBERSHIP > > > FEES. We are trying to negotiate the return of the meetup group. Until > then > > > please check the mailing list and this website for updates. > > > The reason I believe this can be confusing is that I am cross-posting this > again with this MeetUp site (how we used to do it -- it has much of the > same audience). I don't want to discourage those from signing up there -- > especially as this is listed as sponsored by BayPIGgies and we link to your > website. > > > http://www.meetup.com/silicon-valley-python/events/228104282/ > > > Could say something similar to: "Until then, we are using one of our > member's MeetUp sites 'http://www.meetup.com/silicon-valley-python' to > promote BayPIGgies to new members. But, please always use the mailing list > and website for the official meeting information" > > > Kindest Regards, > > > > Glen Jarvis > > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 10:22 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote: > >> I saw no -1 votes for me stepping up to the plate and corralling cats for >> our next MeetUp. I even saw a +1, w00t I'm in the black. :) >> >> >> Please update BayPIGgies.net: >> >> Who: Glen Jarvis >> What: Explore Git internals using Python | Let's write "git log" in Python >> When: Thursday, January 28, 2016 7:30 PM >> Where: LinkedIn Corporation / Stierlin Ct. / Mountain View / CA / Exact >> address and room not yet known >> Why: Because we need to know the airspeed of an unladen swallow >> >> Git is a powerful tool for source control. It's often misunderstood and >> abused. Under the surface Git is an elegant and simple data structure. When >> you don't understand that data structure, you don't really understand Git. >> It is flexible enough to give you all the rope that you need to hang >> yourself in Git hell. However, if you understand it, metaphorical Gordian >> knots seem simple and Git hell doesn't exist. >> >> Python is an elegant programming language heavily influenced by ABC "a >> teaching language, a replacement for BASIC...." [1] It's a perfect tool >> that looks like pseudo-code but executes. However, even with its >> simplicity, it is one of the most powerful programming languages that >> exists. It is a perfect language to document and run the Git data structure >> as we explore it. >> >> In this talk, we start with a simple explanation of the Git data >> structure on disk. We then begin live-coding to read those data structures >> and reconstruct a `git log` command for any arbitrary git repository >> without using the `git` command [2]. When finished, we should have our own >> working command that does the same thing as `git log` for any arbitrary >> repository, on any branch. We'll simply start at `HEAD` and work our way >> down the data structure. >> >> Although it is not *useful* to have a Python version of Git, it is *fun*. >> Also, this exploration helps you understand the Git tool on a much deeper >> level. When you can program something, you can understand it. And, >> understanding Git helps you be a better developer and collaborator. >> >> >> About the Speaker >> >> ============= >> >> Glen Jarvis has been programming Python for over 7 years and has been >> programming in different languages for over twenty years. Before that, he >> was a highly certified database administrator and has been certified in >> Linux/Unix administration by UC-Berkeley. >> >> He has worked for companies such as IBM, UC-Berkeley, Sprint and many >> Silicon Valley Start-ups. He has worked in the fields of Databases, Data >> Science, Bioinformatics and Web Technologies. >> >> >> Glen has been working for two years at RepairPal, a very successful >> start-up that gives you free estimates for what your car repair *should* >> cost [3]. He is currently putting the "Dev" in "DevOps" using Ansible (and >> Ruby). >> >> He additionally owns a consulting and training company, Glen Jarvis, LLC, >> that mentors budding programmers. Some of his training Videos include How >> to create a free AWS instance, Ansible Hands-On Training, and An >> introduction to Test Driven Development. He has also been an open source >> contributor [4]. >> >> >> [1] >> http://python-history.blogspot.com/2009/02/early-language-design-and-development.html >> >> [2] With one small caveat. There is only one plumbing command used to >> read a binary file `git cat-file`. The rest is ASCII text that we can >> read/open/manipulate. >> >> [3] http://repairpal.com/ >> >> [4] https://github.com/glenjarvis/ >> >> >> >> Also, note that I have cross-posted this on my own company's MeetUp site. >> Although this is not the BayPIGgies site, the more people that we see RSVP >> here, the more newcomers will be interested in attending (no one likes >> being the first one at a party): >> >> >> http://www.meetup.com/silicon-valley-python/events/228104282/ >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > > Machines take me by surprise with great frequency. > > --Alan Turing > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cappy2112 at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 12:39:45 2016 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:39:45 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Message sent to Suresh (baypiggies meetup) In-Reply-To: References: <20160115051811.GA5119@panix.com> <5698BA29.9050005@alluvialsw.com> Message-ID: >>Suresh has changed the name of his meetup to BayPRIGgies which has the new url: Well, I'm sure that people will misread that from time to time as Baypiggies. Surely he can come up with a better naming convention On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 7:25 AM, Bernd wrote: > Suresh has changed the name of his meetup to BayPRIGgies which has the new > url: > > http://www.meetup.com/BayPRIGgies/ > > and added the following to the top of the groups home page: > > Disclaimer: >> >> We have nothing to do with the previous decades' organizations bearing >> the name BayPIGgies and the associated website or email. >> > > This should allow us to recover our groups url and past meetups with the > help of meetup tech support. > We would have to create a new meetup group for BayPIGgies. > > I understand that this is certainly not an ideal route. However I this > might be our easiest route right now. > > What do you think? > > Thanks, Bernd > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeffrey.fischer at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 12:40:27 2016 From: jeffrey.fischer at gmail.com (Jeff Fischer) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:40:27 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Proposal: 2016 BayPIGgies Reboot: 28-Jan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:47 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote: > tl;dnr: > > * Please +/- 1 if I can take initiative to make 28-Jan happen. > +1 First, I would like to thank Glen for stepping in to help sort out BayPiggies! Second, I am happy to help out as a meeting (co-)organizer, starting with the February meeting. Ideally, there would be other people willing to help out - I think a multi-coordinator structure, like that of the SF meetup, would work best. I've been involved in other kinds of non-profits in the past, and people leaving without a transition is one of the biggest challenges (particularly if they get burnt out). I have not been involved in BayPiggies for several years (well, since my daughter was born 3 years ago), but used to attend the meetings at Symantec. I gave a few "newbie nugget" presentations and a long talk on deployment. I have been meaning to get involved again, and I guess this is a good opportunity to do so. I'm not sure who (if anyone) is currently responsible for the meetings. I will be at the January 28th meeting and will talk to Glen and anyone else who is interested. If you cannot make the next meeting but still would like to help, perhaps reply to the list and we can be sure to include you. 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URL: From glen at glenjarvis.com Fri Jan 15 12:42:37 2016 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:42:37 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Message sent to Suresh (baypiggies meetup) In-Reply-To: References: <20160115051811.GA5119@panix.com> <5698BA29.9050005@alluvialsw.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 7:25 AM, Bernd wrote: > Suresh has changed the name of his meetup to BayPRIGgies which has the new > url: > > http://www.meetup.com/BayPRIGgies/ > > and added the following to the top of the groups home page: > > Disclaimer: >> >> We have nothing to do with the previous decades' organizations bearing >> the name BayPIGgies and the associated website or email. >> > > This should allow us to recover our groups url and past meetups with the > help of meetup tech support. > We would have to create a new meetup group for BayPIGgies. > > I understand that this is certainly not an ideal route. However I this > might be our easiest route right now. > > What do you think? > I personally think this is the best plan going forward and I also had the same idea. I donated the original MeetUp site. I can donate a second (and then work with the Python Software Foundation to get it officially sponsored and controlled by the group. Before I take any action, however, I will wait for 24 hours. Saturday morning, by 9:30 am, I will register the new domain. Please -1 or +1 so that I know the group consensus (or at least the group's feeling on this plan). If we do this, all will be restored except those who made payment previously. It may feel like an injustice has occurred. And, it has on all fronts -- everyone has been negatively impacted by this. We want to be "made whole" -- and re-registering the domain would make us almost completely "whole" in this matter. Please +1 if you wish for me to register BayPIGgies again with MeetUp (I will donate costs via my company). Please -1 if you don't wish for me to take this action. In an absence of votes I will take this action tomorrow morning (Saturday) at 9:30 am. Kindest Regards, Glen Jarvis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glen at glenjarvis.com Fri Jan 15 12:46:35 2016 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:46:35 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Message sent to Suresh (baypiggies meetup) In-Reply-To: References: <20160115051811.GA5119@panix.com> <5698BA29.9050005@alluvialsw.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Karen Dalton wrote: > Regaining control of the group may be the only way to contact the ~1200 > former members. > Actually, except for newer members joining within the past two years, we have contact with 3,763 Pythonistas through my MeetUp group -- that we originally used to contact our members before we spun off into a new group. Please see the 3,763 current Pythonistas listed here. 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On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Jeff Fischer wrote: > On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:47 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote: > >> tl;dnr: >> >> * Please +/- 1 if I can take initiative to make 28-Jan happen. >> > > +1 > First, I would like to thank Glen for stepping in to help sort out > BayPiggies! > > Second, I am happy to help out as a meeting (co-)organizer, starting with > the February meeting. Ideally, there would be other people willing to help > out - I think a multi-coordinator structure, like that of the SF meetup, > would work best. I've been involved in other kinds of non-profits in the > past, and people leaving without a transition is one of the biggest > challenges (particularly if they get burnt out). > > I have not been involved in BayPiggies for several years (well, since my > daughter was born 3 years ago), but used to attend the meetings at > Symantec. I gave a few "newbie nugget" presentations and a long talk on > deployment. I have been meaning to get involved again, and I guess this is > a good opportunity to do so. > > I'm not sure who (if anyone) is currently responsible for the meetings. I > will be at the January 28th meeting and will talk to Glen and anyone else > who is interested. If you cannot make the next meeting but still would like > to help, perhaps reply to the list and we can be sure to include you. > > Thanks, > Jeff Fischer > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bdbaddog at gmail.com Fri Jan 15 13:15:13 2016 From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 10:15:13 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Proposal: 2016 BayPIGgies Reboot: 28-Jan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: O.k. removed linked in as the location until we get that confirmed from the website. On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Tony Cappellini wrote: > >>.I will be at the January 28th meeting > > We don't have a firm commitment from LinkedIn on January 28th, yet, I'm > waiting to hear back from our contacts at LinkedIn. > Please don't write that date in ink just yet. > > LinkedIn has expressed interest in hosting us for 2016 though, we are just > waiting for them to reserve a room for us for the whole year. > Will keep the group posted as soon as I find out. > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Jeff Fischer > wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 8:47 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote: >> >>> tl;dnr: >>> >>> * Please +/- 1 if I can take initiative to make 28-Jan happen. >>> >> >> +1 >> First, I would like to thank Glen for stepping in to help sort out >> BayPiggies! >> >> Second, I am happy to help out as a meeting (co-)organizer, starting >> with the February meeting. Ideally, there would be other people willing to >> help out - I think a multi-coordinator structure, like that of the SF >> meetup, would work best. I've been involved in other kinds of non-profits >> in the past, and people leaving without a transition is one of the biggest >> challenges (particularly if they get burnt out). >> >> I have not been involved in BayPiggies for several years (well, since my >> daughter was born 3 years ago), but used to attend the meetings at >> Symantec. I gave a few "newbie nugget" presentations and a long talk on >> deployment. I have been meaning to get involved again, and I guess this is >> a good opportunity to do so. >> >> I'm not sure who (if anyone) is currently responsible for the meetings. I >> will be at the January 28th meeting and will talk to Glen and anyone else >> who is interested. 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URL: From akwright at mac.com Fri Jan 15 12:57:04 2016 From: akwright at mac.com (Kevin Wright) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:57:04 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Message sent to Suresh (baypiggies meetup) In-Reply-To: References: <20160115051811.GA5119@panix.com> Message-ID: Hi Wesley, You said: > (can't remember the 2nd location), NOTE: All of this information is to the best of my recollection. The second location was at my company, Aspect Development (later i2 Technologies), on Shoreline and Charleston in Mountain View. Aspect was a heavy user of Python and JPython (later renamed to Jython). They had ported their Explore client from C++ to Jython and even invested in Python development back in around 2000. I found out about BayPiggies because I took your Python class at USCS extension. The BayPiggies meeting was at Aspect/i2 for around a year I believe until they laid off most of the employees. I remember Guido showing up for at least three of the meetings we had there. --Kevin > On Jan 15, 2016, at 12:20 AM, wesley chun wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:18 PM, Aahz > wrote: > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016, William Deegan wrote: > > > > - bdbaddog 1:37 PM > > - Suresh I see your intentions weren't bad. However I believe you now know > > there is a python users group in the bay area since 2002. > > Not that it really matters, but I believe that BayPIGgies was started in > 1996 or 1997. It certainly existed before I started learning Python > 12/1998. > > > Actually, no. :-) I think Deirdre *wanted* to start it around that time, but it originate until May 1999 (https://mail.python.org/pipermail/tutor/1999-May/000235.html ). The meeting, however, didn't happen due to an email mishap (https://mail.python.org/pipermail/tutor/1999-July/000344.html ). > > The 1st meeting really took place in Jul 1999 (https://mail.python.org/pipermail/tutor/1999-July/000346.html ). I was there when Guido was the speaker at the CoffeeNet in SF where it was SRO with ppl peeking in from outside trying to hear/get in. > > Anyone remember then moving it down from SF to ... (can't remember the 2nd location), but then we moved to Google in Mtn View, then Stanford, then i2 then (can't remember) then Symantec, then LinkedIn, and so where are we now? > > Cheers, > -- Wesley > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > "A computer never does what you want... only what you tell it." > +wesley chun : wescpy at gmail : @wescpy > Python training & consulting : http://CyberwebConsulting.com > "Core Python" books : http://CorePython.com > Python blog: http://wescpy.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(I'll be out of the US until Feb 7, but I can help out after that) James Abel j at abel.co (personal) james.c.abel at intel.com (work) From rodrigc at FreeBSD.org Fri Jan 15 18:11:06 2016 From: rodrigc at FreeBSD.org (Craig Rodrigues) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 18:11:06 -0500 Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups In-Reply-To: References: <9818.24.7.60.89.1452651043.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> <20160113141505.GB29851@panix.com> <823ABF11-C289-4F51-823D-DF95CD5B25F7@glenjarvis.com> Message-ID: According to: http://www.meetup.com/pricing/ , I see that hosting a meetup costs $15/month for a meetup with unlimited members. Is that how much the Baypiggies meetup costs? -- Craig -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From knupp at well.com Fri Jan 15 18:49:42 2016 From: knupp at well.com (David Knupp) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 15:49:42 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Message sent to Suresh (baypiggies meetup) In-Reply-To: References: <20160115051811.GA5119@panix.com> <5698BA29.9050005@alluvialsw.com> Message-ID: <852FA863-60B7-484F-82B0-FDC70330CFDB@well.com> The problem is worse than people misreading the URL. The original URL now simply redirects to Suresh?s group: # original URL >>> url = 'http://www.meetup.com/baypiggies/' >>> tree = lxml.html.parse(url) >>> tree.find('.//title').text 'Bay Area Python 3.x Rigorous Indulgence Group (BayPRIGgies) (Palo Alto, CA)\n\n\n- Meetup' # new URL >>> url = 'http://www.meetup.com/baypriggies/' >>> tree = lxml.html.parse(url) >>> tree.find('.//title').text 'Bay Area Python 3.x Rigorous Indulgence Group (BayPRIGgies) (Palo Alto, CA)\n\n\n- Meetup? > On Jan 15, 2016, at 9:39 AM, Tony Cappellini wrote: > > >>Suresh has changed the name of his meetup to BayPRIGgies which has the new url: > Well, I'm sure that people will misread that from time to time as Baypiggies. > Surely he can come up with a better naming convention > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 7:25 AM, Bernd > wrote: > Suresh has changed the name of his meetup to BayPRIGgies which has the new url: > > http://www.meetup.com/BayPRIGgies/ > > and added the following to the top of the groups home page: > > Disclaimer: > > We have nothing to do with the previous decades' organizations bearing the name BayPIGgies and the associated website or email. > > This should allow us to recover our groups url and past meetups with the help of meetup tech support. > We would have to create a new meetup group for BayPIGgies. > > I understand that this is certainly not an ideal route. However I this might be our easiest route right now. > > What do you think? > > Thanks, Bernd > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmcinerney at hotmail.com Fri Jan 15 18:58:52 2016 From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 15:58:52 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Message sent to Suresh (baypiggies meetup) In-Reply-To: References: , , , <20160115051811.GA5119@panix.com>, , <5698BA29.9050005@alluvialsw.com>, , Message-ID: Thanks Glen & Bill for stepping in: -1 on re-registering BayPIGgies as a different Meetup. We have a strong chance to compel Suresh to hand back the existing Meetup.Let us try that, as follows: - that Meetup contains 3+ years of our (BayPIGgies) event history, comments, links - this is different to the usual case of a Meetup "hostile takeover", where Meetup TOS offers basically zero protection - this case is different because "BayPIGgies" already had a separate legal existence back to 1999, which long predated the Meetup. Apparently the term qualifies as an unregistered "common-law" trademark. [IANAL]. - Suresh's name-change to "BayPRIGgies" looks fairly clearly like a case of typosquatting, isn't good-faith use, and allowing that name to persist would continue the confusion. - when we regain the Meetup, I believe we can also compel Suresh to refund the dues he charged - IANAL, none of us is a lawyer, but Bill Deegan mentioned one of the PSF is, and may be available. - we should probably also register "BayPIGgies" as a trademark. This costs ~$300-500 and lasts 10 years. It should guarantee that this situation can't recur. So, my recommendation:i) quickly get lawyer to confirm the legal validity of "BayPIGgies" as an unregistered trademark since 1999ii) get lawyer to send both Suresh and Meetup a letter asserting our rights and asking them to hand back the Meetup to us (also refund any dues gathered by using the name)iii) only in the event all that fails, then move to a new domain name as Glen suggestediv) either way, register "BayPIGgies" as a trademark Any +1 or -1 on this? I think regaining control of the Meetup quickly is preferable and achievable. Stephen Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:42:37 -0800 From: glen at glenjarvis.com To: berndca at gmail.com Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Message sent to Suresh (baypiggies meetup) CC: baypiggies at python.org On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 7:25 AM, Bernd wrote: Suresh has changed the name of his meetup to BayPRIGgies which has the new url: http://www.meetup.com/BayPRIGgies/ and added the following to the top of the groups home page: Disclaimer: We have nothing to do with the previous decades' organizations bearing the name BayPIGgies and the associated website or email. This should allow us to recover our groups url and past meetups with the help of meetup tech support. We would have to create a new meetup group for BayPIGgies. I understand that this is certainly not an ideal route. However I this might be our easiest route right now. What do you think? I personally think this is the best plan going forward and I also had the same idea. I donated the original MeetUp site. I can donate a second (and then work with the Python Software Foundation to get it officially sponsored and controlled by the group. Before I take any action, however, I will wait for 24 hours. Saturday morning, by 9:30 am, I will register the new domain. Please -1 or +1 so that I know the group consensus (or at least the group's feeling on this plan). If we do this, all will be restored except those who made payment previously. It may feel like an injustice has occurred. And, it has on all fronts -- everyone has been negatively impacted by this. We want to be "made whole" -- and re-registering the domain would make us almost completely "whole" in this matter. Please +1 if you wish for me to register BayPIGgies again with MeetUp (I will donate costs via my company). Please -1 if you don't wish for me to take this action. In an absence of votes I will take this action tomorrow morning (Saturday) at 9:30 am. 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I'll update any news on the front of the PSF. ? On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Stephen wrote: > Thanks Glen & Bill for stepping in: > > -1 on re-registering BayPIGgies as a different Meetup. > We have a strong chance to compel Suresh to hand back the existing Meetup. > Let us try that, as follows: > > - that Meetup contains 3+ years of our (BayPIGgies) event history, > comments, links > - this is different to the usual case of a Meetup "hostile takeover", > where Meetup TOS offers > basically zero protection > - this case is different because "BayPIGgies" already had a separate > legal existence back to > 1999, which long predated the Meetup. Apparently the term qualifies as > an unregistered > "common-law" trademark. [IANAL]. > - Suresh's name-change to "BayPRIGgies" looks fairly clearly like a case > of typosquatting, > isn't good-faith use, and allowing that name to persist would continue > the confusion. > - when we regain the Meetup, I believe we can also compel Suresh to > refund the dues he charged > - IANAL, none of us is a lawyer, but Bill Deegan mentioned one of the PSF > is, and may be available. > - we should probably also register "BayPIGgies" as a trademark. This > costs ~$300-500 and lasts 10 years. > It should guarantee that this situation can't recur. > > So, my recommendation: > i) quickly get lawyer to confirm the legal validity of "BayPIGgies" as an > unregistered trademark since 1999 > ii) get lawyer to send both Suresh and Meetup a letter asserting our > rights and asking them to > hand back the Meetup to us (also refund any dues gathered by using the > name) > iii) only in the event all that fails, then move to a new domain name as > Glen suggested > iv) either way, register "BayPIGgies" as a trademark > > Any +1 or -1 on this? I think regaining control of the Meetup quickly is > preferable and achievable. > > Stephen > > ------------------------------ > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:42:37 -0800 > From: glen at glenjarvis.com > To: berndca at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Message sent to Suresh (baypiggies meetup) > CC: baypiggies at python.org > > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 7:25 AM, Bernd wrote: > > Suresh has changed the name of his meetup to BayPRIGgies which has the new > url: > > http://www.meetup.com/BayPRIGgies/ > > and added the following to the top of the groups home page: > > Disclaimer: > > We have nothing to do with the previous decades' organizations bearing the > name BayPIGgies and the associated website or email. > > > This should allow us to recover our groups url and past meetups with the > help of meetup tech support. > We would have to create a new meetup group for BayPIGgies. > > I understand that this is certainly not an ideal route. However I this > might be our easiest route right now. > > What do you think? > > > > I personally think this is the best plan going forward and I also had the > same idea. I donated the original MeetUp site. I can donate a second (and > then work with the Python Software Foundation to get it officially > sponsored and controlled by the group. > > Before I take any action, however, I will wait for 24 hours. Saturday > morning, by 9:30 am, I will register the new domain. Please -1 or +1 so > that I know the group consensus (or at least the group's feeling on this > plan). > > If we do this, all will be restored except those who made payment > previously. It may feel like an injustice has occurred. And, it has on all > fronts -- everyone has been negatively impacted by this. We want to be > "made whole" -- and re-registering the domain would make us almost > completely "whole" in this matter. > > Please +1 if you wish for me to register BayPIGgies again with MeetUp (I > will donate costs via my company). > > Please -1 if you don't wish for me to take this action. > > In an absence of votes I will take this action tomorrow morning (Saturday) > at 9:30 am. > > Kindest Regards, > > > Glen Jarvis > > _______________________________________________ Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Don Sheu 312.880.9389 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - My Python user group in February meets at Dropbox *http://www.meetup.com/PSPPython/ * *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*: *The information contained in this message may be protected trade secrets or protected by applicable intellectual property laws of the United States and International agreements. 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I know that there were some events I did not go to because Mountain View slows to a c_r_a_w_l when Shoreline has a concert on same night as BayPiggies/ From glen at glenjarvis.com Fri Jan 15 23:49:34 2016 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 20:49:34 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] auditorium offer In-Reply-To: <20160115132734.763f2ef0fcf35cb97ecbfe8c38450369.c8e36eb850.wbe@email01.secureserver.net> References: <20160115132734.763f2ef0fcf35cb97ecbfe8c38450369.c8e36eb850.wbe@email01.secureserver.net> Message-ID: > > If BayPIGgies needs a venue I can probably get Intel to host at our > large auditorium in Santa Clara. It holds 300+. Contact me if you'd > like me to look into it. I can also help out as a co-organizer if > needed. (I'll be out of the US until Feb 7, but I can help out after > that) > James, Thank you for that offer. It is very much appreciated. We have verbal confirmation for the LinkedIn space for January. So, your timing is great for a conversation in February. There have been 2-3 offers for space thus far. And, they are *all* appreciated. I will follow-up with you after Feb 7th. Have a safe trip. Kindest Regards, Glen Jarvis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin at falatic.com Sat Jan 16 04:28:58 2016 From: martin at falatic.com (Martin Falatic) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 01:28:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baypiggies] Message sent to Suresh (baypiggies meetup) In-Reply-To: References: , , , <20160115051811.GA5119@panix.com>, , <5698BA29.9050005@alluvialsw.com>, , Message-ID: <32173.24.7.60.89.1452936538.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> +1 -- I think the meetup group was a valuable asset and it'd be a shame to let someone take it like this (I'm not thrilled with the fact that Meetup TOS make this so easy to do but that's another matter). Letting them keep the group and its history sets a bad precedent and I would hope that it could be quickly and completely resolved with the right leverage. - Marty On Fri, January 15, 2016 15:58, Stephen wrote: > Thanks Glen & Bill for stepping in: > -1 on re-registering BayPIGgies as a different Meetup. We have a strong > chance to compel Suresh to hand back the existing Meetup.Let us try that, > as follows: - that Meetup contains 3+ years of our (BayPIGgies) event > history, comments, links - this is different to the usual case of a > Meetup "hostile takeover", where Meetup TOS offers basically zero > protection - this case is different because "BayPIGgies" already had a > separate legal existence back to 1999, which long predated the Meetup. > Apparently the term qualifies as an unregistered "common-law" trademark. > [IANAL]. - Suresh's name-change to "BayPRIGgies" looks fairly clearly > like a case of typosquatting, isn't good-faith use, and allowing that > name to persist would continue the confusion. - when we regain the > Meetup, I believe we can also compel Suresh to refund the dues he charged > - IANAL, none of us is a lawyer, but Bill Deegan mentioned one of the PSF > is, and may be available. - we should probably also register "BayPIGgies" > as a trademark. This costs ~$300-500 and lasts 10 years. It should > guarantee that this situation can't recur. So, my recommendation:i) > quickly get lawyer to confirm the legal validity of "BayPIGgies" as an > unregistered trademark since 1999ii) get lawyer to send both Suresh and > Meetup a letter asserting our rights and asking them to hand back the > Meetup to us (also refund any dues gathered by using the name)iii) only > in the event all that fails, then move to a new domain name as Glen > suggestediv) either way, register "BayPIGgies" as a trademark Any +1 or -1 > on this? I think regaining control of the Meetup quickly is preferable > and achievable. Stephen > > Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:42:37 -0800 > From: glen at glenjarvis.com > To: berndca at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Message sent to Suresh (baypiggies meetup) > CC: baypiggies at python.org > > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 7:25 AM, Bernd wrote: > Suresh has changed the name of his meetup to BayPRIGgies which has the new > url: > > > http://www.meetup.com/BayPRIGgies/ > > > and added the following to the top of the groups home page: > > Disclaimer: > > > We have nothing to do with the previous decades' organizations bearing > the name BayPIGgies and the associated website or email. > > This should allow us to recover our groups url and past meetups with the > help of meetup tech support. We would have to create a new meetup group > for BayPIGgies. > > I understand that this is certainly not an ideal route. However I this > might be our easiest route right now. > > What do you think? > > > > I personally think this is the best plan going forward and I also had the > same idea. I donated the original MeetUp site. I can donate a second (and > then work with the Python Software Foundation to get it officially > sponsored and controlled by the group. Before I take any action, however, > I will wait for 24 hours. Saturday morning, by 9:30 am, I will register > the new domain. Please -1 or +1 so that I know the group consensus (or at > least the group's feeling on this plan). If we do this, all will be > restored except those who made payment previously. It may feel like an > injustice has occurred. And, it has on all fronts -- everyone has been > negatively impacted by this. We want to be "made whole" -- and > re-registering the domain would make us almost completely "whole" in this > matter. Please +1 if you wish for me to register BayPIGgies again with > MeetUp (I will donate costs via my company). > Please -1 if you don't wish for me to take this action. > In an absence of votes I will take this action tomorrow morning (Saturday) > at 9:30 am. Kindest Regards, > > > Glen Jarvis > > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies From glen at glenjarvis.com Sat Jan 16 10:39:16 2016 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 07:39:16 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] BayPIGgies lives :) Message-ID: Despite Popular rumor, BayPIGgies is very much alive. Organizer ======== Glen Jarvis has agreed to be temporary organizer and will continue to do so until things have stabilized. Jeff Fischer has volunteered to co-organize and will be co-organizing the February MeetUp. Seven additional volunteers have stepped up to the plate to help keep BayPIGgies running. Location ======= We are in communication with LinkedIn for continuing our meetings there. We have two other companies volunteer to give us space if they can and if the LinkedIn arrangement can't be met: SAP and Intel. Calendar ======= We have the following dates scheduled. We still have five slots to fill: 28-Jan Glen Jarvis - Explore Git internals using Python 25-Feb 24-Mar Matt Savage () / Python<->VR (If agreed to do it for BayPIGgies instead of Silicon Valley Python) 28-Apr 26-May PyCon Practice Talks 23-June 28-July Glen Jarvis - Join Forces: Python meet Ruby; Ruby meet Python 25-Aug 22-Sep 27-Oct MeetUp ====== Although there has been drama around the recently used MeetUp site, we still have access to and are being hosted by the Silicon Valley Python Meetup (http://www.meetup.com/silicon-valley-python/). There is access to over 3,773 Pythonistas -- Over three times the size of the site that is in contention. The Silicon Valley Python MeetUp has agreed to cross-post for us until the MeetUp problems that we have encountered have been fixed. Membership Refunds ================= We have corporate sponsorship of refunds for those who have mistakenly paid membership dues to the now sequestered MeetUp site. This was given by the RockIt Recruiting firm (http://www.rockitrecruiting.com/), the firm that I always used because they completely understand the Open Source community. Please send an email to glen at glenjarvis.com to start the claim. RockIT gave this statement: As a proponent of networking, technology, transparency, and the Silicon Valley startup community, RockIT Recruiting would like to do our part to support the Bay PIGgies community. We heard that some members mistakenly joined the now-named Bay PRIGgies meetup group and were charged a membership fee. RockIT is offering $500* to reimburse those who mistakenly joined the group but were trying to join the original BayPIGgies community. *If the full amount isn't claimed for reimbursement, we will donate the remainder for beer/food at the next Bay PIGgies Meetup event. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bill at baddogconsulting.com Fri Jan 15 19:28:25 2016 From: bill at baddogconsulting.com (Bill Deegan) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 16:28:25 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Message sent to Suresh (baypiggies meetup) In-Reply-To: References: <20160115051811.GA5119@panix.com> <5698BA29.9050005@alluvialsw.com> Message-ID: Thanks Don! And Stephen. -Bill On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Don Sheu wrote: > I've emailed Ewa Jodlowska Python's permanent professional for guidance. > > The domain baypiggies.net was transferred to the PSF in December 2015. > Seems like PSF is an avenue for protecting the trademark. > > Van Lindberg PSF board chair is a professionally the Associate General > Counsel for Rackspace and specializes in IP law. > > Waiting on a response from Ewa. I'll update any news on the front of the > PSF. > ? > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Stephen wrote: > >> Thanks Glen & Bill for stepping in: >> >> -1 on re-registering BayPIGgies as a different Meetup. >> We have a strong chance to compel Suresh to hand back the existing Meetup. >> Let us try that, as follows: >> >> - that Meetup contains 3+ years of our (BayPIGgies) event history, >> comments, links >> - this is different to the usual case of a Meetup "hostile takeover", >> where Meetup TOS offers >> basically zero protection >> - this case is different because "BayPIGgies" already had a separate >> legal existence back to >> 1999, which long predated the Meetup. Apparently the term qualifies as >> an unregistered >> "common-law" trademark. [IANAL]. >> - Suresh's name-change to "BayPRIGgies" looks fairly clearly like a case >> of typosquatting, >> isn't good-faith use, and allowing that name to persist would >> continue the confusion. >> - when we regain the Meetup, I believe we can also compel Suresh to >> refund the dues he charged >> - IANAL, none of us is a lawyer, but Bill Deegan mentioned one of the >> PSF is, and may be available. >> - we should probably also register "BayPIGgies" as a trademark. This >> costs ~$300-500 and lasts 10 years. >> It should guarantee that this situation can't recur. >> >> So, my recommendation: >> i) quickly get lawyer to confirm the legal validity of "BayPIGgies" as >> an unregistered trademark since 1999 >> ii) get lawyer to send both Suresh and Meetup a letter asserting our >> rights and asking them to >> hand back the Meetup to us (also refund any dues gathered by using the >> name) >> iii) only in the event all that fails, then move to a new domain name as >> Glen suggested >> iv) either way, register "BayPIGgies" as a trademark >> >> Any +1 or -1 on this? I think regaining control of the Meetup quickly is >> preferable and achievable. >> >> Stephen >> >> ------------------------------ >> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:42:37 -0800 >> From: glen at glenjarvis.com >> To: berndca at gmail.com >> Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Message sent to Suresh (baypiggies meetup) >> CC: baypiggies at python.org >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 7:25 AM, Bernd wrote: >> >> Suresh has changed the name of his meetup to BayPRIGgies which has the >> new url: >> >> http://www.meetup.com/BayPRIGgies/ >> >> and added the following to the top of the groups home page: >> >> Disclaimer: >> >> We have nothing to do with the previous decades' organizations bearing >> the name BayPIGgies and the associated website or email. >> >> >> This should allow us to recover our groups url and past meetups with the >> help of meetup tech support. >> We would have to create a new meetup group for BayPIGgies. >> >> I understand that this is certainly not an ideal route. However I this >> might be our easiest route right now. >> >> What do you think? >> >> >> >> I personally think this is the best plan going forward and I also had the >> same idea. I donated the original MeetUp site. I can donate a second (and >> then work with the Python Software Foundation to get it officially >> sponsored and controlled by the group. >> >> Before I take any action, however, I will wait for 24 hours. Saturday >> morning, by 9:30 am, I will register the new domain. Please -1 or +1 so >> that I know the group consensus (or at least the group's feeling on this >> plan). >> >> If we do this, all will be restored except those who made payment >> previously. It may feel like an injustice has occurred. And, it has on all >> fronts -- everyone has been negatively impacted by this. We want to be >> "made whole" -- and re-registering the domain would make us almost >> completely "whole" in this matter. >> >> Please +1 if you wish for me to register BayPIGgies again with MeetUp (I >> will donate costs via my company). >> >> Please -1 if you don't wish for me to take this action. >> >> In an absence of votes I will take this action tomorrow morning >> (Saturday) at 9:30 am. >> >> Kindest Regards, >> >> >> Glen Jarvis >> >> _______________________________________________ Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org To change your subscription options or >> unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > > > > -- > Don Sheu > 312.880.9389 > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > My Python user group in February meets at Dropbox > *http://www.meetup.com/PSPPython/ * > > > *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*: *The information contained in this message may > be protected trade secrets or protected by applicable intellectual property > laws of the United States and International agreements. 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The original URL now > simply redirects to Suresh?s group: > > # original URL > >>> url = 'http://www.meetup.com/baypiggies/' > >>> tree = lxml.html.parse(url) > >>> tree.find('.//title').text > 'Bay Area Python 3.x Rigorous Indulgence Group (BayPRIGgies) (Palo Alto, > CA)\n\n\n- Meetup' > > > # new URL > >>> url = 'http://www.meetup.com/baypriggies/' > >>> tree = lxml.html.parse(url) > >>> tree.find('.//title').text > 'Bay Area Python 3.x Rigorous Indulgence Group (BayPRIGgies) (Palo Alto, > CA)\n\n\n- Meetup? > > > On Jan 15, 2016, at 9:39 AM, Tony Cappellini wrote: > > >>Suresh has changed the name of his meetup to BayPRIGgies which has the > new url: > Well, I'm sure that people will misread that from time to time as > Baypiggies. > Surely he can come up with a better naming convention > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 7:25 AM, Bernd wrote: > >> Suresh has changed the name of his meetup to BayPRIGgies which has the >> new url: >> >> http://www.meetup.com/BayPRIGgies/ >> >> and added the following to the top of the groups home page: >> >> Disclaimer: >>> >>> We have nothing to do with the previous decades' organizations bearing >>> the name BayPIGgies and the associated website or email. >>> >> >> This should allow us to recover our groups url and past meetups with the >> help of meetup tech support. >> We would have to create a new meetup group for BayPIGgies. >> >> I understand that this is certainly not an ideal route. However I this >> might be our easiest route right now. >> >> What do you think? >> >> Thanks, Bernd >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bdbaddog at gmail.com Sat Jan 16 15:44:00 2016 From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 12:44:00 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Message sent to Suresh (baypiggies meetup) In-Reply-To: References: <20160115051811.GA5119@panix.com> <5698BA29.9050005@alluvialsw.com> <852FA863-60B7-484F-82B0-FDC70330CFDB@well.com> Message-ID: I beleive he meant to use the work "Prig" which is more commonly used by the english than americans. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prig one who offends or irritates by observance of proprieties (as of speech or manners) in a pointed manner or to an obnoxious degree I'm 90% sure it's meant to be offensive.. On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 8:19 PM, Marilyn Davis wrote: > I wondered what the "RIG" was. It had me lol: > > Rigorous Indulgence Group > > what a scam! Hero? Hah! > > +1 for doing whatever you can. > > Marilyn Davis > > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 3:49 PM, David Knupp wrote: > >> The problem is worse than people misreading the URL. The original URL now >> simply redirects to Suresh?s group: >> >> # original URL >> >>> url = 'http://www.meetup.com/baypiggies/' >> >>> tree = lxml.html.parse(url) >> >>> tree.find('.//title').text >> 'Bay Area Python 3.x Rigorous Indulgence Group (BayPRIGgies) (Palo Alto, >> CA)\n\n\n- Meetup' >> >> >> # new URL >> >>> url = 'http://www.meetup.com/baypriggies/' >> >>> tree = lxml.html.parse(url) >> >>> tree.find('.//title').text >> 'Bay Area Python 3.x Rigorous Indulgence Group (BayPRIGgies) (Palo Alto, >> CA)\n\n\n- Meetup? >> >> >> On Jan 15, 2016, at 9:39 AM, Tony Cappellini wrote: >> >> >>Suresh has changed the name of his meetup to BayPRIGgies which has the >> new url: >> Well, I'm sure that people will misread that from time to time as >> Baypiggies. >> Surely he can come up with a better naming convention >> >> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 7:25 AM, Bernd wrote: >> >>> Suresh has changed the name of his meetup to BayPRIGgies which has the >>> new url: >>> >>> http://www.meetup.com/BayPRIGgies/ >>> >>> and added the following to the top of the groups home page: >>> >>> Disclaimer: >>>> >>>> We have nothing to do with the previous decades' organizations bearing >>>> the name BayPIGgies and the associated website or email. >>>> >>> >>> This should allow us to recover our groups url and past meetups with the >>> help of meetup tech support. >>> We would have to create a new meetup group for BayPIGgies. >>> >>> I understand that this is certainly not an ideal route. However I this >>> might be our easiest route right now. >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> Thanks, Bernd >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Baypiggies mailing list >>> Baypiggies at python.org >>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I want to see suggestions on how to enhance both the presentation and the syntax in the examples. Thanks, Dan Bikle bikle101 at gmail On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote: > The Bay Area Python Interest Group (BayPIGgies - http://baypiggies.net/) > is one of the oldest Python groups and is an institution. It was the first > Python Group that I ever went to -- the community made me a much better > programmer. > > I am sending this on their behalf: > > > > Despite Popular rumor, BayPIGgies is very much alive. > > *Organizers* > > Glen Jarvis has agreed to be temporary organizer and will continue to do > so until things have stabilized. Jeff Fischer has volunteered to > co-organize and will be co-organizing the February MeetUp. Seven additional > volunteers have stepped up to the plate to help keep BayPIGgies running. > > > *Location* > > We are in communication with LinkedIn for continuing our meetings there. > We have two other companies volunteer to give us space if they can and if > the LinkedIn arrangement can't be met: SAP and Intel. > > > *Calendar* > > We have the following dates scheduled. We still have five slots to fill. > What talk would you like to see? What talk would you like to give? > > 28-Jan Glen Jarvis - Explore Git internals using Python > > 25-Feb > > 24-Mar Matt Savage () / Python<->VR (If agreed to do it for BayPIGgies > instead of Silicon Valley Python and if confirm date) > > 28-Apr > > 26-May PyCon Practice Talks > > 23-June > > 28-July Glen Jarvis - Join Forces: Python meet Ruby; Ruby meet Python > > 25-Aug > > 22-Sep > > 27-Oct > > > *MeetUp* > > Although there has been drama around the recently used MeetUp site, we > still have access to and are being hosted by the Silicon Valley Python > MeetUp (http://www.meetup.com/silicon-valley-python/). There is access to > 3,773 Pythonistas -- Over three times the size of the site that is in > contention. The Silicon Valley Python MeetUp has agreed to cross-post for > us until the MeetUp problems that we have encountered have been fixed. > > *Fee Refunds* > > The Bay Area Python Group (BayPIGgies) *never* charged membership dues > and do not intend to do so. > > We have corporate sponsorship of refunds for those who have mistakenly > paid membership dues to the now sequestered MeetUp site. The refund > donation was given by the RockIt Recruiting firm ( > http://www.rockitrecruiting.com/) -- the firm that I always use because > they completely understand the Open Source community and because they are > the most ethical recruiting firm that I have ever encountered. Please send > an email to glen at glenjarvis.com to start the claim. > > > RockIT gave this statement: > > > As a proponent of networking, technology, transparency, and the Silicon > Valley startup community, RockIT Recruiting > would like to do our part to support > the Bay PIGgies community. > > We heard that some members mistakenly joined the now-named Bay PRIGgies > meetup group and were charged a membership fee. RockIT is offering $500* > to reimburse those who mistakenly joined the group but were trying to join > the original BayPIGgies community. > > *If the full amount isn't claimed for reimbursement, we will donate the > remainder for beer/food at the next Bay PIGgies Meetup event. > > > > > > > -- > Please Note: If you hit "*REPLY*", your message will be sent to *everyone* > on this mailing list (silicon-valley-python-list at meetup.com) > This message was sent by Meetup on behalf of Glen Jarvis > from Silicon > Valley Python Meetup . > To report this message or block the sender, please click here > > To unsubscribe from special announcements from your Organizer(s), click > here > > > Meetup, POB 4668 #37895 NY NY USA 10163 <#-1495191327_> | > support at meetup.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kd at karend.net Sat Jan 16 17:27:41 2016 From: kd at karend.net (Karen Dalton) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 14:27:41 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Message sent to Suresh (baypiggies meetup) In-Reply-To: References: <20160115051811.GA5119@panix.com> <5698BA29.9050005@alluvialsw.com> <852FA863-60B7-484F-82B0-FDC70330CFDB@well.com> Message-ID: I similarly and immediately interpreted it to be an intentional derogatory reference. For a person painting themselves as a "hero" there are so many un-heroic things being done by that person. -Karen > On Jan 16, 2016, at 12:44 PM, William Deegan wrote: > > I beleive he meant to use the work "Prig" which is more commonly used by the english than americans. > > http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prig > one who offends or irritates by observance of proprieties (as of speech or manners) in a pointed manner or to an obnoxious degree > > I'm 90% sure it's meant to be offensive.. > >> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 8:19 PM, Marilyn Davis wrote: >> I wondered what the "RIG" was. It had me lol: >> >> Rigorous Indulgence Group >> >> what a scam! Hero? Hah! >> >> +1 for doing whatever you can. >> >> Marilyn Davis >> >> >>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 3:49 PM, David Knupp wrote: >>> The problem is worse than people misreading the URL. The original URL now simply redirects to Suresh?s group: >>> >>> # original URL >>> >>> url = 'http://www.meetup.com/baypiggies/' >>> >>> tree = lxml.html.parse(url) >>> >>> tree.find('.//title').text >>> 'Bay Area Python 3.x Rigorous Indulgence Group (BayPRIGgies) (Palo Alto, CA)\n\n\n- Meetup' >>> >>> >>> # new URL >>> >>> url = 'http://www.meetup.com/baypriggies/' >>> >>> tree = lxml.html.parse(url) >>> >>> tree.find('.//title').text >>> 'Bay Area Python 3.x Rigorous Indulgence Group (BayPRIGgies) (Palo Alto, CA)\n\n\n- Meetup? >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 15, 2016, at 9:39 AM, Tony Cappellini wrote: >>>> >>>> >>Suresh has changed the name of his meetup to BayPRIGgies which has the new url: >>>> Well, I'm sure that people will misread that from time to time as Baypiggies. >>>> Surely he can come up with a better naming convention >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 7:25 AM, Bernd wrote: >>>>> Suresh has changed the name of his meetup to BayPRIGgies which has the new url: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.meetup.com/BayPRIGgies/ >>>>> >>>>> and added the following to the top of the groups home page: >>>>> >>>>>> Disclaimer: >>>>>> >>>>>> We have nothing to do with the previous decades' organizations bearing the name BayPIGgies and the associated website or email. >>>>> >>>>> This should allow us to recover our groups url and past meetups with the help of meetup tech support. >>>>> We would have to create a new meetup group for BayPIGgies. >>>>> >>>>> I understand that this is certainly not an ideal route. However I this might be our easiest route right now. >>>>> >>>>> What do you think? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, Bernd >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Baypiggies mailing list >>>>> Baypiggies at python.org >>>>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Baypiggies mailing list >>>> Baypiggies at python.org >>>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Baypiggies mailing list >>> Baypiggies at python.org >>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aahz at pythoncraft.com Sat Jan 16 23:36:18 2016 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 20:36:18 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Reminder: Subscribe to BayPIGgies! Message-ID: <20160117043618.GA24956@panix.com> I've noticed a recent uptick in moderated posts. The solution is simple: subscribe to BayPIGgies from *ALL* the e-mail addresses you use regularly. Then set all but one to "nomail" to avoid multiple copies of posts. Otherwise you'll get an unpredictable wait period until the list receives your deathless prose, because BayPIGgies (like most lists these days) requires a subscription for letting posts through automatically. -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection." --Butler Lampson From stripes at tigerlair.com Sun Jan 17 01:09:18 2016 From: stripes at tigerlair.com (stripes) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 01:09:18 -0500 Subject: [Baypiggies] Message sent to Suresh (baypiggies meetup) In-Reply-To: <19035.24.7.60.89.1452876758.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> References: <20160115051811.GA5119@panix.com> <5698BA29.9050005@alluvialsw.com> <19035.24.7.60.89.1452876758.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> Message-ID: <20160117060918.GD10985@tigerlair.com> I've been lurking on these threads. Whadda jerk. I hope you guys get your meetup stuff back. If you need someone to vouch for you, I'll be sure to as well. -Anne On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 08:52:38AM -0800, Martin Falatic wrote: > It's a big step in the right direction! That said, it'd be a shame if we > can't contact or re-add those who were members of the meetup prior to > change of ownership and fee model that made many leave in droves (either > by lapsing or actively departing). However, hopefully many of these people > are also on the SV Python Meetup and can be pinged via that group to let > them know that they are welcome back. > > It's also sad for all those who forked over their annual fees not > realizing it wasn't going to support the real BayPIGgies (I don't plan to > stick around with "BayPRIGgies" once this is settled so I'll be seeing > about a refund there.) > > - Marty > > > On Fri, January 15, 2016 07:25, Bernd wrote: > > Suresh has changed the name of his meetup to BayPRIGgies which has the > > new url: > > > > > > http://www.meetup.com/BayPRIGgies/ > > > > > > and added the following to the top of the groups home page: > > > > Disclaimer: > > > >> > >> We have nothing to do with the previous decades' organizations bearing > >> the name BayPIGgies and the associated website or email. > >> > > > > This should allow us to recover our groups url and past meetups with the > > help of meetup tech support. We would have to create a new meetup group for > > BayPIGgies. > > > > > > I understand that this is certainly not an ideal route. However I this > > might be our easiest route right now. > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > Thanks, Bernd > > _______________________________________________ > > Baypiggies mailing list > > Baypiggies at python.org > > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -- You can fool some of (\`--/') _ _______ .-r-. the people some of the time >.~.\ `` ` `,`,`. ,'_'~`. but the internet make it a more (v_," ; `,-\ ; : ; \/,-~) \ efficent process. `--'_..),-/ ' ' '_.>-' )`.`.__.') stripes at tigerlair dot com ((,((,__..'~~~~~~((,__..' `-..-'fL From dan at bot4.us Sun Jan 17 04:12:03 2016 From: dan at bot4.us (Dan Bikle) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 09:12:03 +0000 Subject: [Baypiggies] SVP-Meetup ... Message-ID: I think any effort spent on Suresh is wasted effort. I dealt with Suresh during the past few days and I learned that communication with him is a waste of time. I'd prefer members to focus on making SVP-Meetup better. Eventually barprigies will die on the vine. Suresh refers to his members as APEs. I doubt APEs will continue paying Suresh. I like Bill's idea of getting the old userlist but I wonder about the details associated with getting them joined to SVP-Meetup. I can see some reasons why meetup.com might be reluctant to give that list to Bill. Perhaps the way forward is to 'Get the word out'. Through that action perhaps SVP-Meetup will have a large, active community. -Dan Bikle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmcinerney at hotmail.com Sun Jan 17 04:28:32 2016 From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 01:28:32 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] SVP-Meetup ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: From: dan at bot4.us >I like Bill's idea of getting the old userlist but I wonder about the details associated with getting them joined to SVP-Meetup. >I can see some reasons why meetup.com might be reluctant to give that list to Bill. It was actually my idea, Dan, I posted early Wed morning. I read around a bit on unregistered trademark, Meetup hostile takeovers, Meetup TOS and whether we have grounds to send a legal letter to Meetup. Forget about Suresh, let's assume he ignores us.We may well be able to compel Meetup to give us our Meetup back. It's certainly worth trying. We may also be able to compel Suresh to refund every penny of the dues he gathered by using the name BayPIGgies. That's also certainly worth trying. IMO. And even if both of those failed, we'd still want to compel Suresh to change his group's name to not be confusable with BayPIGgies. >I'd prefer members to focus on making SVP-Meetup better. We don't need to involve everyone in every communication and every decision. We only needed to form a consensus on how to react. Glen & Bill: please let us know what happens next, if you know? Stephen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glen at glenjarvis.com Sun Jan 17 12:02:45 2016 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 09:02:45 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] SVP-Meetup ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dan, I agree very much with your sentiment. If I were bitten by a snake, I may be tempted to panic -- to run to get help. It's a natural instinct. But, the wiser thing to do is to stop and think, slow circulation to the wound, and remove as much poison from the wound as possible so that it doesn't spread. It is natural for us to focus on what we lost. But, it's wiser for us to focus on all that we still have and rebuilding our community. For what it is worth, I now have access to the MeetUp login account that created this MeetUp. We no longer are organizer of the http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/ because we did not pay our membership fees on 15-December. Suresh automatically became organizer as he has been a co-organizer since 22-July. Since we want to move forward with a MeetUp for the group, I have paid the dues out of my own pocket and will work at getting this reimbursed from the Python Software Foundation. As I am the person who donated the MeetUp originally, the person who is now in control of that MeetUp account (but not the MeetUp we created), and the person who has access to the email account used to create the MeetUp account, I am the best person to work with the MeetUp teams to see what should be done. I am doing the best that I can to sort out this problem. Since we didn't pay our dues and weren't proactive in the situation, it's not as cut and dry as one originally would think. We have emails warning us that we were going to lose the ability to control the MeetUp group and we ignored them. But know that I am actively working on it and am in communication with MeetUp. And, more importantly, let's focus on rebuilding our thriving community. I also have access to 3,772 Pythonistas from my own MeetUp (The Silicon Valley Python MeetUp). We've cross posted to BayPIGgies before for quite a while. So, there is a common user base between the groups. Our next meeting in less than two weeks already has 120 going and 44 on the wait list -- more than than room capacity until we know what room we get at LinkedIn. We could easily completely fill the Neon Carrot meeting room past capacity. Thank you for sharing your sentiment today, Dan. It was very helpful. Cheers, Glen On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 1:12 AM, Dan Bikle wrote: > I think any effort spent on Suresh is wasted effort. > > I dealt with Suresh during the past few days and I learned that > communication with him is a waste of time. > > I'd prefer members to focus on making SVP-Meetup better. > > Eventually barprigies will die on the vine. > > Suresh refers to his members as APEs. > > I doubt APEs will continue paying Suresh. > > I like Bill's idea of getting the old userlist but I wonder about the > details associated with getting them joined to SVP-Meetup. > > I can see some reasons why meetup.com might be reluctant to give that > list to Bill. > > Perhaps the way forward is to 'Get the word out'. > > Through that action perhaps SVP-Meetup will have a large, active community. > > -Dan Bikle > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Machines take me by surprise with great frequency. --Alan Turing +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simeonf at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 12:09:22 2016 From: simeonf at gmail.com (Simeon Franklin) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 09:09:22 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] SVP-Meetup ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: SF Python Meetup has ~7k members on its mailing list. I'd be glad to also send an email announcement to our members alerting them to the situation. I know there are many people (like Stephen) who've participated in and supported both groups... On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 1:28 AM, Stephen wrote: > From: dan at bot4.us > > > >I like Bill's idea of getting the old userlist but I wonder about the > details associated with getting them joined to SVP-Meetup. > > >I can see some reasons why meetup.com might be reluctant to give that > list to Bill. > > It was actually my idea, Dan, I posted early Wed morning. I read around a > bit on unregistered trademark, Meetup hostile takeovers, Meetup TOS and > whether we have grounds to send a legal letter to Meetup. > > Forget about Suresh, let's assume he ignores us. > We may well be able to compel Meetup to give us our Meetup back. It's > certainly worth trying. > > We may also be able to compel Suresh to refund every penny of the dues he > gathered by using the name BayPIGgies. That's also certainly worth trying. > IMO. > > And even if both of those failed, we'd still want to compel Suresh to > change his group's name to not be confusable with BayPIGgies. > > >I'd prefer members to focus on making SVP-Meetup better. > > We don't need to involve everyone in every communication and every > decision. We only needed to form a consensus on how to react. Glen & Bill: > please let us know what happens next, if you know? > > Stephen > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bill at baddogconsulting.com Sun Jan 17 12:18:56 2016 From: bill at baddogconsulting.com (Bill Deegan) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 09:18:56 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] SVP-Meetup ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Simeon, That seems worthwhile. Because though the name of the group has now been changed to baypriggies, some people may have paid thinking baypiggies (the user group) was going to start charging. Ideally they'd ask meetup.com for a refund if that's the case, though as you may have seen Glen has arranged a sponsor to refund (up to some limited $ amount) those same people. -Bill On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Simeon Franklin wrote: > SF Python Meetup has ~7k members on its mailing list. I'd be glad to also > send an email announcement to our members alerting them to the situation. I > know there are many people (like Stephen) who've participated in and > supported both groups... > > On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 1:28 AM, Stephen wrote: > >> From: dan at bot4.us >> >> >> >I like Bill's idea of getting the old userlist but I wonder about the >> details associated with getting them joined to SVP-Meetup. >> >> >I can see some reasons why meetup.com might be reluctant to give that >> list to Bill. >> >> It was actually my idea, Dan, I posted early Wed morning. I read around a >> bit on unregistered trademark, Meetup hostile takeovers, Meetup TOS and >> whether we have grounds to send a legal letter to Meetup. >> >> Forget about Suresh, let's assume he ignores us. >> We may well be able to compel Meetup to give us our Meetup back. It's >> certainly worth trying. >> >> We may also be able to compel Suresh to refund every penny of the dues he >> gathered by using the name BayPIGgies. That's also certainly worth trying. >> IMO. >> >> And even if both of those failed, we'd still want to compel Suresh to >> change his group's name to not be confusable with BayPIGgies. >> >> >I'd prefer members to focus on making SVP-Meetup better. >> >> We don't need to involve everyone in every communication and every >> decision. We only needed to form a consensus on how to react. Glen & Bill: >> please let us know what happens next, if you know? >> >> Stephen >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glen at glenjarvis.com Sun Jan 17 12:47:44 2016 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 09:47:44 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] SVP-Meetup ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Simeon Franklin wrote: > SF Python Meetup has ~7k members on its mailing list. I'd be glad to also > send an email announcement to our members alerting them to the situation. I > know there are many people (like Stephen) who've participated in and > supported both groups... > That would be awesome Simeon. Here is the email that I had composed for the Silicon Valley Python MeetUp group to do the same thing: http://www.meetup.com/silicon-valley-python/messages/boards/thread/49519241 Note the speaking schedule has changed since the above was written. We've filled more slots and Jan/Feb are being shuffled to accommodate speaker's preferences (I can move my slot to another time): 28-Jan WAITING CONFIRMATION: Was: Glen Jarvis - Explore Git internals using Python CONFIRMED 25-Feb WAITING CONFIRMATION 24-Mar Matt Savage () / Python<->VR CONFIRMED 28-Apr Daniel Mizyrycki 26-May PyCon Practice Talks 23-Jun 28-July Glen Jarvis - Join Forces: Python meet Ruby; Ruby meet Python 25-Aug 22-Sep 27-Oct Thanks for the support Simeon. It's an honor to work in the open source community where we support each other in ways like this. Kindest Regards, Glen Jarvis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmcinerney at hotmail.com Sun Jan 17 13:32:27 2016 From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 10:32:27 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] SVP-Meetup ... In-Reply-To: References: , , , Message-ID: For Jun, do we want to do a PyCon 2016 video watching? (Sat Jun 11/18)This wouldn't take up the fourth-Thursday talk slot, we found 4-8 hours on a Saturdayseemed to be preferred best. Glen's suggestion on format was that we vote in advance(SurveyMonkey) on which videos people most wantedto watch, then make a schedule.People can split into separate groups to watch different videos/discuss/hack/chat. If we get +1s, I volunteer to find venue (free, wifi, allows us bringing food/pizza in, near Caltrain).(I previously found an awesome corporate venue in Sunnnyvale for this back in 2013 but theevent didn't happen, and that particular venue is no longer available. But I know ofsome others.) Any +1's to a PyCon 2016 video watching on Jun 11 or 18? Stephen Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 09:47:44 -0800 Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] SVP-Meetup ... From: glen at glenjarvis.com To: simeonf at gmail.com CC: spmcinerney at hotmail.com; baypiggies at python.org On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Simeon Franklin wrote: SF Python Meetup has ~7k members on its mailing list. I'd be glad to also send an email announcement to our members alerting them to the situation. I know there are many people (like Stephen) who've participated in and supported both groups... That would be awesome Simeon. Here is the email that I had composed for the Silicon Valley Python MeetUp group to do the same thing: http://www.meetup.com/silicon-valley-python/messages/boards/thread/49519241 Note the speaking schedule has changed since the above was written. We've filled more slots and Jan/Feb are being shuffled to accommodate speaker's preferences (I can move my slot to another time): 28-Jan WAITING CONFIRMATION: Was: Glen Jarvis - Explore Git internals using Python CONFIRMED 25-Feb WAITING CONFIRMATION 24-Mar Matt Savage () / Python<->VR CONFIRMED 28-Apr Daniel Mizyrycki 26-May PyCon Practice Talks 23-Jun 28-July Glen Jarvis - Join Forces: Python meet Ruby; Ruby meet Python 25-Aug 22-Sep 27-Oct Thanks for the support Simeon. It's an honor to work in the open source community where we support each other in ways like this. Kindest Regards, Glen Jarvis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glen at glenjarvis.com Sun Jan 17 14:27:14 2016 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 11:27:14 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] SVP-Meetup ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Stephen wrote: > For Jun, do we want to do a PyCon 2016 video watching? (Sat Jun 11/18) > This wouldn't take up the fourth-Thursday talk slot, we found 4-8 hours > on a Saturday > seemed to be preferred best. Glen's suggestion on format was that we vote > in advance > (SurveyMonkey) on which videos people most wanted > to watch, then make a schedule. > People can split into separate groups to watch different > videos/discuss/hack/chat. > You know I love these ideas :) They are things that I did through my own MeetUp years ago. I love the format of taking the best PyCon videos and sharing them with the group. As you pointed out, it doesn't really work for the BayPIGgies fourth-Thursday slots - so, not a typical BayPIGgies thing. But, not to fret -- I am going to PyCon this year and I'd be happy to do the same thing again. It was always fun for me to have a big "Saturday movie fest" with Pizza and chilling out watching the best talks and chatting. If we get +1s, I volunteer to find venue (free, wifi, allows us bringing > food/pizza in, near Caltrain). > (I previously found an awesome corporate venue in Sunnnyvale for this back > in 2013 but the > event didn't happen, and that particular venue is no longer available. > But I know of > some others.) > > Any +1's to a PyCon 2016 video watching on Jun 11 or 18? > I hate to block such a good idea -- cuz it's one I obviously support :) But, my personal vote is: -1 BayPIGgies has been through enough upheaval lately. Let's get back to our consistent routine of 4th-thursdays and back on track. HOWEVER, if you and I want to throw a party on those days (Jun 11 or 18) outside of BayPIGgies and then invite all of those from BayPIGgies, then everyone would be invited. And, it would be fun. If possible, can we take that conversation off-list? You and I can chat and come up with some goodness. I know the Silicon Vally Python MeetUp group would happily sponsor the event. I can even get a big sponsorship for Pizza :) Cheers, Glen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glen at glenjarvis.com Sun Jan 17 15:51:25 2016 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 12:51:25 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Please update baypiggies.net Message-ID: I'm sorry for the last minute change. We have another speaker to present. This is a load off of my mind because, for some strange reason, it's been a bit busy and it's been hard to find time to write slides for the talk that I was going to give ;) David Clark has done an incredible talk that he wants to give. So, I yielded my spot to him. This is the talk that we will have in January (I'm working on getting a bio -- so hold on for another update :) http://www.meetup.com/silicon-valley-python/events/228104282/ Using Python to Analyze Datacubes in Astronomy Abstract: In this talk, I will discuss how I used Python to extract scientific information from a data cube. I used the astronomical instrument, NIFS (Near-Infrared Integral Field Spectrometer), on the 8-m Gemini North telescope in Hawaii to acquire observations of the stunning, hourglass planetary nebula, HB 12. This instrument spreads light out into a spectrum over a small region of the sky. The output data is in the form of a data cube, with sky coordinates along the x and y directions and wavelength along the z direction. Spectra of planetary nebulae are important for understanding their structure and composition. I will discuss the Python scripts I used to analyze these data. Additionally, this talk will also cover the plotting library APLpy, which can be used to make publication quality figures. Speaker: David Clark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bdbaddog at gmail.com Sun Jan 17 16:46:42 2016 From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 13:46:42 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Please update baypiggies.net In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Updated. Let me know when you have Bio available, and I'll update the page. On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote: > I'm sorry for the last minute change. We have another speaker to present. > This is a load off of my mind because, for some strange reason, it's been a > bit busy and it's been hard to find time to write slides for the talk that > I was going to give ;) > > > David Clark has done an incredible talk that he wants to give. So, I > yielded my spot to him. This is the talk that we will have in January (I'm > working on getting a bio -- so hold on for another update :) > > > http://www.meetup.com/silicon-valley-python/events/228104282/ > > Using Python to Analyze Datacubes in Astronomy > > Abstract: > In this talk, I will discuss how I used Python to extract scientific > information from a data cube. I used the astronomical instrument, NIFS > (Near-Infrared Integral Field Spectrometer), on the 8-m Gemini North > telescope in Hawaii to acquire observations of the stunning, hourglass > planetary nebula, HB 12. This instrument spreads light out into a spectrum > over a small region of the sky. The output data is in the form of a data > cube, with sky coordinates along the x and y directions and wavelength > along the z direction. Spectra of planetary nebulae are important for > understanding their structure and composition. I will discuss the Python > scripts I used to analyze these data. Additionally, this talk will also > cover the plotting library APLpy, which can be used to make publication > quality figures. > > > Speaker: > > David Clark > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glen at glenjarvis.com Sun Jan 17 19:01:07 2016 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 16:01:07 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] 2016 Speakers Schedule Message-ID: Here is the current draft of the BAyPIGgies Speakers schedule for 2016. Note that I processed these in FIFO order for fairness. We do have some requests for shuffling; however, the owner of that slot will have to agree before we can swap. I will yield or swap my slots for anyone if it makes scheduling easier. Please let me know if I have made any mistakes: 28-Jan David Clark Using Python to Analyze Datacubes in Astronomy 25-Feb Dan Bikle Predicting the Stock Market with Python 24-Mar Matt Savage () / Python<->VR CONFIRMED 28-Apr Suman Chakravartula / Rockstor 26-May PyCon Practice Talks / Daniel Mizyrycki <== Requested to swap with Rockstar [only if Rockstor agrees] 23-Jun Glen Jarvis - Explore Git internals using Python 28-July 25-Aug 22-Sep 27-Oct Glen Jarvis - Join Forces: Python meet Ruby; Ruby meet Python Nov - Date not planned / Will plan closer to holidays Dec - Date not planned / Will plan closer to holidays -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmcinerney at hotmail.com Sun Jan 17 20:58:14 2016 From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 17:58:14 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] SVP-Meetup ... In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , Message-ID: Glen, I was specifically suggesting that we do a PyCon video watchingon Sat Jun 11/18 and *not* disrupt the regular fourth-Thursday talkscheduled. So I take it you did +1 me doing this on a Saturday.I was volunteering to find a venue once again. So far I got zero response from anyone else.If I don't get any +1's, I will not look into this.If we get a quorum (10 people?) I will look into it.Either way I will take it offlist. Going twice...? Stephen Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 11:27:14 -0800 Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] SVP-Meetup ... From: glen at glenjarvis.com To: spmcinerney at hotmail.com CC: simeonf at gmail.com; baypiggies at python.org On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Stephen wrote: For Jun, do we want to do a PyCon 2016 video watching? (Sat Jun 11/18)This wouldn't take up the fourth-Thursday talk slot, we found 4-8 hours on a Saturdayseemed to be preferred best. Glen's suggestion on format was that we vote in advance(SurveyMonkey) on which videos people most wantedto watch, then make a schedule.People can split into separate groups to watch different videos/discuss/hack/chat. You know I love these ideas :) They are things that I did through my own MeetUp years ago. I love the format of taking the best PyCon videos and sharing them with the group. As you pointed out, it doesn't really work for the BayPIGgies fourth-Thursday slots - so, not a typical BayPIGgies thing. But, not to fret -- I am going to PyCon this year and I'd be happy to do the same thing again. It was always fun for me to have a big "Saturday movie fest" with Pizza and chilling out watching the best talks and chatting. If we get +1s, I volunteer to find venue (free, wifi, allows us bringing food/pizza in, near Caltrain).(I previously found an awesome corporate venue in Sunnnyvale for this back in 2013 but theevent didn't happen, and that particular venue is no longer available. But I know ofsome others.) Any +1's to a PyCon 2016 video watching on Jun 11 or 18? I hate to block such a good idea -- cuz it's one I obviously support :) But, my personal vote is: -1 BayPIGgies has been through enough upheaval lately. Let's get back to our consistent routine of 4th-thursdays and back on track. HOWEVER, if you and I want to throw a party on those days (Jun 11 or 18) outside of BayPIGgies and then invite all of those from BayPIGgies, then everyone would be invited. And, it would be fun. If possible, can we take that conversation off-list? You and I can chat and come up with some goodness. I know the Silicon Vally Python MeetUp group would happily sponsor the event. I can even get a big sponsorship for Pizza :) Cheers, Glen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I will look into it. > Either way I will take it offlist. > > Going twice...? > > Stephen > > ------------------------------ > Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 11:27:14 -0800 > Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] SVP-Meetup ... > From: glen at glenjarvis.com > To: spmcinerney at hotmail.com > CC: simeonf at gmail.com; baypiggies at python.org > > > On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Stephen wrote: > > For Jun, do we want to do a PyCon 2016 video watching? (Sat Jun 11/18) > This wouldn't take up the fourth-Thursday talk slot, we found 4-8 hours > on a Saturday > seemed to be preferred best. Glen's suggestion on format was that we vote > in advance > (SurveyMonkey) on which videos people most wanted > to watch, then make a schedule. > People can split into separate groups to watch different > videos/discuss/hack/chat. > > > You know I love these ideas :) They are things that I did through my own > MeetUp years ago. I love the format of taking the best PyCon videos and > sharing them with the group. As you pointed out, it doesn't really work for > the BayPIGgies fourth-Thursday slots - so, not a typical BayPIGgies thing. > > But, not to fret -- I am going to PyCon this year and I'd be happy to do > the same thing again. It was always fun for me to have a big "Saturday > movie fest" with Pizza and chilling out watching the best talks and > chatting. > > If we get +1s, I volunteer to find venue (free, wifi, allows us bringing > food/pizza in, near Caltrain). > (I previously found an awesome corporate venue in Sunnnyvale for this back > in 2013 but the > event didn't happen, and that particular venue is no longer available. > But I know of > some others.) > > Any +1's to a PyCon 2016 video watching on Jun 11 or 18? > > > I hate to block such a good idea -- cuz it's one I obviously support :) > > But, my personal vote is: > > -1 > > BayPIGgies has been through enough upheaval lately. Let's get back to our > consistent routine of 4th-thursdays and back on track. > > HOWEVER, if you and I want to throw a party on those days (Jun 11 or 18) > outside of BayPIGgies and then invite all of those from BayPIGgies, then > everyone would be invited. And, it would be fun. > > If possible, can we take that conversation off-list? You and I can chat > and come up with some goodness. I know the Silicon Vally Python MeetUp > group would happily sponsor the event. I can even get a big sponsorship for > Pizza :) > > > Cheers, > > > Glen > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- OpenPGP: https://hasan.d8u.us/gpg.key Sent from my mobile device Envoy? de mon portable -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cappy2112 at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 13:05:38 2016 From: cappy2112 at gmail.com (Tony Cappellini) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 10:05:38 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] boost-python Message-ID: Do we have any boost-python users on the list? Thanks Tony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From venkat83 at gmail.com Mon Jan 18 22:54:11 2016 From: venkat83 at gmail.com (Venkatraman S) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 09:24:11 +0530 Subject: [Baypiggies] boost-python In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I used them around 2008. The library was extremely useful to build *really* fast apps - used c++ for number crunching and the business flow was in py. Had tried my hands with both embedding and extending and it was good. Debugging although was a pain! -Venkat On Jan 18, 2016 11:35 PM, "Tony Cappellini" wrote: > > Do we have any boost-python users on the list? > > Thanks > > Tony > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glen at glenjarvis.com Tue Jan 19 16:23:57 2016 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 13:23:57 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Suresh, I want to help you build your MeetUp community Message-ID: (Please forward to Suresh or give me his email address so that I can send to him directly) Suresh, I want to thank you for your interest in continuing to build a Python community. One of the great things about open source is that, if we want to put our own spin on something, we can. We can fork a project, and use it as we wish. In many ways our communities have forked. I want to help you build your fork of the Python community. I want to help you increase traffic to your MeetUp. I want you to be successful in building a MeetUp with a large community. The MeetUp.com support team has given the Bay Area Python Interest Group ( http://meetup.com/BAyPIGies) link back to the Python community where governance and communication happens on this Python.org mailing list ( https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies). It is a great community where I have, many times, seen a newbie ask a question and heard it answered directly by Guido van Rossum, the creator of the Python Programming Language. However, I want to respect and help you with your effort to create a new MeetUp. I built a new MeetUp for you. I will transition it to you as organizer. I also will help you get the word out so that interested parties can sign up for your MeetUp. I did not know what name to call the group. I copied as much of the MeetUp summary and description to the new MeetUp as I could. I tried to copy the "Advanced Python Experts (APE)" over to the new MeetUp. I wasn't sure the name of the MeetUp, so I used the words that you were using in the description of "Python Code Monkeys". However, you can change the name to whatever name you want. And, the link will still redirect for you: http://www.meetup.com/Python-Code-Monkeys/ I will also use whatever link that you give me to help promote your MeetUp (if changed from above). I may not be allowed to do this via the BayPIGgies group. But, I can do it by sending emails from other groups like the Silicon Valley Python MeetUp group. And, we can ask more members of the community to help support you and bring you interested APEs. When I see you sign-up for the Python Code Monkeys site ( http://www.meetup.com/Python-Code-Monkeys/), I will transfer ownership over to you. Our community respects that we can take something that we like, and fork it and change it. That's what we can do today. I wish you the best of luck and will try, at least for a few months when I can, to help build traffic to your new MeetUp. Kindest Regards, Glen Jarvis Current Organizer Bay Area Python Interest Group (http://baypiggies.net/) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kd at karend.net Tue Jan 19 16:44:30 2016 From: kd at karend.net (Karen Dalton) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 13:44:30 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Suresh, I want to help you build your MeetUp community In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <569EAE3E.6030001@karend.net> The email he has used for this Meetup (emails sent from Meetup have this address), and another that he seems to be organizing: Suresh B. Velagapudi -Karen On 1/19/16 1:23 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote: > > (Please forward to Suresh or give me his email address so that I can > send to him directly) > > Suresh, > > > I want to thank you for your interest in continuing to build a Python > community. One of the great things about open source is that, if we > want to put our own spin on something, we can. We can fork a project, > and use it as we wish. In many ways our communities have forked. I > want to help you build your fork of the Python community. I want to > help you increase traffic to your MeetUp. I want you to be successful > in building a MeetUp with a large community. > > > The MeetUp.com support team has given the Bay Area Python Interest > Group (http://meetup.com/BAyPIGies) link back to the Python community > where governance and communication happens on this Python.org mailing > list (https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies). It is a > great community where I have, many times, seen a newbie ask a question > and heard it answered directly by Guido van Rossum, the creator of the > Python Programming Language. > > > However, I want to respect and help you with your effort to create a > new MeetUp. I built a new MeetUp for you. I will transition it to you > as organizer. I also will help you get the word out so that interested > parties can sign up for your MeetUp. > > > I did not know what name to call the group. I copied as much of the > MeetUp summary and description to the new MeetUp as I could. I tried > to copy the "Advanced Python Experts (APE)" over to the new MeetUp. I > wasn't sure the name of the MeetUp, so I used the words that you were > using in the description of "Python Code Monkeys". However, you can > change the name to whatever name you want. And, the link will still > redirect for you: > > > http://www.meetup.com/Python-Code-Monkeys/ > > > I will also use whatever link that you give me to help promote your > MeetUp (if changed from above). I may not be allowed to do this via > the BayPIGgies group. But, I can do it by sending emails from other > groups like the Silicon Valley Python MeetUp group. And, we can ask > more members of the community to help support you and bring you > interested APEs. > > > When I see you sign-up for the Python Code Monkeys site > (http://www.meetup.com/Python-Code-Monkeys/), I will transfer > ownership over to you. > > > Our community respects that we can take something that we like, and > fork it and change it. That's what we can do today. I wish you the > best of luck and will try, at least for a few months when I can, to > help build traffic to your new MeetUp. > > > Kindest Regards, > > > > Glen Jarvis > > Current Organizer > > Bay Area Python Interest Group (http://baypiggies.net/) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kd at karend.net Tue Jan 19 17:23:09 2016 From: kd at karend.net (Karen Dalton) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 14:23:09 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Trademark of the group name (common law vs. registered) Message-ID: <569EB74D.9000807@karend.net> One of the issues brought up because of the recent Meetup situation was that perhaps BayPIGgies should have a registered trademark to prevent this kind of situation in the future. I was discussing the situation over the weekend with a friend who is an established Intellectual Property lawyer in the Bay Area. I was advised that the common law trademark might be sufficient for the group's needs. From wikipedia: "The United States, Canada and other countries also recognize common law trademark rights, which means action can be taken to protect an unregistered trademark if it is in use." The advice was also that the Baypiggies group may not wish to not go through the full process of legally registering the trademark because it may take up to 2 years, costs money, and then most importantly the group would be legally obligated to continually search out and legally remedy trademark infringement in order to retain the registered trademark. Thus based on that discussion my unofficial-and-not-a-lawyer recommendation from talking to an IP lawyer unofficially would be to use what we have already, which is a common law trademark (and the "TM" symbol can be used for common law trademarks without registering). It may not confer quite as many rights but it is still enforceable and may not have the same burdens and ongoing obligations as officially registering BayPIGgies (or any camel-cased version of the group name [e.g. BAyPIGgies, Baypiggies]). Some reference info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark -Karen From glen at glenjarvis.com Tue Jan 19 22:16:54 2016 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 19:16:54 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] SVP-Meetup ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Simeon Franklin wrote: > SF Python Meetup has ~7k members on its mailing list. I'd be glad to also > send an email announcement to our members alerting them to the situation. I > know there are many people (like Stephen) who've participated in and > supported both groups... > Simeon, For what it is worth, we have been able to get this MeetUp site back: http://www.meetup.com/BAyPIGgies/ I'm leaving the non-baypiggies talk there (as it has registrants and it wouldn't be fair to them to suddenly take it down). Since the first talk is hosted on the Silicon Valley Python MeetUp site already, to avoid confusion, I'll wait to get the word out for the baypiggies MeetUp site until after 28-Jan. Then we can get the word out for the /BAyPIGgies MeetUp site for the February talk. Any help that you could give us in whatever capacity and however you think appropriate would be appreciated. Kindest Regards, Glen Jarvis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kd at karend.net Tue Jan 19 22:23:51 2016 From: kd at karend.net (Karen Dalton) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 19:23:51 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] SVP-Meetup ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <569EFDC7.5080406@karend.net> Hooray!!!! Nice work! -Karen On 1/19/16 7:16 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote: > On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Simeon Franklin > wrote: > > SF Python Meetup has ~7k members on its mailing list. I'd be glad > to also send an email announcement to our members alerting them to > the situation. I know there are many people (like Stephen) who've > participated in and supported both groups... > > > > Simeon, > > For what it is worth, we have been able to get this MeetUp site back: > > http://www.meetup.com/BAyPIGgies/ > > I'm leaving the non-baypiggies talk there (as it has registrants and > it wouldn't be fair to them to suddenly take it down). > > Since the first talk is hosted on the Silicon Valley Python MeetUp > site already, to avoid confusion, I'll wait to get the word out for > the baypiggies MeetUp site until after 28-Jan. Then we can get the > word out for the /BAyPIGgies MeetUp site for the February talk. > > Any help that you could give us in whatever capacity and however you > think appropriate would be appreciated. > > Kindest Regards, > > > Glen Jarvis > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin at falatic.com Tue Jan 19 22:29:51 2016 From: martin at falatic.com (Martin Falatic) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 19:29:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baypiggies] SVP-Meetup ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33463.24.7.60.89.1453260591.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> Great work! :-) What happened to subscription monies people paid when it went rogue? Did any of that transfer back or is it gone? I pinged Meetup yesterday about getting my money back in case this didn't get resolved successfully. I'm aware of RockIT's offer, but if we or the proper group here gets the money back it'll be a bonus. - Marty On Tue, January 19, 2016 19:16, Glen Jarvis wrote: > On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Simeon Franklin > wrote: > > >> SF Python Meetup has ~7k members on its mailing list. I'd be glad to >> also send an email announcement to our members alerting them to the >> situation. I know there are many people (like Stephen) who've >> participated in and supported both groups... >> > > > Simeon, > > > For what it is worth, we have been able to get this MeetUp site back: > > > http://www.meetup.com/BAyPIGgies/ > > > I'm leaving the non-baypiggies talk there (as it has registrants and it > wouldn't be fair to them to suddenly take it down). > > Since the first talk is hosted on the Silicon Valley Python MeetUp site > already, to avoid confusion, I'll wait to get the word out for the > baypiggies MeetUp site until after 28-Jan. Then we can get the word out > for the /BAyPIGgies MeetUp site for the February talk. > > Any help that you could give us in whatever capacity and however you > think appropriate would be appreciated. > > Kindest Regards, > > > > Glen Jarvis > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies From glen at glenjarvis.com Tue Jan 19 23:22:26 2016 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 20:22:26 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] I posted this email on the BAyPIGgies MeetUp site Message-ID: Any mistakes are my own and are genuine errors. http://www.meetup.com/BAyPIGgies/messages/boards/thread/49528127 Unfortunately, there has been a lot of confusion about this MeetUp. I would like to clarify a couple of points and also explain the reimbursements for membership fees process. The BAyPIGgies group has been around since about 2001. It's main communication is an email list [url=mailto:baypiggies at python.org] baypiggies at python.org[/url]. It is a place where, many times, I have seen a newbie ask a question and it was answered directly by Guido van Rossum, the creator of the Python Language. When I was getting too busy to help organize the group, I built and donated this MeetUp (http://www.MeetUp.com/BayPIGgies) to the group. It is a great tool, but did not replace the mailing list and community. Our governance and communication happens on the baypiggies at python.org list ( https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies). There was also a lot of confusion about the next group organizers as the previous organizers were stepping down. Around 15-December, we had not paid our MeetUp dues and we lost control of the MeetUp. We, for example, did not approve charging membership dues and did not intend to do so. We have regained control of the MeetUp group but do not have access to any funds that have been collected. However, we have not yet spoken to Suresh about it. Regardless, we have corporate sponsorship of reimbursements for some of those who have mistakenly paid membership dues and want their money back The refund donation was given by the RockIt Recruiting firm ( http://www.rockitrecruiting.com/). To claim your refund, please send documentation of your payment to Glen Jarvis (glen at glenjarvis.com). RockIT gave this statement: As a proponent of networking, technology, transparency, and the Silicon Valley startup community, RockIT Recruiting would like to do our part to support the BayPIGgies community. We heard that some members mistakenly joined the now-named Bay PRIGgies meetup group and were charged a membership fee. RockIT is offering $500* to reimburse those who mistakenly joined the group but were trying to join the original BayPIGgies community. *If the full amount isn't claimed for reimbursement, we will donate the remainder for beer/food at the next Bay PIGgies Meetup event. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glen at glenjarvis.com Wed Jan 20 01:48:48 2016 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 22:48:48 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] SVP-Meetup ... In-Reply-To: <33463.24.7.60.89.1453260591.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> References: <33463.24.7.60.89.1453260591.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> Message-ID: On Jan 19, 2016 7:29 PM, "Martin Falatic" wrote: > > Great work! :-) > > What happened to subscription monies people paid when it went rogue? The money goes to the organizer's account. We weren't the organizers at the time, so we don't have access or visibility into that money. Also, we were far from blameless in this matter. We weren't on top of our membership dues. We didn't communicate as well as we could when it came to our future direction. We (I) didn't consider the MeetUp would be considered such an important tool for our group. We didn't, for example, turn off the message list and board (initially) and direct everyone here. (I'd like return to this discussion in a few months -- after things settle down). There was a lot of confusion. For example, if someone joined the MeetUp (and not BAyPIGgies) during this time, was happy paying the dues, and wants to be part of Suresh's new group, surely Suresh's new group can keep that membership fee. Also, we don't know how much money was spent on things like reserving a place at Hacker Dojo for the events that were held there. My main focus is to be sure those who want it can get a reimbursement. > Did any of that transfer back or is it gone? All that I can tell you is we have no way of knowing without opening a dialogue with Suresh. We have no direct access to his account that was made Organizer. > I pinged Meetup yesterday about getting my money > back in case this didn't get resolved successfully. I am not certain, but I believe you had a "no refund" agreement/message when you donated. > I'm aware of RockIT's offer, but if we or the proper > group here gets the money back it'll be a bonus. I don't know what we would do with it (except refund it). All of our needs, like meeting space are met through direct donations. Cheers, Glen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin at falatic.com Wed Jan 20 03:47:59 2016 From: martin at falatic.com (Martin Falatic) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 00:47:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Baypiggies] SVP-Meetup ... In-Reply-To: References: <33463.24.7.60.89.1453260591.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> Message-ID: <44070.24.7.60.89.1453279679.squirrel@martin-wwwss5.ssl.supercp.com> No problem at all. I didn't start the main thread simply to get a refund, but rather to see things set right with the group itself. I'm just glad to see that the group is now back in the proper hands and will continue to serve the local Python community as a vibrant resource for education, collaboration, and networking. Thanks again, everyone, for getting things back on track! :-) - Marty On Tue, January 19, 2016 22:48, Glen Jarvis wrote: > On Jan 19, 2016 7:29 PM, "Martin Falatic" wrote: > >> >> Great work! :-) >> >> >> What happened to subscription monies people paid when it went rogue? >> > > The money goes to the organizer's account. We weren't the organizers at > the time, so we don't have access or visibility into that money. > > Also, we were far from blameless in this matter. We weren't on top of our > membership dues. We didn't communicate as well as we could when it came > to our future direction. We (I) didn't consider the MeetUp would be > considered such an important tool for our group. We didn't, for example, > turn off the message list and board (initially) and direct everyone here. > (I'd like > return to this discussion in a few months -- after things settle down). > > There was a lot of confusion. For example, if someone joined the MeetUp > (and not BAyPIGgies) during this time, was happy paying the dues, and > wants to be part of Suresh's new group, surely Suresh's new group can keep > that membership fee. > > Also, we don't know how much money was spent on things like reserving a > place at Hacker Dojo for the events that were held there. > > My main focus is to be sure those who want it can get a reimbursement. > > >> Did any of that transfer back or is it gone? >> > > All that I can tell you is we have no way of knowing without opening a > dialogue with Suresh. We have no direct access to his account that was > made Organizer. > > >> I pinged Meetup yesterday about getting my money >> back in case this didn't get resolved successfully. > > I am not certain, but I believe you had a "no refund" agreement/message > when you donated. > >> I'm aware of RockIT's offer, but if we or the proper >> group here gets the money back it'll be a bonus. > > I don't know what we would do with it (except refund it). All of our > needs, like meeting space are met through direct donations. > > Cheers, > > > Glen > > From jeffrey.fischer at gmail.com Wed Jan 20 23:26:47 2016 From: jeffrey.fischer at gmail.com (Jeff Fischer) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 20:26:47 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Proposal: Sublist for meeting organizing Message-ID: Hi everyone, As you know, Glen Jarvis has taken the initiative to reconstitute the BayPiggies monthly meetings and get a new set of active organizers. There has been an informal discussion happening on a private email thread to line up the next set of meetings and match responsibilities to volunteers. Currently, there are 9 participants in the thread. This approach is getting a little unwieldy, so we were thinking of creating a separate mailing list (e.g. baypiggies-organizers at python.org). This list would be available to anyone and the archives would be public. The reasons for a separate list are: 1. The people on the list are self-identifying as active volunteers and can be pressed into service as needed :-) 2. Keep some of the detailed organizing traffic (revolving mostly around the monthly meetings in Mountain View) off the main list The potential downside would be that it could splinter the group somewhat or cause people to miss out on calls for volunteers. The alternative is to have this organizational chatter directly in the main list. If you feel strongly for a sub-list, please reply and vote +1. if you feel strongly against a sub-list, please reply and vote -1. Thank you for your input! Regards, Jeff Fischer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hasan.diwan at gmail.com Wed Jan 20 23:44:49 2016 From: hasan.diwan at gmail.com (Hasan Diwan) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 20:44:49 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Proposal: Sublist for meeting organizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -1 Keep it one place -- H On 20 January 2016 at 20:26, Jeff Fischer wrote: > Hi everyone, > As you know, Glen Jarvis has taken the initiative to reconstitute the > BayPiggies monthly meetings and get a new set of active organizers. There > has been an informal discussion happening on a private email thread to line > up the next set of meetings and match responsibilities to volunteers. > Currently, there are 9 participants in the thread. > > This approach is getting a little unwieldy, so we were thinking of > creating a separate mailing list (e.g. baypiggies-organizers at python.org). > This list would be available to anyone and the archives would be public. > The reasons for a separate list are: > > 1. The people on the list are self-identifying as active volunteers > and can be pressed into service as needed :-) > 2. Keep some of the detailed organizing traffic (revolving mostly > around the monthly meetings in Mountain View) off the main list > > The potential downside would be that it could splinter the group somewhat > or cause people to miss out on calls for volunteers. The alternative is to > have this organizational chatter directly in the main list. > > If you feel strongly for a sub-list, please reply and vote +1. if you feel > strongly against a sub-list, please reply and vote -1. Thank you for your > input! > > Regards, > Jeff Fischer > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- OpenPGP: https://hasan.d8u.us/gpg.key Sent from my mobile device Envoy? de mon portable -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nicholsonjf at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 00:07:35 2016 From: nicholsonjf at gmail.com (James Nicholson) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 21:07:35 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Proposal: Sublist for meeting organizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -1 because I like reading the gossip On Wednesday, January 20, 2016, Hasan Diwan wrote: > -1 Keep it one place -- H > > On 20 January 2016 at 20:26, Jeff Fischer > wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> As you know, Glen Jarvis has taken the initiative to reconstitute the >> BayPiggies monthly meetings and get a new set of active organizers. There >> has been an informal discussion happening on a private email thread to line >> up the next set of meetings and match responsibilities to volunteers. >> Currently, there are 9 participants in the thread. >> >> This approach is getting a little unwieldy, so we were thinking of >> creating a separate mailing list (e.g. baypiggies-organizers at python.org >> ). >> This list would be available to anyone and the archives would be public. >> The reasons for a separate list are: >> >> 1. The people on the list are self-identifying as active volunteers >> and can be pressed into service as needed :-) >> 2. Keep some of the detailed organizing traffic (revolving mostly >> around the monthly meetings in Mountain View) off the main list >> >> The potential downside would be that it could splinter the group somewhat >> or cause people to miss out on calls for volunteers. The alternative is to >> have this organizational chatter directly in the main list. >> >> If you feel strongly for a sub-list, please reply and vote +1. if you >> feel strongly against a sub-list, please reply and vote -1. Thank you for >> your input! >> >> Regards, >> Jeff Fischer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > > > > -- > OpenPGP: https://hasan.d8u.us/gpg.key > Sent from my mobile device > Envoy? de mon portable > -- Sent from James' mobile telephone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glen at glenjarvis.com Thu Jan 21 00:21:41 2016 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 21:21:41 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Proposal: Sublist for meeting organizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for sending this, Jeff! I would like to make a small note. re: > reconstitute the BayPiggies monthly meetings > and get a new set of active organizers. I personally don't feel there is a "reconstitution" -- in my opinion, its just business as normal. We normally meet the fourth Thursdays of every month except for November and December due to the holidays. I remember when we would poll the group and vote what we wanted to do on those months (usually rearrange to another Thursday). Before the drama, I saw a note that we were skipping the meetings in November and December this year. In my opinion, we wouldn't need to "reconstitute" anything unless we missed our January meeting (coming up soon). (But, I admit we cut it a little fine ;) Regardless, this is a small semantic point. You rock for running with this and finding out how the group feels about another list for organizers. It's clear that we have a lot of new people who want to help and we want to give them the tools to do so. Also, I want to thank you for stepping up and being the organizer for anything to do with our February talk. Please assign any tasks to me if you need help with anything. I'm always amazed at the community at PyCon and local groups like this. To borrow from opensource.com, I think we embody: "Transparency, participation, and collaboration: The distinguishing principles of open source." Those are principles I believe in. Cheers all, Glen On Jan 20, 2016 8:26 PM, "Jeff Fischer" wrote: > Hi everyone, > As you know, Glen Jarvis has taken the initiative to reconstitute the > BayPiggies monthly meetings and get a new set of active organizers. There > has been an informal discussion happening on a private email thread to line > up the next set of meetings and match responsibilities to volunteers. > Currently, there are 9 participants in the thread. > > This approach is getting a little unwieldy, so we were thinking of > creating a separate mailing list (e.g. baypiggies-organizers at python.org). > This list would be available to anyone and the archives would be public. > The reasons for a separate list are: > > 1. The people on the list are self-identifying as active volunteers > and can be pressed into service as needed :-) > 2. Keep some of the detailed organizing traffic (revolving mostly > around the monthly meetings in Mountain View) off the main list > > The potential downside would be that it could splinter the group somewhat > or cause people to miss out on calls for volunteers. The alternative is to > have this organizational chatter directly in the main list. > > If you feel strongly for a sub-list, please reply and vote +1. if you feel > strongly against a sub-list, please reply and vote -1. Thank you for your > input! > > Regards, > Jeff Fischer > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glen at glenjarvis.com Thu Jan 21 11:10:58 2016 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 08:10:58 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Proposal: Sublist for meeting organizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My vote is +1 But only if transparent (I.e. public and archived just like baypiggies at python.org ). In fact, another @python.org list with the same settings would be preferred. This gives us a less cluttered place to discuss minutia (for example, who is doing the hangout recordings on 28-Jan, who is greeting and escorting the pythonistas to the meeting room in March, who is introducing the speaker in April, etc.) I have found its also less intimidating to neophytes who want to help. Many think they need to be a hard-core programmer to assist which isn't at all true. When the room is smaller and they know who is in the room, they feel more likely to participate. And, since its publicly archived -- all the juicy gossip is there for everyone to see :) Cheers, Glen On Jan 20, 2016 9:07 PM, "James Nicholson" wrote: > > -1 because I like reading the gossip > > > > On Wednesday, January 20, 2016, Hasan Diwan wrote: >> >> -1 Keep it one place -- H >> >> On 20 January 2016 at 20:26, Jeff Fischer wrote: >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> As you know, Glen Jarvis has taken the initiative to reconstitute the BayPiggies monthly meetings and get a new set of active organizers. There has been an informal discussion happening on a private email thread to line up the next set of meetings and match responsibilities to volunteers. Currently, there are 9 participants in the thread. >>> >>> This approach is getting a little unwieldy, so we were thinking of creating a separate mailing list (e.g. baypiggies-organizers at python.org). This list would be available to anyone and the archives would be public. The reasons for a separate list are: >>> The people on the list are self-identifying as active volunteers and can be pressed into service as needed :-) >>> Keep some of the detailed organizing traffic (revolving mostly around the monthly meetings in Mountain View) off the main list >>> The potential downside would be that it could splinter the group somewhat or cause people to miss out on calls for volunteers. The alternative is to have this organizational chatter directly in the main list. >>> >>> If you feel strongly for a sub-list, please reply and vote +1. if you feel strongly against a sub-list, please reply and vote -1. Thank you for your input! >>> >>> Regards, >>> Jeff Fischer >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Baypiggies mailing list >>> Baypiggies at python.org >>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> >> >> >> >> -- >> OpenPGP: https://hasan.d8u.us/gpg.key >> Sent from my mobile device >> Envoy? de mon portable > > > > -- > Sent from James' mobile telephone > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aahz at pythoncraft.com Thu Jan 21 11:53:16 2016 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 08:53:16 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Proposal: Sublist for meeting organizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20160121165316.GA12521@panix.com> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016, Jeff Fischer wrote: > > If you feel strongly for a sub-list, please reply and vote +1. if you feel > strongly against a sub-list, please reply and vote -1. Thank you for your > input! -1 -- if you really want a sublist, read the Mailman docs. No need to create an actual separate list. -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection." --Butler Lampson From glen at glenjarvis.com Thu Jan 21 12:45:35 2016 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 09:45:35 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Proposal: Sublist for meeting organizing In-Reply-To: <20160121165316.GA12521@panix.com> References: <20160121165316.GA12521@panix.com> Message-ID: Ok. I change my vote to -1 Aahz has convinced me (and it was originally my idea). Okay. We need to read Mailman docs... Thanks for pointing us in that direction... Glen On Jan 21, 2016 8:53 AM, "Aahz" wrote: > On Wed, Jan 20, 2016, Jeff Fischer wrote: > > > > If you feel strongly for a sub-list, please reply and vote +1. if you > feel > > strongly against a sub-list, please reply and vote -1. Thank you for your > > input! > > -1 -- if you really want a sublist, read the Mailman docs. No need to > create an actual separate list. > -- > Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> > http://www.pythoncraft.com/ > > "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of > indirection." --Butler Lampson > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shortdudey123 at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 12:50:16 2016 From: shortdudey123 at gmail.com (Grant Ridder) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 09:50:16 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Proposal: Sublist for meeting organizing In-Reply-To: References: <20160121165316.GA12521@panix.com> Message-ID: It looks like creating a sublist is more of creating an umbrella list if i am ready it right. http://www.sussex.ac.uk/its/help/faq?faqid=1222 http://wiki.list.org/DOC/What%20is%20an%20Umbrella%20list%20-%20and%20why%20doesn't%20it%20do%20what%20I%20want%3F -Grant On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Glen Jarvis wrote: > Ok. I change my vote to -1 > > Aahz has convinced me (and it was originally my idea). > > Okay. We need to read Mailman docs... > > Thanks for pointing us in that direction... > > Glen > On Jan 21, 2016 8:53 AM, "Aahz" wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016, Jeff Fischer wrote: >> > >> > If you feel strongly for a sub-list, please reply and vote +1. if you >> feel >> > strongly against a sub-list, please reply and vote -1. Thank you for >> your >> > input! >> >> -1 -- if you really want a sublist, read the Mailman docs. No need to >> create an actual separate list. >> -- >> Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> >> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ >> >> "All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of >> indirection." --Butler Lampson >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aahz at pythoncraft.com Thu Jan 21 13:47:30 2016 From: aahz at pythoncraft.com (Aahz) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:47:30 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Proposal: Sublist for meeting organizing In-Reply-To: References: <20160121165316.GA12521@panix.com> Message-ID: <20160121184730.GA29029@panix.com> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016, Grant Ridder wrote: > > It looks like creating a sublist is more of creating an umbrella list if i > am ready it right. > http://www.sussex.ac.uk/its/help/faq?faqid=1222 > http://wiki.list.org/DOC/What%20is%20an%20Umbrella%20list%20-%20and%20why%20doesn't%20it%20do%20what%20I%20want%3F Umbrella list is a separate concept. It requires creating multiple lists (exactly what I want to avoid). The term used in the Mailman docs for what I propose is "topics". http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node29.html -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "Programming language design is not a rational science. Most reasoning about it is at best rationalization of gut feelings, and at worst plain wrong." --GvR From vtuite at yahoo.com Thu Jan 21 14:27:43 2016 From: vtuite at yahoo.com (Vicky Tuite) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 19:27:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Baypiggies] Proposal: Sublist for meeting organizing In-Reply-To: <20160121184730.GA29029@panix.com> References: <20160121184730.GA29029@panix.com> Message-ID: <42850302.7039507.1453404463485.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> +1 ?separate organizers list ? ( it won't be secret, it will just reduce clutter) On Thursday, January 21, 2016 10:48 AM, Aahz wrote: On Thu, Jan 21, 2016, Grant Ridder wrote: > > It looks like creating a sublist is more of creating an umbrella list if i > am ready it right. > http://www.sussex.ac.uk/its/help/faq?faqid=1222 > http://wiki.list.org/DOC/What%20is%20an%20Umbrella%20list%20-%20and%20why%20doesn't%20it%20do%20what%20I%20want%3F Umbrella list is a separate concept.? It requires creating multiple lists (exactly what I want to avoid).? The term used in the Mailman docs for what I propose is "topics". http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node29.html -- Aahz (aahz at pythoncraft.com)? ? ? ? ? <*>? ? ? ? http://www.pythoncraft.com/ "Programming language design is not a rational science. Most reasoning about it is at best rationalization of gut feelings, and at worst plain wrong."? --GvR _______________________________________________ Baypiggies mailing list Baypiggies at python.org To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kd at karend.net Thu Jan 21 15:23:07 2016 From: kd at karend.net (Karen Dalton) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 12:23:07 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Proposal: Sublist for meeting organizing In-Reply-To: References: <20160121165316.GA12521@panix.com> Message-ID: <56A13E2B.5080808@karend.net> -1 on separate lists... if folks are worried about email clutter, an agreed upon prefix could be put in the subject line for those emails (e.g. "organizers:") if people want to set up email filters to folder them, etc. I think it is useful and informative to see the process of organizing, especially if you want more people to be part of the process over time. For some people the process of "getting more involved" in a group is big and scary because they don't know what it involves at all. There are lots of newsletters/blogs/sites/Meetups etc already... the mailing list has the possibility of being a place where there is a richer dialogue from folks in the area about Python and the experience of creating and maintaining this community. -Karen On 1/21/16 9:45 AM, Glen Jarvis wrote: > > Ok. I change my vote to -1 > > Aahz has convinced me (and it was originally my idea). > > Okay. We need to read Mailman docs... > > Thanks for pointing us in that direction... > > Glen > > On Jan 21, 2016 8:53 AM, "Aahz" > wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 20, 2016, Jeff Fischer wrote: > > > > If you feel strongly for a sub-list, please reply and vote +1. > if you feel > > strongly against a sub-list, please reply and vote -1. Thank you > for your > > input! > > -1 -- if you really want a sublist, read the Mailman docs. 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URL: From mark.weisler at gmail.com Thu Jan 21 17:34:08 2016 From: mark.weisler at gmail.com (Mark weisler) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 14:34:08 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Proposal: Sublist for meeting organizing In-Reply-To: <56A13E2B.5080808@karend.net> References: <20160121165316.GA12521@panix.com> <56A13E2B.5080808@karend.net> Message-ID: Just F.Y.I. but over at the Silicon Valley Linux Users Group (SVLUG) we use several lists: http://lists.svlug.org/lists/listinfo/listinfo/ These include ... List Description Jobs Linux and Linux-related job postings, fulltime and contract Officers Officers of the Silicon Valley Linux Users Group Smaug Smaug Discussion List Speakers Archive of the former Speakers mailing list, 2002-2005 svlug Discussion list for the Silicon Valley Linux Users Group svlug-announce Announcements relating to the Silicon Valley Linux User's Group Test [no description available] volunteers Volunteers of the Silicon Valley Linux User Group web-team These are the folks who keep our Web site running Our group is similar to yours. We have lots of discussion about finding and scheduling speakers and some of this "noise" is not of much interest to the general membership. Our 'volunteers' list does most of the work of finding speakers and this works well for us. This arrangement works well for us and I'm pointing it out in case it can be of any help to you. The credit for this arrangement goes to our early SVLUG founders such as Rick Moen. --Mark On Jan 21, 2016, at 12:23 PM, Karen Dalton wrote: > -1 on separate lists... if folks are worried about email clutter, an agreed upon prefix could be put in the subject line for those emails (e.g. "organizers:") if people want to set up email filters to folder them, etc. > > I think it is useful and informative to see the process of organizing, especially if you want more people to be part of the process over time. For some people the process of "getting more involved" in a group is big and scary because they don't know what it involves at all. > > There are lots of newsletters/blogs/sites/Meetups etc already... the mailing list has the possibility of being a place where there is a richer dialogue from folks in the area about Python and the experience of creating and maintaining this community. > > -Karen > > > On 1/21/16 9:45 AM, Glen Jarvis wrote: >> Ok. I change my vote to -1 >> >> Aahz has convinced me (and it was originally my idea). >> >> Okay. We need to read Mailman docs... >> >> Thanks for pointing us in that direction... >> Glen >> >> On Jan 21, 2016 8:53 AM, "Aahz" wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016, Jeff Fischer wrote: >> > >> > If you feel strongly for a sub-list, please reply and vote +1. if you feel >> > strongly against a sub-list, please reply and vote -1. Thank you for your >> > input! >> >> -1 -- if you really want a sublist, read the Mailman docs. 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I used the astronomical instrument, NIFS (Near-Infrared Integral Field Spectrometer), on the 8-m Gemini North telescope in Hawaii to acquire observations of the stunning, hourglass planetary nebula, HB 12. This instrument spreads light out into a spectrum over a small region of the sky. The output data is in the form of a data cube, with sky coordinates along the x and y directions and wavelength along the z direction. Spectra of planetary nebulae are important for understanding their structure and composition. I will discuss the Python scripts I used to analyze these data. Additionally, this talk will also cover the plotting library APLpy, which can be used to make publication quality figures. Speaker: David Clark has used Python extensively during his career as an astronomer. He graduated with a BA in Physics from Colby College in 2001 and received a doctorate in astronomy from the University of Florida in 2007. His Ph.D. thesis focused on a study of star cluster populations hosting black holes in a nearby galaxy. After Florida, he worked as a postdoctoral fellow and then investigator/resident astronomer for seven years at the Institute of Astronomy in Ensenada, Mexico. His accomplishments include creating a database and on-line interface for a catalog of over 600 planetary nebulae as well as studying the shapes and kinematics of planetary nebulae. Currently, he is working as a data science consultant as he transitions careers from astronomy to data science. Meetup available to register http://www.meetup.com/silicon-valley-python/events/228104282/ Meeting Schedule: - 7:30 pm Networking - 8:00 pm Presentation - 9:30 pm Event ends Location: LinkedIn 2025 Stierlin Ct., Mountain View, CA (map ) Meeting Room: Unite (Look for signs directing to building.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Most reasoning about it is at best rationalization of gut feelings, and at worst plain wrong." --GvR From markrabkin at gmail.com Fri Jan 22 16:05:23 2016 From: markrabkin at gmail.com (Mark Rabkin) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 13:05:23 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Help - Please Unsubscribe Me Message-ID: Folks, I tried unsubscribing via the given link twice. I tried emailing the list owner directly. I tried marking baypiggies as SPAM in gmail. Nothing has worked so far. Would someone please unsubscribe me from this list. Thank you. Have a great weekend! Cheers, Mark -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cal From wescpy at gmail.com Mon Jan 25 14:49:05 2016 From: wescpy at gmail.com (wesley chun) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 11:49:05 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Proposal: 2016 BayPIGgies Reboot: 28-Jan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > We have traditionally met on the fourth Thursday of every month except for > November and December because of the holidays. We did not meet on the > holidays for November and December this year. > Grace (the organizer of the SFPython Meetup) organized a joint all-Bay Area Python user group event early Dec. Since BayPIGgies doesn't get together for Nov & Dec, I'm hoping this will become an annual tradition so we can meet others in the community yet not have to wait from the end of Oct to the new year before having another meeting. Cheers, -- Wesley - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "A computer never does what you want... only what you tell it." +wesley chun : wescpy at gmail : @wescpy Python training & consulting : http://CyberwebConsulting.com "Core Python" books : http://CorePython.com Python blog: http://wescpy.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dwight_hubbard at yahoo.com Mon Jan 25 16:23:27 2016 From: dwight_hubbard at yahoo.com (Dwight Hubbard) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 21:23:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Baypiggies] Proposal: 2016 BayPIGgies Reboot: 28-Jan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1029638185.60250.1453757007660.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> I can most likely swing a 30 person classroom space at my office? (Yahoo) on Thursday and 28 Jan as well as future dates.? We have larger spaces available but I would have to check for availability. If you need speakers I'd be happy to give a talk on various projects I'm working on.? Such as running micropython on the $3 esp8266 boards. On Monday, January 25, 2016 11:49 AM, wesley chun wrote: We have traditionally met on the fourth Thursday of every month except for November and December because of the holidays. We did not meet on the holidays for November and December this year. Grace (the organizer of the SFPython Meetup) organized a joint all-Bay Area Python user group event early Dec. Since BayPIGgies doesn't get together for Nov & Dec, I'm hoping this will become an annual tradition so we can meet others in the community yet not have to wait from the end of Oct to the new year before having another meeting. Cheers,-- Wesley - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "A computer never does what you want... only what you tell it." ? ? +wesley chun : wescpy at gmail : @wescpy ? ? Python training & consulting : http://CyberwebConsulting.com ? ? "Core Python" books : http://CorePython.com ? ? Python blog: http://wescpy.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ Baypiggies mailing list Baypiggies at python.org To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeffrey.fischer at gmail.com Thu Jan 28 17:51:39 2016 From: jeffrey.fischer at gmail.com (Jeff Fischer) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:51:39 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Proposal: Sublist for meeting organizing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi everyone, Thanks for your feedback on the organizers/volunteers list proposal. Based on the feedback, we'll keep the organizing traffic on the main list. We suggest that you put the phrase [volunteers] in your subject line if you initiate a thread about organizing the monthly meetings and other volunteer-related tasks. This will let people filter the messages if desired, and potentially create a separate "topic" in the mailing list system in the future. I'm looking forward to seeing many of you at tonight's talk! Thanks, Jeff On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Jeff Fischer wrote: > Hi everyone, > As you know, Glen Jarvis has taken the initiative to reconstitute the > BayPiggies monthly meetings and get a new set of active organizers. There > has been an informal discussion happening on a private email thread to line > up the next set of meetings and match responsibilities to volunteers. > Currently, there are 9 participants in the thread. > > This approach is getting a little unwieldy, so we were thinking of > creating a separate mailing list (e.g. baypiggies-organizers at python.org). > This list would be available to anyone and the archives would be public. > The reasons for a separate list are: > > 1. The people on the list are self-identifying as active volunteers > and can be pressed into service as needed :-) > 2. Keep some of the detailed organizing traffic (revolving mostly > around the monthly meetings in Mountain View) off the main list > > The potential downside would be that it could splinter the group somewhat > or cause people to miss out on calls for volunteers. The alternative is to > have this organizational chatter directly in the main list. > > If you feel strongly for a sub-list, please reply and vote +1. if you feel > strongly against a sub-list, please reply and vote -1. Thank you for your > input! > > Regards, > Jeff Fischer > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jolson at linkedin.com Fri Jan 29 13:10:21 2016 From: jolson at linkedin.com (Joshua Olson) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:10:21 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Meetup space In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Matt, I think the issue has been settled. LinkedIn is happy to continue hosting Bay Piggies and we have confirmed that we have room available through the end of the year. Cheers, Joshua Olson On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Matt Hite wrote: > Hello, > > I noticed there was some uncertainty about meeting space for BayPiggies so > I inquired with my employer (Evernote) regarding future hosting. I've got > the green light to host an event if we ever need it. I haven't been to a > BayPiggies meetup in a bit, but I'd love to contribute what I can to the > community with regards to providing space. > > Evernote is located about a 15 minute walk from the Redwood City Caltrain > station, FWIW. Plenty of free parking for vehicle folks, along with EV > charging stations. > > If this sounds interesting, let me know! > > -M > > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spmcinerney at hotmail.com Fri Jan 29 13:16:20 2016 From: spmcinerney at hotmail.com (Stephen) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:16:20 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Meetup space In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: FYI Microsoft Azure Machine Learning may be able to host a couple of events,I am in the process of asking. Stay tuned. Many thanks to our excellent hosts at LinkedIn. Stephen Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:10:21 -0800 To: lists at beatmixed.com Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Meetup space From: baypiggies at python.org CC: baypiggies at python.org Hi Matt, I think the issue has been settled. LinkedIn is happy to continue hosting Bay Piggies and we have confirmed that we have room available through the end of the year. Cheers,Joshua Olson On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Matt Hite wrote: Hello, I noticed there was some uncertainty about meeting space for BayPiggies so I inquired with my employer (Evernote) regarding future hosting. I've got the green light to host an event if we ever need it. I haven't been to a BayPiggies meetup in a bit, but I'd love to contribute what I can to the community with regards to providing space. Evernote is located about a 15 minute walk from the Redwood City Caltrain station, FWIW. Plenty of free parking for vehicle folks, along with EV charging stations. If this sounds interesting, let me know! -M _______________________________________________ Baypiggies mailing list Baypiggies at python.org To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies _______________________________________________ Baypiggies mailing list Baypiggies at python.org To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lists at beatmixed.com Fri Jan 29 17:24:04 2016 From: lists at beatmixed.com (Matt Hite) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 14:24:04 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Meetup space In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Excellent. I've been catching up on mailing list threads and I also see SAP and Intel are plausible options, too. Anyways, I'm always here to help. Thanks, -M On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Joshua Olson wrote: > Hi Matt, > > I think the issue has been settled. LinkedIn is happy to continue hosting > Bay Piggies and we have confirmed that we have room available through the > end of the year. > > Cheers, > Joshua Olson > > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Matt Hite wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I noticed there was some uncertainty about meeting space for BayPiggies >> so I inquired with my employer (Evernote) regarding future hosting. I've >> got the green light to host an event if we ever need it. I haven't been to >> a BayPiggies meetup in a bit, but I'd love to contribute what I can to the >> community with regards to providing space. >> >> Evernote is located about a 15 minute walk from the Redwood City Caltrain >> station, FWIW. Plenty of free parking for vehicle folks, along with EV >> charging stations. >> >> If this sounds interesting, let me know! >> >> -M >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael at fandomhome.com Sat Jan 30 13:40:14 2016 From: michael at fandomhome.com (Michael R. Bernstein) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 11:40:14 -0700 Subject: [Baypiggies] Proposal: Sublist for meeting organizing In-Reply-To: <20160121184730.GA29029@panix.com> References: <20160121165316.GA12521@panix.com> <20160121184730.GA29029@panix.com> Message-ID: On Jan 21, 2016 11:47 AM, "Aahz" wrote: > > The term used in the Mailman docs for > what I propose is "topics". > > http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node29.html +1 for creating topics that will enable better filtering. Suggested topics: - organizing - meta - Michael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glen at glenjarvis.com Sat Jan 30 20:21:03 2016 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 17:21:03 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] [Organizers] How volunteers / organizers can communicate as a team Message-ID: Organizers, we have done a great job! I am sure there are things that we could have done to make our January meeting even better. So, I want to have a retrospective meeting (for those interested). But, first, we need to finalize our communication method. The BAyPIGgies group as a whole have agreed the best way for the volunteers to have discussion is in the main list (baypiggies at python.org). However, to designate that this is a volunteer/organizer thread, we will use the subject line "Organizers". This is a trick that has been used for years when email was the main way of communicating. Email filters can be used to take a certain action when the subject line has this pattern (i.e., some people may not be interested in reading the organizers thread and can filter it without reading it). So, for example, If I wanted to send an email with subject "We need an 'honest broker' for the list of organizers," the email subject should actually look like this: [Baypiggies][Organizers] We need an "honest broker" for the list of organizers In summary, 1) The email should be sent to baypiggies at python.org 2) The email subject should start with "[Baypiggies][Organizers] " I have been emailing/communicating with each of you individually. So, this may seem strange. The reason that we want to do this is so that all of the communication is in the same location (and archived). This can help future generations and our own group historians from the future find whatever information that they need. As this is our only real "official" line of communication, having all of us communicating here cuts down on a lot of confusion. If you haven't yet signed-up for the "baypiggies at python.org" list, it's very easy to do. Go to this link: https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies Fill out a few fields and click "subscribe" I will also send this email to each of you so you can learn how to communicate with us in this same place. I want to thank you again for your effort. It seems like it was a great success on all fronts. Our host, LinkedIn, was so organized and on top of it. The room was good. The food was good. We had 110 people show up and a lot of exciting discussion. None of this could be possible without your help. Let me re-iterate what I said in my introduction: Do you need to be a world famous programmer to.... ... help us find the meeting room? ... stand by the door / let in those late comers? ... introduce speakers from the front of the room? ... help us find speakers? ... be a co-organizer? No. In fact, you don't have to even be a famous programmer.. Nor, even a programmer yet. You want to be part of the community and want to contribute, we thank you for your help. We want to help you become a better programmer... and we appreciate the help along the way. Kindest Regards, Glen Jarvis P.S. BAyPIGgies vetrans. Please be gentle and nice with our volunteers (and each other). Some have been in the community a long time. Some are brand new to the group and are still learning. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glen at glenjarvis.com Sat Jan 30 20:33:18 2016 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 17:33:18 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] [Organizers][Org List] We need an "honest broker" for the list of organizers Message-ID: Could one or two of you step up to be an "honest broker" for keeping track of the list of organizers? Since we don't have a different email list for organizers (it is all in the main thread so the conversation is transparent and centralized), it is not obvious who is currently willing to be a volunteer and who isn't. What does an "honest broker" mean? Here is an explanation from "producing open source software" by Karl Fogel (ISBN: 0-596-00759-0): On page 92, there is a section titled "When Consensus Cannot be Reached, Vote." An "honest broker" is defined there (although for a different context): > Inevitably, some debates just won't reach a consensus. When all > other means of breaking a deadlock fail, the solution is to vote. > But, before a vote can be taken, there must be a clear set of > choices on the ballot. Here, again, the normal process of > technical discussion blends serendipitously with the > project's decision-making procedures. The kinds of questions > that come to a vote often involve complex, multifaceted issues. > In any such complex discussion, there are usually one or two > people playing the role of honest broker: Posting periodic > summaries of the various arguments and keeping track of where > the core points of disagreement (and agreement) lie. These > summaries help everyone measure how much progress has > been made, and remind everyone of what issues remain to be > addressed. Those same summaries can serve as prototypes for > a ballot sheet, should a vote become necessary. If the honest > brokers have been doing their jobs well, they will be able to > credibly call for a vote when the time comes, and the group > will be willing to use a ballot sheet based on their summary of > the issues. The brokers themselves may be participants in the > debate; it is not necessary for them to remain above the fray, > as long as they can understand and fairly represent others' > views, and not let their partisan sentiments prevent them from > summarizing the state of the debate in a neutral fashion. What would an "honest broker" do for this list? They would keep track of who on the list says "I can't be a volunteer right, can you remove me?" or someone who says "I have some free time, may I volunteer?" The "honest broker" would periodically post the summary of volunteers on the list like I am going to do below. If we use this subject prefix, then we can easily find the last update: "[Baypiggies][Organizers][Org List] ." Other updates may be who wants to change email addresses listed, etc. If you want to be removed from this list (I may have added some meeting space only volunteers by mistake), please respond to this thread and we'll update. Here is the list as I know it (I don't have Paula's email address). I sorted by last name alphabetically: James Abel Blythe Cairnes Jeff Fischer Mo Gillies [Classes on Thursdays] Matt Hite Glen Jarvis Brian Jones Paula Kash Guy Klages [Speaker trainer / preview volunteer] Sarah K. Ralf Pieper Grant Ridder Vyas Sathya Tom Tang Vicky Tuite -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll follow up with Bill on getting the website updated. Regards, Jeff On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Glen Jarvis wrote: > Jeff, > > Thank you, for running with February! You should feel empowered to be > complete organizer for February. > > The only real big thing that I know that we need to do right now is update > the http://baypiggies.net/ website. This start time will be 7pm (instead > of our rare 7:30 in January). Bill Deegan can assist > you with that. > > If you need help let me know. > > > Cheers, > > > Glen Jarvis > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It was a pretty exciting time and was fun chatting back and forth with the changes that we kept making. Could you add Bill to the organizer list? [And, while you're at it, add yourself :) ] Do you mind also keeping track of a quick summary of roles/interest when necessary. For example, if someone was running with being the March organizer. They may think "Oh, we need to update the http://baypiggies.net/ website." But, without the recent list they may not remember who to talk to to help make that happen. So having Bill's name on the list with a description of what he does updating the website will help. Does that make sense? Thank you! :) Cheers, Glen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He did it quickly and never complained. > It was a pretty exciting time and was fun chatting back and forth with the > changes that we kept making. > > Could you add Bill to the organizer list? [And, while you're at it, add > yourself :) ] > Added Bill and myself. > > Do you mind also keeping track of a quick summary of roles/interest when > necessary. For example, if someone was running with being the March > organizer. They may think "Oh, we need to update the > http://baypiggies.net/ website." But, without the recent list they may > not remember who to talk to to help make that happen. So having Bill's name > on the list with a description of what he does updating the website will > help. Does that make sense? > Done. -- H > > Thank you! :) > > > Cheers, > > > Glen > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- OpenPGP: https://hasan.d8u.us/gpg.key Sent from my mobile device Envoy? de mon portable -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glen at glenjarvis.com Sun Jan 31 10:39:10 2016 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 07:39:10 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] [Organizers][Jan16] How did we do? Message-ID: So, January 2016 BAyPIGgies meeting is done. How did we do? Do you think there's something that we can learn from our experience? Is there something that we could have done better? This is an open discussion - so answer however you wish. This is a chance to learn from things that we did right and from our mistakes. Please give honest feedback. But, please be aware of our feelings -- we're all human and are volunteering for this. Tone is as important as content -- especially when giving public feedback. Cheers, Glen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bdbaddog at gmail.com Sun Jan 31 12:57:20 2016 From: bdbaddog at gmail.com (William Deegan) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 09:57:20 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] [Organizers][Org List] We need an "honest broker" for the list of organizers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you like I can also manage updates to the meetup (since generally they have the same content). -Bill On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 7:38 AM, Hasan Diwan wrote: > Glen, > > On 31 January 2016 at 07:20, Glen Jarvis wrote: > >> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Hasan Diwan >> wrote: >> >>> I could track these individuals and update the larger list. Let me >>> know.. -- H >>> >> >> I messed up :( >> > >> There is someone who has done so much work for our January MeetUp (and >> for BAyPIGgies in general). He's been part of the community for as long as >> I can remember. And, I completely didn't put him on our list and formally >> thank him :(. >> >> Bill Deegan is the person who maintains our >> http://baypiggies.net/ website. I swear I asked Bill to help me update >> the site every day (sometimes twice or more per day) when we were ramping >> up and getting ready for January. He did it quickly and never complained. >> It was a pretty exciting time and was fun chatting back and forth with the >> changes that we kept making. >> >> Could you add Bill to the organizer list? [And, while you're at it, add >> yourself :) ] >> > > Added Bill and myself. > >> >> Do you mind also keeping track of a quick summary of roles/interest when >> necessary. For example, if someone was running with being the March >> organizer. They may think "Oh, we need to update the >> http://baypiggies.net/ website." But, without the recent list they may >> not remember who to talk to to help make that happen. So having Bill's name >> on the list with a description of what he does updating the website will >> help. Does that make sense? >> > > Done. -- H > >> >> Thank you! :) >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> Glen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > > > > -- > OpenPGP: https://hasan.d8u.us/gpg.key > Sent from my mobile device > Envoy? de mon portable > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hasan.diwan at gmail.com Sun Jan 31 13:18:28 2016 From: hasan.diwan at gmail.com (Hasan Diwan) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 10:18:28 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] [Organizers][Org List] We need an "honest broker" for the list of organizers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: William, Either way is fine with me. Perhaps I could learn to do so over time? Thanks! -- H On 31 January 2016 at 09:57, William Deegan wrote: > If you like I can also manage updates to the meetup (since generally they > have the same content). > > -Bill > > On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 7:38 AM, Hasan Diwan > wrote: > >> Glen, >> >> On 31 January 2016 at 07:20, Glen Jarvis wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Hasan Diwan >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I could track these individuals and update the larger list. Let me >>>> know.. -- H >>>> >>> >>> I messed up :( >>> >> >>> There is someone who has done so much work for our January MeetUp (and >>> for BAyPIGgies in general). He's been part of the community for as long as >>> I can remember. And, I completely didn't put him on our list and formally >>> thank him :(. >>> >>> Bill Deegan is the person who maintains our >>> http://baypiggies.net/ website. I swear I asked Bill to help me update >>> the site every day (sometimes twice or more per day) when we were ramping >>> up and getting ready for January. He did it quickly and never complained. >>> It was a pretty exciting time and was fun chatting back and forth with the >>> changes that we kept making. >>> >>> Could you add Bill to the organizer list? [And, while you're at it, add >>> yourself :) ] >>> >> >> Added Bill and myself. >> >>> >>> Do you mind also keeping track of a quick summary of roles/interest when >>> necessary. For example, if someone was running with being the March >>> organizer. They may think "Oh, we need to update the >>> http://baypiggies.net/ website." But, without the recent list they may >>> not remember who to talk to to help make that happen. So having Bill's name >>> on the list with a description of what he does updating the website will >>> help. Does that make sense? >>> >> >> Done. -- H >> >>> >>> Thank you! :) >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> >>> Glen >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Baypiggies mailing list >>> Baypiggies at python.org >>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> OpenPGP: https://hasan.d8u.us/gpg.key >> Sent from my mobile device >> Envoy? de mon portable >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > > -- OpenPGP: http://hasan.d8u.us/gpg.asc Sent from my mobile device Envoy? de mon portable -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From berndca at gmail.com Sun Jan 31 21:05:32 2016 From: berndca at gmail.com (Bernd) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 18:05:32 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pyvideo.org is going away this year :( In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have created a simple directory of python related videos on YouTube: https://pythonvideos.berndmeyer.com/ There are 2048 videos. It has full text search for titles and drop down menus to select venues and years. The all table columns can be sorted. It's a simple single page app getting the data from a compressed json file (about 80kB). There are no videos to download, just links to the video on YouTube. I'm trying to figure out if there is any interest for an app like this. Please let me know what you think. Thanks, Bernd PS: This is of course just a prototype On Jan 31, 2016 7:19 AM, "Tony Cappellini" wrote: > http://bluesock.org/~willkg/blog/pyvideo/status_20160115.html > > Pyvideo.org is a very valuable resource, it's really a shame if does go > offline for good. > > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shortdudey123 at gmail.com Sun Jan 31 21:31:20 2016 From: shortdudey123 at gmail.com (Grant Ridder) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 18:31:20 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] [Organizers][Jan16] How did we do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Several thoughts Good - Audience was fairly engaged in the main talk - Over 100 people (considering rumors of group dying) Needs Improvement - Looking for job / hiring time was a bit rocky - Mic was used for questions starting half way though them Suggestions: - At the very beginning of the announcements, ask people to think about wanted a job or hiring so people are prepared when the time comes - Make sure people know to use the mic for questions (helps w/ quiet spoken people and recording) -Grant On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 7:39 AM, Glen Jarvis wrote: > So, January 2016 BAyPIGgies meeting is done. How did we do? Do you think > there's something that we can learn from our experience? Is there something > that we could have done better? > > This is an open discussion - so answer however you wish. This is a chance > to learn from things that we did right and from our mistakes. Please give > honest feedback. But, please be aware of our feelings -- we're all human > and are volunteering for this. Tone is as important as content -- > especially when giving public feedback. > > Cheers, > > > Glen > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dinaldo at gmail.com Sun Jan 31 21:34:09 2016 From: dinaldo at gmail.com (Don Sheu) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 18:34:09 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Pyvideo.org is going away this year :( In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks nice Bernd. Joel Stanner a PuPPy member here in Seattle has been streaming and recording our meetings. Here's a list of speakers and YouTube links: Brett Cannon, Larry Hastings, Alice Zheng, Brian Ray https://youtu.be/2XviXtxWKO8 Brandon Rhodes, Cris Ewing, Yusuke Tsutsumi https://youtu.be/bghG7zz8G2I Maksim Izmaylov, Nathan Florea https://youtu.be/ubYWSlSE8jQ Lars Lohn, Alex Lord Thorsen https://youtu.be/w3m2hk7hmCw ? On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Bernd wrote: > I have created a simple directory of python related videos on YouTube: > > https://pythonvideos.berndmeyer.com/ > > There are 2048 videos. It has full text search for titles and drop down > menus to select venues and years. The all table columns can be sorted. It's > a simple single page app getting the data from a compressed json file > (about 80kB). > > There are no videos to download, just links to the video on YouTube. > > I'm trying to figure out if there is any interest for an app like this. > > Please let me know what you think. > > Thanks, Bernd > > PS: This is of course just a prototype > On Jan 31, 2016 7:19 AM, "Tony Cappellini" wrote: > >> http://bluesock.org/~willkg/blog/pyvideo/status_20160115.html >> >> Pyvideo.org is a very valuable resource, it's really a shame if does go >> offline for good. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -- Don Sheu 312.880.9389 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - My Python user group in February meets at Dropbox *http://www.meetup.com/PSPPython/ * *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE*: *The information contained in this message may be protected trade secrets or protected by applicable intellectual property laws of the United States and International agreements. 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It has full text search for titles and drop down > menus to select venues and years. The all table columns can be sorted. It's > a simple single page app getting the data from a compressed json file > (about 80kB). > > There are no videos to download, just links to the video on YouTube. > > I'm trying to figure out if there is any interest for an app like this. > > Please let me know what you think. > > Thanks, Bernd > > PS: This is of course just a prototype > On Jan 31, 2016 7:19 AM, "Tony Cappellini" wrote: > >> http://bluesock.org/~willkg/blog/pyvideo/status_20160115.html >> >> Pyvideo.org is a very valuable resource, it's really a shame if does go >> offline for good. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Baypiggies mailing list >> Baypiggies at python.org >> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies >> > > _______________________________________________ > Baypiggies mailing list > Baypiggies at python.org > To change your subscription options or unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sarah.kuchinsky at gmail.com Sun Jan 31 21:50:09 2016 From: sarah.kuchinsky at gmail.com (Sarah Kuchinsky) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 18:50:09 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies Digest, Vol 123, Issue 54 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Agreed. I used PyVideo extensively while I was learning Python. I?d hate to see it disappear. What if we had a hackathon? Surely we have enough folks here to make it work. The main things I would concentrate on are: 1) Programmer fatigue (I think this is why Will gave up). Posting new videos should require minimal effort on the part of the maintainers. I suggest a process in which those submitting videos either fill out a form or submit a pull request. That way all the maintainer has to do is accept. 2) Switch search either to Google (I?m lazy) or, if anyone here is willing and capable, elasticsearch. 3) Make the site static. Not sure why this is important, but Will states in his post that it is. I?m going to believe him. Thoughts? Sarah > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 07:19:32 -0800 > From: Tony Cappellini > To: Baypiggies > Subject: [Baypiggies] Pyvideo.org is going away this year :( > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > http://bluesock.org/~willkg/blog/pyvideo/status_20160115.html > > Pyvideo.org is a very valuable resource, it's really a shame if does go > offline for good. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: From glen at glenjarvis.com Sun Jan 31 22:06:57 2016 From: glen at glenjarvis.com (Glen Jarvis) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 19:06:57 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] [Organizers][Jan16] How did we do? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great feedback! Thank you! G -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hasan.diwan at gmail.com Sun Jan 31 22:12:11 2016 From: hasan.diwan at gmail.com (Hasan Diwan) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 19:12:11 -0800 Subject: [Baypiggies] Baypiggies Digest, Vol 123, Issue 54 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sounds like a plan! I can come up with the videos for a search query and put them in a basic webpage pretty quickly: Youtube supports the OpenSearch specification, which is accessible through python using https://github.com/edsu/opensearch. print ''.format(youtube_url) That should be enough to get a basic site going. It won't be pretty, but someone else can handle the design. I'll have this more formally written up shortly on http://prolificprogrammer.com -- H On 31 January 2016 at 18:50, Sarah Kuchinsky wrote: > Agreed. I used PyVideo extensively while I was learning Python. I?d hate > to see it disappear. > > What if we had a hackathon? Surely we have enough folks here to make it > work. > > The main things I would concentrate on are: > > 1) Programmer fatigue (I think this is why Will gave up). Posting new > videos should require minimal effort on the part of the maintainers. I > suggest a process in which those submitting videos either fill out a form > or submit a pull request. That way all the maintainer has to do is accept. > > 2) Switch search either to Google (I?m lazy) or, if anyone here is willing > and capable, elasticsearch. > > 3) Make the site static. Not sure why this is important, but Will states > in his post that it is. 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