[Catalog-sig] Prototype setuptools-specific PyPI index.
jim at zope.com
Sun Jul 22 18:38:09 CEST 2007
On Jul 22, 2007, at 12:24 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
>>> If people do misspell a package name when invoking easy_install,
>>> they get the feature that you consider of no value.
>> That is not correct. Not all packages are in PyPI. Using a
>> package that
>> isn't in PyPI will trigger a fetch of that page.
> I don't understand. What page is fetched if the package is not in
We have lots of packages that aren't in PyPI. Some of them aren't
ready for PyPI or are not of general interest. Some are proprietary.
>> It isn't misspelled,
>> it's just not there. People should *not* misspell pages when using
>> setuptools. They should certainly not use misspelled package
>> names in
>> requirements. In my strongly help opinion, allowing imprecise
>> names in
>> requirements and setuptools command if of negative value.
> I cannot comment on. I don't use setuptools, and have no intuition
> is good or bad when using it (for example, I consider .egg files and
> the notion of eggs inherently bad).
> My main motivation to provide that page is that the setuptools
> specification says it should be there. As this entire infrastructure
> is for the sake of setuptools, I find it pointless to not support
> setuptools fully.
Fair enough. Theory beats practicality every time. ;)
>> I'd be happy to contribute my polling version. That solves my
>> and I can't justify the additional effort to figure out the
> I'd like to hear other opinions here.
Yes. This has been a fairly limited discussion. Sigh.
> Would people prefer if the index
> was always correct (and perhaps somewhat slow), or would they prefer
> instead that it is super-efficient (and somewhat out-of-date)?
Where somewhat out of date could be a matter of seconds. IMO, a
python.org index could poll every few seconds, given that local
polling only takes a few milliseconds. I have a feeling that this
discussion is going to annoy someone with PyPI software knowledge
enough to add baking on write. :) For example, I had the impression
that Rene' was planning to invoke scripts after updates. It would be
easy to invoke my polling script or a script based on your work,
BTW, I'm pretty sure that geographic mirrors are desirable, both for
performance and redundancy reasons. I think that, for these, polling
once a minute is plenty and puts negligible load on PyPI, assuming
that there aren't hundreds of them.
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