[Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups

Wed Jan 13 14:06:55 EST 2016

Hi Neil,

You don't need to know the person in order to vet them to give a
presentation.
I've done the majority of recruiting for presentations via email, LinkedIn
or walking up to a person and simply asking.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Neil Davenport <ndavenport at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi to all,
>
> If there's interest in having a meetup back at LinkedIn, I'd be happy to
> be the point of contact on the LI side and try to investigate the logistics
> over here.
>
> When it comes to finding speakers or great talks, I'm next to useless as I
> still don't know that many people in the Bay Area. Always happy to partner
> with someone if they have those connections.
>
> Kind regards,
> Neil
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Stephen <spmcinerney at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Guys,
>>
>> Contrary to these comments, the BayPIGgies Meetup *is* very much
>> associated
>> with  BayPIGgies. 300 of us had been happily using it for event
>> notification, calendaring,
>> RSVP and ridesharing, since ~2010.
>> When Suresh took over that Meetup, he took over the Meetup URL
>>  http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/ (which will generate lots of
>> confusion),
>> and also took over the member-list, 90% of whom have dropped off since.
>>
>> I believe we totally have the right to take back the BayPIGgies Meetup.
>> As I suggested, we simply need the previous owner to identify themselves,
>> show
>> Meetup the receipts, and state that it's our Meetup, and have an orderly
>> discussion
>> about venue and dues.
>> I believe that person was David A, I don't have his contact and I don't
>> have the receipts.
>> I privately tried to contact David A, Grace Law and Tony in the last 5
>> days about this.
>> I also spoke to David A about it on several occasions in 2015, as far
>> back as 3/2015.
>> I don't have his phone, email or last name - who does?
>>
>> I suggest we ask Meetup to request Suresh to return the $600 member dues
>> he
>> solicited by advertising it as "BayPIGgies Meetup", minus anything he
>> spent
>> on Meetup registration and HackerDojo room fees, although we had a free
>> location
>> at LinkedIn anyway.
>> Suresh is totally free to establish a new for-profit Meetup which does
>> not have
>> the URL http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/.
>> If there is actually a real problem with BayPIGgies losing LinkedIn as a
>> venue,
>> and needing a new venue, this is the first most of us have heard of it,
>> and
>> I'm happy to help find one (I previously spoke in 2015 with both LinkedIn
>> Data Science,
>> and H2O, about venues). In any case, HackerDojo will most likely cease
>> to exist at Ellis St in 5/2015.
>>
>> Tony's email was totally incorrect and offensive, I had multiple private
>> conversations
>> with David A throughout 2015 about whether he wanted a new organizer,
>> and I never
>> heard from him. I had a 4-hour conversation with David back around March
>> 2015.
>>
>> As to contacting Meetup if this is an unapproved organizer change, it's
>> quite standard:
>>
>> http://www.discussmeetup.com/forum/general-questions-how-tos-tips-tricks/lost-my-meetup-group-due-to-an-expired-credit-card/
>>
>> Tony: as to what I've done for BayPIGgies:
>> - I helped source corporate sponsorship for the 12/2015 SFPython Holiday
>> Party, which
>>   Grace Law can confirm. I spent quite some time on that.
>> - I did both previously speak at BayPIGgies and organize other past
>> speakers [1].
>> - In 4/2013 I sourced a large corporate venue (CloudCamp's premises) for
>> post-PyCon
>> talk watching [2], totally free for 6+ hours, which was a BayPIGgies
>> event Glen and I
>> planned, but fell through. I tried to redo that for BayPIGgies in 2014,
>> but CloudCamp had moved premises.
>> - Since 2014, I have been volunteering with the committee of SF Bay ACM,
>> for their Data Science Camp unconference, and helped run and source
>> speakers for
>> Data Science Camp 2014 and 2015 [3] and am again helping organize Data
>> Science Camp 2016.
>> I am also organizing a seminar on Spark with Scala through ACM, probably
>> March-April [4].
>> - Also John Park and I led a couple of Kaggle Together data science
>> classes at HackerDojo in 2014 [5]
>> - Glen, Grace and the other organizations mentioned above can confirm
>> that I did these things.
>> Noone's thanked me for it.
>>
>> Tony, you owe me a major apology for that email you sent. I even phoned
>> both you and
>> Grace Law in the last couple days to try to figure out what was going on
>> with
>> BayPIGgies; I didn't even get a response from you to my voicemail.
>>
>> [1] https://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/2009-January/004253.html
>> [2] http://www.meetup.com/silicon-valley-python/messages/51831412/
>> [3] http://www.sfbayacm.org/event/silicon-valley-data-science-camp-2015
>> [4] http://www.sfbayacm.org/calendar
>> [5] http://events.hackerdojo.com/event/6716996662067200-kaggle-together
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 08:01:27 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups
>> From: bdbaddog at gmail.com
>> To: spmcinerney at hotmail.com
>> CC: martin at falatic.com; baypiggies at python.org
>>
>>
>> I'm the baypiggies.net site admin.
>>
>> Did you want to put up a statement about the meetup not being associated?
>> Perhaps we should reach out to meetup.com?
>>
>> -Bill
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 5:04 AM, Stephen <spmcinerney at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I was about to post about this mystery too:
>> - I guess all the Meetup organizers became inactive sometime December,
>>   and David A quietly stepped down without publicizing it, then the
>> Meetup had no owner,
>> and could be taken over by anyone.
>> - Suresh V took over the Meetup group, charged a $20 fee per person per
>> year, (which means he just made $600 off other people's community work,
>> without permission), changed the Meetup name to "Bay Area Python 3.x
>> Indulgence Group" (http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/), unilaterally
>> changed the venue, dates etc. (Actually he initially tried to charge
>> $5/person/month dues, which would have been $60/person/year, to all
>> 300 members.)
>> - I'm not sure he's even allowed to do that and probably he should give
>> the BayPIGgies Meetup organizer position back (he's welcome to start his
>> own totally separate for-profit Python Meetup, but not use the BayPIGgies
>> name, and he should probably also refund all the $600 he obtained by
>> using the BayPIGgies name without any permission)
>> - does anyone have a contact for David A, the old organizer? I checked
>> and I don't.
>>   I don't even know the spelling of his last name otherwise I'd have
>> reached him in December.
>>   We need to redistribute his organizer duties in a coordinated way.
>> (Thanks David for the hard work.)
>> - meanwhile who are the owners of this BayPIGgies mailing-list and
>> www.baypiggies.net site admin
>>   and domain name owner?
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>> > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 18:10:43 -0800
>> > From: martin at falatic.com
>> > To: baypiggies at python.org
>> > Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups
>>
>> >
>> > So I recently got an email saying I needed to pay $20 to stay in the
>> > BayPIGgies Meetup group. Figuring it's been good so far and not knowing
>> > things had significantly changed I paid it. Now I see that every
>> upcoming
>> > Meetup has a fee attached to it as well (and they're no longer at
>> LinkedIn
>> > and they're on odd days of the week - e.g., Saturday).
>> >
>> > And since when did the acronym change? Is the Meetup group not related
>> to
>> > http://www.baypiggies.net/ and this mailing list now?
>> >
>> > What's going on?
>> >
>> > - Marty
>> >
>> >
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