From k_vertigo@yahoo.com Mon Feb 25 22:55:16 2002 From: k_vertigo@yahoo.com (Kapil Thangavelu) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:55:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Catalog-sig] python repository Message-ID: <20020225225516.17340.qmail@web11606.mail.yahoo.com> hi folks, the code for the zope based python repository i've been working on is available for download @ http://www.zope.org/Members/k_vertigo/Products/Gideon docs (very outdated since they refer to an openacs implementation, but semantically are aligned). http://www.zope.org/Members/k_vertigo/Stories/Gideon its distributed as a single large python product. installation requires zope2.5. installation consists of untaring it a zope lib/python/Products directory and restarting zope. after that go to the zope management interfaces and add an instance of the Python Repository. its very much raw and has lots of missing functionality and the ui bites, as well. but i wanted to make it available for people to see and to garner feedback, and see what the developer interest is like. and also because i'm currently lacking in motivation, which releasing will help with it, and could also use a proverbial kick in the rear from this sig :) there is also a relational schema leftover from my work on doing the repository in postgres and aolserver+pywx if in anyone is interested. i'll setup a public site with the repository code running and email the sig, with it soon. i'm currently maintaining the code in a local cvs, if there is some developer interest, i'll transfer it to a sourceforge project. cheers kapil thangavelu __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com From k_vertigo@yahoo.com Tue Feb 26 22:58:49 2002 From: k_vertigo@yahoo.com (Kapil Thangavelu) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:58:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Catalog-sig] python repository In-Reply-To: <3C7B0881.8080101@shinners.org> Message-ID: <20020226225849.32461.qmail@web11607.mail.yahoo.com> --- Pete Shinners <pete@shinners.org> wrote: > Kapil Thangavelu wrote: > > the code for the zope based python repository i've > > been working on is available for download @ > > nice. i was browsing through some of the site, looks > like you've got a > good plan on your hands. is there a version running > online somewhere > where people could try interacting with it (or is it > not that far along). i've put up a version at http://66.123.57.58:8080 its very raw, some of the ui might be broken (besides being ugly:), and some of the ui doesn't expose the functionality already present. i've setup up a bug/feature tracker at http://www.zope.org/Members/k_vertigo/Stories/Gideon/Tracker > sorry if this is obviously answered by looking at > the source. i didn't > get into it as i've never done any zope stuff, nor > have any zope server > to really try it out on. i've tried to make it a little friendlier for python developers by insuring that all the code resides on the filesystem. cheers kapil __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com From paul@prescod.net Wed Feb 27 00:37:52 2002 From: paul@prescod.net (Paul Prescod) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:37:52 -0800 Subject: [Catalog-sig] python repository References: <20020226225849.32461.qmail@web11607.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3C7C2A60.F2BE4F28@prescod.net> Kapil Thangavelu wrote: > Looks great! Good work. My only backseat driver suggestion is to get it live sooner rather than later. CPAN is a massive hack and also Perl's killer feature at the same time. As I'm sure you know, the Python world's biggest flaw is waiting for things to be perfect before deploying. I'm not accusing you of this because I haven't been following closely enough to know...I'm just making a random observation. Paul Prescod From tim_one@email.msn.com Wed Feb 27 01:17:59 2002 From: tim_one@email.msn.com (Tim Peters) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:17:59 -0500 Subject: [Catalog-sig] python repository In-Reply-To: <3C7C2A60.F2BE4F28@prescod.net> Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCIEKGNPAA.tim_one@email.msn.com> [Paul Prescod] > ... > As I'm sure you know, the Python world's biggest flaw is waiting > for things to be perfect before deploying. Na, that's the Scheme world's biggest flaw. thanking-god-the-python-world-is-flawless-ly y'rs - tim From martin@v.loewis.de Wed Feb 27 08:36:55 2002 From: martin@v.loewis.de (Martin v. Loewis) Date: 27 Feb 2002 09:36:55 +0100 Subject: [Catalog-sig] python repository In-Reply-To: <3C7C2A60.F2BE4F28@prescod.net> References: <20020226225849.32461.qmail@web11607.mail.yahoo.com> <3C7C2A60.F2BE4F28@prescod.net> Message-ID: <m3sn7n2ue0.fsf@mira.informatik.hu-berlin.de> Paul Prescod <paul@prescod.net> writes: > My only backseat driver suggestion is to get it live sooner rather than > later. For me, this is is "live enough" for the moment. I'd really encourage anybody to use this installation as if it already was perfect. It may be that the entire database must be rebuild at some point, if some serious flaw is found, but that won't be found unless people use it for real. Having a domain name associated to it would be good. How does "gideon.python.org" sound to you? (not sure who's managing the python.org DNS at the moment, but we can figure that out) Regards, Martin From k_vertigo@yahoo.com Wed Feb 27 16:57:23 2002 From: k_vertigo@yahoo.com (kapil thangavelu) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:57:23 -0800 Subject: [Catalog-sig] python repository In-Reply-To: <3C7C2A60.F2BE4F28@prescod.net> References: <20020226225849.32461.qmail@web11607.mail.yahoo.com> <3C7C2A60.F2BE4F28@prescod.net> Message-ID: <200202272343.g1RNhQ7158398@pimout3-int.prodigy.net> On Tuesday 26 February 2002 04:37 pm, you wrote: > Kapil Thangavelu wrote: > > > Looks great! Good work. > > My only backseat driver suggestion is to get it live sooner rather than > later. CPAN is a massive hack and also Perl's killer feature at the same > time. As I'm sure you know, the Python world's biggest flaw is waiting > for things to be perfect before deploying. I'm not accusing you of this > because I haven't been following closely enough to know...I'm just > making a random observation. hi paul, i'm all for releasing it as soon as its ready, buts it not ready yet. the biggest things before its useable i think are, the Package handling needs some work (specifically the dependency info, hooking up the parsers for the alternative metadata formats, taking md5 snapshots, storing distribution files on the fs), defining the security model (which is currently off/non-existent), getting a better look and feel, and making the cookie based authentication more secure. most everything else can be added to a running installation. regarding look and feel, i've been in contact with a designer (the guy who did the css/html for http://plone.org and http://moz.zope.org) who's agreed to help out. thanks kapil From k_vertigo@yahoo.com Wed Feb 27 17:36:55 2002 From: k_vertigo@yahoo.com (kapil thangavelu) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:36:55 -0800 Subject: [Catalog-sig] python repository In-Reply-To: <m3sn7n2ue0.fsf@mira.informatik.hu-berlin.de> References: <20020226225849.32461.qmail@web11607.mail.yahoo.com> <3C7C2A60.F2BE4F28@prescod.net> <m3sn7n2ue0.fsf@mira.informatik.hu-berlin.de> Message-ID: <200202280023.g1S0Mxc29514@pimout5-int.prodigy.net> On Wednesday 27 February 2002 12:36 am, Martin v. Loewis wrote: > Paul Prescod <paul@prescod.net> writes: > > My only backseat driver suggestion is to get it live sooner rather than > > later. > > For me, this is is "live enough" for the moment. I'd really encourage > anybody to use this installation as if it already was perfect. EEK. > It may > be that the entire database must be rebuild at some point, if some > serious flaw is found, but that won't be found unless people use it > for real. true. but there are serious flaws in it right now, imo. also, since the security model is turned off anonymous people can post packages or approve them, making the audit trails fairly useless. i don't mind trying to keep the packages updated through development but i'm fairly nervous about transfering them to production database when the site goes live. > Having a domain name associated to it would be good. How does > "gideon.python.org" sound to you? (not sure who's managing the > python.org DNS at the moment, but we can figure that out) sounds great. for the momen the box can also be reached via http://moz.zope.org:8080 and last year when i was a bit more optimistic about time lines i purchased the python-repository.net domain (currently pointing to the wiki). thanks kapil