[Baypiggies] Job "trial day"?

[wescpy at gmail.com]

Pretty sure these aren't paid either. It's like a follow-up on-site 8-hour
interview in a slightly different form factor. However, this concept is new
to me... first time I've ever heard of such a thing.

Cheers,
-Wesley

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On Oct 22, 2016 10:47 AM, "Eric Walstad" <eric at ericwalstad.com> wrote:

> I recently had to look for a job - the first time I had to go to
> interviews in over 20 years, so it was an as-new and kind of scary
> experience for me. I didn't do any full-days of work but I did spend some
> time pair-programming during the interview. That was actually a nice
> experience because I'm more comfortable writing code than I am talking
> about myself. I think being able to spend a day with potential coworkers
> would be awesome. A new job is like any new long-term relationship and
> spending a day with them before signing on is good for both parties. I
> don't see it as free labor (few people's first day at a new job would be
> net profitable for the employer) as much as it is a way for both sides to
> see if the relationship feels worth pursuing.
>
> Eric
>
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Expecting people to write real code for free in the promise of a job is
>> indeed a horrible practice.
>>
>> However, using real working conditions (collaboratively working with
>> friendly co-workers) as a way of judging a candidate instead of forcing
>> them to solve problems all day on a whiteboard seems like it could
>> potentially be a better way of interviewing.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016, 8:20 PM seth f <sfseth at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm opposed to sloppy hiring practices and expectation of free labor.  I
>>> have no issue with an employer taking someone on with pay for short term to
>>> evaluate fit.    I apologize if I sounded disparaging in some overly broad
>>> way.   I have seen employers ask candidates (me for example) significant
>>> tasks and they wanted rights without compensation.   That's my only issue.
>>>  ~s
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Hasan Diwan <hasan.diwan at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Seth,
>>> I'm not sure what you're opposed to -- I was compensated for my time by
>>> the company, in addition to the salary I commanded as part of the company.
>>> -- H
>>>
>>> On 21 Oct 2016 8:09 p.m., "seth f" <sfseth at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I don't think this practice is reasonable, nor do I think a "coding
>>> challenge" is reasonable if the hiring company wants to retain rights to
>>> the code that is produced.
>>> >
>>> > If a hiring organization can't figure out whether or not they want you
>>> on the team from phone calls and in-person interviews, I say they're not
>>> working hard enough on figuring out how to interview candidates.  If I do
>>> work that shows what I can do, that's not suddenly their property.
>>> >
>>> > If one assumes that there is a huge variety of technologies we might
>>> have experience with and what employers happen to have chosen, be it
>>> Docker, Xen, Vmware, Jenkins/Hudson, Salt, Ansible, Puppet, chef, CFengine,
>>> fabric, ... I haven't even gotten into databases or OS's yet...  how is
>>> this practice any different from treating a candidate pool as a freebie
>>> tutoring session?   I mean I'm happy to talk about this stuff, but if it
>>> occupies time where i'd otherwise be interviewing, and they're asking me to
>>> do it for free, it seems like a pretty clear exploit to me.
>>> >
>>> > ~seth
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 7:19 PM, Hasan Diwan <hasan.diwan at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I remember when I interviewed for a company, did a quiz, didn't get
>>> the job, but was compensated for my time. Not sure what the company was off
>>> the top of my head. -- H
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 21 Oct 2016 2:56 p.m., "Anna Ravenscroft" <annaraven at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> So, this company I interviewed with wants to set up an 8 hour "trial
>>> day". Has anyone had one of these? What's your experience? And are they
>>> usually paid or unpaid? They haven't mentioned either way yet and I'm
>>> curious to get some your input before I go further with it.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thanks in advance. Feel free to email me offlist.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> cordially,
>>> >>> Anna
>>> >>>
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