[Baypiggies] Job "trial day"?

Shannon -jj Behrens jjinux at gmail.com
Sat Oct 22 01:13:10 EDT 2016


Expecting people to write real code for free in the promise of a job is
indeed a horrible practice.

However, using real working conditions (collaboratively working with
friendly co-workers) as a way of judging a candidate instead of forcing
them to solve problems all day on a whiteboard seems like it could
potentially be a better way of interviewing.

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016, 8:20 PM seth f <sfseth at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm opposed to sloppy hiring practices and expectation of free labor.  I
> have no issue with an employer taking someone on with pay for short term to
> evaluate fit.    I apologize if I sounded disparaging in some overly broad
> way.   I have seen employers ask candidates (me for example) significant
> tasks and they wanted rights without compensation.   That's my only issue.
>  ~s
>
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Hasan Diwan <hasan.diwan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Seth,
> I'm not sure what you're opposed to -- I was compensated for my time by
> the company, in addition to the salary I commanded as part of the company.
> -- H
>
> On 21 Oct 2016 8:09 p.m., "seth f" <sfseth at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I don't think this practice is reasonable, nor do I think a "coding
> challenge" is reasonable if the hiring company wants to retain rights to
> the code that is produced.
> >
> > If a hiring organization can't figure out whether or not they want you
> on the team from phone calls and in-person interviews, I say they're not
> working hard enough on figuring out how to interview candidates.  If I do
> work that shows what I can do, that's not suddenly their property.
> >
> > If one assumes that there is a huge variety of technologies we might
> have experience with and what employers happen to have chosen, be it
> Docker, Xen, Vmware, Jenkins/Hudson, Salt, Ansible, Puppet, chef, CFengine,
> fabric, ... I haven't even gotten into databases or OS's yet...  how is
> this practice any different from treating a candidate pool as a freebie
> tutoring session?   I mean I'm happy to talk about this stuff, but if it
> occupies time where i'd otherwise be interviewing, and they're asking me to
> do it for free, it seems like a pretty clear exploit to me.
> >
> > ~seth
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 7:19 PM, Hasan Diwan <hasan.diwan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I remember when I interviewed for a company, did a quiz, didn't get the
> job, but was compensated for my time. Not sure what the company was off the
> top of my head. -- H
> >>
> >>
> >> On 21 Oct 2016 2:56 p.m., "Anna Ravenscroft" <annaraven at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> So, this company I interviewed with wants to set up an 8 hour "trial
> day". Has anyone had one of these? What's your experience? And are they
> usually paid or unpaid? They haven't mentioned either way yet and I'm
> curious to get some your input before I go further with it.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance. Feel free to email me offlist.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> cordially,
> >>> Anna
> >>>
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